Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / Late 2007 Documents Show Continued Effort to Shield Epstein From Federal Exposure (Part 1) (10/20/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
- 0:03Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to begin taking
- 0:07Speaker 1: a look at a letter that was sent from Kenneth
- 0:10Speaker 1: Starr to Alex Acosta. And this was during the time
- 0:14Speaker 1: that they were trying to hammer out the plea agreement.
- 0:17Speaker 1: And I think that these kinds of documents are very,
- 0:20Speaker 1: very important because they give us a window into what
- 0:24Speaker 1: these people were thinking at the time. So with that said,
- 0:28Speaker 1: let's just dive right in. Dear Alex, As we discussed
- 0:32Speaker 1: during our telephone conversations on both Friday and Monday, yesterday,
- 0:36Speaker 1: we are submitting two separate letters that address our broad
- 0:39Speaker 1: areas of deep concern on this matter. First, the cluster
- 0:44Speaker 1: of fundamental policy issues surrounding the use and implementation of 2255,
- 0:50Speaker 1: a richly policy-laden but unchartered area of federal law. And second,
- 0:55Speaker 1: our profound concerns as to the background and conduct of
- 0:58Speaker 1: the investigation. Consistent with our conversations, we submit these letters
- 1:02Speaker 1: with the assurance and understanding that our doing so in
- 1:06Speaker 1: no matter constitutes a breach of the non-prosecution agreement or
- 1:10Speaker 1: unwinds the agreement. We're grateful for your courtesy in agreeing
- 1:14Speaker 1: to receive and consider these submissions and the need to
- 1:17Speaker 1: meet to discuss them. As you undertake your study and reflection,
- 1:20Speaker 1: kindly allow me to make the pivotal point. In the
- 1:24Speaker 1: combined 250 years experience of Jeffrey's defense team, We have
- 1:27Speaker 1: together and individually concluded that this case is not only
- 1:31Speaker 1: extraordinary and unprecedented, it's deeply and uniquely troubling. The constellation
- 1:37Speaker 1: of issues, large and small, renders Jeffrey's matter entirely sui generis.
- 1:42Speaker 1: We say this not lightly. Indeed, as you will glean
- 1:46Speaker 1: from our two letters, we are gravely concerned that in
- 1:48Speaker 1: addition to its odd conceptualization and genesis, the matter in
- 1:53Speaker 1: its day-to-day implementation is has been handled in a manner
- 1:56Speaker 1: that raises deeply troubling questions with respect to both federal
- 2:00Speaker 1: policy and individual judgment in a system that is, at
- 2:04Speaker 1: its best, assiduously devoted to the rule of law. The
- 2:08Speaker 1: latest episode involving 2255 notification to the alleged victims put
- 2:13Speaker 1: illustratively in bold relief our concerns that the end of justice,
- 2:17Speaker 1: time and again, are not being served. By the way
- 2:21Speaker 1: of illustration, but it's only one among a cascading list
- 2:24Speaker 1: of grave concerns. We now understand that the U.S. Assistant Attorney,
- 2:29Speaker 1: whose conduct has troubled us from day one, has quite
- 2:32Speaker 1: recently reached out to the attorney for redacted and provided
- 2:35Speaker 1: oral notification of the victim notification letter. This notification, as
- 2:40Speaker 1: we have stated time and time again, is profoundly unfair.
- 2:44Speaker 1: But quite apart from our substantive concerns, which are abiding
- 2:48Speaker 1: and which had prompted our appeal to the Assistant Attorney
- 2:51Speaker 1: General In the first instance, we had thought that the
- 2:54Speaker 1: notification process had been held in abeyance until contemplation of
- 2:58Speaker 1: our ongoing discussion. With respect to that process, that appears
- 3:01Speaker 1: not to be so. This latest and a baleful line
- 3:05Speaker 1: of prosecutorial actions is dripping with irony. We respectfully call
- 3:09Speaker 1: your attention to the transcript of the interview with redacted
- 3:13Speaker 1: and guide you as a duly confirmed executive branch official
- 3:17Speaker 1: charged with making judgments consistent with our constitutional order. to
- 3:21Speaker 1: the telling fact that Redacted did not, in any manner,
- 3:24Speaker 1: view herself as a victim. Quite to the contrary, she
- 3:27Speaker 1: is not alone. We draw attention to this episode, but
- 3:31Speaker 1: a recent indication of the deepening need for your thoughtful
- 3:35Speaker 1: and independent review. And for your agreeing to provide that review,
- 3:39Speaker 1: our defense team is very grateful. Now this next letter
- 3:43Speaker 1: is from Jay Lefkowitz, and it's being sent to Honorable R. Redacted,
- 3:49Speaker 1: United States Attorney, United States Attorney's Office. So whoever that is,
- 3:54Speaker 1: we have no idea. Dear Redacted, I appreciate the opportunity
- 3:58Speaker 1: that you've provided to review some of the issues and
- 4:01Speaker 1: concerns of Mr. Epstein's defense team. Importantly, I appreciate your
- 4:05Speaker 1: agreement that this submission would neither be understood by you
- 4:09Speaker 1: as constituting a breach of the non-prosecution agreement nor result
- 4:13Speaker 1: in any unwinding of that agreement by your office. Implicit
- 4:16Speaker 1: in this agreement is the understanding that I can share
- 4:19Speaker 1: with you our concerns, and request a review on the
- 4:22Speaker 1: basis for these concerns, while at the same time assure
- 4:25Speaker 1: my client that the submission will not in any respect
- 4:28Speaker 1: result in a formal or informal repercussion or attempt by
- 4:32Speaker 1: any member of the prosecution or investigative team to involve
- 4:36Speaker 1: themselves to Mr. Epstein's detriment in any matter related to
- 4:39Speaker 1: the agreement, particularly in the state prosecution. This letter is
- 4:44Speaker 1: intended to support our assertion to you that the manner
- 4:47Speaker 1: in which both The investigation of allegations against Mr. Epstein
- 4:51Speaker 1: and the resolution thereof were highly irregular and warrant a
- 4:54Speaker 1: full review. We appreciate your willingness to consider the evidence.
- 4:58Speaker 1: We respectfully request that you review Judge Stern's letter to
- 5:02Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz faxed to you on December 7, 2007, in
- 5:06Speaker 1: connection with concerns we set forth in this submission. 1.
- 5:11Speaker 1: FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS RELIED UPON TANTED EVIDENCE We have serious concerns
- 5:15Speaker 1: that the summaries of the evidence that have been presented
- 5:18Speaker 1: to you have been materially inaccurate. As you may know,
- 5:23Speaker 1: the principal witnesses in the case were first interviewed by
- 5:26Speaker 1: Detective Redacted of the Palm Beach Police Department and other
- 5:29Speaker 1: state law enforcement officers. These interviews, the witness statements, were
- 5:33Speaker 1: often tape recorded, thus providing a verbatim and detailed record
- 5:37Speaker 1: of the recollections of the witnesses at a point in
- 5:40Speaker 1: time prior to any federal involvement. Unfortunately, the police report
- 5:44Speaker 1: authored by Detective Redacted and certain affidavits executed by him
- 5:48Speaker 1: contained both material misstatements regarding the specifics of what he
- 5:52Speaker 1: was told by his witnesses and also contained omissions of
- 5:56Speaker 1: critical and often exculpatory information that was recorded verbatim during
- 6:00Speaker 1: the taped interview sessions. The federal investigation involved interviews with
- 6:05Speaker 1: many of the same witnesses. We are aware that at
- 6:08Speaker 1: least one federal interview Redacted was recorded We understand that
- 6:11Speaker 1: Detective Redacted provided his police report and certain affidavits to
- 6:16Speaker 1: the federal authorities, but did not provide the actual witness
- 6:18Speaker 1: statements of the taped interviews to your office or to
- 6:21Speaker 1: the FBI. These witness statements constitute the best evidence available.
- 6:26Speaker 1: They are verbatim and earlier in time to the federal interviews,
- 6:30Speaker 1: and they contain statements that are highly exculpatory to Mr. Epstein.
- 6:34Speaker 1: Because understanding the compromised nature of the evidence against Mr.
- 6:37Speaker 1: Epstein is key to a proper view of the case.
- 6:40Speaker 1: We summarize it in detail below. A. The witness statements
- 6:44Speaker 1: establish that Mr. Epstein did not target masseuses under 18. Indeed,
- 6:50Speaker 1: the witness statements demonstrate that the opposite's true. First, the
- 6:54Speaker 1: evidence shows that many of the masseuses were 18 or over,
- 6:57Speaker 1: including redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted, and redacted at
- 7:02Speaker 1: the time they visited Mr. Epstein's home. Also, there's substantial
- 7:06Speaker 1: evidence found in the sworn statements of the women themselves,
- 7:09Speaker 1: which indicate to the extent others were in fact under
- 7:12Speaker 1: the age of 18. Many affirmatively lied about her age.
- 7:17Speaker 1: As Redacted herself told the PBPD, Redacted told me to
- 7:20Speaker 1: say I was 18 because Redacted said, if you're not,
- 7:24Speaker 1: then Epstein won't really let you into his house. So
- 7:27Speaker 1: I said I was 18. Detective Redacted, however, largely ignored
- 7:31Speaker 1: these critical admissions in his police report. and probable cause affidavit. Redacted, question,
- 7:38Speaker 1: at any time did he speak to you, and does
- 7:40Speaker 1: he know how old you are? Did he know how
- 7:42Speaker 1: old you were? Answer, as a matter of fact, redacted
- 7:44Speaker 1: told me to say, I was 18. Because redacted said,
- 7:47Speaker 1: tell him you're 18, because if you're not, then he
- 7:50Speaker 1: won't really let you into his house. So I said
- 7:52Speaker 1: I was 18. As I was giving him a massage,
- 7:55Speaker 1: he's like, how old are you? And I was like 18,
- 7:58Speaker 1: but I kind of said it really fast, because I
- 8:00Speaker 1: didn't want to make it sound like I was lying
- 8:02Speaker 1: or anything. Sworn statement, 315, 05. Redacted, did he ask
- 8:07Speaker 1: you your age? Answer, yeah, I told him I was 18.
- 8:10Speaker 1: Sworn statement, 10505. Redacted, question, did he know your age? Answer,
- 8:15Speaker 1: I don't think. I think he did. Redacted was like, oh, well,
- 8:19Speaker 1: if they ask you how old you are, say you're 18.
- 8:22Speaker 1: But he never asked me how old I was. I
- 8:24Speaker 1: thought you had to be 18 to give massages. Redacted,
- 8:28Speaker 1: we were supposed to say we were 18. Question, who
- 8:30Speaker 1: told you to say that? Answer, redacted. Redacted. Answer, I
- 8:36Speaker 1: told them I was 18. Redacted concerning redacted. Well, with redacted,
- 8:40Speaker 1: I don't know how old she is because she lied
- 8:42Speaker 1: about her age. She lied to me when I first
- 8:44Speaker 1: met her. When I was 18, she told me she
- 8:47Speaker 1: was 18. Well, she left her purse at my house
- 8:50Speaker 1: and she told me to make sure that I didn't
- 8:52Speaker 1: look in her purse. So I went through her purse.
- 8:55Speaker 1: I found her state license that said she was 16.
- 8:58Speaker 1: So she lied to me about her age. Question, how
- 9:01Speaker 1: old were you when you first started going there? Answer, 18.
- 9:04Speaker 1: I'm 19 now, this last March. Sworn statement of 10-12-05. Redacted. Question,
- 9:12Speaker 1: all this occurred when you were 18 though? Answer, uh-huh.
- 9:15Speaker 1: I had been 18 for like eight months. Nine months already.
- 9:18Speaker 1: My birthday is in June, so I had been 18
- 9:20Speaker 1: for a while. Sworn statement to 3-0-5. Redacted. Okay. How
- 9:25Speaker 1: old are you now? Answer, I'm 20. Question, you're 20,
- 9:29Speaker 1: so a couple months ago you would have been 19. Answer, uh-huh. Question, alright.
- 9:33Speaker 1: So July, August, you would have been 19 or 20,
- 9:36Speaker 1: on the verge of 20? Answer, uh-huh. Question, we believe
- 9:40Speaker 1: that other witnesses have similarly told the FBI that Mr.
- 9:43Speaker 1: Epstein attempted to monitor the ages of the masseuses who
- 9:47Speaker 1: came to his home. We further believe that these transcripts
- 9:50Speaker 1: would show the federal interest in prosecuting Mr. Epstein for
- 9:54Speaker 1: state offenses was far less compelling than the inaccurate police
- 9:58Speaker 1: report suggests. B, detective redacted made crucial misstatements in the
- 10:02Speaker 1: public report and probable cause affidavits. We've reviewed the sworn
- 10:07Speaker 1: and recorded witness statements of many of the individuals who
- 10:10Speaker 1: were interviewed, conducted in person or by telephone, as well
- 10:14Speaker 1: as the number of the control calls cited in the
- 10:17Speaker 1: police report. Time after time we found statements in the
- 10:20Speaker 1: police report attributed to statements made in the sworn recordings
- 10:24Speaker 1: that either simply were not said, or in some instances
- 10:28Speaker 1: are flatly contradicted by the witnesses who purportedly made the statement.
- 10:32Speaker 1: In fact, they often stand in stark contrast to representations
- 10:36Speaker 1: made by detective redacted in both the official police report
- 10:40Speaker 1: and affidavit signed by him under oath. We highlight the
- 10:44Speaker 1: most significant ones identified to date. Redacted did not report
- 10:48Speaker 1: that Epstein told her to lie about her age. The
- 10:50Speaker 1: probable cause affidavit indicates that during her sworn statement, redacted
- 10:54Speaker 1: advised that during her frequent visits, Epstein asked for her
- 10:58Speaker 1: real age. Redacted stated she was 16 and that Epstein
- 11:02Speaker 1: advised her not to tell anyone her real age. Arrest
- 11:05Speaker 1: probable cause affidavit at 11. The statement appears nowhere in
- 11:09Speaker 1: the sworn statement. Redacted did not state that Epstein photographed
- 11:13Speaker 1: her having sex. Detective redacted also reports redacted as claiming
- 11:17Speaker 1: that Epstein would photograph Redacted and her naked and having
- 11:20Speaker 1: sex and proudly displays the photographs within the home. Again,
- 11:24Speaker 1: this statement is not in Redacted's sworn statement. To the contrary,
- 11:28Speaker 1: the transcript reflects that Redacted stated, I was just like
- 11:32Speaker 1: it was me standing in front of a big white
- 11:34Speaker 1: marble bathtub in the guest bathroom in his master suite.
- 11:39Speaker 1: And it wasn't like I was, you know, spreading my
- 11:41Speaker 1: legs or anything for the camera. I was like standing up.
- 11:44Speaker 1: I think I was standing up and I just kind
- 11:46Speaker 1: of like It was me, kind of looking over my shoulder,
- 11:48Speaker 1: kind of smiling. And that was it. Sworn statement, 10-11-05
- 11:53Speaker 1: at 35. Redacted said Epstein did not touch her inappropriately.
- 11:58Speaker 1: Detective Redacted recounts that Redacted advised that Epstein grabbed her
- 12:03Speaker 1: buttocks and pulled her close to him. Probable cause affidavit
- 12:06Speaker 1: at 6. Redacted never made this statement. In fact, when
- 12:11Speaker 1: Detective Redacted asked, he did not touch you inappropriately? Redacted responded, no.
- 12:16Speaker 1: Sworn statement of 10405 at 11. Redacted was not 16
- 12:21Speaker 1: when she first went to Epstein's home. Detective redacted states
- 12:25Speaker 1: redacted also states she was 16 years old when she
- 12:28Speaker 1: first went to Epstein's house. Incident report at 52. However,
- 12:33Speaker 1: redacted affirmatively states that she was 17 when she first
- 12:36Speaker 1: went to Epstein's home. Question okay, how old were you
- 12:40Speaker 1: when you first went there? Answer 17, question 17. Answer,
- 12:44Speaker 1: and I was 17 the last time I went there too.
- 12:47Speaker 1: I turned 18 this past June. Sworn statement 11-14-05. Redacted
- 12:52Speaker 1: told Detective Rakari that Epstein did not take out sex toys.
- 12:57Speaker 1: The probable cause affidavit indicates that redacted stated Epstein redacted
- 13:03Speaker 1: used a massager vibrator, which also described as white in
- 13:07Speaker 1: color and a large head. Epstein would rub the vibrator
- 13:10Speaker 1: massager on her vaginal area as he would masturbate. Probable
- 13:14Speaker 1: cause affidavit at 14. Report 11-05 at 49. Epstein would
- 13:20Speaker 1: use a massager vibrator which he described as white in
- 13:23Speaker 1: color with a large head on her. This statement appears
- 13:25Speaker 1: nowhere in the transcript of Redacted's sworn statement. In fact,
- 13:29Speaker 1: when Detective Redacted asked whether Mr. Epstein had ever taken
- 13:33Speaker 1: out any toys, Redacted responded no. Sworn statement of 11-08-05
- 13:39Speaker 1: at 17. Redacted did not recall Mr. Epstein masturbating. Detective
- 13:43Speaker 1: redacted counts that redacted advised she was sure Mr. Epstein
- 13:47Speaker 1: was masturbating based on his hand movements going up and
- 13:50Speaker 1: down on his penis area. Question, okay, did he ever
- 13:55Speaker 1: take off? Did he ever touch himself? Answer, I don't
- 13:57Speaker 1: think so. Question, no. Did he ever masturbate himself in
- 14:01Speaker 1: front of you? Answer, I don't remember him doing that.
- 14:05Speaker 1: He might have, but I really don't remember. Wanalesi stated
- 14:10Speaker 1: that only one girl looked young. Police report at 57.
- 14:15Speaker 1: Alessi stated that towards the end of his employment, the
- 14:17Speaker 1: masseuses were younger and younger. However, he said, no such thing. Question,
- 14:22Speaker 1: did they ever seem young to you? Answer, no sir,
- 14:25Speaker 1: mostly no. We saw one or two young ones in
- 14:27Speaker 1: the last year. Before that, it was all adults. I
- 14:30Speaker 1: remember one girl was young. We never asked how old
- 14:33Speaker 1: she was. It was not in my job, but I
- 14:35Speaker 1: imagine she was 16, 17. Sworn statement of 11-21-05. All right,
- 14:41Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up episode one right here and
- 14:43Speaker 1: in the next episode, pick up where we left off.
- 14:46Speaker 1: All the information that goes with this episode can be
- 14:48Speaker 1: found in the description box.