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The ChatGPT revolution and other productivity hacks with Donna McGeorge · Smart Business Growth with Nicky Miklós

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Thrive in Business Together with Nikki and Ness.
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: We would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of country, the Yagura and Wurundjeri people of Brisbane and Melbourne respectively, where Nikki and I both work and live.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: Hello, beautiful people, I am so excited to introduce to you today's guest speaker, which is the one and only Donna MacGeorge.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Now, if you've listened to the last couple of episodes, ness and I really challenged this concept of time management tool is not what you need.
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: It's not about getting more time management tools to help create this space and more time, and we're thrilled to be able to bring you not just this episode but the next episode as well, as we turned it into a two-parter with Donna because she is an expert in this space.
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: Donna is all about challenging existing concepts of time management and productivity and she champions a new, more personalized approach.
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: Donna is also the author of 11 books and publications, including bestselling.
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: It's About Time series and her latest book, the ChatGPT Revolution, and, as you're about to find out in this episode, I am absolutely obsessed with these books.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: I have them on hand with me all the time and I've taken so much out of them in terms of how I can look at, view and work with my time instead of against my time.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: We talked about the best way to combat this myth of wasted time, which is all about living deliberately.
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: Donna is so passionate about empowering individuals, teams and organizations to be more purposeful and, in essence, that's what we really delve into today.
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  Speaker 1: So enjoy this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: It is part one of a two-part series and we would love to hear what you thought.
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: If you loved it, please give us a rate, give us a review, reach out to Nest, myself or Donna, and enjoy.
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: Hello, beautiful listeners, and hello, donna McJoy.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: Hi, donna.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, donna, it is super cool to have you here, live in the virtual studio, and I really want to pick your brain, because Nest and I are obsessed with helping business owners, as we know, get out of the busy trap, get time freedom back, and it's so aligned with the work that you do.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: We just recorded a couple of podcast episodes on the fact that a time management tool is not actually what we need and you yourself, donna, talk about in your book.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, let me just one moment for those YouTubers.
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: Hello, through my favorite books.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: If you're listening, I'm holding up through my favorite books that Donna McGeorge has written, and we will put them in the links in the show notes, of course.
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: So, donna, your mission is to give people back time for the most important things in their world, and yet it is so hard for busy business owners to either start to create the change and by that I mean find the space, the pause, the time to actually implement some of the things that we talk about or they might start to create the change, but it's really damn hard to make it stick First up.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: Why is it so hard?
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  Speaker 1: What's the barrier in the block for busy business owners' people to start or make it stick?
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  Speaker 3: Well, if we're talking about just making space for themselves, like just let's just use it as an example just protecting some time for themselves, because the world is designed against that.
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: We live in this hustle culture.
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  Speaker 3: We have everyone say we've got to be doing something all the time, otherwise it's wasted time, any downtime is wasted time and for the moment you begin to try and find time for yourself and create the pause or create some gaps for yourself.
• 3:53
  Speaker 3: So it's like the world comes at you and says wait, what are you doing that for?
• 3:57
  Speaker 3: That's the first thing.
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  Speaker 3: The second thing is habits are hard to break.
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: So if you've been in the habit of doing something a certain way, well it counts how to break a habit.
• 4:08
  Speaker 3: You've got to consciously work on it and it makes your brain hurt a little bit and your body, depending on what the habit is.
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  Speaker 3: But it does make your brain hurt because you've got to work a bit harder.
• 4:18
  Speaker 3: You've got to be conscious of it and in that early phase, if you will, of setting yourself up with a new way of working, whatever that is, it's hard and so when things are hard, you're going to have to work hard.
• 4:29
  Speaker 3: People bail because and they find all sorts of good, legitimate reasons to do that.
• 4:35
  Speaker 3: Like my life's busy, I've got kids, all this stuff, because it just gets a bit hard.
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  Speaker 3: But but the people who are listening right now who push through you get to the other side.
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  Speaker 3: For it to be easy, there is a little kind of hill you have to overcome.
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  Speaker 3: Once you get over the hill, you're away.
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  Speaker 3: It's just now.
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  Speaker 3: The theory says it's 21 days.
• 4:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true.
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  Speaker 3: I'm safe.
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  Speaker 3: Keep going till it's not hard.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Similar.
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  Speaker 2: Thing so I know for some things it'll be 21 days, for others yeah just depends, and I think there's so many different time frames that you hear and You've.
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: You've prompted me to remember reading one of the my most favorite books around habits, and that's the atomic habits by James clear.
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  Speaker 2: I'm even on his weekly email list.
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: It's a great refresher and a reminder that there actually is a science behind it, that you can't have an expectation that you will make a decision with lots of motivation today to do something differently, and that motivation is going to see you through, because that's why people set new Z resolutions and then by the middle of January they're out the window, right, because, well, that's it.
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: The motivation is high and then it drops the motivation is high and if we're relying on willpower, we're a bit stuck, because what we do know is willpower has a direct relationship to decision fatigue.
• 5:51
  Speaker 3: So if I'm trying to have the willpower to take some time or go to the gym or eat better or whatever it is, and I just have a kind of day where I'm flat out busy all the time and I'm in meetings and I'm making powerful decisions, which most leaders and business owners are doing, they're in the business of Making decisions.
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: By the time you're trying to use your willpower to do the thing, if just run out of gas, right, and that's another.
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  Speaker 3: So I wish I you know, of all the time management books, I wish I'd written a comic habit.
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  Speaker 3: It's an awesome book and I don't have many newsletters in my inbox, but that's one I look at every single time if it's always useful, and so I won't go into the science of habits right now.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to suggest go get the book.
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  Speaker 3: You'll never regret that, but it does talk about all the conditions you need to set you up For the most possible success with making or breaking habit which actually lends, lends me to the next question, which is around you know, what do we do to make it stick?
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: I really love what you're saying they're done or around Wasted time.
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: So we've had so many conversations just not on this podcast, but with our clients, with ourselves, looking at each other, around that pause, that space, that pulling back, and it does feel like wasted time and it's such an important piece of insight there that the world is almost Skewed to will set this sort of goal or focus, but the world is skewed to go.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Here's, or here's all the reasons why I don't, and it could even be those feelings of guilt around that wasted time.
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  Speaker 1: And it is hard.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just own it.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard, people.
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  Speaker 1: So be kind to yourself.
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  Speaker 1: That's really really important as well.
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: Are you stuck in the busy trap or on juggle street, being all things to all people despite having a team?
• 7:33
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• 7:36
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  Speaker 1: Email us at hello, at business togethercomau, and we'll set up a time to chat.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: I want to just also touch quickly.
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: This is your latest book, the chat GPT revolution.
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  Speaker 1: Baby, honestly, I'm totally such a big fan as, as everybody can probably tell, I'm also holding the one-day refund and the first two hours and it's all about the in the.
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: It's about time series Um with chat GPT.
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  Speaker 1: After reading this, I actually walked away feeling that the because there's a lot of fear around AI, and.
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: But I walked away feeling like, if I choose, or if we choose it to be, so that AI can actually reverse some of the damage that's been caused from the industrial revolution here, uh, which you talked about hustle culture previously, you know, and we are all about all three of us breaking that hustle culture for ourselves and for you beautiful listeners as well.
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: So I walked away really having this sense of empowerment that, if I choose it to be, chat GPT or whatever the version is, can actually help reverse some of that damage.
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: And I would love to know what you're for those listeners that haven't yet read this book and please get your hands on it, and what do you think is kind of the biggest tip for people who maybe haven't explored, read your book or explored this place and linking it back to.
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: We're wanting to create new habits, we're wanting to make them stick.
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: That's another big question, donna, so let's just ask more.
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: Could?
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: you ask me a little teeny tiny question.
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: So if no one's used it before, first of all, why?
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: So?
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: Is it that you don't need to?
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: You don't have any, you know, thoughts about it or whatever, that's okay.
• 9:33
  Speaker 3: But those of you who might be, oh gee, I'm not sure, or I'm a bit nervous, or, you know, I've heard everything from I'm a purist and I don't want to, you know, ruin my world with AI in some way, or I might be fearful.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a whole dystopian future.
• 9:48
  Speaker 3: The robots are going to kill us all.
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: My suggestion is get in and just have a play.
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: But chat PPP is called chat PPP.
• 9:55
  Speaker 3: It is a chat bot, but on anything right now.
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: If you've had to do an insurance plan, if you've had to get some kind of help on any banking website, you've already had a conversation with a chat bot in some way, shape or put.
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: That's what they are.
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: But we're chat PPP.
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: It's different.
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: It's a chat bot about anything, anything.
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: And so I would say get into a conversation with it, and what I'll do is I will send you can put in the show notes a whole bunch of prompts for people to try around the various roles that can play in your professional and personal life.
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: So, for example, if you're in your professional life, if you're a small business owner, you may not have HR admin or an HR role.
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: How can it help you with HR?
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: And if you're at home, it can be.
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: You know how can you have your own personal meal planner and dietitian at your fingertips, right?
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: So I'll give you some prompts to play around with around that.
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: But the first thing is to get in and have a play, and that's what I did.
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: I protected time.
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: Given that I'm an authority on productivity, I thought I'd better check this thing out.
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: So I protected a couple of hours in my diary specifically to play with chat PPP back in, like when it first came out to them in January, so I could just get to know it.
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: The biggest mistake I see people make is they go and they have one go and they don't like the answer and they go oh, this is rubbish.
• 11:09
  Speaker 3: This chat PPP is rubbish.
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  Speaker 3: The nice thing is you can't hurt its feelings.
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: You can tell it's rubbish.
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: So you put a prompt in.
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: It gives you a rubbish response.
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: You say, oh, that was rubbish.
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: Now the interesting thing is rubbish in rubbish.
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: So what you do is you give it a bit more context and it'll give you a better answer.
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: So I it's very hard, that's very specific.
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: It's like go into a room and just be creative, like on what?
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: So I'd say you know what are you stuck with.
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: So is there an email that you've got to write and you're being stuck compote, like thinking about how you'd make it start with that?
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: Is there a proposal that you've got to do and you just haven't quite got the right words?
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: Are you revamping your website and you're stuck on rewriting the copies?
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: You know any kind of written form.
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: Just where are you stuck?
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: I think chat DPP is the great unsicker because it just gives you a start with whatever you're stuck with.
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: So what comes up for me is why was this not around when I started my first business?
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: Because if.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: I had have known all of that that you just said, those times of overthinking and procrastination may have been replaced with creativity that sparked by some ideas from somewhere else.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: Because one of the things that I noticed when I went into partnership with Nikki is when I was trying to do it all in my head it was really, really difficult and I kind of would bag myself out saying you're not very creative and not be nice.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: And then when I started working with Nikki and we started creating together, I realized actually just having someone to bounce off made me realize that what I do have creativity, I can come up with some great ideas.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: I have a lot to contribute.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: So I wonder whether the experience of If you're a solo business owner and you don't have a partner in crime, then could you use chat GPT as your friend to go.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to be creative about this, because you always start with something in your head right and you can put one sentence in to get that conversation.
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm kind of hearing from you, donna, that it could be a conversation you're having.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, it's not quite right.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: That's not quite what I was thinking.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: What about if you change the focus to this or something on those lines?
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: That's exactly it, right.
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: And the difference is if it's a real human sitting next to you and you say to them what do you think about this?
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: And they go blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and you say, oh, it's not really what I want, it's a risk.
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: You might have someone feeling that's right, so you can't hurt their feelings, so that's exactly it.
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: I use it as a thought partner.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: Now, just to be clear, it isn't terribly creative, but if you say to it give me a start on this, what are your thoughts about that?
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: I need five ideas to answer this question.
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: There'll be something in there that's faster.
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: And I call it Charlie because holy cow, chat GCC is a mouthful, so I've made a Charlie.
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: I think of Charlie as an eager intern with a hangover.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: So eager intern, anxious to please, wanting to serve you well, really keen to do the best possible job at N, but you've got to check its work a little bit.
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: So, like an eager intern, the way in which you would give it instructions, the way in which you would give context, give them context about a problem and then say now go away and research that for me You'll get a way better result if you've the more information you've given them.
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: You know, if it's a few minutes, an actual little eager intern.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: The results you get back will be directly related to how you prompt them and what information you've given.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: And Charlie's the same, and you have to check its work because sometimes it tells your lies.
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it tells your lies.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Right, maybe that's the hangover part.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: Eager with a hangover, so you better check it.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's such a cool analogy and you can really see how this can help legitimately save time.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Because even as we're talking through this, how much time I don't really want to say wasted, because we just talked about wasted but actually you spent stuck in the thinking, stuck in the oh, I just can't get started.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: What do I need to do to get started?
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: And, ness, as you said, we're so fortunate that we have each other, but even sometimes we're not available to each other because in meetings or whatever it might be.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: So I'm really I was embracing it before and I'm really embracing it even more.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: I've called her Kathy, chattie, kathy, so Jill's inspired that idea.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Kathy and I have fast becoming good friends and now I know her more because she's the inter eager intern the tongue over, so I really feel like I know her more intimately already.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: But this is the thing.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: This is such a valuable tool.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: So if we can move through that fear of the unknown or the uncertainty, we can actually choose to look at how can we embrace her.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: And I love thank you for writing that book and bringing this, because I think that's a real gift, and even the viewpoint of looking at it from a more proactive, I'm going to say optimistic rather than positive, but actually optimistic for what it can do to help us.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm jumping in here because we got so excited to continue the conversation so that we're able to bring you part two, that we didn't really get clear on.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: What is your one actionable action for today.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: So here's what we're going to do, your action from today.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things you could take an action, but the one thing that we'd love for you to do today Is actually set yourself maybe fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, thirty, if you can, an hour, that's great to start exploring Chat, gpt or some technology and I that can help you get time back.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: You know donna talks about the statistics of how much time it can help us free up, and we know that one of the challenges that you face is, of course, having more time.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Don is created a amazing resource that you can find in the show notes to help with this.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Pick one area and just explore.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Do a little bit of exploration with curiosity, my friends, To see how as we like to call it, kathy or charlie chat, gpt can help you in your business to get some of that time back.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: That's your action get curious Spend.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Spend a little bit of time looking at using the prompts and the resource that donna gave you to get some of that time back, and we look forward to seeing you for part two.
• 17:16
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• 17:17
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• 17:22
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