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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 6-23-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Heavy Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven
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  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety two to one f M.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: Glad to be with you.
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  Speaker 2: World Cup Soccer from Houston, Texas, Portugal, Uzbekistan as Cristiano
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  Speaker 2: Ronaldo will take to the field again trying to keep
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  Speaker 2: pace with the other big time stars in this World Cup,
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  Speaker 2: and quite honestly he is well behind right now, Killing
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  Speaker 2: and Bape with the pair of goals yesterday, Erling Holland
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: with the para goals yesterday. Both of those guys now
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  Speaker 2: multiple goal in multiple games so far in this World Cup.
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  Speaker 2: And of course Leo Messi has already scored five for
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  Speaker 2: Argentina through two games, and in Bope two more goals, right,
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  Speaker 2: so does that put him three behind Messi two behind?
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  Speaker 1: So so part of this whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Killian and Bape has sixteen World Cup goals, which heading
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  Speaker 2: into this World Cup was the world record. Miroslav Close
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  Speaker 2: had sixteen all time. Now Killing and Bape, at twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven years of age, has sixteen World Cup goals with
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  Speaker 2: I think probably five more games to play in this
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  Speaker 2: World Cup. I mean, it's he might be the all
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  Speaker 2: time leader by the end of this World Cup.
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  Speaker 1: He might be the alte leader.
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  Speaker 2: By the end of this World Cup, he will almost
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  Speaker 2: certainly be the all time leader.
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  Speaker 1: Before he's done playing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, soccer for francs MESSI will still be playing, maybe
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  Speaker 2: in a World Cup this year, and he might his
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  Speaker 2: record might be well surpassed.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, But the way he's playing.
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  Speaker 2: The way he's playing right now, I think he should
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  Speaker 2: be able to at least stay ahead of the pace.
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  Speaker 2: But this to me, right now and again, your boy here,
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  Speaker 2: I am a prisoner of the moment, and I own that.
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  Speaker 1: I admit that this feels to me.
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  Speaker 2: It's like Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa home run race. It's
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  Speaker 2: like wait, wait, wait, who's gonna score more? And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, Early Holland is gonna insert his name into
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  Speaker 2: these conversations for at least this World Cup because he's
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  Speaker 2: making it look easy. Christiano Ronaldo, Uh, you have the mic, sir,
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  Speaker 2: you have the stage. You have to try to keep up.
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  Speaker 2: And that, by the way, is equally exciting. That's thrilling
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  Speaker 2: to know that one of the all time greats is
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  Speaker 2: back against the wall, is cornered, is in his final
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  Speaker 2: World Cup, very certainly his final World Cup. Actually I
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't say that, because there's a there's an announcer from
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  Speaker 2: eight years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, see Portugal.
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  Speaker 2: Just Portugal obviously made a decision that they're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: let Ronaldo's selfish play affect them, because they they could
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  Speaker 2: have had Christiano Ronaldo score. We're two minutes in against Uzbekistan.
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  Speaker 2: They an extra pass, an extra touch, could have given
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  Speaker 2: Ronaldo a relatively easy goal, and they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't make that extra pass.
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  Speaker 2: So drama, conspiracy, soap opera in World Cup soccer.
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  Speaker 1: As we're two and a half.
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  Speaker 2: Minutes into the game, We've got a really good show
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  Speaker 2: lined up for you today. We've got extra programming today.
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  Speaker 2: Gordy Chase is going to join us at eleven thirty.
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  Speaker 2: He's also going to be with us all evening long
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  Speaker 2: at the engine room for our special draft broadcast. The
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  Speaker 2: engine room is thirteen eighty eight South, three hundred West.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be myself, Spence check Its, and most importantly Richard
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  Speaker 2: Smithy Smith, and Gordy Chiasa as we take you through.
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  Speaker 1: The first round from start to finish. Gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: fun one.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of days right Sometimes you wake
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  Speaker 2: up and your favorite football team is eleven and oh,
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  Speaker 2: so far on the season. Oh, another opportunity for Portugal,
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  Speaker 2: and this time Ronaldo just missed.
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  Speaker 1: He just missed.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you wake up and your football team is eleven
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  Speaker 2: and oh going into a rivalry game, and you're like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, this is one of the most important
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  Speaker 2: days in whatever, in my sports fan history. This is
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  Speaker 2: one of these important days I'm gonna remember. This is
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  Speaker 2: a day that means something to my life. If you're
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  Speaker 2: a jazz fan, if you've been a long suffering jazz
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  Speaker 2: fan who is somehow stuck with that through these last
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  Speaker 2: several years, today maybe feels like one of those days. Today,
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  Speaker 2: maybe feels like one of those days where you're like,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, this is the payoff. Today is the
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  Speaker 2: day that really begins, the rehab really begins, the mending
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  Speaker 2: of the wounds, and makes it worth it for me
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  Speaker 2: to have extended my season ticket packages, and makes it
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  Speaker 2: worth it for me to continue to buy Jazz gear.
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  Speaker 2: It makes it worth it for me to believe in
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  Speaker 2: this Utah Jazz franchise and the leadership that they've got
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  Speaker 2: great ownership group and now the Aangees kind of doing
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  Speaker 2: their roster mastery.
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  Speaker 1: Today feels like it could be one of those days.
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  Speaker 2: It also could be a day that lives an infamy,
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  Speaker 2: and in that case it would be well, really, in
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  Speaker 2: both cases, we're gonna have to market as June twenty third,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, the day that Aj Debonsa becomes a
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  Speaker 2: jazz man. Cam Boozer follows his dad's footsteps and plays
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  Speaker 2: for the Utah Jazz. Most likely, in my opinion, Darren
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  Speaker 2: Peterson becomes a Utah Jazz Man, and then two years
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  Speaker 2: from now we might be like, Wow, he made his
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  Speaker 2: first All Star team. Or two years from now we
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  Speaker 2: might be like, remember how we thought he was going
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  Speaker 2: to be a good player. We'll go through some of
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  Speaker 2: the history of the number two pick in the NBA draft.
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  Speaker 3: Hold on, oh see, you're not You're not doing that
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  Speaker 3: today on a day that we have so much hope.
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  Speaker 3: Jason christ yesterday remember said speaking in you got to
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  Speaker 3: speak it in new existence.
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  Speaker 2: That's what his dad taught him. That's what you gotta
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  Speaker 2: do us Team USA can win the World Cup. Don't
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  Speaker 2: be speaking into existence that this pick might not.
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  Speaker 1: Be a good player. You're right, I should not do
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  Speaker 1: that flag on you, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's a that's a five yard pedalteam, because oh.
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  Speaker 1: There we go, There we go, Portugal, there we go.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful pass right foot.
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  Speaker 2: Of Christiano Ronaldo, one zero for the portrait, and he
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  Speaker 2: is celebrating, not like he's been there before, because it
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  Speaker 2: has been a long time since he's been there, five
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  Speaker 2: years since he's scored an important goal for Portugal.
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  Speaker 1: That's gotta feel really good for Ronaldo, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, by the way, it's so funny because if
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  Speaker 2: Cristiano Ronaldo, like if his femur exploded right now and
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  Speaker 2: he never played another minute of soccer, his career is
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  Speaker 2: obviously above reproach, multiple time ball on d'Or winner. He's
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  Speaker 2: better looking than every human being on earth. He's got
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  Speaker 2: more money than ninety nine percent of the human population.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a beautiful family.
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  Speaker 2: His son is gonna be wearing this shirt, I think
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  Speaker 2: in three years, Like.
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  Speaker 3: Is he gonna go lebron and play with his son
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  Speaker 3: on the national team? Is he gonna play long enough
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  Speaker 3: to do that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean he he would be forty five at the
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  Speaker 2: next World Cup. But in any case, like that goal
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  Speaker 2: looks like an ultimate relief for him. It shows you
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  Speaker 2: the level of I don't know competitiveness that these individuals possess,
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  Speaker 2: because he could have retired four years ago and no
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  Speaker 2: one ever would have questioned anything about him.
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  Speaker 1: But here he is.
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  Speaker 2: Christiano Ronaldo puts one in the back of the net
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  Speaker 2: for Portugal. I don't mean to keep bouncing all over
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  Speaker 2: the place, but I'm caught up in this World Cup
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  Speaker 2: wave anyway. It's kind of a product of, hey, there's
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  Speaker 2: a World Cup match happening right now during the show,
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  Speaker 2: but that it just happens to be Christiano Ronaldo playing
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  Speaker 2: and on the day that the Jazz you know, franchise
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  Speaker 2: might change for forever, Like it's a big day. And
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  Speaker 2: that sounds like hyperbole, right, this could be a franchise
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  Speaker 2: changing day. But what we have been led to believe
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  Speaker 2: with the scouting process and watching the college in mostly
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  Speaker 2: high school careers of these young men that are on
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  Speaker 2: their way up to the NBA ranks, we've been kind
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  Speaker 2: of told like this, this is the franchise changing draft.
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  Speaker 2: This is the one where if you're sitting in that
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  Speaker 2: top four, if you're sitting in that top five, you
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  Speaker 2: get to look back on it and say, hey, wow,
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  Speaker 2: what an important day that was for us. Here's the
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  Speaker 2: thing you could miss. I mean you you miss more often.
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  Speaker 2: We went through this exercise a little bit yesterday and
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  Speaker 2: there were ten guys in the last twenty years that
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  Speaker 2: we were like, that is a definitive bust. And then
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  Speaker 2: there were like five guys that were kind of questioned marks,
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  Speaker 2: and there were five guys that you were like, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: you justified your position. That's not a great that's a
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  Speaker 2: twenty five percent hit rate in the NBA recently. We'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about it a lot today. Jerem Jordan joins US
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  Speaker 2: at noon. Bear Turnaney joins US at twelve, already head
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  Speaker 2: coach of the Utah Mammoth ahead of an NHL draft
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  Speaker 2: that's coming right around the corner, and obviously we have
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  Speaker 2: not had a chance to catch up with him postseason.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't had a chance to talk to him about
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  Speaker 2: the incredible run to the playoffs and some nice work
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  Speaker 2: in the playoffs, but a first round exit. I'm very
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  Speaker 2: excited to pick the brain of Bear tourney because that
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  Speaker 2: is much like the Utah Jazz that the Mammoth roster.
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  Speaker 2: Slightly different kind of model to roster building, and obviously
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  Speaker 2: depth is more important in the NHL, even than it
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  Speaker 2: is in the NBA. But like the Utah Jazz, have
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of these young players that you're just like,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, this guy might actually be something that
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  Speaker 2: can help us win. And I'm not just talking about
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  Speaker 2: Ace Bailey. I'm talking like Isaiah Collier. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 2: some of these guys that are role players on the team,
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  Speaker 2: but they know that and they fill that role.
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  Speaker 1: I think pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: The Utah Mammoth have this pipeline of young talent and
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  Speaker 2: of size, which is pretty exciting. Bear Tourney also got
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  Speaker 2: an extension this week. His lead assistant got an extension
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  Speaker 2: and they brought in Adam Foot as a new assistant coach,
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  Speaker 2: so he'll.
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  Speaker 1: Be on the bench for the Utah Mammoth for the
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  Speaker 1: first time. And we'll talk about all of that at
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  Speaker 1: twelve thirty.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're a Utah Mammoth fan, twelve thirty is
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  Speaker 2: when you need to set that appointment. Byron Bader from
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  Speaker 2: Hockey Prospecting joins us to talk about the upcoming draft.
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  Speaker 1: You are not in the lottery position. You are not
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  Speaker 1: picking number two.
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  Speaker 2: You are not plucking something off the top of the
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  Speaker 2: pile this year, as the Utah mammoth, but you're still
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  Speaker 2: in that middle of the first round. And there's been
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  Speaker 2: a lot of good talent that has been developed from
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  Speaker 2: those positions as well. And again, it's a slightly different
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  Speaker 2: animal in the NHL than it is in the NBA
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  Speaker 2: because even when you got like unrecognizable name, a big
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  Speaker 2: time rising star in Tija Ginla, right, all of us
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  Speaker 2: are like, oh cool, Yeah, first draft pick ever in
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  Speaker 2: Utah mammoth at that time Utah Hockey Club history.
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  Speaker 1: This is great. We have yet to really see him.
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  Speaker 2: The Utah Jazz are gonna draft somebody tonight and then
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  Speaker 2: game one minute one they're gonna be on the floor,
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  Speaker 2: likely starting for this Utah Jazz team.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's how it's got to be.
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  Speaker 2: That's what a number two pick in the NBA, that's
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  Speaker 2: how you have to use a guy like that. And
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  Speaker 2: I was having a conversation with one of my friends
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  Speaker 2: yesterday about the ceiling and the floor, right, and there's
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  Speaker 2: I think the decision is mostly made as we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about yesterday, for the Utah Jazz. They will pick
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  Speaker 2: one of the top two, maybe top three, I believe
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  Speaker 2: top two guys whoever Washington does not select, So it's
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  Speaker 2: largely predicated on what happens with Washington, But he was like, Man,
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  Speaker 2: I really feel like the floor for cam Boozer is
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  Speaker 2: higher than the floor for Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't disagree with that.
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  Speaker 2: The floor is not what you're chasing though when you're
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  Speaker 2: picking number two. The floor is what you're chasing when
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  Speaker 2: you're picking number twenty two, Like, I need a guy
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  Speaker 2: who is at least gonna be this good. That's the
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  Speaker 2: second half of the first round, that's the second round picks.
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  Speaker 2: When you're in the lottery, especially when you're in the
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  Speaker 2: top five, you're not talking about the floor. You don't
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  Speaker 2: think the floor is even a problem for you. You're
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  Speaker 2: not imagining that catastrophic outcome. What will hashim the beat
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  Speaker 2: be at his very very worst.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to know.
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  Speaker 2: You don't even want to bring that into your consciousness.
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  Speaker 2: So even if that is true, and I think it
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  Speaker 2: probably is the floor for these top four prospects, top
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  Speaker 2: five prospects, top ten prospects. While the business folks and
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  Speaker 2: the folks in the front office probably have to discuss it,
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  Speaker 2: probably have to actually care about it from a fan
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  Speaker 2: base perspective, from a coaching perspective, and nine percent of
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  Speaker 2: the way from a personnel man perspective, you're you can't
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  Speaker 2: even consider what the worst outcome is supposed to be.
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  Speaker 2: Because if you if you think there's a good chance
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  Speaker 2: that you end up seeing the floor of Darren Peterson,
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  Speaker 2: don't draft Darren Peterson if you think there's a good
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  Speaker 2: chance that you see the floor of a or excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: of Aj Debonsa, or of Cam Boozer, or of Caleb Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: If you think that you're gonna get the floor of
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  Speaker 2: those guys, they're not top five picks in the NFL draft,
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  Speaker 2: the Major League Baseball Draft, the NHL draft. You don't
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  Speaker 2: even believe that the floor is something you will ever see,
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  Speaker 2: maybe with injury and things like that. But you're drafting
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  Speaker 2: these guys because you think they're flirting with the ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: So I really would be curious to know, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: we'll get some more soundbites and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: I really would be.
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  Speaker 2: Curious to know how much consideration will Hardy and company
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  Speaker 2: even have on all, right, what's this guy's bottom line?
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  Speaker 2: And not like the bottom line, like when he is
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  Speaker 2: scraping the bottom of the barrel and we're only getting
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  Speaker 2: half a season out of him. Now, like Joel Embiid,
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  Speaker 2: they have seen the ceiling and the floor of what
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  Speaker 2: drafting Joel Embiid is in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: That's been largely health related.
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  Speaker 2: That is where I guess you have to consider it
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more with Darren Peterson, because he has
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  Speaker 2: had health questions, He has had issues that kept him
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  Speaker 2: off the floor sometimes in a sort of mysterious circumstance
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  Speaker 2: for Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: And that was not long ago.
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  Speaker 2: As much as we have been assured that his doctor
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  Speaker 2: and his trainer and his nutritionists and whatever else are
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  Speaker 2: now on the same page and they have figured out
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  Speaker 2: it was excessively high levels of natural creatine that then
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  Speaker 2: got supplemented with creatine. So you were over dosing on
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  Speaker 2: creatine and that causes cramping. And it's like, all right, man, sure,
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  Speaker 2: what don't necessarily believe that in particular, but I believe
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  Speaker 2: that you may have gotten a handle on.
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  Speaker 1: Just on that note.
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  Speaker 3: Jeremy Wu, friend of the show NBA ESPN, NBA Draft Analyst,
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  Speaker 3: his latest mock that dropped this morning has the Jazz
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  Speaker 3: get taking Darren Peterson, And he says in his little
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  Speaker 3: borb about that sources say, Peterson's medicals have not may
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  Speaker 3: have not raised major concerns with teams. So and I
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  Speaker 3: think that that makes a lot of sense because if
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  Speaker 3: they had, we would have something would have been leaked
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  Speaker 3: in the last month and a half, oh see, right
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  Speaker 3: since the NBA Draft lottery, since his creatine explanation went
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  Speaker 3: uh went public, something like somebody would have said, hey, man,
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  Speaker 3: we don't think Darren Peterson's the number A top five
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  Speaker 3: pick because of because of this stuff, we haven't been that.
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  Speaker 3: It's I think it's pretty obvious that there's no major
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  Speaker 3: concerns with that or anything as far as his health goes.
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  Speaker 3: He also says in his verb that Peterson is we
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  Speaker 3: as we talked about yesterday, he told reporters in New
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  Speaker 3: York that he met with the Jazz over the weekend,
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  Speaker 3: and according to Jeremy Wu was saying, that's indicative of
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  Speaker 3: mutual interest after a shift and a shift after Peterson's
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  Speaker 3: initial decision not to visit with.
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  Speaker 2: Or work out for the Jazz. So I think the speculation.
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  Speaker 2: The speculation is he was hoping he was number one.
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  Speaker 2: That's why he only and he believed had the confidence
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  Speaker 2: he would be the number one pick. That's why he
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  Speaker 2: only worked out with Washington. He and his camp got
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  Speaker 2: got updated intel that said, no, we're taking aj So
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  Speaker 2: now they're saying, okay, we better make we better make
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  Speaker 2: sure we have a good relationship with the Jazz.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Also, a lot of these reports, like again not dissimilar
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  Speaker 2: from what we saw last year, right where there was
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  Speaker 2: all of this just like, oh, this guy does want
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  Speaker 2: to be in Utah. This guy won't even work out
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  Speaker 2: for Utah. And maybe that's exactly how Ace Bailey felt
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  Speaker 2: before the has drafted him, and then he's just made
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  Speaker 2: the best of what he thought to be a bad situation.
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  Speaker 2: But Darren Peterson met with the Jazz ahead of, ahead
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  Speaker 2: of like some of this becoming more of a problem
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  Speaker 2: now it was an interview, it was not a workout.
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  Speaker 2: But you're right the team and maybe learning something from
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  Speaker 2: last year, right because none of it happens in a vacuum.
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  Speaker 2: The folks around him I think realized, all right, like
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  Speaker 2: you can't don't burn a bridge before you have to
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  Speaker 2: cross it. That is a bad idea. And now you're
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  Speaker 2: you're in a situation where even those reports I think
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  Speaker 2: make jazz fans at least I don't think the front
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  Speaker 2: office ever really care. But it makes the jazz fan
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  Speaker 2: base I think a little bit more accepting of the
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  Speaker 2: idea that you are going to draft this guy. If
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  Speaker 2: he's available, you are going to draft him, unless unless
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  Speaker 2: for some reason, there are enough people in the room
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  Speaker 2: can convince Austin Ainge, or maybe Austin Inge is one
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: of these people believe that Cam Boozer is the better pick.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I'm I feel like they're gonna take Daron Peterson. If
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: you're Carlos Boozer and you work for the Utah Jazz
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: and you had great years of your own NBA career
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: playing for the Utah Jazz, are you campaigning to the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz. Are you saying, look, I know what everything
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: on paper says. I know, positionally, it actually makes a
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: lot more sense for you to go with the guard.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I know that everything is leaning against this, but that
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: kid is unreliable. Are you negative recruiting against Darren Peterson?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: If you're Carlos Boozer, are you saying my kid is
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the better prospect here? You know that in my house,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: we raised them to be high character, we raise them
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to be professional. Seeing the way that he handled all
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: this stuff, at the most prominent school in the country, like,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: you don't have any of these question mark headlines about
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: my kid that dominated the conversation about this other kid.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: If I'm Dad, I'm doing that. If I'm Dad who
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: also has a job in the front office, I'm like, dude,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I have a belief that availability, reliability, and consistency are
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: a lot more important in today's NBA. I'm making my
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: bosses because, let's be honest, he doesn't really.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Need the job.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I'm making my bosses at least think about it and
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: build a case, which, by the way, will strengthen their
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: position on drafting Darren Peterson. If they have to be
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: able to articulate it, if they have to be able
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: to say because you can't. In my opinion, you can't
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: just be like, he's better. These guys are educated, expert
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and analysts. When it comes to these you can't just
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: be like, well, Darren Peterson's better prospect, his ceiling is higher.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: What about his floor is?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: If I'm if I'm Carlos Boozer, I'm saying what about
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: his floor? Get Bill's self on the phone right now
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and ask him how he liked dealing with his floor,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: how he liked dealing with the lack of availability, how
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: he liked dealing with poor communication, how he liked dealing.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: With like mystery. This Utah Jazz team.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And again I'm not trying to speak anything bad into
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: existence here, but this Jazz team cannot afford for this
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: to be a miss.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: It cannot We cannot afford as a Salt.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Lake City basketball community fan base, franchise. You cannot afford
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: for number two pick in the twenty twenty six draft,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: a deep draft class, to be a miss at number two.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Heck no, because guess what, There's gonna be somebody at
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: eleven who ends up as an All Star. There's gonna
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: be someone at six who ends up as an All Star.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Number one and number three might just be All Stars.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: You can't be the outlier here. You gotta get it right,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: and getting it right has there's a lot more that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: goes into getting it right than just going along with consensus.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And I'll say I'll say this too.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I am convinced at this point that Aj Debonca, Darren Peterson,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: and Cam Boozer are going to be really good NBA players,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: multiple time All Stars. I'm convinced that Aj debonsa and
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Darren Peterson are more likely to be all NBA players
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: and multiple time All NBA players than Cam Boozer. Those
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: things I'm convinced of at this point. But if we go,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: if we go in the time machine back what thirteen
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: years ago, twelve thirteen years ago, when you talked about
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Joel Embiid that draft, Andrew Wiggins went number one, Jabari
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Parker went number two, Joel Embiid went number three. Though
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: we at the time, we the consensus, myself included, was
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: convinced that the top two picks in that draft, the
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: perimeter players, Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker were going to
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: be multiple time All Stars, probably all NBA players, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Joel Embiid, if you could figure out his health, could
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: could end up being the best player in the draft,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: or at the very least he's going to be a
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: really good player too. Look how that turned out, right,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: So this is not a guarantee just because the consensus
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: feels this way about the top three. It's not a
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: guarantee obviously, that that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: It's going to work out the way you think.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: That.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Being said, you if you are convinced, as a front office,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: you are convinced that someone's someone's ceiling is going to
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: be what they what they're going to turn into ultimately,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and what I'm talking about Aj debonsa Darren Peterson are
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: going to be all NBA players, maybe MVP candidates, maybe
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: maybe MVPs right for their franch You take that guy
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: over the guy that you think could be a really
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: good player, multiple time All Star, but maybe not that good,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: and in that case that's Cam Booser.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: You've got a lot of history that you could look back,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and I know that it really doesn't affect because this
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: is an individual talent that you are drafting. So what
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: happened at number two in the past means absolutely nothing.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: But you will be judged by.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Your pick how he works out compared to how the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: other number two picks in NBA draft history worked out.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: We touched on this a little bit yesterday the recent ones.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five, Dylan Harper looks like that's working out
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: quite nicely.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Chet Holmgren take away the absolute shutdown disappearance still in
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the Western Conference final.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Good player, yeah.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: John Morant in twenty nineteen, take away all of the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: issues off the court, which I know you really can't
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: but take away some of those issues off the court,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and you probably still even with the issues off the court,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: you're probably still happy that you have John Morant. Yeah, Memphis,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: if they went back in time, they still probably would
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: have taken Jamarant number two.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any I don't think the character
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: concerns exist necessarily with any of these top three, top
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: four prospects. But that would actually be another interesting conversation
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: to have, Like, if this dude ends up being John
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Morant in Salt Lake City, will you still be happy
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: that you picked him? Whoever it is, because Memphis is
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: going to react to that a little bit differently than
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the Salt Lake City does for obvious reasons. Of the
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: number two picks in NBA Draft history pay attention to
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: this hint. Eleven have gone on to be Hall of
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Fame players.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: By the way, that does not include Kevin Durant because
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: he's not officially a Hall of Famer, but he will be.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: He will be, But that number is Kevin Grant's not included.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: In that number.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: John Mourant might be right, okay, So Jason Kidd nineteen
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: ninety four, number two pick, Hall of Famer Alonzo Mourning
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: nineteen sorry, Jason Kid nineteen ninety four, Alonzo Morning nineteen
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: ninety two. He's a Hall of Famer, Gary Payton nineteen
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: ninety Hall of Famer Isaiah Thomas in nineteen eighty one
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: went on to be a Hall of Famer. Bob McAdoo,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: West Sunselled, Earl Monroe, Dave Bing, Jerry Lucas, Jerry West,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Elgin Baylor Hall of Famers. All right, twenty two number
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: two picks have gone on to be All NBA or
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: All ABA players.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: There's one player who was not All NBA but was
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: all ABA.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: That was Marvin bad News Barnes Okay.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Twenty six of these number two picks have gone on
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to be NBA All Stars, three have been MVA, four
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: have been Defensive Players of the Year, twelve have gone
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: on to be NBA Champions. Here's another one number two
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: picks that have gone on to be the Rookie of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the Year. Because we are not real patient with however
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: this works out for the Utah Jazz, John Morant Rookie
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: of the Year, Kevin Durant Rookie of the Year, a
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Mecca Oka four Rookie of the Year, Steve Francis Rookie
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: of the Year. He was a co winner with Jason
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Kidd Grandma Ma, Larry Johnson, Terry Cummings, Phil Ford, Sidney Wicks.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: There have been twelve players who have been the number
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: two pick and gone on to be Rookie of the
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Year winners, and almost all those guys were really good players.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: A Mecca Oka four might be the only outlier of
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the guys you just you just listed. He looked like
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: he was gonna be really good though even out of college,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: so didn't turn out that way. So look, it's realistic
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: to say I need this number two pick to be
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer when it's all said and done.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: It's probably even unrealistic to say I need this number
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: two pick to end up making an All NBA team.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: But that's kind of what you need, right I need
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: this number two pick to be in serious consideration to
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: be Rookie of the Year because it has to happen quickly.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: The way that this is all set up for the
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz, with other players, contracts, working out with the
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: other personnel, moves that they have made. You have to hit,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and you can't hit in year four. You have to
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: hit in year one, two three, right, I need at
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: least again. I know these are unreasonable expectations. I need
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: this person to go on and be an All Star.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I need this person, whoever it is, and I think
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it's Darren Peterson, to be in strong consideration for NBA
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year next year, this coming season, in
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I need his name to be one of the first
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: ones mentioned as Rookie of the Year. And what you
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: really want, what you really desperately search for, is even
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: more than that. I need him to be the defensive
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Player of the Year. Not going to be the case.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think with any of these guys. Maybe ah,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I need him to be an NBA champion someday. Again,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: it's an unreasonable expectation given the world that we live
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in with Victor wembin Yama and all those guys hanging
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: out there with Shay Gildess, Alexander still there, with Luca
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: eight years left of great basketball at least out of him.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: The accolades, I'm glad you broke it down on the notes, James,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the number two picks the best you could go player
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: by player. But what you really need is you need
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: to collect some of that trophy. You need to collect
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: some of that gear, You need to collect some of
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: those recognitions, those awards. As somebody who's drafted number two.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: You have to justify your position in this draft, in
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: this year, with this franchise, in this moment in its history.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: You can't just be hey, he ended up being he's
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a mecha oka for he's a really good player.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: No, you have to be great.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: That is an immense amount of pressure, and who you
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: draft has got to be based on who do I
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: think is not just going to be a good starter
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: for us. I need someone who is going to be great.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: If I don't believe in my basketball heart of hearts
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: that that person is going to be great, don't draft
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: him at two. No matter what the rest of the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: league says. Don't draft him at two. And that might
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: be what disqualifies Cam Boozer for me. By the way,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: So I think he's gonna be really good, I don't
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: know if we're ever going to talk about him.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: As being great and that. Yeah, that's the point that
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I've been trying to make. That's where I've landed on
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: here and listen. Like I said, I think the best
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: comparison to this top three might be that twenty fourteen
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: drafts with Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, and Joel Embiid. Maybe
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: it turns out that that uh Cam booser is the
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: much healthier Joel Embiid of this draft. He's clearly the
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: best player of this draft class. Maybe that's how it
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: turns out. But at this point, the ceiling seems to
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: be way higher in those other two guys. Perimeter players
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: plus perimeter players, especially tall wings like AJ and Darren Peterson.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: That's what stirs the drink on NBA teams right now.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: That's what drives championships right now. You know, all due
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: respect to Jokic and Wenby, they're outliers on what wins championships.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Right now, you gotta go, You gotta go with one
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: of those which whichever of those guys lands at number two,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, it probably be Darren Peterson.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: All right, gotta take a break.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Gordia Chays is gonna join us on the other side
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: to talk about well more of this.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: We're down to crunch time.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: AJ Debonsa, Darren Peterson, Cam Boozer, somebody else. Who are
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: the Jazz gonna pick tonight? Don O'Connell show just getting
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: rolling on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two ONEFM.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Peace out.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Let's not crazy.
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: the day.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: My list today.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: Here's oc with.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Basketball savon Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell's show.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: A full slate of World Cup soccer today.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Portugal right now up to nil on Uzbekistead who had
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: a goal called back on an off side.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: In Group K action.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: And of course we've marched toward tonight's NBA draft, where
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz will pick number two. I guess, barring
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: any completely unforeseen trade, they will pick number two. Gordia
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Chaza joins us now on the Sean O'Connell show. Christiano
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Ronaldo just scored again. Portugal is now up three zero
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: on who's Bekkistan and Gordy He is splitting his attention
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: between the World Cup and this NBA draft, Like the
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: rest of us.
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: Hi, Gordy, Sean, how's it going you? Okay?
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I'm doing all right? How are you?
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: It's a big day, Yes, your big day.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: Absolutely the old jazz fans tonight jazz picking number two
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: should be a stark.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: So we were just talking about that in the in
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the first segment. You know, there's all these guys that
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: you could look back and you could say, number two
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: picks in the NBA? What have they done with recency bias?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Even like, oh, Dylan Harper, he's a number two pick.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: If you get Dylan Harper out of this draft, you're
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: gonna feel real good about it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: But you're not comparing.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: You don't get it's it's one of these guys has
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: to work out the way that some of these other
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: great players have worked out. And it feels like there's
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: an immense amount of pressure on the Utah Jazz franchise
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: to get this one right.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: But how full proof.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Is this group of players, Gordie, When you look at
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the top guys, when you took that look at the
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: top three of the top four that are realistic possibilities
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: at number two, how much guesswork is there?
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: Really? Not? At all?
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: The top four guys that really are tremendous talents and
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: with proper just maturity and growth, they have absolutely all
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: star potential, all four. And so we're talking about aj Deboncer,
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Darren Peterson, Cambusa and Caleb Wilson, And with a JADS
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: point of view, Sean, I'm just guessing for a second,
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: it should be Darren Peterson at two tonight. And he's
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: an unbelievable talent. He's a classic football player, jump shooter.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: I'll call him a guard. He's more of a two guard,
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: a point guard. But that guy when he has unbelievable
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: talent level and he has, you know, all the quick
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: posts you need to be a scorer, and he's a
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: good defensive player. He's a major talent. And then Cam
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: Boozer they're getting somebody also that will average eventually twenty
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: points a game and ten rebounds and almost showIn as
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: a point power forward and he can pass that ball
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: and he's really a talented guy. And so the Jazz
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: looking at either all those guys, they're both home runs.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: Both guys will be a franchise type players add to
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: the Jazz group.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: How much time, energy effort has been spent by this
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz front office to check all these boxes to
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: answer all the questions about especially health when it comes
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: to Darren Peterson, because there were those issues when he
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: was at Kansas, the cramping and things like that, And
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the explanation that came out around draft combine time was
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: that he hadn't figured out it was a creating issue
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and stuff. But I imagine that the Jazz is a franchise
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: and every other team that thinks that they might have
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: a chance to draft him, they were probably doing extra
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: research to figure out whether it made sense or not.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Am I wrong?
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, you're correct, And that those guys that they dissected
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: and bisected everyone of those guys, and they have the
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: only intel on them, plus their doctor's opinions as far
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: as the medicals, and so they know whoever drafts are
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: Darren Peterson, whether it's the Jazz, or whether it's the Wizards,
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: or whether it's the Memphis Grizzlies, whoever it might be,
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: is that they feel comfortable that they're going to take him.
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: As far as all the different medical quote issues.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: There was a conversation, according to multiple reports, between Darren
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Peterson and the Utah Jazz. He didn't come work out,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: but there was. It sounded like more of like a
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: combine interview type conversation between the franchise and the player.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: In those conversations, is there anything momentous? What can can
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: anything be said or done in a conversation to really
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: change somebody like darreon Peterson's future with the Utah Jazz
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: if he's available it two.
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: No, not at all. They know who he is, and
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: they've been talking to his coaches and to his agents
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: all the time and everyone around him in the draft process.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: It's really thorough. Is that everyone goes back to the
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: high school coach, to the college coaches, to other coaches
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: they play against, to the athletic trainer of the university.
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: They're going to be thorough about it. And that's why
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: they feel comfortable. Whoever they draft tonight, they'll be comfortable
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: of taking that guy. And last year they hit the
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  Speaker 7: jackpot with Ace Belly. Remember last year, not forget Ahpelly,
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: there was things around him also, he didn't want to
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  Speaker 7: be here, et cetera. And now he's here, he's played,
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  Speaker 7: he played very well for the jeff as a young player.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: And then this next guy, whoever they draft tonight, he
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: will be right there. Also again, these first four guys,
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: they have an unbelievable talent level. Now again the mental
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: maturity and the physical part of it he'll grow into.
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: But as far as being athletic and bouncy and knowing
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: how to play and be at their position, being specific,
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: these guys can score the ball and can rebound the ball,
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: and most of them can pass the ball.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Gordy with regard to to Ace Bailey and that whole narrative,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: that pre draft narrative, did we ever get clarity on
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: whether or not that was kind of false reporting or
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: whether that was genuinely how he felt about the idea
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: of coming to Salt Lake City. But then he made
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the best of it, and the reality of it is
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: something that's he's embraced. Do we know if we heard
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the wrong story or if that was an accurate story
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: that then you know he changed his mind about.
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: That was agent driven. So Aigen made that narrative and
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: then everyone ran with it as far as quote the
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: internet world, I mean, so that's what happened. So again,
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: as always, you's got to go to the sources yourself
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: and you talk to the players and people around that guy. Again,
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: the agent's job and that's the sole purpose is to
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: create a narrative for the best environment for his player.
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: And also if you're a free agent, the most money
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: and the best fit, et cetera. However, Sean, it gets
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: cloudy in the interpretation, and that's where it gets so interesting,
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: is that what's your sixth sense about a player and
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: what is true and what is not true? And most
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: times you go by your instincts because anyone involved in
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: basketball for a long long time, so someone like Danny Ainge,
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: they're going by their instincts on the player. That's also
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: what they see. All I say, all the time, all
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: they know is what I see, now what I hear?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Lord of Jesus, our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: NBA Draft preview show tonight. NBA Draft Show tonight at
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: the engine Room with Gordy, Smitty Spence, myself. Come down
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: and see us drink specials, food specials, giveaways and a
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: celebration of the Utah Jazz Picking at number two thirteen
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: eighty eight South, three hundred West in Salt Lake City
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: for the Engine Room. Gordy, obviously, this draft is you know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing for the Utah Jazz. But there've been
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: huge personnel moves made in the NBA just these last
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: couple of days. Tray Young gets an extension done after
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: he opted out as a free agent. He gets a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: deal done with Washington to remain there, as you told
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: us was the most likely scenario.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: We'll start with that before we get to the big trade.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Tray Young coming back to Washington, and obviously they hold
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: the number one pick. I think they probably believed they
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: were always going to have Trey when they were going
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: through this draft process. But does this confirm whatever their
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: plans were now that he's also under contract very much?
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely. Trey Young is a point guard that can
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: score the ball and he can pass the ball. Sometimes
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: he's a little bit of a lightning rod. I get it.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: So that's the risk factor. But they feel comfortable being
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: around him when they traded for him at the trading deadline.
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: So the Wizards made that move, and that tells all
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: of us that at aj the bouncer who's a major talent,
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: I will have a past happy point guard to play
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: with him. Also with Anthony Davis being there hopefully in play,
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: and also with this young guy Colabali who's a young talent,
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: and Alexander saw the Frenchman who's vastly underrated, who played
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: very well on a very bad Wizards team last year. However,
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: that's last year. So Trey Young being with signing that
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: contract makes it the bouncer I believe in play for
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: the Wizards.
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  Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about the massive trade.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: You and I have discussed the future of Janis Anti
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Anti don Kumpo for like two years now and the
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Greek free It's finally been settled.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: He is headed to Miami.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: He's taken the talents to South Beach and in return,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Milwaukee gets a pretty impressive haul.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: We have to see how it all plays out.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: But you know, you immediately start to analyze who won
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: this trade. It's it's a bunch of draft picks, it's
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: some quality players. And then of course in return, you
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: get one of the best players in the NBA going
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: to Miami to pair with bam Abadio and some of
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: those guys who won.
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: The Heat. Yeah, the Heat is the best player involved
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: in Giannis will be highly motivated. Let's first break down
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: the Heat is that for the four straight years the
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: Heat had been in a play in tournament four years
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: in a row. And so they in their world remember
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: their free time NBA titles also under pat rally, and
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: so they're saying philosophical situationally the obvioser, we need, they
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: need more, and by getting Jannis and Bobby Porters they
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: are they're having two players, especially Giannis, so now with
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: the with the Mammy heat, they should start pass happy
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: Davi and Mitchell Norman Powell who was a free agent
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: though they're there to resign him, Andrew Wiggins, Jannis and
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: bam Adebado who's an All Star, and Bobby Porters as
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: a sixth man both as a power forward slash slash
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: center and Pela Lawson will be off the bench for
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: them also, plus other guys and so that team they
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: think that will be much stronger in the Eastern Conference
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: to go against the Nickelbockers and the Celts, et cetera.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: Now for Milwaukee new coach there is that they're they're
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: saying indirectly that Giannis has one out, is welcome here,
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: and that Tyler Jenkins, who's not a new coach there,
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: they're starting over and rebuilding the process. So they get
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: Tyler here, Kolora Ware who's a very good player. Hey
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: Matt Hawks, who's an all around player, and plus the
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: thirteenth pick of the draft, plus also two future first
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: round picks in the twenty thirty one and twenty thirty
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: three plus also second round picks. So they've got a
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: major hall for Giannis and Bobby Porters, and they for
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: them also. It's a good deal, but the better deal
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: right now is more short term. It's Mammy heat, Gordy.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: How many great years does Giannis have left?
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: Giannis has left right now? This is his thirteenth seaton
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: disfinished in the NBA. So he turns thirty two on
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: December sixteenth, so he's got three more great years in
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: that athletic body. And remember now part of it, the
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: reason why that the heat of saying philosophically that they
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: can resign them. So next year on his contract, meaning
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: twenty six twenty seven, showing he makes fifty eight point
• 45:04
  Speaker 7: four million, then he can op out, and twenty seven,
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: twenty eight and six months from now, if he does
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: op out, he can sign a massive contract for four years,
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: total package twenty seventy five million dollars. And so that's
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: so they're confident they can resign him and he has
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: left in his body. I'm saying the high level, a
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: level three more years. Bobby Porters's contract is absolutely getting
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: in a good way. It's team friendly. Bobby Porters again
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: off the bench. You know, Bengal hustle player Tomley Shooter
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: got some toughness. His contract is actually really team friendly.
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: He makes next year fourteen point five million, in the
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: following year fifteen point five so it's literally under the
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: mid level exception, which this year fifteen million dollars. And again,
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: I know I'm getting geeking right now as far as
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: these contracts, but it does matter. Again, these these numbers
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: do matter to every organization, and that's why it's so
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: important that you're going to pay somebody. He better be
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: an elite player, or he better be a young guy,
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: and his contract is team friendly.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Now that you've got, if you are the Milwaukee Bucks,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: you've got two first round picks this year. I mean,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: we've talked about how deep this draft is. We've talked
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: about the fact that especially you know, it's very very
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: top heavy. But where their pick and the heats pick
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: is and you've got two in the first round, I mean,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: are they going to be able to add important pieces
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: quickly based on even the early results of this deal.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: Yes, answer, Yeah, this draft is very deep. And again,
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: as always, every draft is good because it might take
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: two or three years to play out, but these guys
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: can play in the draft. And so I'll make a
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: point about it as always, is that Gellen Brunson was
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: picked number thirty three in the draft in the second
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: round is the MVP. And so there's to be so
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: many in this draft that has that type of basketball game,
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: endoor talent, endoor body frame that will emerge future out
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: and that makes the draft draft so intriguing. There's nothing
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: like it. You know, where you project a player's potential,
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: but sometimes they underperform and often they overperform. And showing
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: tonight's draft before I know you'll not be together with
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: the Smitty and with Spence, is that tonight's draft Wherebert
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: the Drafts draft at number two is salary next season
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: shown will be ten point three million dollars and in
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: twenty seven to twenty eight, the second pick of the
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: drafts will be ten point eight million dollars in salary.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: And so it just shows you that this is all
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: part of the getting the numbers correctly as far as
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: the cap numbers, and also the first apron, and then
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: worse than that, the second apron as far as communitive,
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: as far as tax dollars.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Gordy, We've been spending the last couple of days kind
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: of speculating on what the Jazz need to get whoever
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: ends up being the player, and I think we're in
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: agreement that it's going to be Darren Peterson, but could
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: be Boozer, could be aj whatever, whoever they end up
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: drafting tonight, What do you need to get out of
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: that guy? And how quickly do you need it? We
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: were going through some of the accolades won by number two.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Overall draft picks. Eleven have become Hall of famers, twenty
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: two have ended up being All NBA or All ABA players,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: twenty six have been All Stars. You've got three MVPs,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: You've got four defensive players of a year. Twelve of
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: them have gone on to be NBA champions. I'm looking
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: at this draft and the importance of it for the
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz franchise, after years of tanking and asking a
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: fan base to hold tight with them, you.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Have to hit on this.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: But what does this player have to achieve for us
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: to then say yes, that was worth drafting Darren or
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: aj or cam at number two in twenty twenty six.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Does he need to be an All Star?
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Does he need to end up being an NBA champion
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: At the top end of this, are we going to
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: have an unrealistic expectation that this kid has to be
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer when we look back in ten years.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: What level of achievement is going to make us feel like,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: all right, justified the pick?
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: Good year? Three to five years? Yeah, Neddie Scott's sow
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: young nineteen years old, so hopefully, but that guy whoever
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: the Jets pick at age twenty two, he's an All
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: Star his third to fiftyear in the NBA, which is
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: really realistic. And that this player along with Ace Balley
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: and all the rest of other people that either we
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: don't who they are or they're in their prime inning
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: right now, Jaron Jackson, Larry Markin, etcetera. Those guys and
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: hopefully Walker Tesla that didn't get the Jazz back to
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: the playoffs hopefully soon meaning if not next season, definitely
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: the twenty seven to twenty eighth season. So the Jazz,
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: this guy will this guy will have major talent and
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: he'll be a franchise type difference maker. And that's realistic
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: because these kids have talent. But again, it's just so young.
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: They're nineteen years old. Let's not forget about let's not
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: forget about Victor wen BEYONMBA. This guy, I know, he's
• 50:25
  Speaker 7: getting paid a lot of money. We preface that saying that. However,
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: also within that he's only twenty two years old. Victor
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: wen Beyonba, he has the weight of the shoulders all
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: around him as far as on those narrow hips and
• 50:38
  Speaker 7: stuff to try to lead the Spurs franchise. The Jazz
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: player at number two will have the exact same eventually
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: type of expectation level to lead the Jazz into our
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: to a deepened the player front eventually.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Gordy, what's your list today?
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: Okay? My list today is very similar to I'm going
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: to break down the last ten of the NBA second
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: overall pick. Sometimes it's Sean. You know the expression the
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: good bed and the ugly, Well, this is part of
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: it right now. Ten years ago, back in twenty and sixteen,
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: the second pick was Brandon Ingram by the Lakers, and
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: now he plays for the Raptors in twenty seventeen. The
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: second pick of that year was Lonzo Ball of the
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: Lakers also drafted him, now places for the Cavaliers. Twenty eighteen,
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: the second pick of the draft was Marvin Bagley drafted
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: by the Kings, now plays for the Mavericks. Twenty nineteen,
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: John Moran of the Grizzlies, twenty and twenty, James Weisman
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: of the Warriors, and Seawan. That draft was so interesting
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: because that's what we call the NBA bubble Draft. That
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: was November eighteenth, twenty twenty, That was during COVID nineteen
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: and that wasn't even alive. That was in a video
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: conferencing at the ESPN headquarters in Bristol, Connecticut. And the
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: Warriors the second pick with James Weissman number twenty twenty one,
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: Jellen Green of the Rockets now plays for the Suns.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: Twenty twenty two, Jackpott Jet Hunger in place for the
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: Thunder twenty twenty three, Brandon Miller plays for the Hornets.
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: Twenty twenty four, the Frenchman Alejander Sar who now plays
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: for the Wizards, and last year was Jackpot Dylan Harper
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: of the Spurs. Those guys who are all number picked
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: number two in the draft in Jazz history. The last
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: time the Jezz picked at number two as far as
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: in the overall draft, that was in nineteen eighty the
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: Jazz drafted Darryl Griffin doctor Donkenstein, and he had eleven
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: year career with the Jazz and he was voted the
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: Rookie of the Year back in nineteen eighty one. And
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: just two quick notes showing alluded to about the MVPs
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: and stuff and also all stars. Kevin Durant back in
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: two thousand and seven was picked number two. Number one
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: picked that year was Greg Otum by the Portland Trailblazers
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: and Kevin Durandy's still playing is heading to the Hall
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: of Fame. And another another quick side note back in two
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: thousand and sixth year before the second pick of the
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: draft is LaMarcus Aldridge, who had a tremendous career who
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: was drafted and was traded to the Portland Trailblazers. The
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: first pick shown was an Italian gang named Andrea Bobigiani
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: and he had a very nominal career. So it does
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: happen this time, though tonight it will happen in a
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: positive way. These kids who ever picked the number two
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: will have tremendous careers.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Gordy very excited to hang out with you tonight at
• 53:40
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• 53:43
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• 53:44
  Speaker 7: Can't wait, man, Peter canight. We're definitely excited about it.
• 53:49
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• 53:52
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• 54:11
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  Speaker 10: What's up, Sean? How are we doing?
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  Speaker 4: Man?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing all right.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Are you caught up in the wave of World Cup
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• 55:44
  Speaker 9: Bro I am a little behind like certain games, but
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  Speaker 9: I have watched every single game.
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  Speaker 6: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 9: Like I am into it. I've had a couple procedures.
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  Speaker 9: I've been just at home, hanging out. Wife's out of town.
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  Speaker 9: The next couple of days at the Old Girl Worlds camp.
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  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, your boy.
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  Speaker 9: Is watching two of the three kids. And it's the
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  Speaker 10: I love it.
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  Speaker 9: It's been a really fun summer so far. And obviously
• 56:10
  Speaker 9: the NBA Draft tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go NBA Draft tonight.
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  Speaker 2: And part of the reason we wanted to have you
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  Speaker 2: on is because expected at the very very top of
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: this draft, either one or maybe two, but most likely
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: one former BYU Cougar aj De Bonsa will have his
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: name called. And really that is the culmination of a
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: well planned out, strategized journey through you know, prep academy
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: BYU and now into the NBA.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: And you've been closer to him than any of us have.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Just your thoughts on what tonight will represent for Aj
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: and for the Debonsa family.
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: I think it's a big moment obviously for Aj, for
• 56:49
  Speaker 9: Ace and Chelsea and the whole fan It's a big
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: moment for BYU. It's huge moment for Kevin Young as
• 56:54
  Speaker 9: well in the program, and.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: It's it's just awesome.
• 56:57
  Speaker 10: Like when you went to Utah Prep.
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: The hope was he liked Utah and would get by
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: you a legit shot, and he did, you know, And
• 57:05
  Speaker 9: then the hope is tonight the Wizards take Darren Peterson. No,
• 57:10
  Speaker 9: I'm cool with either one as a Jazz fan, though
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: I would love to have AJ but I think Darren
• 57:14
  Speaker 9: Peterson would be great here too.
• 57:16
  Speaker 10: But I think it's a win win.
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: Either if Uya has a dude that's the number one pick,
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: or he gets to stay close to his kind of
• 57:23
  Speaker 9: second home here in Utah. His home is Boston Brockton, right, yes,
• 57:28
  Speaker 9: but but his second home has sort of become Utah.
• 57:31
  Speaker 9: This has been as if you will his his basketball mission.
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: You know, you live there for two years, you have
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: an affiliation and a connection, and you know, I went
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: to brazila my mission, so I'm rooting for Brazil in
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: the World Cup.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: But there, I was going to ask you where your
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: secondary allegiance lies, and here in Utah it's often wherever
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: somebody served their mission, So I guess that.
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: Answer, right, yeah, yeah, And I lived in Portland as
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: a kid, and my parents divorced, moved to Utah, and
• 57:56
  Speaker 9: so I've had you know, Seahawks, Mariners, love the Blazers,
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: grown up, the whole thing. But now, yeah, now I
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: love the Jazz and I'm excited. I've never been more
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: excited for an NBA draft. One as a person affiliated
• 58:06
  Speaker 9: with BYU, but two just as a fan of the NBA.
• 58:08
  Speaker 10: I just think it's a load of draft. Obviously there's a.
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: Cool connection with AJ, but it's it's a huge moment
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: tonight for AJ and what who he's become, who he's becoming,
• 58:18
  Speaker 9: and then for BYU. Obviously, I think it's one of
• 58:20
  Speaker 9: the great moments in b or sports history time.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: I know that, you know, Ryan Smith and I don't
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: have the same brain. That's why he's a billionaire and
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I'm doing this. I have a hard time letting things go,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: and I would have a hard time if I were him,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: or if I were anyone anywhere on this chain regarding
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: AJ de Bonsa, I would have a hard time letting
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: go of the idea that you got this close to
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: making this like fairy tale dream, as a BYU fan,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: as a BYU booster, as an AJ fan like this
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: and a jazz fan obviously this close to maybe my
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: vision coming to full fruition. Do you think there is
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: any of that or even the ages or for Ryan Smith,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: because it felt like, not that he ever said it publicly,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: but it felt like the plan was, I'm gonna support
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: this kid as he makes a move to Utah. I'm
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: gonna try to get into my alma mater to BYU
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: and then maybe, if everything works out, I'll have him
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: playing for my professional franchise. Well, you're like one pick
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: away from that being a possibility. It would be hard
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: for me to be totally happy with the result of
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson at too, even if I think he's gonna
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: be a great player.
• 59:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's very storybook, right, It's like, oh, if someone
• 59:34
  Speaker 9: authored this story and had this narrative, that would be incredible. Yeah,
• 59:39
  Speaker 9: for sure. But you know, I think it's gonna be
• 59:43
  Speaker 9: awesome to do. I think there's a lot of great
• 59:45
  Speaker 9: players in the strap. I'm kind of looking at it
• 59:47
  Speaker 9: not as like, oh, we almost got one, and more like, hey,
• 59:51
  Speaker 9: we actually got a top three pick this year, as
• 59:53
  Speaker 9: opposed to dropped every year or stood where we were
• 59:57
  Speaker 9: like you know what I mean, Like I'm sort of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 9: cup half full on this draft situation, and there was
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: a tiebreaker, right, like they had to win it like
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 9: a literal uh you know, ping pong ball to get
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 9: two not three, and so yeah and who and like
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: what's crazy? Is we kind of think we know? But
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 9: like what if Cam Boozer goes in the top two somehow?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't know.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 10: I just think it's really interesting.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 9: It's probably obviously aj Darren Camp, but we'll see, man,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 9: Like I think it's going to be intriguing tonight obviously
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 9: the honest trade is like massive news from last night
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 9: and Julius Randall going so like the NBA does deliver,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 9: Dude at the end of June and July, you know
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 9: there's is there any off season? Like yes, but there's
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 9: always something going on, and I think it's a really
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: exciting moment to him.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I did not plan the talking to you about
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: this until five minutes ago when we saw a major
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: new breaking piece of the story on the Brendan Soresby case,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: where you know, is there an offseason in college football?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Not for Texas Tech.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Not for the Big twelve right now, because the latest
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: development in the Brendan Soresby saga is that the NFL
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: is not going to hold an NFL supplemental draft this year.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: He does not have the option of getting drafted in
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: a supplemental situation, which was the plan was planned b
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: after the sort of surrender with the whole legal battle
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: with seemed like college football, the Big Twelve, all the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: other teams in the Big Twelve are ready to dig
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: their heels in and challenge his eligibility at Texas Tech,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: which makes perfect sense in my opinion. But now the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: NFL is just like, eh, you know what, we'll see
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: you in twenty twenty seven, because this is very NFL.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: They're like, I don't want to be part of this
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: gambling controversy. We have all these partners who don't want
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: to touch this with a ten foot poll, and so yeah, no,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: we're not giving you this option. What are your thoughts
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: on Brendan Soresby now potentially, you know, getting back into
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: the fight with the Big Twelve and trying to make
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: himself eligible for college football again.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: I'd be surprised if he was, especially in the Big Twelve. Like,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 9: if I'm him, I'm you know, trying to play for somebody.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 9: But the Big Twelve clearly showed that they're not going
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 9: to tolerate that. You know, it was fifteen against one,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 9: and I've had a strong opinion on this, like I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 9: can't stand the fact that he's even trying, like own it.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: You know, you shouldn't play, you can't play. Don't be
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 9: suing until you are going to the courts until you
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: get the answer you want, like come on. And the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 9: NFL showed they don't. They don't want to tolerate that
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: kind of behavior as well.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 10: They take it very seriously.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: In spite being in bed with DraftKings and everybody else,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 9: which is the great irony that we all recognize here.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 9: So yeah, I'll be honest, I kind of love it
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 9: because I don't think it should be tolerated and the
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 9: NFL saying no, we're not going to just let you
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 9: come in here and show up in supplemental draft. Like
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 9: I'm surprised, but also pleased because I think it's such
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: a serious that it has to be tolerated with the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 9: serious consequence, and now it is multiple times. And I
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 9: didn't like the fact that Texas Tech was fighting it.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 9: And yes, people have issues, that doesn't mean they get
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 9: to avoid the accountability angle with this, and that has
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 9: always been a massive red.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 10: Flag in sports.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 9: You cannot bet on your own team. It's just I've
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 9: been flabbergasted by the whole situation, and I'm unfortunately, I
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 9: guess I don't have a lot of sympathy or empathy
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 9: in this space. Maybe I need to have a little
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 9: more for him. I do like as a person, but
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 9: that doesn't mean you get to play football like you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 9: did an unpardonable sin. Sorry, dude, You've got to sit
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 9: out for a year. So I'm interested see what happens now,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 9: but I'd be shocked if he tries to play in
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 9: the Big Twelve. At least the Big Twelve was pretty
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 9: strong in their approach in their legal action they took,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 9: and I'm kind of proud of the league collectively for
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 9: doing them.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: To me, it felt like this is the first time
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: in maybe years that we've had sort of the sensible
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: outcome with anything that is even mildly controversial. Because you
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: know that the NCAA has no power anymore, the College
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Sports Commission has no power. The lawyers win everything, and
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: this was one of those scenarios where it's like, man,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: you're really gonna You're going to open another Pandora's box
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: here with this situation, just because you're afraid of litigation.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: And thankfully the Big twelve did not surrender quite so easily,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: and I think this is the right outcome. Again, Sorry,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Brendan Soresby, you shouldn't have done the thing that everybody
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: on the planet knows you're not supposed to do. I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: think he's still going to have an opportunity to play
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: in the NFL. He might still be a first round
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: pick next year in the NFL. Once this is not
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: a story anymore, but I guess we'll just have to
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: watch how it plays out. It has not changed and
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: I'm curious your thoughts on this. It has not changed
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: in the in the sports books at least, it has
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: not changed the outlook for Texas Tech the way that
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: I thought it would. That he will not be available
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: to him. A lot of people are just like, yeah,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: still the favorite to win the conference. They have a
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: very friendly schedule. Admittedly, like the over under on is
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: said it eleven and a half wins, you're questioning whether
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: they're gonna go undefeated or not. I am not all
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: that sold necessarily on this Texas Tech roster, but I
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: wasn't last year either, and I was wrong about that.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts on the fact that the absence of Brendan
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Sorosby doesn't really change their outlook that much, Yeah, it's.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 9: It's a little surprising, but also not in that they
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 9: they did a great job in the portal. Again, I
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 9: don't think that Front seven is going to be as
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 9: elite as it was last year. And I say elite
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 9: until they played Oregon and then Oregon played Indiana and
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 9: then Indiana played everybody, Like they're just levels to this right,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 9: But to.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 10: Me they should be the preseason favorite in the Big twelve.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 9: Is the margin a little smaller with BYU and others? Yes?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: But Will Hammond in the games he was in showed
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 9: enough to give you, you know, some excitement.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 10: If you're a text tech fan.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 9: Also, you know coming off in ACL So that's the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 9: question mark. He should be ready in two months, you know,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 9: that's late August, Like, how is he going to be
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 9: off that?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 10: I just think they've got a lot of talent.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 9: Also, I don't think BYU and this is where like
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 9: I just I try and be real about texts by
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 9: You got to out score sixty three fourteen and two
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 9: games against Texas Tech BA cannot walk in saying we're
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 9: the favorite. Now after those two games, I'm sorry, you
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 9: have to prove yourself again. And BYU was very good
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 9: last year, almost great. You know, if they show up
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: in one of those games, maybe they're in the playoff.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 10: Maybe who knows. But now it's like, okay.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 9: The Colonie stack Away says, stay hungry and humble, and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 9: I think BYU this offseason is thinking about we got
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 9: to get to Arlington, and we've got to If Texas
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 9: Tech is there, we gotta beat him. And I'm with you.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 9: I'm like, undefeated feels like a stretch. But in terms
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 9: of who the favorite should be, not who I think
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 9: will win the league, who the.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 10: Favorite should be is Texas Tech.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm I've settled on.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: If BYU doesn't win the comp this year, they're never
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: going to win the conference with what they have coming back,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: with what they brought in in the transfer portal. I'm
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: super high on bear Bachmeyer. You've got the offensive player
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: of the year. You've got a guy that I keep
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: reading these articles about might be the best linebacker in
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: college football.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: And Kadu Lauave.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: The speed on somebody that size is unfair and ridiculous, right,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking at them like, all right, well, if
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: not now, when for BYU? Because it's all kind of
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: lining up. They've got a friendly schedule, Texas Tech has
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: now this distraction plus the absence of Brendan Soresby. Although
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: I like Will Hammond a lot, so that might not
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: that might end up being kind of a wash at
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: the end of the day. And I fully understand why,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: you know, the messaging is what it is from the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: coaching staff and why BYU fans don't want to get
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: out over their skis. But I look at this roster,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: and I look at the fact that Utah's got a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: first year head coach this year, and I'm looking at it.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going like, if not now, when for BYU?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 9: There's certainly that thought, right, And and yeah, I've I've
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 9: heard that thought, and to some degree I agree as well.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 10: But I do see, like BOI just got.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 9: Its highest recruiting class ever, So I'm gonna give that group,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 9: like in three to five years a chance at that
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: in terms of like that group might be the most
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 9: talented Boa team in terms of the timing like you're
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 9: talking about of like all the personnel that BOI has
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 9: led by LJ Martin kdu lave a bear back man
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 9: and so on and so forth. Like bois in position,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 9: they are in great position to win the Big Twelve,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 9: perhaps challenge for it, get into the playoff hopefully like
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 9: It's it's not playoff or BUS, but it's close REOI,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 9: given how close they were the last two years, So
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 9: there is pressure, but I think this group is ready
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 9: for it. Like BoA's never had a more talented roster,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: They've never been more experienced in.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 10: A powerful league, obviously, like it's year four.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 9: Sometimes it takes a sec right, and I think BOI
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 9: is ready for the moment. And adding the Notre Dame
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 9: game was massive, like the ACC reconfiguring the amount of
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 9: games they play in League cal having to cancel BUA
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 9: suddenly getting Notre Dame they canceled with USC, like the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 9: stars have aligned, sure the perfect opportunity for BYU.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 10: They should.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 9: They could both be undefeated going into that game. Notre
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 9: Dame certainly should be BYU hopefully is, and that could
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: be one of the most epic setups for a game
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 9: in Buick football history. Might be two top ten teams
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 9: with game dantown like the opportunities there. Now it's up
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: to Buoy to actually do it.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: This is a story I avoided talking about mostly because
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: it was it was a criminal case and it wasn't
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: a football story. After the expulsion, but you know, Parker
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Kingston case, the charges have been dismissed.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: There is reports out there that there might be.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: A refile, and you know, there's always the question of
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: at what point did he report things and start a
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: repentance process and get process with the Honor Code Office
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: and things like that. I don't know that information. I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: don't know if anyone does outside of his personal circle.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: Is there any possibility that Parker Kingston plays football for
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: BYU at any point this year?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 9: I can only speak my personal opinion on this, but
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 9: I hope so like I hope that he and the
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 9: you know, the Honor Code Office and BYU and everything
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 9: can figure out what's best. And I hope to see
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 9: him on the field. You know, if you told me, hey,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 9: he's not, I say, okay, I get it. But hoping
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: for the best with Parker because it is frustrating. You know,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 9: the last two years, there have been allegations, serious allegations
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 9: against boy players, neither of which were guilty in court,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 9: and so it feels, you know, you just want the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: right thing to happen for the right people, and hopefully
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 9: that does in all ways in this situation.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Back to the task at hand, the most important thing
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: at hand tonight, AJ DEBONSA and the draft. What will
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: it mean for BYU to be able to say and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: for Kevin Young to say, I have coached a number
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: one draft pick in the NBA. They're already doing well
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: on the recruiting trail, they already have a very robust
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: NIL situation happening. But what would that add in terms
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: of like a recruiting resume for BYU?
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: I think it continues to add to what Kevin Yak
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 9: said on his introductory press conference, which at the time
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 9: I was like, oh, that's a fun thought. And now
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 9: Kevin has turned it into reality, which is when he said,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 9: I want YU to be the best place for young
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 9: men to prepare for the NBA, and I thought, oh,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 9: that'd be fun. And then he brings in yegorg Yeomen
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 9: number eight, he brings in AJ number one, he brings
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  Speaker 9: in you know, he develops for Ritchie, which to me,
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  Speaker 9: Sean that is his best development card.
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  Speaker 10: He's played is Richie that you take.
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  Speaker 9: The kid from Riverton that you know he's way more
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: athletic than everybody thinks, but like he's going to be
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 9: a second round pick tonight coming off an ACL which
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  Speaker 9: the credit to his amazing work and Kevin's.
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  Speaker 10: Development with him.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 9: And then you bring in Bruce Branson third, who's a
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  Speaker 9: projected lottery pick next year, who.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 10: Knows could go super high as well. It's he said,
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  Speaker 10: it's not hypothetical.
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  Speaker 9: Like he has actually done what he said he would
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  Speaker 9: do and what is his best asset his experience in
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  Speaker 9: the NBA and these guys that come into Provo. And
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 9: we have to credit the NIL era for this because
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  Speaker 9: if there wasn't nil, I don't know if one Kevin
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  Speaker 9: Young comes here in two you know it's it's you
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 9: have to compete in that space. And you always done
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 9: a great job of entering a space they've never been in,
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  Speaker 9: which is to recruit at the highest level for non
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 9: LDS dudes that want to be in Provo want to
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  Speaker 9: be at BYU and uh it's it's a credit to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 9: those kids for taking it. Not a chance, but like
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  Speaker 9: doing something that's not super traditional.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 10: He Jay easily could have gone to Kansas or unc.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 9: Or wherever he chose BYU, which is amazing, and now
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 9: he's gonna rep the Coops for life. So it's it's
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 9: a big moment. You always have the number two pick
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 9: twice Sean Bradley off a mish, which is crazy to
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: think about, and then Mel Hutchins back in like fifty two,
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  Speaker 9: and so number one would be big.
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  Speaker 10: Even if a Jago's number two, it's.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 9: Still massive, like you're producing high end talent and hopefully
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 9: it comes together in a way this year where you
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 9: can stay healthy and make a run in March.
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  Speaker 2: Menace Jeremi, I very much look forward to these conversations
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: once again being a regular part of the show.
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  Speaker 1: I always appreciate your insight.
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  Speaker 10: My friend, Hey, I love coming on.
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  Speaker 9: Great to talk to you and listen. Soon in a
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  Speaker 9: couple of months we'll be rocking out at the Mammoth
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  Speaker 9: Games again.
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  Speaker 2: We're about to have Bear Turney on. Any questions for
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: him that you want me to pass on?
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  Speaker 9: Is Vegas the arrival now? Like after not only the
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 9: regionality of this situation, but you know the playoffs?
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  Speaker 10: Like is Vegas the rival? Are they?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 9: That's what I want to know because it feels like it, right,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: It feels like we have.
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  Speaker 1: A proper rival now, I think so.
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  Speaker 2: I hope so Vegas is very hateable for me. I'm
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  Speaker 2: all right with them being the rival.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, let's go tuss up, baby tusks up.
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  Speaker 10: Jerem, you're the man, Thank you, Thanks go Jess Go Mammoth.
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  Speaker 2: Bear Tourney, the head coach of your Utah Mammoth recently
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  Speaker 2: extended also made a change to his coaching staff. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get into that, the players in the pipeline and what's
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  Speaker 2: next for a team that made the N eighth shell
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  Speaker 1: Am, Welcome back to the Shan O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Portugal is up four zero on Who's Bekistan in World
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  Speaker 2: Portuguese in the beautiful game, but we're talking some hockey
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  Speaker 2: here on the Sean O'Connell Show. We're lucky enough to
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  Speaker 2: welcome Coach Bear Andre. Tourney of your Utah Mammoth recently extended.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: He will be here for the foreseeable future and we're
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: all very about a coach Beart.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 4: Very good yourself.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing great.
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  Speaker 2: We're having a great time this summer where I've jumped
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: on the soccer bandwagon. Not exactly my favorite sport. But
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: you know, the World Cup. I'm caught up in the wave. Coach.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's fair, and that's good. I think that's
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: that's good to have some diversity in our in our
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: back bucket. And there's the Jazz the draft tonight, so
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: that will be pretty cool as well.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be great. I think it's a great time
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: to be following sports here in our state. And one
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: of the good reasons for that is, of course your
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth team coming off a run into the playoffs,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: and now we get the good news that you have
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: reached an agreement to stay on with the club and
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: extension for you and extension for playing Forsyth and you
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: bring in Adam Foote.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: I want to start with your deal.
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  Speaker 2: Why did it make sense for you and for the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: franchise to keep this marriage going.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: Oh I canna talk for the franchise and you will
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: have to for me. I think as a no brainer.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: I think Ryan and Ashley to put uh a tremendous
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: culture around the team and to do everything right to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: make sure the player love to be here and they're
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: treated right and their family and same thing for our staff.
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  Speaker 4: So I think it's a privilege and honor to be
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: in that part of that organization and UH that is
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: a b then with those guys for for five years
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: now going on six and UH been a really good
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: run with those players. I love that group. I love
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: the leadership of our group. I love the youth and
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: the depth and the potential of our group. And we
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: have we progress together for the past five years and
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: looking to keep keep progressing. There's a lot of upside
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: in our team and it's it's exciting to be part
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: of that. To be every day in the transition with
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: those guys and looking for solution. I think that the
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: guys really bought in on UH the culture we want
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: to have, the mindset of continue improvement and so on
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: and so forth. So it's great to be somewhere when
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: you feel you can be yourself and the player buying
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: in and out, and then they're excited about it. Every
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: day we show up at the ring and we have
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: that excitement, that fun to be together and that's fun
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: to get the word. So that's where I want to be.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: And there were no doubt in my head.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously, you know you talk about progress in this team.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Only the second year in our home state of Utah,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: a run into the Stanley Cup playoffs and incredible excitement
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: and the fact, I mean being in the building for
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: playoff hockey is not something I ever would have thought
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: was possible here in a state I grew up in
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: after moving from Minnesota. But man, that atmosphere was incredible
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: and it was a really fascinating and interesting series against
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  Speaker 2: a team that ended up being obviously the runners up
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  Speaker 2: in the Stanley Cup. You guys played well against Vegas,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: obviously didn't get over the hump.
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  Speaker 1: But what did you learn about this team?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe about you know, tail end of the season or
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: in that series that you previously didn't know about your squad.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good question. I know what we we learn.
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  Speaker 4: We talk a lot. There's a difference between having knowing,
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  Speaker 4: having the knowledge, and having the wisdom. I think we
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: knew the emotion of the playoff, We knew how physical
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  Speaker 4: it is, We knew a little how much to detail.
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  Speaker 4: The little detail makes the difference. But now we lived it.
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  Speaker 4: Now we have the wisdom now where okay, I understand
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  Speaker 4: exactly what it means. I think there were a lot
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: of example, the time and space you always see, there's
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: no time in space when after the first first game especially,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: we have clar coming to us as, oh my god,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: all we can release the pressure, how can we find
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  Speaker 4: our gaming? We we we work with them a solution
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: of okay, how we can create more possession and how
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: we can release pressure, how can we can be more
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: effective offensively? And the player progress inside of that. They
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: joshin now they understand. Now they have the wisdom, So
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: we want to be back in there and the player
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: will exactly know. Okay, that's how it's going to be.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: And those are the kind of a detail who will
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: make a huge difference. It's specialty in the playoffs, so
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  Speaker 4: it's the same detail ten times more important. So I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: think now the player understand that.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was fascinating, not that any of us
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: ever had any doubt because he's a great player, but
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: like Playoff, Cooley was something to see now. It was
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: fun to watch him ratchet up his physicality and he
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: was he was excited to mix it up and and
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: obviously had some goals and some really important moments in
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: that series. But you know, when you get that out
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: of a player that you probably already had that expectation
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: of him, you already knew that he was capable of.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Something like that.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: How gratifying is it as a coach to be like, Aha,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: that's my guy, and I know I can trust him
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: next year and the next year, in the next year
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  Speaker 2: when we're back in these positions.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's another good example. You're bringing it.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: Cools has that competent mess and that IQ and there
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: were no doubt. But then cool, that's a really good
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: start of the series. And then suddenly he brought attention.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: We told him that, We told him, hey, you will
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: see now they will they will get at you, they
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: will try to disturb you, andsminate you and stuff like that.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: And then he lived him and then they were all
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: over him after Whistle and all of it. I think
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: it was good for him to live in and at
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: some point he realized, Okay, there's I knew it will happen,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: but now I understand exactly what will happen. And he
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: had a little bit of frustration because of it at
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: some point in the series, and then he got used
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: to it and he got he dealt with it the
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: right way. So that is the experience. That's what we
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: learned in that series. That's why our guys. Okay, there's
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: not revelations stuff we did not We did not know.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: It's well the commanded. If you do your own work,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: you know all the game will be played, and the
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: how tight it will be, and all physical it will be,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: and how the standard for the raft and everything will be.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: So you know that there's a difference between knowing and
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: having the wisdom because you've been there.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Bear at Turney is our guest here on the Sean
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: O'Connell show talking all things Utah Mammoth. Coach Behar has
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: recently been extended good news Adam Foote also being added
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: to your staff. What does coach foot bring to this
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: that maybe you didn't already have behind the bench.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: For is it's proofine his career is as a player
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: is well decommended. Stanley Cup winner, one of the best
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: defenders in the NHL in his era, really rock up
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: defenseman who could make a good play with the park,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: but play for Canada when the gold medal at the Olympics,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: play on the World Cup team one, two Stanley Cups,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: so all of it, there's no doubt all his knowledge.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: He's always been a player who will rely on his
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: positioning and the details of this game. So now you're
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: fast forward that as a coach, I had the opportunity
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: to coach with him when I was in Colorado and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: learn a lot from Futter on detail, positioning, mindset, thsichy
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: of the game and so on and so forth. So
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: having the opportunity to work with him again and now
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: he's more spirits. Now he's been on two coaching staff
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: who want coach of the Year in the NHL, So
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: he brings a lot. I always say coach of the year,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: it's staff of the year. It's there's contribution from from everybody.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: So with Porter brought in those two staff is really amazing.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: So having that's the opportunity to have him had it
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: will have a lot of knowledge, a lot of wisdom
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: to our coaching staff.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: Coach, You'll have to forgive me because we're all learning, uh,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: you know, first the rhythm of an NHL season, and
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: now we've got to jump on with the NHL offseason
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: and get to know exactly what your job is like
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: for these next couple of months. Is you know you
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: had after your playoff run. You've got some guys still
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: playing up in the Canadian League, some guys that are
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: in the pipeline. Gabe Smith within you know, an incredible
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: run and we saw Tja Ginla do some really nice
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: things this year. And it's exciting if you're a Utah
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Mammoth fan because you already like the bodies on the
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: roster and then you see the young some size and
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: some of this talent that's coming through. Of course, you
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: got to find a spot for all of them. But
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: what does that process look like for you between now
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: and when you're skating on home ice for the first
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: time next year.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: I think for us, I when the time where it's
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: all preparation. We finished the season and we do debriefing.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: We we look, we review everything. We review the way
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: we travel, from the way we take face off, from
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: the way we do special team five on five, all
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: the system and so on and so forth. That's extensive
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: and from there takes the two weeks and then we say, okay,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: here's the thing we maybe want to change. Example, you
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: can have your diesel coverage, but you say, okay, our
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: diesel coverage is pretty good, but there's that part that
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: our net front coverage and the diesel needs to improve
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: where our metrics are not as good, or we gave
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: goal at scheme moment, and we need to improve that. Okay.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: Who are the best team in the laget doing that? Okay,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: those are the four or five team. Okay, so let's
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: say we we assigned a coach, so okay, you will
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: study those four or five team and see what they
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: do and is there anything we can steal from them
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: or adjust in our system. And we do that for
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: multiple We have about sixteen pages of things like that
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: which we need to have, project we need to talk about,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: we need to improve. Then we leave for about two
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: weeks every coach work on those projects and then we
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: meet again and then now we see where we're at,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: what we have, a new we can bring and all
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: we can improve it. We do that and after the draft,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: after the free agency, after the deaf Cat, that will
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: take some time off. All the coaches will go, we'll
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: have their summer. Basically, they will have some time up,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: and we come back and of August and we we're
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: all kind of a review those final project and get
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: ready for training camp. So that's how the summer looks like.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the draft coming up this weekend. What is
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: the division of labor between you and Bill and everyone
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: else in that personnel department. How much are you calling
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: these guys, texting these guys like Gil Bill give you
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: this cat, I want this kid. I've seen him since
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: he was ten years old or whatever. How much how
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: much involvement do you have in either feedback input campaign
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: for your guys?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Zero? Okay? Interesting?
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: Zero? Like zero. Imagine football, if you were playing eighty
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: two games a year and you're the coach all much
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: time you have to show.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense when you put it
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: that way. Yeah, because you're you're so wrapped up in
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: what you're doing.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: Hey, we were well hundred hours a week doing what
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: we're doing. I have no time to start watching at
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: eighteen years old, or may or may not be drafted
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: and may or may may not play for US in
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: five years. Because the difference with football and a hockey
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: is the player we draft will most likely go back
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: to college or go back in junior and for two years,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: three years, four years, then play in the AHL, for
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: in the minor for US for a year or two
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: or three and then come to US. So there's it's
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: a problem. It's it's a long long way before they're
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: ready to play for US. So uh, for me to
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: start putting time in that I don't have the time.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: First and two, we have an unbelievable staff of scout
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: who see three hundred games a year each and to
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: put all their brain together, and they have the experience
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: the comparison. Okay, Logan Kooley when he was sixteen years old,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: he looks like that, this flare who we are looking
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: at and in the first round has about the same
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: quality skate like him, or so on and so forth. Snately,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: they have all those comparison, all those details of the players.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: So the scout, you have the amateur scout or responsible
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: for the draft, and then you have the pro scout
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: who they scout all the player in the NHL, in
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: the age, in the pro, in any pro league. And
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: they're looking at right here, right now, how can we
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: improve the team next year? Okay, the coach, my job
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: will be to say, Okay, that's what we need. We
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: need whatever left winger right there, golie, a part play
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: guy or whatever, we need a faceoff guy, okay to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: play in that kind of a decision. And then now
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: they go to work and they try to find which
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: candidate in the league could fill up that role and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: now which one can be available, you know, by free
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: agency or trade, and now we're starting to build a puzzle.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: I'm part of those discussions, but I'm not part of
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: the discussion on the amateur side.
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  Speaker 2: Last thing before I let you go, Coach, from a
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: fan perspective, it feels like there's maybe at least the
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: beginnings of a rivalry building with the Vegas Golden Knights.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Do you get that sense on the bench and with
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: your players?
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  Speaker 4: We want to hate all of them. We want to
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: have thirty one team we hate. That's what we want
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: for sure. When you play in the playoffs, that's where
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: you build your rivarry, that's where you start job at
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: imosity with the opponent and start to hate them a
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: little bit more. But I think we're really competitive. We're
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: looking at Vegas as a team we want to be
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: because we want to beat everybody, for sure, but it's
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: a team. We're taking a lot of pride to play
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: art against them. To look at Colorado, it's another team,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: and so on and so forth. So yes, we want
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: to be a really competitive and Vegas is on the list.
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  Speaker 2: Coach, appreciate you giving us some time today. Congratulations on
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: the extension. Congratulations on a great season and a run
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: into the playoffs. We cannot wait to see what is next.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: We are all on the mammoth bandwagon here in Salt Lake.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, thank you, I appreciate it.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: Have a great day, Joe, Thank you.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: Bear Turning Andre Turning coach Bear. One of.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: One of the big pieces of news here in the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: state is that he is staying on. Adam Foot is
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: coming on. Blane Forsyth, his lead assistant, is staying on
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: continuity on the coaching staff for a young group that
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: again has continue to climb this ladder into the playoffs,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: and the expectation for a coach bearon company will be
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: that you win a series next year. Love picking his brain,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: hearing about there's a difference between the knowledge and the wisdom, right,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: you know what it's gonna be like, But then until
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: you experience how it is, you're like, oh, okay, I
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: love this story about Cooley.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: You know, Cooley knew the.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Coaching staff was able to tell him as soon as
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: you start hot in this series, they're gonna mark you,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: They're gonna start paying attention to you. It's gonna be
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit different now, he knows how that actually goes,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: and Cooley will be much better equipped for it. Big
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: thanks to Coach Bear for the Utah Mammoth for setting
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: that thing up. And don't ask him about what prospects
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: he likes in the draft, which, you know what, very
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: logical explanation, Miami, Like what time do I have, I
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: mean be looking at sixteen year olds? Well, especially because
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: like you've got your eighty two games slate, right, but
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: you already have the guys that are in the pipeline
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: that are closer to the finished product. Right, There's no
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: as far as we know, there's no like maclan Celebrini
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: in this draft. There's no Macklin Celebrini currently in the pipeline.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: Whereas he's a seventeen year old kid that's ready to
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: take the next step. You got something close to that
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: potentially with a teenage Tiji Ginla or with a Gabe
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: Smith or something like that. But those are going to
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: be the things that draw your attention, not some random
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: kid playing for whatever college or whatever junior team in Canada.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he would love to spend some time doing it,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't have the time to do it. So
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: I appreciate all the explanation from coach Bear. All right,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: I want to dive back. We touched on this with
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: Jerem Jordan and we've got Byron Bader coming on at
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: one o'clock to talk about the prospects in this upcoming
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: hockey draft. But I want to take the next segment.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about the Brendan Sorsby situation again.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: Mental draft that he was banking on as his sort
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: of outlet is not happening.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: And there's a reason for it. We'll tell you what
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: it is. Next.
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• 1:33:37
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• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: NBA Draft tonight, We've got a show at the engine room,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: thirteen eighty eight South, three hundred West. Myself, Spence, Gordy
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Smitty getting excited for the Jazz picking at number two
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: the NHL draft. The Mammoths have seven picks, including number
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: nineteen in the first round. We'll talk with Byron Bader
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: here in just a moment. News broke earlier in the
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: show today, as we're watching Portugal up five to nil
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: on Huzbekistan, who I think I had winning the group,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: So that one hurts me, but I guess good for
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Christiano Ronaldo and company. News broke that Brendan Soresby will
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: not have the option to go to an NFL supplemental
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: draft because it is under the collective barring Agreement. It's
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: under sole discretion of the NFL by the NFL whether
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: or not to even conduct a supplemental draft, and they
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: are declining the option to conduct a supplemental draft this year.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: They're doing it to continue punishing Brendan Soorsby or to
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: send a message about the gambling and involvement of it.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: And if you have any doubts about that, I'm retweeting
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: this right now. It is the statement obtained by sub
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: media outlet exactly what the NFL sent to Brendan Soorsby.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: It's too long for me to read the whole thing
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: on the air, but it explains in one paragraph how
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: the collective Bargaining Agreement allows the league to retain sole discretion.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: If you are going to appeal for a supplemental draft,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: you have to provide documentation as to why, and the
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: NFL took the opportunity.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Here, which I kind of love.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: To sort of use this refusal as a little lecture
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: to the legal team and to Britain Sooresby himself. The
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: sole reason you identified in your petition for seeking entry
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: to the supplemental draft or that you had been declared
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: ineligible by the NCABLEA and have exhausted all of your
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: avenues to pursue the NCABLEA and want to play in
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: the NFL. The petition provides no information regarding the basis
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: for or timing up the NCAA's decision. Public sources, however,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: indicate that May twenty six, the NCAA issued a determination
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: declaring you permanently ineligible for participation in college athletics based
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: on a sustained pattern of improper gambling activity during your
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: collegiate career at three different universities. The league does not
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: have the complete record of the NCAA's investigation, and you
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: did not provide any such materials with your petition. Available
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: information nonetheless indicates that, over the course of your collegiate career,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: you knowingly engage in repeated and significant violations of NCAA
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: rules designed to preserve the integrity of athletic competition. Reported
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: conduct includes placing wagers on your own team and teammates,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: and to avoid detection, establishing or funding accounts in the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: names of intermediaries who place bets on your behalf. There
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: are also reports that you may have violated state criminal laws.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: So what happened is, as far.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: As you can deduce from the NFL's response, is that
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: Brendan Sooresby and his legal team, having exhausted their possibilities
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: in the NCAA, basically declared Michael Scott's style that they
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: want to play in the NFL.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Either bankruptcy.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: You sent a note to the NFL saying I want
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: to play in the NFL, no respect to the fact
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: that this might be a little bit of a lift
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: in convincing them, no due diligence to make sure that
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: you had a proper understanding of how and why they
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: would determine whether or not you were allowed to be
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: in a supplemental draft. If I'm Brendan Soorsby right now,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: this is the first l we've seen Jeffrey Kessler take
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: in a long time. That's your attorney. If I'm Brendan Sorsby,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just being like, oh, look look what you didn't do.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: You didn't take into account the fact that the NFL
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: might have a problem with this, and you didn't send
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: them all the necessary documentation. It's not like the documents
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: are not out there. And in this somewhat snarky response
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: from the NFL, they're like, you.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Didn't send us any of this stuff.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: However, public information indicates this, So no documentation from the
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: actual concern parties. But the NFL knows how to google,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: and they have already been following this and they're just like,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: we know what you were up to, you idiot, and and.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: Uh, breaking news, but not really. Darren Heidner has now
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: provided Brendan Sooresby with all that documentation and said I
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: I can file this for you.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: Darren Heidner wants nothing more than to be involved in
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: every college football score. He's tweeted about, every piece of
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: breaking news. He's quote tweeted or replied, sub tweeted every
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: piece of breaking news with this, with this Brendan Soursby story.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: If you've if you followed any of that. He is
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: thirsty for being the Jeffrey Kessler in this situation, and
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: there might be an opening for him.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: I will I will tell you, like he's someone you
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: gotta give credit where it's due. He recognized a niche
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: that needed to be filled and he put himself in that.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: He's with this NIL stuff. By the way, if you're
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: not following, you don't know who Darren Heidener is. He's
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: an another attorney who's represented a lot of athletes and
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: in lawsuits, particularly in an NIL space like you talk.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: And his whole stance is basically that NCAA athletics is
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: slave labor and that the kids should be able to
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: get whatever they want whenever they want. It's his whole
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: legal standing on all this stuff, and he's he's pretty
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: absurd about it. But speaking of Jeffrey Kessler, here's a
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: very predictable but also I'm sure the NFL's laughing at
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: this response. It's the decision, he told the ESPN, the
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: NFL's decision to not hold a supplemental draft is quote
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: a violation of the CBA and the law. We will
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: pursue this immediately with the NFL PA, the Players Association,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: like the NFL is gonna be like good luck, it's fun,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: and then the other I guess what won't happen. This
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: will not have any kind of resolution before the season begins.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: So what what?
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: Eventually what they're doing is there going to sue the
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: NFL who he wants to play for? By the way, yeah,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're Brandon Soresby, the best thing you
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: can do right now for yourself is fire your lawyers.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: Probably you have to because you already lost the fight
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: with the Big twelve. Right, No one in the Big
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: twelve is going to bring you back. We've determined that
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: if you go quietly about your business, continue your rehab
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: for a gambling addiction.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: Maybe, like you said, you'll have to be next spring,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: but maybe you sign on with the UFL team.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: You won't even have to wait until next spring. Just
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: go out there, hire like the number one trainer. You
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: have the money. Texas Tech's not coming to get your
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: money back, right, Yeah, you have the money, Go hire
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: the number one quarterback trainer. Go talk to Peyton Manning
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: and Eli Manning, go like, get yourself in with all
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: the people that you need to to put you in
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: the NFL's good graces, don't sue the NFL, and just
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: and just be like, you know what, guys, uh maya Kulpa,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have done the gambling thing. I'm serving my punishment.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: I'm doing my time. And when the next draft rolls around,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be like, well, arch Manning is going number one,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: and so and so's going number two. But you're gonna
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: eventually come to it and be like, man this quarterback,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: before there was a whole scandal around him, he actually
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: had some decent some decent numbers. Like just if you're
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: if you're trying to make yourself a story, the NFL
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: is going to blacklist you.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: That's what they do.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: If you do anything controversial in opposition to the NFL's decision,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: they blacklist you. And so far they have been kind
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: of undefeated in that regard. Name one party if you
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: can't eight seven seven three five threes zero seven hundred
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: one example of when someone has decided they're going to
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: go to war with the NFL and it has worked
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: out for them long term.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't work.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: I have to read this last statement because it's the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: whole reason, the whole thing, the thinking behind why Brendan
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: Sowarsby should just be like, Man, I gotta take this
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: l and I gotta put my nose to the grindstone
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: and I just got to work my way back into
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: being a football player instead of this kid associated with gambling.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: This is the last paragraph of the response to Brendan
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Soorsby on his appeal to be in the supplemental Draft.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: As commiscialer, Goodell has emphasized, participation in the NFL is
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: a privilege that carries with it significant responsibilities, including accountability.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: By all accounts, you are talented player with the potential
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: for future success. We encourage you to focus on preparing
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: for possible entry into the NFL through the twenty twenty
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: seven draft. Accountability the NFL is a privilege that carries
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: with it significant responsibilities, including accountability. That is what college
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: football and now the NFL are asking of Brendan Soresby,
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: and what Texas Tech and his attorneys and everyone around
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: him is trying to prevent him from facing, trying to
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: protect him from the accountability that's all people want, that's
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: all any of us want.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: I don't wish you ill, Brendan Soresby.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: I just want you to have to operate under the
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: same rules as everyone else.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: And because we're talking about.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: It again, I will emphasize I want the NFL and
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: I want the NCAA to keep this kind of energy.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: With other criminal charges, with other criminal issues that people have,
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: I want them to say, we demand accountability for your actions.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: We demand accountability for your indiscretions, we demand accountability for
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: your crimes. Go do your time. Boom will welcome you
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: with open arms. But right now you've got to fix
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: your You know what, I love that letter from the NFL.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: Print it out and frame it. Make your high school
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: kid that doesn't know about accountability read it eight seven
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seven hundred.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: I always love to hear from you.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: Any thoughts you have on this printed Sorsby situation are welcome.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: Gotta take a break. We'll come back with Byron Batter.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: It's an NBA draft tonight. The NHL Draft is coming
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: this weekend. We'll talk a little hockey prospecting with Byron Batter.
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  Speaker 2: Next on the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to the show O'Connell Show on ESPN
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• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: Hockeyprospecting dot Com as we get ready for not only
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: tonight's NBA Draft, where the Utah Jazz have the number
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: two pick, but this weekend an NHL draft where the
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth have seven picks, including number nineteen overall.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Byron Batter, Welcome to the show. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 4: I'm great.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing all right?
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  Speaker 2: You know, we have we're a new hockey market still
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  Speaker 2: here in Salt Lake City, and we've kind of jumped
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  Speaker 2: on this bandwagon and people are starting to pay attention
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  Speaker 2: to hockey prospects the way that they have basketball and
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  Speaker 2: football prospects. But still, you know, it's an uneducated eye
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  Speaker 2: for the most part. How deep, how good, how momentous?
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  Speaker 2: Is this upcoming draft class in the eyes of hockey experts, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 11: Would say it's a pretty good draft class in terms
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  Speaker 11: of like the you know, star potential, the offensive potential
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  Speaker 11: that it has. Where it's kind of lacking is there's
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  Speaker 11: not very many centers to it, especially at the top level,
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  Speaker 11: Like even the kind of available centers might not be
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  Speaker 11: of that star variety. But it has a lot of
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  Speaker 11: you know, really offensive star defenceman potential as well as
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  Speaker 11: at the wing. So yeah, I think it's pretty deep
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  Speaker 11: in terms of what you could get, especially like a
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  Speaker 11: team like Utah at pick nineteen, but it just it's
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  Speaker 11: kind of lacking, you know, that most important center position.
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  Speaker 11: I would say, So sitting.
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  Speaker 2: At nineteen, this this man a team are They've got
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  Speaker 2: a pretty robust pipeline as it stands right now, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of young guys on the rise, maybe a couple
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  Speaker 2: of them that will see become staples on the NHL
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  Speaker 2: roster after you know, minor league stints in Canada and
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  Speaker 2: other places.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not exact.
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  Speaker 2: We had coach barro on earlier, but he you know,
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  Speaker 2: he's wrapped up in all of his own stuff. He
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  Speaker 2: lets the scouting department handle their own thing. Do you
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  Speaker 2: have a good sense of where this team might pick
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  Speaker 2: at nine, what they're looking for at nineteen.
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  Speaker 11: Just I mean just based on their prospect pool and
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  Speaker 11: kind of what it looks like. You know, they have
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  Speaker 11: some pretty good bets that wing with the Ginla and
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  Speaker 11: Boot coming up, and then they have you know, Bauduay
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  Speaker 11: and Denoine at center, so I would figure that they're
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  Speaker 11: probably at nineteen especially, and because this is such a
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  Speaker 11: deep like pool for demon, I think they're gonna probably
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  Speaker 11: go for a demon at that spot because there's a
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  Speaker 11: bunch of de men that normally wouldn't be available that late,
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  Speaker 11: but they're probably gonna, you know, some of them will
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  Speaker 11: fall this year, especially the ones that are maybe a
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  Speaker 11: little bit undersized and that type of thing. So I
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  Speaker 11: think there's gonna be a lot of good bets that
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  Speaker 11: are available to them. So my guess is they're they're
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  Speaker 11: going to kind of look for an offensive demon at
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  Speaker 11: that spot.
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  Speaker 2: On your Twitter you talk about Caleb Danoier, who you know,
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  Speaker 2: we've started to really put him on the radar as
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  Speaker 2: a guy that sooner than later will be a piece
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  Speaker 2: of this Mammoth roster. And you mentioned he had a
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  Speaker 2: nice a nice jump in production this last year after
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  Speaker 2: being drafted fourth overall by the Utah Mammoth in last
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  Speaker 2: year's draft. Your thoughts on him and how long it'll
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  Speaker 2: be before he's a staple on an NHL roster.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, No, I think he had a really I mean,
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  Speaker 11: he's had basically perfect development in terms of how I
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  Speaker 11: look at it in terms of a production standpoint, basically
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  Speaker 11: since his his pre draft year all the way up
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  Speaker 11: to his post draft year. It's like a perfect trajectory.
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  Speaker 11: And he's, you know, a really young center prospect, good size,
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  Speaker 11: So I would say he's probably maybe he makes the
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  Speaker 11: team out of camp, but he's probably another year away.
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  Speaker 11: And then yeah, hopefully you can kind of slot right
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  Speaker 11: in there with that young mammoth cor and start to
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  Speaker 11: grow with him and kind of maybe even like start
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  Speaker 11: to in a few years, especially like push Nick Schmaltz
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  Speaker 11: down the lineup and kind of be their one. Se
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  Speaker 11: is probably the overall goal, But I'd say he's probably
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  Speaker 11: still another year out, But I really I love the
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  Speaker 11: way he's going and the trajectory so far.
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  Speaker 2: You get a sense in other professional sports, especially the
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  Speaker 2: ones that we're a lot more familiar with here, of
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  Speaker 2: like how much you can trust the Cleveland Browns and
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: the New York Jets when it comes to drafting. Right
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz are drafting number two tonight and they've
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  Speaker 2: had kind of mixed success when they're at the top
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  Speaker 2: of the draft on choosing the right kind of guys
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  Speaker 2: in your opinion, who does it best? Who handles the
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  Speaker 2: drafting process, not even necessarily the development that happens after,
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  Speaker 2: but which teams in the NHL do you trust most
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  Speaker 2: that they're gonna identify talent, use the career, spot the
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  Speaker 2: correct pick on, you know, that that appropriate level of talent,
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  Speaker 2: and then maybe we'll see them on ANHL ice eventually.
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  Speaker 1: Who's the best at this?
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  Speaker 11: It's an interesting question because it's it's not really consistent,
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  Speaker 11: Like it's not being like a team that's done it right,
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  Speaker 11: like for like the last you know, three four decades.
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  Speaker 11: It's always kind of like comes in waves. So a
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  Speaker 11: team will do it right for five years and then
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  Speaker 11: they'll kind of pull away from it and then you know,
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  Speaker 11: maybe the GM gets fired and he goes to another
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  Speaker 11: area and then they kind of ramp it up, and
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  Speaker 11: so it's not really a consistent thing. But i'd say
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  Speaker 11: of recent like call it the last five or six years,
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  Speaker 11: the Carolina Hurricanes probably leading the charge there because they
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  Speaker 11: never really have a top pick. They haven't chosen in
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  Speaker 11: like the top ten in years, and they don't often
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  Speaker 11: even have a first round pick, and they just won
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  Speaker 11: the Cup and they always have this pretty good system,
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  Speaker 11: but they they have some something going on there, Like
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  Speaker 11: they're probably looking at the data in a similar way
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  Speaker 11: that I do. And you know, they have all their
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  Speaker 11: quantstant that work over there in Carolina and they've they've
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  Speaker 11: been really good at, you know, even picking in the
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  Speaker 11: second third round where they're kind of taking the undervalue
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  Speaker 11: guy that's that everybody else is kind of staying away from,
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  Speaker 11: you know, the Russian prospects or the smaller prospects. They're
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  Speaker 11: picking those guys and their system even though they're Stanley
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  Speaker 11: Cup champions, like they have no real blue chip like
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  Speaker 11: A plus prospects in their system, but they have a
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  Speaker 11: ton of like NHL caliber prospects that they can just
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  Speaker 11: kind of put in and fill a hole. And and
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  Speaker 11: they always sort of dip into that pool every year
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  Speaker 11: and they keep it replenished and they keep it stock full.
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  Speaker 11: So yeah, I would say they'd certainly be the best
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  Speaker 11: of recent times, last five years or so.
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  Speaker 2: Byron Beata, our guest here from Hockeyprospecting dot Com previewing
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  Speaker 2: and upcoming NHL Draft, and of course the development of
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  Speaker 2: these prospects through the pipeline for the Utah Mammoth. Uh
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  Speaker 2: Tija Ginla was the first Utah draft pick after the
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  Speaker 2: franchise move here from Arizona.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the fans jumping on the bandwagon, getting excited,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: and you were rewarded with a recognizable name at least
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: we know Againla, even if you're not a hardcore hockey
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: type person, that's one you can recognize. And he had
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: the hip problems and the surgeries and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But his production at the junior level has been pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 2: How long until you see him skating on NHL ice?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 11: I don't think he's far off off at all. You know,
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  Speaker 11: he has that that pedigree from from the name, and
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 11: like you said, he kind of had the injuries, so
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 11: he's sort of stalled out a little bit kind of
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  Speaker 11: post draft that that first season post draft, but this
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 11: year he took a big step forward. You know, he
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  Speaker 11: was he was big in the World Juniors and all that.
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  Speaker 11: So I would say he's probably going to be in
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  Speaker 11: the NHL next year, whether that's he's you know, in
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  Speaker 11: there from camp right away, or if it's maybe he
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 11: goes to the h for twenty games or half a
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  Speaker 11: season type thing and then he's up there.
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  Speaker 4: But just it's kind of growing.
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  Speaker 11: And kind of rapidly developing, and the hype around him
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 11: and stuff. I think he's going to get a decent
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  Speaker 11: shot this year.
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  Speaker 10: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: You started this business. This is you.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: Hockey prospecting is your baby, this is your thing, and
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: like we're just kind of scratching the surface in realizing
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  Speaker 2: how extensive this process is. You've got international prospects, you've
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: got American college prospects, You've got this whole thing where
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: you get drafted, then you go back and you play
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: somewhere else, and it's just, I mean, it's a lot
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  Speaker 2: like Major League Baseball, where maybe you're the number one
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: pick but we don't see you for five years, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe you're like a Macklin Celabrini, you're the number one
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: pick and you're ready right now. Byron, why why is
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  Speaker 2: this your passion project? Why is this the thing you
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: decided to do.
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  Speaker 11: I don't know, like I've always kind of been a
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  Speaker 11: big stats guy, even when I was a little kid.
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  Speaker 11: I just loved, you know, looking at hockey and different
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 11: stats and tracking and stuff, and I just kind of
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  Speaker 11: I fell into this thing with prospects and looking at
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  Speaker 11: this sort of you know, the way I.
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  Speaker 4: Built this model.
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  Speaker 11: I'm an analytics guy, and I was looking at these
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 11: numbers and looking at players coming up, and I was
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 11: kind of looking at, you know, this equivalency number, which
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 11: is essentially this normalized number that you take all these
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 11: different leagues and they all have these different translations of
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 11: how production from that league leads to the NHL. And
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 11: then I kind of was looking at it and I
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 11: was looking at players coming up, Like Johnny Gudreau was
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  Speaker 11: one of the big ones for me as a Calgary guy,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 11: and he was just making these like massive jumps in
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 11: college and everybody was super excited about him. And then
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  Speaker 11: he made the NHL and about ten games in you
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  Speaker 11: could just see, oh, yeah, this guy's going to be
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  Speaker 11: a superstar, and he turned into one. So I was
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  Speaker 11: kind of wondering, you know, is that what like a
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 11: superstar looks like before the moment before they make the
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 11: NHL is kind of where it started from. And then
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 11: I just started looking at these numbers and developing a
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 11: model over several years, and then sure enough, you know,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 11: as I got more and more data, it was just
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 11: kind of proved out. Like you know, the game kind
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 11: of changes over the decades, but these certain archetypes of
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 11: players are these certain looks of players in terms of
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  Speaker 11: their sort of normalized production, and you know at what
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  Speaker 11: age they're doing it, like, it's very consistent, and these
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 11: players tend to make the NHL. And then you know,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 11: these different types of players tend to become superstars. So
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  Speaker 11: it just kind of naturally happened. I've always been an
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  Speaker 11: analytics guy and a numbers guy and just fell into it.
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  Speaker 11: And yeah, I've been been going with it for about
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  Speaker 11: six years now. So it's been a fun ride.
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  Speaker 1: What are your numbers?
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  Speaker 2: And I already referenced him, but Maclen Celebrini makes me
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: nervous because you got where this, you know, this Western
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: Conference team here in Utah and the Sharks have what
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  Speaker 2: their third top four pick in the last three drafts
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: or something coming up, and obviously Maclin is special. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at him and I'm seeing the names that
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  Speaker 2: he's putting his his own name next to guys that
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: have achieved as much as he has this early in
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  Speaker 2: their careers, and I'm like, oh, man, are we watching
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of like one of the all time greats?
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  Speaker 2: Is this going to be someone that prevents a Utah
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: Mammoth team, you know, three four, five years from now
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  Speaker 2: from being real Cup contenders because they're going up against
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  Speaker 2: one of the great ones. What does your model in
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  Speaker 2: your eyes tell you about Maclin?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean model wise, you know, at the time
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  Speaker 11: in the draft, he has this look. I call this
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 11: the kind of certain certain superstars, certain star looks. So
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 11: everybody who's ever looked like this in the model going
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 11: into the draft has basically turned into a point for
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 11: Dames superstar. So that's exactly what he looked like at
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  Speaker 11: the draft. So I kind of wasn't too surprised that
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  Speaker 11: he kind of immediately hit the scene and you know,
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  Speaker 11: started putting up one hundred point seasons and that type
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  Speaker 11: of thing. Yeah, I think you're absolutely looking at, you know,
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  Speaker 11: one of the next greats. You know, the Connor McDavid's,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 11: the Sydney Crosby's, the Alexovechkins, and yeah, I think he's
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  Speaker 11: going to be a big problem for a lot of
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 11: teams in the Western Conference, and you know the San
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 11: Jose prospect pool. Also, Celebrini's sort of graduated out of
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 11: it now and Will Smith is graduated out of it,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 11: but they're still so stocked up and they have the
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 11: second overall pick this year, so I think they are
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 11: going to be a very big problem over the next decade,
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  Speaker 11: and Celebrini is certainly going to be leading that charge.
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  Speaker 11: Is one of the best in the game for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Who's Toronto going to take number one?
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  Speaker 11: I mean I've heard it's it's gonna be McKenna, which
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  Speaker 11: I don't think would be the wrong choice because I mean,
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  Speaker 11: he's he's one of these these guys in the model
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 11: that looks like a certain superstar as well. I mean,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 11: he's not the center position, he's not the fastest, but
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 11: he can slow the game down to his pace and
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 11: just has unreal vision. So you know, if Austin Matthews
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 11: is staying there for a while, I think he would
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 11: be a great setup man for Matthews to get back
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 11: to that you know, sixty sixty goal mark again and
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 11: then you have Stenberg, who's the other option, who also
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 11: looks really really good in the model, more of a
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 11: two way guy, but maybe not as offensively gifted as McKenna.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 11: But I mean, all all indications like it's McKenna. I mean,
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  Speaker 11: I've even read reports that they've already told that him
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 11: himself that they're gonna they're gonna pick him. So I
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 11: think they're gonna make it nice, nice and easy and
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 11: pick McKennon on draft night for sure.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a draft or pipeline or prospects question.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: But the ka Chucks are now teammates in Florida after
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: a trade sent Brady to join his brother. Your thoughts
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: on that and not only you know, brothers getting to
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: play together. Great, it's a fun like family story, but
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: what it means hockey wise for Florida.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm from Calgary, so I
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 11: live the Matthew Kachuck to Florida trade. And then when
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 11: the Brady one broke the other day, it was kind
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 11: of surprise him but not really like it was kind
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 11: of the same feel in Ottawa there when he was
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 11: knocked out of the playoffs. He's saying things in the
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 11: media but things are kind of coming out and just
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 11: you know, his demeter and stuff, and then everything with
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 11: like the Olympic team and stuff. It just seemed like
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 11: he kind of wanted to change. And they've talked about
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 11: for years, I mean, both of them playing together, and
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 11: they've always loved that, you know, playing on Team USA
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 11: and the different like USC teams have been put together.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 11: You could tell that they really wanted to play together.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 11: And here we are. So, I mean Florida was already
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 11: a juggernaut, and I mean they missed the playoffs this year,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 11: but like they have more stars than anybody, they kind
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 11: of are managed to fit them all in there. So
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 11: I think they're going to rebound next year and be
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 11: right back in there in the in the contender conversation.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 11: And and Brady like, I think he's a great fit
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 11: for maybe you know, one spot that they're missing that
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 11: sort of grit and size and and scoring touch and
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 11: just feistiness around the net. So I think he's like
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 11: a perfect ad for them. And yeah, they might be
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 11: looking at another Stanley Cup here in a year or two.
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  Speaker 2: So Byron, appreciate your time and all your expertise and knowledge,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: Enjoy the draft, and we'll catch up soon.
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  Speaker 11: Thank you very much.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: Byronbater Hockeyprospecting dot Com. He thinks that the Mammoth maybe
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: go defenseman at number nineteen seven picks in this upcoming draft.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: NHL Draft begins on Thursday, continues into Friday, and the
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: Mammoth are probably not drafting an immediate impact type player,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: more of a draft and stash let him develop, like
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: we've seen from the guys recently. But the acceleration of
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: this development all around the league, but certainly within the
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: Mammoth organization is something to keep an eye on as well.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: Big thanks to Byron Batter for hopping on. We'll do
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: the day dump next, we'll do some cross talk with
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully we get a cool announcement of sometime NBA Draft tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Uh taking place against the backdrop of a massive blockbuster
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  Speaker 2: trade that just went down in the NBA. Ya Ante Devinkumpo,
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  Speaker 2: the Greek Freak will be headed to Miami. In exchange,
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  Speaker 2: You've got a trove of players heading back to Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Harrow and Imy Hawkes Junior and a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: these individuals and three first round draft picks, second round
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  Speaker 2: draft pick pick swap in what that was in twenty
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  Speaker 2: thirty or something. So a haul going back to Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 2: but a bit of a reset for Milwaukee and Jannis
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  Speaker 2: now teaming up with Bam and Company down in Miami
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  Speaker 2: to try to chase championships.
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  Speaker 1: Pat Riley.
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  Speaker 2: Has now acquired Lebron, James, Chris Bosh, Jannis, Alonzo Mourning,
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  Speaker 2: and Shaquille O'Neal for the Miami Heat in trades. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: Lebront or free agency, I suppose freatency.
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  Speaker 1: He's acquired.
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  Speaker 2: He's acquired those Uh that is you did you say
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler too, That's I did not say Jimmy Butler
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: That's six Hall of Fame players.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, even Gore on drags not wait, he doesn't belong
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  Speaker 3: on that list, but a really good player for them.
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  Speaker 1: That he He said it before.
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  Speaker 2: I bring up Gore on dragics because when he when
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  Speaker 2: he traded for him from the Phoenix Suns with ten
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  Speaker 2: years ago or so, he said in I believe it
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  Speaker 2: was an ESPN article that he would rather trade or
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  Speaker 2: acquire proven stars than build.
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  Speaker 1: Through the draft.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Pat, which course, and but he's following that blueprint
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  Speaker 2: once again. He's obviously has the locale that's an advantage,
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  Speaker 2: and he has the fact that he is Pat Bleeping
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  Speaker 2: Riley and all those championship rings that he has.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's his advantage too.
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  Speaker 2: That you can't really do that everywhere, particularly like Salt
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  Speaker 2: Lake City is an example of that. But I mean
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  Speaker 2: you have to give him credit for taking it, for
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  Speaker 2: taking advantage of all of those edges that he has.
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  Speaker 2: And again he lands another superstar in his prime. Think
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  Speaker 2: of where he worked as a coach. Right, he's a
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  Speaker 2: big market guy. Absolutely, He's not like La New York Miami.
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  Speaker 2: If he's working in La New York or Miami, pat
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  Speaker 2: Riley has everything he needs. And like Miami a smaller
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  Speaker 2: market than the other two. But it's not it's a
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  Speaker 2: desirable market. It's desirable market compared to the like Florida
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  Speaker 2: has a much lower tax liability than like California does. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: uh So, Giannis to Miami, that's a big one. And
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  Speaker 2: the NBA draft tonight, now that this means with the
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  Speaker 2: with the trade that Milwaukee has two first round draft
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  Speaker 2: picks this year in a deep draft. We've talked about
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  Speaker 2: the top four of the top.
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  Speaker 1: Five quite a bit.
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  Speaker 2: There are a lot of people think that all the
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  Speaker 2: way down through like twenty this is one of the
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  Speaker 2: deeper drafts that we've had, and that you're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: be able to really hurt yourself in that regard. So
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  Speaker 2: it could be I mean, timely smart for Milwaukee to
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  Speaker 2: make this trade when the relationship with Giannis had obviously soured.
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  Speaker 2: There there's a bit of a controversy in the behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes here, and I'm sure the NBA at some
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  Speaker 2: point will have to investigate this. But the conspiracy out
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  Speaker 2: there is that Yannis always intended to go to Miami.
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  Speaker 2: He was never taking Boston very seriously, but he put
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  Speaker 2: Boston on his quote unquote trade friendly list because he
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  Speaker 2: is a stakeholder in Calshi, one of these prediction markets,
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  Speaker 2: and the more traffic that they get, the more money
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  Speaker 2: Yannis makes as a stakeholder. So if people are going
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  Speaker 2: to these predictions and they're saying, I think that he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna end up in Boston, I think he's gonna end
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  Speaker 2: up in Miami if he's driving some uncertainty, if there's
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  Speaker 2: doubt on that outcome, obviously there's more action on that
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  Speaker 2: outcome on a prediction market.
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  Speaker 1: So there are people out there.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently rumor someone close to the situation was just like
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  Speaker 2: he always he really didn't have Boston on his trade list.
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  Speaker 2: He just put it on there so that they could
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  Speaker 2: drive traffic to the bets on where.
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  Speaker 1: He will end up.
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  Speaker 3: Another thought, he is not the GM of the Milwaukee Bucks,
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  Speaker 3: so he actually didn't have much say in where he
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  Speaker 3: was being traded, but he did have plenty of Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean they were not gonna had a trade, but
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  Speaker 3: we've seen it We've seen it over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe the Bucks because he's going out with a
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  Speaker 3: good relationship, just won a title for them a few
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  Speaker 3: years ago. Now, maybe maybe they're willing. They were a
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  Speaker 3: lot more willing than a lot of teams were are
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  Speaker 3: to trade into a place where they're going to be.
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  Speaker 3: But all so, we've seen plenty of examples even in
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  Speaker 3: those good relationships uh scenarios. Good star player has a
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  Speaker 3: good relationship with the team that he's about to leave
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  Speaker 3: where they go. Sorry, I know this team was at
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  Speaker 3: the top of your list, but this team gave us
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  Speaker 3: a better package, so I don't I'm not sure there's
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  Speaker 3: much to that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure either, but it's an interesting thought.
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  Speaker 2: Vegas might be an NBA city and an NHL city,
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  Speaker 2: and an NFL city and a Major League Baseball city.
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  Speaker 1: So Vegas, a.
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  Speaker 2: Decade after a lot of us thought they'll never have
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  Speaker 2: any professional sports teams, are probably gonna have the Big
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  Speaker 2: Four plus a w NBA team plus there there's still
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  Speaker 2: a combat sports capital.
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  Speaker 1: Like they're gonna be. These the sports capitals of the world.
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  Speaker 2: If you get all four of the major franchises in
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  Speaker 2: the United States and you have one of the best
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  Speaker 2: WNBA franchises, and you're you've got a Formula one race,
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  Speaker 2: and you've got you're the headquarters of the UFC. You
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  Speaker 2: are the sports capital of the US. You at I
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  Speaker 2: forget about the Formula one. They've got that every year.
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  Speaker 2: In Vegas. Bill Foley, who is the owner of the
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  Speaker 2: Vegas Knights, has put in a for or will put
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  Speaker 2: in a former bid uh for the NBA to explore
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  Speaker 2: expansion into Las Vegas. According to Adam Silver, Vegas and
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  Speaker 2: Seattle are the only target markets that the NBA is
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  Speaker 2: going to look at this round. Yeah, so Bill Foley
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  Speaker 2: made an announcement. There's some hockey insiders who cover the
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  Speaker 2: Golden Knights who who have made who have confirmed this,
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  Speaker 2: And Adam Silver was on the Dan Patrick Show just
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  Speaker 2: coincidentally today. They did not ask about Bill Foley, but
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  Speaker 2: as I was listening, I'm like, oh, this kind of
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  Speaker 2: adds to the conversation. He confirmed again that the Vegas
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  Speaker 2: and Seattle are the only markets that they are considering
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  Speaker 2: bids for expansion right now. He said a lot of
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  Speaker 2: us have taken that as okay, well then they're they're
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  Speaker 2: getting teams, which is probably the case. But he said
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  Speaker 2: that the fact that they have voted to say we're
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  Speaker 2: considering bids for them does not mean that expansion is
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  Speaker 2: actually coming in.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that both places will be will get
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  Speaker 3: teams at the same time. He's like, there's a chance
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  Speaker 3: there's gonna be another vote. There's always a chance that
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  Speaker 3: only one of those markets gets one. There's a chance
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  Speaker 3: that we decide when you know, when we vote again
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  Speaker 3: that okay, it's not a good time for expansion, but
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  Speaker 3: they are considering bids. And Bill Foley obviously a power
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  Speaker 3: player with owning the Vegas Golden Knights. I mean, he
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  Speaker 3: probably would be a good owner for this NBA team.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give all you a spoiler alert. The NBA
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  Speaker 2: is gonna expand. Yeah, and they're gonna go to Vegas
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  Speaker 2: and Seattle, and then they're gonna expand again in four
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  Speaker 2: or five years, and they're gonna give Vancouver another franchise
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  Speaker 2: or something, and they're gonna go to Nashville if they
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  Speaker 2: don't move Memphis to Nashville. I mean, this is for
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  Speaker 2: billionaires and for these leagues. This is a license to
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  Speaker 2: print money. Professional sports in the United State States is almost.
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  Speaker 1: A foolproof business.
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  Speaker 2: Right now because of the structure of these leagues and
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  Speaker 2: revenue share and television deals and all that stuff. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's almost foolproof. These are profit hungry individuals, and the
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  Speaker 2: other side of it is, depending on how creative you are,
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  Speaker 2: they're massive, massive tax liabilities and write offs for these billionaires.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's gonna happen. We're gonna get more expansion
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  Speaker 2: in every league. I just the ultimate question will be
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  Speaker 2: whether or not professional sports expand to the level where
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  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City could ever have an NFL team. I
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  Speaker 2: think that is the threshold we don't cross. But beyond that,
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  Speaker 2: it's just gonna keep growing, and I'm here for it.
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  Speaker 1: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait for us to have a major League
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  Speaker 2: baseball team. I can't wait for Nashville to have a
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  Speaker 2: major League based fall team. Sorry, Portland, you're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: get one because politically you're a mess.
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  Speaker 3: I The the thing too, that we're gonna see before
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  Speaker 3: there's a vote on whether Vegas on when, if and
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  Speaker 3: when Vegas gets a team, if and when Seattle gets
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  Speaker 3: their team back, it's a sonic bit.
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  Speaker 1: The sonics back.
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  Speaker 3: Is how many more billionaires are going to be bidding.
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  Speaker 3: This is the first one who's put his name out
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  Speaker 3: there like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna try to bring the NBA to Vegas. I wonder
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  Speaker 3: if Mark Davis has the has the bandwidth to be
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  Speaker 3: the Ryan Smith of Vegas and be the the Raiders
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  Speaker 3: owner and the Ace's owner and the and the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: He paid one for the Aces, so he probably has
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  Speaker 3: the capital. Does he Does he want to add n
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  Speaker 3: b A. I mean it would only you would think
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  Speaker 3: that as soon as Mark Davis, because he's the Aces
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  Speaker 3: owner and the NBA owns the w n b A.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as he puts a bit in, I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: the owners going to vote and be like, yep, we
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  Speaker 3: already know that guy is great for basketball. Let's we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna bring him. We're gonna bring him into the men's
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  Speaker 3: side too.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you, uh, if they ever open it up
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  Speaker 2: for minority ownership, that Dana White and his partners will
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  Speaker 2: Ari Emmanuel, who's the uh the effective owner of the
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  Speaker 2: of the WWE. Right, those guys are gonna want to
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  Speaker 2: be in on it because they try to get in
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  Speaker 2: on the NFL thing. Sheldon Natleson I mean, all these people.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of money down there, Steve Winn, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money in Vegas, some multi multimillionaires and
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  Speaker 2: some billionaires down there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The thing with Bill Foley that gives it. I mean
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  Speaker 3: there's obvious symmetry with with Mark Davis already being the
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  Speaker 3: w NBA owner and those two leagues being one and
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  Speaker 3: the same. Basically, there's some symmetry with Bill Foley because
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  Speaker 3: I would guess that they're gonna play the games will
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  Speaker 3: be played at Team Mobile Arena.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you got to play at Team Mobile
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  Speaker 1: and Bill.
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  Speaker 3: Foley owns the team that plays their home games at
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  Speaker 3: the Fortress a Teamobile Areno with Vegas Golden Knights, So
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  Speaker 3: there's some symmetry there. Foley's the only one who's who's
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  Speaker 3: come out in front with this. I would expect I
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  Speaker 3: kind of would expect Mark Davis to say, yeah, I'd
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  Speaker 3: like I'd like to throw my hat in there, and
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  Speaker 3: you give a various stute guests there with with Dana
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  Speaker 3: White and UFC too.
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  Speaker 2: We reference this in our conversation with Byron Bader. Big
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  Speaker 2: news in the NHL. A big trade happened this week.
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  Speaker 2: Brady Kachuk has been traded from the Ottawa Senators to
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  Speaker 2: the Florida Panthers.
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  Speaker 1: He will join his brother, Matthew Kachuk.
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  Speaker 2: And this happened, by the way, in the same week
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  Speaker 2: that their dad, a day later, was informed that he
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  Speaker 2: has made the NHL Hall of Fame. So Keith Kachuk
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  Speaker 2: is going to be a Hall of Famer and now
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  Speaker 2: his sons are going to be playing together on an
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  Speaker 2: NHL roster in Florida that happens to be already a
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  Speaker 2: pretty darn good roster. Brady makes them that much better.
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  Speaker 2: And I think fatigue, more than anything else, is what
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  Speaker 2: took them out of contention for the Stanley Cup this year.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't even make the playoffs. They have a regular
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  Speaker 2: length of season in the twenty twenty five campaign, twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty twenty six, I should say, and they'll
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  Speaker 2: be right back in the hunt twenty twenty six, twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven. Now if you are, if you're playing in
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  Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference, you're fighting every game.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Matthew and Brady, especially for when they're on the ice together,
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  Speaker 2: they are like the bad kids at school. They are
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  Speaker 2: looking to fight. Even in Olympic hockey where it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of frowned upon. You're not really supposed to be doing that.
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  Speaker 2: In the international tournaments a little bit friendlier, but those
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  Speaker 2: guys are looking to mix it up. This is going
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  Speaker 2: to be glorious for Florida Panthers fans if you like
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  Speaker 2: the violence and the sort of out of bounds play
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  Speaker 2: in the game. Matthew and Brady being together and then
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  Speaker 2: Dad making the Hall of Fame the same week, is
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  Speaker 2: just that. That is a that's a great week if
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  Speaker 2: you're a Kachuck. Yeah, that's uh, that's quite the week.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean the rest of the Eastern Conference in particular,
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: all of the NHL going to the damage should be like,
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  Speaker 3: oh darn, the Panthers are probably back in title contention
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  Speaker 3: right away here adding another k Chuck uh kachuck a
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  Speaker 3: rama squared, I guess in Florida.
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  Speaker 2: This is actually another wild story in the NHL. I
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: know it's the NBA Draft today, but we don't have
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  Speaker 2: any news yet. There's no there's no trade where the
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz are moving up to number one for me
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: to report on. It's as far as we could tell,
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: it's going to be aj or Darren at one aj
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: or Darren at two, cam or Caleb a bit three,
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: cam or Caleb at four, and then depending on who
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: you listen to, that's when the draft really starts. That's
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: when the consensus sort of falls apart. But this is
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: the NHL's news cycle. The Oilers, remember they've got like
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: a two year window with Connor McDavid. The Edmonton Oilers
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: are hiring Mike Babcock as their next head coach. Now,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: I forgive you if you don't know a lot about
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: Mike Babcock. He's sixty three years old. He has not
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: coached in the NHL since he resigned prior to the
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three campaign, he had been hired by the
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: Columbus Blue Jackets. He's a bit of a controversial character
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: because he has this reputation for being an absolute nightmare
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: with players, crossing the line being totally invasive to their privacy.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: The with the with.
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  Speaker 2: The Blue Jackets, he was demanding people share photos from
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: their personal cell phones with them. Now, details on what
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: exactly those photos were hard to come by, But what
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: kind of photos would a coach be asking his NHL player,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: for his young professional athletes for from their personal cell phones?
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: Photos?
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  Speaker 2: Of them on vacation together, photos of them playing hockey.
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  Speaker 2: Guys don't have their personal cell phones for that, you know,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: angles of the ice as they're playing, Like, oh well,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: maybe I see something here strategy wise. So the Oilers
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: are just I saw a tweet that said pouring gasoline
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: onto the dumpster fire is an interesting choice for Edmonton. Now,
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: it's not exactly the same dynamic when we're talking about
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: NHL players that the whole culture is different, right, So
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: the Lakers were not going to hire any coach that
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: Lebron James didn't approve of.
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  Speaker 1: Connor McDavid.
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  Speaker 2: If your ownership management in Edmonton, Connor McDavid is your
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: key to success, Leon Driseiddle to a lesser extent, but
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: Connor McDavid or bust. If you're not keeping him happy,
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: you are destroying your franchise future. You had to have
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: called Connor McDavid at least. So if Connor McDavid signed
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: off on this counterintuitive based on what we know, but
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 2: maybe he did. Maybe he likes that kind of old
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  Speaker 2: school crazy guy. I have no idea. Maybe he and
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: Babcock have a personal relationship I'm unaware of. Maybe he's
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  Speaker 2: like I'm actually a really good photographer. I don't mind
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  Speaker 2: sharing the pictures on my phone with anyone.
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  Speaker 1: I don't yet.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he's just there something going on there. Maybe he's
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  Speaker 2: an avid iPhone photographer. He's like, oh, coach wants to
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  Speaker 2: see my pictures?
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  Speaker 3: Great, Sure he does he know someone I could help
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  Speaker 3: me get paid for some of these photos. Maybe no,
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  Speaker 3: Like it feels a whole different reason why a guy
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  Speaker 3: like Torts John Tortorella has bounced around the league and
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  Speaker 3: went a long time without coaching.
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  Speaker 1: But it feels like.
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  Speaker 2: Edmund might be seeing the lightning in the bottle that
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  Speaker 2: Vegas had with a veteran coach that's old school, like
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  Speaker 2: like Tortorella, and going, you know what, maybe maybe that's
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  Speaker 2: what we need after flaming out in the first round
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  Speaker 2: of the playoffs this year, instead of going to the
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  Speaker 2: final and winning a championship like we've done, like we
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  Speaker 2: got close to the last couple of years before that.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they're like, you know what Towrts is. Torts isn't available.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe well, I mean he is, but maybe we maybe
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  Speaker 3: we don't want to go with Torts, but maybe we
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  Speaker 3: go with Mike Babcock and try to get the torts
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  Speaker 3: effect with our team next year at the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: the season. That's the only thing I can think of
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  Speaker 3: as to why this might be logical. But also I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure that it really is gonna work out so
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  Speaker 3: very well. If you're Chris Knoblock, you went to back
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  Speaker 3: to back Stanley Cup finals and lost them. You won
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  Speaker 3: the Western Conference twice in a row, and you then
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  Speaker 3: you lost the finals it won in two.
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  Speaker 2: Games away from the Cup respectively, like you were that close,
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, you fired him well after he
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  Speaker 2: signed an extension at the beginning of the season. So
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: just a complete mess from a business standpoint. And then
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  Speaker 2: if you're no block, you're sitting back and you're going
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  Speaker 2: like you replace me with that guy. The NHL had
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  Speaker 2: to do it a personal conduct investigation before they cleared
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  Speaker 2: the Oilers to hire Babcock because of what happened in Columbus,
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  Speaker 2: and like they determined, like, okay, so you were just
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  Speaker 2: being kind of a weirdo, and that was three years ago,
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  Speaker 2: so maybe it's okay now. But this feels like not
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  Speaker 2: the best hire we have seen in professional sports recently.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of NHL, and we were talking NBA expansion OC
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  Speaker 3: This just came through ESPN dot Com. The NHL is
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: looking to expand they're looking at Austin and Houston. So
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: going back to Texas in the NHL, they're going to
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  Speaker 3: discuss this at their Board of Governors meeting, which is
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  Speaker 3: being held. It started today in New York City at
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  Speaker 3: their headquarters there. So that's uh, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: All respect to Austin. Love Austin. I get to go
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  Speaker 2: there next month for a PFL show. It's a great place.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't had positive experiences in Houston, but I have
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  Speaker 2: no gripe against Houston, but not so hot take Texas
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  Speaker 2: already has enough professional sport.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah they do.
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  Speaker 2: They just how many NHL is it just the Stars?
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  Speaker 2: Just the Dallas Stars, So I mean that's the one.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, they for as big a markets they have in
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  Speaker 3: in in Texas, makes maybe we don't have enough hockey teams,
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  Speaker 3: but like and Austin is not a city that has
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  Speaker 3: a lot of pro sports teams, so I guess I
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  Speaker 3: would be I I agree with you. I The only
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  Speaker 3: one that I'd be sort of on board with is
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  Speaker 3: Austin because they're kind of new to the pro scene.
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  Speaker 1: But you got enough teams?
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  Speaker 2: Do they have any Austin doesn't have any pro they
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  Speaker 2: have not of the Big four, but they have MLS
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  Speaker 2: Austin if.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: They also have the Texas Longhorns, which are effectively an
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  Speaker 2: NFL team. Yeah, just ask Stark. They're they're the best
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: team ever. All right, Spence is on remote at he is.
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  Speaker 2: Spence is at the engine room, so you can head
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  Speaker 2: out there early ahead of tonight's NBA Draft show starting
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  Speaker 2: at six. Hang out with Spence, get some great food
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  Speaker 2: and drinks at the engine room, thirteen eighty eight South,
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  Speaker 2: three hundred West. All right, we'll check in with Spence
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll be with him later. We'll wrap up
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  Speaker 2: the show next. It's ESPN seven m.
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  Speaker 1: I can hear you? Okay, all right, got a little
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  Speaker 11: Now, you know we're not going to be able to
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  Speaker 11: do this if they yep, just come down Injine room.
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  Speaker 2: See you later, Sean, No problem. Here's a fun little
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  Speaker 2: trivia question to close out the show, James. Since we
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  Speaker 2: were talking about expansion, we were talking about NHL, NBA whatever,
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  Speaker 2: three states have won the team and one team only of.
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  Speaker 1: The big four leagues. What are those three states? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: One of the three states have Oh? Did we three
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  Speaker 2: states with New Jersey?
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  Speaker 1: Correct? Oregon? Correct?
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember the third. I think we did this
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  Speaker 3: a few weeks ago, didn't we.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you remember them? But I can't remember the third?
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  Speaker 12: Oh Clahoma, I'm sweeping down the place. I remember the
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  Speaker 12: wave construct sweet when the wind comes right behind the rain.
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  Speaker 12: That is something I remember from a sixth grade performance.
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  Speaker 12: By the way, I remember this now because we had
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  Speaker 12: a texter say, hey, Giants and Jets play in New Jersey,
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  Speaker 12: and we I think we kind of landed on. Well,
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  Speaker 12: but they're technically by name New York, even though they
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  Speaker 12: their stadiums are in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: And there their headquarters in New York. It's a gray area.
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  Speaker 2: The new brother for Jets, brother for Giants just doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have the same ring to it. Um, enjoy the drive
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  Speaker 2: with Spence Checkets, and then make sure you stay on
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: six pm and beyond. At the engine room, we will
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  Speaker 2: have a conversation about all things happening in this NBA draft.
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  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz picking at number two, AJ or Darren Darren
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: or AJ or maybe Cam Boozer. You just never know,
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: Caleb Wilson, No, that one. That one actually seems to
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  Speaker 2: be the only one of the top four that no
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: one is saying that Jazz might pick. In any case,
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  Speaker 2: we will find out tonight see at the engine Room,
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  Speaker 2: thirteen eighty eight South three hundred West in Salt Lake City,
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  Speaker 2: starting at six. Thanks for listening to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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