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Thanksgiving Murder Mystery: Natalie Woods was murdered, says Natalie’s Bond Girl sister Lana Woods · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph
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  Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Natalie Wood was one of the
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  Speaker 1: most popular sought after actresses in Hollywood This is America
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  Speaker 1: Street Talk. It was Thanksgiving weekend when Would and her
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  Speaker 1: actor husband Robert Wagner, when sailing on their yacht, the Splendor.
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  Speaker 1: They were joined by actor and friend Christopher walk In.
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  Speaker 1: Wagner notified Captain Dennis Davern that Would was not on
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  Speaker 1: board right, so let's turn on the searchlight to see
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  Speaker 1: if we can see her, and he said, no, we
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  Speaker 1: don't want to do that right now. Do you believe
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  Speaker 1: that maybe Robert Wagner has been hiding the real truth
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  Speaker 1: of what happened at night all these years? I fully
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  Speaker 1: believe that we ever seen information which we felt was
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  Speaker 1: substantial enough to make her take another look at this case,
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  Speaker 1: it's old information that was never looked at that should
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  Speaker 1: have been looked at. She died a watery death Hollywood Royalty,
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  Speaker 1: yet her death has never fully been investigated. Still more
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  Speaker 1: questions than answers, And today, thirty six years since the
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  Speaker 1: death of the beautiful Natalie Wood, I, Nancy Grace, This
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  Speaker 1: Is Crime Stories, thank you for being with us. It
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  Speaker 1: was Thanksgiving thirty six years ago that the beautiful Star
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  Speaker 1: apparently drowned. But did she not? According to her closest
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  Speaker 1: blood relative, her sister, Launa Would, a former bond girl
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  Speaker 1: joining me now. Her sister Laana Wood, the director of
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  Speaker 1: the Cold Case Institute Cheryl McCullum and renowned author Marty Ruley,
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  Speaker 1: author of Goodbye Splendor. Goodbye Splendor, refers to the yacht
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  Speaker 1: belonging to Natalie Wood, the last place Natalie slept and
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  Speaker 1: now straight to Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold Case Institute, Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: before we delve into Lawna Wood, who is joining us today,
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  Speaker 1: Natalie's sister has quite a lot of revelations surrounding the
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  Speaker 1: death of her sister. Natalie would first to you, Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: I have never felt any degree of you know, when
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  Speaker 1: we would try case, when we were both duking it
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  Speaker 1: out in the courtroom. You finish the case, you get
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  Speaker 1: a verdict, and you feel a sense of not not
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  Speaker 1: really peace, but like you have achieved something, you did it,
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  Speaker 1: It's done. Next. I've never felt that way about Natalie Would.
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  Speaker 1: I've never felt Okay, now I can go onto the
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  Speaker 1: next case. Something right several things are not right, But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you just get that feeling that it's unsettled. Robert Wagner
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  Speaker 1: changing his story, the ship's captain changing his story, The
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  Speaker 1: evidence that you know, there was some type of struggle
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  Speaker 1: on board, there was some type of fight. Um, the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they did not search for her, even though
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  Speaker 1: he says he did on board, there was evidence that
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  Speaker 1: he did not completely search that boat for her. Well,
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  Speaker 1: what what concerns me is they did not completely search
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  Speaker 1: the boat for her, for the ship and that night,
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  Speaker 1: according to reliable sources, Robert Wagner insisted they not use
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  Speaker 1: the searchlight to try and find his wife out in
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  Speaker 1: the water. I mean, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's start it to get go. Natalie Wood Superstar
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  Speaker 1: was found drowned near her yacht during celebration Thanksgiving. The
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  Speaker 1: cause of death seemed to be apparent that she drowned.
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  Speaker 1: But why was she out in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: ocean all by herself? Why was she was she trying
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  Speaker 1: to escape something that had happened on the boat. This
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  Speaker 1: is a woman, by all accounts, that had a dread fear,
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  Speaker 1: a dread fear of water. In fact, a called fortune
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  Speaker 1: teller had foretold her death by water many years before,
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  Speaker 1: and she had been afraid ever since. She would even
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  Speaker 1: have night terrors about drowning, nightmares about it. She would
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  Speaker 1: not put one little toe out in the ocean. That
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  Speaker 1: just no, that was not gonna happen. And I'm supposed
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  Speaker 1: to believe Cheryl McCollum that she and the husband now
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  Speaker 1: remember he was a TV star, she was the movie star,
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  Speaker 1: and he made comments about it all the time, like
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  Speaker 1: the sources say that, for instance, when they were going
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  Speaker 1: out to dinner, he gave, well, you're the star, Natalie,
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  Speaker 1: you pick where we're going. You know what, I'd want
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  Speaker 1: to slap my husband's sideways if he says something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be thrilled to get to pick where
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  Speaker 1: we were going. So I'd be thrilled if I got
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  Speaker 1: to pick, but not like that, like some side handed,
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  Speaker 1: backhanded insult. At the time, that was a big, big differentiation.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it still is, but whether you're a TV
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  Speaker 1: or a movie star. So he was all like hung
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  Speaker 1: up with that us, so that I'm supposed to believe
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  Speaker 1: that that night they have a fight over her co
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  Speaker 1: star Christopher Walkin, who I love who happens to be
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  Speaker 1: with them on the yacht, and they have a fight
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  Speaker 1: because Ragner is jealous, and he mets admits that, he
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  Speaker 1: admits they have a knockdown drag out. He admits he
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  Speaker 1: breaks a bottle of wine, some glasses or something like
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  Speaker 1: that in his anger, and that she decides that night, Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, because you know the facts
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  Speaker 1: a lot better than me. She decides she's gonna crawl
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  Speaker 1: off the yacht in the in the dark and un
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  Speaker 1: rope a huge dinghy on the side of the yacht
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  Speaker 1: and then crawled down in it in the dark, out
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  Speaker 1: on the ocean, on the waves, and row herself to
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  Speaker 1: shore or motor and and and Nancy, she decided to
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  Speaker 1: do this in a swannel nightgown, in wolfsock and no
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  Speaker 1: underwear and no wonder Well, I am not saying you
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  Speaker 1: can't go to commando when you feel like you know fine?
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  Speaker 1: She was. You and I, Cheryl McCullum, have poured through
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  Speaker 1: photos of Natalie Wood. Tell me your observation. There's not
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  Speaker 1: one photograph where she's not slawless. Her hair, her makeup,
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  Speaker 1: her outfit, her jewelry. She is a movie star in
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  Speaker 1: every single photograph you can find, picture perfect. So for
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  Speaker 1: me to believe that this woman in a flannel nightgown
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  Speaker 1: with her makeup all, with half of her jewelry off,
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  Speaker 1: with a down jacket and wool socks is fixing the
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  Speaker 1: goat to shore in the night, and it was cold,
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  Speaker 1: and it was dark. And again, not only did she
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  Speaker 1: have a fear of water, dark water was debilitating. She
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  Speaker 1: would not even go near her own swimming pool in
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  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills in the dark. She wouldn't do it. Did
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  Speaker 1: she know how to swim? No, ma'am, You're not getting
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  Speaker 1: me out on a dinghy in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: What else do we know about that night, Cheryl. We
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  Speaker 1: know that they had a fight, and we know that
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  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner changed his story the broken wine bottle. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: he said, oh, it must have been because the boat,
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  Speaker 1: you know, was walking some and it must have just
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  Speaker 1: fallen over. Well, that yacht wasn't moving in that water.
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  Speaker 1: And then he later changed the story and even wrote
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  Speaker 1: in a book, but he smashed it over jealousy of
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  Speaker 1: Christopher walking. So again, in my world, want you change
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  Speaker 1: your story? I'm focused on you completely. You know That's
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  Speaker 1: what I always say, Cheryl em balash your story, add
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  Speaker 1: to your story as much as you want to. But
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  Speaker 1: when you change your story, you've got a problem. Because
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  Speaker 1: I always learned working with witnesses that when I would
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  Speaker 1: sit down with them, which of course I would do
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  Speaker 1: before I put up on the stand. Um, if you
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  Speaker 1: sit down and take time to talk, talk to them
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  Speaker 1: and ask them question after question after question, he learned
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  Speaker 1: so much more than it's in a police report. And
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  Speaker 1: they will embellish a lot of facts in details and
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  Speaker 1: descriptions as best they can. But when they start changing
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  Speaker 1: the story, then there's a problem. Now let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: how if he did, did Robert Wagner change his story
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  Speaker 1: about that night? What is his story about the secrets
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  Speaker 1: of events? His story was that she went off to bed,
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  Speaker 1: He went down later, she wasn't there. He looked for her,
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  Speaker 1: He went to the ship's captain. Um, they looked through
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  Speaker 1: the whole yacht. They could not find her, and then
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  Speaker 1: they became panicked. But he still waits and waits and
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  Speaker 1: waits before he calls for help. He waits and waits
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  Speaker 1: and waits before he calls for other people to come
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  Speaker 1: help and search and find her. He never turns the
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  Speaker 1: lights on, he never goes to Christopher Walking's room. So again,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm quote looking everywhere for her, the person that
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  Speaker 1: I was jealous of, the person that I thought she
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  Speaker 1: was learning with, I would have at least gone to
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  Speaker 1: his stateroom. And that never happened. Right. The big blow
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  Speaker 1: up that night was he Wagner was jealous that Natalie
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  Speaker 1: was paying attention to Christopher Walking and they were having
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  Speaker 1: fun and talking. They've been working on a movie, as
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  Speaker 1: I recall, it was some kind of thrill or brainstorm
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  Speaker 1: that was the name of it. Her co star was
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  Speaker 1: Christopher Walking, So Walking comes along. Bad weather was predicted
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  Speaker 1: that night November. There was a cold rain over Isthmas Bay.
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  Speaker 1: It was pummeling the faces of anybody going ashore for dinner.
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  Speaker 1: The sea wasn't that rough, however, although it was a
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  Speaker 1: horrible night. Um, let me understand. So they are all
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  Speaker 1: three on that's called the Splendor was Natalie's yacht. They're
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  Speaker 1: celebrating it's Thanksgiving, and then the fight breaks out. You know,
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  Speaker 1: once you add alcohol into a scenario like this, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like putting gas on a fire. So R. J.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner gets mad and starts to fight and actually says,
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  Speaker 1: what do you want to f my wife? He says
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  Speaker 1: that to Walk and I guess that ended the party. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Walking stomps off to bed, slams the door, and then
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  Speaker 1: the two of them continue to fight, also on board
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  Speaker 1: the ship's captain. Then what happens. The ship's captain is panicked,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, we've got to call for help. We've
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  Speaker 1: got to turn the lights on her. And he said, no,
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  Speaker 1: leave her there. He said leave her there, So that
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  Speaker 1: would make me think he knew where she wants. So Ben, finally,
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  Speaker 1: after four hours, do you know she's said he Robert
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  Speaker 1: Wagner said leave her there. That's what the ship's captain said.
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  Speaker 1: That he told him and I met with him personally,
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  Speaker 1: so Ben, they decided to call for help. So Robert
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  Speaker 1: Wagner calls for help and he tells over the radio,
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  Speaker 1: we have someone overboard in a Rubberdeen. We so he
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  Speaker 1: includes other people in this and then says someone. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't say my wife, he doesn't say Natalie, He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: identify her at all. So back to me is very
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  Speaker 1: important if you remember, like with John Bade Ramsey, when
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  Speaker 1: Patsy referred to that child. Trying to distant yourself at
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  Speaker 1: all is a clue to me. You know, it wasn't someone.
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  Speaker 1: I know it sounds like a small clue, Cheryl, but
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  Speaker 1: it is a clue. And that has been repeated over
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  Speaker 1: and over in criminal cases when you refer to the
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  Speaker 1: victim or someone else not by their name, but as
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  Speaker 1: for instance, that child or someone. Now, remember it was
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  Speaker 1: about seven pm that evening that they had all been
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  Speaker 1: seated for dinner and they ordered more and more champagne.
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  Speaker 1: And this was on I believe, on shore, and the
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  Speaker 1: manager of the restaurant was so worried. He was afraid
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  Speaker 1: they were also in Toxica. They couldn't get back to
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  Speaker 1: the yacht, but they did maybe rinking continued, The fight
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  Speaker 1: breaks out, walking storms away, slams his door. The fight continues,
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  Speaker 1: and then suddenly, how is everybody alerted that Natalie is missing?
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  Speaker 1: And Robert Wagner went and told then they supposedly hurt.
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  Speaker 1: And then that's when they called her help. And what
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  Speaker 1: help arrived? Um, they had helicopters and everything. The dingy
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  Speaker 1: was actually found a mile away from the yacht, and
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  Speaker 1: Natalie was found in the other direction almost away, a
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  Speaker 1: mile away almost was there a witness on a nearby
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  Speaker 1: craft that believed there was an ear witness? Yeah, she
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  Speaker 1: heard a lady screaming help me. Wow. Okay, what else
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  Speaker 1: do we know? We know that she had the wool
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  Speaker 1: fox own when they recovered her, and that's key because
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  Speaker 1: if she would have been flailing around trying to save
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  Speaker 1: herself from drowning, those thoughts very likely would have come off.
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  Speaker 1: We know that she had three ds of urine in
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  Speaker 1: her ladder, which again makes you think she may not
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  Speaker 1: have been conscious when she went into the water, because normally,
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  Speaker 1: if someone is drownding, they void, and that's very typical.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it would be abnormal for her not to
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  Speaker 1: urinate if you drowned exactly exactly, which I mean. That's
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that leaked off the page to
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  Speaker 1: me when I read the autoxics, which means you the
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  Speaker 1: alternative to that is that she was knocked out before
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  Speaker 1: she was thrown in and therefore she didn't avoid in
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  Speaker 1: the water. Correct. Now, that does not jive with a
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  Speaker 1: fellow crafter hearing her yelling help, correct, which is one
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  Speaker 1: of the things law enforcements should have keyed in on
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  Speaker 1: at the time, so again the stocks, the urine, those
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  Speaker 1: things do not appear that she was actively drowning, but
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  Speaker 1: could have gone into water unconscious and drowned, so that
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  Speaker 1: would equate for the urine and the water in her loan.
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  Speaker 1: She had water in her loan, so she did take
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  Speaker 1: in water, but with the urine. That would explain she
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  Speaker 1: went into the water, possibly unconscious but still drowned, but
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  Speaker 1: was not playing around. The night manager of the restaurant
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  Speaker 1: where they had eaten that evening was up reading a
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  Speaker 1: book in the cabin of the boat where he lived
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  Speaker 1: year round. He heard the radio, the CBE radio crackling,
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  Speaker 1: and he heard the conversation between Wagner and Miller. He
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  Speaker 1: radio to friend, then a night manager, Don Whiting, on
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  Speaker 1: the Isthmus to go to the Wagner yacht Pronto and
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  Speaker 1: report back in thirty minutes after that. Finally, thirty minutes
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  Speaker 1: after he did that, light beams from the harbor patrol boats,
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  Speaker 1: private boats from Baywatch Coast Guard helicopters began to criss
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  Speaker 1: cross the ocean. They shine down on the waves, swept
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  Speaker 1: over yachts ships. Nothing was found in the sea. It
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  Speaker 1: was seven thirty the following morning, a sheriff's helicopter headed
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  Speaker 1: towards Catalina. Suddenly a crew member just saw a spot
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  Speaker 1: of red in the ocean graves and they go down
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  Speaker 1: and it is face down in a red jacket, Natalie Wood,
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  Speaker 1: her hair splaying out around her, face down in the water.
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  Speaker 1: The dinghy was discovered on shore even further south. The
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  Speaker 1: key still in the ignition, turned in the off position,
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  Speaker 1: the gear neutral, the oars still tied down. Correct. What
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  Speaker 1: does that mean? S's what it means to me. The
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  Speaker 1: down jacket is what allowed them to find her. So again,
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  Speaker 1: down float. So when they talk in the ontopic report that, oh,
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  Speaker 1: the jacket would have waited forty pounds, it would have
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  Speaker 1: just you know, on her all the way down into
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  Speaker 1: the ocean. That jacket didn't weigh forty pounds in the water.
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  Speaker 1: The jacket is the reason again they found her because
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  Speaker 1: down float. So that jacket did not kill her. That
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  Speaker 1: makes it shot, yes, because the boat obviously had not
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  Speaker 1: been used at all. But here's another key thing. They
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  Speaker 1: said she felled getting into the boat. They just accepted
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  Speaker 1: that she fell getting in. Nobody untied the dingy and
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  Speaker 1: then gets in it. That dingy being rubber on that
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  Speaker 1: water with that wind. As soon as you untie it,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to start moving like a balloon in the wind.
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  Speaker 1: It's moving. So if she untied it first, there ain't
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  Speaker 1: no getting in it. That boat's gone. She wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: done that, we already know. Here's here's the contrast. It
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  Speaker 1: was clear she was not dressed to go on a
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  Speaker 1: boat ride. But police believe she had to untie the dinghy.
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  Speaker 1: Why she untie it if she didn't intend to go
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  Speaker 1: out in the boat. And again, you get in the
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  Speaker 1: you get it already, you get the oars, you turn
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  Speaker 1: it on, then you untie it correct. That's how that works.
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  Speaker 1: And she needs that much. And Nancy, look at it
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  Speaker 1: pre and post behavior. Look at post behavior. Even when
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  Speaker 1: this horrible thing happens, Robert Wagner doesn't even go and
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  Speaker 1: identify her body once again, He goes to the ship
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  Speaker 1: captain and makes him do it. Dennis the Verne identified
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  Speaker 1: Natalie Wood at the more you know, another thing is
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  Speaker 1: who told their children correct? Passed away? Nascarsha learned about
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  Speaker 1: it on the radio with a friend's house. What Nascarsha
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  Speaker 1: learned about her mother's death breaking news over the radio
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  Speaker 1: while she was at a friend's house. He didn't call her,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't go over there, he didn't go pick her up. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you and I both have recently lost loved ones. My
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  Speaker 1: immediate concern became my children, how to explain it to them,
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  Speaker 1: how to help them through it. I wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: to them as fast as I could not Robert Wagner,
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  Speaker 1: did we learn anything from the search of the boat
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  Speaker 1: of the yacht? Yes, their state room was in disarray.
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  Speaker 1: The wine bottle, and again, the fact that he did
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  Speaker 1: not completely search it, the fact that he did not
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  Speaker 1: turn on search lights, the fact that he did not
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  Speaker 1: call for help immediately but allowed the great time to pass,
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  Speaker 1: the fact that there was some jewelry in the room.
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  Speaker 1: Part of her jewelry was off, so it looked like
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  Speaker 1: something disrupted her nightly routine. So her sister will explain
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  Speaker 1: to you. She took her jewelry off, she took her
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  Speaker 1: makeup off, she put her night down, and then she
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  Speaker 1: went to bed. So that's how she did it. So
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  Speaker 1: at some point she decided she's gonna put her jacket
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  Speaker 1: on because they're going outside. So they're either going outside
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  Speaker 1: to finish arguing, which the captain can hear, or he
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  Speaker 1: makes her put the jacket on and says, come with me.
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  Speaker 1: We don't you know. We don't know for sure. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: we weren't there, but at some point she stopped for
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  Speaker 1: nightly routine to put on a jacket and goes outside
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  Speaker 1: with Robert Wagner. So Robert Wagner is the last person
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  Speaker 1: to see her. He was arguing with her at the time.
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  Speaker 1: The ship's captain that you know, did as the Verne
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  Speaker 1: will tell you, he saw her like shove her away,
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  Speaker 1: shove her away, or shove her towards the water. We
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  Speaker 1: also know that, according to the autopsy, a widespread bruise diffuse.
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  Speaker 1: It was about four inches by one inch spread over
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  Speaker 1: her right arm above the wrist. On the left wrist
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  Speaker 1: was a superficial fresh bruise about a half inch in diameter.
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  Speaker 1: There were small superficial skin bruises scattered over her right
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  Speaker 1: and left lower legs, fresh the knee area on the left,
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  Speaker 1: recent bruising, the right ankle recent bruise, and superficial bruises
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  Speaker 1: on the posterior. The back of both lower legs covered
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  Speaker 1: covering her legs were covered in bruises. A vertical upwards.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Brush type abrasion was on her cheek, her left cheek,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: as I recall, that was her only head wound. I
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• 21:03
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• 21:07
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• 21:15
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  Speaker 1: the closest blood relative to Natalie Wood, Hollywood star Launa Wood,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: her sister, successful and well known actress in her own right. Laana,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. And I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: gotta tell you something, Laura. I'm not want to go
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and get a photo or go impose myself on celebrities
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: when I see them, But when I saw you at
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Crime Con, I just couldn't stop myself. I just wanted
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to hug you and meet you and talk to you.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm so grateful for you being with us today. Oh,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Were you younger than Natalie? Are
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you older? I was? I was a baby there. We
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: had never thought you were the baby were you a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: bond girl? Yes, yes, yes. I always just tell people
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that if I had known that the bond role would
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: have followed me for the rest of my life, I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: would have done a better job. You did a great job.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: You know. When I heard that Natalie's case became a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: cold case, at first I was was a cold case.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I was disheartened. But the case is heating up again.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: And when I spoke to you about your recollections of
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the night Natalie died and what unfolded over the next
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: seventy two hours, and since it is amazing, I want
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: to take you back. And I know everybody does this,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: but I want our listeners to hear it from Lana.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Would Natalie's sister? Why what possessed Natalie to go out
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: on that dark water at Thanksgiving? I don't why Why
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: would she go out there where we're going in the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: first place? Natalie Um it was their Thanksgiving plans for
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: quite a while. She had been filming UM. She wanted
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Christopher and r J to get to know each other.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: It was it was a plan, and Um she refused
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: to change to change it around, even when her daughter
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Natasha was begging her not to go. UM. The night
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: before was rainy and nasty, and uh, nobody wanted to
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: go out on the boat, and everyone thought that it
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: was silly for them to be going, but it was just,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you know, that was the plan, and she was just
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: definite about it. Those are plans and we're just going
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: to change them. And that's that's the end of it. Now.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: How old were her children at the time, Oh, dear, um, Uh,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Courtney was about five, she was about the same age.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Because my daughter Evan is the same age as Courtney,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: there at six months difference in age, and uh, Natasha
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: at the time is about about twelve. Oh, my stars, Lana.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I never thought it through about how young they were. Yeah, yeah,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: it's it's um makes it even even worse. I mean,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: losing a parent at any time, I suppose is horrible,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: but they were so young. Um. The thing that saddened
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: me so much, not that long ago, is Courtney was
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: asked for a memory in an interview and she said,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I don't remember my mom. I never knew her, and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: that broke my heart. That's broke my heart. You know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: you can't none of this can be undone. It just can't.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: All the ripple effects of that one night. Where were
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you the night they went out on the splendor? Where
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: were you? Um? I was home. Now at that time,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you were getting along with Wagner. Um, Yeah, I didn't.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I absolutely Um. I just accepted him as as part
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: of the family. Now. They had been married before divorced,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and she married another guy, and then after that divorce
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: remarried her first husband, Robert Wagner. Right, what did you
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: think about the remarriage? Quite honestly, I wasn't happy about it.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Then I made myself very clear about my feelings. I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: do have a habit of voicing my opinion on my feelings. Um.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: And I took Natalie side the night she announced it
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to my mom and dad and me, and I said,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: what on earth are you doing? Because I remember the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: breakup of her marriage. I remember her coming into the
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: family home late at night. I was in bed. I
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: remember her coming with her hand bleeding. Um. She she
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: broke a wine glass that she was holding and and
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: sliced her hand doing an argument with Wagner. Yes, yes,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: And I remembered all that, you know, and I remember
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: everything after that. Did he know how you felt? I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: don't really know. I this is a terrible admission. To make.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think I spent much time talking to him
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: when I was with Natalie. I was there for Natalie.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't go to visit. We were normally on our
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: way out there. We were going shopping, or we were
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: going to do a girl's lunch, or we were gonna
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: we were going to go to a movie, we were
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: going to do something, do you know what I mean?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Or I was there with something specific and it would
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: be the two. I think he was jealous of her. Um.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I know he was jealous the night of Christopher Walking,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: but I mean because of her huge, huge box office
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: success and he was a TV star. I think I
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: think he would have to be some sort of saint
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: not to feel how difficult that would be, because I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: think it's part of the male ego. Yes, I'm making
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a blanket statement. Um, to be a man. The man
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: likes to be in charge, be the breadwinner, be the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: decision maker. It's a guy thing. And I've got to
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: agree agree with me on that. That's how they feel.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. This is completely on
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: a different topic. Hold on now. At the time Natalie
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: passed away, was Wagner already starring with Stephanie Powers. Yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: he was already doing Hard Heart. So he was already
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: starring with Stephanie Powers, and that was his was that
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: his biggest show. That was a big show, that it
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: was a very successful show, absolutely, very popular, very successful show.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: So when did it start sinking into you that everything
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: did not ge hoss, everything did not exactly line up correctly.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I don't even recall brushing my teeth. I don't. I
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: don't know when I know that. I I was on
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: automatic pilots. There were arguing, There was arguing going on.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: My mom passed out from high blood pressure. Guy mclwaine,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: who was a friend of Natalie's and a former boyfriend
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: of mine, suddenly arrived at the house. Our half sister came.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: My mom was hysterical. I remember, I remember my mom
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: turning around in my living room and saying, the wrong
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: one died while looking at me, and I said, don't
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: even go there. Why have you said that Robert Wagner
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: has not cooperated with police? Why do I say it
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: because they've never spoken to them. I don't know why
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: he keeps saying he did. It boggles my mind. That
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: day he didn't speak to them, And what when it happened.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Whoever arrived, I was somebody from the corner's office, and
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: there was there were there, there was that detective Rasher Um.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: They arrived on the boat. They did not question anybody.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: They took an accounting from everybody. When did you see her?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Last one has happened. I'm terribly sorry if you lost
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Mr Wagoner Um he was Then he and Christopher were
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: flown back to the mainland and it was Dennis de
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Verne who had to identify Natalie's body, which it horrified me. Um,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't, I can't. It's I know, it's
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: wrong for me to want someone to react how I would.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: That's just flat out wrong. But it boggles my mind
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: that you wouldn't as a husband, as a lover, as
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a friend, as a dog owner, that you wouldn't rush
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the side of someone it's passed away and won't hold
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: them and want to be there. So I don't understand
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: that time he has not spoken to police. Know the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: only time he has spoken to police was that the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: day he has never spoken to them. Let me ask
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: you this, Lana, Is it true that detectives told you
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: they were very close to making an arrest in the case. Absolutely.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: They came to my home and said that they had
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: everything they needed for an arrest and that the district
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: attorney would not move forward. And I said, I don't understand,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and he said, please get that word out because they
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: feel that there's something going on. And I said, fine,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: if somebody asks me, I will, I will tell them.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: So they came to your house and said they have
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: enough for an arrest. The d A is sitting on it.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Did you believe that they were referring to Robert Wagner?
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Did they tell you as Robert Wagen? Oh? Of course, yes, yes,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: they told you as Robert Wagen. What they said? Now,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner was starring with Stephanie Powers on Heart to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Heart and he then later married Jill st. John In correct, Yes,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: did she had she been a friend of Natalie's. No,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I've never even seen her at the house. No, not,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: not friends at all. Actually I saw very little of Stephanie.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: But I saw more of Stephanie than I never thought. Joe,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: after all the years, he's never sat down with you
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and talked to you about what happened that night, Nancy.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: He didn't ever call me and tell me that Natalie
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: had drowned or that anything had happened. He never called Natasha,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Natalie's daughter by Richard Gregson. She was spending the night
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: at a friend's house. She heard it on the on
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: the New Lea. What was Natasha's take on all of this?
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Where does Natasha stand? I wouldn't know. I'm not I'm
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: not allowed to speak to anyone or they will not
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: take phone calls or anything from me. I I'm somehow,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. If you ever find out the answer,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: let me know. What did you find odd about that night?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Other than the fact that Natalie Wood, who was always
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: no matter when you saw her, she was dressed to
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the tea for her fans and she was out in
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a flannel gown with knee socks and no underwear. Did
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: they do a rape kit on Natalie? Do you know?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I was told by UM detectives Hernandez and Low that
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: there was no rape kick. UM there were no fingernail clippings,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and I said, wow, that's really odd because that standard procedure. UM.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I was then toil later that there was a rape
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: kit and there were fingernail clippings, and somehow they're not accessible.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows anything about it. So who do you believe.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I really told you that there was
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a rape kit and nail. An attorney call intacted me personally,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: not terribly long ago, who has been um speaking to
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: various people that he knows UM. He told me. What
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: else was odd to you that you learned about the
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: night Natalie's round? Well, many things. And first of all,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Natalie would never, never, in a million years, for any
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: reason of any type, leave her boat, not dressed. Not dressed,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: she with wolf socks on. Natalie always had cold feet
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and hands on the boat. It was intensified. She used
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to keep wolf socks to sleep, to go to sleep.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: She would have never gotten into the dinghy for any reason.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: She would never have gone out to tie it up.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: That's why they had a captain on board. He did
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: all that. Somebody doesn't suddenly change their personality, their behaviors
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in a day. That's not Natale. She would not have
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: done that. There is no earthly way. It's ludicrous to
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: think otherwise. Do you recall at the wake that Robert
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Wagner was he said, I've got to talk to you,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I've got to know what happened, And according to one story,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I heard. He turned around, looked at you and said,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry he did. I went upstairs. R
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: J um I didn't see him, and I said, where's
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: r J? And Suddy set upstairs? So I went upstairs
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: into their bedroom and he was sitting on the edge
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of the bed and I said, r J, what the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: hell happened? What happened? And he said it was an accident.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Please believe me. I'm sorry. And then somebody grabbed me
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: by the arm I don't know who and said leave alone,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Just leave alone, and so I left. I went, I
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: went back downstairs. Well, his walker never said about this,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Christopher Walkin nothing, absolutely nothing. He's never said a word.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Understand he passed to polygraph Christopher Walking Ah good. No,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think he had anything to do with anything.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think he did. But that would go into
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and Robert Wagner would because people, who why is that interesting?
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: If you have something to hide, you do so. If
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: you have nothing to hide. When I go through the
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: security checks at the airport, you know we've got to
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: pack you down, go for it. It's is there anything
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I can do to help to make this easier? Is
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: there anything I can say? Is there anything I can do?
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: That's what an innocent person does. In all the years
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: that Naanally has been gone, do you ever feel that
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: she has tried to contact you or you have heard
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: from her? I don't know. I've I've had strange dreams.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I had one strange occurrence that I don't know. Um
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I would I would love to believe that she has,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: but I don't know it would. It would be great
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: if if she had. I know she wouldn't be happy.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: What do you make of the fact that they have
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: essentially reopened the case. I don't buy any of the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: circumstances with which she passed away by by none. Uh,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Dennis de Verne, you call me late at night, drunk,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and this was maybe ten years after Natalie passed, maybe
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: not quite that long, maybe four years, five years, and say,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: you know that he knows what happened. And he was
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: there and he he did this, and he did that.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: And I used to say, Dennis, go go to the authorities.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: And he'd say, I can't because he felt guilty too.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: And he'd say, I can't tell you everything because you'll,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: you know, you'll hate everybody. And I said, just tell me,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and he he would tell me enough, and then he
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: would stop and wouldn't tell me everything ever. But he
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: said that there was a bad fight. R J has
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: changed his story story twice and r J denied that
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to my face, which then I said, you changed your story,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: goes oh, I never changed my story. Yes he did.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: He said in one book that there was no wine bottle,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: He didn't break a wine bottle, there was no argument,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: everything was fine. And suddenly he writes another book and
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: there he says he got upset and jealous and accused
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Christopher Walking of cheating, and you know of Natalie cheating
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  Speaker 1: and this and that and broke a wine bottle. That
• 40:29
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• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I can't tell you. It's like, um, I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: just I just find this all bizarre and horrendous. Again,
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  Speaker 1: com today. Now joining us is a woman who was
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  Speaker 1: devoted much of her professional life to researching and investigating
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the mysterious death surrounding the apparent drowning of Hollywood start
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Natalie Wood. It's Marty Ruly, the author of Goodbye Natalie,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Goodbye Splendor. Marty, thank you so much for being with
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: us with the most recent turn of events in the
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Natalie Wood death investigation. I'm really anxious to hear what
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you've got to say. Marty. The actual closed case that
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: was closed within days of Natalie's suspicious death was reopened
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: in November. And what I make of it is that
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: had I worked many years on trying to get that
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: to happen, and finally it did happen. And the beautiful
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: thing that came from it is that two new detectives
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: were assigned to the case who left no stone unturned
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and they have ended up believing what I spent many
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: years trying to get them to believe. And they interviewed
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: hundreds of people, not just Dennis de Verne, who is
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the main eye and ear witness of Natalie's death the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: night that she was actually in the ocean, and dennisol
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: everything that happened that led to her death. These detectives
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: now believe this homicide case should remain open because it
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: is solvable. They have a suspect, they do not come
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: out and say they have a suspect. It's been quiet,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: but it is not over. The Natalie Wood case is
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: still an open and active case. Marty, After all of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: your energy, all of your time that you poured into
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the Natalie Wood death investigation, what do you believe is
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the most powerful evidence that suggests Natalie did not die
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: by accident. It's more than just the argument and that
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: more than one witness overheard on Saturday night. Everything leading
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: to Natalie's death started months before this fateful cruise that
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weekend of Robert Wagner traveled months ahead to visit
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Natalie in North Carolina, where she was filming with Christopher
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Walkin on Brainstorm. He told Dennis to Verne he was
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: going there to catch her cheating. He knew she was cheating.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: There's no evidence of that, but in his mind that's
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: what he thought he would go there and find. He
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: came back, he seemed satisfied he did not catch Natalie
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. But his whole entire personality demeanor changed
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: at that time. He started disappearing at nights. Dennis. Dennis
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: saw them on a daily basis, even in everyday life,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and Robert Wagner wasn't coming to the boat, he wasn't
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: available at nights. He was making comments to Dennis that
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: were frightening. Dennis didn't know what was going on. He
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: figured when Natalie was done her location filming, everything would
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: get back to normal. They'd start to come out on
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the boat. And that's what happened. Natalie finished her filming,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: it was Thanksgiving weekend, and she wanted to take her
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: co star of her new movie on the boat for
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a cruise. It's what that family did. Robert Wagner had
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: his people on board, the people he worked with. Natalie
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: would have her co star Sean Connery, um, anyone she
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: worked with, It would George Siegel, they would come on board.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: So Natalie invited Christopher Walking. There's a lot of speculation. No,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: she was cheating, as like, who would have their co
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: star on board the boat with her husband and make
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: him jealous. This is what that fam only did. That's
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: not what happened. So the Friday night of the cruise,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the Friday night is the night people, the law everyone
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: should be focusing on. Friday night is when the arguments started.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: They were moored. They were anchored in Avalon where there's
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of things to do on the island. Robert
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Wagner late at night, did not want to stay in Avalon.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: He wanted to move to the remote, secluded part of
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: the island where there's only one restaurant that closes about
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: ten thirda What's av Avalon is the city on Catalina
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Island where there's activities, restaurants, curio shops. They were in
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: a nice area for entertaining. Natalie just wanted to entertain
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: her co star. Robert Wagner is who wanted to go
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: to the other end of the island where it's very
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: remote and quiet. Why on Friday night when it's raining
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and cold, and that's the night the water was choppy,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: not the night Natalie died. The next night Natalie refused,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner went crazy with anger, pulling anchor, saying he's
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: moving the boat. Natalie was afraid Friday night, and I
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: think that's when the seed that was already growing in
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner grew two proportions their sinister that he wanted
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: that quiet part of the island for reasons that have
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: to do with what happened to Natalie the next night.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: So they stayed. Natalie left the island, left the boat
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry with Dennis to Verne and they went to
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Avalon and Dennis and Natalie stayed in a hotel room together.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Now Natalie she was she didn't like being alone. She
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: was afraid that night, probably more so of maybe her
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: husband showing up than of strangers. Dennis stayed in the
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: same room with Natalie and she vented until four in
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: the morning. They talked and she was very upset with
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner. Why he was doing this to her. She
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: was going to catch a seaplane in the morning, and
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: how sad that, um, there are no planes available. There
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't no way off the island. She decided to go
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: back to the boat, but they were going to go
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: back to the mainland, which Dennis begged Robert Wagner to do.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: But Wagner was so apologetic, he was sweet again. He
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: apologized to Natalie. Let's still go to the other end
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: of the island, is what he wanted to do. They
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: went to two harbors at the Isthmus and that's where
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: they moored and the only place there is a restaurant.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner is who told Natalie go ahead, to the
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: island with with Christopher and have yourself some drinks and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Dennis and I will join you later. And Natalie and
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Christopher took a taxi, a sure taxi to the restaurant.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Robert Wagner and Dennis joined them for dinner, for cocktails
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: and dinner. But before that, Dennis still pleaded with r
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: J to leave and go home to the mainland. And
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: r J said to Dennis, no, Natalie will get what
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: she came for and a lot more. And the way
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: that Robert Wagner said that was so sinister that Dennis
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: was so afraid something was going to happen that he
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: pleaded again to leave for the mainland. But they went
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: to dinner and that's when the trouble started, and then
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: they got back to the boat, argument arguing started. And
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: that's it, though, that you say Robert Wagner, even though
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: he was extremely jealous, and he admits that of Christopher
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Walkin sends Natalie and walking to go out drinking alone
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: before he and Dennis get there, and they were all
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: so inebriated. The restaurant owner was worried about them even
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: getting back to the splendor that night. Yes, that gave
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Wagner every reason to say she was out drinking with
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: her co star. He is the one who pleaded with them.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: You know, it was his way of apologizing. YouTube, Go
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: have fun. I am so sorry for last night. He
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: was not sorry. A lot of people think that. You know,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: when Natalie went missing, Robert Wagner didn't know what to do.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: That's why he waited to call for help. I don't
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: think he was worrying about planning what he would do.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I think he was following a plan. You don't wait
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: two and a half hours when your wife is missing
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: to call a restaurant for help, and then another two
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: hours on top of that to allow he gave had
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: to give permission for the harbor master to call for
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: help with the coast Guard. And now medical evidence since
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the new case has been reopened. Medical evidence shows that
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Natalie was never conscious in the water, so there probably
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: isn't much the coastguard could have done except maybe recover
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: her body earlier than the morning time. But there are
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: so many details in this case that of course do
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: not reach the public yet. Um the media wants statements
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: from a law. The law is hands off until they
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: can make an actual arrest or form a grand jury.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Because of the celebrity involved, Natally's case is one of
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: the strongest circumstantial cases ever. Any regular Joe would already
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: be in prison with far less evidence involved um and
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: the cases again left in the hands of a few
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: people who still care. I mean, thank goodness. Lana Wood,
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Natalie's sister, is a blood relative who gave the nod
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: to the Cold Case Institute now involved in this and
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: every single thing that they are investigating with experts and
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the forensic tests that I conducted in my own private investigation.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: The Cold Case Institution is now realizing everything that I've
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: been saying for thirty years. And and if you know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of people question Dennis to Verne, there's a
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: lot of backstory there too. But it's an open case
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and I think that we will get to it. What
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: it's taking celebrity, You know, the law is so afraid
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: that a jury will not put um Jonathan Hart behind bars,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Bretta dr Huxtable. It just happens when celebrity is involved
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: and the celebrity has a high profile attorney attached. There's
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: always the threat of being sued. You have to be
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: careful how you word things. But now um Corina in
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: charge of this case at the l A. S D.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: He has come out in articles and said they do
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: have a person of interest. They are focused on one
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: person here. But you know, the greater media just doesn't
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: pick up on these things. They're not following a case
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: where information isn't coming directly from the authorities. And I
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: understand that. And Robert Wagner is he's aging now. And
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the one thing that I would like to guarantee people
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: is that even if this case does not make it
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: to a courtroom, the truth will make it to be
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: attached to Natalie's legacy because she does deserve that. I mean,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: my mantra is Natalie Wood didn't get drunk and fall
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: off of a boat. Natalie is a victim, a beaten
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: wife who was thrown into the ocean and left to die,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: and not because she did anything wrong, but just because
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: her husband is a sociopath. And I'm not afraid to
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: say it. I have the backup information to prove it.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Of course, he denies any involvement and Natalie Wood's drowning death. Nancy,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: it took decades for people to listen to us, and
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: now it's it's still a full blown homicide investigation. We
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: are on the case part of the investigation into the
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: death of Natalie Wood. So many people still unsettled by
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: the perceived lot of a resolution and joining us in
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: our search for justice. I know this, I know it's Thanksgiving,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: and I know I am so blessed. We wish you
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: all the most wonderful Thanksgiving and I hope you have time,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: no matter who you are or where you are, to
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: pause and count your blessings. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,
• 54:13
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