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Hope for Autism Parents: A Miracle Story · Witness the Wonder Christian Podcast: Supernatural Christian Testimonies, Miracles, and God Stories

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I would go in the basement to do laundry and I was crying and I
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like, I didn't want this for him.
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We were at our wit's hand. It was very difficult.
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He lied a lot. He was hiding things and he was
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full of guilt and shame and he didn't tell us and he was living
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a secret life. We were oblivious to it.
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What do you do when your child is struggling and nothing seems
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to be working? When you've tried everything,
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you've prayed, and you're still watching them go through
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something you can't fix? If you've ever felt that way,
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you're not alone. In this conversation, Josh and
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Shelly Hankins share what that looked like for them, from their
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son's healing to the way God met them in their hardest moments.
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This is going to encourage you if you've ever felt overwhelmed,
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unsure, or at your breaking point.
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Let's jump into the conversation.
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Your son has a healing story as well as parents.
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Yes, you know, what was it like to continue trusting God, you
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know, through that process? If you want to share a little
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bit about what your son was facing and how God turned that
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around. Sure.
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So our son had OCD and you know, I don't know what it started.
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I don't know if if it started when he was born, you know, on
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the spectrum, OCD, autism, ADHD, they're all, they're all in the
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spectrum. You know, everyone's narrow
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divergent now apparently you just the levels of it.
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And so he started displaying more extreme behaviors with OCD,
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like he couldn't touch metal doorknobs.
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You couldn't touch metal period. Like he would eat chips through
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his shirt, like you would hold the chips with his shirt.
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When he would wash his hands, he'd wash his hands once, and
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then a second time, and then a third time all the way to his
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elbows to the point where his hands were red and raw because
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he had to wash them every single time he touched something.
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He was. Wearing the gloves, yeah, so
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bad. Yeah.
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And when he touched things, we set things down.
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He had to set them down with both hands and he had to press
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it into place. If it wasn't perfect, you had to
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keep doing it over and over and over again.
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And if he kept failing, he'd he would like ride in place like he
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was being electrocuted or if he was possessed by a name he.
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Would just like and meltdown to the floor.
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It was nuts. Yeah, I'm not sure I would have
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demonstrated. That, Yeah.
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There you go. You're welcome.
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No, we were at our wit's end. And I mean, I would go in the
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basement to do laundry and I was crying and I like, I didn't want
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this for him. We had taken him to therapy and
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and they're like, hey, we think this is OCD.
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And I'm like, hey, I know. Well, no autism.
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Autism. Yeah, They say you have to go to
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a like a higher, you know, licensed Dr. to classify him as,
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diagnose him as autistic. And, and I started studying up
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about OCD and, and there's flare ups in your life and one of
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them's at 10 years old and that's how old he was.
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I was like how, why? How do you get a flare up of 10?
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Apparently hormones as you're growing.
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COVID. Yeah, and and the late and the
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late teens, I guess is when another flare up will happen if
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you have OCD. So we, we were at our wit's
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hand. It was very difficult.
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He lied a lot. He was hiding things.
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But we didn't know he, he still, he still acted upon the same
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premise that he always had, right.
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And he was full of guilt and shame and he just didn't tell
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us. And so he was living a secret
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life. We were oblivious to it.
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And you know, I kind of came to a head after a while and, and,
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you know, when prayed for him and nothing happened, like, we'd
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pray for him, pray for him. And I went on a men's retreat
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out in the woods. And it wasn't really retreat.
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He was kind of like camping, but with a bunch of Christian men.
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And I remember they went up to this lodge to go to the prayer
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servers. So the gods are going to sit
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back here and talk to God. It's really the whole point,
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just being alone and talking to God.
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And so I'm like sitting in somebody's gravity chair looking
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up at the Starks as I'm praying to God.
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And he just pretty much reminded me who he made me to be.
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And so when I came back from that, that trip, I, I grabbed my
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son to me one night and I pulled him close and he didn't like
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being touched at that point without permission like he
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needed. And he just let me do it.
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And I held his head right against my chest and I just
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prayed for him. And I was about halfway through
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the prayer when Shelly finally overheard she was doing dishes
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and she came over and she started adding her, her, her
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holy two cents to it. And I remember the difference
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was, is how I felt in my heart when I prayed.
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I remember the difference was that there was a difference on
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how I felt, how I was structuring a prayer wasn't like
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a generic prayer. And I, I pretty much declared
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him healed in the name of Jesus through this prayer.
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And when he went to get ready for bed, he washed his hands one
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time and he went to bed and he hasn't, he hasn't had an issue
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or a flare up or anything since. And so, and we were all worried.
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We all had like kind of PTSD from it, you know, like, you
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know, I'd like touch him with a pencil once in a while, just
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kind of poke him because that was one of his triggers.
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And he'd look at me like, what are you doing?
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And he'd secretly confided to me later that he was afraid that
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when I touched him, he would freak out, right.
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So he was, he had PTSD as well. He was scared that he was still
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suffering from it. And so like we're we're testing
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each other's water, like I'm going to poke the bear and he's
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like, and he's, he's good. And to this day he still worries
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that things that he does is still OCD esque.
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It's like, I mean, everybody does little things, little
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nuances, little patterns that they do, that they have to do
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that that's just what they do Is that that doesn't mean you have
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OCD. You know, I was like, can you
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open the door without problem? Yeah.
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Can you eat food without problem?
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Like, yeah. Well, then you're probably OK.
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And he just still has worries and issues because that's how
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deeply it affected him. And I really believe it had a
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lot to do with that night or the the subsequent nights before
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that when he was having his night terrors.
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I really believe that something harmed him behind the scenes
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that we weren't aware of. And I think parents should be
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aware that when your children all of a sudden develop
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personality problems or it may not be hormones, it may be an
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attack that they had suffered or still suffering.
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And and, you know, we're oblivious to it because they
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seem fine. You know, autism is on the rise,
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like, or like there's been an increase, I should say, in
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children with autism. And so there's a lot of people
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that are going to be listening to this that couldn't be facing
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similar situations. What would you share with them?
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How to how to handle this with their own child?
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I would, I would encourage them to look at it from the
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perspective that God looks at us, right?
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How frustrating it must be for God to look at us, being us and
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doing the things that we do and how, how, how he puts up with
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our idiosyncrasies, our nuances, our own little neurodivergence
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that we do. He can't possibly be pleased
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with us, but he is. He loves us.
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He let his Son die for us. And I, I would suggest that we
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take that same grace to our children, that that they are
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loved, that they are, they're wonderful, and that they may be
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going through something that we don't understand, but God does.
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And I would take that to prayer and I would pray for them.
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Coming up is the autism related research Josh discovered that
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gave him hope for what his son was facing.
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All right, let's jump back in. In one of those rabbit holes
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that I went down looking at autism and, and things like that
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when concerning my son, I found a website callednids.net and it
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stands for neuro immunodeficiency something I
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don't know if he has syndrome something.
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And in it, this doctor was reporting how autism has grown
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exponentially from when they first discovered it till now.
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And sure, some of it might be reporting issues and, and
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whatnot, but he believes that for it to have such an increase,
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this exponential increase, that it has to be disease related.
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Berkite is it's giving, it's giving epidemic numbers to
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something that is psychological, sociological and has nothing to
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do with diseases. And he found something called
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NIDS where he called NIDS where when you're an infant, your
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body, your brain shuts off blood vessels to certain parts of the
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brain to protect it from infection.
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So when you get a vaccine, for instance, the vaccine doesn't
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cause autism, but it does cause your brain to stop or shut blood
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vessels in your brain to protect it from the disease you entered.
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A diaper rash can cause it multiples like I have a cold.
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I know a kid has a cold a lot. Well that could cause it too.
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And what happens is when the infection passes, the brain
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sometimes forgets to unleash those blood vessels and unlock
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that part of the brain. And they act like they have
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autismlikesymptomsandsothisdoctor@anids.net would give a treatment, I guess,
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to open up these blood vessels and saw, you know, some kids
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would, after 14 years of being a non verbal autistic, tell their
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parents they loved them for the first time in 14 years.
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And so. And he says that yes, autism is
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real. If, you know, he gives them this
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medication as treatment and they don't get better, they probably
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actually have autism. But the people that the other
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people, most of them actually show a significant change.
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And so, you know, we've got Tylenol links to possible cases
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in autism, which, you know, they did studies from that 2013.
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So it's like not a new idea, but this is what happens.
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This might be one of those things that it's not autism.
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If it, if it can be caused by a drug or caused by a vaccine,
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it's probably not autism. It's probably nids and it's
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something that's treatable. And I would, I would literally
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just recommend to any parent, any loved one that has a family
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member, just look up the website nids.net and discern for
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yourselves and, and if it's right for you, try it.
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And if it's not, then don't. Absolutely.
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I think one of the things like God, you know, with signs and
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wonders, God can absolutely heal your child.
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Right on spot, you know what I mean?
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Like with faith and prayer, that can happen.
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But one of the things God does too is He gives us wisdom and
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insight to know what to do. It's just that's just God
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working in our life on in on an everyday basis.
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And so I love that you not only shared how God delivered your
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son through prayer, but that you're also sharing the
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practical, the actual wisdom that God LED you to find to help
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in that too. So thank you so much for doing
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that. You're well appreciate that.
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Yeah, there's because as I'm as wants.
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To help. As I was listening to you, I was
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thinking of a friend. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm going
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to have to like cut this right away and send this to her
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because she has a son that is has autism and he's like, I
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think 21 or 22 or something like that.
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And I'm like, what if this is the answer?
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You know what I mean? For him to live a normal life,
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you know, like, not that you can't live a normal life with
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autism to live. More normal.
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I'm more normal, right? Like, right, like I don't, I
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don't want to like offend anybody out there that, you
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know, by the terms that I used in just trying to say, you know
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what? There's there's there could be a
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better way, a more right Yeah, for them.
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But when you look at all those moments together, you got your
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obedience like how he provided and provision and healing.
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What does that reveal for you about who God is?
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Well, we get to know him on all. He has many, many names, like
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over 50 names. And so we know him as Jehovah
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Jaira and the provider, Jehovah Nisi and Rafa.
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So healer got a peace. We just know him so much more
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intimately and, and then we can hear from him the more we get to
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know him. And it's just really neat.
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I was thinking of like what we're doing now because we're
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sharing God's goodness with the world, because it's very, very
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discouraging right now, all the stuff that's going on, but God
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is still at work and they don't share this kind of stuff on the
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news. Nope.
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Absolutely. So for someone listening who may
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be wondering if God is really at work in their own life, what
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would you want them to hear today?
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That God isn't distant, That God isn't a far away.
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Often times in our struggle we feel that God is the farthest
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away it could possibly be. And I think the problem is, is
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we're too close to the issue. And if you would liken yourself
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to an artist painting on a canvas and you're trying to
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paint a small detail in and you're really close to the
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canvas, you lose focus for the entirety of the rest of it.
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And by stepping back, you can actually see that what the big
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picture is, right? So if I'm looking, if I, if I,
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someone walks me in a room and they put me in front of a door
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frame and I'm like nose to nose with it and then they turn the
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lights on, they say, what are you looking at?
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I might not have a clue because it's right in front of me.
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And I think a lot of times what God is doing is that he is right
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in front of us and we don't have a clue that he's right there
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because we can't identify what it looks like when we're that
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close to him. We're so used to him being at a
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certain distance away for us to recognize him that we're not
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used to being in his arms. We're not used to being carried
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by him. And I just want to encourage
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people to know that he like the the poem footprints in a sand
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that, you know, this is the part where he carried me.
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And this is the part where he was dragging me and I was
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kicking in St. bots parking out in the poem.
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But he he carries us. He loves us.
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He he nurtures us. He doesn't want anything bad at
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like when he decides like the 10 commandments and he talks about
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sin. These aren't things that he's
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trying to restrict us from doing.
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These are things that harm us and he's trying to keep us from
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harm, right? He is no more guilty of
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punishing us for eternal damnation than a mother is
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guilty of killing her kids when she tells him not to play in the
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street. He's just trying to give us
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rules for right living. He's not trying to enforce his
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oppression on us. He's not trying to enforce
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anything else. He wants us to live free,
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healthy and happy lives. And so he sets forth rules to
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help make that easier. And he is with us like 100% of
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the time. There is there's no place you
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can go. Like, for instance, if, if I'm
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like, you know, I think God's turned his back on me.
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So I'm going to turn my back on God and I and I turn around,
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he's right there still right in front of me.
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And then I'm like, well, no, God, you don't understand.
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I turn my back on him again and he's right there, right in front
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of me again. Like he doesn't, he doesn't give
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us the chance to ever be a part right.
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He respects our privacy and he wants us to come to him on it,
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on our on our own. So that shows like an intimacy
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with him that says, Hey, I trust you with this problem.
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I know you already know it, but I want you to hear it from my
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lips. Then I trust you.
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And this is where this intimate relationship with him comes.
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And and you're allowed to be upset.
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You're allowed to yell at him. If you think you're hurting
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God's feelings, you're out of your mind, right?
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This he's, he's not just the God of the universe, He's God of his
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own emotions as well. You're not, you're not hurting
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his feelings. You're not telling him anything
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he didn't expect to hear. And and so when you had your
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cry, you had your yell, you had your moment.
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Just make sure you come back, make sure you come back to him
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and, and you don't have to be done to be done being angry with
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them either, right? You could be going through some
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things and, and really just need to, to yell at him.
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And one day you may, and I hope it's soon, figure out that he
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has never been against you, that he is for you, and that he is
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not holding you accountable to your anger and he is not blaming
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you for your trauma in the past. It has created the person that
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you are today. He doesn't look at you and say,
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wow, if only you weren't abused when you were three, if only at
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8 years old you had listened to your parents, you wouldn't be
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having this problem now. I don't know what I can do with
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you. He doesn't.
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He doesn't do that. He doesn't blame us for our past
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trauma. He looks at us and says, I'm
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glad that you're here now. And often times we look at him
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from across A room and it's like a pile of garbage in the middle
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of this room. This is our sin.
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And we say, I can't go to him because I had this big pile of
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sin in the way. I better start cleaning this up
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before I can go to God. And that's not what Scripture
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says. Scripture says that while we
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were still sinners, he sent his Son to die for us.
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And so when we realized that God walks around that pile onto the
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science side that we're on and he puts his arm around us, he
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says, man, that's a lot of garbage.
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Let's get started. Not you better get started.
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Let's get started, right. He works with us through that
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and he's he's able to go around anywhere in the room he wants.
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We don't have to clean the room for him.
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He knows it's dirty. We're not going to grandma's
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house with the plastic on the furniture.
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You know, he knows that your house is a demo.
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It's cool. He's OK with it.
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He's still going to knock on the door, still answer the door.
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And he is for you. Absolutely.
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Amen, Shelly. God has done so many amazing
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things in your guys's life, but what is he doing now?
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So I was looking for a way to make extra income because,
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Grant, we all need extra money. And I was like, what am I good
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at and what do I like to do that I can make more money doing?
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And the next day I was curling my hair in the bathroom where I
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get my downloads. And he's like, why don't you
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talk about me and share it with the world?
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And I was like, OK, And then I went to YouTube University and
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like, what does that look like? And so I figured, oh, a podcast.
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And then I got this list. Everyone, everyone says, get
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this mic, get this, get this, get this.
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And so I was telling people at work, am I one, the one guy at
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work, he worked at a recording studio in India.
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He's like, no, no, no, don't listen to that.
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You want this mic? You want this, this equipment.
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And he and I, I got it approved by the the pastor at the church
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who was very familiar with audio stuff.
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And he's like, yeah, he's right. And I was like, OK.
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And so I knew what to get. And then he even taught me how
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to use it and, and he let me borrow microphones until we
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could afford our own. And so like, it was just like
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when you're in walking in the will of God, he will just lay
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out everything, you know, and just one thing after another.
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So I figured it would be great if he could join me.
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And so we started recording some episodes like where the idea
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came from. And then a little bit about us
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because we have our own miracle stories, like he, his dad had a
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vasectomy and he was stillborn. So that's a miracle.
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Raised Buddhist, but he's sharing God with the world.
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That's a miracle. So like there were all these
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things and then and then God just leads us to the next person
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and the next person. And it's just so cool because
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we'll have people share what the Holy Spirit wants them to share.
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Like we have no agendas. No, like we're going to talk
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about this. We're going to talk about this.
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But when you play all the episodes together, it's like a
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well curated playlist and everything just flows from one
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thing to another, one episode to another.
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And it's just so neat because someone will talk about
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something. It's like, oh, we talked about
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that last week or the week before and it's just just so
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neat how all the different connections and then a lot of
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people, even they know each other and he's just grown it and
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it's just really cool. I love it.
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And I hated it. Yeah, at first.
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I'm, I mean, I, I'm, I'm fairly introverted.
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I seem extroverted because I, I have ADHD and and I like to
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match the personalities of people around me.
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So I make no, make no mistake, I wear masks.
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Most people try to hide them. I will tell you up fraud.
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I wear masks. I can't help it.
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And I, I hated doing it. I hate, I hated the whole
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concept of it. I hated ruining part of my day
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for it. Like it, it just, it just
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murdered my soul. And I would tell the guests that
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like on the show, like, I don't, I don't want to do that.
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Like, I hate this. And she would got mad at me.
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She's like, hey, don't do that. I don't like when you do that.
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It's like, all right. So I just kept it to myself,
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myself loathing, like, I hate this.
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We just kept it to myself. And then one day, again, walking
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into a kitchen, I heard very, very distinctly that, but this
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podcast was wasn't just hers, it was mine because we're two
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people get married, you know, 2 become one.
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And so we'll go back to that same lesson that I learned about
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the the exponentially more powerful and right back to the,
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Hey, you're cleaving on your wife.
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This is this is my podcast. He just told the person who's
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going to listen and and actually implement it because I would
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have like, OK, Lord, whatever, Like, you know, I'm not going to
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do that. You know, that I don't have any
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desire to talk to anybody. So we talked to the one that
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did. And so I had a different set of,
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of attitude adjustment, you could say from the Lord about
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this podcast and what we do with it.
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And so I don't, I don't begrudging.
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I like to tell the story now because I love it when God
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humbles me. I learn everything the hard way.
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And God knows that he's he's no stranger of taking this tool out
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from underneath me. I love it.
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Two things. One, most people have prayer
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closets. Josh has a prayer kitchen.
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That's where God speaks to him. Most people, God speaks in their
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prayer closet, but no, he speaks to you in your prayer kitchen.
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So I love it. And then too, I feel you, Josh.
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I totally feel you. Because when God told me to
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start this podcast, I'm like, God, you know how I hate being
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on camera? I hate this passion, but you
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told me to do it, so I'll do it. And you know, he's faithful.
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He knows I love talking to people.
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I'm a people person. I am an introvert sometimes
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because I, but not anymore really.
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I, I can't really say that anymore.
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I used to be somewhat of an invert and introvert, but I just
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love people and I love talking to people.
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I love hearing stories. I love sharing stories.
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Honestly, that was Jesus too, right?
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He loves people and that's what we're called to do is love
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people. And I get to meet lots of them
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doing this podcast. So I love it.
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I just didn't want to talk to people either, you know?
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I see stammered a lot about that one.
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Got a lot of excuses, you know? But, but, but, but, but Lord, I
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stutter. He's like, no, you're doing it
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great. Exactly like I'm hearing from
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like I interviewed a guest recently and they were like,
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wow, from a year ago to now, you have like grown so much in your
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in your interviewing and everything.
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I was like, oh, that's Jesus. He knew what was in there that
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needed to come out. And you know, Shelly, do you
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have any last minute encouragements for our audience?
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You know, God is always there. He's going to show up.
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And my favorite Bible verse has always been ask and you shall
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receive and just go and enter into His courts with
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Thanksgiving and praise that basically takes you right there
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in the throne room. Picture him and then just ask
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Him. Lay it out what's on your heart
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because He will show up. He will answer you.
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Some people like to do journaling.
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They'll ask a question, but be prepared to write what He says
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because he wants to talk to you and he wants to have that
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relationship with you. And when you have that
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relationship, it changes everything.
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And, you know, he will speak to you in all kinds of different
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ways, whether, you know, it's heart-shaped rocks,
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heart-shaped, you know, paintings on the sidewalk.
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Just when you look at the right moment, they're like, little God
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winks. And it's just a way that you can
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feel his love. An example, I love when I'm
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finished parking in a parking spot and the song ends right
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there and then, like, like, oh, I love that.
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And you just ain't makes him laugh.
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He's like, but it's just a way that he speaks to me.
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Then just like, yeah, she likes that.
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You know, I get all the green lights.
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He doesn't. But like that, that warms my
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heart. I love it.
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So God wants just be on the lookout and he will show up and
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show off and just ask him to do that.
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And the things that you will see and feel.
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And it's just, it's just really, really cool because what you
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seek you will find. And so Matthew 633 says seek
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first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these
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things will be added unto you. So just seek him out and just
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see how good he can show off. I love that, I love it.
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I totally agree. Probably doesn't make much sense
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when she was talking about heart-shaped rocks and
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heart-shaped spray paint. But when I was unemployed for
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the 27 1/2 months and after my 40 day fast, God started waking
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me up at about 3:00 AM and I used to wake up with, you know,
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yes Lord, here I am. And then I just go back to bed
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and after probably about four days of that, I, I just thought
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maybe I should just start walking and, and talking to him.
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So I was walking the neighborhoods where we lived at
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3:00 in the morning. And one of these mornings when I
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was out walking and just talking to him and I wasn't really
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hearing a whole lot from him. I'm just talking to him, just
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morning time with him. And I told him it was a little
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light rain, a little light drizzle going on.
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And I love that. So it didn't deter me.
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And I said, Lord, I don't, I don't know why you get me up in
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the morning. I don't understand why you want
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to have these talks. I feel like I'm doing all the
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talking. And he said almost audibly in my
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ear, but through my own voice, it's because I love you.
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I was like, you know, I, I have a hard time taking that
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receiving that because my father usually displayed a lot of
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conditional love, like I had to perform in order to receive the
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praise. I had to perform in order to see
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the love. And I believe that we really
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treat our Heavenly Father like we, we were treated by our
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earthly father. It's because it's the only basis
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we know, the only basis we understand.
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And so I put my head down because I couldn't look him in
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the eye essentially in my mind. And when I looked down, right at
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my feet, right where I'd stopped in the road, was a heart spray
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painted on the street, right dead in front of me.
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As if he knew, I say, as if as if he knew that at that moment,
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in my weakness, because he knew that I couldn't make eye
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contact, that I would look down and I would see that to
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reinforce what he had just told me.
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It was the most incredible thing.
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I couldn't wait to share it when they finally woke up hours
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later. Oh my goodness, I love it.
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You know, God is so good because and I love how he does similar
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things like in my alters of gratitude episode, that it was a
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Thanksgiving episode. I share a very similar story,
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but with a bird. And so you definitely need to go
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watch that episode because that I don't know, it's just the
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coolest thing and how God shows us how much he loves us.
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And that's what he did for me through a bird.
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And I love that he did it for you through a heart shape, heart
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spray painted on the concrete. So that's awesome.
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I love it. Josh and Shelly, thank you so
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much for sharing your stories with us today.
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If you want to listen to well, First off, go like and
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subscribe, witness the wonder, but go and follow Josh and
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Shelly's podcast, God's Goodness.
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It's God's goodness podcast, correct?
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Go follow their podcast because there's lots of stories on
27:34
there. And I'm going to be on there as
27:37
well. And so you can go listen to my
27:39
story. I share a lot more in depth
27:41
story there than I have even shared here on Witness the
27:44
Wonder. For the record, you guys got a
27:46
lot more stories out of me in your podcast than I've even
27:50
shared of my story on here. So go follow them, like
27:54
subscribe and do the same for Witness the Wonder.
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You know, I appreciate you guys so much for coming on here and
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sharing all your stories. And to everyone who's listening,
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my hope is that this conversation encourages you to
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reflect on your own life and notice that God is always at
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work in your story, too. Thank you for having us.
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Thank you. You're so welcome.