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263: Welcome to Plathville - The Cabin in the Woods (S7 E2-3) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to plaithvill Honey. We are actually catching up on
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  Speaker 1: before we get into this recap, I have to ask you, Beatrice,
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  Speaker 1: whether you have any takeaways. After watching the last two
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  Speaker 1: episodes of Welcome to Platfill.
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  Speaker 2: I just think kim Plath has some motherfucking audacity to
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  Speaker 2: try and manufacture this like victim thing of like nobody
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  Speaker 2: checked on me after my dear why Barry won't give
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  Speaker 2: me a dime of his money? I'm like, girl, please,
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  Speaker 2: you were in a new build house, you got an
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  Speaker 2: Apple Watch, You've got your ballet studio, you're profiting off
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  Speaker 2: of TLC, you're profiting off of probably your airbnbs and
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  Speaker 2: shit like miss me with this.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Shoden Friday something like that. It's just like
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  Speaker 1: when we take just a little bit of pleasure when
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  Speaker 1: somebody kind of fucks around and then finds out. We
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  Speaker 1: get to see it and we really are in the
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  Speaker 1: finding out era her camp Plas and I love it too,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it when we get there. But
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  Speaker 1: like just the hubris of this woman, she truly is
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  Speaker 1: a narcissist. One, she truly is a narcissist.
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  Speaker 2: YEP.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I have like three separate takeaways to let me
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  Speaker 1: just choose one. Okay, I'm gonna choose a controversial one.
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  Speaker 1: Which is that I thought Olivia handled herself with grace
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  Speaker 1: and an appropriate measure of caution when facetiming with Veronica,
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  Speaker 1: like we had talked the last time we met about whether,
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  Speaker 1: like Olivia would be opportunistic and try to trash the
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  Speaker 1: plaths and you know, do underhanded kind of stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: she totally could do that, and I understand why she
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  Speaker 1: might do that, but I loved to see that instead
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  Speaker 1: she kind of was a bit more reserved. It didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel to me like she really trusts Veronica, nor should she,
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  Speaker 1: in my opin, like she doesn't know who this woman
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  Speaker 1: really is. And I thought she handled herself very well.
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  Speaker 1: That was my opinion. I was like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: it was actually kind of nice to see Olivia.
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  Speaker 2: Don't come at me, Bro, I won't come at you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't come at me, Bro.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I would totally agree with you that she
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  Speaker 2: handled herself with like caution, like she was being careful
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  Speaker 2: with what she's saying. I do give you that. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it was there was any grace, though.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's playing the field because on the Instagram
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  Speaker 2: and the tiktoks and shit, she is talking mad smack. Still, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: oh still every episode she out with some video being like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, they're still talking about me though, and
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  Speaker 2: then she'll like say some bullshit about what happened with
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  Speaker 2: the Plaths and how they're all evil and blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: So she'll go on her own little thing and like, again,
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  Speaker 2: there might be some truth to some of that shit,
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  Speaker 2: but I think some of it is a little bit embellished.
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  Speaker 2: But that's my opinion on Olivia. I'll give you.
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  Speaker 1: That, okay. And I just thought though that Veronica, in
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  Speaker 1: what we saw, like kept opening doors inviting Olivia into
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  Speaker 1: talk mad shit about the Plaths, and Olivia did not
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  Speaker 1: do that, agreed. I mean, and Olivia is doing that,
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  Speaker 1: and Olivia has done that, so she knows how to
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  Speaker 1: do that. She doesn't need Veronica to sort of lure
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  Speaker 1: her into this super shady moment, which I call into question.
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  Speaker 1: So I just thought Olivia handled herself very well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was very careful. Yeah, I will give you that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So that was my takeaway. Let us know if
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  Speaker 1: loves to hear for pole. Yeah, all right, without any
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  Speaker 1: further ado, let's get into our recap of the last
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  Speaker 1: two episodes. Take it away, Beatrice.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we'll start with episode two. We'll just get like
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  Speaker 2: a brief rundown.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We started with Veronica facetiming Olivia, which was kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it was like the first time they've really
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  Speaker 2: like talked in person allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: But before we did that, and I know we weren't
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  Speaker 1: going to really talk about it because it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: a nothing burger scene. There was the scene with Mariah
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  Speaker 1: and Ethan out to lunch, and I just want to
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  Speaker 1: mention it to comment about Mariah and how depressed Mariah
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  Speaker 1: seems like, how actually alarmingly depressed and morose. She came
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  Speaker 1: across while Ethan is sitting there talking to her, and
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  Speaker 1: of course they discuss Veronica and everything that's going on.
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is during the time where she's
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  Speaker 1: actually progressively losing all of her hair yea, which she
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  Speaker 1: did last year, So I I think she's wearing a
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  Speaker 1: wig here and I think she's very insecure. She just
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  Speaker 1: seemed I was worried, actually, and I'm worried about Mica too.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, Micah's the light in his eyes is also gone.
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  Speaker 1: But I was in this scene, I was concerned for
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  Speaker 1: Mariah because she seems really adrift, really lost, And I
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to say that before we get to the
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  Speaker 1: Veronica and Olivia park.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I mean, in this week's episode, in episode three,
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  Speaker 2: Ethan says he talks about that to Veronica and Micah,
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  Speaker 2: about how like Mariah's ruined her life, like she's completely
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  Speaker 2: went off the deep end. She's like definitely paying the
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  Speaker 2: price for her actions last year after the concert with
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  Speaker 2: going back with mister Potato Head and then breaking up
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  Speaker 2: with them, and then having to move back in with Barry,
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  Speaker 2: And like I think Ethan was kind of alluding to,
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  Speaker 2: like how she's got all these really terrible tattoos and
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  Speaker 2: dyed her hair black and everything, like she's going through it.
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  Speaker 2: She's in like her emo phase, like she's.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's more than like a teenage emo phase.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's like a mental health crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Bit I'm still emao.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I do these people go to conventional doctors?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Do they seek treatment? Do they seek help when they
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  Speaker 1: need it? Is she in therapy. I'm just I'm just
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  Speaker 1: a little concerned.
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  Speaker 2: I'm worried about her too. Yeah, I'm definitely worried about Mariah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think she needs therapy, like bad because if
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  Speaker 2: because she has talked about with like her alopecia, like
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  Speaker 2: she loses her hair because of stress, and I'm like, damn,
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  Speaker 2: you've lost it all again. What's going on? Like We're
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  Speaker 2: probably not gonna see much of it. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we will this season, Like we haven't seen much
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  Speaker 2: of her yet. It's been three episodes. We've only seen
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  Speaker 2: like little blurbs here and there, and then Veronica talking
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  Speaker 2: mad shit about her being really fucking mean and nasty
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  Speaker 2: about it. I'm over it. I feel bad for Mariah too,
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  Speaker 2: so I aree So.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she doesn't appear in any other scenes in
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  Speaker 1: the two episodes that we're talking about, So I just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get that in there, that we need to
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  Speaker 1: send up the flare for a little Mariah. Yes she's cringe,
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  Speaker 1: Yes she's done things that are ridiculous, but there's something
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  Speaker 1: wrong with Mariah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. And then when we get to Veronica
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  Speaker 2: talking to Olivia, this was kind of like weird because
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  Speaker 2: I think Olivia is trying to do what she did
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  Speaker 2: with Mariah back in the day, where she's acting like
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  Speaker 2: this mentor and like trying to guide her through like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I've been there, done that, Like I'm here if you
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  Speaker 2: want to talk. But I feel like there's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of an ulterior motive on Olivia's part in siding
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  Speaker 2: with Veronica or like even entertaining Veronica, because Veronica, in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, is just out here for drama. Like I mean,
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  Speaker 2: she is just talking crap about literally everybody in the family.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy how she's just changed from last
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  Speaker 2: season to this season. Last season, she was so reserved
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  Speaker 2: and then this season. I don't know, what did you
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  Speaker 2: think about the whole conversation with her and Olivia.
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  Speaker 1: I just felt that Veronica was trying to have a
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  Speaker 1: mean girl moment looking for an ally, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think Olivia gave that to her. Again, I think that
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  Speaker 1: she was pretty gracious and she was like, I am
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  Speaker 1: here for you, and I get it we have this
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  Speaker 1: sort of shared experience, but she didn't really indulge Verna
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  Speaker 1: to the degree that she really wanted to talk crap
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  Speaker 1: about the Plaths and we see her do it again
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  Speaker 1: in the next episode when she meets Teagan. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: so totally inappropriate, And the thing is like, you do
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  Speaker 1: yourself damage because the message that you're coming with Veronica,
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  Speaker 1: like what you're trying to say is discredited by the
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  Speaker 1: way that you're saying it and what you are doing
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  Speaker 1: and is coming off all wrong. And I just in
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  Speaker 1: my mind, it just felt like Olivia had a sense
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  Speaker 1: of that a little bit and probably asked herself like,
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  Speaker 1: but aren't you currently still dating Mica, Like aren't you
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  Speaker 1: guys in a loving relationship? Like why would you be
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  Speaker 1: making this call unless you wanted to be getting into
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  Speaker 1: some shady stuff, And she's probably She's probably like, I
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  Speaker 1: got out of that, Yeah, so I don't really want
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  Speaker 1: to be a part of that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it kind of seems like that with Olivia. She
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  Speaker 2: seems like she's got like Mary Brown like walls up
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  Speaker 2: a little bit with Veronica. But it's it's Veronica's just
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  Speaker 2: weird to me because I'm like, you're talking all this shit.
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  Speaker 2: I understand wanting to team up with Olivia because you
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: guys have had similar like experiences, I guess, and you're
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  Speaker 2: both you both have had relationships with Plath boys that
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: were not good and not healthy in any way, shape
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  Speaker 2: or form. And so I can understand like having some camaraderie,
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  Speaker 2: but the secretiveness on Veronica's part.
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  Speaker 1: Why would you do that? Would you ever do that
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  Speaker 1: to your wife?
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: I would never do that to my husband. If you
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  Speaker 1: hadn't have an enemy, I would never FaceTime his enemy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the thing. It's like, there doesn't need
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  Speaker 2: to be this level of shadiness, Like I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just.
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  Speaker 1: She's producing herself. She really has become conscious to the cameras,
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  Speaker 1: which I thought she didn't want to be in her
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  Speaker 1: home and be in my life, but now she's like
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  Speaker 1: trying to use and weaponize the cameras in order to
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  Speaker 1: embarrass all these Plaths.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and then you're in the comments sections, like constantly
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  Speaker 2: constant everywhere, like across Reddit and Instagram everything. It's like
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  Speaker 2: insane how much she comments on stuff. And she's saying
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  Speaker 2: that her and Olivia are like BFFs now they're like
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  Speaker 2: really close, but she's very quick to say I think
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  Speaker 2: I sent you comment section on Reddit that her and
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  Speaker 2: Olivia both don't like Teagan don't want her to be
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  Speaker 2: friends with them.
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  Speaker 1: Has Olivia ever met Teagan?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's according to Veronica.
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  Speaker 1: I highly doubt Olivia has met physically been in the
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  Speaker 1: comput Why would that means, Olivia, you're judging Teagan just
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  Speaker 1: like so many other people out here have judged you,
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  Speaker 1: And I would ask is that really fair?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, It's not. No. And then moving on, we have
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: Kim Girl, and we start off with her talking about
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  Speaker 2: because she's got a part time hostess job girl, the
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  Speaker 2: same restaurant that Lydia and Mariah work at. And then
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  Speaker 2: we talk about her fucking Dui bitch, which I'm surprised
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  Speaker 2: we even acknowledged.
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  Speaker 1: And I had to wonder Beatrice because we were screaming
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  Speaker 1: last season, like, are we really gonna go through an
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: entire season where all of us understand and know and
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  Speaker 1: and read the article and the arrest report. We all
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: know that Kim Plath was involved in a duy. She
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  Speaker 1: wrecked her vehicle, she was driving drunk. We all knew it,
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  Speaker 1: and you guys are just going to pretend it didn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the show we're watching? And that is why
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  Speaker 1: at the end of last season we had decided we're
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  Speaker 1: not going to do this anymore, Like, if you're not
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  Speaker 1: going to tell the truth and share, we're not going
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  Speaker 1: to participate. So it's interesting to me, and that was
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  Speaker 1: going to be my other takeaway. I didn't choose it,
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: but it's interesting to me that production seems to be
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  Speaker 1: taking such a different tact. I love it with this season,
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: and it felt to me, what did you guys think,
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  Speaker 1: Like production almost forced Kim to sit down in the chair,
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  Speaker 1: honey and talk about the dui because people out there
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: are talking about it, and we're not going to watch
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  Speaker 1: our show if you're not authentic.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think they did, because Kim looked uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: very much. So the way that she spun it was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, after me and Barry got divorced, Like I
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  Speaker 2: had a really bad night or I had too much
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  Speaker 2: to drink and I got a dui and then I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't drive for like a year or many months or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: She's like trying to rewrite it to make it sound
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  Speaker 2: less bad than it actually is. But the fact that
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  Speaker 2: she had to say it, I'm glad that she finally
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  Speaker 2: said it and admitted to it. But then motherfucking Kim
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  Speaker 2: plat is, like, you know, but Barry didn't once ask
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  Speaker 2: me if I was okay after my duy. Like we've
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: been married for twenty five years, you've known me, I
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  Speaker 2: reared all your children. Why didn't you check on me?
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  Speaker 2: And then she starts like tearing up, as if I'm
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  Speaker 2: supposed to fucking feel bad for.
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  Speaker 1: You because you cheated on me. That's why I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: And you left me, and you destroyed our entire family,
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  Speaker 1: and like we had a mission statement like the Browns
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  Speaker 1: and commment ceremony, like we had a vision for the
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  Speaker 1: family and for our marriage, and you totally detonated that
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  Speaker 1: and you cheated on me. And now you're a drunk too,
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  Speaker 1: embarrassing me because the raccoons know about your duy and
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  Speaker 1: this is embarrassing to me. And you want me to
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  Speaker 1: check in with you, Yeah, you want me to say, Kim,
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  Speaker 1: you're looking a little alcoholic ly lately? Is everything all
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: right now? I don't care. I'm gonna gave that to
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  Speaker 1: my advantage. I'm gonna take what I can because you
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  Speaker 1: did this, Kim, not me. You.
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  Speaker 2: She's the one that wanted the fucking divorce. She's the
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: one that initiated it.
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  Speaker 1: All, okay, and let's have the conversation about what happened
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  Speaker 1: to what was his name, the guy Ken Ken? What
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: happened with Ken? I mean, is are there any rumblings
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  Speaker 1: out there? Is anybody watching on Facebook? Is he with
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: somebody else? Well, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: According to Veronica and read it like she's been in
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  Speaker 2: the comments saying that apparently Ken broke up with Kim
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  Speaker 2: once she got like the breathalyzer and stuff in her car,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: which I'm just like, that's weird. But like Veronica's made
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  Speaker 2: some like accusations on Reddit saying that it was something
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: to do with after the DUI that he broke up
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  Speaker 2: with her. But I'm like, we saw him last season
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  Speaker 2: and they seemed fine. So was the trunk duced and
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Ella drunk? They seem drunk together, Ella drunk. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know he I mean, he must have dumped her.
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  Speaker 1: Ass, which is wild to me because you're thinking thinking
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  Speaker 1: about this woman who is in her fifties, yep, And
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  Speaker 1: it's not that she's not beautiful. She is, and I'm
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: sure she has her charms and she's like a ballet dancer,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: so she's accomplished. But like, she's taking the chance. I
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  Speaker 1: think if I'm just putting myself in her position, she's
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  Speaker 1: taking the chance on this Ken guy, who is Isaac's
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  Speaker 1: aviation instructor. She's having a premarital, not a premierital. She's
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: having an adulteress affair with this person. She's blowing up
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: her whole family. She's doing that for Ken, and then
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: once she gets a DUI, he's just gonna dump her
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: and leave her hanging well. And now we've got Barry
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: on the other side of that, being like, yeah, I'm
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: not gonna rush through to get this divorce. We have
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of properties, they make a lot of money,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: and you're just not going to get a sweetheart deal
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: from me because of what you did. And I'm not
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: gonna move. And she's so she can't believe, she can
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: that Barry would do this to her, And I'm like,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: that Barry would do this to you, that Ken would
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: do this to you. And now you find yourself fifty
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: four years old, out here with nothing yet because I
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: don't think the divorce has even happened yet. No, maybe into.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: The season, I think she's still they're still negotiating.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: So you're paying for your attorneys on your credit cards.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: You are debt financing your entire life. You've got your
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: your littles fifty percent of the time, but you're expecting
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: child support. Uh huh, So like you have equal time
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: and Barry's doing his part, but you still want him
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to pay you child support. Now, alimony we can talk about,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: and we should. But I'm just like, this must be
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: hitting her, wow so hard.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Like you said, fuck around and find out, Like, I
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: don't know what you expected. I kind of wondered, because
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: when she confronts Barry at her house, yeah, on camera,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: of course, which is like so inappropriate.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: That's the only way that he'll talk to her. But
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: she's got to ambush him because otherwise he'll just walk out.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure his their attorneys are trying to talk
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: to each other. I'm sure that what's happening. The reason
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: why they're at an impass is that Kim won't agree
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: to anything that Barry is suggesting, and Barry won't agree
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: to anything that she's suggesting. They are at an impass.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: They should have a fucking mediator, but no, they choose
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: to like try and co parent and like try to
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: give their kids, like the family experience, which is all
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: well and great, but like Kim, you're not gonna get
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: everything that you want. You already got your affair, You
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: already got your ballet studio, You already got your Apple
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: watch and your bow and your fucking new build rental
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: that you're in, Like, you already got all of this shit.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: You got your divorce that you wanted, you got out
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: of the marriage with Barry. I know you're still trying
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to settle in everything, but like, you don't get to
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: get everything that you fucking want under this, and then
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: pressure Barry on camera to talk about the divorce proceedings.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. If he agrees to something, if it
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: acquiesces on camera, then she can trot it out during
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the trial of some sort and say, but look, he
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: agreed to do it, like he's not a stupid person exactly,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and you should know that. Yeah, let's talk about the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: amount that Kim is owed, not the amount, but like
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the fact that Kim is owed half and to me,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that in the last year of their marriage,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: after twenty five years of marriage, she had an indiscretion
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and she behaved crazy, like maybe she's menopausal and out
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: of control. And not medicating herself. I don't know, but
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: she behaved badly, But that does not to me. It
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: does not negate the fact that she spent twenty five
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: years homeschooling these children, staying at home, taking care of
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the home, the farm, all the animals, I would assume,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: or at least delegating her children to go out and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: take care of those animals, sneaking off to the barn
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: when she had a chance to drink vodka and eat sugar.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: But I mean, nonetheless, she was there taking care of
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: home and hearth while he went out and he worked
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and earned a great wage. So you can't tell me
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: that she is not owed a good chunk, a very
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: good chunk of whatever it is that Barry is worth
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: right now that they're worth right now. She deserves it,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: She should have it. I think he should settle it
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and just walk away and build on his owne from there.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I do think that she's owed half, because that's only fair,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: especially since she did not have a career. She did
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: raise all of these kids for twenty five years. Yes,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: but I doubt that Kim is asking for just half.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I bet she's asking for more. That's my opinion. Yeah,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I bet she is asking for more because she feels
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: entitled to more because she knows how much Barry makes
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: and knows how much their properties make and everything. And
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Barry's like, no, you don't get to have all of
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: this shit. We can have half. But I don't know.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make excuses Barry.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: No. And Kim says that Barry makes ten times the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: amount that she does, and so that must be factoring
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: in what she makes via TLC. And also it sounds
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: like she's got an Airbnb or she's got control to
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: some degree of some of their rentals, so she's making
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: an income. But whatever that income is is he's still
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: making ten times that.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: That's what Kim is saying, Right, we don't know the
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: full truth of that. She's also only working a part
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: time hostess job, like you could try and get a
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: full time job.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: She has schooling, well, but she's.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Schooling and she's what a natural path or something.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: She's an Internet natural path. So she did go to
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: university for six years and never graduated, although she never
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: sent her own kids to university so they could get
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: so that they could learn what well endowed meant, they
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: could learn basic words you ever did that. But yet
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: she has an education, she could do more. But like
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I understand her struggle being in her age, demographically, it
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: would be hard all of a sudden, Like the man
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you thought you were leaving your other man four no
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: longer wants you. You don't have a job, You're gonna
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: have to sell off all this stuff. You're not gonna
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: get what you think you want. Don't fucking feel bad
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: for her to do, But I really don't. It's just
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a stark realization that she is coming into Yes.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: And that's all valid and everything, But I still don't
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: feel bad because I'm like, you broke up your family,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: You had a marriage with a man that provided everything
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: fucking for you, Like, and I know it was Barry, Okay,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I know he's probably terrible. He's probably horrible in bed,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I get it, all right, But like you chose to
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: destroy your life, you chose to get a DUI like
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't feel like.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: You could have done it in a way that had
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: some integrity. Yes, you could have just said like, this
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: is just not working, then initiated a conscious uncoupling. Yes,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: but you didn't. You cheated, You became an alcoholic right,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you destroyed your vehicle in a duy incident and you
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: ain't shit, no, And Barry knows it and he don't care.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: There's just something so beautiful about it. And that's stuff
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that I like Barry or anybody else. But it's just
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: like Kim, you ain't shit, yep.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing I want to preface that too,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Like I don't like Barry, like I don't think he's
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: that great of a guy. He might be trying to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: swindle her out of what she's owed in their negotiations.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I don't fucking know. I wish we were privy to that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I wish we could see the documentation and the coins
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and all that. I want to know how much he
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: actually makes, if he makes ten times more than what
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: in Black makes, But I don't trust him. Plas's victim
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: story either, correct. So that's my two cents on that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And then we have Ethan and the rowdies, which is
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: like Isaac and some of their other guy friends. And
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I think his girlfriend's there, and I think Teagan's there.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: They're all maybe she's not, but they're all hanging out
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: at some cabin or something.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: It looked like it was Isaac's home when they're barbecuing
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and such.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was his homer. I think
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it's I'm staying at a property.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I think that was his home, but I don't think
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it matters.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: But they're all like hanging out and they're gonna meet Zach,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Lydia's blue friend, and Lydia's bringing him over, and this
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: scene made me upset for Zach.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I was really upset. I was triggered by this.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Ethan and Isaac are just.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Everybody, Tagan too, and the other two wherever they were,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: she was, Teagan was there, but Teagan was there and
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: she was laughing.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: What she laughing at. So all of them were laughing
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: at Zach, like their first interaction, meeting this guy and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: making him feel really uncomfortable, making Lydia feel really uncomfortable.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I felt really bad for them.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I was so chagrined to see this from just people
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like I don't have high hopes for Ethan Plath. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: personally don't think he's an emotionally developed person. I just
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: think that he's broken and I just don't I just
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: don't know where he gets off making fun of somebody
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: else for not being socially adjusted or understanding like how
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to be a person in the world. Like we met
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you when you had never even had a sip of coke.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: You did not know how to use an ATM. You
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: were an absolute, you know, novice to life. And here
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: we have this guy Zach, who I mean is different
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: from a duck dynasty over here, Like he's a different person.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean he's not a kind person. It
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's not a sweet person. It doesn't mean
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that Lydia doesn't love him, right, And the way you
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: call yourself a Christian and this is a shit that
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: kills me, Beatrice. It's like these Christians that are so
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: judgmental of people and so willing to other people just
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: to make them feel separate and apart, when the ultimate
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: principle of Christianity is to love your neighbor as you
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: love yourself, right well, to love God first and then
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: love your neighbor as you love yourself. Yeah, and so
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Ethan wants to talk about being a Christian, and everybody
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: wants to talk about their core values, but like when
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: it comes time to actually demonstrate that with a young
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: man who doesn't have a lot of life experience. All
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: he knows is that he loves your sister. This is
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: how you treat him. That's bully behavior. It's obnoxious. And
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I was so upset for Lydia and for Zach. I
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: was just like, that is so cringe, dude.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Well and it's so like unfortunate because we see this
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: scene of them laughing at him, and it's so disgustingly
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: rude and just inappropriate on all front. But then you
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: have Ethan in his talking head being like, yeah, well
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: we were laughing about like some inside jokes and you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: it probably wasn't the nicest thing, but like whatever, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: it's like, no, not whatever. You were very rude. You
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: were objectively rude, and maybe you should make an apology
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: to Lydia and to Zach on camera or at least
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: and just be like, yeah, sorry, I was an asshole.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering where Ethan gets the hubris and the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: audacity to treat somebody else like that, Like he was
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: so up in arms with how his family treated Olivia
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and how his family didn't accept Olivia.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Because Olivia was mad about it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Well but okay, well we could have that conversation. But
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: like he was very activated by how Olivia was treated,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: and then you're just gonna go two years later and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: treat this guy, yeah, in a way that makes him
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: feel like he doesn't belong and is unwelcome, which is
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: the same thing that Olivia felt. I was just like,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: what do you what are you doing and why are
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: we doing this? This is a high school not that you'd
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: know because you didn't go to school, right, dumb, It's
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: like this is high school mean guy and girl behavior
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: really unbecoming.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely is. It speaks to how he has
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: become like a harder edged person after his divorce, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: like not in a good way, like he's he's meaner,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: he's bitter, he's a little bit more like outspoken, but
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: like not in the right ways, like he's just he's
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: he's hard.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's rude. Yeah.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I didn't like that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: No, I thought it was so bad.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the final thing that happened in episode two,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: which we continue in episode three, was Veronica and Micah
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: fighting about the family and how Veronica doesn't like the family,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to be a part of the family. And
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: then it comes out that the major grievances that Veronica
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: has is actually with Micah, because Micah is a cheat NASO.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, and apparently she was in the process of dealing
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: with Micah's expansive infidelity. It wasn't just one girl, it
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: was like multi a lot girls and boys just wondering
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: like multiple partners. So she was dealing with that, which
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: is deeply traumatic, and at the same time, all the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: crap with Mariah was going down, and so I think
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that amplifies in her mind and in her body, like
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it amplifies the conflict with Mariah because I think she
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: at this point as we are watching, I think she's
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: trying not to deal with all of the pain that
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: she's feeling from Micah, so she's choosing to sort of
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: pivot and just place it all on Mariah. It's not
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that Mariah doesn't deserve some of it or all of
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: it or whatever, but I just feel like she's displacing
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: what she's really feeling, which is betrayal because Micah cheated
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: on her.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, and that brings us to episode three,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: entitled The Cabin in the Woods. Yeah, and we start
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: off this episode with actually meeting Ethan's girlfriend Tigan. Yes,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: his smoking hot girl friend.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Is what he likes to say I saw her bod,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and I am not above or below commenting on somebody's
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: bod when it's beautiful and fantastic, and I'm just like, oh.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: My gol god. And she's had a kid.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: She's a brick house. That woman is stacked. She's pretty.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: She seems like a sweet young lady.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I was just like, okay, go weave it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I know for real. So Ethan and Teagan, I guess
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: met online. They've been dating for about ten ish months
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: at this point. She's from Wisconsin and he's living in
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Minnesota still, and so she was quite the drive for
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: her and everything. But she made it for Ethan because
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: she is sprung over him too, just like he sprung
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: over her.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Well, she slid into his DM.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I said, hey, I like your motorcycle. It's really nice.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: He checked out her profile and was like I really
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: like you. Yeah. So then they started dating.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I don't know, I kind of like, I
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: think she's sweet. And from this initial scene, like they're
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: driving through kro and he's like showing her like all
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: of his little spots and everything and reminiscing about his
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: childhood and he's talking about his relationship with Teagan and
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: how he really enjoys this relationship because Teagan respects not
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: only his childhood and like how he was brought up,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: but he respects or she respects his family and respects
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: his relationships with his family, which he says is a
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: breath of fresh air from Olivia, because Olivia had major
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: beef with his family and also shot all over his
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: childhood and shat all over his upbringing, which he's actually
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: very fond of, which I think is nice. I look,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: we can have our comments about his upbringing and how
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Kim royally fucked these kids up and did not educate
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: them and everything, but like if he was happy with it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, And it's interesting to me that he's claiming
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: that Olivia shot all over his childhood when Olivia had
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: much the same childhood. She comes from the same type
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of fundamentalism. But she was, obviously when they were together,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: in process of deconstructing that and trying to figure out
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: how she really felt about that, and so maybe in
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the process of that ended up villainizing part of his
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: life and his childhood and his family, and some of
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that maybe wasn't even about them, although I think a
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: lot of it was I think there was a lot
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: of dysfunction in the Plath family, but I think some
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: of that was Olivia projecting onto them and him like
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: what she was trying to work through. So I can
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: see that Ethan is still traumatized by his relationship with Olivia, yes,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and the divorce, and I think Olivia is also traumatized.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like when he's using it as a contrast
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: point to his relationship with Teagan, like always referencing back
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: to how it was with Olivia, Like I loved Tigan
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: because when I was with Olivia it really sucked. I
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: feel like that's an indication that he's not necessarily dealing
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: with what he has come out of and how he
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: really feels about that, and maybe and I just wonder
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to myself, whether there's some substitution that is happening, meaning
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: he's substituting another person so that he doesn't have to
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: really sink deeply into everything that he experienced with Olivia,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: how that made him feel. And also like the connotations
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: of Olivia's process and what that might say about him too,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Like that's deep though, that's layers upon layers upon layers.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think Ethan I think he's a cro magnet.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I don't think he has the capacity to even understand
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: that he should be asking those questions. But I'm just
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: looking at Teagan, who seems like a beautiful young woman.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: She's a mom. I know he was very surprised to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: hear she was a single mom, and so I thought
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that was so cool though, because she can relate to
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: kim Plath in a different way, and she also sees
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Ethan and his relationship with his parents and family in
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: a different way that you know, somebody like Olivia couldn't
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: she didn't have that lived experience. I just think that
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: this whole thing is so interesting.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's very interesting.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: And although we don't like a lot of how Ethan behaves,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: and I think he's so crippled and he's bracken disabled
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: emotionally and that that causes him to behave in a
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: bad way, which we're going to get to some of that. Like,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: even so I feel like I just feel like this
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: sense of hope for him, Yeah, that he can come
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: through that if he just applies himself to the process
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that he's in. But if he's just going to deny
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: it and just like shock up with Teagan and I
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: have to deal with it. Well, then he's just going
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to continue to be who he is.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really hoping that he can actually take this
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: opportunity to grow up a little bit and like try
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: to see maybe where Olivia was coming from in some perspectives,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: because we've talked about this at length about like how
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Olivia was traumatized and probably reacted a lot with her
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: vitriolog against the past because of her own shit with
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: her own family and as she was projecting a lot
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: of that onto that. But there the plaths are dysfunctional
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: as well, Like we're not we're not hiding that. I
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: don't know. I hope that he can grow with Teagan.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I think Teagan's really sweet, and I think that she
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: is obviously really in love with Ethan, and she always
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: she's like calling the hansom a lot, and like she's
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: sitting in his old fashioned car and just like listening
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to him to talk about his childhood, and she's not
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: judging him for it, and she's not shitting all over it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: She's not even really commenting about it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: She's just like hijacking it and then making it about
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: her and her childhood. She strikes me as somebody who
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: has an innate ability to hold space, yes, and just
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: be able to witness where somebody else is. And I
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like it with grace, and like when we get to
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Veronica later, girl like, it's just becomes like such a
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: comparing contrast between those two girls.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Well, and Tegan's only twenty four too, so she's young.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: She's younger than Ethan, but she's kind of mature. And
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: maybe that's because she's a mom and she's promming up
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a little bit. I thought that was really interesting though,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: that she's a single mom, and like Ethan didn't bad
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: an eye about it, because Ethan's a bit of a
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: traditional you know, I am Christian man.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: But he's just a judgmental of lifestyles, yes, and he
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: is insane, and he blames his judgment of alternative lifestyles
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: on his Christianity as well. Then if that's the case,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: why aren't we having the same energy for somebody like Teagan.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad he doesn't, That's what I'm saying,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: because Teacan doesn't deserve it, but neither do gay people, right,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: other people are. But yeah, I just think it's interesting,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: probably because she's got great knockers maybe he's a dude.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I guess, maybe he's just yet at the titties. I
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: don't fucking know. And then we hear an interesting comment
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: about Ethan with his divorce with Olivia, because apparently they
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: are not legally divorced yet because they both filled in
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: the paperwork incorrectly. They didn't know that it was incorrectly
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: filled out because they both moved and so nothing got finalized.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: So Ethan says he hired an attorney to try and
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: mediate all this so he didn't have to deal with
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Olivia ever again and talk to her ever again. But
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: according to Ethan, Olivia is not responding to his attorney
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: and not responding to his texts, which is interesting because
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Olivia is on Instagram current day saying that Ethan is
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the one that won't sign the divorce papers and Ethan's
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: not responding to her. So I'm like, where's the truth.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Hmmm, where's the truth? Well, I could play Devil's advocate
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: like you. So if I were to play Devil's advocate
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: for Ethan, I would say, well, there's that colonel inside
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: of him that was a young man when he fell
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in love with Olivia, and he still is a little
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: bit in love with Olivia and therefore has jug or
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: dragged his feet to sign those divorce papers. But then
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: on the other side of that, I can play Devil's
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: advocate for Olivia because maybe she sees that this TLC
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: gig is going away, like she has not been featured
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: but once in three episodes, and I think based on
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: how she's conducting herself currently on Instagram, which is coming
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: for production, coming for TLC, coming for the show, it
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: feels like she's being phased out and she knows it. Yeah,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: But I just think that she's somebody who's quite attention seeking,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and so if Ethan is the last lifeline to the attention,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: then she's not going to necessarily want to cut off
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: that light lifeline, and so she's not signing the papers.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: My intuition, bitch, was that she's not signing him because
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: she's either making it hard for him because she's you know,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: petty LaBelle yet and I can appreciate that, and or
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: she is not giving up her last name because she
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: wants to stay connected to the show, and she's not
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: signing the divorce papers because she wants to stay connected
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: to Ethan. Don't come for me. These are just ideas.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: We're just talking about them.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: That's kind of my thought. And I'm like, again, I'm
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: not like an apologist for Ethan, And I'm like, I'm
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: not trying to simp for him, because i think he
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: is not free from faults, like he's a piece of
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: shit sometimes. But like, I think Ethan's telling the truth
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: here that he hired An at Journey and Olivia is
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the one that's not responding. I think he wants to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: be over it. I think he wants to be done
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: with the divorce and be done with it. He seems
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: over it. I know he keeps bringing up Olivia, but
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I think that that's because the TLC produce heart making
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: him bring up Olivia, similar to what has been happening
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: with Christine talking about Kriti constantly even though she's already
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: in a new relationship. That's kind of what it's giving
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: to me, but don't come for me well.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And also Ethan seems really sprung by Teagan, like he's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: really into Titkin. No, I'm sorry, Oh my god, I'm
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: sorry Tittigin. Like he's really into Teagan. And Tiken seems great.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: She's not only I mean, she just has great Bosoms though,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm just calling her out. Yeah, I'm like, oh
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: my god, I remember when I was twenty four as well,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that bought is killer. So I think
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: he's sprung for all that. Plus her, she seems like
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: a quality young lady, and so I don't think he'd
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: be dragging his heels on the divorce. I remember when
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I was married, my sick and he husband, and we
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: were going through the whole process. Girl, it took from
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight to twenty and eleven.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Stop it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was ivo before we actually divorced, but it
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't until he met someone new that he that He's like, okay,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: well let's get this going. And he made a lot
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: of great concessions. I have to say, like we finally
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: were able to push it through. And so I think
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that's where Ethan is. He wants it to be done.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's the other thing. Maybe he was dragging
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: his feet until he went mean and now he wants
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: to light the fire and be like I'm done.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: And now Olivia is like, oh there's another woman, and
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: oh she's pretty, and now I'm gonna drag my heels.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I don't like that, So it's exactly what it feels like.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because they're young and this was their first marriage. Yeah,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: it was not a good breakup, so like I get
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I get it on all fronts, you know. And then
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: we go to Veronica and Micah where we pick up
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: where we left off in last episode where they're talking
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: about the cheating. This is where we hear more in
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: depth to the extent to the level of how much
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: of a ho Micah was, because apparently they were long
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: distance for like seven months or something, and during that
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: time where they were long distance, Micah was fucking a lot.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Apparently he was doing something I'm doing a lot. We
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: saw him going on dates when he was in Los Angeles,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and I was thinking, as I was watching this episode
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: of Michael, was Veronica waiting back in Florida for him?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Was Veronica at that time thinking that they were in
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: some kind of a relationship. But yeah, we saw him
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: going on dates and being romantic and pursuing other people.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And Micah tells us in this scene that he just
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: wasn't ready to commit. What really kind of got me
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: in my fields was when Veronica was like, you know,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the reason I didn't tell anybody, I think the producer
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: asks her, like, we did you When did you forgive him?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Or why did you forgive him? And she's like, I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: actually had to forgive myself because you know, I was
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: caught in this loop of questioning whether it was me.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Is it because I'm too tall? Is it because I
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: am masculine? Is it because I have all these other
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: things going against me? Am I causing these problems? Am
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I causing Micah to stray? And I was just like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: oh wow, that hurts my heart for her. And when
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you keep in mind that at the time, she was
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: going through it on social media, like people were going
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: into her Instagram comments and calling her transgendered or like
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: saying all of these terrible things to her like that
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: at point she had to come out and show pictures
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: of herself as a young girl and say like I'm
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: not transgender, Like why do you guys? Why do you
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: always do this? And I felt really bad and she
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: starts crying on the couch because she felt so less
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: then and then we go back to Micah and he
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: talks about like how he moved from LA to Florida
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and when he did, he just never closed the doors
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: with all the girls. Guys girls and guys that because
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: remember when he was in La, he kind of said
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: that he was open to both sexes, right, He's like,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious or whatever. So he never closed the door.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: And then he would like take trips to New York
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: and there was somebody in New York and Veronica had
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: no idea, which is trophic, yes, and tragic, absolutely terrible,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and Micah like, how are you fucking terrible? Ab you right?
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Like what the fuck are you doing? And then he
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: says when she found out, so he was hiding it,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: like even when he moved from La to Florida, he
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: was still fucking around. Then Veronica ended up finding out,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: and then he said that was the point where he
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: like cut off everything. He gave Veronica full access to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: his phone. He says he deeply regrets all of this,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: and it seems like maybe he does. But at the
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: same time, I'm like, Micah, the fuck, like why did
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: you make this huge move? This just speaks to your
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: point earlier about how we're kind of concerned about Micah,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Like what's going on with you, bro? I'm not saying
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make any justifications for his cheating.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Cheating is wrong always, it's terrible to do to people.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: He's a terrible person for doing this to Veronica because
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: she's obviously deeply traumatized.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: He's destroyed, But I'm like destroyed.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: What is going on with you emotionally? That you were
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: doing all of this and then you committed even though,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: like he said, I committed before I was ready to commit,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: And yet you're still committed to this girl who you
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: have deeply hurt. Like, why don't you just break it off?
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: And Veronica, why don't you do dis ess?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: It's a tale as old as time. I mean, people
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: have dealt with infidelity in their relationships and they make
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: different choices to try and live with it or live
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: without it. I just feel like Micah is a consummate hobosexual.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I think he needed a place to live. I think
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Veronica was and is an accomplished professional person. I believe
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: she's in real estate. I think she had a home.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: He needed a home or else he was going to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: have to move home with Barry and do that whole thing,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: and so she provided a sense of stability. And furthermore,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: her archetype in terms of being a partner and a
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: woman was like a very strong domineering kind of archetype,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: which is similar to his mother. And so you have
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: these kids, in various ways, seeking out relationships with partners
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: that resemble the relationships that they saw model to them
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: by Kim and by Barry. So they're either hooking up
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: with emotionally unavailable people, or they're hooking up with these
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: women in particular who are controlling, domineering, and calling the shots.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: And so I think Micah fell into something that felt
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: very familiar to him, and even though it would not
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: feel familiar to me and I would be uncomfortable and
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I would be not into it, for someone who grew
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: up in that and who only knows that, it probably
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: feels like home. And so on some level, maybe Veronica
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: felt like home for him, and he's like, let me
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: just navigate this and do the very best that I can,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: even though he wasn't necessarily feeling Veronica. And I think
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: that at some point that's where we got.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I think he was like not feeling her, I think,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: and then she could sense that, whether energetically, whether they
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: talked about it, and then she started to act out yep,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: and her behavior became a problem. And now here we
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: are Season seven, and she's just like to me, She's like,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I don't she's off her rocker.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: She is in certain scenes well, and this like when
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: we're talking about the cheating and you see her crying,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: like you see her being vulnerable here, and like she
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: had talked about being bullied online. I'm like, Okay, this
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: is the issue. Like you were cheated on multiple multiple
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: times by this very handsome young man that you probably
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: are like so into because he's so handsome and he's
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: sweet sometimes and he can be like he's more emotionally
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: intelligent I think than Ethan at times, because even when
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: he's like describing the whole Mariah and Veronica situation, like
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: he's very I don't know, he's able to see all
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: sides of it. But like I can see where Veronica
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: would fall in love with him and then try to
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: make it work because she's really into him and be
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: fueled by that insecurity of like being cheated on, and like,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: but I still want to be enough for you though,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Like it's again, like you said, a tale as old
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: as time. But I'm like, Veronica, deal with this shit
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: with you and Micah without tearing down the rest of
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: the fucking family. Yeah, why are we going after Mariah?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Why are we going after.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Because it's a Wayah, it's fucked up. It's not necessarily
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: about Mariah, it's not necessarily about Barry. And it's not
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: that they didn't do anything wrong. We really haven't learned
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: too much about like what went down exactly. But in
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: addition to whatever that was, it is a way to
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: hurt Micah because you can see that he is in pain.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: He is about this situation and he's trying to figure
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: out how to navigate it, how to like bring his
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: girl to the table and his folks to the table.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: But like he doesn't know what to do. And I
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: feel like maybe Veronica senses this as a weakness and
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: therefore exploits it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, And to this day, I saw her on her
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Instagram story today she is like outing Micah constantly, like
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: she she found out today that he well, she found
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: out today that he made a private Instagram and she's like, hey, everybody,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: let's go follow him and let's go harass him.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: And it's like stop, so gross, dude, it's really really gross.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: He cheated on you. You guys broke up, You had
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: a messy breakup, Like let it go and be done
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: with it and be the bigger person. Like it's it's
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: speaking to her age a little bit, Like she's a
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: little immature. She's obviously hurting and reacting from a place
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: of hurt.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: But she just strikes me as somebody who was bullied
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: as a child. Yeah, And I think because of her
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: height and like she references this and like her looks,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: which I think she's beautiful, and like, I think you're
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: just donning young woman. Like I think because of that,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: she was probably bullied as a child. And sometimes when
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that happens, you turn into that as well as a
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: kind of defense, and you become really strong, really hard,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: and you start visiting this stuff that was done to
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: you upon other people, and you kind of can see this, Yeah,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: how she was going off in front of Amber in
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the first episode, and how she just launches into her
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: diatribe with Teagan, who like is just meeting her. Like
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: she's like, she's doing this reactively. It's not intentional, she's
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: not like thinking about it. I think it's I don't know,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, she means to do it, but from a
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: reactive place. I feel like she's reacting from the trauma
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: of Micah, from the trauma being cheated upon which devalues her,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: which is right, probably something she has experienced many many
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: times over. And she's trying to defend herself in all
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: these different ways and to me, and I'm like, oh,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: you don't need to do all of that. You could
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: just walk away from this man. And yes he's beautiful,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: and yes it's a reality TV show and you could
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: be famous, but like, you don't need to do this
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: at all. You could value yourself. You could give that
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: to yourself. Yep, you wouldn't have to need that from
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: anybody else, and you could walk away. But she's not there, girl. No,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: she's very punitive. She's lashing out, and whoever will listen
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: is who she will be talking to exactly.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: It's really sad, honestly, but also aggravating. And then we
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: shift gears and we have Teagan going to Kim's new
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: rental house to like meet Kim officially and like meet
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: the rest of the family. And this was kind of
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: like a whatever burger, But the only thing that came
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: out of it was like Ethan expressing how he just
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't like Zach and he thinks he's weird and he
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: doesn't like that Zach wanted to hug him when he
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: wanted to give him a handshake. And you have Kim
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: kind of like defending Zach a little bit, which I appreciated.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: She's like, you know, he's not as macho as you, Ethan,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: but like maybe Lydia's into that, and he seems to
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: be really into Lydia. And then we have Kim expressing
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: her concern for Lydia getting married so fast because she
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: wants to make sure Lydia is actually in love with
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: the guy first. But I'm like, Kim, you fucking did
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: that too, and you raised Lydia to be this fucking
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Jesus freak. I mean Jesus cool period period, but like
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: you raised her to be this hymn singing Christian Southern
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Baptist praying in the closet, young naive girl. And now
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: you're like gonna pretend you're concerned about her carrying a
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: guy so quickly. How about you be a mom and
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: sit down with her and say, hey, you shouldn't do that,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: because look at how well it worked out for me.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just so many things that you can indict
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Kim and Barry on as it concerns Lydia. But I
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: mean the alternate side of that is that Lydia has
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: turned into a truly beautiful young woman. I would say naive,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I would say a bit misguided. Yes, I would say, like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I wish you'd go out and just
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: have more experiences, particularly with men and romantic Like I
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: just wish that for you, Lydia. Yeah, but like she
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't want that for herself, and that's okay. And she's
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: an adult woman and that is okay. I think she's
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: a beautiful person with a big open heart. And Kim,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: you raised her to be vulnerable. You raised her to
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: be able to be taken advantage of by somebody else
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: who and Zach may not even mean to do this,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: like Zach is probably programmed and in the Borg and
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the Matrix like the rest of these folks, But like,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: you've raised her to be prime pickens for this lifestyle
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: that's not going to fulfill her. And you know that though, right, Zach,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Because it did not fulfill you. You taught your children
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: to be this way. And I'm just wondering to myself
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: as I watched this fantastic show, like, Kim, are you
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: capable of moments of clarity. No where you see this
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: about it in your life. I don't know. I wonder.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think she is God. She just dark inside?
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Is she just turned off no lights on in the house.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: She's drunk, well, but she's not always drunk like in
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: this scene. She's not drunk. And I do think she's
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: trying to weakly advocate for lydia. But I'm just like, God,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: you could have equipped all of your children so much more.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: And I hope Amber and Cassia and Mercy are watching,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm thankful that they're going to get this version
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: of Kim and Barry versus the indoctrinated horseshit scripture spouting
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Kim Barry that you're never able to manage this kind
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: of life anyway. Fucking hypocrites, straight up.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I just it annoyed me that I'm like, you're being
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: concerned about this, but then you're not doing anything. You're
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: not saying anything to her, You're not expressing this concern
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: as a mom should, as a mom should be like, Hey,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I love you. I know that you love this guy
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: with his weird teeth, but like, maybe you should wait
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Well maybe she knows, she doesn't have that kind of
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: credit with her kids. With her kids, maybe maybe she
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: knows like it would probably be better suited for Ethan
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: to go and have that conversation because she's lost so
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: much credit with somebody like Lydia who is a Turbo
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Christian dude yea, and she is not going to be
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: approving of infidelity and the like that is. And so, okay, mom,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: now you want to tell me how to be in
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: a relationship and be happy. I don't think so that
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: is a great point.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: And like speaking of Ethan, like Kim talks about her
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: relationship with Ethan, and Ethan talks about it too, that
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: how he wants to have a relationship with his mom
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and how he's thankful that he gets to have that
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: now because when he was with Olivia, Olivia and Kim
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: had major beef. And I think this is where maybe
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I think this is where Ethan says that when Olivia
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: and Kim had major beef, he had to take Olivia's
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: side because that was his wife, and so he had
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: to forego his relationship with Kim and the rest of
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: his siblings and everything in order to stand by Olivia.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: And that didn't work out for him. So now, he's
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: thankful that he has Teagan who respects his relationship with
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: his mom and respects the fact that he wants to
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: have a relationship with her. She's supportive, and Kim echoes
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: this and is like, you know, I'm really glad. I'm
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: really grateful that I can have this relationship, especially with Ethan,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: because I will lost so many years with him, and
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just thankful that he's in my life now and
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: that he can be at my house and I get
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: to meet his girlfriend and I get to be involved.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: And she gives him that quilt that she made out
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: of some old T shirts that he had that he
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: didn't want to get rid of. And I guess this
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: was supposed to be a wedding gift that she never
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: ended up giving them because she thought Olivia would burn it.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know how true that is or if that's
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: just like a dig at Olivia.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing, And I just have to
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: say that I hear what she's saying about all this
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: lost time with Ethan, but there was no ownership on
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and why that happened. It was all just placed on Olivia,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Like Olivia wouldn't let him talk to his family, Olivia
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: needed to control him and what he did. I'm like, okay,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: but Kim, what about you? What did you do to
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: alienate Olivia? What did you do to a strange ethan
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and Olivia from the rest of the family. We know
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: that you wouldn't let Isaac join the music band, We
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: know that you wouldn't let the siblings spend any time
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: with them. There were a lot of things that you
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: did to contribute to that estrangement. But all I'm hearing
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: you talk about in this moment is about Olivia.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah and no, Yeah.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Because I watched all the seasons, Kim and you had
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: a hand in that, a bit hand, and that she
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: did well.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: That's the thing, is like two things can be true
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: at once, right. It's like Olivia had her part to
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: play in the division and the family, but Kim fucking
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: did too.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: And I just want to hear that, and I want
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: to hear that from Kim, and I want to hear
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: that from Olivia. I mean, I would love to hear
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: from Olivia if she were saying something like, look, I
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: was insecure, I was deconstructing, deprogramming, I was trying totally
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: freaked out based on my own lived experience, and now
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like put into this weird family and they're trying
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: to control us and they're stealing our money or whatever
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: it is. But I shouldn't have done this, or I
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: could have done this differently and better. Like I'd love
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: to hear that from Olivia, but I give her more
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: of a pass because she's young. She's still in the
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: process too. And then you have Kim fifty four or
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: whatever her age is the age she should know better, yes,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: and she should be to take accountability, and maybe she
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: has off camera, but I mean i'd love to see
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: it personally as a viewer.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I doubt it. Yeah, Like Kim is one of those
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: people that like she's just as bad, but as some
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: of these younger kids that are like super immature. It's like, Kim,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: you're fifty fucking four, you can have that emotional awareness
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: of like, yeah, I should have been nicer to Olivia.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I was hurt. I was going through my bullshit in
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: my marriage where I'm metopausal and I'm married to an
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: actual fucking robot, and I'm super It's sorry, I'm It's like,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: you know, Kim could have that Wherewithal, but she didn't,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: you know, because Kim's also the same person that broke
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: up her family by cheating on Isaac's cheating on Barry,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: with Isaac's flight and structure, Like, she's so emotionally immature too,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: and that's what's so frustrating. Kim sucks, Olivia sucks, Barry sucks,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Ethan sucks. A lot of these people suck.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: A lot of them suck. Now Isaac for me, Isaac sucks.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And you know, I was holding that hope for a
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: little Isaac because he's still Yeah, but like when he
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: was sitting at that table laughing at Zach, I was
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: just like, please don't do that. Please don't be this person,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Please don't become this person, just because it was demonstrated
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: to you by your fucked up family.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I know I would hope. I would hope that Pooky
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Bear would confront him later and be like, Yo, that
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: was mean, that was not okay. But Isaac's also young too.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it wasn't Teagan, it was Kaylin. I
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: was gonna say, I don't think was not there. You're right, Yeah,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: it was my bad. Yeah, I take it back. Good,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: thank you.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: And then we have Ethan talking with Lydia.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my God about Zach. We have been talking so long.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: We have to show but like we have to die
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: a lot, We've got to get into it.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: We've got to get into it. So Ethan, I think
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: they're at the Platt family farm, and Ethan's got Teagan there,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: and Lydia says that she really likes teak In, she
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: fits into the family. And then Teacan goes and leaves,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: and then Ethan and Lydia have their private conversation in
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the middle of the field where which.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Is where she's gonna get married though with the lights hanging?
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which will be really pretty.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: And we've seen the pictures and it looked lovely.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what happens at that wedding. I
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: hope we get to see the fight.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, please Jesus please, I want to please
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: pretty that happened.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so Ethan is going there to talk to
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Lydia because he says he wants to offer her an
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: alternative perspective that no one seems to be giving her,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: which is to proceed with caution and to be a
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: little bit wary of the fact that this is really
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: fast and he's coming at it from I think the
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: perspective of an older brother trying to look out for
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: his younger sister. He I think is trying to be protective.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: But Ethan is chromagnum, so you know, it comes off
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit differently than how he's saying to the
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: cameras how he wants to come off. But he asks
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Lydia like, what do you see this guy? And Liddy's like, well,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I just love him, and he's like godly and like,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just great as amazing, and Ethan's like, well,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: it's a little fast though. You guys have only known
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: each other for like three months, and Ldie is like, well,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: actually four months, so if that matters. And Ethan's like, yeah,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: you know, I just I don't know if I like him.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: He's like, I don't like him because I don't know him.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: He didn't say I don't know if I like him.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: He said I don't like him.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, I don't like him because I don't
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: know him.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: And this weird editing thing happened in this scene, which
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: is where Lydia starts to cry and we're told as
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: the viewer that she's crying because she's having this connecting
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: moment with Ethan where he's showing her that he really
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: loves her and he wants to take care of her.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: But it felt like to me that she started to
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: cry because Ethan said he did not like Zach. That's
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: what it felt like to me. And it was in
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: response to that, And I'm like, Ethan, you were doing
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: so great. You were saying, look, I'm just worried about you. Look,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: the timeline's going a little fast. Look, I've been in
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: a situation it didn't really work out for me. He
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: didn't say that, but I'm sure he was thinking that.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: He being very kind and are you sure, and doing
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the older brother kind of thing. But then he said
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I don't like him, And I thought to myself, like,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: did you really need to say that? Like all of
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: your other points are valid, but to say that you
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: don't like him? And how are you going to qualify that?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: Because she's like, well, why don't you like him? And
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: he has nothing to say. He's like, well, maybe I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: just don't know him. Yeah, I haven't spent all Well,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: then then you don't not like him. It's just you
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: don't know. But you said you don't like him, and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I just felt really bad for Lydia because she is
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: so in love for whatever reason. I'd she is so
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: in love with Zach and she really believes in this
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: path for her life, which I do not co sign
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: or approve of, but she wants it for herself. And
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: you're telling her you don't like her future husband. I'm like,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: that's harsh. You could have said that different. You should
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: have said that different. And if that were my brother,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I would have said, you know, you really you hurt
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: my feelings with that. Yeah, you don't know him. And furthermore,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: we tried to, like go to dinner with you and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Isaac and the rest of the people, and you laughed
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: at my future husband. You made fun of him. That
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: hurts my feelings. Ethan. Yeah, That's what I saw on
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: her face. But then it turned into all of a sudden, well,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I guess he cares, And I'm just so shocked and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: grateful that Ethan cares.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Well. I think she was like crying for multiple reasons,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: and because Lydia is also really young and naive and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: comes from the same cloth that Kim and Berry are
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: cut from, like where she doesn't really know how to
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: express all that she's feeling. I think she's feeling like,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: my feelings are hurt because you my older brother, my
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: oldest brother, doesn't like my future husband. But at the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: same time, you know, Ethan says something like he hugs
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: her when she starts crying, and he's like, I guess
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: I just don't know you very well and like I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: haven't gotten to talk to you very much and now
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: you're gone. And I think that's kind of where her
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: emotion was coming from. I don't, I think so.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I think it was part of it well, but I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: think it started with not liking Zach.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe I think that she was crying because like she realizes, yeah,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: you don't know me, and she says that to that
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: was part of it, like you don't know me. And
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I kind of related to Lydia on that front because
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I felt the same way with my own family, because
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: my own family didn't really like your daughter my wife
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: when they first got together, because we also moved really fast,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: and it was it was kind of rapid the way
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: that we got together and like we moved in and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: then we got married.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Really could I know the most wonderful person I know?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Well? And that's the thing. It's like, maybe Zach is
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: really wonderful and it's like Ethan, how could you not
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: like him? And he makes or he makes Lydia really happy.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing with your daughter. And so with
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: my family, I felt the same way that Lydia felt,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: of like they don't really know me, they don't really
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: know they're not really involved in my life, and they
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: don't really know my relationship, and like, who are you
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: to say that you don't like my person that I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I'm picking for my life, Like I know what I
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: want and I know that I love this person, and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: like my family just didn't know that. And for the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: longest time, that really hurt, and I think I felt
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: that with Lydia. So that was just like my connection.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I think that that was where it was coming from,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: because they do express that, and Lydia does express like,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I can see that he's just trying to
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: be protective, and I think Ethan was trying to be
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: protective in his own chromagnet fucking way.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: But he was also being an asshole, and he was
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: also being judgmental. I don't know if he means and
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with Zach just because Zach doesn't present
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: in the same human way that you do. Doesn't mean
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: there's something wrong with Zach. Just because Zach is a
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: little softer, a little gentler, he likes to sing, he
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: likes to do things with Lydia, they like to laugh,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: they like to dance, doesn't mean that there's something inherently
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: wrong with Zach that's actually really charming. A lot of
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: girls would like that. He seems like a wonderful young man.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: And just because he's not like you, Ethan, doesn't mean
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: he's bad for Lydia or like a weird person or gay.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Sure, yes, I think that the other layer of all
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: of this is that he doesn't even know the fucking dude,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: and like.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: But he's already judged him and he's already made fun
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: of him.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I agree, I just I think he also doesn't know
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: the dude. And now you're gonna marry my young, impressionable,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: blank slate of a sister. I don't know you, I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: don't know your intentions. I don't know your intentions with
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: my family. And now the first time I meet you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: is I'm going to propose and I'm going to ask
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: for Lydia's hand in marriage. Like I can understand the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: perspective of definitely valting like who are you though?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, but he's conducted himself out of integrity up until now.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Therefore he loses points, he loses legitimacy in having this conversation.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: But I mean Lydia is too naive and too in
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: love with Ethan as her brother to like fault him
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: for it. But I fault him for it. I think
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: he's handled this terribly, Yes, and it's not fair. And
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Zach seems like a nice person.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I hope that things get better from here,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: because I think they do. I think because I've I've
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: checked all of their social medias and Zach is still
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: following all of the plaths. He's still friends with all
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: So I guess they didn't try to set him on fire, No,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: they because I mean, I don't know if you tried
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: to set me on fire, which is something by the way,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: that Veronica has said that Micah and Isaac and Ethan
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: did was try to set Zach's a hate crime, like so,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: and who am I I don't know. I'm just sitting
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: up here in North Texas just I'm enjoying my brisket
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: and watching a TV sual. I don't know what actually happened,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: but it just seems to me that Zach would probably
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: not be following those boys if they had done that,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: although you know, he's a very Christian forgiving guy. So
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know the whole story, but it just doesn't
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: seem plausible.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either. But anyways, so Lydia
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: cries her brother doesn't like Zach and he just Ethan
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: just gives her a hug a hug and is like,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I hope that you'll be happy, and then
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: he does talk to the camera about how he believes
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: in God and that he believes God gives us all
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: free will, and this was kind of interesting. That God
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: gives us all free will, which means that we also
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: have to deal with the consequences of our actions and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: our behaviors and everything, and that Lydia is saying that
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: this relationship is all divine and that God is planning
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: all of this for them, and therefore it is absolving
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: her of any kind of responsibility from this act of
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: free will, which is marrying Zach after four months of
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: being with him and not kissing him like he speaks
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: to that. I thought that was kind of interesting. And
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: this is where We've talked about this before in the past,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: that Ethan has these like weird moments of like emotional
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: clarity or like this ability to express like kind of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: more complex ideas ideas, yes, where his chromagnum brain can
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: always like express it. It's just it's kind of interesting
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: that he had this dialogue because I think it's kind
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: of true.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's true as well. And I think if
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Ethan were to get therapy and like an education and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: just like open up his brain and his heart, like
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: he would be able to like understand the way of
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: the world in humanity, but like he's very closed off
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: He really really is, and he really would benefit from
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: fucking therapy. Yes, I wish he would get therapy. All
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: of them would benefit from therapy, indeed, like especially Ethan
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: and especially Mariah and Micah probably yes. And then the
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: last scene of this episode.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: God, I hope. So we've been here for an hour.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: I know it is a long one and there's a
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: lot of the things to talk about, but the last
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: scene is that we have the day of Lydia's surprise proposal,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: and so like a lot of the family are starting
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: to get together and rally up because they're going to
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: go hide in the bushes or something, while Zach proposes
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: to Lydia, and we have Veronica and Micah who are
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: staying at some weird haunted cabin that burying kim own.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's like one of their vacation property. Yeah,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: it looks terrible, looks absolutely horrible. But they're staying at
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: this haunted cabin. And then Ethan and Taguan arrive to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, get together with them and do some
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: kind of portion of the surprise proposal. But we start
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: with Veronica and Micah. Veronica's already mad because she can't
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: find her fake fucking eyelashes.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Well, she's worked herself up on the way up from
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Florida because she feels like she's going to have to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: confront the family, and she's on a mission really to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: call them out and tell them how she feels. And like,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: as this scene continues, we hear Ethan and we hear
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Micah saying, well, like, okay, valid, I guess, but like
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: maybe not today though maybe not on the day that
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Lydia is going to be engaged to Zach, like can
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: you just hold it in? But like Veronica is ramping
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: up to being very disruptive.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like she's starting off negative, really negative, so negative.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: She's like getting mad at Micah because she can't he
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: can't find her makeup or whatever. And like Micah speaks
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: to the camera about how he's really trying to like
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: manage Veronica's emotions and he's like trying to make sure
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: everything's okay. He wants to cultivate this relationship with Veronica,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't want to do that at the sake
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: or at the expense of his family and his relationships
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: with his family, So he's walking a very tight rope.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: He does not seem very happy no having to do
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: all of this, and it's a really unfair position for
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Micah to be in in a relationship where he has
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: to manage Veronica's emotions. And Veronica speaks to the camera
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: of like, yeah, he's doing everything he can to make
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: sure that I'm not set off, ha ha ha, and
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: it's like that's toxic.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you should be regulating your own emotions, yes,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: And Micah should be handling his family on behalf of
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: the relationship that he has with you, But he does
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: not have a responsibility to be managing you and whether
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: you're going to pop off or not.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: No, not at all. It's crazy. And then when Ethan
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: and Tigue and arrive, like this is the first time
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: that girl Veronica's even meeting Teagan honey, and she already
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: has like a chip on her shoulder because I guess
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: she like Facebook stocked Teagan. It is like, well, we
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: already have a lot in common because we're both tall
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: blondes that like went to college in Florida, and we
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: both like played volleyball, So maybe we'll get along or
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: maybe we'll be a wormhole that will consume each other.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: It's like settled down out, like can't we just exist?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: And can't you just meet somebody and have it be easy?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Straight up?
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: How does it have to be? Like so much agro
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: energy brought into every moment. And then she meets Deagan
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: and Tiacon is kind of timid, she's a little bit shy.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: When she met Kim, for example, she was very quiet.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: She did not know what to say. And so then
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: here she meets Veronica, who's like all energy, all hard edge,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: and Veronica immediately launches into talking crap about the family
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: and talking crap about Mariya and what happened with Mariah
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: and how Barry did this and how the family did that.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, Tiakan is just meeting you, do
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: you have a fundamental inability need to like pop out
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: of yourself and just observe yourself in this moment, Like
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: how crazy you seem. It's not that what you're saying
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: isn't valid. It's not like you haven't been through a
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: lot for Veronica, But the way you are conducting yourself,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I say again, is discrediting the thing that has happened
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: to you. So now people can point and say, ill,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: look at how she's acting. Absolutely not and she's still
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: doing it. Oh social media on Reddit. I mean she
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: is up in every subreddit just defending herself and being
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: sarcastic to people who disagree with her. Like very unbecoming behavior.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't need to be that way.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't at all. It's crazy. And like you
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: have sweet Teagan saying to the camera, like, you know,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I want to be the kind of person that like
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: holds space for a conversation and like is present in
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: the moment, but like I don't think that it's appropriate
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: to be talking mad shit about other people, especially on
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: a day that is supposed to be about Lydia and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: her secret proposal that's supposed to be very special, and like, Veronica,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: you're starting shit.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: And out of the gate starting shit, dude.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: And then they all four sit together and they talk
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: more mad shit, and it's like all centered around Veronica
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: and how she feels because she's scared about seeing Marian,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: She's scared about seeing Barry because she hasn't seen them
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: since the day of the concert last year, and she
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: feels like she's got to confront them about how they
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: mistreated her on the day of Lydia's proposal.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Which really does point to the fact that Veronica is
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: something's wrong with you, Like, I feel like you've got
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: main character syndrome. Are you yourself some kind of a
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: narc It's again not that you don't have legitimate grievances,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: but it's that you can't platform yourself, Like you can't
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: not platform yourself above everybody else, and there's something inherently
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: wrong with that. And then it was upon Reddit and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: I was just like seeing some of the comments that
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: people were saying about Teagan, yeah, versus how they're like
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: writing for Olivia and for Veronica and I'm just like,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: did you see any of that and what did you get?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, it pissed me off. People are like talking about
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Teagan's looks, and they're talking about how she's like super
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: insecure whatever. They're talking shit about how she's just manipulated
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: by Ethan and all of a sudden, like they're like
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: tearing her to shreds, and I just think it's based.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: On what she didn't do anything in this episode, a
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: very nice person and just say I don't want to
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: gossip about people like I mean, you're for Lydia.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: And I just think it's funny that we get called misogynistic, yeah,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: for talking about Olivia and Veronica and being critical of
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: some of their shitty behavior, But they these same people
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: mm hmm can be outwardly misogynistic, rul and cruel.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: So very unkind to.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: What just because she's with Ethan and she thinks he's handsome.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe is Veronica talking crap about Teagan
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: on social media? But like I don't know what's happening,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: like peripherally, I know what I'm watching on the television,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: and there's nothing that Teagan has given thus far that
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: has been objective that has been part of a conflict
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: that has been argumentative. Like she's just trying to meet
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: the family and be a part of this very special occasion.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: So for people online to be tearing her down based
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: on what your allegiance to Olivia and Veronica, that's whack.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: It's gross, it's whack. And people come for us because
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: we try to have like nuanced views and talk about
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: like all of the angles, and we do, and we
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: disagree all the time, and they want to come for
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: us because we don't one percent agree with you. Guess what,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: we never are Guess what, Say what you want, think
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: what you want. We're just gonna watch the show that
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: TLC presents to us, and we're gonna tell you how
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: we feel about it. So we're not gonna come fortiagu
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: in just because she doesn't agree with Veronica in the moment,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Like that's stupid, it's so can't stand that hive mind
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: bullshit met whether it's women, whether it's men, whatever it is,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: like you can't see the color, you can't see the nuance,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: you can't see the various angles to like see how
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: people are feeling in a moment. And again I say,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: it's not like Veronica doesn't have a legitimate grievance. She does.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: This girl has been put through it, and Micah, you
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: ain't shit. But at the same time, we also have
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: to stand her really bad behavior for actual abusive behavior.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: If you ask me and throw somebody like teaking under
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: the bus, I don't get it. I'm not ever gonna
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: do it. And that's why this podcast might not be
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: for you if you're sensitive. Sorry facts, I had to
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: say it, period, I had to say it.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I add that I've been feeling some type
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: of way ever since we started this first episode because
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: I knew all you did.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: You warrant me. I want to watch the show, I
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: want to recap the show, but I just know we're
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: gonna have this sea of Harodin's coming for us because
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: we're not team Olivia or Veronica or Ethan or whatever. Like,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: we don't agree necessarily, and.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: It's like, I'm totally fine if you disagree, that's completely fine,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: and I respect it. Entitled to your own opinions. But
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: to call us missogynistic because we're critical of characters on
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: the show, fucking while, and to call his misogynistic.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: For that, because you can't have a conversation, go.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: Around and be misogynistic towards Teagan because she's dating one
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: of your least favorite characters. This show is absolutely fucking
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: hypocritical and gross. Sorry about it, fuck y'all. Anyway, back
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: to get back to Veronica and Micah and Ethan and
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Tagan talking mad shit. It's Veronica against the other three
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: that are trying to advocate for Mariah and for Barry
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: and for this day, for Olivia, for the proposal, and
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Veronica's like, no, Mariah Barrier, awful people, I don't even
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: want to be a part of the family. I feel
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: like I need to say something because what they did
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: was absolutely fucking disgusting and terrible, and I need to
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: confront them. On Lydia's day of her proposal.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Then why are you here? That's why you're here. You're
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: here to create drama, to create drama. You're here to
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: make it about you, and it'bout your crazy because you
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: don't know how to process and deal with your own pain.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: And what was interesting so selfish.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: It's so fucking selfish, unbelievably, and it's like, also what
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: I said, I think last week when we covered the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: first episode about how this black and white thinking is
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: gonna get you nowhere if you can't see all sides
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: of everything. Even Micah speaks to that in this episode.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: He's like, I feel like I have the ability to
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: view my family through my own eyes and also view
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: my family in this situation through Veronica's eyes, But she
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: doesn't have that ability to do the same for me
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: and to like to view it from a different lens,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: Like she just fews it from her own perspective and
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: from the fact that her feelings are hurt. And again,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: like we mentioned, you even talked about this on the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: first episode about how what Mariah did was wrong and
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: like a shitty thing to do to a friend, but
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: she apologized and Veronica doesn't. It's no and especially now
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: that we know that the real issue is that Mike
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: has been cheating on you the entire fucking time.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Well, if you can just kind of compare and contrast
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: with Olivia. When Olivia sat down with Mariah last season,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: I think and they tried to just kind of hash
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: it out. They agreed that they might never be best
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: friends again, but that they could at least coexist with
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: one another and forgive one another. Like Olivia has an
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: infinite amount of grace far surpassing what Veronica is able
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: to do. And I don't see somebody like Olivia ruining
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Lydia's day because she has some kind of a grudge
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: and she needs to talk about it in front of
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: everybody and call people that. I think she would have
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: reserved that for a later time because she didn't. She
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: wouldn't need to make it all about herself. That's what
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I personally think. So that's just shining a light on
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: how escalating I think Veronica is and how much she
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: needs to make it about her. And I feel like
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: Olivia did that a lot too. I think Kim does that.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: I think Mariah does that. But like Veronica is a
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: whole another Oprah. There's a whole another Oprah.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: She's so much louder about it all, whereas like and meaner. Yeah, Like,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: whereas like Olivia was just the person that like stayed
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: in the car and like didn't want to interact with
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: anybody at like Joshua's memorial, you know, like she was
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: more passive about it as opposed to Veronica, who wants
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: to make it a confrontation and like wants to be
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: mad and like be expressed.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: And make it uncomfortable for everybody. And did you notice
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: I was watching Ethan when they were all talking together,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: taking Ethan, Micah, Veronica, and Ethan was trying to reason
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: with Veronica, well, like you're gonna have to figure out
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: can you tolerate it. If you can't, then maybe you
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: don't want to be a part of the family. But
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: like he was trying to reason with her, but he
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: was clocking her at the same time, like, oh, this
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: checks out of control, Like there's no actual reasoning with
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: this woman. She doesn't want to hear it. She wants
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: to be a disruptor in this family, and we can
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: have all kinds of conversations about how this family needs
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: to be disrupted for a lot of different reasons. She's like,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: not on Lydia's day though, No, Yeah, this is about
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: my sister Lydia, sof Veronica, and she's not gonna She's not.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: It's not no because Mariah has yet to arrive at
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: the shindig, and when she does, I think it's going
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: to go down well.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure I think I saw previews like
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: when the season was like airing that I think Veronica
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: does confront Mariah and I don't know if it's at
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: this proposal day or if it's at the wedding, but
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: I know she confronts her like at a big event
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and it's like so inappropriate, like it's not
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  Speaker 2: the time to do this, and like Ethan is trying
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: to express that in his best chromagnum way, which is like,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be funerals, there's gonna be birthdays, Like you're
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: gonna have to be present for these things, and you're
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: gonna have to be able to tolerate it. And he
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: says to the camera like it's that age old saying
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: if you want to have friends, you have to be friendly,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that that's true. Like a heard he
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: compares this situation to what happened with Olivia, which I
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: thought was interesting because he's like, this is the same
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: shit that Olivia did, where she picks a hill to
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  Speaker 2: die on, and that's what she's got to do. She's
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: got to pick all these little hills to die on
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: and make a big deal out of all this stuff
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  Speaker 2: when it's like not always the best time. It's just
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  Speaker 2: not always the best time.
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  Speaker 1: No, And there's something to be said for that, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and if the end result of what you really want.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: If your goal is to create a sense of peace
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  Speaker 1: and harmony with people, then you would be mindful of
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: the right time to talk about things and to approach people.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Though, I don't think Veronica wants peace.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she wants harmony. I think she wants
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: to sew discord. I think she wants to cause trouble.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we've got her on FaceTime with Olivia, just
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: trying to make trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: And I can understand the impulse. I get it. I
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: can see why she's hurt. Of course, I can see
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: why she really needed the family to rally around her.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: But like Mariah's their sibling and daughter, and like, there's
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: just some things that make it more difficult Veronica. And
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: it would be really cool if you just learned how
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: to be a little bit more mature. In my opinion,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: it's moot though, because we know that after the wedding
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Lydia and Zach's wedding that I think Isaac dumps Vernica,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: although I think Veronica, I'm sorry, Micah, Micah dumps Veronica.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Although I think Veronica is trying to say that she
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: dumped Micah, but I actually don't think that's what happened.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: I think Micah goes to the hospital because Isaac kicks
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: his ass and he doesn't even tell Veronica, and then
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: it's over. It's all done, and Veronica, you have everything
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: to do with that, just like Micah does well.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: And it's like you're not listening to anybody, like Ethan
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: is literally trying to tell you that Mariah is deeply
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: affected by this situation that happened with you and her,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Like she is so affected that Ethan says she's unrecognizable,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: like her appearance is unrecognizable. She looks fucking sad. I
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: felt the beginning of this episode startled that she is
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: deeply troubled and it's obvious to everyone but you apparently,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: and you don't care. You don't give a shit that
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: she's deeply affected by it, because you only care about
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: how you feel about the situation. And even though Mariah
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: tried to apologize to you and the best way that
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: she knows how, which is in writing, and I think
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: her apology was earnest.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: I do too. I thought it was really articulate and wonderful, It's.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: Still not good enough for you and Ethan does say,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: He's like, you know, Mariah should make it right for
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: write with you in person. She should try to apologize
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: to you. But like Veronica, you need to do your
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: best to try and see her side instead of just
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: only seeing everything through your own lens. It's like crazy,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Ronica is toxic. She's hellotoxicus.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: She's super toxic, and.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: Like Micah tries to tell her, like, can't you just
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: be thankful for something? And she's like, no, it's not thanksgiving.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, which I mean right, It's like, oh
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: my god, yeah, she ate with that. I'm like, no,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: that's a toxic really unkind yep, it's really ungrateful, it's
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: really it's really unattractive.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: It's not emotionally mature in the slightest.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's mean. You're a mean person, super mean. And
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: if you want to show me a different version of yourself,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: because you're just hurt in this moment, like I'm willing
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: to see it, but like what I have seen so far,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: you're controlling your mercurial and your.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Mean, your mean, and then you're still popping off.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: My line one year later, cannot control yourself emotionally unregulated.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: And then we get to the preview for next week's
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: episode and we have Zach in a suit and he's
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: bossing everybody around. According to Ethan, Ethan doesn't like the
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: fact that this guy that he thinks is gay is
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: telling him what to do on the day of Lydia's proposal.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: It's a very special day for Zach and he's being
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: very intentional. And I'm sorry, Ethan, get over it, I know.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: And like Ethan just gets so red hot mad about it,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I want to throw him in the water.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, chill, dude, such Taurus. I'm just kidding.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot. He's a tor You can't tell him
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: what to do.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: No, I think that's kind of what it is. I
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: think we did their birth churts a while ago. I
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: think he's got a lot.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Of Tourus and that's Taurus as well. Yeah, he's an
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: unmovable object.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, And it's like, chill out, bro.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: The answer is no, he's not going to No.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: He's not. And then we have Lydia who's getting ready
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: for the special day. She thinks she's going to spend
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: a day with her dad, but Barry is going to
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: drive her over to the field where she's going to
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: get proposed, and she looks so cute, she looks a
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: little redstress.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: I can't take it. She's so pretty, She's a ray
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: of sunshine. She is so sweet, young lady.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: And you know, I will say, like, at least she's
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: getting married to somebody like Zach who is a little
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: bit more soft and everything, like, at least there's that. Yeah,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: she's not getting married to like some abusive drug exactly exactly.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: And then we have Ethan who wants to kind of
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: test or haze Zach a little bit, some kind of prank,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: but he wants to test him because he's like, I
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: gotta do it because if he's going to propose to
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: my my sister. And then Veronica is literally egging him
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: on and is like, yeah, let's do it. We got
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: a test.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: It set fire to the.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: And then they set the fire, and I'm like, is
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: this the fire you were talking about, Veronica when you
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: made the accusation that he tried to set Zach on fire?
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Because you see Zach in the previews that's putting out
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: the fire.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, honey. If she is equating this prank
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: from Ethan and having Zach stomp the fire out because
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: it's a joke as them trying to set him on fire,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: as the homophobic hate crime. I will never ever get
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: over it. That was nice, so ridiculous and awful. That's
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: a demonic spirit. I am now entering the realm of
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: the principalities and the power, yes, which we have to
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: pray against Veronica.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: Now can people? I'm like, is this what you were embellished?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Because there was a fire a fire, Veronica?
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: And if it's just a fucking stupid brother prank and
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: it's nothing about homophobia or anything of that nature, and
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: this is when and you participated in.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: It, and you instigated it, you egged it.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: On that vibe.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: But that's the cocreta. Just how damn seriously good episodes? Girl?
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: This season honey is fucking fire fire, let me tell
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: you like that was My other takeaway is like, whatever
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: Plathfyll is doing Sister Wives, you need to pay attention
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: because they were listening to the notes, they were paying
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: attention to what the zeitgeist and the ether was saying,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: and they changed stuff. They made Kim admit to her
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: do you why? And they're showing us more of the
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: inner workings of this family and the divorce and what's
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: happening and all of these things. It's so interesting. Of course,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: we hate everybody, everybody sucks, things are bad and everything,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: but it is more authentic.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: It's more raw and gritty and I'm loving it. And
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I have hope Beatrice too. We're going
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: to get to the wedding and they're going to show
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: us that there was a fucking fight between Isaac and
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Micah and Micah almost had a dislodged nose off of his.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: Bag because I want to know how it even got
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: to that point, what happened. I want to know what happened.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: Why is Isaac drinking? He's only nineteen years old.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: And Lydia is apparently drinking according to Vera, I.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: Mean, give me one margarita, I mean apparently Veronica's like
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: I've seen her tank a lot of Margarita's, and so
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: these kids are drinking underage at the West to there's violins.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, I want to see it all. I want
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: to see it. Every single Oh we eat so good
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: to me, he is so good at a dupes is
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: so good, so fun? Yeah, Well, is there anything else
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: that we need to say to these beautiful raccoons before
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: we get up on out of here, Beatrice.
• 1:28:55
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• 1:28:58
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• 1:29:02
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• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: get rid of all these haters.
• 1:29:05
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• 1:29:08
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• 1:29:11
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• 1:29:13
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• 1:29:15
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• 1:29:27
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• 1:29:31
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• 1:29:35
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• 1:29:37
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• 1:29:40
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• 1:29:42
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• 1:29:57
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• 1:30:00
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• 1:30:06
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