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Ep8 Lisa Daggs on Addiction, Shame & Finding Freedom in Christ · Mental Health Matters for Christians

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I just, I started dabbling in things that when I wanted to
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numb myself, you know, these things help me not feel and I
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would choose them over feeling too much like I was arrested
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four different times, OK. And the last time I was
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arrested, and thank God, the final time, at that point, I had
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up to $1000 a day Rock cane habit.
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Hey everybody, I'm Christine. Welcome back to the Mental
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Health Matters for Christians podcast, where we take a look at
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powerful transformation stories to give you hope and insights to
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help you get unstuck and experience more of the freedom
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Jesus promises his followers. In today's episode, I sat down
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with country music singer Lisa Dags, and she unpacked her
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journey with years of alcohol and drug addiction that
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eventually landed her in prison before the Lord intervened and
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before she got into recovery. Today, she uses her testimony to
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encourage and challenge others who struggle with substance
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abuse and addiction. Let's get into it.
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I know you have a heart for helping people who've been
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through hard things and who may struggle with addiction because
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you walked out of that. And, you know, we talked about
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faith and mental health on this show.
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And so before we get into the the part of the addiction part
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of your, you know, can you just give us some of your background?
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Like who are you? For those who don't know who
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Lisa Dags is? As someone who loves sometimes
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to a fault, I love the Lord. I'm very grateful, girl, for
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what he's done. I was raised in a a Christian
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home after my parents divorced. My mom became a Christian after
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she married my dad. So things changed in his life
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quite a bit, you know, And they divorced when I was 10.
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And that was devastating. I didn't even know there was a
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problem. I never heard him argue.
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So Lisa was a, was, was a little girl who was the youngest of
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three, the only girl, but never felt like she used daddy's
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little girl. I never remember sitting on his
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lap. Later in life, he came to the
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Lord at one of my concerts and things changed, you know, and,
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and I was able to lead him to Christ, which is awesome.
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Wow. My brother who was a heroin
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addict at 11:59. So everyone I know his life.
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Wow. It was, it was, it was, it was
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pretty tumultuous and it was, you know, we were at the swim
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team in the Cabana Club. And so we rode our bikes all
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over the place, you know, and we just did what we're going to do
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and be home for dinner, kind of the thing.
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So yeah. So you mentioned I was never
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daddy's little girl, is I? I assume you said that on
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purpose because that may be part of something that drove you.
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I mean, do you think that set you up to look for some kind of
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male affection or something later?
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Oh, I definitely, as I got older, I needed, I chose men who
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needed me kind of a thing, yeah, so that I could fix them, like.
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Tell me emotionally, I don't know, unavailable man or
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something like that. Oh, you're rescuing like, right?
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Kind kind of rescuing people who needed me and then I fix them to
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kind of how I wanted, thought they should be or whatever.
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No, no control that she's there. Then you know, the relationship
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would typically fall apart. So I don't know really where all
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that stems from. It just needing to be needed,
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wanting to be needed, wanting to be loved and when you you know
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it's very important fathers that are listening is that your
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relationship with your daughter is huge because that will shape
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her idea. It has to be healthy, you know,
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and and boundaries and and treat her differently than you do your
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sons. You know, because she's your
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daughter and you're going to set her up to choose someone who is
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healthier for her. So it's a big.
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Role dads absolutely no I I I. Dads are a big role.
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It's longs are a big role. I know, right?
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Don't you know? Both, yeah, it's just different.
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Well. Yeah, that's kind of how we
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planned. It I know that's how the Lord
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designed it, right? And when when either 1 is not
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available and depending if you're a, you know, a daughter
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or a son, it has a different impact.
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Yeah, well, there's there becomes holes in your life,
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right because they're not being filled.
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My mom was never my mom wasn't amazed you would love her She
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because she smacked right on the mouth.
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She saw it and that's how she greeted everybody and she was a
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a a very gentle giant in in the word in her Christian walk.
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Yeah, she that per meetings at my house every Friday night and
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60 young people 18 to 28 would end up in our, what, 15 by 15
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living room, all having a big old prayer meeting.
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At least it was down at the river at the kegger party going.
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Oh, Lord, I can't even go home, you know.
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Oh, so you? So there would be all the youth
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group happening at your house, but you'd be somewhere else.
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Yeah. And why is that, you think?
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Are we are we talking teenage years?
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I guess? Right.
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Yeah, it's teenage years. Teenage years.
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I just, I started dabbling in things that when I wanted to
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numb myself, you know, and those became really more important
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than following my mom's advice or following her walk or
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following her counsel. These things help me not feel.
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And I would choose them over feeling too much, you know, And
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also a lot of people that came to those permians would call her
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mom. And I'm like, man, she has one
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daughter, You know, so Fast forward to I have one daughter.
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And that's all I've had is one daughter.
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She's 25. And so you you had.
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Siblings though. Oh.
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Yeah, I have two older brothers. Right.
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She had one daughter, but other people call her mom.
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And so how does that make you feel as a child, like they're
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calling her mom and not as? Important, you know, not, not
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very valued. Right, because she was mothering
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a bunch of other people. Yeah.
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So I was jealous. OK, I'm gonna get down to it.
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I was jealous. Yes.
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Like you have one daughter, you know, you're only mom to three,
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you know, great. My two brothers and myself.
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So when my daughter Faith got real involved in school in the
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theater and and cheerleading and and the kids would come over, we
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had the hang house across the street from the school.
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Oh, I love you. Can I call you mom?
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And I said no, but I'll be here for you.
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I'll be here in the all around and anything you need, I'll be
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here to talk to you about. I am here for you.
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'Cause you didn't want your daughter to think why are they
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calling? Her, her mother, when it hurt me
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so it was suddenly that I changed.
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Good for your life. But it was good 'cause I didn't
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want her to think that I have one daughter.
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Yeah, you know, I, I can be motherly to you.
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I can, I can stay in the gap. If you have an issue, you don't
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think, you know, of course, to the point of hurting themselves,
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I say something, you know, Yeah, of course.
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That's that's standard protocol in in what we do and.
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Mental health kind of things, yes, but yeah, but it just
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because because of your childhood and that you felt
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rejected by other people taking your mom as a as a kind of a
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mom, you're like, OK, I'm not going to do that.
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I was. Resentful, you know, I was
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resentful that when I was done partying on Friday night, I
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couldn't just go to my bedroom, you know, because it was like
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too many people in the house, you know, it's like, wow.
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And they're loud. It's like, can can you shut the
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front door that you did? You all know the screen doors
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open. It's a hot summer night in
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California, you know, because the whole neighborhood can you
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hear? So you resented the youth group.
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What did you resent, do you think?
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I think I resented the time and the attention, but here I kind
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of ran from it. I I wasn't it's it's a as we
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both know now, after what we people know your story, I'm
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sure. And I came from a, a story of
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brokenness as well, and drugs and alcohol filled that void for
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me for a season. Sin is fun for a season, right?
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But there, you're going to get burned.
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That's in the Bible. Moses going to get.
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Burned. I'm just here and tell you,
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yeah, just if you haven't started, don't.
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Yeah. Because it doesn't work out.
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Yeah. I mean, here's the thing though,
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if sin wasn't fun, we wouldn't be tempted to do it.
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It burned your hand and scarred yourself the first time you
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touched the stove. You probably wouldn't touch it
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again. Exactly.
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So it's just slow creep? Or wouldn't it call it a slow
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fade and that's the way the enemy to bring you in in a slow?
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Fence is a destructive horizon, right?
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And initially it's fun and well. I'll tell you.
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Well, we're talking about there's a female and there's
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male. Well, females menstruate, yes,
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yes. And so when I had cramps, my mom
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had said much, tried a little bit of this Burgundy wine, you
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know, 'cause it'll probably help your cramps.
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Same day as y'all for slang. Guess what?
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I was like boom y'all like this stuff I like I've never heard.
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Of wine as a a remedy for cramps?
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I never heard of that. Well, it worked.
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Yeah. For a while, y'all, For a while,
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right? But you know.
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It was that did that. I mean, were you already
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struggling with any alcoholism? I was.
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Only I think, you know, we we say life is not easy really, for
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I don't think life is just a. Cruise No for a picnic.
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Right. No, it's not.
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We have to work on things. We, we have to realize come to a
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place in our life. When we realize that, you know,
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the only person we can change, of course, is ourselves.
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We have to come to the bottom. The bottom was the beginning.
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That's yeah, that's the name of one of my songs on the the
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bottom was the beginning. And I want to get to that, but I
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want to back up for saying, as you said, you were numbing as a
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as a young person. So if you're raised in a
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Christian home, what do you think you were numbing from?
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Like what did what was the pain that you were numbing from?
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You said you want Daddy's little.
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Girl, I was, you know, I don't remember having much of A
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connection with my dad. I had a good connection with my
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mom when we were one-on-one, or I mean, I was a great little
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girl, you know, I was, I, I wanted to be with my mom all the
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time. We modeled together.
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We did have a relationship, but I guess like just at times, I, I
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held that resentment. And you know, there's a song I
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wrote called holes because we all have them.
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And it says holes in my pockets with him.
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Lenny fell through holes in my heart where love wasn't true.
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Holes I remember and holes I forgot.
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Some were important, some were not.
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But that holes have changed my life, made everything all right
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with the holes in his hands, you know, because that's really
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like, had a lot of heartaches been knocked down, seeing the
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sunrise from the cold, hard ground.
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This world has rubbed me the wrong way.
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And all I got to show for it's holes, you know?
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Wow, that's good lyrics. Yeah.
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So I think we we all get shot up somehow, right.
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From different things. Bullying, gender confusion.
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I remember I came back from a recess and one of the girls I
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was in, I was in grammar school and I was one of the girls, my
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best girlfriend was playing some kind of hand clap game with
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another girl. Like I pushed the other girl
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aside and did I not shoved her and like, got aggressive but
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pushed her away. Yeah.
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Which shouldn't have been. But my 4th grade teacher pulled
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me up to the to the front of the class and picked me up off my
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feet and slammed me up against piano and said, how do you like
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if I do it to you? I'm thinking, wow, you know,
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today that'd be a little bit of abuse, but you know, just there
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were, I guess I always wanted that blue ribbon price.
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OK, I always wanted the 1st place and I, and I feel like I
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did everything I modeled. I was on the swim team, I was on
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the dive team, I all these things and it seemed like I
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always came in with a red ribbon.
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Which is the red ribbon? Is that second place OK?
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A little bit of an overachiever. I've got, you know, and this and
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now if I could just pin this to my head, then I'm somebody, you
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know, if I have a blue. Ribbon man.
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So red wasn't good enough and and what did what did you make
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red mean? The red ribbon.
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I don't know that I ever really thought about that.
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Just not quite enough, right? And so isn't that true?
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Ironic that you can actually look on YouTube the song I would
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call You are enough and we had 64,000 views just in two weeks
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on YouTube because I think a lot of people feel that way.
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Why did he leave me? Why did she leave me?
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Why? Why wasn't I enough for him not
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to stay? Why wasn't I enough for her not
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to cheat? Why wasn't I enough for whatever
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him to take care of me? Why wasn't I enough for him not
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to cuss at me and beat me? Why wasn't I enough for the
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feeling for him not to, you know, rape me?
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Why wasn't I enough for whatever happens in that childhood?
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Yes, him to touch me or her to touch me or whatever yes.
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So I think that yes, foundationally, if you can get
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it when you're young, you're going to save yourself a lot of
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hurt. Get what?
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Get that you are enough. God made you just the way you
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are and he loves you and he wants to heal the heal and feel
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those holes that only he can fill with his love.
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And when we search, he can talk to gosh, remember MTV, where are
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they now? All of them did the same thing.
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All of them rose to fame on drug addicts, Alcoholics, and and it
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beat them up to a pulp. And then a lot of times they
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come back to the Lord. And you don't have to do that.
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Even when you hear stories like Christine's or mine, you don't.
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You don't have to go through the pain sake.
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Spare yourself the pain. That's really I've been trying.
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I've been in full time ministry 36 years.
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I was facing 3:00 to 5:00. Wait, let's let's get to that.
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But just so you're basically saying don't grow up like we
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did. We're always searching and
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making bad choices because I want to get to like the choices
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you made. That got to the point where you
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were facing three to five years in prison.
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So title me there. Just I don't think it's just the
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thing where you can go, OK, I'm going to just take her word for
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it. Right.
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I feel like people have to learn from their own mistakes, but if
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you could learn from other people's mistakes, I think you'd
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be better off. Absolutely.
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We know you'd be better off. Right, we got some of us have to
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learn the hard way. Right, right.
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We're, we're thick, we are a thick headed and I'm expert.
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I'm walking through really the art of letting go as we're
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having this discussion and it's been something that's been going
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on for about 6 months. Letting go of my daughter,
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letting, letting go of trying to help God, you know all those
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things. And it's not, I haven't arrived
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yet, y'all, but I know, I know a little.
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I know a little. I know a little, yeah.
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You've been through some. Stuff.
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So if you can learn anything from what I'm saying, you know,
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that would be the joy of my heart.
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Yeah, so first of all, you started, you drink a little wine
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to get rid of, to help with your cramps.
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Was that your first alcohol? And that I can remember.
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Do that set you on a course of like OK I need to.
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That is warm and yummy. Yeah, I like the way that went
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down. Right.
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And then how do we go from alcohol to a cocaine cocaine
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habit? I think that sin is it doesn't
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matter what the ISM is it like we say we taste it and then you
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want a little more and a little more and a little more and it
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opens doors for you to do things that you never expected to get
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to that place before. If you thought I've never smoked
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a cigarette or I've never taken a hit of a joint or I've never
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done, I've never had a severe and all of a sudden you're
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facing three to five years. I mean, there's things that
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happen in and even with sexual addictions or whatever, it's all
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an ISM. Doesn't really matter if it's
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food or shopping or what we're talking about.
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And ISM like alcoholism or whatever isn't that takes you
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away from God. Yes, that takes you away from
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your purpose. Yes, that takes you away from
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what you were called to do. He made us in his image and for
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me to fight. I've known my purpose,
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Christine. Now, for I didn't know it at the
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time when I made a deal with the Lord, which we can get to at the
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end of my running, but I didn't know that I would really be
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telling my dirt for as long as I have.
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But I made a promise. Yeah, well, what were?
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You and he did his part. OK, and you were running and you
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know you were running. I had an all girl band.
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We were having fun. We were all in Tahoe with.
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Was this a Chris? This wasn't a Christian band.
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This is preview story. OK.
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So, and that's what you want to be a rotted.
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Dags with touch of class and it was all girls and we had text
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tails and short skirts and high heels and.
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So that was the life you. Were living.
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Pursuing, as I mean, well. I wanted to be a singer, yeah.
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And so I was singing in all the Nevada casinos, Tahoe, the whole
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area. There's a lot of them up there.
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And with that life, is that where is it?
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Was it like a party life that came, you know, a rock star?
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Yeah, probably my worst, my my worst section of hours I worked
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was in Reno and it was the 11:00 PM till 3:00 in the morning.
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Yeah. But sometimes we have the 2:00
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to 2:00 to 6:00 in the afternoon and 2:00 in the afternoon.
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Playing to your band. All the girls.
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So when you're walking home to your whatever hotel you're
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staying at after the gig and it's 3 in the morning and you're
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feeling invincible because you, you're all snorted out or smoked
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out with coke or you're has so much champagne and you, you, I
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just do a 360 every now and then thinking that as long as I can
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just see what's around me, I'm going to be fine.
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I mean, it was called the grace of God with the grace of God.
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So how for how many years were you pursuing?
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Like, I'm going to be a rock star singing and then drugging a
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party. And how many years would that?
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Was OK. It's kind of, I've been 3036
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years clean and sober. Congratulations.
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Thank you. That's 1189 Boom, boom.
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No. What did I take that from?
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Yes, I can give it up, but I'm not going to.
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I'm just hard headed enough, right?
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So I was singing first solo was H3 and probably in the church,
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right? It was in the church.
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They pushed the piano bench up to the pulpit.
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Mike and I sang a little song called I love to go to Sunday
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School. And I think my brother, they
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call it Dag's Day. My my dad sang in a trio.
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My mom sang in the choir. My brother rang the bell.
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I had a solo, you know, and just growing up my oldest brother.
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So I have two older brothers. Yeah.
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And that's 18 months older and one that was 11 years older.
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Oh, wow. And so he's saying OK.
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And so he was always in a band and I was just enamored.
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Had beautiful like Merle has smooth, smooth voice, but didn't
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have a lot of self esteem and his my dad and he fought a lot
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growing up and but I just melted into his voice.
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And I think and we always had and we were California.
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So I mean, I don't know. I got to Nashville, start
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singing country stuff and with Bill and Gloria Gaither, which
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is Southern gospel and yeah, but I was more raised on like Dusty
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Springfield, Frank Sinatra, Burt Bacharach in old Throwback Sammy
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Day was Junior Rat Pack, Paul Williams, that kind of Andy,
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Andy Williams. So my mom was like, how I didn't
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get the country. So yeah, I did.
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I I packed up this thing and wanting to sing to bring it all
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together and tie in the question that you asked me is at one
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point in my life I thought I need to go to Nashville.
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I need to be a singer. This is what I want to do.
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And I came, I went to Nashville and I was there about 6:00 or
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seven years working a place called tgi Friday's as a
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bartender and singing different places and singing.
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Haven't we had a four piece girl band there as well?
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But none of my dreams really came true.
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A lot of competition in that town, yes.
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And. And the drinking and the using
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continued and I started dealing cocaine across.
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Oh, bar. OK, Probably better money than
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TGI Friday's, yeah? It was, but like I said, there's
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a price to pay. Sure, you know yeah, I'm not
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advocating to be no dealer. No.
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Well, here's a here's a nice story for you because when I'd
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work with all have a female shift working in all three
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girls. Yeah, so that I could use too.
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We sort. I was always caring and I'd be
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like, I'll just tap them and see.
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I won't say their names, but it'd be like, hey, stall 2.
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And it's like behind on the floor, behind the toilet, on the
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concrete. Oh, was the mirror and a straw
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for them? Oh, you would tell them where to
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go get. In the back, if I wanted to go,
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sure, I hit a better. OK yeah.
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I mean, is the hell. That's just disgusting to think
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about that right now. I mean, yeah, Do you know what I
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mean? Yeah.
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So that's how you service your clients right In the restaurant,
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while you're, while you're. While I'm working, right?
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And so if they came in and they wanted to buy some, I'd usually
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already know freehand and you know beforehand and I would put
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their whatever amount their order into a Bevan app and I
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would just basically you go here.
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Can I get you today? And in the nap, yeah.
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And it is a. Napkin was there steps or else
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I'd be spinning them. If they're not ordinary, spin
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them and spin them right till they're right all in front of
21:41
you. I was really good that what it
21:43
did and they're pouring behind the back, you know, the whole
21:46
thing. Oh.
21:46
You could do all that pop. Those with plug them in down the
21:50
bar. Yeah, I remember that the other
21:51
bar is under. Me, yeah, I don't know the name
21:53
of it, but we're. It is the same thing.
21:55
It was a whole Friday's hoopla. You know, bartender, they asked
22:00
for something and you, you spin the top, you pop the, the pour
22:04
spout on it and then you, it was a long bar.
22:07
So you just, you just Chuck it down there.
22:09
They'd grab it by the neck and then go the glass behind and it
22:13
was pretty much a show. Was fun OK for a season.
22:16
Yes, for a season I I like that you qualify that.
22:19
So then she go from a drug dealer to behind bars.
22:24
Yeah, real bars. Yeah, like like I was arrested
22:27
four different times. OK, speaking go Wilker to go
22:30
back to the hard headed thing. Yes, go for it.
22:32
So yeah, they took four times and the last time I was arrested
22:36
and thank God the final time was November 11th, 1989.
22:40
And at that point I had up to $1000 a day.
22:42
Rock cane habit rolled back to my high school years and mom
22:46
finding a couple joints in my pocket or it's some loose weed.
22:49
That was probably only 7% back then.
22:52
You know, it's pretty dangerous right now.
22:54
Really does eat holes in your skull so and that's when we're
22:58
doing too much cocaine and you're snorting it and you have
23:00
the Nosebleed. It's because you penetrated your
23:02
membrane in your head. Well, I just want to let you
23:05
know that you know little little information, FYI, but.
23:10
A little warning, right? Yeah, but she would say she got
23:13
the the the joints out of my pocket.
23:16
And of course I was holding for somebody, you know, they're not
23:18
mine. Oh.
23:19
Your mom, OK. Yeah, yeah.
23:20
And then she took him to school and my brother and I got called
23:22
in and we had a cop to it and she's like this is going to lead
23:25
to her drugs. And I'm thinking she doesn't
23:27
know what she's talking about. She doesn't really she talking
23:29
about OK ledge $1000 to be a rock cocaine at the final using.
23:34
And I was facing 3:00 to 5:00 and I had an all girl abandoned.
23:37
We're going overseas to sing to the Department of Defense
23:40
military over overseas. Korea, Japan, Australia.
23:47
Tour Lisa Dags of The Touch of Class.
23:49
Finally, the dream was about to unfold.
23:52
Oh my gosh. And that's when you go to jail
23:54
and that's when I get busted and they take another front person
23:57
with my band and they went and I stayed, went to rehab.
24:01
So 60 days clean and sobers when I gave my heart, my life back to
24:04
Christ. Something about I heard
24:06
something about did you find a a Bible somewhere or like what?
24:10
What exactly happened? Well.
24:15
It wasn't I You didn't find a Bible.
24:17
I didn't find a Bible. No, I left my I left my purse at
24:22
a bar, OK, And I'd been up for 10 days.
24:25
What do you mean oh for 10 days in the.
24:27
Doing drinking. Oh, and hit.
24:28
Awake for 10. Days, days smoking cocaine, not
24:31
drinking. OK, not a pillow the whole time,
24:35
right? Wow.
24:36
So I'm stay, I'm at, I'm partying this night at a local
24:39
bar and I leave my purse there. Well, there's some folded up
24:45
little origami grams of cocaine in it.
24:48
And I was going to a 49er game the next day and I went back and
24:52
like, Oh my gosh, I'm gonna still up my purse at the bar.
24:54
And I went to the bar and he said we even picked this up from
24:56
the Sheriff's Department, and that's what I did.
24:59
Wow, are you so serious that emoji would?
25:04
Exactly. And I'm like, oh heck, to the
25:06
know what? So the they gave your your purse
25:10
to the cop. They called the cops.
25:12
So now is there a worn out for your rest or something?
25:15
Because. I'm so I'm up 10 days, so no
25:18
sleep. You can imagine how kind of
25:22
crazy that was, right? And I had my little Toyota
25:25
Celica and I'm driving. I'm, I'm living at someone
25:28
else's house and I'm in my mom's neighborhood and I'm driving
25:31
around and I'm trying not to look over and I see the cop car
25:34
at our house. I see the teal leather purse
25:36
that I left in his hand. He's walking up to the doorstep.
25:39
I'm thinking, Oh my dear Jesus. Oh my, Oh my God.
25:42
I was, I was tripping. I was tripping hard.
25:46
So he walks out to. You, you know, I'm driving
25:48
around seeing this cop go up to my mom's store and then Carrie,
25:52
she'll go, I'll take it for her. He goes, no, I want to give it
25:54
to her. And so he walks back to the car
25:58
and he's sitting in the car. And finally, Christine.
26:00
Oh, yeah, I'd, I'd already seen him like 6 or 7 times.
26:05
I've already driven by 6 or 7. So he's trying to arrest you and
26:09
you're trying to go home and you can't.
26:11
Well, I wasn't living with, but I saw that was my address on my
26:15
I said, so you went to my mom's house and the address was there
26:19
and I ended up just pulling right up in front of him and
26:22
getting out. Really.
26:24
I said, I think you're looking for me.
26:27
I think you're looking for me. What do you say?
26:30
And so he grabs my license out of the teal blue leather.
26:35
You know, I remember, I remember details and he looks at the
26:41
license, looks at me, looks at the license, looks at me.
26:45
Mind you, I've been up for 10 days.
26:47
Right. You probably don't look as good.
26:48
Yeah, he goes. You look like hell.
26:50
That's exactly what I said. You look like hell.
26:53
And I'm like, thanks. And then we talked for about
26:57
30-40 minutes and I was sharing my story with him and yeah, I
27:02
gotta quit. Da, da, da, da, da.
27:03
Yeah, that's my. Is this your purse?
27:05
Yes. Are these your drugs?
27:06
Yes. Those are the questions he asked
27:08
me. And leaving a purse overnight
27:09
somewhere I could have said no, There's no way they could prove
27:13
that I did, you know? So it was only 5 grams, $500
27:17
worth. And that's a felony, right?
27:20
It was felony. Yep.
27:21
I don't think it'd be today. I think they just started to do
27:24
that. And they said, yeah, anyway.
27:25
But yeah. But yeah, it was quite the
27:28
journey. And my sweet mother, you know,
27:31
got a call. So I called her.
27:33
She said, honey, I told you you weren't supposed to drive
27:35
because I'd had DUI's before that.
27:37
I'm like, go, honey, this is so much more than that.
27:41
I'm think, you know, but I I sat in that jail cell and there was
27:46
a lot of people in there rocking back and forth picking scabs.
27:49
And I'm thinking this piety, you know, I don't belong in here.
27:54
What am I doing? Any.
27:55
Oh, well, I was supposed to be on tour and you know, I sing and
27:59
you know, we all that, you know, and I'm like, I was the last one
28:04
in there. Everybody else had bailed out
28:06
and by myself. Oh, wow.
28:10
And I just had a little talk with Jesus and then, you know, I
28:14
don't how did I get here? How did I get here?
28:19
And it was that still small voice like he whispered, wasn't
28:25
audible, but I knew it was him. And he just said compromise
28:30
because of your compromise. Do you see your consequences?
28:35
Then I was like, well, see, if you Get Me Out of this mess this
28:41
time, I promise you. You said this.
28:43
Yes, I promise you I'll never quit telling people what you did
28:47
for me. I can't do three to five.
28:49
I can't do this, you know? And I still probably was holding
28:51
in my heart, to be honest. I want to go on tour too, you
28:56
know, I mean my dreaming finally came true.
28:58
Traveling all over, being the lead of an all girl band.
29:01
That's fun. But I went to rehab and 60 days
29:07
clean and sober. I gave my heart and my life back
29:09
to Christ, said do you have all of me?
29:13
You know, I have to give up my dream of ever singing again.
29:15
Ready. I have to give you everything.
29:19
What? Why?
29:20
Because what was behind the dream of ever?
29:22
Singing. I was doing it.
29:23
I did. I had my hands all over.
29:25
It it was for your own like, yeah, I don't know where the red
29:28
glory. Yeah, glory, glory.
29:31
OK. Yeah, I guess what was it
29:34
definitely wasn't for his, right?
29:36
Yeah, you know, yes. Plus everything that we were
29:39
doing so that you do when you're high.
29:43
So what was the road to recovery light for you?
29:46
Well, I got to go to rehab and they got to go to Korea, Japan
29:50
and I was in a route. I was in a house that had out
29:55
out houses, not not out houses like you have in the South, but
30:00
other houses that had twin beds. Everybody had a twin bed.
30:04
There was a five person detox and 15 women.
30:10
That was a lot. And there were rules and you had
30:15
blackout for 30 days, no phone calls, no visitors.
30:20
And you had to do 90 meetings and 90 days.
30:24
And you had to work the steps. You had to be up in a certain
30:28
time for devotions. You know she was a Christian
30:30
rehab. I was I was going to go to Teen
30:33
Challenge, OK, but I was high when my mom took me there and I
30:37
didn't remember meeting Joan Costa, who who was the head lady
30:44
of the women's teen talent. And we by this, I was about four
30:49
months clean and sober and I thought this big to do that we
30:52
were having at a huge AG church out on the on the West Coast and
30:56
she was in charge of the Teen Challenge women's house.
30:59
And I said yes, we had AI had a radio show actually, and I had
31:03
her on as a guest. And I said, I don't remember.
31:05
We I met you for the first time at at Capital Christian Center
31:09
at the Karen share where we we clothed, we had a guest and we
31:13
let them go shopping and all the women who bought fine, fine
31:16
things and and let him just pick out a couple of outfits.
31:19
Let the down down to our guest, our guest that we bought a
31:22
ticket for this brunch and fashion show.
31:25
I said, it's really nice meeting because that wasn't the I'm on
31:27
my show called reality check recovery talk on the radio on
31:30
the fish. She says, Lisa, that wasn't the
31:33
first time we met. And I was like, yeah.
31:38
And she reminded me. I was sitting across from her
31:41
desk at Teen Challenge, and my mom brought me in.
31:44
I don't remember it, so I wasn't ready.
31:50
But I think when you come to the end of your running and you're
31:54
so exhausted and you have no more strength left, man, it's a
32:00
good place to hit your knees and just say, man, I'm already down.
32:05
I might as well about an hour or about later, right.
32:08
So that's what I was doing when I pulled into that cob is bow
32:11
now just what it what, what, what do you got?
32:15
You know, I really thought he was going to let me go for a
32:17
while. He didn't.
32:19
He was because. He talked to you for 1/2.
32:20
Hour, he said. Oh man, because I got away with
32:23
a lot and I was arrested three times before that knock for one
32:26
was a drunk, wet, reckless. So it was under 8, under 21, it
32:31
should be a DUI and then it was a DUI, then it was a DUI with
32:35
possession, then it was a possession for sale.
32:37
So they did mark it down to a misdemeanor.
32:42
I just don't have my Maya Second Amendment rights back yet.
32:47
Oh, the right to bear arms, Yes. OK, but so so how did you end
32:52
up? You have you're willing to give
32:53
up your music because you were like, you wanted to do things
32:56
God's way, right? How did that come back in your
32:58
life? Six months clean and sober.
33:00
I was at the church. I did 200 hours community
33:05
service. I had a healthy fine for my
33:07
arrest and had four years formal probation.
33:12
So I had community service of 200 hours to do, which I was
33:15
going to do at the DUI school and 100 of them was going to
33:19
split it, 100 at DUI school and 100 at the church.
33:22
I ended up starting at the church and I did all 200 hours
33:25
at the church that I left to go to Nashville to be a big star.
33:28
I came back and I did community service.
33:32
Yeah. So God rebuilt my foundation and
33:41
I, you know, those of you who have to push papers, man, I feel
33:46
ya. I was the administrative's
33:48
assistant assistant. So everything basically that sat
33:51
in cubbies of all the other pastors secretaries that they
33:55
couldn't get an answer to ended up on my desk.
33:58
Yeah, it was your community service.
34:00
Yeah, it was my community service.
34:02
But all right, so talk to me about how your your music came
34:04
back. So thank you for bringing me
34:06
back. That's all right.
34:07
I'm, I'm well, I thought I'm shiny.
34:08
I, I got shiny stuff. Well.
34:10
I was thinking, well, maybe she sang for 200 hours.
34:12
As chevers, well, I've sang for a lot longer than right, but but
34:16
there was a thank you for asking and bringing me back home.
34:21
Just have to kind of last on me. Back in Lowell, Lundstrom was a
34:25
name, a family name. He and his family and special
34:30
guests made-up their team. So they had an Alto and a
34:34
soprano and his wife and he traveled and their son played
34:38
lead guitar and their other son did computer work and we were on
34:44
a big bus. Well, they were looking for an
34:45
Alto because his wife wanted to be with her daughter, their
34:48
daughter, as she had her first baby.
34:50
And so the pastor's wife said, did you see that little girl
34:53
down front? She's in Alto.
34:54
So went just to Vacaville, for those of you who know where,
34:57
Sacramento and Vacaville towards San Francisco, just about 45
35:01
minutes. And I auditioned that night and
35:04
I was on the road with them for six months and I only had six
35:07
months clean and sober. So I went on the road, I did
35:10
tour and I shared my story and that's how it started.
35:14
And I did my first CD with them. And then I did one with word
35:17
with John and Dino Elefante that were with Kansas and and then I
35:21
did one with another Cheyenne Records, which had a connection
35:25
with Bill Gaither. And then I sang a song on the
35:27
Gaither Homecoming and I sang on over 25 of those.
35:33
And I've just not had a day job, Christine, in 36 years, I've.
35:38
This has been it, Telling people my story and keeping my promise.
35:43
Have I been perfect? No.
35:44
Had there been rough times? Life is hard yesterday.
35:48
And then I lost my dad. I lost my mom.
35:50
I lost my brother to heroin. I mean, he hadn't hit a needle
35:52
in 35 years or so, but it slowly crept back into his life.
35:57
And I, I helped him die, you know, it just was horrible.
36:00
Had to take him every Friday to get his liver drained.
36:02
He'd look like he's about 7 1/2 months pregnant and 16 yellowish
36:06
green liters of fluid that they would take off his stomach.
36:10
And but I led him to the Lord before he died.
36:13
And he was just a waste. You know, just when he said I
36:16
wasted my life, I just cut deeper than a knife, you know,
36:20
there's a sis. You're living my dream, you know
36:23
so. He said, Sis, you're living my
36:24
dream. The singing part 'cause you were
36:26
singing for the Lord now. Well, not maybe living the dream
36:29
of making a living at doing music, right, Right.
36:34
Making a money because he had. You can look up the psychics and
36:39
you can hear their music. That was his man.
36:41
Yeah. The psychics, Yes.
36:43
Yeah, it was. It's a wildlife.
36:45
My dad had a drag boat. We were at the races every
36:48
Saturday. And his Chrysler boat is on a
36:53
hundred 110 mile per hour on the river.
36:56
It was called the Psychic. He put that on it, too.
36:59
So yeah, it was a interesting background.
37:04
All right, I all right, so hold on.
37:06
I want to cause. Can I ask you when you know,
37:10
'cause you cultivated this life for a a while now, a while and
37:14
then now you've been clean for 36 years.
37:16
So what do you do when cravings or intrusive thoughts or shame
37:22
resurface? What's the first thing you do?
37:26
I try to acknowledge it, I try to figure out what it is and
37:33
there are times I let see those Those aren't thoughts from the
37:39
Lord, right? So I already know OK, that was
37:44
messing with me. But there are times I take the
37:46
bait and I might get depressed a little bit or a little self
37:50
doubting, but I usually can pull myself up from the bootstraps.
37:55
I mean, knowing what I love to do is put on worship music if if
38:00
things, if I'm uneasy, if I'm scattered, which happens quite a
38:05
bit, I if I could put on instrumental.
38:11
It has to be instrumental because I know all the words to
38:14
all the songs and that's not rest.
38:16
OK. It has to just be low.
38:20
But not instrumental like you wouldn't.
38:22
Because if I listen if if, if a instrumental version of Amazing
38:26
Grace starts playing, I. Just well, I do that too, right?
38:28
But you. Mean just like classical or just
38:31
instrumental music that you they're just not like
38:33
necessarily attract to like words.
38:35
And so there's no door helps you.
38:37
OK, no words. OK, that helps me.
38:40
I guess. I usually and that I usually end
38:42
up singing along, you know, being the singer in the song.
38:45
Sure, OK, But I find that worship music just completely
38:50
changes the atmosphere and devil's not going to be like
38:54
messing with me. And we're here, you know, I
38:58
forgot my husband and I remarried Love.
39:00
And gosh, we've got a great marriage, absolutely adore each
39:03
other, and we couldn't be more opposite.
39:06
It's wonderful. We're best friends.
39:07
We were best friends first. I highly recommend that you know
39:10
best friends first because then there's no secrets.
39:13
It's great advice. How long you been married?
39:17
You said 8 1/2 years less. Unfortunately, we had spouses
39:22
that didn't honor the marriage bed.
39:25
That's the easiest way. That's it.
39:27
You had a previous marriage, Yeah.
39:28
Yeah, but what was your question?
39:31
Well, I was asking what do you do when you have cravings or
39:33
intrusive thoughts? And you said worship.
39:34
You know what? You.
39:34
Think and and worship music is good now, but if you're really
39:37
at the beginning of your journey of these cravings and you're
39:40
trying to quit, you know, think it through.
39:44
What did the last drink or the last drug or the last sexual
39:49
relationship or the last binge do for you?
39:54
Did you feel guilt and shame and ugly afterwards and dirty?
39:59
Because that's the that's the enemy's plan, right?
40:02
So if you think it through and say I don't want that result
40:07
because that's what happens every time, you know, we get
40:10
tricked because he's a good trigger.
40:13
He wants to steal everything that he can from us, our joy,
40:18
our purpose, our our our life. He destroy it still kill us.
40:26
I mean and and destroy. So yes, what can you tell me?
40:32
What role has honest community played in your recovery and how
40:35
can someone begin to build that if they feel isolated?
40:40
Honest community. Well, I'm a storyteller, but I'm
40:46
not a liar, you know? And it's like, I don't really
40:53
know how to not be honest anymore, which is kind of a good
40:56
thing. We can't hide behind something.
41:00
It eventually is going to come out.
41:03
I think I would surround my don't surround yourself with
41:06
yes, people. Surround yourself with people
41:08
who are going to call you out on your stuff when you're not, when
41:12
you're not doing what they know your purposes.
41:16
You know, your people that you trust around you.
41:18
You don't want people that are always oh, yeah, go, go, go.
41:22
Yeah, you know, you need someone to challenge you.
41:25
Like a yes person. You're saying you don't want
41:27
that. You want somebody who will stay,
41:30
has your best interests in mind, right?
41:31
Yeah, yeah. You're kind of you seem a little
41:33
snappy today, or edgy. Or hangry.
41:37
Hangry. Yeah, like as an.
41:40
Angry. I've been angry before and not
41:45
the best of me came out, even in my Christian Yeah.
41:49
What would you say to someone who feels that God can never use
41:52
their story because of their own mental health challenges or
41:55
their addiction history? Just look at.
41:57
Us. I know, right?
41:58
I know. What can I tell you?
42:00
I mean, I told you how bad I was, and you don't even know the
42:05
half of it. You got to get the book
42:06
regardless. It's no turning back regardless.
42:09
That is the way the name of it is.
42:10
No, No turning back regardless, OK.
42:13
And because everybody likes to read other people's junk and,
42:18
you know, dirt, you know, you do.
42:21
So go ahead and just get it. And it's a really fast read if
42:25
you're not a reader. But you know, if he could use
42:27
someone like me, he can use he can use you.
42:30
You just have to, like I said, you just got to bow.
42:34
The world has nothing to offer you.
42:36
Any temptation that you have that is not of a good thought is
42:40
not from the Lord. You can pretty much say if, if
42:43
if you're getting tempted to go sleep with someone that's not
42:46
your wife or your husband, that's probably not from the
42:49
Lord, Don't do it. Take it, you know, stop or if
42:54
you're going to go get drunk or you're going to go whatever it
42:57
is, that'll be awesome. God is a God that doesn't lie.
43:01
God is a God of justice. God is a God of purity.
43:05
So he's going to tell you to do the good things sometimes that
43:08
you don't listen to, like maybe go talk to this one person and
43:12
you keep filling that tap on your head.
43:13
He's going, you really, I need you to go see this person I want
43:17
and then you don't do it. And maybe they pass like, you
43:22
know, so if it's a good thing, don't argue with the Lord and
43:27
say, is this you? Is this me?
43:29
Is this you? Is this just?
43:31
If it's good, just go do. It meaning like good for you.
43:34
Good for you, good for them. And sometimes, though, it's a
43:37
hard thing and that's why we don't want to do it, you know,
43:40
that's. True, that's true.
43:42
But but then I would rather be on that side of the hard side of
43:46
doing it than not doing it and disobey and then not have an
43:50
opportunity because the opportunities taken, sure,
43:55
that's not that's not a place I want to be.
43:57
Yeah. So yeah, sometimes doing the
43:59
right thing is doing a hard thing, but it's always worth it.
44:04
I I agree with that. It's it's not easy.
44:07
Yeah. I mean, what what is the secret
44:09
to 36 years of sobriety? Don't pick.
44:11
Up. Just just don't pick up.
44:15
There's times I go out with other people.
44:16
You know, the women, they'll have a glass of wine.
44:18
It's really funny now because we used to fill it up, you know, to
44:21
where there was like this was at the top of the wine glass and
44:23
now that there's that much wine in it, I'm like, why are you
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even drinking that? And what's that going to do?
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It's expensive too. But anyway.
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But but what? You just said what?
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What do I do? I.
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You know, like at 36 years of sobriety, don't.
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Pick up, but so I was going to say I have done this before.
44:41
Let me just and it'll go like this and it must be the the oily
44:45
legs come down a glass and just be ah, say in jewelry out for
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me, you know, because they haven't crossed the line to
44:53
addiction as far as I know. So if you can have that much
44:57
wine and you can leave some in it, I don't think you're an.
44:59
Alcoholic. You know, yeah.
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So it's just choosing to say no and knowing that if I picked up
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and started doing cocaine, I'm going to wake up a really hungry
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bear that has been in hibernation for a long time, and
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it's going to have an appetite that I'm not going to be able to
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quench. Maybe not the first use, maybe
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not two weeks into it, but I've heard enough stories of people
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that have relapsed that have gone way beyond what they
45:32
thought was their bottle almost every single time.
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And so think it through before you do it.
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Think it through. Is it worth it?
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No, I'm going to tell you right now, no, it's not.
45:45
Didn't you say your brother had some spray and then he.
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Well, he didn't do heroin, and then he quit drinking beer, and
45:52
then he quit smoking. But then Hep C came raging
45:58
through his. Body I don't know Hep C.
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From sharing a needle. Oh, wow.
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Oh, hepatitis. Hepatitis.
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Hepatitis. OK, OK.
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So he never had a season like years of sobriety?
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He had yeah, at the end of it, I think, like the damage is done.
46:16
Oh, kind of a thing. So no less God was to heal him
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of that, you know. But yeah, it, it came back to
46:22
bite him in the butt and it was unfortunate.
46:26
It is fortunate that I had a chief hepatologist that was on
46:30
my show that knew me, that was willing to give him the try, the
46:34
treatment that they came up with for, for healing Hep C and I
46:39
just couldn't get him to the hospital there.
46:43
Yeah, it, it was just a sad kind of shut in kind of whatever else
46:48
it was. It was sad, but it was a lovely
46:52
person with a really just a heart of gold, a good soul,
46:57
beautiful voice, childless. I appreciate you sharing your
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story. Thank you.
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And I love that you you want to keep people from going down the
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path you went down. Bottom line is you know.
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You're going to fulfill your purpose.
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Find out what that is. Ask God.
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He'll show you. I hope that your purpose is
47:21
something that you love to do. I sure didn't know that my
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purpose of saying that I'll never quit telling people what
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you've done for me and what I did bad would last six years.
47:31
Yeah, that was a promise you made, right?
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God, if you Get Me Out of. Going to prison?
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Yeah. And I know your story.
47:37
You know what I thought? You know what I thought at
47:39
first? I if I go, I'm going to have to
47:42
find the biggest, baddest girl in there and have her protect
47:46
me. I thought I was like a person in
47:48
prison. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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My. Oh, my gosh.
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I don't get beat up or yell. I don't, you know.
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Yeah. I don't want to be there.
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Oh God. Please.
47:56
This sounds like you mean you made a deal with it, with him,
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and he and I didn't make a deal with the devil.
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He took you up on it. He's like, all right.
48:02
He said OK. See if your hand is an easy no,
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but has it been worth it? Absolutely.
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Yes. Absolutely.
48:08
To see a life change or to have a teenager call you and say they
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heard your song on the radio and they're about to take their life
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and they didn't because they recognize your voice.
48:18
I could quit. I mean, that's that's a.
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Win, you know, but I've been able to witness literally
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thousands and thousands of people surrendering their life
48:27
to Christ, and there's no highlight that.
48:32
Well, that's really good, yeah. There's no high.
48:34
I mean, I just got goose, but. That's way better than
48:36
artificial high, yes. To really see the light come on.
48:41
And I have a young girl, God Girl is a song I have out right
48:45
now and I have these bling shirts.
48:48
There's there's, I have a YouTube channel, all that stuff.
48:51
But I'm going to wrap this up if we can.
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There was a girl who is being baptized.
48:59
She'd waited hours to have her face painted at this Christian
49:04
carnival type thing and it was her turn that they were doing
49:09
the baptisms and she was next to get her face painted and she
49:13
told her grandma know if this is the only shot I want to go
49:16
baptized. I want to go get baptized she
49:19
said, but you're next she said, but I want to go be baptized and
49:22
on their way over she said, why do you want to be baptized so
49:25
bad? She said Because I want to be a
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God girl like Lisa, like you don't want to be like me.
49:34
But that is just sweet. That is sweet.
49:39
That's gorgeous. It's beautiful.
49:42
Yeah, it makes me, makes me want to cry because I know how far
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I've come. Yeah.
49:47
And the other thing, Kristen, when I asked him, was back into
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my heart, my life. I had been raised in the church,
49:51
right? And I had that resentment and,
49:53
you know, whatever. Now I'm doing what my mom does,
49:56
picking up broken people. Everywhere I go.
49:59
I I find all the broken ones. They're the ones I love the
50:02
most. And that's what she was doing.
50:06
But I mean, I had a really good thought there for a minute.
50:09
I am definitely a squirrel. I'm sorry, I just what a legacy
50:13
though. I mean that story.
50:15
You know, I was just doing what she did, you know, laying on
50:17
people. And one thing my mom definitely
50:23
was, wasn't a secret keeper. And I think that that's what we
50:26
could all work on a little more. Don't tell someone else's story.
50:30
It's not. It's not your story to tell.
50:33
I think we could all learn. I shot it.
50:36
Well, I must say thank you for telling your story though.
50:40
Well, I promised him I would, and I didn't go to prison.
50:43
I didn't go to prison. I had a healthy fine, four years
50:46
for probation and 200 hours community service, and I should
50:50
have been in prison. Thank you, Jesus.
50:52
So I've been in touch. All the women's prison singing,
50:55
sharing my story. They have two that were only a
50:58
couple miles apart. Went in there with Chuck Coulson
51:01
when he was live. A personal Yeah.
51:02
Prison fellowship. I've been in Folsom Prison with,
51:08
oh, someone that you would know, Chan.
51:13
Francis Chan. Oh, I like.
51:14
Him yes we went in on Good Friday and my husband and I sang
51:19
like because he lives all Easter type song yes because of I'm a
51:24
Good Friday and you know right and you know what I sing with
51:27
Gaither. They wrote that I do not, and
51:29
that's why all that that just came.
51:31
Yeah, they wrote because he lives and he touched me.
51:34
So many songs in the hymnals. Wonderful people.
51:37
All right, well, I'd like to wrap up a show with the rapid
51:40
fire questions and I know that you you've already chosen which
51:43
ones you want to answer. So here we go.
51:46
You ready? I think what's a Bible verse you
51:48
return to again and again? Psalm 4133I waited patiently for
51:52
the Lord. He turned to me and he heard my
51:53
cry. He lifted me on the slimy pit.
51:55
He set my feet upon a rock, Gave me a firm place, place to stand.
51:58
He put a new song in my mouth. I hymn a praise to our God.
52:01
Many will see in fear and put the trust in the Lord.
52:04
So good yes. What's 1 spiritual practice that
52:08
always re centers you? Well, getting in the word I I
52:17
started reading. The other thing is the what
52:21
centers me is having worship music on centers me.
52:26
I don't do the whole I clean the house like this.
52:29
What do you mean like like all over the?
52:31
This is to be there though I could do 10.
52:33
Miles, like a tornado, is what you're saying?
52:34
Like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's not like put
52:36
all the stuff in a pile because that goes in that room.
52:38
No, take it nap. So worship music is a good thing
52:43
for me. Center me.
52:44
And then I've read through the Bible three times in the last
52:48
five years. Have a great five day reading
52:50
plan. I love, love, love it.
52:52
It's not going from Genesis to Revelation because I poop out
52:55
around Habakkuk and Leviticus and.
52:58
That's where I struggle. I'm like, come on, when you read
53:02
this, it's just called 5 day reading plan and you have
53:05
Saturday, Sunday off, but you get to the whole Bible.
53:08
So I'm going through my mom's Bible, one of her the six that
53:11
are completely broken and I'm reading one of her favorite book
53:15
was Isaiah, which if you knew that there are as many chapters
53:19
in the Old Testament in Isaiah and as many chapters and in the
53:22
New Testament in Isaiah. So it's kind of like the whole
53:26
Bible is wild. Wait, I'm so lost.
53:29
There's this many shot. Same amount of books as the Old
53:32
Testament and the New Testament combined.
53:34
Oh, 66? Yeah, that's how many chapters
53:37
there are in. Isaiah OK, I remember And so
53:39
kind of some of it is old, old school yesterday and then the
53:43
new, the new wife when Jesus came to down the cross for us
53:47
that we could go live with him because of his sacrifice on the
53:50
cross for us. So I'm reading and why reading
53:53
everything that she notated and I'm reading it along with my
53:57
Bible and I'm underlining. I'm learning from her even
54:01
though she passed away seven years ago at 93.
54:06
And I was in bed with her for four days as she was passing.
54:10
And it was the hardest yet the most beautiful thing.
54:18
Yeah, we were very, very close. Very, very close.
54:20
When I finally came back to the Lord, she traveled with me a
54:22
lot. Oh, well, that's great.
54:24
Yeah, on the road. All right, next question.
54:28
What boat, besides the Bible shaped your spiritual journey
54:31
the most? In the beginning it was a a
54:32
book. They call it the.
54:34
Big book, the big book, that Big Blue book, OK, because it gave
54:38
me the how it works, the honesty, the open mindedness and
54:42
the willingness. And then the steps.
54:43
I, I urge any Christian to do the steps, do the 4th step
54:47
because it's a whole list of your resentments, whole list of
54:49
your fears and a whole list of your sexual conduct, your sexual
54:52
conduct and it will clean house for you.
54:56
I mean, what's not great about feeling lighter and not carrying
55:01
secrets that have been buried or resentments.
55:03
Just I highly recommend that for any anybody, right, especially
55:07
any believer. Just do do 123, you know, became
55:12
we came to believe, you know, we came, we came to and we came to
55:16
believe, right. And that our life was crazy and
55:20
and said unmanagement, unmanageable, and then made a
55:23
list of all the all the resentments we earned.
55:25
Yeah. And yeah, clean house.
55:29
It's good. So yeah, big book.
55:31
What's a lesson you learned the hard way?
55:34
I fought the law and the law one.
55:37
There's a song in that song in. That I'm dating myself.
55:41
But yeah, you know, I thought I could outrun out sweet talk out
55:45
AB singing my AB CS through all the stops that I've had.
55:49
And several of them worked, four of them did not.
55:52
And I learned my lesson that you know what?
55:55
And I know there's a lot going on in our world today.
55:57
We don't have to go red or blue, but I just.
56:01
I'm not going to be one that's going to mouth off to a cop.
56:05
I'm just not because they have a job to do.
56:07
Not every cop is good, not every person is good.
56:10
We, no, it doesn't matter red or yellow, black or white, We all
56:15
are sinful in nature. But I respect authority.
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Are you ready for your last one? OK, all right, here we go.
56:24
What's one thing you know God is calling you to right now?
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Go and tell and make disciples. And I thought it was going to be
56:32
the last. It's going to be called the Last
56:33
Call Tour. I thought I was going to be 26.
56:35
But I've been doing a lot of things.
56:36
And that's why I'm down here in Florida.
56:39
I'm joining Moms for America and there's a big luncheon and I
56:44
sing for it. I sang at the 20th anniversary
56:47
with John Rich. And I've been doing a lot of
56:49
things for for our country. I love America.
56:54
This is Tom. This is Tom.
56:56
This is, I love America, it is the land of opportunity and my
57:00
dad served in World World War Two.
57:03
My brother served 22 years in the Army, my nephew served in
57:06
the Army as well, front lines of Afghanistan.
57:10
I have a Lieutenant Colonel friend of mine I've known for 35
57:13
years. I just, I love first responders.
57:17
I have respect. And so I just say just stay home
57:22
and love on your kids, man. Just stay home and love on your
57:24
kids or find something. Put on some worship music,
57:28
instrumental and dance. Dance around like nobody's
57:32
watching. It's a lot better than getting
57:33
out there getting all messed up. Lisa, thank you so much for
57:38
stopping by and for sharing, unpacking your story with me and
57:44
just being an advocate for people to to get to know God and
57:48
to also deal with whatever's going on in your mental health,
57:51
your addictions, you. Have that dopamine and that
57:53
serotonin. I just just don't pick up, don't
57:55
do whatever that thing is that is calling you something when
58:00
you're not living for the Lord and you're you got 1 foot in
58:02
that one foot, one step over the line.
58:07
Something, some ISM is your thing and don't let it call your
58:11
name anymore. Try to turn it around, shut it
58:14
off, hit your knees, ask Jesus to come into your heart and
58:17
He'll change your life forever like it did mine.
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Like it Idris? And mine, yes, I thank you God.
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Bless. Thank you.
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Thank you.