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Feminist Movie Friday: Sissy · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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Speaker 2: I welcome to Stephan never told you a production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 1: And ye'all it's spooky season.
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Speaker 3: Happy spooky season, yeah, or soup season or both both?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yes, and you know what that means for our feminist
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Speaker 3: movie Friday.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 3: Either we're doing something spooky or something traumatizing or hey,
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Speaker 3: maybe both we love both. Well, yes, I think for
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Speaker 3: this one it's both. And we're also leading more into
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Speaker 3: just wait, what like that's kind of how I fell
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Speaker 3: at the end of the movie.
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Speaker 1: But we'll see.
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Speaker 3: Yeah before we start spoilers ahead, as it was only
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Speaker 3: released in twenty twenty two, but is now available on Shutter,
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Speaker 3: which has become the go to streaming network for all
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Speaker 3: of horror movie needs. Not a sponsor at this current time,
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Speaker 3: just fy, but it just turns out to be that
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Speaker 3: way because it's literally a horror movie channel. So yep,
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Speaker 3: you know if you didn't know. And we're talking about
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Speaker 3: the movie Sissy, an Australian independent horror movie written and
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Speaker 3: directed by Hannah Barlow and Caine Scenes and by the way,
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Speaker 3: Barlow also plays a role of Emma, the long lost
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Speaker 3: best friend within the movie, but before we get into
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Speaker 3: that content. Warning, lots of blood, gore, all the things, death,
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Speaker 3: mental health, violence, and bullying. Surprisingly not much sexual stuff
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Speaker 3: in this, which is rare for a horror movie, independent
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Speaker 3: horror movie. I feel like, so, you know, I appreciate
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Speaker 3: that it's just straight gore.
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Speaker 2: Here you go, yep, here you go. Yeah, I saw
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Speaker 2: this movie. I mean, I've just seen whatever I can
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Speaker 2: find now. But it came up on so many lists. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it was like I kept reading the description or it's like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I feel like this might hit too close to home.
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Speaker 2: And then I eventually was like, now I gotta watch it,
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Speaker 2: and it stuck with me. I will tell you that
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Speaker 2: it's stuck with.
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Speaker 3: Me, right. I think when I brought up this as
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Speaker 3: a possibility, your response was, oh, I have things to
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Speaker 3: say about that.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting, and that's what I got.
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Speaker 2: Yep, which we'll talk about. I do have things to
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Speaker 2: say about it. I'm excited to hear it.
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Speaker 3: We purposely did not talk about it, even though we'd
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Speaker 3: watched it a while ago. So the movie, yeah, actually,
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Speaker 3: as Aie has mentioned, has topped many lists for its creativity,
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Speaker 3: dark humor, and social commentary. As The Guardian writes, quote Sissy,
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Speaker 3: a very sassy and diabolically entertaining new Australian horror movie
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Speaker 3: from the director writing team Hannah Barlow and Canning Scenes
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Speaker 3: puts in its satirical crosshairs two things once believed to
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Speaker 3: be good for humankind, but now widely regarded as evidence
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Speaker 3: of our continued discent. It is self inflicted destruction social
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Speaker 3: media and the wellness industry. So that's the critique that
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Speaker 3: I think was like, Okay, all right, I guess that's
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Speaker 3: a pretty good introduction to what this movie is. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: it is on top ten lists and like top for
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Speaker 3: horror movies, especially newer horror movies, and Rotten Tomatoes have
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Speaker 3: really high rating justin f Why so let's get into
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Speaker 3: the plot.
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Speaker 1: Are you ready?
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Speaker 3: The movie opens with a scene of Cecilia played by
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Speaker 3: Asha Dee, recording a wellness session for her social media page,
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Speaker 3: where she has over two hundred thousand followers. We see
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Speaker 3: a preview of her life as an influencer who thrives
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Speaker 3: off the likes and comments of her followers.
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Speaker 2: And then we soon meet Emma, who Cecilia runs into
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Speaker 2: at a pharmacy kind of joys to avoid but runs
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Speaker 2: into it's been years since they had met, and Cecilia
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Speaker 2: is obviously very uncomfortable, but that doesn't stop her from
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Speaker 2: going to the engagement party that Emma invites her to.
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Speaker 2: And then at this engagement party, we meet Fran, Emma's fiance,
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Speaker 2: and all of Emma's friends, and while there, Emma and
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Speaker 2: Cecilia get to sing their old song in a very
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Speaker 2: drunken Emma invite Cecilia to her hen party or baucherrette party.
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Speaker 2: After Cecilia reminisces about her pastimes with Emma via childhood
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Speaker 2: films that they made when she was called sissy, she
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Speaker 2: decides to go right.
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Speaker 3: So here we meet Emma and Frans friends Jamie and Tracy,
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Speaker 3: who i'll get into a van together for their hen weekend.
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Speaker 3: Cecilia grease to drive, being one of the only people
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Speaker 3: who can drive a stick, which is a problem. I
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Speaker 3: can't drive a Can you drive a stick?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I could.
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Speaker 2: I could. At one time, it's been like, oh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't drive at all, so like you do, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but you're afraid to.
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Speaker 2: But at one time I was. I was pretty good
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Speaker 2: at it. But it's probably been a decade since I've
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Speaker 2: done it, so I don't know if it would just
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Speaker 2: like come back or not.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it would. I'm sure it would. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I can't stick. Yeah, yeah, that's the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: I just did a hand motion. But yeah, you get it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get you. I get you good. But yeah.
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Speaker 3: So Sicilians are driving and during that drive we find
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Speaker 3: out that there's another person who will be joining the party,
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Speaker 3: the maid of honor, Alex, And we also find out
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Speaker 3: that there's a long, sordid history between Alex and Emma
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Speaker 3: and Cecilia. But of course there has to be an
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Speaker 3: ominous scene of running over an animal a kangaroo in
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Speaker 3: this case, which they had to put.
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Speaker 1: Down, so it was really gory scene that I was like, eh.
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Speaker 3: When they all arrived at their very fancy home in
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Speaker 3: the woods, we meet Alex, who was very unhappy to
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Speaker 3: see Cecilia. Cecilia is not so happy either, but she's
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Speaker 3: more like, oh no, I'm so sorry type of thing.
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Speaker 3: Alex is angry, but they seem to have moved on.
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Speaker 3: Of course, this is not the case. During dinner, they
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Speaker 3: discussed Cecilia's job as a wellness influencer, which quickly becomes
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Speaker 3: awkward with everyone criticized seeing Cecilia and Alex even braiding
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Speaker 3: her for being fake bt dub France is actually a psychologist,
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Speaker 3: and I talk about the fact that she gained her
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Speaker 3: doctorate and so that comes out.
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Speaker 1: It's like awkward.
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Speaker 2: It is very awkward, I'm telling you. Dinner sees that
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Speaker 2: the new like horror kind.
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Speaker 1: Of is, and especially the point of view.
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Speaker 3: Someone was talking about the way they did the cinematography
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Speaker 3: very reminiscent of like old school seventies films where it's
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Speaker 3: very appointed and awkward.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. M Well, that night, Cecilia has a nightmare about
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Speaker 2: Alex confronting her about the past and about the scar
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Speaker 2: on her face. Cecilia soon wakes up to find that
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Speaker 2: everyone has gone to the Creek Slash River, where she's
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Speaker 2: told to join. When she arrives, she hears them talking
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Speaker 2: about her past, about how Cecilia had attacked Alex, and
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Speaker 2: everyone claims that Cecilia is canceled. Soon we find out
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Speaker 2: the story. In their childhood, Alex and Emma had become
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Speaker 2: close and Alex bullied Cecilia, calling her a sissy and
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Speaker 2: told Cecilia that she was not Emma's best friend, but
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Speaker 2: that Alex was her best friend and that Emma even
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Speaker 2: purposely left her out of her birthday party, and then
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Speaker 2: we see that Emma is given the Heart Best Friend
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Speaker 2: necklace by Alex and after much taunting by Alex, young
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Speaker 2: Cecilia stabs her in the face with a trowel, which
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Speaker 2: ends the friendship with Emma. After everyone leaves the River
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Speaker 2: Creek area except Alex, Alex taunts Cecilia, who she knew
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Speaker 2: was listening and they have this huge confrontation after it
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Speaker 2: discovered that Alex stole Cecilia's phone and tried to expose
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Speaker 2: Cecilia basically posting on her wellness social media to all
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Speaker 2: of her followers. Cecilia bashes Alex on the head the
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Speaker 2: stone crystal thing, which begins here we get to the
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Speaker 2: horror of it all.
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Speaker 3: I mean we see flashes of things, but like this
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Speaker 3: is the beginning of course. From there, we're just gonna
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Speaker 3: go down the road, down the chain of the list
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Speaker 3: of deaths. We see Jamie, who accidentally stumbles onto Alex's body.
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Speaker 5: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Then he runs away from Cecilia, but because he has
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Speaker 3: to go to the edge of the cliff, you know
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Speaker 3: that's obviously where you're gonna end up. Cecilia talks to him.
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Speaker 3: He starts yelling. She pushes him off the cliff, pour
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Speaker 3: out poor Jamie.
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Speaker 1: There he goes.
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Speaker 3: Then she returns to the house where Tracy finds Cecilia
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Speaker 3: in the house. At that point, Tracy's getting scared. Tracy
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Speaker 3: falls into the bathtub gets her hair stuck in the drain,
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Speaker 3: which is like, well that's not even a thing, but okay,
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Speaker 3: and uh is both scalped and drowned.
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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that was unnecessary. Okay.
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Speaker 3: Later we find out that Alex isn't dead, but she
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Speaker 3: does have brain damage. So while Alex calls the police
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Speaker 3: after finding a phone, uh, she isn't able to speak,
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Speaker 3: but is able to get a hold of someone and
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Speaker 3: scream into the phone. And that's where we kind in
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Speaker 3: that with the we have a comedic scene with the
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Speaker 3: police with the Dufest police, I guess, uh, who's trying
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Speaker 3: to find out where she is or who she is.
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Speaker 3: We'll move on to poor Fran who gets lost after
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Speaker 3: falling asleep in the woods and where we see Cecilia is.
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Speaker 3: At this point, she's like, I want to leave, shake
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Speaker 3: taking the car, but finds Fran.
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Speaker 1: Picks her up and goes on about how she's.
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Speaker 3: Going to lose Emma, which she's already lost to Alex,
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Speaker 3: but now she's gonna lose Emma to Fran and to
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Speaker 3: the United States because they're gonna move together to the US.
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Speaker 1: She deliberately crashes.
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Speaker 3: The car after Fran can't buckle her seatbelt because it's stuck,
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Speaker 3: throwing Frien out the window and then running her over,
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Speaker 3: much like the kangaroo scene.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because Fran was the one that was like, you
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Speaker 2: need to run over the kangaroo's head?
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Speaker 1: Is here me?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, which, interestingly, the movie that just came out,
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Speaker 2: Talk to Me, has a very similar thinge.
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Speaker 3: Oh really those there's a few scenes like this where
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Speaker 3: they just grotesquely run over aheads.
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Speaker 2: But there was a kangaroo and talk to Me. It
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Speaker 2: must I don't know, they.
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Speaker 3: Just really don't like kangaroos. I guess deers are the
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Speaker 3: US and then the King of Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well. Cecilia returns to the house, where she beats
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Speaker 2: herself up and passes out, and is later awakened by Emma,
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Speaker 2: who made it back to the house after almost drowning
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Speaker 2: and being swept down the river. Soon she discovers Tracy's
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Speaker 2: body hidden under the bed and figures out what happened,
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Speaker 2: including the fact that Cecilia has probably killed Fran. Unfortunately
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Speaker 2: for Emma, she gets knocked out and wakes up to
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Speaker 2: being tied to a chair where Cecilia is playing the
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Speaker 2: childhood videos, dying Emma's hair pink like good videos doing
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Speaker 2: her nails. But soon Emma gets free and starts beating
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Speaker 2: up Cecilia after she's called the cops about people dying,
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Speaker 2: but not about who has done it, of course. Then
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Speaker 2: Alex walks in, who's still confused from the head injury,
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Speaker 2: and mistakes Emma for Cecilia and beats Emma the death.
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Speaker 2: After realizing her mistake, she turns to Cecilia but is
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Speaker 2: shot by cops who thinks that she is the culprit.
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Speaker 3: Right, So later we come to the end scene of
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Speaker 3: Cecilia doing her newest.
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Speaker 1: Video, and apparently I missed this part.
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Speaker 3: I guess I kind of like checked out for a
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Speaker 3: second where she did a live during the whole messy ordeal,
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Speaker 3: blaming Alex and pleading for her followers' help, and she
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Speaker 3: thinks her followers this is the worst part of that, Like,
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Speaker 3: what the hell? She thinks her followers and says it's
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Speaker 3: because of them that she was able to make it
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Speaker 3: through the Alex cutis Massacre, which he has named, and
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Speaker 3: promotes her latest books and gives away free therapy ropes,
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Speaker 3: which is a thing that happens throughout the movie.
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Speaker 1: For all her followers.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And that's how it ends. So the beginning and the end.
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Speaker 3: It begins and ends the same way with the same
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Speaker 3: backdrop and very like wellness meditative.
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Speaker 1: State. So end movie. Mmm.
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Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, no, I know we're going
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Speaker 6: to talk about it, but like that the kind of
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Speaker 6: near of social media and people post and especially like
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Speaker 6: in wellness social media.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So.
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Speaker 3: I wanna go ahead and go into the themes of it.
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Speaker 3: Of course, the first and foremost is friendships. And I
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Speaker 3: really liked the best friend conundrum. This is what I
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Speaker 3: call it because I think every girl has gone through
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Speaker 3: this where they've had to compete with someone or there's
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Speaker 3: been a battle to who is the best friend in
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Speaker 3: the group.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and I had two. I had two kind of
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Speaker 2: big ones in my life. And one it actually evolved
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Speaker 2: into a shouting match between two other people. I was
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Speaker 2: sort of the like new best friend, I guess, and
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Speaker 2: the other person walked away and like issued an ultimatum,
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Speaker 2: and I was like, we're nine years old. This is
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Speaker 2: very intense. And then another one, this girl, it was
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Speaker 2: like third or fourth grade. We were pitted against each
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Speaker 2: other academically, which is the thing schools do and purposefully
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Speaker 2: in the US, and I got the higher grade. And
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Speaker 2: eventually she came up to me and said, I am
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Speaker 2: no longer your friend. This is over. I don't like
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Speaker 2: you anymore. And she was more popular than me, so
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Speaker 2: then I got kind of the like fallout from all
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Speaker 2: the other popular girls.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Luckily for me, I was kind of oblivious. I was like, okay, okay,
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Speaker 2: because we're done.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I had a feel like that, except I had
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Speaker 3: the best friend of that to me and try to compete,
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Speaker 3: make us compete to be her friends type of thing.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, this is weird. No, I'm good.
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Speaker 2: I'm good.
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Speaker 3: After some of the anxiety of like, oh no, I
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Speaker 3: said the wrong thing, I was like, I'm over those,
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Speaker 3: so this is this is silly.
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Speaker 1: I'm good.
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Speaker 3: I think I had an incident as an adult, as
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Speaker 3: an adult, full grown adult, where I don't think best
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Speaker 3: friends was even a thing. I don't know, maybe I'm odd,
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Speaker 3: like I think if best friends as an old school term,
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Speaker 3: so like literally when you're children, but then like you
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Speaker 3: grow up and if that's the title and you're still close,
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Speaker 3: that title remains, so like that's not a saying. But
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Speaker 3: as you get older, the friend groups change and you
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Speaker 3: meet new people. I don't think of that as a
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Speaker 3: thing anymore. Maybe maybe that's just me being like, eh,
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Speaker 3: who's this? Because I want to be close to people
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Speaker 3: in different ways and people need different needs and all
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Speaker 3: these things. And my best friend could be someone that
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Speaker 3: I don't talk to for or like someone that I'm
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Speaker 3: closest to, but maybe someone I don't talk to for
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Speaker 3: you months, but then when we get back together it's perfect,
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Speaker 3: like there's nothing like time hasn't gone.
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Speaker 1: By type of thing.
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Speaker 3: But as an adult you make new friends kind of thing,
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Speaker 3: and some people will click and you hang out more.
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Speaker 3: And this happened with this friend. Actually ready would know her,
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Speaker 3: but like we got closed and we got we had
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Speaker 3: a lot in common, had the best time, all these things,
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Speaker 3: and someone and the third party was like, you know,
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Speaker 3: you stole so and so from so and so. I
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Speaker 3: was like very confused. I was like what in that?
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Speaker 3: She's like, well, I mean y'all hang out and you
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Speaker 3: do this and you don't invite this person. And we
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Speaker 3: were like hmm, and I'm yah, I'm in my thirties
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Speaker 3: at this point. I'm in my thirties and that happened,
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Speaker 3: and I was like, what is happening? And what was all?
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Speaker 1: What was very.
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Speaker 3: Different was the fact that they had a gotten married,
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Speaker 3: they had moved on to a new job, think they
15:33
Speaker 3: were trying to get pregnant at this point, so they
15:35
Speaker 3: were kind of in a different space, and so we
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Speaker 3: would invite them. But it's not that easy to do
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Speaker 3: last minute trips which should happened, or last minute hangs
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Speaker 3: or all these things.
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Speaker 1: And it was just an.
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Speaker 3: Odd like being told that I stole someone at thirty
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Speaker 3: years old. I was like, is she not her? Is
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Speaker 3: she not her own self? Like that she not have
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Speaker 3: autonomy because I'm not telling her to not hang out
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Speaker 3: with this person because I could care less, Like, I
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Speaker 3: don't understand, but that has happened to me. I should
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Speaker 3: that happened to me twice because if they told me
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Speaker 3: something before that other person, they got very upset.
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Speaker 1: And in my head, I'm like, what that's the thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, to see that, I'm like Yeah, that's that is real,
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Speaker 3: and that's actually.
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Speaker 1: A great premose for a horror movie murder.
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Speaker 2: I guess it really is, because I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: we love talking about the positivity of a female friendship
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Speaker 2: on the show. It's one of our favorite things. But
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Speaker 2: it is true that there's toxicity as well. And I
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Speaker 2: think when you're younger, the best friend role is much
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Speaker 2: more is one person. I feel like when I got older,
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Speaker 2: I was kind of like, you're all up here, right,
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Speaker 2: But when you're younger, it's like, oh, I'm this person's
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Speaker 2: best friend, and anyone who comes in you're like, oh no, oh,
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Speaker 2: what if they're moving on? And you have all those
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Speaker 2: things with like adolescents and people start dating and they
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Speaker 2: just feel I was like, oh no, we're not going
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Speaker 2: to be the same as it was. And I had
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Speaker 2: that Yeah, I had that too, where people kind of
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Speaker 2: just being mad that. I guess I made new friends.
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Speaker 3: Right, And yeah, that's one of the other things, like
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Speaker 3: the jealous girl, the hating on each other for no reason.
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Speaker 3: The fact that they jumped in was like, yeah, she's awful,
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Speaker 3: she's canceled, she's daycing.
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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong.
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Speaker 3: Wellness influencers who are not educated and degreed and are
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Speaker 3: in this professional industry. I'm a little weird. So when
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Speaker 3: it comes to them, I'm like, oh, do you know
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Speaker 3: what you're doing or are you causing more damage? So
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Speaker 3: that in itself is like I could probably understand that.
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Speaker 3: I think I would standing with the side of Fran
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Speaker 3: of being interested and cautious but being outright malicious and mean.
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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, y'all are like.
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Speaker 3: Just hating on her for no reason and to the
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Speaker 3: point that they were jealous and then at the same
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Speaker 3: time want her connections at the same be like oh,
18:01
Speaker 3: but because of course I had to throw in Chris
18:03
Speaker 3: Hemsworth in THEAH as a name, so I thought that
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Speaker 3: was interesting. And then they like the jealousy among friends,
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Speaker 3: like I said, like, they're all like, oh, you have
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Speaker 3: these followers or whatever whatnot. But then we also have Alex,
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Speaker 3: who was obviously very rich, that rich trope, and it
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Speaker 3: was able to give things to Emma, so you're like, wait,
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Speaker 3: like give this fancy house as like the hen party,
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Speaker 3: getting making this like over the top dinner and all
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Speaker 3: these things, like you also have that. And then obviously
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Speaker 3: Alex was as jealous of Sissy and was pushing her
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Speaker 3: away and making sure that she knew she was outcast.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And I think that's a good point about
18:42
Speaker 2: it is because there's this big study that happened years
18:47
Speaker 2: and years ago, so grain of salt with it, but
18:49
Speaker 2: it was talking about how in female friendship specifically, there's
18:54
Speaker 2: sort of always a organizing of power. Who has the
19:00
Speaker 2: power in this based on looks or based on money,
19:04
Speaker 2: or based on all of that stuff. And that was
19:06
Speaker 2: definitely on display here of like kind of this constant
19:10
Speaker 2: awareness and fighting for power and putting people down to
19:16
Speaker 2: make yourself feel more powerful. And I think that is
19:23
Speaker 2: It's also as I've gotten older, I feel this less.
19:26
Speaker 2: I feel like in college that was a bigger thing.
19:30
Speaker 2: As I've gotten older that that's gotten less. But I
19:32
Speaker 2: also have been taken aback sometimes when a friend who
19:36
Speaker 2: completely legitimately will be like why didn't you invite me
19:40
Speaker 2: to this? Or why didn't you think of me to this?
19:42
Speaker 2: And seeing it as more of a slight whereas I
19:45
Speaker 2: maybe like you was just like, oh I was busy,
19:47
Speaker 2: or it just sort of happened this way, or it
19:50
Speaker 2: wasn't any like right personal, Oh I don't want her
19:54
Speaker 2: to come, But that over time can It didn't in
19:57
Speaker 2: this situation, but it can build up into we are
20:00
Speaker 2: not friends anymore, right right, And you might not unless
20:04
Speaker 2: you talk about it. You might not know that that's happening, right.
20:09
Speaker 3: Right, very obvious, which leads into the other theme up
20:13
Speaker 3: here of the bullying, which I think caused the entire
20:18
Speaker 3: I came out and told you immediately, I was like,
20:20
Speaker 3: I had no sympathy for any of them. I think
20:23
Speaker 3: the most sympathy I had was for friend who was
20:27
Speaker 3: just there, who was just trying to be with her
20:30
Speaker 3: her fiance, like, oh, and was really kind of caring
20:33
Speaker 3: to everyone, like she never really was negative necessarily to
20:38
Speaker 3: Cecilia as in fact, was like, you know, friendship people
20:41
Speaker 3: are like stars, you come and go when it's time,
20:44
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And I was like, oh, that's very sweet,
20:46
Speaker 3: because I was like, are you being mean to her that.
20:48
Speaker 1: She was being very sweet?
20:50
Speaker 3: In man, she's good friends with Alex, She's good friends
20:52
Speaker 3: of all of them. She wasn't like she was skeptical,
20:55
Speaker 3: but she wasn't mean about the whole her being a
20:58
Speaker 3: wellness person all these things, like even when they were
21:02
Speaker 3: trash talking her for stabbing the girl in the face.
21:04
Speaker 3: She was still nice kind of and that's so it
21:06
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, this is where I'm like, oh, yeah, Cecilia,
21:09
Speaker 3: you bad. This is the one. And that was the
21:11
Speaker 3: one she truly killed, like the rest of them. She
21:13
Speaker 3: let that well that I guess Jamie she did push off,
21:17
Speaker 3: so never mind own that one. But you know what
21:18
Speaker 3: I mean in that level of like, this is an opportunity.
21:22
Speaker 3: She found an opportunity to kill fran So because she
21:25
Speaker 3: was actually jealous and she says that out loud. Yeah,
21:28
Speaker 3: so it's kind of like, huh, that's the only character
21:31
Speaker 3: I kind of had sympathy for. But for the rest
21:33
Speaker 3: of them, I was like, yeah, I don't have sympathy
21:35
Speaker 3: for the main character. I don't have the sympathy for Alex.
21:37
Speaker 3: She's an awful person.
21:39
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
21:40
Speaker 1: So I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't care
21:42
Speaker 1: because you see, there's no good light for Alex. She
21:46
Speaker 1: is the villain.
21:47
Speaker 3: I feel like, even though Cecilia is the villain villain,
21:52
Speaker 3: but like she is a villain in this whole thing
21:54
Speaker 3: as well.
21:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I thought that was interesting because normally with
21:58
Speaker 2: a horror movie like this, when you're getting a set
22:01
Speaker 2: up because early on, you know something went horribly wrong
22:04
Speaker 2: right with this relation. You get these hints and you're like, oh,
22:07
Speaker 2: what is it?
22:07
Speaker 4: What is it?
22:09
Speaker 2: And normally, in a movie like this, it would be, oh,
22:13
Speaker 2: Alex was a bully, Cecilia did this thing that she regrets,
22:18
Speaker 2: but heard Alex in kind of self defense, and you
22:22
Speaker 2: feel for Cecilia. But instead it does this interesting thing
22:25
Speaker 2: where it's like, Okay, Alex was bad, but so.
22:28
Speaker 3: Is Cecilia, right, Like Cecilia, yeah, like you kind of
22:34
Speaker 3: could have felt sorry for her, but then it starts
22:36
Speaker 3: windling to like, oh, she's not real, she's a liar.
22:40
Speaker 1: She's right, yeah in that level, yeah.
22:42
Speaker 2: Like a liar is a good word. She And So
22:46
Speaker 2: it was just interesting because I feel like a lot
22:48
Speaker 2: of times the setup is you have the bully, the
22:51
Speaker 2: transgressor you have the bullied, you root for them. She
22:55
Speaker 2: was bullied, like I'm not going to take that away
22:56
Speaker 2: from her, but she also was terrible. Like whether it
23:02
Speaker 2: was from that or not, because the movie doesn't there's
23:07
Speaker 2: a lot of instances and I know we're going to
23:08
Speaker 2: talk about this in a second, but there's a lot
23:10
Speaker 2: of instances where you're like, Okay, so she's dissociating, she's
23:14
Speaker 2: having this like breakdown mentally, like, but it never explains
23:20
Speaker 2: it other than like the things that you see.
23:23
Speaker 3: Yeah right, which yeah, comes into our other theme, mental health,
23:28
Speaker 3: which is okay, this is that they tried to set
23:31
Speaker 3: it up as if she had this associate of identity,
23:34
Speaker 3: this order, but she really doesn't. She just makes her
23:37
Speaker 3: choices and then leans into these things, including the conversation
23:41
Speaker 3: of just being in denial and which she says, I'm
23:43
Speaker 3: not sissy, I'm not sissy, I'm not sissy, which is
23:46
Speaker 3: a theme, which is why we talked about the fact
23:48
Speaker 3: that she was sissy as a kid and then growing
23:50
Speaker 3: up she's like, I'm Cecilia. It's Cecilia, which completely understandable.
23:54
Speaker 3: There are so many things and especially if you've been
23:57
Speaker 3: bullied with your nickname, so I get that. So they
24:02
Speaker 3: kind of changed that in that perspective, so you think
24:05
Speaker 3: for a minute, she has disassociative identity disorder, and she
24:09
Speaker 3: like blacks out and stabs her in the face, which
24:11
Speaker 3: by the way, is one of the most gruesome I
24:12
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god. And then the dream scene
24:14
Speaker 3: where she talks about the scar on Alex you see
24:17
Speaker 3: her actually put her hand underneath the scar as if
24:21
Speaker 3: like it's still a fresh wound. It was a yeah,
24:26
Speaker 3: but all these things that she also regrets doing.
24:29
Speaker 1: That is kind of kind of pictures that. But I
24:33
Speaker 1: don't think she does.
24:35
Speaker 2: No, I think she regrets and I'm not even sure
24:38
Speaker 2: if that's the right word. She's sad, she's mad. She
24:40
Speaker 2: lost right, right, and that was the catalyst of her
24:45
Speaker 2: really losing Emma. And like we didn't even talk about
24:48
Speaker 2: the necklace. Yeah, she takes the friendship necklace.
24:52
Speaker 1: Which did you have one of those?
24:54
Speaker 3: I did?
24:55
Speaker 1: I did too, I did too, I had one of those.
24:57
Speaker 6: I didn't do.
24:58
Speaker 2: But I think it was meant for romantic. It was
25:00
Speaker 2: like the broken heart one that you put together.
25:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is the broken heart one for the
25:05
Speaker 3: best friends. Okay, so that's yeah, because mine was the
25:09
Speaker 3: broken heart one that was the best friends. And it
25:11
Speaker 3: wasn't real gold or it was plate in gold, so
25:14
Speaker 3: if they grain or something, I'm not gonna lie. I'm
25:19
Speaker 3: not really sure who was from.
25:22
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
25:24
Speaker 6: I don't know.
25:26
Speaker 2: Oh, no friend.
25:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, the necklace was a big key because she took
25:31
Speaker 3: it off because she was jealous. A but you could
25:34
Speaker 3: see the difference in gifts from the childhood, Like obviously
25:38
Speaker 3: Cecilia didn't have a lot of money, so she got
25:40
Speaker 3: her like silly nell polish, which Emma kept the entire time,
25:46
Speaker 3: and like trinkets that she had made, as where Alex
25:49
Speaker 3: comes in with this gold necklace that that she got
25:52
Speaker 3: for her, you know, like it was very obvious. And
25:55
Speaker 3: then all the girls because there was twins, which why
25:57
Speaker 3: do they have to have twins? I'm like that was
25:59
Speaker 3: weird twins who helped mock Cecilia or Sissy when she
26:04
Speaker 3: was younger. They're all wearing the same dresses, so they
26:07
Speaker 3: kind of like implies and maybe Alex had bought them
26:10
Speaker 3: all dresses to show that they're all like a big
26:12
Speaker 3: group of friends and Cecilia was not a part of this,
26:16
Speaker 3: so that's interesting to me. But yeah, the whole mental
26:19
Speaker 3: health bit, but like pushing her to that edge, you're
26:23
Speaker 3: kind of like, okay, again, we talked about whether it
26:25
Speaker 3: was the idea yeah or it wasn't. And then but
26:29
Speaker 3: we also see like Emma trying to be nice, but
26:32
Speaker 3: Emma saying like you wouldn't want to come anyway, So
26:36
Speaker 3: I don't know what that was about.
26:38
Speaker 1: I feel like that was a missed.
26:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, something, and then the back and forth that
26:48
Speaker 3: Alice just keeps calling her crazy essentially in a psychopath Yeah.
26:53
Speaker 2: And I think this is one of the things that
26:56
Speaker 2: I also really was interested in when I saw it,
26:59
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, because you see her as
27:03
Speaker 2: this it's I mean, like you said, it starts out
27:05
Speaker 2: this very idyllic mental health like wellness thing she's doing
27:10
Speaker 2: for her followers. She has that circle that you make
27:13
Speaker 2: and all of these things, and then as the plot
27:17
Speaker 2: unravels and you see, okay, I mean or like charitably,
27:24
Speaker 2: she is not in a good place, right, I don't.
27:29
Speaker 2: There are a lot of indicators that you know, she's
27:33
Speaker 2: having some kind of like PTSD freezing flashback thing. But
27:39
Speaker 2: it also felt like at some times she was just
27:41
Speaker 2: like thinking, oh no, if this gets out right, I'll
27:44
Speaker 2: lose everything, right, and so she was freezing because of that.
27:48
Speaker 2: But to see like and throughout the movie she does
27:52
Speaker 2: this like she could have just killed someone, she'll like
27:55
Speaker 2: start up the video and do the whole thing and
27:57
Speaker 2: be calm that I just thought that was really telling
27:59
Speaker 2: me about what what the social media landscape, how it's
28:06
Speaker 2: so fake. A lot of times it is so like
28:09
Speaker 2: catered to people that you can't trust it. And that's
28:14
Speaker 2: not to say you can't you know, do these things.
28:17
Speaker 2: And it may be what she was doing was helpful
28:19
Speaker 2: for some people, but behind the scenes, if we had
28:22
Speaker 2: known behind the scenes, we probably wouldn't be watching her.
28:24
Speaker 3: It was about wellness, right, So the one thing that
28:27
Speaker 3: I thought was interesting with that mental health stuff is
28:30
Speaker 3: that wellness grou versus the therapist.
28:31
Speaker 1: Like they purposely put those two together, obviously.
28:35
Speaker 3: And if anyone was the good guy in this again,
28:38
Speaker 3: it would have been fran maybe Emma, But at the
28:41
Speaker 3: end Emma was like, uh, you're kind of cruel, Like
28:45
Speaker 3: I get you didn't you were passive in all of this,
28:47
Speaker 3: but that's still just as bad. But like I also
28:51
Speaker 3: thought it was interesting because as you were talking about
28:53
Speaker 3: all her little sessions, one being the beginning, what she
28:57
Speaker 3: does the hyperventilation thing, which I know is an actual thing.
29:00
Speaker 3: I remember doing this at a yoga session. I almost
29:05
Speaker 3: had a full fledged panic attack because it was not
29:08
Speaker 3: done correctly. Because you do not have a space to
29:12
Speaker 3: teach people what kind of mental place that you have
29:14
Speaker 3: to be in and how to guide that and if
29:16
Speaker 3: you have a class of literally fifty people thirty people,
29:20
Speaker 3: and you're not sure what their state is and you're
29:22
Speaker 3: having them do this not smart. So having a wellness
29:26
Speaker 3: influencer do this online with two hundred thousand people viewing
29:30
Speaker 3: or more, it's really really irresponsible. And I think they
29:34
Speaker 3: did that on purpose because I remember thinking as I
29:36
Speaker 3: was watching this, I'm about to have a panic attack.
29:38
Speaker 3: It looks like she's about to have a panic attack too, purposely,
29:41
Speaker 3: So I'm like, huh, I.
29:44
Speaker 1: Think they did that on purpose.
29:46
Speaker 3: I think the filmmakers made you do something that they
29:48
Speaker 3: knew was not oftentimes done incorrectly and oftentimes done without
29:53
Speaker 3: regard to understanding why it's used and when it's used,
29:59
Speaker 3: which she does that throughout out, which I was like, Okay,
30:01
Speaker 3: that's the perfect opening scene because you're already paymicked if
30:04
Speaker 3: you're paying attention.
30:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just feels wrong. The whole thing just feels off.
30:08
Speaker 2: Immediately you're like, oh no, and like going off of
30:11
Speaker 2: that too, I feel like, you know, in a way,
30:16
Speaker 2: this makes sense. And one of the reasons I was like,
30:18
Speaker 2: I have stuff to say about this is I worry
30:20
Speaker 2: about this with this show is because we try to
30:22
Speaker 2: be very clear we're not experts on anything, but we
30:23
Speaker 2: talk about like our own personal experiences and people relate
30:27
Speaker 2: to that. But one of the things she does is
30:30
Speaker 2: I think she thinks she had this trauma as a
30:34
Speaker 2: child and she's been getting trying to get over it
30:37
Speaker 2: or trying to like she's trying to convince herself she's fine,
30:42
Speaker 2: and she's made this business out of it, like trying
30:44
Speaker 2: to convince herself she's fine and telling people, you know,
30:48
Speaker 2: ride this rope and it works, so basically like turning
30:51
Speaker 2: her trauma into a profit. And then we see that
30:54
Speaker 2: really pay off at the end when she's like, thanks,
30:57
Speaker 2: I survived this thing because of that, you please go
31:00
Speaker 2: buy my book. So I feel like it comes full
31:03
Speaker 2: circle in that way where she is. It starts off
31:08
Speaker 2: with you know, she has this trauma and you see
31:10
Speaker 2: her and everything feels kind of off, but she's trying
31:14
Speaker 2: to like do this wellness thing, and you just realize, like,
31:18
Speaker 2: oh no, she does not have this figured out. She
31:20
Speaker 2: does not know what she's doing, and she's sort of
31:22
Speaker 2: just using it like her trauma and like the wellness
31:26
Speaker 2: part that comes from that to sell stuff and make
31:29
Speaker 2: a business.
31:30
Speaker 3: And I think the purposely leave out. I don't think
31:32
Speaker 3: she has it, like she may have been detained or something.
31:35
Speaker 3: They don't really talk about it, and they don't talk
31:37
Speaker 3: about she doesn't talk about ever going to therapy ever. No,
31:41
Speaker 3: so where does she even learn these things, which is
31:43
Speaker 3: hilarious to me, which she had to kind of admit
31:46
Speaker 3: to Fran who was like, I this is my tenth
31:49
Speaker 3: year in school, trying to get a doctorate, trying.
31:54
Speaker 2: To figure that out.
31:55
Speaker 3: But like stepping into I thought this one scene was
32:01
Speaker 3: hysterical but also really really disturbing. When she's burying Alex,
32:07
Speaker 3: she stops to make a video about how she's digging
32:10
Speaker 3: the dirt and replanting things like in order to give
32:14
Speaker 3: back in the sustainability because she's hiking and ruining the ecosystem.
32:18
Speaker 3: But in actuality, she just thinks that she has killed
32:20
Speaker 3: a person. So she's burying her and in the middle
32:25
Speaker 3: of it, she's sitting next to it, and you see
32:26
Speaker 3: a mound and it's literally the body of someone she
32:31
Speaker 3: accidentally killed that she thinks that she has killed, and
32:34
Speaker 3: she is all covered in dirt and actually blood, but
32:37
Speaker 3: you can't see the blood part of the way she's
32:38
Speaker 3: cut it off, which again shows meticulous planning. So like
32:43
Speaker 3: she does this whole thing as a video and has
32:46
Speaker 3: all these using clicks for.
32:48
Speaker 2: It, right, and it's very like she's reframing it into
32:53
Speaker 2: making it this thing she can sell and this thing
32:55
Speaker 2: she can like turn around and be positive with. But
32:58
Speaker 2: also I feel like, yeah, the fact that she cut
32:59
Speaker 2: off off all this horror around her again goes back
33:04
Speaker 2: to like social media and what we see on social
33:06
Speaker 2: media and how it is so controlled and so like
33:09
Speaker 2: thought out. I mean, the funny version of that is
33:11
Speaker 2: like people don't wear pants anymore.
33:12
Speaker 1: Right, right.
33:14
Speaker 2: But the horrible version of that is there's literally blood
33:16
Speaker 2: in a dead right, right, but neither so I.
33:20
Speaker 1: Mean it kind of began that way as well.
33:22
Speaker 3: So you see her perfect little room with only the
33:25
Speaker 3: pink wall, and then she walks with all these dirty
33:27
Speaker 3: dishes everywhere. She's just eating pizza from a box and
33:30
Speaker 3: sitting and watching from a very like antique TV all
33:34
Speaker 3: the news, all the horrible things going on in the world.
33:37
Speaker 2: That's right, that's true. Yeah, I mean it's that part
33:42
Speaker 2: of it. As people in this industry, I was like,
33:46
Speaker 2: oh no.
33:48
Speaker 3: No, well, I mean the a good example, really sad
33:52
Speaker 3: example right now, is someone is coming under fire and
33:54
Speaker 3: TikTok after reporting some misinformation about what's going on in
33:59
Speaker 3: the world and saying, hey, everybody, you can take a
34:02
Speaker 3: break from social media. You can take a break, and
34:04
Speaker 3: everybody else can be like, what is wrong with you?
34:06
Speaker 3: People are dying and you're telling people to ignore it.
34:08
Speaker 3: Take care of yourself, ignore this. This is how you
34:11
Speaker 3: block these And there's this back and forth of like, you,
34:15
Speaker 3: as an influencer, how do you instead of backtracking and
34:21
Speaker 3: saying I'm sorry for this and these are the things
34:23
Speaker 3: that we need to do from all the backlash, just
34:26
Speaker 3: saying take a break.
34:27
Speaker 1: You can take a break, and.
34:28
Speaker 3: It's such a like divide and divorce from reality and
34:33
Speaker 3: that they have come under pretty harsh scrutiny, as I
34:36
Speaker 3: think they deserve it, because as much as we would
34:39
Speaker 3: love to say, let's take a break, and there's a
34:42
Speaker 3: difference from healthy understanding to trying to ignore it and
34:49
Speaker 3: pretending something isn't existing and who that really affects and
34:55
Speaker 3: the privilege in that, and it's like being so obtuse
35:01
Speaker 3: in a conversation that you do this as a way
35:06
Speaker 3: of gaining.
35:09
Speaker 1: More popularity.
35:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's the thing with influencers is it's
35:15
Speaker 2: such a new media where people can make money. It's
35:19
Speaker 2: not new media, but like people making money on it
35:22
Speaker 2: is pretty new, and we've talked a lot about the
35:24
Speaker 2: issues with it. I got a big juggle when I
35:27
Speaker 2: was going on a work trip and they were like,
35:29
Speaker 2: are you an influencer? You have to fill this out.
35:30
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think so, I have.
35:34
Speaker 3: Initial producer Andrew said that we weren't. I was like,
35:37
Speaker 3: are you talking about no or no, we're not selling anything.
35:39
Speaker 3: We're not on social media. I guess we do sell
35:42
Speaker 3: things when we ad yeah.
35:44
Speaker 2: But it's more a traditional I don't know. I mean,
35:48
Speaker 2: there is a blur obviously. But one of the things
35:52
Speaker 2: with this character I think is also we've talked before
35:57
Speaker 2: about things like spawn con and how you know, people
36:00
Speaker 2: like the Kardashians have gotten find millions of dollars for
36:02
Speaker 2: not being honest when they are selling you something and
36:06
Speaker 2: not being clear about that they're selling you something and
36:09
Speaker 2: it was sponsored. And so I feel like the wellness industry,
36:12
Speaker 2: as we've talked about, is a very strange place for
36:15
Speaker 2: that because it's a very like this will help you,
36:18
Speaker 2: this is good for you and your mental health. But
36:23
Speaker 2: have they do they know that? Do they have any training? Right?
36:27
Speaker 2: Are they just telling you that to sell you something?
36:30
Speaker 5: Right?
36:30
Speaker 3: And which again in this specific movie, they did a
36:33
Speaker 3: twist with an elon masks, which threw me off completely.
36:37
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what, what's happening?
36:39
Speaker 3: What did I just say? Which was quite a funny
36:43
Speaker 3: take on the entire thing. And with that, we've talked
36:46
Speaker 3: about this before about the addiction to likes and follows
36:49
Speaker 3: and comments or going viral and like that addiction to
36:53
Speaker 3: get that constant feedback, which we hear the ding ding
36:56
Speaker 3: ding ding ding ding Dean in the movie, and that's
36:58
Speaker 3: purposeful how she uses that, and she actually uses that
37:02
Speaker 3: during the worst parts of like her horrific killing spree,
37:06
Speaker 3: to keep her going. So she's not lying when she
37:09
Speaker 3: said I thought of you. It's literally those dings that
37:12
Speaker 3: pushed her to be like, I gotta lie about this,
37:14
Speaker 3: I gotta cover this up, I gotta figure this out.
37:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, especially early on before she's like killed anyone,
37:23
Speaker 2: if she has these like intense moments where she's being
37:26
Speaker 2: kind of bullied at this dinner or whatever, she she'll
37:30
Speaker 2: post she'll poke something and you'll hear that dinging and
37:33
Speaker 2: she feels better, like she's relying on it.
37:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, she literally puts the phone to her heart like.
37:38
Speaker 2: Yes, like it's giving her the validation or like, okay,
37:42
Speaker 2: people love me. See these people, yeah, love me, and
37:46
Speaker 2: she can't lose them, Like the fear of losing them
37:49
Speaker 2: is what drives her to be like, Okay, I'll push
37:52
Speaker 2: this guy off the c Yeah.
37:56
Speaker 3: I mean it drove her to kill Alex because she
37:58
Speaker 3: was afraid of beings, so she was like, I'm gonna Kelly.
38:12
Speaker 3: But of course we also have to talk about the
38:14
Speaker 3: movie tropes with the themes in here, Uh, queer people
38:17
Speaker 3: dying immediately like to see that, y'all.
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Speaker 1: Yep, I get that you kind of were.
38:23
Speaker 3: It's kind of the whole like sad but true type
38:26
Speaker 3: of things, like at least it's centers around not sinners,
38:29
Speaker 3: but at least it has good, healthy queer relationships in here.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think I died because I loved Emma
38:40
Speaker 1: and France relationship.
38:41
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, too bad.
38:48
Speaker 3: And I love that it was just normalized that it
38:50
Speaker 3: wasn't anything big, like it was just like it wasn't like,
38:53
Speaker 3: oh we have to celebrate extra It's just.
38:55
Speaker 1: Like hey, they're they're great together here it is.
38:57
Speaker 3: Of course, we had to have uh the mistake and
39:00
Speaker 3: identities death between Emma and so Soliet, which I thought
39:03
Speaker 3: was interesting.
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Speaker 5: I was like, wow, that's new. I guess yeah, yeah,
39:09
Speaker 5: that it was unfortunate scene. A lot of it was so.
39:17
Speaker 4: Right all things.
39:18
Speaker 3: And then we've got the accidental horrific deaths, the bathtub scene.
39:22
Speaker 3: I feel like at least every movie that tries to
39:25
Speaker 3: put themselves on the mark has to have something over
39:27
Speaker 3: the top that's unexpected and different way to die.
39:30
Speaker 2: Yes, the art of the death scene. I feel like
39:33
Speaker 2: I talked about that all movie Crush once, but yes,
39:34
Speaker 2: it's absolutely like you've got to have one where the
39:38
Speaker 2: I always say listeners because we do podcasting. The viewers
39:40
Speaker 2: are like, well, how is this person going to I
39:44
Speaker 2: know they're going to die, but how is it going
39:48
Speaker 2: to be unique to all the other deaths that I've seen?
39:51
Speaker 2: And that was a pretty that was pretty horrific.
39:55
Speaker 3: I mean like I expected her to drown her not
39:59
Speaker 3: that not that are being sucked up.
40:00
Speaker 2: I'll also say that this has been a big trend
40:03
Speaker 2: in horror movies within the past like five years. It's
40:06
Speaker 2: always been around but I feel like a lot of
40:08
Speaker 2: new movies I've seen of the friend who accidentally the
40:12
Speaker 2: friend group, it's usually a group, but in this one
40:15
Speaker 2: it was just Cecilia, but a friend group accidentally kills
40:18
Speaker 2: a friend, tries to hide the death because they know
40:21
Speaker 2: they'd o ruin their future whatever, and then they all
40:24
Speaker 2: kind of accidentally die and turn against each other. This
40:27
Speaker 2: was much more just like Cecilia and things rolling out
40:31
Speaker 2: of control, right, But it is interesting to me that
40:34
Speaker 2: that's such a trend in horror movies, the accidental death
40:38
Speaker 2: and then the covering up of the accidental death.
40:41
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, like I do definitely remember I remember
40:43
Speaker 3: what you did last summer, which has that trope. I
40:47
Speaker 3: feel like a lot of like women turning into witches
40:49
Speaker 3: are accidental deaths sometimes like it's covered up or in
40:52
Speaker 3: between that that's how it's discovered. Like we feel that
40:55
Speaker 3: happens a lot, but yeah, that is that is a
40:58
Speaker 3: true thing. And then of course we the mental health
41:01
Speaker 3: and that's the reason that they became killer, except they
41:03
Speaker 3: turned that on the head instead of being like it's
41:06
Speaker 3: not necessarily because you kind of decide, oh, no, it's
41:09
Speaker 3: not because of mental health. She's just violent, like she's
41:11
Speaker 3: just gonna do whatever she has to do to remain
41:15
Speaker 3: an influencer and the victim and the main character in
41:20
Speaker 3: her story, which I found interesting, which we've talked about
41:24
Speaker 3: it not too long ago, about the fact that there
41:26
Speaker 3: are more and more studies coming out now because social
41:29
Speaker 3: media and TikTok has become bigger and bigger, that there
41:32
Speaker 3: are now links to possible mental health diagnosis because of
41:38
Speaker 3: the addiction to social media or what you're getting through
41:41
Speaker 3: social media. Of course, this could be the same kind
41:43
Speaker 3: of studies that we had what about video games and violence,
41:47
Speaker 3: and it's kind of like, eh, that's more of an
41:48
Speaker 3: excuse and maybe an underlying condition that we need to
41:51
Speaker 3: talk about rather than the cause and effect being the
41:55
Speaker 3: video games. So it could be the same thing about
41:56
Speaker 3: social media but how it's changing people today, So that
42:02
Speaker 3: could be that kind of conversation as well. So do
42:06
Speaker 3: they become killers because of that? Though we have seen
42:08
Speaker 3: that as more and more of a trope of like
42:09
Speaker 3: social media becoming the reason.
42:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. There's a whole genre of usually not
42:16
Speaker 2: very good movies, to be honest, but some of them
42:18
Speaker 2: are good. Like you unfriend somebody on Facebook, and.
42:22
Speaker 3: Then murderers, right, or you get a parasocial relationship that
42:28
Speaker 3: becomes a whole a level and that becomes a plot.
42:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do think there have been what
42:36
Speaker 2: I would call pretty respectable sword I'm landing on. I
42:41
Speaker 2: don't know if that's quite right, but the studies that
42:42
Speaker 2: I'm like that has probably got some truth to it,
42:44
Speaker 2: where especially around women and girls and body image and
42:48
Speaker 2: like finding that kind of you know, going to get
42:53
Speaker 2: cosmetic surgery because of filters on social media. But I
42:57
Speaker 2: could see it like applying here with her image she
43:00
Speaker 2: curated and wanting so badly to protect that image. So
43:06
Speaker 2: it's not quite it's not necessarily mental health, but the
43:09
Speaker 2: social media didn't help what was already going on, right, Yeah.
43:16
Speaker 1: Right, I did.
43:18
Speaker 3: I think the movie in itself was well done.
43:22
Speaker 1: I think it again makes you think.
43:24
Speaker 3: I appreciate that the writer and director had a lot
43:27
Speaker 3: of cinematic imagination and creativity because again, like the lighting
43:32
Speaker 3: in the house would change from day to night. It
43:34
Speaker 3: was pretty fascinating how they did that, the outdoor scenes
43:38
Speaker 3: versus the indoor scenes, Like, it was very very interesting.
43:41
Speaker 3: Again the beginning and end, you know, they had that
43:44
Speaker 3: when they started that movie. This is how I wanted
43:45
Speaker 3: to begin and ended. Yeah, so of course, like and
43:47
Speaker 3: everything else fell in between, but that obviously was a
43:51
Speaker 3: big point to it. I feel like Pink had It's
43:54
Speaker 3: very like that had its own little plot for a reason.
43:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
43:59
Speaker 3: And I feel like Asha d did an amazing Jacapane.
44:02
Speaker 3: She's a really big actress in Australia and it's known
44:05
Speaker 3: and again, and she did a fantastic job of portraying
44:09
Speaker 3: this like unsympathetic but sympathetic character.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she really did, because, like I said, I've spent
44:16
Speaker 2: the first half like wait, I'm supposed to be sympathetic
44:20
Speaker 2: towards you. In the second half I was like, oh
44:25
Speaker 2: things have changed, Oh changed? Yeah, I really really enjoyed it.
44:29
Speaker 5: It.
44:29
Speaker 2: Like I said, it stuck with me, which I think
44:30
Speaker 2: is the sign of a good horror movie. It was funny,
44:33
Speaker 2: but I was I was very disturbed. I left like, oo,
44:37
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to think about this. Yeah, my gosh,
44:45
Speaker 2: she's selling that book.
44:46
Speaker 3: Oh yeah that was quite I'm like, oh wow, the
44:50
Speaker 3: book and the rope.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, uh will you recommend it? If this is
44:56
Speaker 2: your thing you like horror movies? I recommend Yes, It's always.
45:02
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