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Patriots Unfiltered 4/4: Could Patriots Trade Mac Jones?, Ramping Up for the NFL Draft, Biggest Needs Remaining · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. No All, Alex Yeah did a
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  Speaker 1: little more research on the rap game. She's so disgusted
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  Speaker 1: after the rap views from last show. She's never going
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  Speaker 1: to come to her. She tweeted out a list after
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  Speaker 1: the show yesterday. Her favorite rappers is like she's a teen.
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  Speaker 1: This is like my favorite draft crushes. It's like, I
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  Speaker 1: could be here all day, right, you know, Sarah David's
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  Speaker 1: funny coming from me. I didn't like the way he
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  Speaker 1: snarkily sort of chastised us all. I would definitely give
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  Speaker 1: Bill some credit for developing Tom Brady. Well. That has
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  Speaker 1: turned into on Twitter someone saying that I said that
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  Speaker 1: Brady Belichick made break, which is not what I said
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  Speaker 1: and not what I meant. If it's exactly what you said,
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  Speaker 1: this is one board, one bad, one board, and Bill
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  Speaker 1: ultimately sets. Bill ultimately decides, and he might have guys
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  Speaker 1: that are way differently ranked than than mac gerel. Would
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  Speaker 1: I have more faith than Bill than obviously ere great indisputable.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't care what anyone cares. It is
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  Speaker 1: just like a whole world evolution chan, But I'm defending Bill.
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  Speaker 1: to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at Gilette Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I don't know if the show is anything
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  Speaker 1: like the pre show chat every we're wired up here,
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  Speaker 1: are ready to go? Let's go? Yeah, got food already?
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  Speaker 1: You got food. I didn't get fine QR codes as complications. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, there's a lot to talk about. Um. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: even though we're in between sort of combine being over,
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  Speaker 1: the draft hasn't started. Obviously, we're in that middle period.
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  Speaker 1: Things will slow down with free agency. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the talk with the about the Patriots and
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  Speaker 1: is out there, and you wonder, like, you know, how
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  Speaker 1: other teams are just kind of reveling in this. It's
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  Speaker 1: like finally, you know, the you know, we're getting they're
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  Speaker 1: getting their come up, and you know, you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff about them coming out and you know,
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  Speaker 1: uh so I would imagine that teams that have been
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  Speaker 1: downtrodden by us over the last twenty years and now
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  Speaker 1: reveling in all of this. Yeah, well, I guess we
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  Speaker 1: should bring up Pro Football Talk reporting this morning that
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  Speaker 1: that Bill Belichick has floated Mac Jones's trade bait to
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  Speaker 1: a few teams. Now, what's the source on this, But
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  Speaker 1: you know, like like like for all the other teams,
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  Speaker 1: this is good to get that out there because it
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  Speaker 1: causes discord within the Patriot when you open the show, like,
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was thinking. I'm like, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you know, there's there's probably I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think any one of us doesn't think that there's
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  Speaker 1: some fire where all this smoke has been ever since,
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  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has refused to even acknowledge him as the
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback here anymore. But I did wonder that it
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  Speaker 1: only takes one guy from another team to call up
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  Speaker 1: and be like, hey, Mike, uh, you know Billy's he's
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  Speaker 1: been trying to trademark this year, know, I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: just helps. I mean, it just helps. You know. You said, um,
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  Speaker 1: because I haven't read the post, you said there were
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  Speaker 1: a couple of teams that were sort of speculated as
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  Speaker 1: being potential. Yeah, I meant Washington, Tampa Bay. I read
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  Speaker 1: that part more as informed opinion, Right, Yeah, who needs
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  Speaker 1: a quarter. No, But I'm just saying, like, so, like
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  Speaker 1: we can we can blow the Raiders and not spend
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  Speaker 1: the next hour and forty five minutes talking about this one,
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  Speaker 1: like I think we are up, or we could just say, well,
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  Speaker 1: the other teams are all like what does Washington? What
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  Speaker 1: does Washington gain by having that out there? If? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like like, I don't I'm not telling you it's true
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  Speaker 1: because I have no idea and I do not have
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  Speaker 1: the highest regard for Mike Florio as you know, right,
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  Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw's still alive, by the way, Um so there's
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  Speaker 1: one inside joke evan one Gary Bradshaw. Yeah, yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: had Terry Bradshaw dead not only that but twelve years
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  Speaker 1: and Andy Hartt called him on that I gotta we
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  Speaker 1: can leave that we can. Yeah. Um so I'm not
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  Speaker 1: telling you that I think this report is accurate or true.
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  Speaker 1: But just like as we were talking about it right
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  Speaker 1: before the show, Everden I kind of looked at each
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  Speaker 1: other because kind of kind of feels like there might
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  Speaker 1: be something to it. Well, like but you said, like
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  Speaker 1: what would the commanders benefit? Like maybe nothing, but the
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  Speaker 1: commanders are on the phone with Miami one day saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know that I got a call from Patriots about that.
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  Speaker 1: Really so and then Miami gets it out there. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know how to think that
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  Speaker 1: these teams care about the Patriots in that way? Anyway? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I think I think they're worried about competing with the
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  Speaker 1: teams ahead of them behind. I think they love seeing
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  Speaker 1: bad things happen to us, no doubt and no doubt
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  Speaker 1: about that every once against us. Paul I forget that,
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  Speaker 1: but I you know, irrelevant. Earlier this offseason, there was
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  Speaker 1: was talk of Josh and the Raiders being interested in
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  Speaker 1: Mac right, and it was you know, oh they I
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  Speaker 1: mean I remember at that time kind of being like
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders. One makes all the sense in the world
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  Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, but also they didn't do it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because knows the guy like that. That makes sense to me,
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  Speaker 1: he has some knowledge of us. So was Bill floating him?
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  Speaker 1: Was Josh asking for him? Well? I don't know, but
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  Speaker 1: my guess is Bill's floating him. And if Josh really
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  Speaker 1: wanted him, then why couldn't have gotten gone? Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think if he wanted him, he'd
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  Speaker 1: be a Raider. Yeah, I don't know. Either way. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's the big picture though. I think we were
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  Speaker 1: all talking about we're just like none of this is
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  Speaker 1: like I mean, Mac Jones is just like up against
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  Speaker 1: it this year. I mean, it's not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: support right now. You know, we all talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what's going to be a fair test for Mac this
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  Speaker 1: year in terms of his physical ability and the pieces
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  Speaker 1: around him. If if we don't get a good indication
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  Speaker 1: of his mental makeup this year, we never will because
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  Speaker 1: you know, mentally he's being tested right now, Like, how
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  Speaker 1: is he going to respond? Even if none of this
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  Speaker 1: is true? It's out there, you know, and he's seeing
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  Speaker 1: it too, and you know, how does he respond to this?
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  Speaker 1: Forget about you know, the weapons around him at all?
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  Speaker 1: How does he respond to this? And to me, this
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  Speaker 1: is a great test. How does he respond to this?
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  Speaker 1: Does he use this as fuel? Does he use this
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  Speaker 1: as motive? I don't have to keep testing him. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we are doing it. But no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying why do they have to keep And
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  Speaker 1: I look, maybe this report is just yeah, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying completely. I'm not saying the Patriots are doing this,
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  Speaker 1: just the mere fact that it's out there. How does
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  Speaker 1: he respond to this? I just feel like there's this
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  Speaker 1: there's this constant of making it harder on the kid
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  Speaker 1: than it needs to be, when all you're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: do as an organization when you have a young quarterback
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  Speaker 1: is make it as easy for that quarterback as possible,
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  Speaker 1: and every sale, single step of the way, they just
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  Speaker 1: make it as hard for him as they possibly can. No,
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  Speaker 1: but you're right, But I'm just saying like, if he
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  Speaker 1: does come out mentally ready and he's ready to go
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's all good that way, then boy, did
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  Speaker 1: he pass a big test, you know? Or did he
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  Speaker 1: I'm just kind of like, Yeah, why why we're so
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  Speaker 1: interested in Maybe I think he just played choice of
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  Speaker 1: word test is a wrong. He's just proving to people
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  Speaker 1: that he can handle this stuff and forget about the
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  Speaker 1: word test. I just feel like if you look at
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  Speaker 1: the look at the success stories around the league of
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that weren't instantly great. Like I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 1: guys like Patrick Mahomes that just dropped into the league
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  Speaker 1: and we're just instantly stars, but guys that have developed,
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  Speaker 1: oh Josh Allen to like you know, Jalen hurts. It
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  Speaker 1: was all it was always with kid gloves, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: they're always setting these guys up. They're being nice, they're
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  Speaker 1: saying the right things in the media, they're getting them
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  Speaker 1: the right coaching, they're getting them the right supporting cast,
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  Speaker 1: and every step of the way, this team has just
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  Speaker 1: done the opposite for him. Like they just have done
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  Speaker 1: the total opposite. And I don't know if Mac Jones
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  Speaker 1: is going to be good or not, or is good
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  Speaker 1: or not. I still the jury is still out on
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  Speaker 1: all of that. But in terms of how to handle it,
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  Speaker 1: it's been blown to bits after the past calendar. There's
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  Speaker 1: no doubt. There's no doubt. I mean, you know, starting
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  Speaker 1: with you know, just what they decided to do last offseason.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just it was a disservice to
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  Speaker 1: him and everybody else on the offense. Frankly, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not just Mac, but anyone else that had to play
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  Speaker 1: offense for the Patriots. It just wasn't a good setup.
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  Speaker 1: I like, I'm I took the biggest mia copa. I thought,
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  Speaker 1: why not good coaches, head coaches in the league. I
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  Speaker 1: was absolutely wrong. Particularly you know, I think position coaching,
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  Speaker 1: I think you can move over. But coordinator. You've never
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  Speaker 1: done that before, or coach a quarterback, never done that before.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it works. And it didn't. It absolutely
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  Speaker 1: didn't work, and I was wrong. It was a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, the biggest thing that came out that
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  Speaker 1: I thought, not biggest, but one of the most revealing
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  Speaker 1: things was that Pro Football talk about the dysfunction between
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  Speaker 1: Bill and Mac and that we all read that Mac
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  Speaker 1: had reached out to get help last year and Bill
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  Speaker 1: wasn't happy about that. Turns out he was reaching out
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  Speaker 1: to Alabama, according to the report, and that's where he
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  Speaker 1: was looking to get help. And I can just see
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  Speaker 1: the phone call Nick Saban call him Bill, you know
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  Speaker 1: what your quarterbacks calling for? Bill? Just you know another thing,
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  Speaker 1: that another thing. I don't understand what the problem is.
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  Speaker 1: So he called coaches that he's worked with in the
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  Speaker 1: past that he trusts, that he feels are good about.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a that's a problem. But think about Bill,
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  Speaker 1: think about it. I'm done thinking about I know, but
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  Speaker 1: thinking we're just we're every single thing. I'm not saying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I'm not saying in order to defend
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  Speaker 1: anyone here. I'm just saying, think about a head coach
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  Speaker 1: like Bill finds out that his quarterback is calling his
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  Speaker 1: college team for help. Yeah, calling Bill O'Brien, who happens
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  Speaker 1: to have been here before. But Bill, But for Bill
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  Speaker 1: or any head coach, that's a reflection on him and
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  Speaker 1: his assist or his organization that he's set up that
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  Speaker 1: my quarterback has to call his his former college I
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  Speaker 1: get help. That's that's that's that's a blow to an ego.
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  Speaker 1: But when but when Tom Brady had some mechanical issues
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  Speaker 1: in season and he called up Tom House and he said, Tom, like,
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  Speaker 1: I need you to I need you to come for
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  Speaker 1: the week because I think about the difference there. Evan,
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about my but that's but think about it.
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  Speaker 1: But no, really you need to look at the details.
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  Speaker 1: Tom is working on his own mechanics, okay, Mac is
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  Speaker 1: working on the system that he's being taught here. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't I'm having trouble throwing the ball. I'm having trouble
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  Speaker 1: with the offense. They're trying to teach me. They're not
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  Speaker 1: doing it right. Can you help me here? Because they're
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  Speaker 1: not teaching that's different. It's completely different. I understand where
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  Speaker 1: you're coming from. I Just where I'm coming from is
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  Speaker 1: that if you feel if all of this is, if
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  Speaker 1: we take all of this at face value, what he said,
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  Speaker 1: Bill has said publicly this report this morning, at their shot,
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  Speaker 1: get rid of him and move on. Like, if you
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  Speaker 1: really feel this strongly that this is not working out,
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  Speaker 1: then all we're you're doing or is wasting time by
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  Speaker 1: hanging on to the kid. So draft Henn and Hooker,
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  Speaker 1: or trade up and go and get Anthony Richardson, or
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  Speaker 1: bake a move for Lamar Jackson, or whatever the case
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  Speaker 1: may be. But could part of it also be in
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  Speaker 1: Bill's mine? You know what I did screw up? You know,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't deserve to be let go. I did screw up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not screw up, but it was a failed experiment,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and it did didn't put the kid in
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  Speaker 1: the best opportunity to win, which is kind of Bill's mantrap,
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  Speaker 1: putting players in the best opportunity to succeed. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: do that. So, like to give up on the guy
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  Speaker 1: right now is not fair. Well, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you guys are I don't want to do no, no,
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  Speaker 1: but I just wanted to tie it to the earlier
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  Speaker 1: report this morning from Pro Football Talk, which was that
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  Speaker 1: tension lingers between Bill Belichick and Mac Jones and like,
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  Speaker 1: to every anybody's point, do the Bill Belgium move on?
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  Speaker 1: Like get like we got to bury last season, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, and for this to still be now, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know this this can be you know, Oh, he
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  Speaker 1: was kind of pissed at him as he still pissed
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  Speaker 1: what Tommy. I think this is all kind of stem
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  Speaker 1: from what Tommy Kern had reported, you know, over last week.
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  Speaker 1: But at what point are we just going to move
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  Speaker 1: on and stop rehashing what happened? And it still feels like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the trade thing is like you're still kind
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  Speaker 1: of holding last year over him if I didn't like
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  Speaker 1: how you handled it. So are we on to the
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  Speaker 1: next or are we still kind of living in that season?
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just I think you need
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  Speaker 1: to bury this season. I don't I don't need I
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  Speaker 1: don't need him to come out and say Max my
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  Speaker 1: guy where you know, I get that part of it,
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, like that there needs to
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  Speaker 1: be some kind of support for this kid. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like at that line later you get that part of
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  Speaker 1: it that he won't just say he's got well he
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  Speaker 1: always want that in the past. Yeah, yeah, No. I
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  Speaker 1: guess what I'm trying to say is that I understand
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  Speaker 1: if he feels like Mac needs to be better and
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  Speaker 1: that he needs to take steps to you know, get
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  Speaker 1: him in line a little bit. But but it's just
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  Speaker 1: a stream at this point, and it feels punitive. It's
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  Speaker 1: not relevant not I do want to get to that later,
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  Speaker 1: because there was something I read over the weekend that
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  Speaker 1: sort of sparked that. But so this this report now
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  Speaker 1: today about potentially Bill shopping Mac, like the timing. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think it's something that happened a while ago or
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  Speaker 1: do you think it's something that it might be sort
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  Speaker 1: of ongoing? And here's like I just I keep thinking
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  Speaker 1: of Evans thing that you know you had late in
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  Speaker 1: the season, Like is it going to cost two second
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  Speaker 1: round picks to get Aaron Rodgers? And is that completely
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  Speaker 1: out of the realm of possibility that Bill swoops in
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  Speaker 1: and does something like that? And that's what you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe this is kind of a new thing. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably not related at all to that. It's probably
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  Speaker 1: something that happened before, Like why would you be shopping
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  Speaker 1: him to the Raiders after they signed, So that makes
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  Speaker 1: no sense. So it's probably old. But if you're a
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  Speaker 1: but if it is true, if it is true and
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  Speaker 1: you wash shopping, you have some type of plan, like
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  Speaker 1: you have something like if we do do a trade,
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  Speaker 1: here's my plan to have a quarterback for twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: You know. So, whether it's Lamar Jackson or Harron or
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  Speaker 1: somebody else, they've got to be thinking if if this
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  Speaker 1: is true, what is the plan if it succeeds, if
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  Speaker 1: I do am able to move them? But I don't
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  Speaker 1: you know who knows it's I don't know what I
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  Speaker 1: just say, do said what I am trying to say
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  Speaker 1: in a much nicer way because I'm just fed up
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  Speaker 1: with this BS. But the point is is that you
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  Speaker 1: are at the point now the off season where there's
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  Speaker 1: a probably a ninety percent chance that Mac Jones is
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  Speaker 1: your quarterback next year. Move the heck on. That's enough
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  Speaker 1: about two. I agree with Evan on that, like Bill
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  Speaker 1: needs to do it. So I've been critical of Mac,
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  Speaker 1: but I think Bill needs to say, Okay, you know
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  Speaker 1: I did this wrong. You didn't handle it right. That
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  Speaker 1: was last year, right? Isn't it always the way? It's better.
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  Speaker 1: It's not about what you've done, it's what you're doing now.
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  Speaker 1: You don't think he'll do that or he I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he has shown any signs of doing it. Not
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  Speaker 1: for Mac, but I think he has kind of done
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  Speaker 1: it for Jack Jones and Jake Bailey when he was
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  Speaker 1: asked at the end. I know Jake Bailey got released.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, but you know they asked him about Jack Jones.
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  Speaker 1: It's in the past now. I mean he's addressed both
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  Speaker 1: those things in that similar way. Now, this isn't Bill
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  Speaker 1: Belichick coming out. This is a report, you know, from
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  Speaker 1: from Pro Football Talk. But still it's but just like
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  Speaker 1: you know, back to where we were sort of chuckling
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  Speaker 1: before the show, it kind of seems like that's the way,
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  Speaker 1: like the whole tension thing. And Chris Gasper wrote a
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  Speaker 1: call him in the Boston Globe today, you know, same
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  Speaker 1: kind of thought process. The camps don't seem to be
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  Speaker 1: aligned between Robert and Bill, and I think part of
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  Speaker 1: that is the handling of Mac, you know, and I
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  Speaker 1: kind of agree with Evan's point. I don't know exactly
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in Bill's mind because he doesn't let
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of us know what's going on in his
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  Speaker 1: mind more often than not. But from the outside looking in,
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  Speaker 1: it certainly seems like he's continuing to sort of hold
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  Speaker 1: his quarterback at arm's length, not necessarily embrace him in
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: any way. There's no Jack Jones like that was. That's
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: in the past, right, And you know, the one thing
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: that I sort of alluded to about this whole he
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: won't declare him the starting quarterback. And this notion that
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Bill doesn't do that, that's to meet complete fiction. And
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: back in two thousand and one, he definitively declared Brady
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: his quarterback for the foreseeable future after that loss to
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: the Rims because he thought that was in the best
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: interests of the team. Right. He then traded Bledsoe in
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the offseason, So that was it. So from two thousand
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: and two, I'm going to say until twenty fourteen, there
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: was never another reason to ask the question, is Tom
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Brady your quarterback? Then he drafted Garoppolo in the second
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: round and made the comments about his age and his
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: contract status. Right go to Week four of that season
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: again Kansas City, when it all fell apart. That was
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: probably the first time that he was ever asked since
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Brady was the name of the starter. Is the quarterback
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: being evaluated? How that go over? He laughed at He
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: laughed at it, right, So don't tell me he doesn't
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: declare his quarterback. Right, and we all know about Cam
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Newton throughout the twenty twenty season. Yep, this is different.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: This is the anomaly. Everybody's sort of acting like the
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Cam Newton thing was the anomaly. It wasn't. Quarterback is different. Well,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: he has been willing to say that this is my
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: starting quarterback and for whatever reason, he's not willing to
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: say that now. Yeah, either move on from Mac or
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: move on from last season. You can't this. Yeah, every
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: single time he's asked about Mac Jones, like at the
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: owner's meetings last week, the smug look on it, you
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: can tell, you can just see it all, you know, Well,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: it does smell of a power struggle, like you know
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: where Bill he's not gonna give in, like like his
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: action bringing in Bill O'Brien says, yeah, we're last year
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't right. We're gonna make We're gonna make that right.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: So there's an admittance there, but he's not gonna publicly
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: do it because I'm the head coach. Damn it, you're
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the quarterback who's been in the league two years. I'm
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: there's no way that I am going to bend over
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: for you. I'm sorry, but I'm the head coach of
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: this football team and what I say goes and that's it.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: That's it, And I would hope that message got delivered.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And I mean, it's just it's these things keep getting
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: drummed up right now. And I think it's also just interesting,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: like you know, Paul brought up the past, I mean
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: the time we're in now too, especially with kid like
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Mac in his twenties, like they're all over social media,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: you know, right now his phone is blowing up with
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: this report where you know, maybe in the past, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to draw a comparison, I'm just it's
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: a lot harder now. But in the past, did you
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: read the Globe this morning? You know, like, did you
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: like it's that's how you'd have to go to find
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: these things. And now it's all getting thrown at him.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: In this era, there's much more sensitivity on the part
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: of the year of the athletes, right, so it seems
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: that way there would be even more of a and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: to sort of publicly endorse your guy, then then there
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: would have been And he's always like I said, like
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I I just bristle, Like there are some people that
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: claim that Bill never does that he's staying consistent with
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the way he's always been. I don't think this is
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: consistent with what he's done at quarterback. You know, maybe
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: he talks about it's open competition at spot, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: like that line about Bailey Zappy um from that from
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Arizona and from the from the meetings about you know,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you know, we look forward to competitionyone's going to get
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: a chance. Everyone's going to have a chance to compete.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And I also thought it was interesting that Mike Reese
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: had a little line in his notes on Sunday indicating
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that Zappy was getting more first team reps late last
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: season in practice. Yeah, the only thing I would would
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: how would a writer know that? Well, the only thing
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I would say, you're not allowed to watch practice, you know.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: The only thing I would say Paul about you know
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Bill is you know, people say Bill has never done that,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you're saying he has when it comes to the quarterback.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, Tom Brady and Giselle got it in
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: their head that Bill doesn't give Brady enough respect, you know, yeah,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: all right, and and so, but but it was never
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a question of whether or not he was the starting quarterback. No,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: but as the starting quarterback. One time someone asked him
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: if he was the starting quarterback. He laughed at yeah,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: but my poor Mike Giardi. But you know, we got
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the reports of you know, he treats he treated Brady
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the same way, and you know, all that stuff. For
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, Brady had it in his mind that this
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: guy doesn't respect me enough, you know. So yeah, I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: mean I was just I mean, not to get all
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: us weekly, but like my brain kind of goes to
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Sophie, who I imagine, like you know, like
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: my spouse, if someone was critical of me in some way,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I hate them. I just imagine she is so done
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: with this team. Probably right now, shap Drew's mother wanted
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to really physically kill Bill. Absolutely, I believe, like that's
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: totally the way I could see it, the protective nature
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: of that kind of a relationship. And to me, Fred,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: your your point is accurate about how he was always
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: tough on Tom, but that was his that was his performance,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Like he never let him get comfortable, and it also
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: really didn't become an issue. I don't think until he
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: drafted Garoppolo he took Garrappolo as a threat. Yeah, and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: then he goes out and talks about we all know
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the age in the contract status of of the quarterback.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I mean like that to me made it different. Well,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: do you think that this is another branch of that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: kind of tree of I'm gonna drop up Garoppolo and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: then we're gonna you know, maybe it lights a fire
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: under Tom's ask, Maybe it doesn't. Maybe it just Jimmy's
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: better than him, you know, like, is this is this
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: something not the same, but is this a similar kind
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: of thinking of I'm not going to give him the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: credit he's now gonna get. You know, if you had
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to see it, I think he honestly felt at that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: time that Brady didn't have I totally agree for you
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: know five you know you had to say, hand on
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: a bible. He drafted Garoppolo to set up fire under
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Brady's ass or to replace Brady. What would you guess
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I would go with Fredy. Yes, I think he thought
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: two sixteen or seventeen, Garoppolo is going to be my
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: quarter I need to start grooming a replacement. I think
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: he honestly felt that. That doesn't mean that I'm right,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: but I don't think that he just drafted a guy
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: in the second round to sort of motivate Yeah, Brady,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: are you right now? That's what happened, right, I think
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: it's inarguable that that's that was the result of it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It's another example of those things that I talked about
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: before the show that every once in a while, you
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: do something and no matter what, it just works out. Yeah,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and Brady looks like like it's replacement. I've got another
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: ten years, you know. He always said he did, and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: he did. It's just, you know what, For me, it's
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the mounting tension. And every training camp we go into
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: is exciting and has interesting things that I'm excited to see.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I've ever really felt this way
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: about there's gonna be tension this year in camp of
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: who's playing, where, what's going you know, is the offense
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: clicking better than it didn't last year? I mean, of course,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: this is you've missed the playoffs two out of the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: last three years. Like that's all part of it. But
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: every new little thing that comes out I just feel
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the tension around here getting you know, not specific to us,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: of course, but just that outlook the summer, it's gonna
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: be it's gonna be a free for all. I unless
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you know, there is like this trade thing is real,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: or you know, and it happens. There's something. I really
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: think that Bill, before we see these guys out in
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the field, they will move on. He'll throw some flowers
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: at Mac. I think, like, hell, like he's had a
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: great offseason. Whatever, we're excited. Yeah, whatever it is. Would
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: like the first ota we're out there and he's just
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: like throwing food cage. I can imagine they will just guy,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you know, and they'll all be on the same page
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: by that comes out on his back like a piggyback,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: like let's go by'll They'll all be on the same
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: page by May or you know, in a few weeks
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: when OTAs open up. I can't wait for those. I
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: had the internal optimism of Fred. That's all. That's all
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I gotta say. I never know, I gotta tell you
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: normally I'm with Fred on those kinds of things that
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: always seem to work out. I think there are issues.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I think there are issues inside the structure, and I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna get fixed overnight. I just no
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: longer have that trust. Like once upon a time we
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: all and Bill we trust is the old hashtag, But
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: we all just thought and knew in our heart of
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: hearts that he would do the right thing and that
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: they would figure it out. The only way I don't,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I don't I live like that anymore. The only the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: only way it won't work is if Mac has really
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: made up his mind that I hate this place. Yeah,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you know, he's been here almost every day working out,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: so he's got to look at his phone and see, oh,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: they almost traded me. So I just gotta admit, I
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: just gotta believe that Bill will have this sit down
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: if it hasn't happened already. Like you know, Mac, last
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: year sucked, I admit it. It's gonna be better this year.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: O'Brien's here. You know, we're gonna you know, we're gonna
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: be okay. Let's let's we're on to twenty twenty three.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And that's why, Like I think that that might be possible,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Like I think that there's it's possible that Mac knows
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the real story. They've had it, you know, but I
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: still think of like a person like his girlfriend Sophie,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: who is going to see these things, and like, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: when you try to explain things at work to your
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: spouse and you're like, no, no, it's no, it's not
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: it's fine, I know, and it's well, it doesn't seem
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like it to me. You know. That's and that's a
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: voice in his ear, and it's it's hard. It's a
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: hard balancing act. And I just I wonder where his
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: headspace really is right now. I'm sure he's doing all
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the right things in terms of working out and you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: getting his body in shape, and you know, I hopefully
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: his mind is ready to go and is focused on
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: this season because it's it's it's challenging. But I was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: gonna ask you having to do like what are the like,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: what where did you go out on Bill? Was it
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: just last year with the offense, it was just the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Maddie pe thing last year, or was it kind of
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: like I mean, I assume that there's been a few
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: different things for you that have kind of I mean,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: especially I would probably guess that Nikkil Harry would be
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: would be probably a pretty big strike in your book
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: on him too. But what else, what else is it?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: That's it? You got number one. The first thing was
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: draft night twenty nineteen when you drafted nickil Harry over
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: DK Metcalf and deebo set we don't have to do
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: this again twenty nineteen Draft night. That was strike one.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Strike two was forcing Brady out. That was strike two.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And I would say strike three is a culmination of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the last three seasons of watching them just basically rebuild
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and only one person's mindset as the right way to
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: rebuild and not really not just not do enough to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: make this team better. And then the final nail on
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the coffin was was the whole thing last year? Like Patricia,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that was And I'm not saying that I'm like out
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: on Bill, like you know that you know, should be
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: fired or anything like that, but that was the point
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: where I no longer trusted Bill to do the right thing,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: and I no longer I became a skeptic then, because
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: before that, I mean, he could do no wrong in
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: my eyes. Strange Pick probably too that one, yeah, oh yeah,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Cole strange Pick, Yeah, add that to it. Just a
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: laundry list of things that he's done since basically twenty nineteen.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Where we are now at the point where he no
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: longer has the benefit of the doubt for me, Like
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: now you're you're proving yourself all over again to to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: me like that really matters. But yeah, that's where I'm at,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: all right. So it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I mean about the draft though, I mean that's exciting. Yeah. Well, okay,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: so last night, um at the Red Sox game, Uh
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and Smith and Jing the Jing perfect his brother is
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: on the Pirates and um brothers a big dude. Yeah
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: for baseball player. Yeah, so he Jackson Smith and Jigbo's
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: at Fenoy last night with the Red Sox. Guess where
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: he's not coming here. He's already here, Like you don't
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: even need to pay for the flight. He already came
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: on his own right. But he did say when they
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: interviewed him that they treated me really well. Yeah, the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: people at Fenway treated him really well. Okay, he's not
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: coming to meet with the Patriots. When I don't pay
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: attention to the social media as much, I just assumed
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: that he was here for a visit and coincided with playing. Nope,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: total total, he is. He is not here to meet
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: with anybody with the Patriots and you know that was
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: here though? Wow was he? Is that a joke? Well,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: we did have him for a tryout. All you gotta
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: do is send an uber for the kid and bring
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: him in. You're allowed thirty visits. Yes, okay, so what
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: if you were what if the books written on this guy?
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: You know he's he's available, will take him. I don't
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: need him here, I would talk to I would prefer
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to meet with the top wide receiver in the draft
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: when it might be the biggest need on my board,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and he also might just happen to be the best
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: player the board. Yeah, but like that, those are the
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: ten minute conversations. Okay, but maybe they they've the research
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: is in on him, and maybe they don't need to
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: see him again. You know, maybe I don't know. I
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I mean they have. They're having Jordan Addison here tomorrow.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: He's coming in for a visit. Smoke screen and they've
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: obviously really get it, really gotten works. They've really gotten
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to nose flowers throughout the whole process at the Shrine
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Bowl and get things like that screen so you don't
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: have to waste. Then we go out at TCS TCUs
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Pro Day and uh and Bill and macro are chumming
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: it up with Quentin Johnston. Fine, that stood out to me. Cool,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that stood out to me. Yeah, just because I don't think,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: like I mean, when you see those guys all at Alabama,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: all right, and I know that that there's guys that's
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: TCU two, But I don't know, I just go and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I know we feel similar about Johnston, but just seeing
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: them both there and they kind of had like these
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: little grins on their face, I don't know. I I
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: just I can't rule I can't rule that guy out
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: based on the interest that the guy that they take. Yeah,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: because now this is this goes to a philosophical question
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I've been wondering about. Is do you think that they're
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: continuing just to hammer We think defenses are getting small
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and we want to go size. We want size. If
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: he played big, yeah, then I then I could hear that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: But he doesn't play like a six foot two receiver.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: He plays like a five foot eleven receiver in a
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: six foot two receiver's body. You know when when you
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: watch him. In other words, he has good quickness and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: he's no, he just doesn't play the ball down the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: field like he doesn't take advantage of him. No, exactly. Okay,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: so a lot of his catches down the field, he
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: let's get into his body instead of going up and
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: plucking it out of the air, like you know Davante
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Park does on a contested cash down the sideline. He
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: one of his bigger concerns on film is that he
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: lets the ball come into his body and he doesn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: really attack the football in the air, so he doesn't
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: play to his size down the field. It just that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that that's you know, my feelings on him don't have
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to but even not just to him. I mean, you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about GHISICKI um, you know, even Juju to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: an extent, like you know what I mean, it's just
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: they just don't really seem to care about the note
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: want to say, Zay Flowers. But the guys like that anymore,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: you know, like they just don't really have an interest
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: everybody that they're looking. It's like it started when the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Keel Harry. You know. It's just and that's why I'm like,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: why are they continuing? I think that this philosophy it
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: transcends the Maddy p offense. It seems like this is
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and that's all that I could come up with was
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: just that they feel like the league is headed towards
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: smaller defensive backs and we want to go with size.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: And I mean, this seems like what you're four or
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: five that they're trying to do it. It doesn't really
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: seem to work. But I just I have to come
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: up with a reason of why are they ignoring these
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: kind of players that we all see as the Patriot
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: it's kind of guys like you know, like is it anymore?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know. I don't know
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: what they're looking at. It's a fair point. I just
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: there are way too many And Quinn Johnson might end
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: up being DK metcalf right, he might have being a
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: fantastic player, but there's just way too many parallels in
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: his game to Nikil Harry's game. And you just even
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: if it's just to avoid making the same mistake twice,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I just don't know how that ends up being your guy.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Even even if you think, oh, he's a lot, you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: his feet are much quicker, he doesn't run like he's
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: in quicksand like this that, and you like you have
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to you have to avoid making the same being a
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: error repeater right. I mean, how do you just go
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: right back down that road again? I just can't imagine that.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: All right, five five Pats five hundred is the ACE ticket,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: hut line, web radio at patriot dot com is email address.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Let's get to the phones. By the way, it's deuced.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: It's Evan, it's Paul. It's me, No Tamara, no Alex
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: today because the cameras are off. Ryan's in New Jersey.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: What's up? Good shot? Hey guys, Hey, good good to
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: have you aboard, Evan. Um, I got a couple of
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: things I want to vent on about Bell. So number
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: one is it seems like Bill has successfully this offseason
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: shifted the blame from his decision about Patricia to Mac.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Number two. You're gonna have to clarify that because how
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: is the fair point? How has he done that by
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: shopping Max? What are you talking about Patricia anymore? Bill's
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: never come out and said why he made the decision.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I've never heard him say it was a bad decision.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I did this. Well, his action says it was a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: bad decision at people don't think it was his actually right, Well,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I mean whatever, But now Bill O'Brien is the offensive
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: coordinator and it's not Matt Patricia's. So if Bill thought
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that that was the right decision, Matt Patricia would still
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: be the offensive coordinator here. Not necessarily, I can only
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: speak on what the actions. But if it was an
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: edict from above, if if if well, I know, but
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: let's let's look at some of the you know, circumstantial stuff,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: like they put out a release saying they're going to
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: be looking for a new offensive co winner. If they've
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: ever done that before. No, but I mean maybe the
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: owner made you know, that was the owner's decision. But
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I think that I think Bill realize that it didn't work.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's not I think he realized
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: it didn't work. But that doesn't necessarily mean he didn't
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: think it couldn't work. Yeah, if Mac would have just
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: gone on right, And I kind of agree with Ryan.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: And this was like part of the story that Gasper
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: wrote today, the column that he had in The Globe
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: was that it it's sort of like a shifting between
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Bill and Robert Kraft to sort of like absolve themselves
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: of responsibility for the you know, the the drop off.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: And I think it's much more on the part of
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Bill Um because Robert's just the owner. I'm like, he's
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: not doing all of these football decisions, you know. And
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I do think that if these kinds of reports are accurate,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and that's a big if. I don't know if Florio's
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: report is accurate, but I think Ryan's right, And to
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: sort of extrapolate, if you're dangling your quarterback, you're sort
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: of trying to tell people, wasn't my fault. It wasn't
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: because I made Matt Patricia the offensive coordinator. This guy's
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: not any good. Yeah, that's why I'm trying to trade them.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: If that's yeah, Okay, go ahead, Ryan, and ye so um.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: The thing about Mac going outside the building, and I've
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: listened to a lot of people talking about it, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: everybody's got their point. But as a leader, at the end,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: my question is, do you think Bill knew that Mac
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: and the offense weren't getting the answers that they needed,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: or do you think in his mind the reason he
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: is mad is because hey, me and my coaching staff
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: were providing you guys everything, you don't get it? Or
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: do you think he said, you know, it just seems
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to me that you know, he's and all bent out
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: of shape. But did he know that they were struggling?
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And if he knew they were struggling, why shouldn't he
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: take any responsibility for it? Why couldn't he say? That's
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: on me. Max shouldn't have had to do that, that's
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: on me. It seems again like if he new and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: just let it happen, that's horrible. If he didn't know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: that's even worse. I mean, I think he had to know.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, if they were like a lot of execution issues.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: There were just such sloppy football last year, so many
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: stupid mistakes over and over and poor situational awareness, just
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: things that you would put under other you know, just
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: on one occasion, you know, concussing one of them. I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: don't know how you could look at that. I mean,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I like, I get execution stuff, all right, we had
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the right play and this guy just did the wrong thing,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and that that's not a coaching thing. That's just a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: player screwing up in the moment. But to me, there
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: were just too many issues. We just don't know the details.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: You know, Bill could say, listen, you know you've got
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to come to me. You come to me now. Maybe
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Mac did and he didn't get the right answer, or
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Build said he didn't have time whatever. I don't know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: but it also could be that he was just mad
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that he didn't come to him with all these It's
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: also indicative of the two camps though, that have been created.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And this is why I'm with Evan and less optimistic
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: about the fixes than you are. Like so, like Mike said,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: you can have mac Jones and you can look at
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: that and say, well, you know, he's he's taking the
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: bull by the horns. He knows there's a problem, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: he's trying to fix it. He's trying to figure out
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: ways that he can get about it. He's just trying
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to improve. Or you can look at it from the
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: other camp and say, this is in subordination. This guy
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: is not loyal to our program and our coaches, and
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: he's not even given it a chance. And I'm not
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: telling you one of those is right or wrong. But
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the two diametrically opposed camps. Sure, and that's an issue.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And I think that they play they'd like that all year. Yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: And that was the bigger point. Is this just there
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: was no buying, Like you could just tell buying. The
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: players had no buying, They had no trust that if
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: they did, like it's just if they did what the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: coaches were prescribing to them. They I don't think they
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: believed that it would be successful. And I mean I
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: think the things remarkable to me is like you just
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: you go back to, like a lot of times we
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: like speculated these things. I go back to last summer
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: when we speculated Kendrick Bourne and where did he come from,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shannon, you know, those kind of things, and at
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the time you're like, I don't know. But in retrospect
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: now you start to put those dots together in your life.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: And how do you think thinks about it? You know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: he's thinking that the coaching's there, the executions lacking. And
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: if you think that that's wrong, think about what another
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: comment that he made when you were out there, Mike
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: in Arizona about kmay Cord. Coach is not the problem.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Coaches the problem. In twenty twenty, we had best special
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: teams in the league. Okay, so the coaching didn't do
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: anything wrong last year to allow three kick returns for
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: a touchdown, a block punt and running into the punter,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: that was largely responsible for you losing it. Like there
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: were a lot of breakdowns on special teams last year.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Coaching wasn't responsible for any of them. Yeah, because he was.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: The special teams were good in twenty twenty, which, by
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the way, resulted in like one great game when all
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: chef's got crazy against the Chargers. I mean, I don't know, Yeah,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: we are we giving a chord credit for like Marcus
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Jones returning a punt as time expires and that's like
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: proof that he's great or was it like a good block,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: like a blocking scheme it was. I'm not like, I'm
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: not dismissing that ever it I'm not trying to be unfair.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: But you have good blocking schemes and you get a
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: twenty five yard return, he took an eighty seven yards
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: or whatever it was touchdown to win a game. I
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I think Bill. Bill might be in a
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: tough spot, you know, because his decision didn't work, you know,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and it was a coaching decision, and so now he's
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: desperately trying to keep you know, the coaches together, and
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: so the last thing he wants to do is, you know,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: be talking bad about about coaches right now, you know, um,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: because he realizes that it's fragile. You know. I've I've
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: got to correct what happened last year, and I'm not
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: going to correct it by blaming coaches in public. Frank
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: can blame the players, well, you know, I whatever. But
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I just think that he's he might be in a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: difficult in his mind, he might be in a difficult situation.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I just think what's hard, too, is that it feels
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like I'm want to say you're better than this, but like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: you know, these things, like you know all these like
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of this just seems so self inflicted when
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: you could you could avoid some of this drama and maybe,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you know, keep your quarterback at least focused on what's
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: going on here, here and now, rather than you know,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: running the social media every twenty minutes to find out
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: what the latest is on how the Patriots feel about
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: about him. Like, I don't know, Bill, it's it's been
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: some head scratcher decisions. I mean, I like the draft
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: stuff we talked about people miss on draft picks, Like
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I get it, it's it's you know, but last year,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: to me, that doesn't happen, Like you don't decide to
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: stick guys that haven't done things before. And I mean
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: all I said last offseason was everything should be towards
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones, build around Mac Jones. We got to find
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: out about this kid. We're saying a lot of that
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: stuff now too. And maybe that's true on the field,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: but off the field, I don't feel like they're doing
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: everything they can to make sure he's successful. I feel
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: like they're just piling stuff up against him and making
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: it harder. All right, Mike drop, there we go. Okay,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: next cut, Fred looking at his watch. Next up is
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Rashod in Baltimore. What's up, Rashad? Hey? What's up? Very rad? Hey? First,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I definitely got Evan hit everything on the nose and
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: he would talk about high fell out with Bill because
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much that's pretty much whast thought it, and
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: he pretty much at all the brother points the twenty
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: nineteen draft, and y'all can because y'all can correct me
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But well, I know Lamar was in
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: that draft because I wanted Lamar, but was a J.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Brown in that draft. Lamar was twenty eight and I
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and was the end of the draft. Lamar was twenty
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: but a J. Brown. He was Harry was with the
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that was twenty nineteen largely considered one of the greatest
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: wide receiver drafts in recent memory, and I got the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: only one who couldn't play, not the Laman Williams. I
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: didn't say, it was the only one that was a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: really good receiver draft. I ended up being. Of course,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: week we get the worst of the bunch, ye of
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the high pack, and he's I mean, I don't think
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: he's in on a team now, and to kill by
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the way. But but I'm saying all that to say,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I think you got the worst of the probably the
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: worst drafting receiver in that class, Perry. So I'm like,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: maybe we can get you know, maybe we can get him,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: but we got to kill. But he wanted to kill her.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, I didn't like it, but
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: it's Bill. And then Brady's on. He you know, he
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: didn't want Bred because that's what he wants, and he
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: didn't want Brady anymore. So I'm like, Okay, that's that's
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: that's my coach, you know, it's that's this decision. But
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: now you know, it's like, it's this is the third
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: It's just I mean, it's more than a third time
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: because it's twenty twenty three. But I'm I'm I'm I'm
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: done with Phil, and I'm and I'm trying to say,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: like it is anybody bigger than the team? Like because
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: because Fred earlier, you would saying, you know, he's doing
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: stuff because he's the head coach. You know, he gotta
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: you know, tell Mac, you know, stuff like that. But
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: like what about you know, what about Max doing that
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: so he can be better for the team, Like like
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: what like what's more important his ego or the team?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: So it's it's a lot of things with Bill, and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Bill was very stuck in his way. He's very stucking
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: with and I'm I'm I'm just I'm ready for I'm
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: ready for a change. I feel like Mac is not
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: getting a fair chance. He's pretty i mean, he pretty
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: much being set up to fail. And I don't really
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: think it's going to end well. I think I think
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: we wasting time. I think we really need to move
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: on because is he like is he the answer? Like all,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: we're gonna keep doing this one two years, you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: and we like to find another quarterback. Oh, welcome to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of the NFL. I mean that's what happens,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: you know, when we feared that it might um if
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: you don't find the guy right away, you get stuck
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: into this kind of purgatory quarterback purgatory. Even if he
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't the right guy. I feel like I feel like
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: everything that Bill has done has pretty much like pushed
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: him down, even if he wasn't the right guy. Thing
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: like he could have he could have been a better
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: quarterback if Bill would have If if Bill would have
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: just I don't know how to see it, but if
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: he would have just helped him more, like, you know,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: it's just it just feel like Bill's ego is is
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: pretty much going to be the downfall of him, all right, thanks, Yeah.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I mean I think it got to be a power struggle,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and I think you know, it was a clash, and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you know, both sides dug their heels in during the season,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: and you know, Bill just couldn't see himself, you know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: maybe making you know, uh, you know, exceptions for a
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: player of you know, of that status. You know. I
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: just I just think we're getting to the point where
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: there is now mounting evidence that Bill Belichick, the offensive mind,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: might not be very good at coaching offense or knowing
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: offense in general. Defensively, no one has any you can't
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: question a single thing about that man on that side
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of the football. But offensively without Tom Brady, whether it
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: was in Cleveland or it was here, it hasn't been
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: very good offensively for Bill without Tom Brady. And at
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: some point you have to look at not only how
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: he's handled this situation in terms of personalities, but just
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: in terms of talent, evaluation and overall just to you know, scheme, talent,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: all those types of things. I just don't know. I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: don't know where I'm at anymore with does does Bill
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: know what he's doing on that side of the football?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Chris and Scottsdale? What's up? Chris? Hey, guys, um, It's
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: always an interesting conversation. And I'm hoping you can hear me. Okay,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I have air pods, you know, if you can't, Yeah, okay.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It's always an interesting conversation when when we hear the
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: talk about Bill and uh, you know, sort of the
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: grasp on the team and control and so on and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: so forth. And I've been kind of beating this drum
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: for for frankly years now, and for me, it was evident,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: it was it was very clear. There was lots of evidence,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: you know, to Evan Evans point, you know, with the
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: decision making, you know, with with the drafts and you know,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: and so on and so on and free agency and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: you know, we keep talking about it, but at some point,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: you know, and and just to make a quick comment,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I don't kind of bouncing around a little bit here,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: but a comment on the quarterback, you know, with Jones, Um,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I've really even though things have been unfair for him,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I don't really dig the way that like he's handled
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the situation right in terms of leadership, you know, for
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: for an NFL team, you know, And he's a young guy,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and I can appreciate all that. And the pressure that's
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: put on the QB, which is what makes it such
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: a unique position in sports, is dramatic, right, And if
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: you don't have a guy that can be a leader,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you're done. So to sit here in toil and waste time.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: It doesn't shock me that that he's been shopped around. Um.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: But but to Evan's point, you know, and some of
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the callers that have been, you know, expressing their frustration,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: it's like when is enough? Is enough? Is enough? With Bill? Like,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I'm completely completely I've been kind of over it, but
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I'm really feeling like there really needs to be an
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: outside change, you know, complete change, And I just want
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to get your thoughts. Well, you know, we were always
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: warned that, you know, Bill's style works when you're winning,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: but you know the test is when things aren't going well.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And I would just say, right, your record is who
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: you are, you know. I mean, look at his record
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: without Brady Man, I mean, look at it. Yeah, yeah,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I just I mean, I don't I don't really want
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: to defend mac Jones, but I also just would like
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: to say, in light of what we've learned about last season,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I have a little bit of a different perspective on
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: mac Jones's frustration and acting out. I'm not excusing it.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't love it at the time, but I also
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: feel like Mac Jones probably went into a lot of
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: these games last year feeling like we don't really have
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: a chance right now, Like we don't really know what
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: we're doing. And I can't imagine what it's like to
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: go into an NFL game where you're you're putting a
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: lot on the line in those games to not have
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: full confidence in what you're about to do. What we
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: don't know is if Mac had handled it better, Yeah,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: would Bill have been more accommodating to him and more
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: empathetic and more sympathy. I've said it all along. I
• 48:56
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  Speaker 1: now great moments in history. They will they will not
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  Speaker 1: be vicious attacks on Bill O'Brien. Drop him. I disagree.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I think he's under a lot of pressure. This offense
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: looks by this year the way it did last year.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I think people will be here with pitchforks and torches
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: for who for the for Bill Belichick, Okay, Bill O'Brien,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: and for Mac Jones. We'll see good, We'll see what
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: they have for We'll see what they have for weapons.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: You gotta divvy it up. It's it's tough out Felon
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  Speaker 1: Mac if he if he, if they have the same
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: cast of characters back on offense, you gotta get him.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Jim Chase, he keeps saying, teflon Mac and I still
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: here on his shows. The people who call in are
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: at least fifty fifty on that subject. That Max's not
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: the guy. Wait a minute, I hear that all the way.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Are you comparing like the calls? Yeah, the callers, Okay,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: the fans, the people who spend the money to come
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: to the game. That's not a cross section of the people.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: The people who call those shows, yeah, are almost entirely negative. Okay, Well,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: because because I see you talking, you're talking about the people,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: the media people, the people who cover the deaby. I'm
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: gonna have a round table in my living room. You
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: can come. We're gonna talk about Matt. Who else am
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I are you listening to about this? I don't I
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: get about the media. This is talking at This is
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: not hard to understand. I'm not talking about the media.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Like Tom Curran said, you could trade Mac Jones over
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Robert Craft's dead body two days ago. Right, like, so
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: he's accomplished so much, you don't we can't even broach
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: the topic that if someone came to the Patriots looking
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: to deal for Mac. We can't even listen. Again, I
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: don't care what the media says. Okay, well that's the
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: only talking about the paying public. Okay, Well, you have
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: no way of knowing what the pay in public thinks.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: I do when they call in the show that is
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: over the top negativity fred on Sports Radio, Come on,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it's fifty fifty. It's not over the top.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: It's over the top negativity for the most part. The
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: hosts are about five minutes later. I gotta I gotta
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: find these Max super fans. I don't I don't haven't seen.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I don't seen a lot of them. They're not allowed allowed. Well,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: he thinks that everybody's a Max superfan. Teflon Mackie called him. Okay,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about fans. I don't know why you
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: keep bringing up fans. I'm talking about the people who
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: cover the team. But who can you name me one
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: guy who covers the team that thinks that they should
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: move on from Mac Jones. I'd have to look, I'd
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: have to look at my notes. That's another great moment
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• 1:00:59
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• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: so if y'all have already talked about this, please accept
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: my apologies. Read a story reporting that Tommy Current said
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• 1:01:12
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• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: part opinion from Current, but wanted to get your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: this is messed up, we don't know what we're doing.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: And then that's what they got rid of him for.
• 1:01:40
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• 1:01:42
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• 1:01:46
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• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't interesting because Howyer got the concussion
• 1:01:50
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• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: again gone forever. You never saw him again. We saw
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: him walking around and stuff. Yeah, never, never in uniform. Never.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Current opined that the reason that he was never activated
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: again was because they were done with him, because, as
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Mike said, he was on team Mac right in that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: camp where the coaches didn't know what they were talking
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: about and he wasn't doing anything. They helped the situation,
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  Speaker 1: which to me, Carrie's more way because Brian Hoyer has
• 1:02:19
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• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: you know, no offense to Mac, but he's you know,
• 1:02:23
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• 1:02:26
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• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: league for over twenty twelve years and that he's not
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: buying in like see, these are the things that like
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: do you not know? What's the coaches? Why? I don't.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I don't completely blame it all on Mac because I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: think that they were right. I just don't think they
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: were right in the way they handled it and responded
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: to it. But I think they were right initially, and
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: you go back to that story that, you know, the
• 1:02:50
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• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: and Karen and you know them talking about the number
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: of plays that were installed in training camp, even like
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: routine Monday and things that veterans like Brian Hoyer would say,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: this isn't right. It's August fifteenth. We should be here
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: and we're only here, like there's something wrong. They know
• 1:03:09
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• 1:03:13
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• 1:03:16
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• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: we watch the plays. I don't know what every play
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: is called, but I watch how they start training camp
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: every year. And if all of a sudden they start
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: this year and there's like no red zone work, I'll
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: be like, wow, that's different. Well, I mean that's like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, they said that point too, Like in my
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: notes that I took this year from the training camps,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: like a lot of wide zone, Like they would just
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: come in and it would just be like a session
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: of just wide zone, right wide zone, left, wide zone,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: right wide zone left. So a guy like Brian Hoyer,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: to your point is he's gonna know like I know
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: this system, I know other systems. This is where we
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: should be. We're not doing the things to prepare for
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: the season. And I think even some of the guys,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the anonymous quotes in that story were like, we didn't
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: have enough plays to go into Miami. We didn't felt
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: like we had enough plays installed. And that just carries
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Why is Brian Hoyer here right like? He's here because
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: he's an experienced quarterback that can be a sounding board
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: to Mac if you've lost that guy who also has
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: been plenty of time in New England, knows how Bill
• 1:04:15
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• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: of what it's gonna you know, what's gonna go down
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: if he expresses dissatisfaction with his coaching that he's receiving, Like,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: it's just to me, that carries a lot of weight,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of weight. It's the one thing we can
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: all just say, Oh, it's just Mac being a whiny
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: second year kid and he doesn't want to do what
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: they want him to do. But you know, if it's
• 1:04:34
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• 1:04:36
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• 1:04:38
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• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:44
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• 1:04:47
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• 1:04:50
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• 1:04:53
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• 1:04:56
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• 1:04:59
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• 1:05:03
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• 1:05:07
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• 1:05:11
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• 1:05:15
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• 1:05:17
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• 1:05:22
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• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: that's not that's not how we're supposed to run this route.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And I think the second thing that was really unanimous
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: across the board in the offensive line room was the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: past protection scheme and the way that they stripped down
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Max tools, David Andrews's tools at the line of scrimmage
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: to sniff out blitzes and move protections and reset mic
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: points and things like that, and they felt like they
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: basically just called a protection in the huddle, got to
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, snapped the football, and whatever happened
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: post snap happened post snap, and there wasn't a whole
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: lot Paul in between. Paul is pointing to NFL Now,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: which is on our TV, which has Land zero Line's
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: latest mock draft, with the Patriots selecting Anthony Richardson quarterback
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Florida at fourteenth overall, which is like, I mean, I
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: think that there now, that means the Patriots. If that happens,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: the Patriots traded out. I know they're showing the Patriots logo,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: but there's no way I think go back to a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: place though, where like I think the max selection, I
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: think we're all like it's kind of a safe pick.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: You know what, He's got a high floor, Like this
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: is what we're talking about, where you know Richardson, It's like,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you rather see the greatest coach of all time
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: working with just a raw piece of me that could
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: be something amazing rather than like, let's just work with
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Them's gonna say, I don't have any faith in the offense.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Douche touche, Let's go back to the phone eight five
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: five Pats five hundred, Williams and Philham. What's up? William?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Tell you Fred? How are you doing? All right? All
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: right again? All right? Man? The news? Uh? Um? So? Evan?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Uh so, why are you upset? Evan? I mean why
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I knew that. I knew this was coming, Evan. I
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: mean you didn't see this coming. What do you mean
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't see this coming? Like you didn't see like well,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: I mean the report if it's true, and when I
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: if mac is being traded or whatever the case may be.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: My thing was, you know when he crossed that mind,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: I knew it. Man. I just build when you don't,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: when you ain't paid for to build, this is what
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: you get. I'm not surprised. I'm just I'm totally not
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna be surprised. But are you happy
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: with it? Yeah? And there's a difference between thank you no,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: because then we ain't got a quarter bit. No. But
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I mean you could say that you're not surprised because
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: but like, is that the proper reaction from a coach? No?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: But I mean but it was No, it's not No,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: it's I'm not happy about it. That's if that's time
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: downding to you, Paul. It's just the fact I knew
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: it though, you know what I mean, I knew since
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: since Mac trying to get information outside that organization. I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: knew somewhere was going to happen. That's it. I didn't.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't push it as much. I just said a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: little bit to Paton. I said, I wouldn't be supplied
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: if Mac Jones get traded, and man, look, look divorce
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: were coming out. I don't think any of us are surprised. No.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I think we actually talked about it in January when
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I think there was that room around the Senior Bowl
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: that that the Raiders might be potentially interesting. I mean, like,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: I think that it's obvious the reasons or the I
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: don't think there's any shock factor in this report this morning.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: I just think there's, from my point of view, disappointment
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: that this is this is what we're doing, and this
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: is how we're handling the situation. If it is true,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously, So what can I tell you what next? Okay,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: what's next? Kendrick Bourne might be next? You mean in
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: terms of being traded. Buddies out the door. Yeah, you
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: don't see it. Oh, Hunter, Henry still Hill, James Andrews
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: still here? Who Andrews Hunter, Henry Hunt anyway? I mean yeah,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I mean I'm just going about well his like Damian Harris,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Jakobe Meyers Mac now for some read but whatever. I
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: hope that don't happen, but yeah, because I mean he
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: goes to where else people have success and where I'm
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: guaranteed who is this? And I don't I don't know.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: I'm just I don't know if the thing is faull no, Mike,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: he mean, I just don't know what to think about
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: the team at this point. I'm just I'm my hands
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: was up in the air with it, like you know.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, William, thanks for the car, appreciate it.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Todd and Greenville. What's up Todd? Hello?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Hello Todd? You guys here, you guys? Hello? Hear me? Yes,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: hello Todd speak Sorry in the car. Car doesn't work. Well,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: it's old like me. Okay. So I went to university
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: with this buddy of mine who's a big guts fan,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: and I've convinced him a while back to listen to
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: your show. Story. Excellent. Well, here's the here's the moral.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Of the story. We're now the Jets unfiltered. We have
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: all the Jets problems, controversy with coaches, controversy with the players,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: players not all buying in, everything going sideways. I think
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: it does. Mister Kraft's gonna have to step in and say, hey, guys,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: you know that, Uh, that's got to stop. I think
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: it's got to come from him. I think the next
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: step right now, or mister Kraft doing intervention and before
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: the season starts. Well, we'll see Ian, Thanks Todd. I
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: I hope Bill doesn't need Robert Kraft to do that,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I hope Bill does it himself. You know.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Nash in Montana. What's up, Nash. Yeah,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: it's going guys. Good. Hey, Hey, my my opinion on
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: this either way, I think it's time to wash your hands.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: And we got a few more years of Bill, and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: you can either run for a couple of years with
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: a disgruntled QV or a fifty year option, or just
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: get what you can now only still a little bit unknown,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: gather some picks back and you can do one or
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: two things. You can go out and get something like
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Hooker and play it young for a little bit, or
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: go get a gap and get a veteran for the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: next cup of little bits? Who would you get? But
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, what could you get? I mean, you really
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: want to screw the Jets over toss that fourteen pick over,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: But I doubt that time they go. But I'd say,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: let's say if you could get if you can get
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: sixteen from Washington, swore Max and you toss in a
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: third rounder. You know, I don't know Washington's gonna give
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: us their sixteenth pick for mac Jones if you tossed
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: in the third round and we give them a third rounder,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: no chance they're not gonna do it. Maybe not. But
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: if you can scape for second round pick back, I'd say,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: pulled the tree. Disgruntled, We'll just wash your hands and
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: hope for the best next year. Yeah. No, I get
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: your point, like, it doesn't matter if you you know,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: like you make the trade because you feel like there's
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: no chance it works if he's not on board, right,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: he's disgruntled to use Nash's word, So you make the trade.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: And then even if you have to plug in Bailey
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Zappy and play the whole year with Zappy because you
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: don't have any other options. I'm not there. I want
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: to see. As much as I criticize Mac Jones, I
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: would like to see Bill O'Brien year three Mac Jones
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: and see if it, you know, looks better than the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: rookie year. Yes, I don't need it too. I don't
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: want it to look like it looked rookie year. I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: needed to be significantly better than that, yes, and I
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: want to see if it does. Especially if it does,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: then I think you can, you know, move forward. Like
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: the overall passing statistics from last year's Patriots team to
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: rookie year very similar. Now, the offense was not anywhere
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: near as good. The red zone is the most glaring example.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: They were the worst red zone team in football last year. Um,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: I think Harris had like fifteen rushing touchdowns in twenty one.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: They didn't have that. They didn't have anything like that.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: So but if you combined mac Jones and Zappi from
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: last year to mac jones rookie year, it's not all
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: that different. It's not all that the numbers. That's why
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I say mac Jones needs to be a lot better
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: than he was not last year. That's obvious. He needs
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: to be better than he was his rookie year, if
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: he's a third year guy that you're looking to invest
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: in going forward. I can't get I can't get Aaron
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Rodgers out of my head right now. And you said
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: at the top of the show, no you did. I mean,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: I mean in a like there's just something about that,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Like I always believe that Bill is intrigued by give
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: you a generation. Probably not, but let's have a little fun.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: I just I could see him being intrigued by him.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: And where I mean, it's just where's Bill now? He's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: towards the end of his career. Shouldn't he be making
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: a move like that, Like, like if you were really thinking, like, man,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: I got I don't have a lot of time left.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want to spend that's a guy like I think.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: That's the thing about this entire offseason that I just
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: can't wrap my head around is I don't necessarily think
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: that this is a terrible path to take in terms
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: of a long term rebuild. But your coach is seventy
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: years old, So like what's if you draft? If you
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: if you go to the draft and you say we
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: got to build through the draft and got to do
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: it that way. I agree with all of those philosophies.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's the right way of doing it. But
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: those players are not going to step up into roles
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: where their star players leading this organization for another two years,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: especially from this draft class. So like, how does that
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: fit the Bill Belichick timeline and every one of these
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: other stories that comes out about like trying to trade
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones, it just feels like you're continuing to kick
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: the can down the road, Like it's like, well, probably
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: not Mac. I don't like you don't have all this time.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: There's no real like sense of urgency. It just feels
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: it's like no, you know, absolutely, it feels like a
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: coach that is sixty not seventy, and is like I
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: got another five at least five to ten years of
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: doing this and I'm going to build it long term
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: for long, long term sustain ability. But that's not the
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: world that that he's in. So I just from that
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: timeline and that that aspect, like, how is Aaron Rodgers
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: not a conversation? Right? How is Lamar Jackson not a
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: conversation that they're having. How are any of these things
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: not conversations? How is DeAndre Hopkins not a conversation that apparently,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: according to every single report. They're basically out on unless
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: I can get him for free, which is not happening. Well,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: I heard now he might get released, not Hopkins. I'm sorry,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, No Hopkins, Hopkins, I'm right, right, right, yeah,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Hopkins might get released and that right, Yeah, there's no
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I'm with Evan. I think that lessens the chances that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: you have of getting it because not more competition, now
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: you have to win a bidding war, yeah, or just
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: I personally think that Hopkins is the best thing for
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: his career. Does go to Kansas City, win a Super
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Bowl at Patrick Mahomes and then maybe hopefully next year
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: someone had the whole thing mapped out. Patriots have more
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: financial flexibility than can't. Evan had a perfect like in
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: just from Afar. That screams a short term incentive laden contender. Right, yeah,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: why would you do it? Now? You know this stuff
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: with Buffalo with you? A guy won't go away too.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs Mike's favorite wide receiver, the worst he keeps
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: sort of. Yeah, that's why I hate social media, Like
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: these cryptic tweets that people are supposed to try to interpret,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: you know, now, I saw like watching the NFL Show
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: on NFL Network. The Giant should make a push for
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs. Yeah, sure. I think there's probably twenty five
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: teams that should be making a push to get Diggs
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: if he's really available, But that that would be the
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: first thing to me that would chip away from Buffalo.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Buffalo picked up Tremaine Edmonds. Fine, they triggered something in
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: his contract where trading him or releasing him is basically
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: out of the question financially. Okay, So he want more money,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: ain't going anywhere? Yeah? His day? Yeah, so I think
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: they converted a bonus or something like that that he's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: now got like a he's just playing it or something. Yeah, okay,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I think So let's go to um Eldred in North Carolina.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: What's up, Eldred? Hey, So, looks how y'all doing to day? God? Ye, yes,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: two things, bro oh uh? Not having faith with Beal?
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I ain't had faith in two thousand and sixteen? Yeah,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: I'm on that. What was the date? What was the
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: date of that, Eldred? Did you lose lose faith in
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: November of sixteen? Oh? Did they win the Super Bowl sixteen?
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: The Super Bowl? But he's doing it's doing the draft time.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh okay, God be right there that we
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: need do you trade pick? Did Bartimore get like Lamar
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Obama or man middle Stola get whatever? And then we
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: just leave out then when he'd talk good stuff about
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: the guys that you should have drafted, that you planned against,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: that you can't cover, you know, So that's you know
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: that like that gm ys note, you know, And I
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: keep staying. Everybody get mad at me. You're the greatest
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: coach with number twelve ruggers speaking by his stuff without quill.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know, every every good coach got a
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: good plan, a good scheme, but you gotta have the
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: means to do it. If you don't have demand to
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: do it, you're just a coach hold of the clipboard.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: And I hate this with Mac. I'm not a map supporter,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: you know, but we got it. I think they didn't
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: wrong last year, and they should give me a chance
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: to make it better. As you I'd be just grown
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: on two, especially when you're messing with my career, just
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: like you did Win. You screwed Win, you know, and
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: nobody nobody talking about that part. You screwed Win. Yes,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: you flim on the right side. To the love by
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: well get his money. Yet you didn't get his money,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: and he's still sitting there in free agent because nobody
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: won't touch him with a jim for the pole. You
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: missed that guy's cut, You missed that guy's career up.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know they're just pour Gmmon and Evan Well,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: I just agree with you on it's Quintin Johnson. We're
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: gonna buy that. Oh he loves us. Johnson's kind of
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: if he go to Buffalo like like they predicted with Thigs,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: even though dig a little just fruntal. Now you got
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: two guys you gotta worry about besides David and I'll
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: see what you're saying. Uh, Evan most catches. I see
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: him when he downfield. Hey, he buys himself, so he
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: is catching like that. But when with somebody us his hand,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: most of them because I've been watching him for a minute,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: you know. And like I said, he got speed. He's
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: better than Harry, a whole lot better than Harry. He's
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: better than you know. I'll give you that. He's a
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: better prospect, way better and got a better process speed
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: and he run any run route. He's just not a
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: go guy like everybody thought d K would like I
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: told you DK's running four route creak and he's the
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: same way. You know, the difference between Quintin john and
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: DK is about two tenths of a second on a
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: forty yard Dad, you know what the different No, No,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: the biggest had You're like braid. He got made because
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: everybody would buy him. So he played with a chip
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: on the show. That's the problem. Eldred is the wide receiver.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say the difference between Eldred and one
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: receiver and another is nothing because he loves them all
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: wide receiver whisperer. I A DK is a side pork, right,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: he ran like like two twenty five. The guy ran
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: a four three. Okay, Quinn Johnson on a hand time
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: at his pro day just run ran a four to
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: five two. I'm telling you that if you put them
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: next to each other, the compared the athletic profile. DK
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: metcalf is better than Kennel Harry and you're an idiot
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: than favorite line elfrom Wisconsin. Uh. If I'm Mac and
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: I played great this year, I tell the team to
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: go pounce in. Yeah, I want to play elsewhere. I'm
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: not a Mac guy, but this team is running a
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: clinic on how to ruin a young player. I largely
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: agree with that, and I keep saying these things like,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I always preface out like I've been pretty
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: critical of Mac. I just don't think he's been treated fairly. Yeah,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like you can think that he's not good enough,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: and that's fine. That puts him in the laundry list
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: of guys that weren't quite good enough. But I don't
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: think anybody deserves this. Zach says he's from zak Is
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: in Zummerville. Do you think Bill's comments to the media
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: at the owner's meeting reflects his pettiness toward Mac Jones.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Bill is thinking that because Mac did
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: not show loyalty to the team and went around asking
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: for help, Bill won't show any loyalty to Mac when
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: asked about the QB position. I think that might be personally.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I think that could be it personally. I don't care
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: about the drama, really, I just want to watch a
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Bowl offense. I think that is what it is. I
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: think he hit the nail on the head. Move on,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be loyal to this guy. I think
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: was it that he showed no loyalty to me. Was
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: it the season ending conference where he said, Matt him
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: play in this league, You've got to do a better job.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: I mean that that was the day after that to me.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I mean he kind of doubled down on it last week.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: That was last week you were in at Arizona, right, Yeah.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: I mean it's just a contrast to that press conference
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: he had before the training camp last year, where it was,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: you know, doing all the right things, sounded like everything
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: was on track, and Evan's um Evan's Bill as the
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: offensive coach thing. I just wonder if he is still
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: not really caught up to the change of just offense
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: in general, not even like schemes, because like Evan you said,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: you still have a lot of faith in him defensively.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: I think that largely goes back to his ability to
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: scheme a defense and try to slow down an offense.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: I think his sort of prototypical players haven't really changed
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: and the game has changed dramatically, and I think that's
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: part of the problem. And I think he you know, Fred,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: remember like a month ago, you had your whole thing
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: with wide receivers. Bill doesn't believe in at diva kind
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: of like, yep, I think it's great if you have
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: this philosophy that you've always had and had a lot
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: of success with, obviously, but it doesn't mean it's always
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: going to be right and it's always going to stay
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: that way. I just wonder if you know his idea
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: of taking you know, build from the line in. You know,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take guards and franchise them, take another one
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: in the first round, and we're gonna you know, not
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna necessarily go for Stefan Digs on the
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: outside or Jamar Chase. Now. We're just gonna get a
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: bunch of guys that are well smaller versions of that volume.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have three four. We don't we don't believe
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: in a number one receiver, I know, But I just
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: I wonder if maybe his philosophy has kind of gone
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: like a couple a couple of points I'd like to
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: touch on. It's just that, you know, first of all,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: I just know he goes to so many college pro
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: days and he talks to so many college coaches that
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: I just I don't see how he can't be aware
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: of the direction of modern NFL offense now and the
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: other side of the ball. He seems to fully grasp
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: all these things, Like defensively he seems maybe not lately,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: but he seemed to grasp it. You need a number
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: one corner that you need to kind of invest in
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: a guy like Matthew Judon if you don't have one,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: and the way that their defense plays schematically, every team
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: in the league talks about how challenging it is. You
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: don't know what you're gonna get, you know, just simply
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: buy their scheme. They're able to make things difficult for
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: an offensive. Why can't they do that? Judon is a
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: great a great example of what I'm talking about. I
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: think Judean is kind of a departure so way he
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: used to do things. He didn't used to think that
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: like well you need to have that one like dominant
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: edge guy, like we're gonna scheme up pressure, we're gonna
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: get sacks are overrated. And I do think that was
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: kind of a good thing that he is sort of
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: you know, like Kyle van Noy snarky, you know about,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: well if we all got to do that, well, because
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Bill never used to do that. I think he did
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: show a little flexibility and letting Judon just sort of
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: go after the patterer, and he absolutely did it with
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: Ouja down the stretch last year. He never was Yes,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: he couldn't even get on the field because that's all
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: he can do, right And now I think Bill is
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: sort of opening his mind a little bit defensively. I'd
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: like to see him do more of it. I always
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: look at defensively the safeties like Bill. I personally think
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: that Bill invented the money backer, the safety slash linebacker
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: hybrid position. When Patrick Chung came back the second time,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: I think Bill invented a position and he put Patrick
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Chung in the box, played him basically as a strong
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: side linebacker, which nobody was doing. Searched and searched for
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: that kind of a guy. Adrian Wilson, Tank Williams, there
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: was another guy that I can't remembered. They kept looking
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: for guys like that that would kind of hybrid linebacker
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: safety types and could do a lot of different things.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: And I agree with with Evan, he's finally you know,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Chung was the guy the second time around. Yeah, he
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: found a role for and he's done it with Dugger,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: He's done it with Adrian Philip to a lesser extent, yeah,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I just think do you
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: think flexibility, Yeah, Steve Belichick could be a positive influence
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: on Bill, Like maybe he's not listening to Steve and
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I mean I think that defensively,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: I just have no concerns over them innovating, of them
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: staying ahead of the curve and all those types of things,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: because they they they've done it. I think in the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: last couple of years they've been a little bit more
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: into too high, they've been into a little bit more
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: of zone. Just statistically speaking, they play a lot more
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: zone now because they have to then they played three
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: or four years ago. I think they would anyways, because
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: that's the game. You know, you don't really you can't
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: sit in man to man coverage all day against quarterbacks
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: and receivers like this, you're gonna get burned, right, But
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: if you can play Zoe, I mean, if you can
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: play man, you play man. The differences is that when
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: you put the chips in the middle, it's third and
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: seven and you absolutely need to stop. They still would
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: rather play man. They still play man on third down
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: more than they play zone. But first and second down
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: man and you get out there, and you're facing Tyree
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: Hill and Jalen Waddle and all these receivers, you know,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: digs Like, you can't just play man for four straight
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: quarters anymore. It's hard to do that against the mobile quarterbacks,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: which there are more and more of now too. They've
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: evolved a little just a little little nugget would have
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: passed along by our own Alex Francisco um via Oliver Thomas,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: who's a writer for Pat's Pulpit. Uh, that's right, I
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: snuck that in there. Danny Amendola, Danny Amendola is joining
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: the Raiders coaching staff as a coaching assistant, slash Cher. Really,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: that's what that's what we get from you, your types types. Yeah,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: that's a nugget get fresh off his reality show. But
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Danny Amendola is like a good example where I wanted
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: to go with this on offense. I think some of
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Bill's old school thinking on offense comes out with receivers
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: where he feels like Danny Amendola's or a diame a dozen, Right,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: I can go and find the slot receiver Jakobe Meyers,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Wes Welker, Like I don't need
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: to spend on that. But the guys that I want
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: to spend capital on are these specimens, right the kill
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Harry's that even like a guy like DeVante Parker, and
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: I'm so surprised that size and speed are things that
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: he seems to gravitate towards. And this is you know,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: with Quintin Johnson, it's the same thing where not only
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: has quickness and separation abilities succeeded in this offense more
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: than size, but also just looking from translating from the
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: college game to the pro game, separation translates much better
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: than the than size does, right, you know, in terms
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: of getting open route running things like that, those guys
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: tend to translate a lot easier to the NFL. So
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just if they go receiver early in this draft
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: and it's Quintin Johnson overs A Flowers and Addison and
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: JSN that that's not where the league is going. The
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: league is going towards separation, speed, separation running, and these
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: other guys that they've seemed to be interested in the
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: last couple of years are not that. And I just
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: that's a part of it that I really just don't understand.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: How I feel like there's a blinder on to that
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. Well, Evan. Along those lines, Adam Schefter
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: is reporting that Zay Flowers will visit the Patriots tomorrow
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: and he will also attend the draft. That's just tweeted
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: out by Adam Schefter. So okay, be on the lookout tomorrow,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: say Flowers in the building. Don't get me excited out
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: there waiting in the bushes for him, remember me, Scott,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: and Virginia writes in let's just assume the reports about
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: shopping Mac or true. Is it reasonable to connect the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: dots of letting Myers and Damian Harris walk to possibly
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: trading Mac if Bill wants to start fresh or move
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: on to Zappy moving on from Max too big a
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: supporters seemed to make some sense. Keeping them and trading
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Mac opens up more criticism intention from inside the locker room.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I just I get it
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: a little bit. But I also don't think surprising that
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Damian Harris walked, and I think Jacoby Myers was kind
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: of a coin flip. It didn't feel like they purpose.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: I would say like we had either an email or
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: a caller earlier suggest that was Damian Harris a big
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Mac guy. I know they had the Alabama thing, but like,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: I don't remember him being outspoken last year. I remember Myers,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: I remember Born, I remember Andrews, and I remember Henry.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Damian Harris and Mac Jones are best friends. Okay, off
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: the field. I'm not saying that Damian Harris was vouching
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: for him or anything like that, but off the field,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: day are very close. I just didn't remember anything other
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: than annoying barking from Damian Harris all last year. He
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: would just he's got that dog when people are trying
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: to talk to the people in Buffalo really liked that.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Neil and new Brunswick. This take has nothing to do
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: with whether Mac is a good player or not. It's
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: to do with defending the player because I like everyone else.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Because like everyone else, I don't know. These guys work
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: their entire teenage life to go to a big time college.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: They get a chance to be drafted to the NFL
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: and then get three years to prove their worth being
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: paid life changing money. Mac had a decent rookie year.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: Then in year two, Patricia and Judge both failed head
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: coaches with no offensive experience. That was a major, major
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: blow to his chances of earning that money. So if
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: it was any of us, how would we feel we'd
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: be frustrated in acting out too. Honestly, I hope they
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: trade the kid and he succeeds somewhere else. It's time
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: to move on from Bill. It's that simple. Thanks for
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: the memories, but I just can't put up with him
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: as below five hundred without Tom for the past thirty years,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: Tom for past thirty years coach GM. I don't know
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: what that ending it means, but okay, it means Belichick
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: is under five hundred over the past thirty years when
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have. It's not that hard. It's not written well,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: so yeah, well and over when someone says that, no, no, no,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: well and and over says I'm getting frustrated with the
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: more Mac and Belichick news. There's a nessa report about
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: how howire like Mac was against the coaching system last
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: year we caught, We talked about that. I like Mac,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: but I'm tired of this Bill over his quarterback drama.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: If Bill doesn't want Mac, I'd rather Bill just move
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: on now rather than drag out this petty fight through
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: the offseason. Might be either get Lamar or extend zappy
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: on a Daniel Jones extend zappy. Yeah, hell no. First
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: of all, you're not even allowed to do that. He's
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: only in the year league one year. He can't extend
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: his contract yet. Oh boy, let's go back to the phones.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: AJ's in the Bay Area. He was in the Bay
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: Area and now he's gone. Alex is in New Jersey
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: or No Jersey City. What's up Alex which is in Jurse?
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: Hey guys, I think Evan just hit the you know,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: head on the mail right there. With wide receivers, even
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: though I love like the six foot t two hundred
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: pounds type of receivers, I think the NFL is kind
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: of translating more into those field structures, those separators, um
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: you knowing act to that playoff game against the Bills.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, johsh Allen could throw a deep, but they
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: were killing us with the crosss and we couldn't really
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: contain it. They're just, you know, all speed, all separation.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: I'm in love with Say Flowers. I watched a couple
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: of games to him when he was in Boston College.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: But I think first rounds a bit too rich for me,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: you know, since he is a little undersized maybe if
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: we can get like a discount on that, like Josh Downs,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: Marvin Mims. I was just wondering what you guys were thinking,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: especially in the day two, day three type separators draft.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Save Flowers. Yeah, period, Thanks Alex. I love Josh Jones too,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: So I just know in your mind, Dave Flowers is
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: the best receiver available. I take him at fourteen if
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: you run the card up right now. And that's I mean,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: obviously that's Evan's feel, and I'm fine with that. But
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: my thing is, if you think that Zay Flowers is
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: really good, like I love Zay Flowers, why wouldn't you
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: want to take him well? Like why is fourteen to like?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Then you don't love him right? And I'm okay, listen,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not telling you you're wrong. I don't evaluate these
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: guys like I'm not an NFL scout. I can't tell
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: you no, no, no no, no, not fourteen. He's more on
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: the twenty eight round. Like I don't know. But if
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: you love a guy, if you think he's gonna be
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: a great player for your team, take him at fourteen.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Take him at fourteen. You have a great player on
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: your team that you love, right, Like why wouldn't you.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: You know, you did it with close Strange, so instead
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: you're gonna say yeah and listen, obviously, that's in, you know,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: a big difference. That's a guy that you arguably could
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: have gotten three or four rounds later as opposed to
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: ten picks later. Love him, you know, you know, let's
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: trade down so we can get Zay Flowers at twenty.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: You for that a million times, right, right, right, Like
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: what's the difference? Yeah, I love the guy. I want him.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure I get him because I
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: love him. Like, that's what I would want to do
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: if Zay Flowers is the guy. And I respect Evan's
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: opinion watches this stuff more than I do. So I
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: just don't understand why the thought would be, I love
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: that guy, but too rich for my blood. Let's wait
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: till the cut rate version of z Flowers is available
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: at the end of round three. Yeah, Like I don't
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not picking on the call. A lot of people
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: say those things, so it's like, you know, you got
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: to win the contract. Like I get why the team
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: does that. It's in the team's interest. They have a
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: financial stake at this stuff. But like, I don't know
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: why any fan would ever say I'd like Aaron Rodgers
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: for two years, but not a fifty nine million. That's
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: too rich for I don't have that ton of money
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: right now. I'll never understand that. And I would say
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: I am in a vast minority of fans. You don't
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: care about the value it. Yeah, you're going out to
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: buy a car, and you know this car is really expensive,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: but it you know, maybe I can get you know,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: something similar but a less price. But that expensive car
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: is gonna last you for ten years or if it's
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: the one that you really want right now, if you
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: could afford it, you get it. If you can't, obviously
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: you don't know, like there's a million cars I can't afford,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: right Yeah, because you but I mean that's that's that's different.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: That's not a fire. Actually, I totally, I totally get
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: your point. I also just think though, there is a
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: little bit of nuance that I would consider of you know,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: do you want Zay Flowers and Matthew bergeron or do
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: you want Paris Johnson and Josh Downs. I mean, those
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: are just so I know, it's different from where you're saying.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: That's where my head come That's exactly the same if
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: you think I really love Paris Johnson, Like, okay, it's
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: the same thing. I can make an argument how many
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: times I make the joke you stack the board vertically
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: and horizontally, like you have to make those decisions as
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: to is the tackle more important than the wide receiver?
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: And with so many holes that they have, you know,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's just where I'm totally fun. I'm
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: totally fine. Comes in for me is that I think
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: Zay is probably going to go somewhere in the twenty
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: to twenty five range in this draft. And so if
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: I can trade down to twenty and still get Zay
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: and then add a Day two picks, so that because
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: now you're not getting the premium tackle, right, So you're
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: not getting Paris Johnson. So now I have to throw
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: more darts at tackle because I need to. You know,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: it's bad. That's a little different too, because now you're
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: trading down to still get the same guy that you love,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to add a pick to get something
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: else that I need, right, which is like different than
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna not take that guy at fourteen because
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: I can get a cut rate version of that guy
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: at forty six. Back to your main point, though, if
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: you think that Zay Flowers is a game changer, don't
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: risk it, Like if you really think it. I don't
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: think they're at the point right now where maybe in
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: the past they could have said, let's see, maybe he's
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: not there, but we can afford to take this chance
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: right now. To me, you trade down when there's a
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: group of players you love equally and you know I'll
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: get at least one of them, you know, But if
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: there's that one guy that you really love you can't afford.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: I think you trade down because you're looking to get
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: more picks. Yeah, that would be the only reason why
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: I would trade down, says the best playmaker in the draft,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: so like three level playmaker. And obviously everybody would sit
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: there and say, well, obviously I wouldn't love to have
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: more picks too, But you have to weigh it. Do
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: you want the player that is available more than the
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: extra picks? Yeah? I don't like the idea. I went
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: on that rant a couple of weeks ago. I players
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: are never the same. I don't like the whole There's
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: a group of five, and I'll be happy with any
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: of them. No, No, one of those guys you like,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: But why why is that imposs one of those guys
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: you like more? You stack the board like one of
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: those guys just better than the others. So Zay Flowers
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: versus Josh Down's not close to me, it's it's it's
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Za and the reason being is that Zay is just
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: so much better after the catch than they both. They
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: both have the vertical route running ability and the separation
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: ability underneath. But one of them is an absolute game
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: breaker with the ball in the hands and the other
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: one isn't. And that's a So that's a different but
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: I don't I could be more persuaded into a Zay
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: Flowers versus Jordan Addison debate where if you trade down
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: and you end up with one of those two guys,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: now maybe we're talking more in the same the same
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: tier of players. Sure, And if you want to say
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to trade down because I want to get
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: the picks, that's more important to me. And I've you know,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: done my research, because these guys obviously have an idea
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: how the board's going to unfold. I think there's a
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: better than average chance that I still get the guy
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: I was going to take at fourteen. Now what frustrates
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: me is every time they trade down, they always leak
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: it out there that that's the guy they wanted. They
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: were going to take him at fourteen anyway. They said
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: it last year. Yeah, they were going to take Cold
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Strange at twenty one, you know, like they didn't. I
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: shouldn't say they said it. That's not fair. They didn't
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: say it. They had others say it for him. Brian
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: in the Bay Area, is it possible that mac mac
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: has asked for a trade and that's why he's being shopped.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: It's possible. Sure, I don't know. That's stretched well, I
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: think that's bigger news. If I was a reporter who
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: wanted to get a scoop like Bill Belichick tried versus
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: mac Jones wants, I would think. I don't think you
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: would sit on the mac Jones wants a trade. I
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: also think if mac Jones requested a trade, you'd have
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: heard about it. Yea, it would have come. It would
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: have come from his agent, his guy, George. And Marylyn
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: writes in I've always kept in the back of my
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: mind the fall of the Steelers back in the day
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: when the game passed Chuck no By and he still
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: continued to coach. I've always prayed that this wouldn't happen
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: with coach Belichick, but the backdrop seems eerily familiar. Let
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: me know what you think. I mean, those were some
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: awful Steelers teams. I'm not familiar with the Steelers history
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: as much. I'm gonna look it up. Well, they got
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: into like that quarterback thing where it was Mark Malone
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: and until they got Roethlisberger, you know, yeah, but in
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: between they went to super Bowls with Jags like Neil
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: O'donaldhil o'donald. Chuck Carrie in England says, I am one
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: of the max super fans you speak of. Get Bill out.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: It's time for him to go and mister Kraft to
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: step in and do the right thing. Enough is enough.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: I'm fuming. I'm so sorry, mack on behalf of Patriot's Nation.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: The treatment is disgusting. Yes, Chuck Noll absolutely would be
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: a comp It's so I want to say in eighty
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: four they went to the playoffs, but it's nine and seven,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: seven and nine, and six and ten, eight and seven,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: five and eleven, nine and seven, nine and seven, seven
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: and nine, Like that's what they're it's about half the time,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: is that? But that's what you're in the middle of
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: right now, just sort of a relative mediocrity. I wonder
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: what the finger pointing was there. I mean it was it, Oh,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: he didn't have Bradshaw or he didn't have the steel
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: curtain defense. But obviously they didn't replace because they had
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: how many of those? Um? Is that later? Later? What
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: free agency? Well, this was not free agency. But this
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: is my my contention. You'll probably we could probably get
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: in a good fight about this, because I stand alone
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: on an island. I think it was much harder to
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: build a team than it is now. All all you
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: have to do is go out and sign whatever you want. Um.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: They only had one way really to get a player
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: back then, and that was to draft. And now, to
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: the Steelers credit, they had arguably the greatest single draft
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: in NFL history, and I think seventy four when they
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: drafted like five Hall of famers. Yeah, Steelers, hall of famers. Anybody,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: anybody that needed something and you were really good, but
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: you needed like that one piece, you couldn't get it
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: anywhere but the draft. Now you just signed it. That
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: that's fair, But you could also keep guys right now.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: That's that's the thing. You're allowed to keep guys now too.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: It's easier to keep guys. There was no competition to
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: keep them back then, right, I mean there's no free agency,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: so you couldn't you couldn't lose anybody. Stay with us,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: or you want to stop playing football, right, Yeah, I
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: think it's I think there's but you have the choice
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: to keep the guy. All you have to do is
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: pay them. Yeah. Now, the players had a lot less
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: mobility back then, yes, or no, there was a lot
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: less mobility. Yeah, players, So if you didn't have anything,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: you couldn't get it. No, But players have options now
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: they didn't back then. You know you were, Yes, you
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: were more under the control of the team back correct.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: That's why it's easier to build a team. Now there's
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: mobility you're making you're making, my poet. But it's but
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: also like it's hard, it's hard to harder to retain
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: guys too. So I think there's a given take there.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: I think you could make the case on both sides.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: If you're a if you're you know, if you're a
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: have team, then you're probably right, Paul. But if you're
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the small market teams. Back then
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: you were you were in a bind, and it's gonna
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: be as a free agent, and even even if you
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: love where you're at, I'd like to go on the
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: open market and see what I'm worth to see what's
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: somebody wants to pay me. Why not, you know, find out, Yeah,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: maybe somebody surprises you. But I real quick, I was
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: kind of think when you were talking, what do you
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: think it's like in the like Patriots, NFL like draft rooms,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Because it's funny like going through this experience with you
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: now and you get like very extreme on people suddenly,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: like do you think they do too? Because I do too.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: Like you get attached to guys and you kind of
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: like you're like, god, I love this guy. Like, and
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: I always tell people like, don't get attached the draft picks,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: as they could just as easily end up on the
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: jets of the Dolphins. You know. Um, But you know,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: I just I wonder what it's like when you're actually
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: really doing it and your opinion counts for a lot.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: And I have to like pound the tables that I'm
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: not saying that the stories are necessarily here, but from
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: the stories that I have heard there are legitimate fights
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: where people need to be almost broken up. And I'm
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: not talking about on draft night. I'm talking about before then,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: when they're stacking, when they're stacking the guy. Yeah, agree, literally,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: I will fight. There's an area scout that's only works
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: in the Northeast, so he's watched every single game Zay
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Flowers has ever played. And the guy that covers you know,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: the PAC twelve out west is telling him that Jordan
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Addison's the guy, and he's saying that it's a oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Those meetings go all night, you know, back and forth,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: just like me and Barnes text messages about these things.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Franklin and Baltimore writes it, I'm kind of shocked that
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: others seem to be shocked about their being friction between
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: Bill and Mack. If there's one thing that has consistent
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: of Bill's time time and again is that he doesn't
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: have the patience for people who bucked the program or
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: system in any fashion, dating all the way back to
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: lawyer malloy the moment there were reports during last year's
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: training camp Mac having trouble buying in The writing was
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: on the wall for this to happen. This is also
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: part of the reason I'm warming up to potentially moving
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: on from Bill not because of the Max situations, specifically
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: because I feel like he'll run into these problems much
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: more frequently now than he did with the Pass. Given
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: the difference in attitudes of young players coming into the league.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: They're not going to stand to accept any type of
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: coaching when they're getting professional level development in college. Wow.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: Has really nothing to do with the the gist of
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: the story, other than I would say I don't think
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: anybody is surprised to be reading about friction between guys
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: who have kind of been openly bickering with one another
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: for the better part of two years, Robert Craft and
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: Bill Belich. I'm just surprised. The second thing is, what
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: exactly did lawyer Malloyd do that that showed disloyalty? You
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: want him more money? He did, didn't take a pay cut? Yes,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: that was what he did. Yeah, he didn't do anything. Yeah,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: that was more. I think his agent kind of sealed
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: that one. No, he wanted they wanted to give him
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: a pay cut. He said, no, Yeah, it happens all
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: the time, Danny Amndola. They wanted to give a pay cut.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: He kept taking it, and he stayed like, it's up
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: to you. What's up to the player, right, But some
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: some can do anything wrong. Some guys they asked to
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: take a pay cut, they say no, and they go
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: and make more money somewhere else, like William Malloyd did.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: Or they say okay, and they move on to the
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: next player to try to get him the paycut. They
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily get rid of them, not all the time.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: They don't always get rid of the guy that says
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: no to taking a pay cut. But what did he
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: do wrong? As my point, I don't know. Okay, but
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: you said the agent gave him bad advice. You were like,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: we're all over the map with that. Well remember too much, Sally.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: It became like you don't have to get cut the guy.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: I remember that time. I remember at the time the
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: agent wouldn't even talk like about a pay cut. They
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: were trying to get him to take a pay cut
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: for months. I don't know the details. I mean, you're
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: you're hearing one side of the story. Can I say
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: something about the draft before we lap up there? So
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: I think that we're in We're in smoke Screen season, right,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: We're in Lion season, right? Now. But the one thing
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: that I always look at with the Patriots and the
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: lead up to the draft that I think is compelling
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: right now is they might not tell you. They certainly
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: won't tell you who they're drafting, but their visits and
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: who where they go and who they're talking to usually
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: gravitates towards the position groups that they're really focused on
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: doing their homework on, and if they have met with
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: every single wide receiver at the top of the draft
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: multiple times at this point, Flowers now coming in for
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: a visit after being at the Shrine Bowl, Johnston at
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: the TCU Pro Day, j and sanat Ohio State in
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: the combine. Jordan Addison's coming in tomorrow for his top
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: thirty visit. So they are receivers on the board, like
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: they are talking to every single receiver in this draft.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: They've talked to a bunch of the corners and the
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: tackle prospects as well. You know, Cody Mock's coming in.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Manuel Forbes is reportedly coming in for a visit. So
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: I think we're all on the same page even even
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: now about what they need. I mean, right to your point, Evan,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna bring Jordan Addison and Zay Flowers in
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: tomorrow at the same I mean, I don't know the
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: exact same time, but I mean it seems like they're
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: both gonna kind of be here, comparable players, same kind
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: of pick area. And I mean again the TCU thing
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: that stood out to me, both those guys standing right
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: there with him, eyes g talking to him, what he
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: said to you. With the combine, I just I think
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: I think there's something there for sure. In terms of the
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: the receivers. This gives me twenty nineteen vibes all over again.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: Who would be the guy who would be your him Johnston? Yeah,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: Johnson would be my my nikkil Harry of this draft.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: Un Zay is obvious you. Zay is obviously Deebo Samuel
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: in this in this conversation. Um, and I'll I'll say,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Jordan Addison is you guys term Barth ever text like
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: I love Za Flowers more. No, I love Za Flowers more.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: I definitely like Za Flowers more than Barth does. That.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: That's that's definitely my my draft crush. Bars is Dwan
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Jones from Ohio State The Tackle. Yeah, he's this big
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: guys loves that guy. You imagine falling in love with
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: a tackle loves him hand placement and what was it?
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: Hand placement? And see that that kicks? Like did you
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: see that? Did you actually see your son is offensive?
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: Paris Johnson's kick slides that his pro day were absurd.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my goodness, you don't get
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: that because my dorky son, who was an offensive lineman,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: Like when he first started to it in the house,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: he would do that to me all the time. He
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: would walk up and put his hand to my chest
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: the kicks and I would just knock him down. I'll
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: give him the rip in the spin move right, Benn
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: and Brooklyn says, I think all the criticism will Bill
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: the GM are valid, but I have to defend him
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: as a coach. Take a look at the charges Herbert, Bosa, Eckler,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: James and Allen are all better than our guys, yet
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: the team chronically underachieves. Could say the same about that
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: they had that for a year, like are you high?
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: All right? Let him finish fully understood that many of
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: the moves haven't worked out, but Bill has earned more
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: currency even as a GM. In my view, Let's see
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: what happens with the draft remaining free agency. They have
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: another bad season, than maybe it's time. Okay, if somebody
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: has to so one season, somebody has to defend Bill. Yeah,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: I know there's no defenders of Bill out there. Yeah,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you. You must have searched far and wide
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: for that on this show. Oh it seems that way lately. Yeah. Um,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: let's see the Chargers argers like he did, like the
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: cat cow thing on the sideline one at that, just
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: that they draft a quarterback and three years later they
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: were in the playoffs like man underachievers. Cody writes in
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: I just think everyone needs to take a breath. Remember
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: when Julius Peppers was a dune deal. Let's not believe
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: every single thing we read. We had a guy on
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: our show thought he was gonna get signed by the Patriots,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: and that made it a dune deal. Other people did too,
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  Speaker 1: Other people had almighty. I mean, it's not like Victorus
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  Speaker 1: sy isn't plugged in. It's just like revisionist history. Yes
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  Speaker 1: it is actually now. I also now I also feel
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  Speaker 1: that I need to hold Eldred's feet to the fire
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  Speaker 1: a little. Yes, DK Metcalf was a good player. Pat
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  Speaker 1: yourself on the bat. Please keep in mind Eldred also
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  Speaker 1: pounded the table for players like Stefan Hill, Terrence Williams,
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  Speaker 1: Coudaro Patterson. I love Biggie and the passion he brings,
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  Speaker 1: but let's not act like he's flawless. Terrence Williams was
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  Speaker 1: a good player. Okay, you mentioned Cordarrel Patterson. To me
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  Speaker 1: about Quentin Johnston, He's not even as fast as Cordarill Patterson.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that that's not a bad comparison in
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: terms of playing style. I think those two guys have
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: some over But Cordaryl Patterson, like you could say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he's not like the elite wide receiver that some
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: people thought he was gonna be. Certainly not what good
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: football player for a long time. Yeah, he's a good fight.
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  Speaker 1: If that was a miss for me in the draft,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm eldred, I'll take that. Yeah. Uh now some
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  Speaker 1: draft style over unders ready, Okay, times we hear rich
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  Speaker 1: eyes and say and there it is thirty one point
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  Speaker 1: five first round only been over. Uh times Patriots double
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  Speaker 1: up on a position one and a hey, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: say over. Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm gonna yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with Paul, You're gonna get two defensive backs, two
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  Speaker 1: offensive linemen something like yeah, absolutely wide receivers drafted Hey
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  Speaker 1: over over Yeah, tackle tackles drafted one and a hay
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  Speaker 1: off the bridge tackles drafted one and the Hey, I'll
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  Speaker 1: take the yeah. Defensive players drafted four and a hay
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  Speaker 1: under Yeah, two or three defensive players and it's eleven picks.
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  Speaker 1: If it's over that I'm gonna I'm also leaving. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the under. That's a good that's a
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: good over under. He set there good trades picks and
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: suicide watch trades after last year, Like I'm not I'm
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: not like these guys. I think the defense needs a
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: lot of help, but I think it's less help than
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: like six and five. Like I think there's more offense.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: Give me. It's a corner and a rotational end. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. Trades picks or players three and a hay
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: over over trades, trades under under three and a hay
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: over under over uh. And finally draft picks. The fans
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: love hey under way over, The fans love yeah, way over.
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  Speaker 1: They'll be like nine out of eleven. Well, big banged,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: you know, man, plush draft. I liked it, like the straw. Yeah,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: I like, I'm the straw. How many times like the
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: head part, the people just shaking their head, Like the
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: head coach claims that the Devin mccordy draft was panned
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: by everybody until I looked up all the grades. But
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: again you're talking media. That cracks me up. Belichick fans
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: all love it, except for the first round pick that
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: could be split. The first round. The first round pick
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: last year was unanimously correct. That's why I said the
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: first round pick sometimes can be can be panned. Running
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  Speaker 1: away from that would be nice to have a guy
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: I liked that on our team. Who is that Garret Wilson? Yeah?
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: Who was he? Running away from jail Mills? It's just
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: a quick clip, all right, what's that like? Running away?
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: All Right? That's it for this show. Yeah, I gotta,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: we gotta. But it was a good show. A lot
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: of lively talk. Thanks. I think it's really intriguing. Yeah,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: just to put im like, I have no idea if
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: there's any validity to it. But it's listen, it's it's
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: not every day that the head coach may be interested
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: in trading the starting quarterback. I'm just I'm finding annoying.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for an actual offseason show where there isn't
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: any actual Patriots football stuff to talk about, because every
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: time there seems like there's something. Don't stop. Yeah, so
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: we can talk about movies and stuff like that, right, all, right,
• 1:55:46
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