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Growth Mindsets Even in a Season of Limitations | a conversation with Wendy Pope · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: My name is Amy Wicks and I love to talk about the gospel message your heart was created to hear.
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  SPEAKER_00: All things Enneagram and helping you be confident that you are the best mom for your kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm a mountain mama who somehow ended up on a cul-de-sac in the Medwest.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was alone and without family or community.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the Lord, He didn't let me stay there.
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  SPEAKER_00: He helped me turn my broken-hearted moment into a wholehearted decision to get intentional with my faith, my marriage, and my kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: I share broken-hearted perspective with story.
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  SPEAKER_00: But with wholehearted purpose and plans so you can live a life full of confidence and abundance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Think of this podcast as your on-the-go mom pal, mixed with a little bit of Enneagram coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: So get to that pile of laundry or hit the treadmill or load up the kids in the car for that grocery run.
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  SPEAKER_00: And be ready to be encouraged and challenged while you listen.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hey friends, I'm so glad you're here today.
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  SPEAKER_00: This month I'm focusing on conversations about wholehearted growth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And even though it has been a different season than I planned, I do see God still at work in me and in many of my friends as we all navigate the unknown.
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe the Lord wants to deepen our faith in Him in the midst of this crisis.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't like hard things, if I gotta be honest.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I do know for a fact that in these hard seasons, I experience the most growth.
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  SPEAKER_00: The word of encouragement I receive from many people for this year, 2020, the word was growth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And a few months ago I interpreted that as yes, this is awesome, finally, a harvest.
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  SPEAKER_00: But obviously the Lord had something different in mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or many of you know my husband is an arborist by trade, which is a fancy word for a guy who knows all about trees.
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  SPEAKER_00: He studied trees in college so he could work in the field to trim, prune, fill, and even plant trees.
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  SPEAKER_00: He knows if trees are healthy, he knows the Latin name of the species, what region a tree can grow in, and he can often identify the leaves my kids collect when they come home from a nature walk.
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  SPEAKER_00: And while I haven't mastered the art of trees like he has, I have learned a key aspect of healthy plant life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pruning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, pruning can happen in any season.
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  SPEAKER_00: But most often as folks emerge from their winter slumber, uh the demand for tree care rises, and crews are often found removing the dead or dying limbs and shaping trees for their health.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's the deal pruning is not easy work.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not pleasant, and it often requires removing limbs which still have growth.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the expert knows that for the health of the tree, it needs to be cut off.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the branches that get trimmed or cut back are so that new life can grow.
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  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes the removed are just to make room for the other branches.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what this season has looked like for you, but I know for all of us it is much different than we planned.
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  SPEAKER_00: But even in the pruning, God is preparing us for growing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's why I'm excited to share two conversations this week about growth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Both our rich and our friends that have been podcast guests before.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today's conversation is with Wendy Pope.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as I edited and re-listened to this conversation, I couldn't type the notes fast enough.
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe there is so much for you in this conversation, whether you've dealt with fear, frailty, or failure in this season.
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  SPEAKER_00: You will feel championed in the scene and ready to walk out your purpose.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna dive right into this conversation about hidden potential and an online Bible study she has had for over 10 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just cover all your videos.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel like you're so smart.
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  SPEAKER_00: I need to do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I you know, I teach every day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I have our read-through the word class.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I teach every day, and I have to have a studio, and this this right behind me is studio, is what I call studio A, and that over there is studio B.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, look at you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's it's in this one little corner.
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  SPEAKER_02: My husband says, You have maximized this little piece of real estate.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: Over here are bookshelves, and that's where my desk is.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I have to.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is a multi-space use space, and so I have to have it not just for interviews, but for ministry work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you've maximized it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So tell me a little bit more about the uh teaching the word every day because I've followed you, read your work, all that sort of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't understand this aspect because every day, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I have been teaching the chronological Bible, the one-year chronological Bible NLT.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, for 10 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: No way.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's yes, and it's really, it's it's I love to write, don't get me wrong, and I love my publishing family, but my passion is the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I started doing it in 2009, and um this year we went uh nonprofit.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh we have a nonprofit ministry called Word Up Ministries.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.org.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um the class is free now.
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  SPEAKER_02: We uh there was a charge for it before, but the class is free now, and um there's a teaching, 365 teachings.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, like yesterday I recorded three videos, today I'll record three, and that puts me through next Tuesday, and I stay about three to four days ahead of the class.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's incredible, Wendy.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's that's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have to love it because knowing, I mean, I've been doing what I'm doing right now for about four years, and that requires a ton of endurance.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that's not just because you want to gain something out of it, you have to be called, you have to know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and I don't, I mean, I I'm not gonna pretend that it's not hard, and I'm not gonna pretend that there are days that I wish I did something else.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because there are literally thousands of people depending on a lesson every day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so he's faithful to give me something new and has for 10 years, has shown me that the word of God is alive and active.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it is, that it's um brand new every day, every time, and I take him at his word and I sit down and I say, All right, fill in the blank.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he does the teachings are about 10 to 12 minutes, they're not long at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's perfect.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the reading takes about 20 minutes, depending on how fast you read.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it takes a little bit longer.
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  SPEAKER_02: But we have a journal that goes with it, and we um encourage people to write something old, something new, something to do.
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  SPEAKER_02: We kind of put it in these little simple categories that are doable.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and yeah, we've had people with us since 2009.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's incredible.
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  SPEAKER_02: They continue to do it with us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so wordup ministries.org, right?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: I have a feeling a lot of my friends are gonna want to check that out because we we're all looking for ways.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the beginning of this year, we talked about wholehearted rhythms, and one of them that we talk about, this is our third annual ver, you know, version of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first week is about word, getting in the word and making that a better rhythm in our life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, we basically kind of just gave, hey, this is the call to action, but then there's a lot of ways to carry it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the best way to continue to walk it out is to do in community.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this seems like a very easy and accessible way to do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's very easy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we have um an online community on our Facebook.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when you're a member, you get to join on the Facebook community, and then those that aren't on Facebook, they have, I mean, it's it's a there's a place where you can comment and support one another.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you know, we've had we just finished Job, and there was a couple people that were like, I can't go on.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is depressed to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want to stop.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the cheerleaders came out, you know, don't stop.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is hard.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know it's hard for me too.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh, you know, and so you're not doing it by yourself.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have mothers and daughters that are across the country.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is what they do together.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um so they can they read and they they have the video time and then they do FaceTime to talk about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's just beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your group can we've had churches that have done it with us, um, Bible study groups.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's sign up, watch the video, and meet and talk about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you got nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's really all there is.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, obviously, you are a busy woman coming out with mini books and everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's a little bit what you've been doing since we've last talked to you, because it's been what your focus has been for 10 years, 10 plus years.
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  SPEAKER_00: So tell us a little bit about hidden potential.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're focusing this month on wholehearted growth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And part of that growth looks like going, being self-aware and growing in self-awareness.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I felt like your book fit perfectly in this topic.
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  SPEAKER_02: It does fit perfect in that topic for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I'll tell you, here's the thing that self-awareness and that focus, being honest, if we're honest with ourselves, nobody wants to be self-aware.
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  SPEAKER_02: They think they do.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: When it comes to the good things, I'm a kind person, I'm a gentle person, you know, that kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the self-awareness of the not so good things is hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's so hard.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, it what what hidden potential will do for the woman is to help her realize that she can be fearful and faithful at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's that God can allow her to experience fear because Moses, that's the subject matter, the subject person of the book.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Moses was fearful, and you can read that between the lines and you can hear it in his voice, and you can hear it in God's response to him.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you can be fearful, um, faithful even when you're fearful.
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  SPEAKER_02: The woman, this book will help her identify and deal with her failures, which nobody wants to do that.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, we don't.
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  SPEAKER_02: And all the experts are the experts.
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Well, all the experts say, Don't worry about your failures.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, just try to capitalize on them or or correct them.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: Correct them.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's my favorite thing that I saw as I was studying is correct your failures.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, Moses couldn't correct his failure of murder.
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  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it followed him around the rest of his life.
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  SPEAKER_02: But with hidden potential in Moses' life, we can see that we can be included in God's plans even if we're not perfect.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think that brings, I know that that will bring such freedom to women when they're aware of that whole awareness that you said earlier, when they're aware of the fact that, hey, I failed, I messed up, whether it's alcoholism, drug addiction, um, infidelity, uh, a financial failure, um, a professional failure, whatever, a relational failure, whatever it might be, I failed, but that doesn't disqualify me from being part of God's plan.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's so good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then we also I also deal with um the fact that you can have faults.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can have things about you that are strong.
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  SPEAKER_02: They are things that can be used for good, but they can also control you, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Such as for Moses, he had a temper.
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  SPEAKER_02: A temper in times can be good.
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  SPEAKER_02: That righteous anger that can be good.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right, brings about just exactly, but anger in this situation was not good, and it was a fault, and it brought him fault, and it brought him not to be able to enter into the promised land, which is another part of the story.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then all of us deal with some type of frailty, and a frailty identify is something that um you have that has been either it's either part of you physically or it's been put on you without your control.
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  SPEAKER_02: For example, maybe you didn't go to college, and so that's a frailty that you can allow, we can allow the enemy to use as an oppressor to us.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're not good enough, you don't have an education.
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  SPEAKER_02: Also, the world speaks to that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can't get this promotion because you don't have this degree.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we we can allow that frailty to become part of us and to the point where we become frozen in our faith to where we don't feel like we can be part of God's plan.
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  SPEAKER_02: Moses' frailty was uh one of his frailties was his speech problem.
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  SPEAKER_02: People think he stuttered, people think, well, maybe he just didn't want to do public speaking.
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  SPEAKER_02: There's all kinds of theories out there of what it exactly was wrong.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the point is you can see him clearly in Exodus 3 and 4 dealing with this with God.
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  SPEAKER_02: Please don't make me do this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let me pick somebody out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anybody got anybody but me, and then over and about chapter when it gets to the when it gets to the plagues, he finds his voice, and it no longer says, then Aaron says, it says then Moses said, and we never see what I love about this is we never see that God took the frailty away.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's good, and that's what I want the woman to see is God doesn't have to take that frailty away, he doesn't have to fix that failure, he doesn't have to to help you don't have to overcome that fault um and that fear to be valuable to God.
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  SPEAKER_02: The the whole message is that you are a worthwhile possibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's so good because really what you're talking about is perspective, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: We need perspective, so that awareness.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's yeah, what's the key to gaining that perspective on all of those?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because really it's just perceived failure, it's perceived frailty.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, there's some that are are real that we get to partner with the Lord to overcome, but most of that is just our perception.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is, and and I I talk about it in the book early on about how we as women, I don't speak for men because I'm not one, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and men don't typically talk about this, but women tend to judge themselves based on their insides based on somebody else's outsides, based on somebody else's accomplishments.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, like what you just said, it's perceived.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, how do you get beyond that?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: Is your question?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: That is the$100,000 question.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I thought it would be easier than that, darn it.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, I wish it was.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: I wish it was.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: Here is where I am finally after living this message and writing this book, and this is where I want every woman to eventually land, is I no longer want to be her.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: I no longer want to be her.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am in the place, and that's what I want every woman to come to the realization of is look, I don't have to be her, I don't have to have her accomplishments.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: I am very, very pleased with the person that God created me to be.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm happy in my skin.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am content in my skin, not necessarily content in our faith, because I never want anybody to be that.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to be content in my faith.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want to constantly be growing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But being being at peace with the skin that we're in is is what I want every woman to to come to realization of.
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  SPEAKER_02: And where I almost was in tears the other day when I was talking to the Lord, I was like, thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to be her.
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  SPEAKER_02: Finally, I have that peace.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now, how did I get to this place?
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Years and years of um investing in God's word, not only reading it, when I say investing, I mean reading it, but I'm also allowing it to do its work in me.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: So you're not just investing as I'm not just, oh, I'm reading this and it's not changing me.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, it's not going to.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not unless you give it authority in your life.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the disconnect is we feel like we go to church and we take our notes on Sunday, or if we're really good girls, we go to Bible study and we fill all our blanks in.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we sit around and we think, oh, this is gonna change us.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: This is gonna change us.
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  SPEAKER_02: The power, the word is powerful.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it is sharper than a double-edged sword.
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  SPEAKER_02: However, the sword is only gonna do its work if we allow it to.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we have to pick it up, right?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: We have to pick it up and hold it, we have to own it, we have to put it on every day, and we have to pick it up and use it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then I I mean, I think a lot of it, I've I've been a you know, I've been going through quite the inner healing journey and just the self-awareness journey, partly due to it's I think I turned 40, and that's like a natural thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You kind of be like, oh, I got some stuff.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, until you turn 50.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: I know I need 10 years.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, and then that's also I'm an Enneagram coach, and so I'm working with a lot of people, and I'm helping a lot of other people become self-aware, and I'm realizing, oh, I still got more stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the whole thing is to take the word of God, to take the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God, and use it against the lies that we've been believing, and those the absolutely the yucky, you know, words that we let go through our mind and use that weapon to kill the lies and replace it with truth.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: But we have to replace it, we have to take it and put it in there, right?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: And here's here's what just came to my mind when when you were talking, it's more than an awareness.
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  SPEAKER_02: Action has to follow the awareness.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's good.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: And until we allow the word to take action in our lives, we can be aware of it all, but until we allow the word of God to take action and bring healing and bring, I mean, let's just be real.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's uh a sword is painful, yeah.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's painful.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've cut myself plenty of times with knives, I'm not in the shelf, but no, it's painful.
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  SPEAKER_02: However, the pain is worth it because what happens on the other side of that pain is we begin to realize and have the confidence that we are worthwhile potential.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have worthwhile potential and we are worthwhile possibility in the kingdom of God.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there isn't anything that God can accomplish in our life, but we have to get to that place and stop carrying the weight of what identifies fears, faults, failures, and frailties.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: And you can put them under any words you want to, but as an author, I like them.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: I like it too.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: I like them to all flow like anything can feel anything can fit in that in those F's.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but that's the hard part is we live in an instant society.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: We live in in an we can order a we can order and get a car from our phone.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's a crazy thing.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's a crazy day.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't even understand that, but if there's a vending machine, I actually ran, I actually saw one the other day.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: I said, that is for real.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: No kidding.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: You can order your car from a vending machine and they can bring it to your house instantly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Instantly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we are tricked into thinking that all of our fears, faults, failures, and frailties can be fixed instantly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And here's what I want to say to that is looking at the journey that I've been on, and I know I'm not where I want to be.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: Please, I'm not saying at all that I've got it together just because I can say I no longer want to be her.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: I still deal with that.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: But looking at where I've been, I can tell you honestly, and I mean this with all sincerity and honesty that I can muster up.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um I would not have it any other way but hard.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's it's those times that has have given me a memory bank of faith that I know God has been with me through all of that junk.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: And when I face this big mountain, he's gonna be with me.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it is worth it.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: I would not know Christ the way I know him.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: I would not know God is my father and my security and my defender.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: I would not know the spirit as my my comforter, my teacher, my advocate.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: I would not know the trinity like I know the trinity and like I'm I I'm friends with them, but yet they're on a higher plane than me.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: I I can't explain that, but I would not have it any other way.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's true.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I I know many women who will say that as well.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: You've we've got to get to that place where it's more than identity, it's more than becoming aware, it's taking action with what we're made aware of, no matter what pain we have to go through to get to that place.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: And we've what I decided many, many years ago before Wait and See, that's my first book, is that I I I wanted more.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted more than than what I had.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't that what I had wasn't great, I wanted immeasurably more.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to know that God that Paul talks about.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I I wanted to know him.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: And in order to know him and to become like him.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: I had to allow his work, his word to do its work in me.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I would not have it any other way.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: I really would not have it any other way.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: We have to be willing.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the thing is we if we want to know how to do pottery, we go to a pottery class and we put in the time.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: If we want to know how to do painting, anything we want to learn, we're willing to invest in time.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, candy crush.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: We're willing to spend time on game.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: So why would we be so willing to invest time and money and energy in those things and not in our relationship with the Lord?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't make sense.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, it doesn't.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: One of the things I really like in Hidden Potential is that you shared stories about other women, or really other women wrote out their stories, and I'm not sure exactly the process, but what I thought was fascinating is that they really were in the middle of their stories.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me a little bit about that because I think there's something really encouraging in that to be found.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: What is fun about that, and what people won't know unless they listen to a podcast or they see me or hear me talk about it, that they won't know.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: The yours audience will know because I get to share this.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: Is I did not read the women's stories until after they were put in print.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no kidding.
• 23:28
  unknown: Wow.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I didn't write the chapters around the story.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, in fact, I had not even thought of including these women, but um I was he talks to me a lot in the shower and in the cold.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: Me too.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's quiet, right?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: We can hear him.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I have these little sticky notes in my car, and there's they're tight, they're stuck to my dashboard.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I wrote down the names of these women.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, Lord, I you want me to ask these people to be in this?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I want you to start praying for these women.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: And so I approach these women and I asked them, would they be willing to share their stories?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, to go to a woman and say, hey, Sharon, will you share about your failure?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, what what kind of commentary starter is that?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's brave.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, share your fear, Sherry.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I did not write the store the book around their stories.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: I did not read their stories until they were in print.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, interesting.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: So that tells you when you read you've read the book, and when your readers read the book, they can know the work of the spirit here.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: This was very, very spiritual.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: But one of the things you point out most, what you pointed out that I love the most is these women are in the middle of it.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: Just like Moses was in the middle of it, just like we are going to be in the middle of it.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: We are not going to conquer and come and correct and all of the things that the world tells us to do with all of our fears and faults and failures and frailties on this side of eternity.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: We will be complete and perfect on the other side of eternity.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: But what these women will show you as you read their ordinarily, their everyday ordinary women, one had a professional failure, um, one has a personal fear that she deals with, and then we had the frailty and the fault.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: What you'll see as you read their story is they're not only in the middle of it, they're also surrendering and struggling still every day.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: But they they sense the spirit's work and they know the spirit's work, which is exactly what Moses did.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: They they saw that God was with them or they see that God is with them, even though the outcome doesn't match their expectation or what they still hope for and hope for.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly, exactly.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: And they'll find out in whatever situation it is, though this is the way I expected it to be.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: This is not the way, especially my friend Sherry and I'm not gonna share everything.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to share any of their stories because I don't want to be spoiler alert, but her story is not what any woman would want to have.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, it's the biggest fear of any woman, right?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_02: Including this one talking.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_02: And the fact that she has persevered through that still deals with the aftermath of it, but she is completely transformed because of it and sees God in a different way than she ever.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: Now, would she want things the way they were before?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Probably so, yeah, as far as the relationship was concerned and in question here.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, these women are dear friends of mine and um were very willing to vulnerably share the ickyest part of themselves, and that's not easy.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: We always want to share the the happy parts of the victories and our successes, the ways we've overcome.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: So they they're aware of their their fears and their faults and their failures and their frailties, but they're also working through them, which is the the whole key there is they still have them, as you mentioned, and they're working through them.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's so good.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm kind of curious because you and we talked about this ahead of time.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Is that the Enneagram is still something new to you?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I think you checked the box any of what?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Any of what?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know how to spell it.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: And it that's okay, but I thought what was fascinating because I was flipping through it.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, Wendy must have read about the Enneagram.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like she's uh really got an edge on this core fear thing.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I I thought it was I thought it was great, and it goes to show you, you know, you don't have to know.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, these the the insights of the Enneagram, they've been around for a long time.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's not new, right?
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, but I I kind of I think that it would it would it be really beneficial to hear some of those core fears spoken that you outline in your book that might be holding us back from the potential that we have inside to offer the world.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um a big fear for me is um is losing my husband.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's a big fear for me.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: Probably for so many.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: For so many.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um another fear is losing my children.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_02: Death to those immediately around me.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not talking about my parents who are still alive at 89 and 86.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: I don't fear that.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: I of course I would miss that.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, but I would miss it.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: You're kind of aware it's coming, right?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm a exactly it's the unexpected fear of of a loved one of mine be ta being taken unexpectedly.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a huge fear of mine out of out of that.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, another fear, and again, this is outlined in the book, is that professional failure.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, is is fearing taking the risk and failing.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I share candidly about many things that I failed, but uh in the book, but I am one that doesn't want to try things new because of my history of not succeeding.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: So many of us, right?
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're going, oh yeah.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: So those are probably the biggest two is just trying new things, putting myself out there.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then like I said, the unexpected death of of someone that's really, really close to me um are my two biggest fears.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, probably with them.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh betrayal.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think betrayal is um a big thing for a lot of people.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Emotional that's right.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Emotional fear of that.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I think a lot of a lot of investing into kingdom work requires relationship investment.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so when we've been hurt by people before, whether it's for from the church or from a person or from a family unit, we can carry that into moving forward and into doing kingdom work.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, oh yeah, for sure.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think that fear of that kind of fear, honestly, I think it hurts worse when it comes inside the church and it's harder to deal with.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: And unfortunately, we have the it's rampant in the church.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's why people stomp their feet, put their hands on their hips, and walk out the door and never come back.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: And this is why we need people like you speaking the word of God in an accessible way that doesn't necessarily require the church because the word of God can still, if we're willing to pick it up and apply it, it can do its work and hopefully bring healing.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because the the reality is the church is full of humans, it's not Jesus.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus is not at the pulpit.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so it is gonna be, you know, we're going to run across that at some point in our church career or experience where uh humans are gonna let us down.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it's unfortunate, but it healing can be found through Jesus.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: Just as I I really like that, you know, the stories of the women really in their messy middle, I would like to dub it, is that but they see how the Lord is working through it, working it in them, and is going to help them get to the other side, even though they don't know exactly what the other side is gonna look like.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, because the trust is there, the trust is there.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you build that what I I like to call my bank of faith, that trust is there that I don't know what's on the other side, and but yet I know the one who is going to be with me as I go to the other side, as I go to that place, and who's gonna be there waiting for me, his presence is there, and and I that's probably another huge I think maybe I mentioned this the fear is just the change of anything change.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like change.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I really for many.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: You like the way things are, why mess them?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_02: I do, and I eat the same foods, I go to the restaurant, I get the same things.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_02: I always say I'm gonna get something different this time at Mexican restaurant, and every time I get the chicken burrito with the cheese sauce, the queso sauce.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I can work.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, exactly.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna be disappointed.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: And here's the thing is change can bring disappointment.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't want to be disappointed.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: So therefore, just y'all go do all your change, and I'm just gonna say right over here on my side where I'm happy.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, I have to tell you, Wendy, I wish you and I could have an Enneagram coaching conversation because it would be so fun to well, I'll be honest with you.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's not that I'm not interested in Enneagrams, um, but I don't even have the margin in my life to sit down and try to understand it.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm completing my fourth manuscript right now, turn it in in July, and I have a lot of plans for August.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: And one of them, honestly, is is to investigate things that I know nothing about.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: And that is one of them because I feel like I miss out on conversation that is really good, yes, uh, but I don't know anything about it.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't like to be ignorant.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't like to not know what's going on.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, some things it's good not to know.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: But this is one of those things where this is a cultural phenomenon right now, because it's something that's big.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I, Wendy, you really should know something about it, but but like I said, I don't even know how to spell it.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know its origin.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um I just don't know any of that.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't know all my strengths at one point.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: Strength finders was a big thing, and I knew when that's super helpful.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I forgot what those are.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: But Well, I'm your girl.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be around in August.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: I have all the resources you need.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: I will be happy to gift them to you.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't be sorry.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, we're we're sisters under the you know, Blythe Daniel agency banner.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, what's mine is yours, and I I appreciate it.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: We got to help each other out.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll be here for you.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I have lots of plans for August, and that's one of them is to start learning new things that I'm fearful of, but I want to be able to enter into conversations.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I want to be able to I've I'm left out of conversations.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just sitting there slipping on my dog or pepper going, I have no idea what you're talking about.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna love it.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be good.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: August will be here before you know it.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: And congratulations.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, having been in this writing world for I mean, kind of for four years, but really with an agent for two and a half, I'm like, whoa, I had no idea what I was getting into.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I didn't either.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: I had no idea either.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it's so funny because it's almost like not being rude, because God is a gentleman and he's not a rude God.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: But sometimes when you read the Bible, there's a hint of sarcasm.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like when Job, when he has this conversation with Job, who were you?
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: Were you there when I put the boundaries when the boundaries were put down?
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that kind of thing.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: So sometimes I feel like God's going, okay, this is what you wanted.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: Remember, yeah, that kind of thing.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um and so it is um, it's a whole different world all on its own.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I have loved it, but it definitely, and there's no one that can prepare you for it.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: I have so many friends that publish books, but every publishing house is different, every expectation is different, and I've had a great experience with David C.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Cook.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: They really are family with for me and with me.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's it's definitely been a hamster wheel of the first one came out in 2016, and this is 2020, so it's the third one plus two Bible studies.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: So it's amazing.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: Six, yeah.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's almost like motherhood, right?
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone warns you, you have the baby share, you get all this advice, and you're like, oh, but it'll be so different for me.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's uh just as difficult in its own unique way.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: And it's taught me so many things about the Lord, but I've gotten to meet people, and that's important.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: And to, and I know you know this, to get that email in the box that says, Hey, I'm just now reading your book, and you this blew me away on page 64, and you go look page 64.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: What did I say?
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it it's still it it there's nothing like that.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: And um it's to know that God inspired me to write something and I that is gonna change somebody's life, not me, but the words that he inspired, I don't claim them at all myself.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, I I was an instrument, is what I'm trying to say.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: Totally.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's breathtaking, it really is.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um to be able to allow ourselves to be um a conduit for the Holy Spirit's work in someone else's life is overwhelming.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's yeah, it's true.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: It is a gift, it's a real honor.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I would love to finish up with um just this idea.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: And basically, I mean, what you're doing as you're sewing into writing and the ministry and all that sort of stuff, that's that's spiritual growth, right?
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're sewing into other people's lives and you're sewing into yourself.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: So when you hit August and when you have time, or maybe along the way, what are some ways that you encourage people to celebrate or that you celebrate in order to keep the momentum going?
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's we I think we we sum up spiritual disciplines and we we kind of say that word and it feels like a furrowed brow and gritting our teeth and and getting through it.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: But I but I think celebration is such a key and integral part of it.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, what is what does that look like for us practically to celebrate as we go through the disciplines and the spiritual disciplines of growth?
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the first word that came to my mind to be honest, and it's such a church answer, and somebody might be going, yeah, wah wah, but it really it really is, it really is at the core of who I am, and that is just being in a mind of praise and thankfulness all the time.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: But it's true to it's so true.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: Anna.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um and if you don't know Pollyanna, go look up Pollyanna and what busy.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm with you, I'm with you, you're fine.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, I I really do try to in the in the grind of things, try to be in a mind of praise.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: And in my um, this is just personal, and I'll tell you some other things that I do that are more external and more that involve other people, but personally, I keep a I keep in my prayer room a wall of praise.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I have sticky, I'm a fan of sticky notes.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I when my prayers are answered, I put the sticky note up there.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: When there's an advance in my prayer request, I put the sticky note up there.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so I can go in and any time and I can see, I just call it a patchwork of praise because I have all different colors.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that idea.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: And so I can go sit in there with my little light in my little closet and just marvel at his work, and just it takes my breath away.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: And that charges me spiritually to keep going.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: I listen to praise music all the time.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's another thing that I personally do to keep myself motivated and to keep myself moving forward.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so those are two personal things that I make sure I do.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: I am worshiping, um, I keep my earbuds in, and my family comes in, they'll tap me on the shoulder and I about come out of my skin.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: They scare me.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: You and me both.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm I it but I have to praise and I have to worship.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and as far as just celebrating with my family, my family is um I sorry, I'm getting emotional.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_02: But um it is this ministry is not about me, it's about the Lord, and it's not just me, and you know this.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's my whole family, my whole family sacrifices for me to be able to write, for me to be able to do online ministry, um, for me to be able to go away and speak.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody sacrifices, even my dog.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: My dog misses me.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_02: She gets that one to leave.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: She's happy to see me come back.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I I um it I want to celebrate with them.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um to do family my favorite thing are family meal nights, and I have two adult children, and they live with us, and I love that.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: For right now, they're meet trying to meet financial goals, and I'm love having them.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not one of those ones that says, I'm ready for empty mess, because I'm not.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but family meal nights are extremely rare in our home.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: That is huge.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_02: So when there is something that I'm, you know, I'm coming back from a weekend of ministry, or I have finished uh, you know, 10,000 words in the next part of the book, or whatever it might be, whatever milestone it is for me, or whatever milestone it is for someone in my family, we put it on the calendar.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: Family meal is Tuesday night.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: Love that idea.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: No questions.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, make your make your plans to whoever you need to make your plans with.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: But Tuesday night is family, it's gonna be roast and it's gonna be potatoes and carrots.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it's like the home cooking meal that you used to get on Sundays when you went to mom's after church or grandma's.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's that kind of thing.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: I love to make everybody's favorites.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so when I am wanting to celebrate God's goodness, I want a a refresher and refuel in my system.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: I my family recharges me.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um my praise, my worship, and my family will recharge me.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_02: Some people can go hiking, uh, that's not me.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: Some people can go go work out, that's not me.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I work out begrudgingly because I have to.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_02: I'm in my 50s and it's I need to take care of myself so I can keep up with my grandbabies one day.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: Praise, pray, prayfully that I'll get, hopefully that I'll get and have one day.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but that's it's so important because the enemy, and and I let me just speak to that woman that's gonna pick up hidden potential and she's gonna go, I'm gonna do this.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be aware of these things, and I'm going to want, I want to move forward in my faith.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: I no longer want to feel trapped and captive by these things.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: I want to encourage her that just as determined as she is to move forward, there's an enemy that's just as uh determined that she's not.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: And you've got to hang in there because what you're going to receive and the power that you're going to experience and the presence that you're going to experience in reading the message of hidden potential is far greater than that power that's overpowering you and trying to bring you down.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um so don't give up.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: When you pick up this book and start reading it, um, don't give up.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: Invest.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: It is worth the investment.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_02: To your family, to your community, it is worth the investment.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, amen.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: I couldn't have said it better.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: Wendy, thank you for your investment in our lives and just for years.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I I know that there's so much fruit on your life, but also so much reward in heaven.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you're gonna be one of those people that we're gonna have fun like watching what that like reveal is gonna be of all the lives of of the harvest.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that you thank you that you thank you.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: I can't wait to lay it all at his feet.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's it has nothing to do with me, and to to be able to um lay it all at his feet is is just gonna be incredible.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um it really is.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: I love this.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, Wendy.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Are you ready to uncover your hidden potential?
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: You can get Wendy's book, Hidden Potential, Revealing What God Can Do Through You, on Amazon now.
• 44:21
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• 44:29
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• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: We'll be back this week with a bonus episode, and next week begins our motherhood conversations.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait.
• 44:45
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• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Until next week, let's pursue perspective, purpose, and plans for a simply wholehearted life.