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The Cycle Every Couple Falls Into (and How to Break It)

We're talking relationships today, and Jan's bringing the wisdom she's collected from 30 years as a couples therapist (plus 36 years of her own marriage).

Jan shares bits of the toast she's given at both of her sons' rehearsal dinners: her four hard-won truths about what actually makes relationships work. Then we dig into Pia Mellody's three golden rules of interdependence, the ones Jan says could make her rich if she had a quarter for every time she needed to explain them to a couple.

We get into:

Why "falling out of love" might be the wrong way to think about it entirely

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