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Forrest Galante _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _613(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is an outdoorsman. He's a master of animalia,
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  Speaker 1: or animals, means animals. He's known for his focus on
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  Speaker 1: animals close to extinction. He's a host on Discovery. He's
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  Speaker 1: been to some of the most insane parts of the world.
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  Speaker 1: I'm grateful to get to know him and learn about
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  Speaker 1: his life. Today's guest is Mr. Forrest Galante. Shine on
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  Speaker 1: me And I.
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  Speaker 2: Will find Yeah, that's the best, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Forrest Galante, thanks for coming in, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. Thanks for having me. Glad we made it work. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited, dude. I'm excited to talk about Animalia and
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about your life so our listeners know
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  Speaker 1: who you are. Sure. Yeah, I was complimenting those shoes, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Those things are nice.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, the GORUX. Is this a company that's all about
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  Speaker 2: putting heavy weight on your back and training? And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time in a backpack, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm a big fan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they look pretty springy, dude. I went with the
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  Speaker 1: boots today.
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  Speaker 2: How do you like the cowboy boots? Is that your go-to?
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  Speaker 2: Are you a cowboy boots guy?
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  Speaker 1: About two days a week now.
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  Speaker 2: Two days a week? Yeah. Trying to quit, though?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You have none of these six milligrams. Yeah, there
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  Speaker 3: you go. That's a heavy dose of boot right there. Dude,
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  Speaker 3: what if they do come out with boots?
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  Speaker 1: Like, what if Zen or Alp comes out with a
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  Speaker 1: boot that has, like, nicotine in the rim of it
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  Speaker 1: so it, like, Soaks into your body.
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  Speaker 2: Leaching into the feet. Yeah. Getting that little head buzz.
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  Speaker 2: I'd buy them.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I would put them on if I had to
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  Speaker 1: do one of those field sobriety tests.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. There you go. Yeah. You're like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: good from the knees up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, good to see you today. You were, you grew
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  Speaker 1: up in, I mean, you were kind of born into
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  Speaker 1: animalia there in like, uh, on the edge of, of
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  Speaker 1: Africa in Zimbabwe.
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  Speaker 2: That's where you grew up. Yeah, exactly right. So son
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  Speaker 2: of safari business owners. If I wasn't in school, we
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  Speaker 2: either lived on a farm or my family ran safaris.
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  Speaker 2: So I was out in the bush. So I've just
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  Speaker 2: been around wildlife my entire childhood. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: That's you right there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Look at them teeth right there. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to get bit by that. No.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was part beaver growing up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Take me into some of that, like what it's like
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  Speaker 1: growing up on in like a safari land. Does it
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  Speaker 1: give you a different appreciation of animals? Does it make
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  Speaker 1: you more fearful of animals?
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  Speaker 2: It's a good question. I mean, I think. Anything you
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  Speaker 2: grow up with, you become used to, right? It's like
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  Speaker 2: this is the norm when you're a kid. You just
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  Speaker 2: expect that that's the norm. So I grew up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'd come home from school, kick my shoes off, run
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  Speaker 2: out on the farm, try and catch snakes or be
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  Speaker 2: looking for jackals or all these, you know, just like
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  Speaker 2: a coyote, all these kind of things that sort of
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  Speaker 2: is parallel to if you grew up on a farm here, right?
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  Speaker 2: If you're a farm kid here, you go out and
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're from Louisiana, maybe you see a cottonmouth
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  Speaker 2: or coyote in the bush or whatever, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just tickle a chicken or something.
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  Speaker 2: Tickle a chicken, you know? Yeah, that meant something else
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  Speaker 2: when I got to high school. But, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: grew up thinking that was the norm. And then I'd
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  Speaker 2: go out into the bush on safari with my family
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  Speaker 2: and it would be like, don't leave the tent after
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  Speaker 2: dark and stay here. And, you know, there were rules,
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  Speaker 2: but as long as you didn't break the rules, you
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  Speaker 2: were pretty safe. And what I saw throughout my childhood
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  Speaker 2: was like a decline in animals. You know, the same
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  Speaker 2: camps we'd go to where there used to be huge
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  Speaker 2: herds of elephants, there's now two or three elephants, or
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  Speaker 2: big wild spaces, there's now farm fields. So I didn't
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  Speaker 2: really realize it as a kid, but as I got older,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't like that. Like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want all that wild stuff to go away. And so
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  Speaker 2: I didn't really realize it when I was young, but
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  Speaker 2: over time, even as a child, I was like, this
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  Speaker 2: is something that I would like to dedicate my life to,
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  Speaker 2: is making sure that all this wild stuff, spaces, animals,
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  Speaker 2: all of it doesn't go away.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm guessing you're thinking then along the lines of
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  Speaker 1: like conservation like that. Do you come out of your
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  Speaker 1: youth just feeling inspired towards that?
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  Speaker 2: That's a very nice way to put it. It starts
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  Speaker 2: by breaking a lot of rules, bending the laws a
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  Speaker 2: lot and just being, you know, you, you know, those kids, right?
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  Speaker 2: You're the yoink kid on Instagram. He's catching all the
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  Speaker 2: snakes and stuff. You're one of those kids. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? And so in the U S there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of laws against, you know, don't harass us
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  Speaker 2: and don't do that in Zimbabwe. There's fuck all for laws.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, um, it's just kind of do whatever. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that love and that appreciation came from fiddling with everything,
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  Speaker 2: catching it, trapping it, working with it. But ultimately as
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  Speaker 2: you grow, as you fall in love with something, you
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  Speaker 2: want to protect it and that's conservation.
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  Speaker 1: And so what, what was, what was thinning the herds there?
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  Speaker 2: People just mostly encroachment, a little bit of poaching, you know,
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  Speaker 2: ivory poaching and stuff, hunting elephants, but more like habitat encroachment,
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  Speaker 2: you know, villages popping up, big trees getting cut down
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  Speaker 2: for farm field, goats and things getting moved in, you know,
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that, like grazing. And so pushing the animals out.
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  Speaker 1: And was it affecting, like, were you guys on a
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  Speaker 1: bigger piece of like nature reserve or?
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  Speaker 2: The safari camps were, they were all out in the bush,
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  Speaker 2: but it was still, you know, you still would just
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  Speaker 2: see a general impact, like, like a thinning of animals. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So did your family continue the safari business in Zimbabwe
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  Speaker 1: or how do you get from there, um, sort of
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  Speaker 1: to here into the US?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we tried to, but during the early 2000s,
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  Speaker 2: Zimbabwe was under something called the Land Reform Campaign, which
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  Speaker 2: was President Robert Mugabe at the time, who declared himself
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  Speaker 2: supreme leader for life. He did this thing where- Oh,
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  Speaker 2: like a boss, huh? Like Birdman. Yeah, he came in hard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he made it, this land reform made it so
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  Speaker 2: that it was very, very hard. Like my family's six
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  Speaker 2: generations Zimbabwe, but basically it was a race war. And
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  Speaker 2: if you were white, there was a land reform campaign
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  Speaker 2: passed that meant that if you were black and you
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  Speaker 2: had heritage, you could come and take that land away.
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  Speaker 1: No way.
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  Speaker 2: Because of colonial settlement and things like that. Obviously, I
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  Speaker 2: grew up long after any colonial settlement took place. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we had gunfights and we had neighbors murdered and which
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  Speaker 2: is indoctrination through torture into the political party, the ZANU-PF
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  Speaker 2: political party. There was some crazy political turmoil.
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  Speaker 1: Zimbabwe's land reform refers to a controversial program that began
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  Speaker 1: in 1980 and escalated in 2000, redistributing farmland from white
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  Speaker 1: commercial farmers to black Zimbabweans. So your family was... We
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  Speaker 1: were farmers. So you were farmers, and this happened as
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  Speaker 1: you guys were there.
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  Speaker 2: So when I was a kid, I mean, it says
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  Speaker 2: here in 1980 is when it started, which it may have.
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  Speaker 2: But when I was a kid, We never locked our doors.
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  Speaker 2: There was no, we didn't have barbed wire fences, nothing.
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  Speaker 2: It was very safe, very peaceful country. But in like 1999, 2000,
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  Speaker 2: and then 2001 when we left, it got really bad
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  Speaker 2: really quickly. And it was sort of an attempt by
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  Speaker 2: Robert Mugabe to retain power for his party, the ZANU-PF
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  Speaker 2: political party.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I see. So his party would feel like maybe
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  Speaker 1: they were going to be pushed out. And so he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I need to do something drastic right now in order
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  Speaker 1: to stay in.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm going to return this colonialized land.
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  Speaker 2: To the people.
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  Speaker 1: From whites to the black people.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Got it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so we're, but you saw that like in neighbors,
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  Speaker 1: you saw people's lands being taken over stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I saw a kid get shot in the head.
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  Speaker 2: We saw everything. It was crazy. Yeah. I mean, there
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  Speaker 2: were gunfights there. We had these war veterans settling on
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  Speaker 2: the fence lines. We were the smallest farm in the
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  Speaker 2: Shamva district. That was where I grew up. And so
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  Speaker 2: we were the last ones to get taken because we
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  Speaker 2: had the lowest political incentive or financial incentive, right? So
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  Speaker 2: you look at the area where we live, there were
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  Speaker 2: all these huge farms, right? Million dollar a year plus
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  Speaker 2: tobacco farms and things. We were a tiny little alstroemeria,
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  Speaker 2: which is an exotic flower farm. And so we were
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  Speaker 2: the last ones to get grabbed because why bother with us, right?
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  Speaker 1: We'll get them at the end.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So we saw neighbors get murdered. These Pungwis, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, which is indoctrination through torture. crazy war chants, shootouts, everything.
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  Speaker 2: It was nuts for a little while.
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  Speaker 1: And would these groups just kind of come like in
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  Speaker 1: just trucks, like, and sort of, or would they come
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  Speaker 1: in like force? Was it the, was it the government
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  Speaker 1: coming or was it just like, citizens, black citizens.
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  Speaker 2: It was pretty much just citizens, like unemployed citizens, basically.
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  Speaker 2: And for the majority, it was kids with guns. You're 14,
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  Speaker 2: 15 years old, you grew up maybe on the streets
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  Speaker 2: of Harare. And all of a sudden you have this
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  Speaker 2: dictator like president going, hey, those rich white guys over there,
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  Speaker 2: go get them. And they're like, okay. They call it
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  Speaker 2: war veterans that survived the war. There were no war veterans.
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  Speaker 2: It was just kids with guns. Like 14 to 20
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  Speaker 2: year old kids. Wow. Um, and that's, that's what, you know,
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  Speaker 2: shootouts and all this, but all that being said, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to paint a bad light on it. It
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  Speaker 2: was incredible childhood. There was just a couple of rough
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  Speaker 2: years there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, one thing that's fascinating about Africa, even like places
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  Speaker 1: that I've been there is you see the race, like
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  Speaker 1: the racial colonial, you see that it's very evident in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of places. You also see a lot of like, um,
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  Speaker 1: like black leadership that comes into power and gets very
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  Speaker 1: desperate and will try to uh own everything themselves as
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  Speaker 1: well it's a it's a.
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  Speaker 2: Tribal mentality right it's like i i come from this
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  Speaker 2: culture whether it's shauna zulu whatever it happens to be
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  Speaker 2: and that tribe is like the way that i've been
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  Speaker 2: a dominant tribe is i dominate another tribe right and
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  Speaker 2: this is not a racial thing it's just it's a
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  Speaker 2: cultural thing and they're you know they they get leadership
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  Speaker 2: whether that's being a president or being a minister or
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is. And then how am I going to
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  Speaker 2: retain it? I'm going to dominate another tribe. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter if they're white, black, Zulu, Shauna, whatever, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just, I'm going to dominate. And that's, it's a,
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  Speaker 2: it's a crazy thing. I'll tell you a crazy story.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever told anybody this publicly. I
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  Speaker 2: grew up on a farm, 200, 200 employees that worked
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  Speaker 2: on our farm, right? Like 200 people that pick flowers, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 2: My best friends were all black Shauna kids, Zimbabwean kids.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember one day going to school, I was 14.
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't really understand what was going on other
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  Speaker 2: than it was stuff was going bad. And my best friend,
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  Speaker 2: who had been my best friend since we were like
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  Speaker 2: seven years old, we went to lunch that day, like
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  Speaker 2: a random Tuesday. And the prefects, which is like the older,
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  Speaker 2: like the seniors, right? They come out and they're like,
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  Speaker 2: you two, come over here. Like Forrest, go on that side.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay. At school? like proper school, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like button down, like, you know, very formal school. Like Forrest,
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  Speaker 2: go over here. And Malusi, go over here. Malusi was
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  Speaker 2: my friend. Malusi's black. And, uh, they're like, go on
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  Speaker 2: this side. And I was like, why are we getting
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  Speaker 2: split up? And they're like, we're having a fight black
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  Speaker 2: versus white at school. And my best friend who was
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  Speaker 2: felt as shocked as I would, he got like moved
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  Speaker 2: by the seniors to the other side of the rugby
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  Speaker 2: field to have a fist fight with us. And I
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  Speaker 2: was just like, why are we doing this? You know,
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  Speaker 2: it was like so confused because we didn't understand it.
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  Speaker 2: We were just little kids, but this racial tension got insane.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, it just, it, it boiled over and you've
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  Speaker 2: seen like Donald Trump just called out the South African
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  Speaker 2: president around it. But that similar sort of thing is
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  Speaker 2: taking place in South Africa now.
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  Speaker 1: With the same type of energy, like let's take the
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  Speaker 1: land back from the white owners.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's the same thing. Sometimes when you
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  Speaker 1: look at Hamas in Gaza, it's like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people believe that Hamas was elected because they felt no
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  Speaker 1: other way to try and stop Israeli people from coming
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  Speaker 1: and just taking over their homes. That's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: what I hear from friends on both sides of it,
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  Speaker 1: that like they just they needed to do something drastic.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So they elected the most drastic element that they could.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's a sign of desperation, regardless of
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  Speaker 2: the situation. It's like if you're desperate, you do something drastic.
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  Speaker 2: It's a Hail Mary. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think some of that's even it's human nature.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. I do it myself, right? You're like, shit, what
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  Speaker 2: do I do? Let's just send it, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely. When it's getting late at night and your
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  Speaker 1: wife left you or whatever and you just text some
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  Speaker 1: girl that you knew for a couple years.
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  Speaker 2: Still up? Yeah, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. So I think that happens a lot. You
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  Speaker 1: saw someone get shot?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the neighbors. We were riding our motorbikes
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  Speaker 2: and he got shot, yeah. Wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so these groups, they come and then would
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  Speaker 1: they kind of kick people out of their homes? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: was that sort of how it was happening? And then
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  Speaker 1: how did you guys end up eventually leaving?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. So basically they'd come, they'd surround the property or
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  Speaker 2: the farm, but white Zimbabweans, similar to like white South
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  Speaker 2: Africans or whatever, they're pretty hard people, grew up farming culture,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so they dig their heels in and say,
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  Speaker 2: bring it on. And there'd ultimately end up being a
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  Speaker 2: shootout or something like that. And so what happened to us,
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  Speaker 2: and I can't speak for every farm, but A lot
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  Speaker 2: of our friends, like a lot of their dads got
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  Speaker 2: murdered and all this other stuff. But what happened to
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  Speaker 2: us is my mom was a single mother with my
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  Speaker 2: sister and I on the farm at the time. And
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  Speaker 2: they came, they surrounded our farm and they came and
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  Speaker 2: they said to my mom, they're like, we'll give you
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  Speaker 2: 24 hours to leave or we're going to kill you
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  Speaker 2: and take everything. And so my mom and I remember
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  Speaker 2: I was 14. I ran upstairs and I grabbed my
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  Speaker 2: gun and I grabbed a knife and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: bring it on. And my mom like hit me and
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  Speaker 2: she's like, go get in the car, pack your shit
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  Speaker 2: and get in the car. And I was like, yes, mom.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and so we left. So nothing bad. Happened
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  Speaker 2: to us physically, but it was it was just a
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  Speaker 2: very like ripped from everything overnight kind of situation.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So Mama Galante had the sense, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Thank God, because I didn't still don't. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to your dad? He wasn't there.
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  Speaker 2: No, they split up when I was pretty young and
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  Speaker 2: he moved into town and remarried and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: And he just didn't want to have much to do
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 1: And your mother ran a botanical farm out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, ran the flower farm. Flowers and oranges.
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  Speaker 1: Was it pretty beautiful out there with the flowers?
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  Speaker 2: So beautiful. So we had these big Masasa trees. We
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  Speaker 2: lived on a kopi, which is like a granite mountain
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  Speaker 2: with the house on top.
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  Speaker 1: Masasa tree it's called?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I want to see it.
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  Speaker 2: It's really, yeah. Like your iconic African tree. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, there's something so amazing about being in Africa.
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  Speaker 2: Where'd you go when you went to Africa?
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  Speaker 1: We've been to Kenya, to Mombasa.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Mombasa. Yeah, on the coast there. Mombasa.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'll tell you, this is just a funny story.
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  Speaker 1: It's different, but. So we went to some bar there.
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  Speaker 1: It was called Florida. It was like, they give it
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  Speaker 1: like an American name because they know that like Americans
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  Speaker 1: are going to come and get off of cruise ships
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. And I was there. I was on a
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  Speaker 1: thing called Semester at Sea. It's like a floating university.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you went as a kid. Yeah. That's cool.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so it was pretty impressive. I worked in
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: the bookstore on the ship and you got to, and
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: that worked as my tuition. So I got to go
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: on this crazy adventure, but we're there. And one of
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: my buddies, this little Jewish guy, he like got a beat.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: He got a blowjob from a local- Possibly a prostitute
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: or just a like.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: Gray area. Yeah. Yeah.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: From a nice gray area woman. Cute girl. And he
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: said that while he was taking his wiener out of
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: his pants that it cut on his zipper. And so
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: now he's scared the whole time. He's like, we're in Africa.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: He's like, what if I catch something?
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: He's getting AIDS. He's getting AIDS.
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: He's like, dude, I'm getting AIDS. He's like asking people.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: He's like trying to nonchalantly ask people about AIDS at
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: the bar and stuff. So, dude.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: At Florida.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: He was so neurotic. He ended up ordering a glass
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: of vodka. And it was like three hours till our
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: ride was coming. And he literally stood over in the
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: distance and put his wiener just into a glass of
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: vodka and held it in there.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I like the resourcefulness, though. I feel like that would work.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: That might be the cure.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Shout out to my buddy Michael from South Florida, dude.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: And he was an awesome guy. But anyway, that was
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: one place that we went.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Africa is a great place, man. It's wild. There's no
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: political stability anywhere on the continent, in my opinion. but
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: it's a great, it's just such a great continent. There's
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: so much wildlife. There's so much freedom. There's nothing you
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: can't do there.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: If you can dream it, you can do it. It's,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: which isn't always a good thing. Cause if you can
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: dream of taking over people's houses, you can do it,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: but it's, it's, it's a crazy cool place. Yeah.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Um, so you grow up in this wildlife. I mean,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: everything about Africa, it's so per like, even I remember
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: being there and like we would sleep at night with
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: the mosquito nets. Nature was just right there. It was
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: so much so that, I mean, I grew up in Louisiana.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: We had mosquitoes, but we didn't have the nets. You
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: had to keep these things. I mean, if some of
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: them were big, you almost needed the Brooklyn nets standing
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: there to block them off. You know what I'm saying?
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: But just the fact that nature's right there, you can
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: feel it breathing in the distance. It always feels like there.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: So you grew up in that dedicated, immersed in wildlife world.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: When did you kind of feel like you wanted to
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: have it as a career?
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Not until, I'll tell you, can I tell you a quick,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: funny story about mosquito nets? Yeah. So I grew up
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: in this farmhouse, right? Like all open windows, no air
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: conditioning or anything like that. Big open verandas and balconies
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: and stuff. And we were plowing a field when I
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: was probably nine or 10 years old, found a baby
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: monkey in the field, a little vervet monkey. Vervet? Vervet monkey.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: They call them vermin monkeys because they're like pest monkeys.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: And I scooped him up. I was like, what's wrong here?
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: That little guy right there.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He's doing blackface, too, first of all.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. He's got to do something about that.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Well, he may. He may just be lashing back at Drewski,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: who just did whiteface the other day.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Dude, I saw that. 200 million views or something. It
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: was funny, though. I don't know if it's bad or good,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: but it was funny. I think it's great. Dude, when
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: he's driving around, he rolls down his window. He's like,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: you lost, boy? The guy's like, no, sir. It was
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: so bad. And then he spits. And the funny thing is,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: he has that big hat on, so he has to
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: kind of move. He moves his head out the window. Dude,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: it's too much. I literally saw it this morning. I
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. But take me through your story. I'm sorry, man. No,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: you're good. About mosquito nets. Long story short, I rescue
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: this baby monkey. Turns out, and monkeys do this, his
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: mother abandoned him because he had a heart murmur, like
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: a bad heart condition. So he got dumped in the field, right?
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Because they do that, then they can have another baby,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: and it takes a long time to raise the baby, blah, blah, blah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: So I scoop up this little monkey named Chippy and
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: bottle feed him until his eyes open, the whole thing.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: And he ends up growing up and he's my bunk
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: bed mate. So he'd sleep on top of my mosquito net.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: You know how there's like a round coil and it
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: comes down on a mosquito net? Yes. He'd sleep up there.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: And every morning as I get out of bed, he'd
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: jump down off of that onto my shoulder. We'd go
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: down to breakfast and then he'd scamper off into the trees.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: And like- You know, that's a good depiction of like
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: how I grew up wild wise. Like I had a
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: monkey sleeping in my mosquito net with me, you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: like it was, it was awesome. Awesome childhood.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's just something about being there, especially when you're
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: in a safari house, like, like one of, you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: you get out into the bush and then sometimes you'll,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you'll stay at kind of like a, it's kind of
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: a hotel in a way.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: It was like kind of a lodge. Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: And some of them would be nice and some of
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: them would be very bare bones, but it was like, um,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you know, you'd have the animal skin rugs and you'd
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: have the nets and you just have a silence that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: was loud, but it's completely, it was like, God, it
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: was like the thickest silence that ever was made.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: That's such a good way to put it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It was so fascinating. And your story reminds me of
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: this guy. They had this guy. I want to say
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: his name was Marco. Oh, I'm thinking of a guy, Dr.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Wiggins.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: There was a guy, Dr. Wiggins, maybe John Wiggum. He,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: he had his child. He raised his child with a monkey.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, whoa.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: That's cool.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Winthrop Kellogg.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Winthrop Kellogg's experiment, commonly known as the ape and the child,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: involved raising a baby chimpanzee named Gua alongside his own
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: son Donald under identical conditions to study the effects of
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: environment versus hereditary undevelopment.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In 1931, Kellogg and his wife bought Gua, then
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: seven and a half months old, into their Florida home.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: It's always Florida. It's always Florida. There's nowhere else. Where
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: else are you raising a monkey and an ape and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: a kid together?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Florida, dude.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: It's got to be Florida. It's not like this is
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: happening in London. You know what I mean? It's always Florida.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: That's our Africa.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's our Africa.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: He ended their Florida home to grow up with Donald,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: their 10-month-old son. Both children were given the same care
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and subjected to daily scientific observations. Can we see a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: video of it?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: There's no way this kid grew up normal.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Look at the little shoes on them.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I know they put shoes on the champ.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Dude, are you kidding me? Do you ever just think
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I was born in the wrong era? Like, if I
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: was born in the 30s, I'd do this. Oh, for sure.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I'd have nine kids and five chimps, no problem. And
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I live in Florida.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was a different time. Look at them right here.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: They're trying different stuff with them.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Trying to put a hat on each of their head
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and then teach the monkey to keep it on its head.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: And he just keeps pulling it off the kid's head.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Do some tickling.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, that's nuts.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: And they're just tickling both of them. Yeah, if you
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: guys get to watch on the YouTube, I mean, this
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: is absolutely ridiculous.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It's bonkers. I've never heard of this. That's crazy.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: What were some of the findings? Can you go back?
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, here we go.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Gua learned many human behaviors. She dressed in clothes, walked upright.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Ooh, used a spoon. That's crazy.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Drank from a glass, opened doors, and imitated gestures of affection,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: sometimes outperforming Donald in motor skills and tasks. Um... The
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Kellogs concluded that there are definite limits to how much
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: non-human species can be humanized. Towards the end, Donald began
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: imitating Gua's chimpanzee vocalizations, raising concerns about potential language delays
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: for the human child. Wow, so the human also ended
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: up becoming more like the chimpanzee. Why did they end it?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Did they say why?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Because the chimp ate the kid's face. I know, dude.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's how these things always end.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: It really is, dude.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: It's like, there's no good coming of this.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Look, it's the same reason why we ended the pit
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: bull circus that we were doing in our backyard.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah. It ends one way.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Winthrop Kellogg concluded that while Ghoul behaved like a human
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: child in many ways, her physical and brain structure limited
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: how human she could become, confirming the experiment's demonstration of
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: hereditary limits. After the experiment, Ghoul was returned to a
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: primate center- and sadly died less than a year later.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Donald's later life was marked by tragedy as well, dying
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: by suicide at 43.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: God. That's not good.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: In short, the experiment ended due to concerns about Donald's
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: language development, Gua's increasing strength and behavior, yup, and the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: practical and ethical difficulties.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just, there's a whole argument for nurture
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: over nature, but at the end of the day, chimpanzee
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: is incredibly strong, they get violent, they're, The best way
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I think to describe it is when a chimpanzee sexually matures,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mentally mature past that of like a toddler.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: So when a three-year-old throws a temper tantrum, it's like
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: be quiet, you know, and you restrain them or whatever.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: When a full-grown chimpanzee throws a temper tantrum, it rips
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: you to shreds.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And it might not hate you or anything else. It's
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: just a temper tantrum. Right. The same as a two-
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: or three-year-old does, right?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's fascinating.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of interrupted you, though. You were going
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to– so you were talking about– We were going into.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, you know what you were saying? Sorry, I
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: don't want to interrupt you. You were talking about that
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: thick silence that you get in Africa. When you and
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I were texting last week and you were like, dude,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I'm overwhelmed at the moment. To me, that is the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: most like ground, that silence that you're talking about. That's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: what like brings me back, you know, because I'm on
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: my phone all day, too. I'm sure you are working
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and texting and emails and blah, blah, blah. That feeling, though,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that you just described, that thick silence, that being out
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: in the bush, you don't have to be in a
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: tent in the middle of nowhere. You can be in
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: a lodge or whatever. But being a little bit disconnected
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: from modern civilization and more connect, more plugged into the
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: bush and the wildlife, I think that's the most grounding thing, man.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think Africa, I do believe it feels
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: like makes like the purest form of it. I can't
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: explain it. I've tried to. Yeah. I mean, you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: it just I mean, they say it's the birthplace of civilization,
• 23:11
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• 23:12
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if there was an exact moment, but,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we came over to the States. We got
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  Speaker 2: kicked out of Zimbabwe, like I mentioned. Came over here,
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  Speaker 2: went on welfare, bounced around. I got in trouble a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch. Like, I felt very confined coming to the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: And then I came to Central California, or I'll actually
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  Speaker 2: start in Oakland, California, which went into government housing, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And long story short, I felt very, like, trapped, I guess.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Got in trouble a bunch. My mom moved us out
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: of Oakland before I got in really bad trouble. Went
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  Speaker 2: to a little town in central California called Cayucas. And
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  Speaker 2: it was great. Like surfer town, 2000 people. And I
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  Speaker 2: used to go diving and fishing all the time because
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: that felt like the wildest place to be. Like kind
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: of connected me sort of a little bit back to Africa.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And I think long story short, I met a girl,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I went to college, blah, blah, blah. But at some point, wildlife,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I'm one track mind. It's the only thing, wildlife and
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: rugby are the only two things I've ever really, really
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: cared about. So I was like so passionate about it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, well, I'm not going to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: be a safari guide in Cayucos, California. So I'll go
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to school to be a biologist. And that was sort
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: of the next best thing is like, I'll, I'll become
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: a scientific animal guy instead of a physical animal guy.
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  Speaker 2: And then ended up coming back to being a physical
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: animal guy.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you did, man.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Um, you have a new show, uh, that definitely like
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: sparked me up. It's animals on drugs.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: That's right. We were texting when I was in Columbia.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's on HBO Max as of like yesterday,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, dude. I was just like, dude, send me
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a GIF from Columbia so I can snort it, brother.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: But take me through this show, Animals on Drugs, because,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you know, they had like the cocaine bear. Uh-huh.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Cocaine bear, the movie. Cocaine bear.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: And then they have, I was trying to think of some, oh,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Cracoons would be good.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Cracoons. How did I not think of that as a title?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Cracoons.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Bro, what is, bro, what's in my- That's a no-brainer.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: What's that in your recycling bin?
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: You see a little bit of smoke coming up from
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the recycling bin?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the bin's vibrating. Yeah. Cracoons. He's like- Smiling. Cracoons.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I was thinking of Cracoons. I'm trying to
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: think of what else.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's actually a movie. I didn't even know that.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Cracoons is a movie or lying?
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: 2024 official trailer, Cracoons.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, so for that show, we capitalized on this,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: this hilarious thing that we're talking about. But the show
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: is legit. The reality is... Animals are getting into like
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: human substances across the world, right? Whether that's bears breaking
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: in to get on booze and getting hit by trains
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: and stuff because they're licking up booze off train tracks.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Just a whole story I can tell you. The cocaine
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: hippos in Colombia, like Pablo Escobar brought hippos over. They escaped.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Now there's 200 of them. They're going crazy because hippos
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: are not native there. Um, in Florida, we found an
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: alligator that actually tested positive for having meth in its
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: system because it was living in the cesspool behind a
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: meth house. Um, so that's what the show is about.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: It's about, it's really at its core, it's a show
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: about human-wildlife conflict. But, You don't get people to watch
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: a show called Human-Wildlife Conflict, but you do get them
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: to watch a show called Meth Gator. So that was
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: kind of what it was. Oh, yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Or Ketamice. That's what I was thinking.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Ketamice. There we go. Man, we need like four. You're
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: like the chat GPT of drug animals over here.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, you see a mice go in a hole.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: What about a K-hole?
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: A K-hole. He's just old.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: He's surrounded by cheese, but he can't even swallow. Um, no,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: well take me through some of that. Like, so, so
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: take me through the Escobar one. Is that when I
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: was texting you in Columbia?
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: What was that trip like down there?
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I had this idea to do that
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: show a long time ago and really originally I just
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: wanted to go work on the hippo problem in Columbia.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: So for context, Pablo Escobar brought hippos to his personal
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: zoo called Hacienda Napolis in the 90s.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Because he just wanted big animals?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he built this insane place down there. And so
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: he brought in giraffes and elephants and lions and all
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: this stuff. When he died in 99, 93, when he
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: died in 93, the Colombian government came in and they
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: had a shootout, he died, whatever. Then they came in
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: there like, we'll take the lions, we'll take the giraffes,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: we'll take whatever. oh, we can't do anything about these hippos.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Like hippos are gnarly. People think of hippos like Fantasia, Happy, whatever.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Hippos are gnarly animals. And so the hippos, they let out.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: They're angry? Super hungry.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Not angry, I said.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: No, they are. They're just very territorial, very defensive. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: think on my Instagram, there's clips of them charging me
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: at the fence and stuff. But anyway, these hippos got
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: out four of them. Now there's over 200. There's no
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: predators because it's Colombia, not Africa. There's no lions to
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: eat them. There's no crocodiles to eat them. There's unlimited food,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: and they're killing people and injuring people.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: But some of them have also ingested cocaine.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Well, there was a rumor that Pablo Escobar used to
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: feed them coca leaves to make them more aggressive to
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: kill his enemies, which is a really cool legend. Whether
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: it's true or not, I have no idea.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Anyway, the Colombian government and I have been, so, you know,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I work on these kind of large scale animal projects.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: So I, I started speaking with the Colombian government about
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: this when there was like a hundred hippos, like four
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: or five, six years ago. And they're like, please help.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: We're underfunded. We're understaffed. We need whatever help we can
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: get to help mitigate this problem. So people, Columbia don't
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: want to kill the hippos. They like them. They've created
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: a tourist, uh, like a tourism industry around them. There's
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: like kind of cute, the whole town there. Um, We're Hacienanapolis,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I'm blanking on the name of it now. It's like
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: hippo theme. There's like hippo statues everywhere. They've created like
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: a thing around them.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: But so they're dangerous, but also it's part of the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: culture now?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So it's a weird thing where it's like, okay,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: there's this huge invasive species that's super dangerous, but the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: average people love them. Like the people from Medellin will
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: take weekend trips to go see them and they don't
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: want to kill them, but they don't want them to
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: get worse because they'll hurt people. So what do you do?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: So we went down there and worked with the Colombian government,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: with Coronare, which is the organization down there, And we
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: came up with this sort of threefold approach, which doesn't
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: kill them. So it's castrating them, chemically castrating them, sterilizing
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: them and relocating them. So I went down there with
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the tranq rifles and chemicals and vets and all these
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: things and cotton. caught and snipped nuts off of hippos. Yeah.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Chemically castrating. So take me on that. Are you finding
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: them in the wild?
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: So we build Bomas, which are like giant, like funnel
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: traps basically. And then we bait them in with giant
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: bags of carrots and beets and things like that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Boma it's called?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There might be one on my Instagram. You might
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: be able to find it.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Do y'all sneak up on them?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So you, you, you sneak up on them.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: You find, yeah, that's like a Boma, that second picture there.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: So a boma trap, it's kind of like a kennel.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And you put a lot of good snacks in there?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: You put all the goodies in there and you make
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: a trip wire so that when they go in, the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: door closes. And then they go nuts, you know, and
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: they start banging against the fence and blah, blah, blah.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: So we're catching these hippos. It was super fun. And
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: the little ones, you can chemically castrate with a chemical
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: called gonicon, meaning basically you shoot them with this dart
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: and the chemical goes in and it stops them from
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: ever sexually maturing. So they grow up, but they don't,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: if you go to that one on the far right there, Oh,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: there's me doing surgery in the middle of the night. Yeah.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Is this a castration surgery?
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, castration surgery.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: So this is surgery right here. So you guys have
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: a hippo here that's been sedated?
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: So this was a large female. She had four offspring
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: with her. We chemically castrated all the four offspring with
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the gonicon, that chemical. Okay.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: So gonicon, you inject it. So now, are those asleep
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: as well?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: No. So them, you can do awake. But the gonicon
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: only works if you're pre-sexually mature. Once you hit adolescence,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: it's too late. The effects would just wear off. So
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that's me darting them right there. I kind of saw
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: it for a split second.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you can dart them with the gonicon and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt them?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: No, it's just like getting a shot.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And they can't have children?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: They can never have children.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Do they care or they're okay with it?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think they know, to be honest. I think
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: they still get all the fun.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: But then the adults, that doesn't work on. So we
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: have to go into the bush and catch the adults.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: And then actually perform surgery on them, which is what
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: that video was, which is much harder to do.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: What do you have here? Pause it for me.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: So that's the mouth of a hippo held open with
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: a piece of like metal pipe between the tusks. Oh
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: my gosh. And then a breathing tube going into its diaphragm.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Can you smell their breath while they're breathing?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Is it pretty intense or is it okay? Okay.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And they mostly eat, well, they primarily eat vegetation, so
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: it's not too bad, but it's.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Kind of like horse breath. Like being in a salad
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: bar or something?
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they got some stuff in their teeth.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: It's hot. Like you get your head up in there
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and it's like, with this big, hot, sticky breath coming out. Wow,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: that's crazy.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: And so you have their mouth probably open, they're asleep.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And so what do you do then in order to,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: because you have to castrate them a different way.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the males are easy. You just grab the nuts,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: lop them off, sew it up, right? Takes a few
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: minutes from when they go to sleep.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: And you reach in through their mouth to do it? No,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you just go downstairs. Well, why are y'all doing this then?
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: That's just to keep them breathing and alive. So see,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: there's a pipe in the bottom right there, bottom left.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: That's a breathing tube. So that's just keeping them breathing.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: But this is a female. So females are way harder.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: You have to make an incision that's like this long.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: reach in there, feel for the gonads, snip them, quarterize them,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: pull them out and then close her back up. And
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: if you don't close her up perfectly, one stitch breaks,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: water floods in there, get an infection and die. So
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: it's got, it's a, it's like a 12 hour process
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: per animal. Really? Yeah. It's a big, and you have
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: to do it at night because it's so hot. If
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: you do it during the day, they overheat in the
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: sun because it's Columbia. So like you catch them, keep
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: them as calm as you can until like 9 PM.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Then you start putting them to sleep and work all
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: night and release them at like four or five in
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the morning.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And so how many people does it take to really
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: pull this off? Honestly, honestly, we probably had a team
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: of 30.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a big to do. Is it exciting? So exciting.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get goosebumps talking about it. Cause it's
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: just like, it's high adrenaline. The hippo is trying to
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: kill you. You're, you're racing the clock before the sun
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: comes up. You can't over anesthetize the hippo. Cause then
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: it dies. And if we kill one, the freaking Colombians
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: are going to kill us. You know what I mean?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Not really, but there'll be so upset. My career is over.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: If I kill a hippo giving certain my career is over, right?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I'm canceled across everything. So it's like, it's like all
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: this action and adrenaline. It doesn't sound exciting because you're
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: spending 12 hours like with your elbows deep in a hippo,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: but it's, it's really exciting. Yeah.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's, it certainly seems high energy, especially since
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: there's other people there and you guys are all locked
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: in with this one mission. Oh yeah. It seems like
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: that game. Remember that game operation you played as a kid?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: It seems like that, but like the highest level.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, exactly.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It's fun, man. It's cool.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Wow, dude, that's incredible. So, uh, so that was the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: experience of going down there and And those animals, the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: drug relationship was that Escobar brought them over. And so
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that's why they're there. And so that gets you into
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: that whole universe of hippos in Columbia.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's not that the hippos are doing lines, you know,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: it's just that they got brought here through the drug
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: trade and it's like a vessel to tell that story.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: And that's network TV. That's cable, right? I'm on discovery.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: That's how you do it on discovery.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's exciting.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: And it's, you know, it's cool.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: It's cool, man. Nobody else is doing that stuff on TV,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: you know, like get to catch hippos and show the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: world how you cut their nuts off and Like this
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: whole like backstory on Pablo Escobar. And I mean, it's like,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: it's like a rodeo, you know, it's cool. Yeah. I
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: like it anyway.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, it's fascinating to me. And do you get
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: to keep any of the animals nuts or not?
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Dude, I wanted to, but in order to travel with
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: animal parts, you have to have CITES permits, which is
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: this international conservation thing. Oh yeah. I wanted a jar
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: of hippo nuts on my shelf so bad, so bad,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: but I left them all in Columbia. Oh yeah.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Dude, you can't even fly out of Hawaii with an avocado.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Nope. Nope, same thing. Yeah, so imagine trying to explain.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Especially in Colombia, you know, I got them like wrapped
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: up in a little bit of paper towel, tucked under
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: my dirty underwear. They're like, what's that? It's like, yeah,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: that's going to be hard to explain.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: But hey, I think they'll be glad that it's not cocaine.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: They'll be like, oh, dude, yeah, he said there's a
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: couple kilos of fucking hippo nuts.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: It's Bam Bam, but a different kind, yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Dude, I remember we went on a, I remember in
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: South Africa, we had, I was there performing one time,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I bet you're huge in South Africa. Dude, we actually
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: did really good there. I haven't been there in forever.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I need to go back. Because that's being very familiar
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: with that culture. Your style of comedy is so on
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: brand for that South Africa audience, I think. But sorry,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean to interrupt you.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: No, I need to go. And I think it's been
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: my favorite country that I've ever been to.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Let's go, man. I'll take you around. I'll show you
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the bush side of it. Dude. Let's go. You do
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: a show, and then we'll go out into the bush,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: catch some animals, work with some creatures. It'd be rad. Yeah.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: That would be really cool. Yeah, man.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Dude, one of my goals I was even going to say,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this yesterday, is I want to
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: get more involved with nature, like fishing, hunting, just learning
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: how to be able to survive myself out in the
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: woods over the next two years.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: It's such a grounding thing, Theo. I don't want to
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: be all ethereal, but it makes you so connected to
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: the planet. It's such a good feeling when you feel
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: self-sufficient out in nature. Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want that. I think it would just allow
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: me a different level of peace, you know, and a
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: different level of like I don't have to be so
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: attached to like these more worldly things because I know
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: that would be OK. You know, like a level of
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: like confidence.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: You get confidence. You get such natural confidence and you
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: the outside. I don't know if you're like this, but,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm also not to your degree, but I'm
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: in the public light as well. Mm hmm. I read
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: these like negative comments on YouTube or whatever. And I
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: like get in my own head and I'm like, fuck,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: that sucks. Like, why do these people not like this
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: or whatever you got in nature? There's no time for that. Yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: You know, you're there, you're, you're working on the fish
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: you're trying to catch or the bird you're trying to
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: hunt or the animal you're trying to save. And that's
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: what you're on. You're not checking your phone. You're not
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: looking at tweets or YouTube comments. You're just there. Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: There's not like some little, like a, bear cub in
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the distance on his phone.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: This loser's trying to hunt me, he don't know, yeah.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: You're like, I'm trying really hard!
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Now that would be cool, actually, if animals were like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: look at these bitches trying to hunt us, and they can't.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: You're like sitting in the blind, he's behind you taking
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: a photo, he's like, look at this loser. That would
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: actually be awesome, dude.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Um, but no, I do. I just, yeah, I think
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I'm missing out on a piece of existence and I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: can kind of start to feel that I didn't realize
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it for a long time, but I can start to
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: feel it more and more. Um, But that would be great, dude.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I'd love to put a show up over there and
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: then we go do something cool.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Let me know, man. I'm going to be in Zimbabwe
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: at the end of October doing a big animal rescue.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know what your schedule is like. I'm sure
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that's pretty soon. But, you know, let me know.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: What I could try to put a show up because
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I wanted to go to like London anyway to interview this.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: There's a guy who's a professor who specializes in genocides.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: OK, that's that's deep.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's kind of just interesting, you know? So
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to learn about why that happens over time. Sure.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Because you would think that after a while in existence,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: we would get past that, you know?
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. The modern brain is like, we can't wipe
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: out a group of people.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Apparently not.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like every article is always like, you can
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: never do this again. And then it's like, hey, but
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: we can do it.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: We're working on it. Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: But then it's like, you know, in the end you
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: come back to some sort of survival and sometimes survival
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: is a sickness, I think, in people too, in a way,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: you know? What do you mean?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Like, how is it a sickness in people?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Well, just the fact that you would, you would, throughout history,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: there's been genocides and the people have annihilated other cultures.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, it used to be of like a flat,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a badge of honor.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Totally. Like, look what I did.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Like conquering and stuff like that. And that's, Kind of.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Who's to say that that's right or wrong? I'm judging
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: it through my perspective today. But at the time, it
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: was probably the most regal thing, you know?
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: But doesn't it go back to, and this is not
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: my area of expertise, I'm not an anthropologist, but didn't,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: we're homo sapiens, right? Didn't homo sapiens wipe out like
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the two other hominids? You know what I mean? I
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: don't know if you can fact check that, but I
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: think there was homo sapiens- Homo florencius and Homo something else.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: And Homo sapiens were like, nah, we got to get
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: rid of these other guys. You know, and that's like
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: what we stemmed from. If I'm not, you know, yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: What is it with Neanderthals? And I don't know.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Let me see what it says. Oh, we were just
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: talking about this the other day. The Denisovans were out-competed
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: by Homo sapiens, but proof of a direct wipeout is absent.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. There you go.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Instead, limited resources and climate changes played significant roles. But
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: who knows? I'm sure. people got super tribal back then.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: One person could have had fire and they're like, we got,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: we got to kill these people before they come and
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Burn them.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: They're going to take our fire.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: We, we cannot let them take our fire. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: but there you go. I'm wrong. So I, I, I
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: didn't know that, but I thought there was that competition
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: at play.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: At least you were wrong. I don't even have a
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: shot at that information. So at least you're firing off. Um,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: you've had, uh, You've had some, thanks so much for coming, dude.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: This is awesome. Of course, bro.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: It's so much fun.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. I want to get you out there
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: or at least see you go out there into nature
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: and get connected with it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I would love to. I think the South Africa thing
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: is the thing.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Let's do it, dude.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's big and I love South Africa and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I would love to go over there for a show
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and just get to have a new experience there. And
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: then just thinking what type of thing would I want
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: to do. I did get to swim with sharks there once.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Nice. Which was pretty cool. Hans Bay of like Seal Island. Yeah,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: that's cool. Yeah, dude. That's rad.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Bro, it was super scary. It almost felt... It was
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: just unbelievable. We laid out there in that sun, dude.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I got the craziest sunburn.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Got crisped, yeah. I mean, like... The colors of like
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: fluid were just- Like purples and yeah. I know what
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: you're talking about, man.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: You're like, what lagoon has been launched by the sun
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: on my face? Because we went out with like some
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: dude who I think he was just a mechanic who
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: had like a couple hours on his lunch break.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, yeah, we'll make it work. That's South
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Africa for you, yeah. He's like, I got a boat. Yeah,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: we'll figure it out. Yeah. Dude, I mean, there was
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: no cut. We're just laying, I mean, in the boiling heat. Yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: But we got in those cages in the round circular
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: cage and we got in and some sharks came. One
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: of them got stuck between two cages.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, no way.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: In the boat.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Oh, cool.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: That's rad, dude.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: It was hairy. I got to reach through and touch
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: one of them right on the head.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I can see you getting fired up on it. That's
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: the best thing about like an adult reconnecting with nature.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Not to say you're totally disconnected, but you get this
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: kid-like enthusiasm and sense of wonder that's been gone since
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: you were like seven years old looking at earthworms. You
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: remember when you're a kid, you flip over a log,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: you're like, whoa, dad, look at this earthworm, you know?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: That goes away because you become an adult and then
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: you get back into it and you're like, oh, that
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: never really went away. I just like went a different direction. Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Sorry.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: What were you saying?
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: No, dude.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: No, that's such an important thing to say. That never
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: went away. I just went a different direction.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Because, yeah, sometimes I think I even romanticize it like
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: so much of like childhood stuff is gone, but there's
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: ways that it's still there. It's just like, yeah, you
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: went a different direction, and that's okay.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: But you can always go right back. That's the best thing.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: That's what I think.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: That's what I think, yeah. Soon we'll get you cutting
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: off hippo nuts. Dude.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, the thing I was going to tell you was
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: we went on a safari one day. There was like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: some diamond miner, right? Like some very rich guy like,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: some guy who was just fucking being rich or whatever.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Like I tapped him on the shoulder. I was like,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? And he's like, being rich.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: He couldn't even fucking, you know. You don't even know.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Dude, I saw him yawn once and he had $ 40.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Right after he yawned, he had $ 40 in his hand.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: It just fell out of his mouth. He's like, oh,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: that's where I put that. He had just that kind
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: of wealth. But he took us to, he had his
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: own animal sanctuary somewhere.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: And they took us there and we got to just
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: go see, um, a lot of endangered species, like the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: big five.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, sick.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: And a lot of endangered species. We just got to
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: go look at them. Um, and then, uh, six weeks
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: later in my inbox, in my email, I get an
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: email from him. He goes, Oh, that's it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: That's it. Oh, that's brutal. Oh, the Rhino. Yeah.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And this, I cannot believe you just found this. And, uh,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And he sent me this picture and he goes, the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: rhinos that you guys went and saw a few weeks ago,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: poachers came in the night and cut their horns off.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: It's so brutal, man. It's an ongoing war over there
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: for the rhino ivory thing. Yeah, it's brutal. Things like
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: this are important. You posting it, you know, to an
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: audience that's not tuning in for animals that goes, holy shit,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: that's bad. That's really cool. It's really important that people
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: realize that. It's shock.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Because you hear about it.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: But then I was like, oh, my God, the ones
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: that we were looking at that we were so like
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: enthralled by. Yeah. And they were their whole body is
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: left there in this one piece of them.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Cut their face off.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Crazy.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That's a bummer, man. Good for you for
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: sharing it, though. I really think that's great.
• 46:33
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• 46:34
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• 46:47
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• 46:52
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  Speaker 1: at valorrecoverycoaching.com. Thank you. What are some close encounters that
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: you've had with animals out there, man, that almost sometimes
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, you know, that gets that childhood engine, like,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: you know, just really revs it into the red area.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not an adrenaline junkie, or at least I like
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: to pretend I'm not, right? But I get that rush
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: when something like that happens. Literally, the hippo thing, I
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: had a hippo charge me out of the water there.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: It was crazy, and everybody scrambled. I had an instance
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: where one of the craziest ones I never forget, the
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: one that always comes to the top of my mind.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: We were in Australia, and we were interviewing people in
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: this aboriginal village way up north in far north Queensland.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: And as we're talking to people, I hear people screaming, shouting, rah!
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: And I look over and there's this guy holding a
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: cinder block over his head like this. And he's about
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: to throw it. I'm like, wait, wait, wait. And I
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: run over and there's a coastal taipan, which is one
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: of the most venomous snakes in the world. Big brown snake.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: And he's about to smash it with this rock. And
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, wait, wait. I'll catch it and move
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: it for you. This thing right here. It's a big one.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: It's like five, six feet long. And so the guy,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: this aboriginal guy is about to smash it. I'm like, wait, wait.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I'll catch it and move it for you. And he's like, okay, whatever.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: And the snake disappears under the house, right? There's like
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: a house on like, kind of like Louisiana where they
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: elevate the houses a little bit, you know, down south there.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Because Satan's right under them.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so there's, you know, they're up on
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: like cinder blocks or posts or whatever.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Dude, that makes me so scared, a snake under the house.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: So the snake disappears under the house and the guy's
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: like kind of mad at me. He's like, what the fuck, man?
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I could have killed the snake. Now it's in the neighborhood,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: you know, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, let me
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: handle it. Like, I'll take care of it. I'm sorry.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: And it all happened really quick. So I grabbed my
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: flashlight and I grabbed, grabbed my snake hook or whatever.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: And I go looking for the snake and my camera
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: guys are filming. We're filming a show of extinct or alive.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: It's a show I did on animal planet a while ago. Yeah.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: We're going to get into that in a minute. Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: And, um, and my camera guys are filming. I look
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: from one side of the house. Not yet, but I'm looking,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like crouched down looking and I see the snake
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: in like the far back corner. And I'm like, oh,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: he's right there by the stairs. Come with me, like
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: we'll go get him. So I grab my light and
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I jog around the side of the house and I
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: stick my head through the like slats in the stairs.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: They're like this far apart, right? So I can just
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: kind of wiggle my head and shoulders in. And I
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: know the snake's over here because I've just seen him
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: from the other side of under the house. I'm like,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: he's right over here. So I wiggle in, I turn
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: my light on, my headlamp, whatever it was, and I
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: turn to the side and I'm like, fuck, where's that snake?
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: I can't see him. And all of a sudden I
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: just feel like this on the back of my neck.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: The snake has gone around to the other side and
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: he's moving around. These snakes are fast. And he's literally
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: licks the side of my neck. You know how snakes
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: stick their tongue out like that? And then he starts
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: crawling over my neck and I just freeze. And like,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: you see the hair on my arms right now. Like
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: it rattled me. Cause one bite, I was like 14
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: hours from a hospital. from one of the most venomous
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: snakes in the world, a relatively aggressive snake, and I
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: just freeze. I just stop moving.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: One bite, everybody knows the rules.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Thanks, Dave. And yeah, so I just,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: I freeze while the snake fully slithers up over my
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: neck and then comes and coils up like three feet
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: from my head over here, and then I like slowly
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: back out. we ended up catching him 10, 15 minutes later,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: moving it, blah, blah, blah. But that moment where the
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: snake like licked my neck right behind my ear there.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: And then I started to feel like the underside of
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: his mouth go on my neck. I was like, that's it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Like I can't move. I can't do anything. I'm dead.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Like it's going to realize it's sitting on top of
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: a warm human and that it's been chasing him and
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: just go and that's it. I'm finished. I was, I
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: was the most rattled I think I've ever been coming
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: out of that.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I was just so like on edge while that snake
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: was crawling over me.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: As you're saying that, I can feel my glands almost like,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: just like.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Tighten up. Yeah. Dude, it was a horrible, horrible feeling.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: And that, that's my fault. You know what it is.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: And it's so, the fact that it's something so subtle,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: it's almost like a Dracula of just being right there.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: And the hardest part was my stomach dropped and your
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: instinct is like, pull out, you know, like panic immediately,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: get away. And if I had done that, if I
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: had even jolted, I think it would have just been,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: you know, and so I just had to try, like,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: it felt like, like 10 minutes and it was probably
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: 10 seconds that it went over my neck for, but
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I was just sitting there like, please, please, please, please.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: And then it went over. It was crazy, man. It
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: was a terrible, terrible feeling. And it was very like novel,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: naive of me to go in and just stick my
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: head in and like, be like, I'll be your hero.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I'll help. It was stupid. You know, it was just stupid.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: And I learned from that experience so much so that
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I've done it again a dozen times, but like, I
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: try not to be that stupid anymore, you know? Yeah.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: It's funny how sometimes ego and even knowledge can become
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit of ego. Like enough knowledge makes you
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: think confident, you know, confidence can just teeter over the
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: edge of, um, of, uh, wisdom in a way.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: You know, the fulcrum of that is so fine tuned
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: that yes, it's like, it's almost like when you're like,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing and then immediately.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: You get checked by just by existence. Well, confidence is complacency, right?
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: So you're like, I got this step aside. That means
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I'm complacent. If I even have that attitude going into it,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: it means I'm not fully focused.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Like, and, and that, uh, time and time again, every
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: narrow miss I've ever had, which is not that many,
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: but there's been a few is because I've been, first
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: of all, I've put myself in that scenario. It's not
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the animal's fault, right? This wasn't the snake's fault that
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I stuck my head under the, the, the house. But
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: it's always because I'm overly confident to the point of
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: being complacent. Like, yeah, I can stick my head in here.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: I'll find the snake. You know, it's right. It's stupid. Right.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, let me show like it's not even like
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: let me show off. There's a part of you that
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: gets so comfortable that it almost just shows off because it's.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Well, can I show you something?
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Do you mind? Sorry to ask you to do this.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Do you mind pulling up the last YouTube video I
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: just posted on my YouTube channel? I don't want to
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: dog-leg us too long, but I'll show you where the
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: snake almost got me recently. And again, it's a result of, sorry,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: it's the one with that silly crocodile thing. Yeah, right
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: near the end, maybe the last two or three minutes there, Yeah,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: right here. So, look. So, I'm holding this snake. This
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: is a Fertilance, the deadliest snake in the Americas. Responsible
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: for more deaths than any other snake in the Americas.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Now, where did you find this at, brother?
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Costa Rica. Ooh. Yeah. And so, I'm holding this snake.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: And this is the deadliest snake in South America?
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: In the Americas, total. Across all Canada, United States, South America,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Central America.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: It's a big snake, too.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Huge one. Biggest one I've ever seen. And for no
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: reason at all, because it's a stupid YouTube video he's
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: peeing on me, I'm like, I'm going to pin it
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: and hold it behind the head. Now watch here. I'm
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: holding it and I'm showing off like we just talked about,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: telling the camera all about, you know, this is this
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: deadly snake and this many people a year die from it.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: And you got to be careful because of how they hide, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: And I start to loosen my grip here. See how
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I'm looking to the side and I'm jabbering to the camera.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: So my grip's starting to loosen. Now watch what the
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: snake does when he feels my grip loosen. Coming in
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: the next few seconds, I don't wanna bore you, but.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: You can almost see him. He's side-eyeing me right now.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: And this is complacency, because I'm busy presenting to a
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: camera like an idiot, talking about how deadly the snake is,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: and I'm adjusting my grip, I'm not paying attention. Here
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: it comes any second here. Look at that. So he
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: starts to open his mouth.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Oh!
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: See how close that is? That was me. Boots are up.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Dude, I'm ready for the coffin.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Look at that. Look at that. Oh, that is so
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: close to my hand with that fang. Those fangs are
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: two and a half inches long. So he was maybe
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: a quarter of an inch from getting me, and that
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: would have been my hand gone.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Play that one more time. Play that strike again.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: There's that slow-mo strike just a few seconds back here.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Look at this.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Boom!
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: And what.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: What method did he use to be able to make
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: himself have the torque to do that?
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: So if I had been holding the snake perfectly, he
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: couldn't have done that. But I'd been holding him for
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: two or three minutes, talking to the camera, showing off
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: because it's stupid YouTube. And I had loosened my grip
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: and slowly slipped down so much so that he had
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: leverage in his neck. So that was the problem. It's
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: my fault.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: His ground game was better.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: His ground game was strong. He would have whooped me. Yeah,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: and it was close, man. If I hadn't dropped him
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: right there, I'm talking another half second, and that would
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: have been just one nick, one fang into the hand.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: That's definitely the finger gone, maybe my hand, you know?
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: When a snake bite happens, what is, like, and especially
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: when it's one that's as venomous as this one you're saying?
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, highly venomous.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: How quickly can someone really lose like an appendage or
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: something from that or potentially die?
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Like how real is that? Well, it all depends, right?
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: It's like saying what happens if I get stung by
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: a bee? Well, are you allergic to a bee? How
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: much venom did the bee put in you?
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Got it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: If you and I get stung by a bee, we're
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: going to react completely differently, right? My hand might swell
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: up like a balloon. You might have a tiny little
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: mosquito bite itch. So every human body responds differently to venom.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: And then there are multiple types of venom. And then
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: there are cocktails of venom. So there's cytotoxic, hemotoxic, and neurotoxic,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: like brain, location, organ failure, different. And then there's cocktails.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: So some snakes have a cocktail of like location venom
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: and organ venom. And some have respiratory venom. And so
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: it's just crazy. That's why antivenom is such a difficult
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: thing because there's so many different kinds of snakes, so
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: many different cocktails of venom. People all react differently to it.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: An allergy to venom means you're going to die almost
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: no matter what. Like it's just, it's a crazy, like,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: variable of things.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Wow. But in that case, I would have been in
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: big trouble. God, dude. So don't do that. When we
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: go back to the cool animal stuff, don't do that stuff.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Are there moments where you feel like some animals are
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: of God and some animals are of Satan? Do you
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: ever feel like that?
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Hippos are of Satan.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: They're such angry freaking animals. And there's a few animals
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: like that, like cassowaries, if you know what they are,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: big velociraptor looking birds. There's a few animals that just
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not very religious, so I'm using that
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: term as jokingly, but there are some animals that just
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: have terrible attitudes. Scroll down real quick. Check out that
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: one where he's kicking. I saw it a second ago.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: He's kicking the guy's board. Like, look at that. You know,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: these things just come at you. They've got these talons,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: this head. Hippos are the same. If a hippo sees you,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: it's going to charge. A Cape buffalo, like in Africa,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: they call them the black death because when they smell
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: you or see you, they don't think about running. They
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: just think about charging. And it's just some animals just
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: have this attitude. And I don't think it's an ethereal thing.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's that... hippos and Cape buffalo and cassowaries.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: They've grown up with tons of predators. Historically, they've been hunted.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: So they're defensive instead of their fight or flight is
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: just a fight response. Got it. Do you know what
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I mean? Like that's the way to explain.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: And that is, that is just scary to work with
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: those animals because at any given time, they're going to
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: turn on you versus run away from you.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Have you encountered, like, I'm sure whenever you get out
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: into these worlds of animalia and some of these worlds
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: where you probably don't even speak the language, Have you
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: encountered people that are as dangerous as the animals?
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Way worse. People are always, every close call we've ever,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, not including those snake things or whatever,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: but every time that I've really felt threatened, which isn't
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: like an instant spur of the moment. When you feel
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: threatened from an animal, it's like, okay, it nearly bit me.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: That's over. When you feel threatened on a whole, it's
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: because humans. are so unpredictable. A good example is you're
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: working in a country that has political unrest and they
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: know that you've got money because you've got cameras or whatever.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: And now the government's got to get you. The mafia
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: is going to get you. They've sent, you know, we
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: had this instance in Myanmar where the government wanted to
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: get us for having a drone and we had to
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: flee and like, Those are the scariest things, is the
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: human element. And of all the places I've ever been,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: and I know this is an anomaly, but of all
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: the places I've ever been, Papua New Guinea, the last
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: time I went to Papua, I've only been once, but
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: the time I went to Papua New Guinea, in 14 days,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: I saw two people get hacked by machetes. I was
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: only there for two weeks. God. I mean, that's how
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: like violent that society is. And it's a very tribal
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: culture and things. One was in the capital of Port Moresby.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: The other was actually near to this place. This is
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: a real picture here? Yeah, real picture. And what's the
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: place called?
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I stepped on you.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: This was near to Tufi, an area called Tufi, yeah.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: So how do you know when you're meeting? I mean,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: this is a tribe, right?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: And they were lovely. A little bit scary at first,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: but it was the town people that were the problems,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: that were high on betel nut and been drinking and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: fighting and those kind of things. But- This was a tribe.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: You see the guy on the left of me that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: has the shark mask on? So this was a tribe
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: that had a very special that's shark jaws on his face. Wow.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: It looks like Otis Nixon a little bit.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: A good athlete, too. But yeah, this was great. Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: So this tribe had a special relationship with shark fishing.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: So we went to seek them out to try and
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: find these sharks. And we went and like got in
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: this burial cave where they kept human skulls, the whole thing.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: But then they took us to the village and we
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: sat with this guy. The craziest part is these guys'
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: names are like John Thomas and Thomas Johnson. And because
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: the missionaries have all been through there.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Like Collier Anthony.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Yes. It's insane, dude. They all have these like British name.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Dear William. Yeah. It's so– you like meet this guy
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: and he's like looks all intimidating and stuff. And then
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: he introduces himself as like Paul Johnson. And you're like– Okay, yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his name is Philip Banks.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so strange.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. You're like, that's a crazy name.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Philip Banks, there he goes. Yeah, what a happy-looking dude, though. Oh,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: he was, man. He definitely was happy. That guy was
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: a great character. He passed away a few years back. Oh, shame.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, dude. Yeah, so that would just be the
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: scariest thing. Have you gotten into a situation where you
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: had to pay to get out of it?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Many. I try not to advertise that because it's truly bribes.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: It really is. There's no other way to put it.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: And it's so funny, dude, I've never shared this. When
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: you get back from a shoot, usually my expeditions are
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: funded by Discovery Channel or Animal Planet or something. And
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: then you submit a cost or an expense report. And
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: they're like, what's this $ 4, 000 for? And you're like, groceries,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: you know, because you like handed somebody a stack of 4,000
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: bucks cash to not, you know, take your car tires
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: or something. And you're like, yeah, I just got to
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: lie about that. You know, like there's, you can't write
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: bribe money on the invoice. Yeah.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Well, it just goes to show that at every level
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: of existence, right? Whether it's like a first world, third world,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: 50th world, there's this, there's a checks and balances system
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: of capitalism so often.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: And it's, and that doesn't even change. You can be
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: in the shittiest place in the world. You pull up,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: you park your car. There's a guy that's going to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: walk up and he's like for $ 4, I'll make sure
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: your car is there when you get back.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: And it's just, that's the cost of doing business. And
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: if you don't pay the $ 4, you better believe your
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: windows are getting smashed, you know? And you, you, you,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: it's funny cause you talk to these guys in these
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: offices at the networks or whatever, and they don't get
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: what you just said. And you're like, no, no, I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: had to do that. Otherwise there'd be no, like they
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: would have smashed the windows, taken all the cameras, you know?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, why did you have to bribe them?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: It's like, how do you not understand this? Like it's,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: it's commerce, you know, like this is how the world
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: works outside of LA. That's perfect, man.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Um, you mentioned a little bit ago, one of your
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: shows extinct or alive or alive. Yeah. What, what was
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: one of your most surprising discoveries while shooting extinct or alive?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the tortoise in that cover image from season two,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: that was probably the biggest one. We went to this
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: island in the Galapagos that basically nobody goes to called Fernandina.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: That species of tortoise hadn't been seen in 114 years,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: and only one specimen in history had ever been recorded
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: 114 years prior by the California Academy of Sciences. So
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: to date, that animal that I'm holding in that picture,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: which has been doctored for the trailer poster thing, is
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: the rarest animal in the world. There's only one known
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: individual of that species and that's her right there. Damn.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: And it's a woman, huh?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: It's a girl.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Her name's Fern. Some, yeah.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Women though, they, they, they, they're survivors. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: They do chicks are like, we're talking about survival and stuff.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Girls are so much better at it than guys. It's
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: not even close.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Is that in the animal kingdom as well?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was talking about humans, but yeah, probably
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: in the animal kingdom too. I mean, like, I feel like, Females, girls, women, whatever,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: they have more to fight for because they have kids
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: to protect. Whereas a male, I'll just make more kids.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I'm not investing all of
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: my body energy into raising this one young. I'll just
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: go find another mate. I'm talking on a very base
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: evolutionary level.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: It's just like, I'm going to spread my seed. Whereas
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: it's incredible how tenacious and hardy female animals, women, everything are.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, I think, and also men have that, they
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: have testosterone in them that like, you know, it's that
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going to put my hand in the fire. Exactly.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: So right there, you're going to lose 30% of dudes
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: right there because they're trying to taste a fucking car
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: that's going by.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Stick my tongue out.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Let me look right here. In the animal kingdom, are
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: females generally better at survival than males? We looked at
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: it on perplexity. That's what we like to use. females
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: in the animal kingdom are generally better at survival than males.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: In a large-scale study of 101 wild mammal species, females
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: lived an average of 18% longer than males and more
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: than 60% of those species. For most mammals, including species
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: like elephants, lions, and seals, females surpass males in longevity.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: The difference in lifespan between the sexes is often more
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: pronounced in the animal kingdom than in humans, where women
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: live about 7.8% longer than men.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: We're expendable. Yeah. Like think if there's one guy and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: 100 girls, you're repopulating the planet.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: If there's 100 guys and one woman, you're not. You
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like we are expendable. Males across
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: all species for the most part are expendable. Fuck. Sorry, bro.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: No, I just– I felt something was– I knew something
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: was off.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: Damn it. Should have been a check.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I know. I just got to– I got to wander
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: around with a– I got to get some new knee pads.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to get some– Protective armor.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Gotta get some new knee pads.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: I gotta get some protective armor, dude, that's for sure.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: The idea that you're gonna find extinct species is such like,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: it's a cool sport, right?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Because it's like, it's chasing this Atlantis in a way,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: kind of.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: It's the most ultimate hunting, form of hunting. You're looking
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: for the rarest thing in the world, so much so
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: that the whole world thinks it doesn't exist anymore.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm thinking about, just thinking about extinction
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: and stuff, it's like, where's that last day where people
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: were just standing there with the clipboards and they're just
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: waiting for the last, like, one of a species to
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: die off and then they're like extinct? Oh, there it goes, yeah. Like, yeah,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: what classifies something as extinct?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: That's a great question, and that's part of the premise of, like,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: why we made that original show, Extinct or Alive, is, like,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: it's some, for the most part, and I'm oversimplifying, but
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: it's some stuffy dude, British dude in a smoking jacket going... Yeah, yes,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I believe this is gone, you know? And then he, like,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: checks a box. And the problem with that is, from
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: a conservation model, the second you check that extinction box,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: that's it. There's no funding, there's no effort, it's gone.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Extinct doesn't mean hiding or around the corner or there's
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: a few left. Extinct means give up and move on.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: We're out 86 the dodo bird.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: That's it, yeah. And so I think it's super arrogant
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: for humans to come in and go, that's extinct. I mean,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: not to... I don't want to belittle extinction, it's a
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: very severe thing, but oftentimes... we give up too quickly.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: We go, it's extinct. It's not here. Or now it's
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: sort of been reclassified as like lost to science. But
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: for a long time, it was just like, oh, it's extinct.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Science hasn't seen it in 20 years, 30 years, 100 years.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Used to be 30 years was the benchmark. And it's
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: just sort of an arrogant thing to come in and
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: say like, you know, oh, I went to Borneo for
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: 10 days. I promise you it's not there. It's like,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: shut up, dude. You know what I mean? What the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: fuck are you talking about?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a game of clue, you idiot.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I'm oversimplifying it, but I think that's
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: what ended up happening a lot is, All this– there's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: millions and millions of species of animal out there, tons
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: and thousands of scientists and things, and they're like, oh,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: that one's gone. Move on. And what I like to
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: do is be like, well, hold on. Let's give the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: little guy a second shot here. And I think why
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: we were successful, why we found eight animals that were
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: previously lost to science was because we didn't give up
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: after 10 days. Some of those expeditions were two months long,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: living in tents. filming every day, like setting camera traps,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: going out, baiting stuff. You know, they were hard work.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: I love the work, but they were hard work. And
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, there it is. We found it.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: And the first time was utterly shocking. But then we
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: did it seven more times. And it was like, oh, wow,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: there is a pattern here. And I don't want to
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: say it's just like our show and the work I did.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: But between that and some of the conservation organizations and stuff,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: there was a little bit of a mentality shift of, oh,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: wait a minute. It's not extinct. It's like a lost species.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: It's been lost to Western scientists studying it or finding it.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: So now... we'll put in campaigns to find lost animals
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: as opposed to just decide they're extinct and move on.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: And that's sort of changed things a bit.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like cold case files of animals.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. It's like, go back in, you know, check,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: check the records.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: It's like, ah, I don't think we had a, let's
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: see if we have a better DNA sample now.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And the technology's come so far.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Dude, this sounds just like Colgate's files.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: It is, it is, man. It's the same thing. It's forensics.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: It's animal forensics.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. That's cool.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Are there animals out there that are almost extinct? Like,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: do you believe? Does extinction happen every week on the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: planet and we just don't realize it? How common is it?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: 3,000 species per year. Nuh-uh.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: You're lying.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: You're lying. That's the estimated number, yeah. And a lot
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: of things, a lot, crazy, right?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: The fucking what?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Bro, a lot of things are going extinct before we've
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: even described what they are. Like in the Amazon where
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: there's all this clear cutting and stuff.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: There are little species of, and I'm not saying they're,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about a buffalo. You know, I'm talking
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: about a bug this big or a little orchid or something.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: But before we've even described what it is or looked
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: into the medicinal properties of it or tried to conserve it,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: it's gone because we wipe out that chunk of habitat.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: The estimated number of species that go extinct every year
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: ranges from about 2,000 over 100,000, depending on which scientific
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: estimates and total species counts are used.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know this is the chat GPT answer or
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: whatever perplexity answer, but we dug into this pretty heavily
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: across a bunch of organizations, and we estimate it was
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: close to about 3,000. Now, most of that, as in
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: like 2,500, are plants, but the other 500 to 700
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: or so are animals that are going extinct every year.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: But to think that we're losing plants, which are— I mean,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: just the things that they're, the medicine and stuff that
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: they're finding in plants, the possibilities.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: And it's, again, going back to the technology standpoint, the
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: more that we advance our technology, the more we use
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: that technology to realize that old ancient ways of medicine
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: and herbal medicine and stuff actually is really effective. Look
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: at the supps game now, right? Supps?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Supplements.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Every supplement's like, oh, this is, I am making all
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: this up, but like berberine, which is a derivative of
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: an almond shell or whatever, you know, and it's like
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: beetroot beetroot. You're like, that's medicine. You know, we, it's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: so crazy. Cause I think medicine swang swung so far
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: away in the pendulum where it's like, it has to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: be fully synthetic. And it's like, Oh wait, half the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: shit isn't working, giving you terrible side effects. We'll look
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: over here. Beetroot actually is a great detoxifier. Why don't
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: we just do that? You know, it's like, it's like
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: the pendulum swung too far and now it's swung back
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit where it's like, yeah, all these, all
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: these natural things actually help us. And when you're losing
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: 1500 species or so of those a year, I'm not
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: saying any of them are going to cure cancer, but
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: they might, you know, who knows? Like we haven't tested it.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: It's fascinating.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: It's crazy to think that that's, that, um, that that's
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: where we are and, and, and how much of that
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: is just evolution and, And how much of that is man-made,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: do you think, or man-involved that species become extinct?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of both. And I think one
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: of the things that we see a lot is people
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: are like, oh, it's all humans' fault. That's why everything's
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: going extinct. Extinction's been around forever. Extinction's not like– we're
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: not going to get rid of extinction, and we shouldn't.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: But what we shouldn't do is accelerate it, and that's
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: the problem. Extinction, yeah.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Extinction been around, dude. I've been getting rid of these
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: hoes forever. You feel me?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: That's it, dude. I'm just joking, hoes.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: Sorry, hoes.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: I'm very respectful. Yeah, but it's interesting because I think
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: man-made extinction. So they say that we're in the sixth
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: great mass extinction event right now. There have been five
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: others throughout history, like when the dinosaurs went extinct, when
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: the earth froze over, the great freezing or whatever it's called.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: I don't, I'm not an anthropologist, paleontologist. I don't really
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: understand that as well. But they say right now we're
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: in the sixth great mass extinction event. And that is
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: directly caused by human beings. So my thing is like,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't end extinction. We shouldn't stop extinction. We just
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be like racing towards it as much as we can.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: And when you're killing like, you know, a million, eight
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: million sharks a year or whatever it is we're fishing
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: and cutting down a thousand acres of rainforest. I'm making
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: all these numbers up. A thousand acres of rainforest a day.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: We're like racing towards extinction. We're like, how fast can
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: we get rid of these things? You know, and that's
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: the problem. Like that's where we need to just reassess.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: I'm all for human growth and development and everything else.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: We need it. Like we need to make the planet sustainable,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: but we got to do it in a way that's
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: also fair to all the species. You know what I mean?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: So that we don't collapse.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Kind of on this topic, I have a question about
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: extinction and the idea that I know there's companies now
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: that are bringing back or attempting to bring back extinct species, right?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: That's been something that I know you're kind of close to.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, de-extinction.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: De-extinction. But first I was wondering, do you think that
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: after a lot of your time being in nature and
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: spending time around nature and animals, do you feel like
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: humans are supposed to be here now? Or do you
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: feel like we are an additive or a deterrent?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: It's a really interesting question. What we should be as
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: humans is docents of this planet. We're the smartest creature
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: on this planet bar none.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Docent, what does it mean?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: The guardian of the planet. We should be the ones
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: cultivating this garden that is planet Earth and taking care
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: of it. Instead, and I don't know when this happened
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: or how this happened, and this may be a weird
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: take on it, It almost feels like we're like an
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: ant colony, like a parasite on the planet, where we're
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: just like over-expanding and just sort of taking over this
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: whole thing. And I don't think we intend to do that,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: and I don't think there's a single human being on
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: this planet that's like, we should wipe out everything, we
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: should take over. But everybody like running on their hamster
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: wheel of survival and needing to eat and needing clean
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: water and needing new shoes and blah, blah, blah, it
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: ends up being this sort of almost like parasitic thing
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: on the planet.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: And instead.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: What I think we need, and this is such a
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: weird answer, but is this sort of mentality shift of like, okay,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of us. There's 8 billion people here
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: or 10 billion, whatever we're up to now. How do
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: we take care of the planet so the planet takes
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: care of us instead of how do we industrialize as
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: much as possible and take from the planet? And I
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: don't think people want to take from the planet. I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: don't think generally they do. It's just I believe we
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: should be here. We're supposed to be here. But I
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: think we've lost sight of the fact that as the
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: most what's the Peter Parker quote with great power comes
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: great responsibility. We have that power. We need to be
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: responsible for that planet. Yeah.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I almost wish there was like a breathalyzer for
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: people that were in power.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: So you could just see if they're fucking like, all right,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: just blow in here.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Make sure you give a fuck about it.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: You good?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: You good? Here, blow. Yeah.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Have you watered your plants at home today?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You good
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: to drive this planet or not?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm going to need you to pull this planet
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: over to the side of the road for a second.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take a quick look at you. Yeah.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Dude, that's hilarious, bro. Thank you, bro. That's so funny.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't understand why if we can tell
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: if somebody's drunk, we can't tell if they have a
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: moral compass when it comes to trying to be ethical
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: or trying to care about things outside of themselves. But
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: maybe that's coming.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's coming. And I also don't think like
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: I hate the idea of me sitting here and going, Theo,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: don't don't use a plastic bag at the grocery store.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Come on, man. And like guilt tripping you. I use
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: plastic bags at the grocery store.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: But you know what I mean? It's like that. What's
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: the bigger offset? It's like, OK, you know, like, fine,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't be using as many plastic bags, but also like.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Let's just choose, make smaller choices that add up that
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: don't impact us. You know what I mean? It's like,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: don't be preachy. Just care a little bit. It's it.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: It's not that hard. You know what I mean?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think also that I think some, you know,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: we're all at such the whims and responsibilities of so
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: many bigger corporations, not to put it onto them, because
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: we all play a part in our own governance as
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: humans and just governing ourselves. But the fact that you know,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: that we live in societies that have dirty water, just
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: the things where you're like, what are we doing?
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Like we could be doing so much better than this.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: I think so many of these things are becoming cool
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: and mainstream though. I just saw a thing from Mr.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Beast a couple of days ago where he got like,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know the number, like a million people clean water.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: That's as mainstream as it gets, man. He's the biggest
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: YouTuber on the planet and YouTube's the biggest medium on
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: the planet. Like I think that's awesome.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: You know, like if you're making clean water for people
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: that don't have clean water mainstream, like, How cool is that?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, dude. Yeah.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: I've been hearing about this initiative for a while. Let
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: me see. Mr. Beast launched his team water campaign in August,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: 2025 to provide 2 million people.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: With clean water. 2 million people. Heck yeah. That's so cool.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Like how much cooler is that than like, you know,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: like watch me drive my Lambo or whatever, you know,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: it's like, this is mainstream now.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Bro, a hundred percent, especially the fact that Everything is
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: becoming privatized. The fact that the government of Michigan couldn't
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: do this for their people.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: But here he, you know.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Right. And individuals doing it as opposed to a nation
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: or a government. That's that's badass. And I think I
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: really I mean, I'm always an optimist, but I think
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: the world is going to like follow suit. Like I
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: feel like people when people like Mr. Beast are leading
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: the charge, everybody else can be like, yeah, this is rad.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: This is awesome.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Well, it's funny that somebody who had to come along
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: to take care of healthy environment had Beast in their name,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: It's kind of badass. It is pretty cool. It's pretty cool, yeah.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Especially for a vanilla white guy like like jimmy yeah.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: The campaign's core promise is that every dollar donated provides
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: one year of clean water for someone in need.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: That's all so cool yeah yeah and i think you
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: know like not that i'm anywhere near a mr beast
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: level but like this is what i hope to do
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: one day is to make wildlife conservation and science mainstream
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: and cool yeah you know it's like if it's cool
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: people will do it yeah you know yeah I agree, man.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: I think having the attitude that that's where we're headed,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: that let's take some of this stuff out of the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: government's hands. Let's put it into people's hands because a
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: lot of government has gotten so corrupted and can be
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: so corrupted. Even going back to like what you're talking
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: about in different countries and where you grew up and
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: like the influence of government can get so– it can
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: get so desperate.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Whereas hopefully the heart of an individual human and individual
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: humans overall can– hopefully remain, can remain more hopeful and uncompromised.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: You would hope. No organization, government body, NGO is going
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: to have the passion and the drive of an individual. Obviously, Mr.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: B's thing is clean water for people. Nobody, I don't
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: care if you're the government of the United States, you
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: don't have that same passion that that individual has. You
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? And that's where impact comes from.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: It comes from that passion.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: It's so true. And you start to realize that sometimes too. Like,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, shit. I see how somebody cared.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: And they just kept caring.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: And they just kept doing it. Yeah. They just kept
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: hammering it until we all cared.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: And it started to figure things out.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: It's rad.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about the de-extinction, right? Sure. So
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: take me into some of that world. There was a company.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: There's a company, Colossal.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Colossal Biosciences.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Colossal Biosciences, who recently they were in the press with
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: recreating the dire wolf.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Was it actually recreated?
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: So there's some interesting stuff here. So I, you know,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: our buddy Joe Rogan, I connected him with Ben Lamb,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: the CEO of Colossal, and they went and spoke about it.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: And I'm a conservation advisor to Colossal. So I don't
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: kind of tell you much about genetics because I don't
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: know much about it, but I know a lot about conservation.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: So I help say, here's where we should put the
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: dire wolf if we release them, that kind of thing,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: you know, the conservation side of it. Not going to
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: release dire wolves, by the way. But that's the role
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: that I fill there. So I'm luckily on the inside
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: of this de-extinction thing. The dire wolf's interesting. There's a
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: woman named Beth Shapiro who's in charge of it, and
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: she can explain the genetics wholeheartedly. What my understanding of
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: is it or isn't it a dire wolf, which is
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: your main question, is Colossal found through, they did more
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: genetic sampling than anyone else has ever done. And they
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: found that the dire wolf was actually closely related to
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: a gray wolf, which is what they built their dire
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: wolf after. or they built it from, rather, versus the
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: people who got upset and said this isn't a dire
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: wolf is because they thought dire wolves were originally more
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: closely related to jackals, which is a different kind of canid.
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  Speaker 2: So my understanding, which is very limited because I'm not
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: a geneticist, is that they did make basically a giant
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: white gray wolf, which is what a dire wolf was
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: according to the most varied genetic sampling that's ever taken place.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: Not an expert, but... I think the thing to think
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  Speaker 2: about is not the minutiae, at least for me, of
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: is it a dire wolf? Isn't it? What genes does
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: it have? It's like saying, are you a human? Am
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: I a human? Well, but Theo's got long brown hair
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: and Forrest has short brown hair. This guy has a
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: beard and that guy has a goatee. It's like, wow,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: they're not the same. It's like, right, but we walk
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: the same. We talk the same. We eat the same.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: We fill the same ecological niche. And I think that's
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: the point of what the science is. Okay. Putting dodos
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: back in Mauritius is going to help the forest. Putting
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: thylacine back in Tasmania is going to help with the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: overabundance of all these macropods, which are like marsupials. And
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: that's what Colossal is trying to do with the de-extinction,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: at least as I understand it. And I think that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So do you think that they– so they're kind
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: of creating something as close as possible?
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah. Okay.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: And by creating something as close as possible and putting
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: them back into animal society, basically, it will help fulfill
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: a space that could help nature be more robust.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. That's a perfect way to put it. A good
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: example is like imagine aliens came to Earth and they
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: found a tribe in the middle of the jungle and
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: the tribe had jaundice. And they're like, oh, all humans
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: are yellow. Now the aliens think humans are yellow. That's
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: how humans are. That's how we look at, say, Tasmania.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: We go, oh, Tasmania is an island nation that just
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: has tons of roadkill and a bazillion macropods. Well, it
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: actually shouldn't. It's very unhealthy, just like our tribe with jaundice, right?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: It's a very unhealthy population because it's lost that little niche,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: that thing. And in this case, we're talking about a thylacine,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: which is like a Tasmanian tiger. So if they bring
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: that back or something very, very close and similar, it
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: looks like it, walks like it, talks like that, acts
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: like that, and It's not like they're just going to
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: be like, all right, we brought them back. Chuck them
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: out there. It's going to be a slow thing, and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: that's the part that I like to help with. But
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: if they're able to put that back into the ecosystem,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: they're going to balance out that ecosystem, and that balance
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: creates health. Got it. Gets rid of diseases, gets rid
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: of overpopulation, all the things that throw a system off balance.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: which I think is cool. And that's why I love it. Like,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: I love the idea that we can write humanities wrongs,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: like where we've to the stuff with like dire wolves
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: and mammoths are less for me, but the stuff where
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: they're like, here's where humans took an animal, killed it
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: till it was completely gone. And here's where we can
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: come in and go, we can fix it. Then I'm like,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: let's go. Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know if you, if we would ever be
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: able to create, like, you know, create the woolly mammoth,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: create a, uh, dinosaurs, you know, do you know that
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: if that's possible?
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  Speaker 2: What I know is that if you take something that
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: has really healthy intact DNA and has a close living relative,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: for instance, you take the mammoth, because mammoths only died
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: out 10,000 years ago. And so there's lots of fresh DNA,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: frozen in ice and tusks. And, you know, that guy
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: John Reeves up in Alaska, you know who that is?
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: This guy's got this crazy place where he gets all
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: these tusks and mammoth chunks, stuff. He's even eaten mammoth.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Crazy dude. He's super cool.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy. So he's constantly getting mammoth parts, right?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: So there's really good DNA. Now, you take that and
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: you take an Asian elephant, an Indian elephant, and they're 99.6%
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: related to a mammoth. Okay, so now you've got really
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: good DNA. You've got an animal that's 99.6% related. All
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: you've got to do is combine those to get that 0.4%,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: and you've made a mammoth, essentially.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Dude, and then you've made a movie called Mammoths.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Mammoths. Meth mammoth. Math myth? I don't know. The math myth.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: The math myth. That's hard to say.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: And they all have lists.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. That's right.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Dude, being on meth and having a list would be
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: the worst.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Boy, that'd be hard to follow.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Wow. So, so that's what you're saying. So it's like,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: we're going to get, so you're getting as close as
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: you can get.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think we could get into like actually increasing
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: the scale then over time? I mean, do you think
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: some of those things are possible?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: I do. Yeah. I think with technology it will be.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: And that's why I don't think a dinosaur is possible.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Dinosaurs died out millions of years ago. It's too far.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: That DNA is just shattered. You know, it's like the,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: the puzzle's too hard to put back to. You take
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: an egg, you crack it. It's like, Oh, these cracks
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: goes back together. You smash it. You're like, Oh, I
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: can never get that egg back together. You know, it's
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: like that. That's how I see it.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, how interesting would it be then, though, that
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: if certain companies own the DNA or own this genetic mapping,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: it's able to put these things back together. Then now
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: animals would in some way become kind of privatized in.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: A weird way. I think it could. I really do. Like,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what. how that would work.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: But imagine you're this crazy billionaire and you're like, all right,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: the technology's there. I know it's going to cost $ 500
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: million to bring back a, I'm making this up, Titanoboa.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you know what that is. Giant
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: 50 foot long anaconda, right? So there's probably no such
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: thing as healthy Titanoboa DNA, but what we could probably do,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: I'm making all this up as we go, with the
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: technology is take a regular anaconda and take out its
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: growth restrictor through genetic engineering, and make it 50 feet.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: And this guy's like, I want the titanoboas, and I
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: have 500 million. Now he's just privatized this mutant creature.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Probably Nicolas Cage would do it.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think? Seems like a Nick Cage kind of
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: thing to do. Yeah, I think it would just be cool.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: You know, you teach a titanoboa to just bring you
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: some bring you and your date some almonds or something
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: while you're watching Shane Gillis' tires on Netflix or something.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: That'd be crazy, dude.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: That's just the weirdest image I just painted in my
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: head as you said that.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: Bring up the information on the Titanoboa. Let me just
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: rattle it off so we know what it is.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: That's pretty, it's just watching Shane Gillis' tires.
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  Speaker 1: Titanoboa is an extinct genus of giant boid. the family
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: that includes all boas and anaconda snake that lived during
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: the middle and late Paleocene, was first discovered in the
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: early 2000s by a tropical research institute, is the largest
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: snake ever found. At the time, Titanoboa could grow up
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: to 42 feet long, perhaps even to 47 feet long,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: and weigh around 1,600 to 2,500 pounds.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, man. Imagine a snake that was eating.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: Full-grown horses.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? That is so crazy to
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: think about.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. Yeah, to your point, I think
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: they could privatize these things. I certainly know that that's
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: not what Colossal's goal is. They're just trying to fix
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: the ecosystem and get carbon credits and whatnot. But it's...
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: it's a crazy thought. It's a crazy thought. Nick Cage,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: don't do it. Yeah. Yeah, dude.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: It would probably be like some of the richest people
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: ever would be doing it. Probably Nick Cage. Sam Altman
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: would probably have some, you know, like a beautiful parakeet
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: or something that's never... That makes a sound that only
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: he can hear.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: What would you have?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'd have probably one of the most famous. Probably
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: I would have a hamster.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Or a gerbil. Okay. A giant one or just a standard?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Pretty big. Pretty big? Yeah. I like that. Like you
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: ride it to town.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would at least break it out to
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: show the ladies at night.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's smart. Yeah, pick up gerbil.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, what is that?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you trying to pick up Richard Gere or
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: what are you doing over there?
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: They'd be like, oh, is that a French bull gerbil?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: A French bull gerbil. Nah, it just breathes funny.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: Dude, that'd be so great. If you had a French
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: bull gerbil, you would get all of the girls.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Nothing gets pussed like a French bull gerbil.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: That's a fact. Oh, it would be wet.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Watching a French bull gerbil get out of the pool
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: and then shake itself off after? Yeah.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: The girls are just like, oh, Theo, I'm yours.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Braziers are just landing on it.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: It's like a rock concert.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Are there any species that you think should go extinct?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think... I mean, there's invasive species that need
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: to go locally extinct. Like, we shouldn't have Burmese pythons
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: in the Florida Everglades, right? I don't know if you
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: know about that, the big snakes in the Everglades. Yeah,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: they're a problem. Like, that's localized extinction that should happen.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: But that's, again, because we've caused a problem. There are
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: other animals, and this is a very unpopular opinion... They're
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: trying to make themselves extinct. Panda bears, panda, if you, Theo,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: if you're at a zoo and you go to a
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: mama panda bear and you offer her an apple, she
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: will hand you her baby for that apple. True story.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: You can literally find a video of what I just said.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, these things are trying to go extinct. I
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: don't want them to go extinct. They're incredibly cool, but
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: they are so dumb. Like, look at this. Give mama
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: an apple and you can just take her baby away.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, that should not be, you know what I mean?
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Cause they're just so, they're just addicted to the food.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: They're food motivated. They're bad parents. They're sort of a
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: creature that, and again, I don't want to see them
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: go extinct. I think they're super cool, but they're sort
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: of a creature that naturally was probably edging towards extinction
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: before humans intervened. Another good example is the great auk.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: So this is a bird that once had colonies of
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: millions and millions. The great auk. Great auk. So penguins
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: are from Antarctica, the south. This was kind of our version,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: the northern version of a penguin. Yeah, northern penguin. Let's go.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: And they had these huge colonies of millions of birds,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: but when down feathers became a thing, we drove them
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: to extinction. Humans did. But had we not done that,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: had humans not done that, they probably were on their
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: way towards extinction anyway because their numbers had shrunk and
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: shrunk and shrunk. Their colonies had shrunk and shrunk and shrunk.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: There was only 10 or 12 or whatever colonies of
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: these birds left. So they were like on the road
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: to extinction anyway. And then humans came in and put
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: the nail in the coffin. Got it. So naturalized extinction
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: does happen and it's a normal thing. But It's probably
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: not good when industrial consumption, like I'm going to take
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: every feather from every auk I can, comes in and
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: speeds up that process. And the reason I say it's
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: not good is because nothing else can adapt. All the
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: animals that would eat great auk, that relied on great auk,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're gone overnight. Whereas if they
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: slowly die out over time... nature is such a complete
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: system that something else comes in to take its place.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: The animals find a new food source, a different bird
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: comes in and starts nesting there. You know what I mean?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: Like it, it adapts. Whereas if we just come in
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: and drop the knife, it's like, oh shit, like the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: whole thing's broken.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: What's the greatest example of that where humans have come
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: in and affected an ecosystem so much with kind of
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: like leading to the extinction or loss of an animal, uh,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: that you believe has had the largest effect.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: Probably a combination of things in Australia. Like in Australia,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: we came in, we brought cane toads, which is a
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: big frog from South America that we brought them in
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: because we started farming sugar cane in Australia. And then
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: they got cane beetle, which is a parasite. So they're like, hey,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: let's get cane toads in to eat the cane beetle. Well,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: the problem is these giant ass toads that you're seeing here,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: they came in, they have these venom sacs. See those
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: big bulbous things behind its eyes? That's full of venom. Fuck.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: And nothing in Australia has ever been adapted to tolerate
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: that venom. So they brought these cane toads in. Cane toads,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: everything would try and eat them, all the goannas and
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: the snakes and stuff, and they'd be dropping dead. And
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: so this single frog, this act of bringing in these
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: frogs to help combat the cane beetle has probably had
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest ecological disasters in history. And like
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: the country of Australia is at something like a 70%
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: reduction in animals because of these things.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. And that's a straight human fumble. It
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: wasn't a removal. It was bringing something in, but same effect.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: Who brought them there?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Sugarcane farmers. I don't know who specifically. God, that's wild, dude.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: We were doing some shows up in, I want to
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: say it was Maine or New Hampshire, right along the coast.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: And we went down by the docks because it was
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: beautiful down there to see in the boats.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: It was like a.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: kind of like all like about an hour before sunset
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: and we had a show nearby and we just stopped
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: in this little town and some of the guys who
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: they were bringing in lobster traps and they all they
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: had all these things on them called sea squirts okay
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: it was a plant see if you could bring it.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: Up like a like a sponge right yeah it was.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: Like a thing that it got it looked hollow it
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: almost looked plastic Sea squirts, also known as ascidians or tunicates,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: are marine filter feeders with a sac-like body covered by
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: a tough cellulose-based tunic. Yeah, they almost look like it
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: was a candy or something. It was just full of
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: like kind of water. They filter bacteria and plankton from
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: water drawn through their siphons, and their larvae possess a
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: primitive backbone, making them a part of the cordyphylum. What
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: does it say that they– how did they get to America?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: Are they invasives?
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: These guys were saying these were all invasive. They all
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: came from Asia. Oh, really?
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting. Oh, yeah, they're invading Long Island Sound,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: attaching the hulls of commercial recreational ships, being transported in
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: their ballast water, a process known as hull fouling.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: They also could have been introduced via aquaculture shipments such
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: as oyster seed or by hitchhiking or fishing equipment.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: There's another huge example of that called a zebra mussel
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: or zebra mussel, which is in all the lakes across
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: the U.S., And they get so bad, see how they
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: grow on everything, that like your boat engine and stuff
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: gets filled with them. And it's crazy because all you
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: have to do is run your live well, you know,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: to go bass fishing or whatever, and the fry is microscopic.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: So then you have one drop of water with a
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: little bit of fry in it, and you take your
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: boat to another lake, they're all over the lake.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: What does fry mean?
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: Like the larval stage, the baby. Wow. Yeah. God.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: I know, and that's man doing that probably most of
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: And oftentimes, like the cane toad was an intentional. This
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: is completely unintentional.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: And we've done that over and over, like taking rats
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: to New Zealand and Hawaii and blah, blah. And it's
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: just humans doing what humans do, you know, just traveling
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: and learning. Crazy thing, you know, dingoes. We brought dingoes
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: to Australia. Humans brought dingoes to Australia 4,000 years ago.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: When Aboriginal people came across from Indonesia, New Guinea into Australia,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: they brought dogs with them. And those dogs were dingoes.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: They're like the OG invasive species. And they're like a
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: national treasure in Australia. But they've been there 4,000 years,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: but humans actually brought them there.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't even supposed to be.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: Dude, that's the kind of shit that happens. Dude, my step-grandmother,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: she brings her fucking cat over to Thanksgiving and everybody's
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: fucking pissed. That thing is a piece of shit.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: Most cats are. I hate cats. But yeah, I feel you.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Peeing everywhere.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: Um, what is one of your biggest like sleeper creatures?
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Like a creature that we are all kind of sleeping
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: on that people don't know how awesome it is or
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: that just doesn't get the acclaim that it should, you think?
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know what I think's a good one? Soft
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: shell turtle. A turtle with a soft shell.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: It's so crazy.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Very brave.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: It's brave. It's nuts. These things evolved away from having
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: a hard shell.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: It's like a gay dude in the military kind of,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: No, I don't. Please explain.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: I'm just guessing. Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. It's just brave.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: It's just brave.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: Never mind. Thank you for your service. Don't ask, don't shell.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: Don't ask, don't shell.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: I think these things don't get enough credit. You see
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: them on highways in Florida and stuff.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: So they're really, the shell is soft? Soft.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: It's like, feels like leather.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: And it's just such a weird, like if you think
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: about a turtle, you think about this, this like living rock,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: It's flippers, it's head, it's feet, whatever. Then you got
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: this guy. Like, what the hell is this guy doing?
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: He's got this leathery shell. They get like this big.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: There's certain species they get. If you look up the raffidus,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: they get massive. Like, I'm talking about the size of
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: a car. Wow. A soft shell turtle. Talk about an
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: animal that just doesn't get enough credit.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: A turtle is just crazy, isn't it?
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They're insane. They're weird. Look at these guys. Look
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: at these penis-headed things.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: It's nice to have like your kind of to-go home
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: on your back or whatever, but it's just crazy.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're insane. They're such weird, cool animals and don't
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: get enough credit.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: I think because they feel so... I wonder, are they nervous?
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: That's why they pop back in their shell? Or are they... Oh, it's.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Cold out, you know?
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, their defensive mechanism is to go
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: into their shell unless you're a soft shell. Then it's
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: being fast. Yeah, they've evolved to be faster instead of.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Retreat. Oh, that's a large one you showed right there?
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the raffidus. Yeah, and they get huge. So this
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: is an animal that there's currently believed to be three left,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: one male with a broken penis and two females.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: So they got to fix that wiener on him.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's pretty sad. So we went and did
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: a show on these guys. It's crazy. It's a whole
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: political turmoil, everything. So the male, there were two males
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: and two females. And one of the males died because
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: a kid dropped a brick on its head from the
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: enclosure in a zoo in China, in Shuzhou, China, I believe.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: So now there's one male and two females.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: That's an op.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: Then, yeah. Then the male, they tried to breed it
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: or something. Broken dick. Legit broken dick. Yeah. So now
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: they've got two females in this lake in Dong Mo
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: in Vietnam and one male in China. I believe that's
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: where the current numbers are. And neither country is willing
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: to give the other their turtles, but it wouldn't really
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: matter anyway because it's got a broken dick. So the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: whole thing is kind of fucked.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Somebody– so Trump needs to arrange a meeting between all
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: these people, I think.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: You know, I think he should sit down and be like,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: all right, how are we fixing this dick, you know?
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: I know we got some other stuff going on, but
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: how are we working on this?
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Wow, the most widely cited figure is two confirmed individuals,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: both male, one in Suzhou Zoo, China, and one in
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Dong Mo Lake, Vietnam.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: Dang. I thought one of those males died, like I
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: was talking about. I'm not sure, but, oh, yeah, a
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: last known female died. Yeah, it's hard to track. I
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: think it's one male and two females that we know of.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: The future of the species now depends on last-ditch conservation
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: and breeding efforts as well as the possibility of verifying
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: additional individual turtles.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Wow. So we went out to Dongmo Lake, and we
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: ran eDNA and got samples and even filmed one of
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: these animals. And this is where, like, colossal bioscience is, right? Like,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: if they could get an X and a Y chromosome,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: a male and a female, they could make those turtles.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: And that would be awesome. That's where, like, that technology–
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: to me, there's no ethical concern. There's no moral concern.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, hell yeah. Like we went and got these samples,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: male and female chromosomes, tissue, built new turtles, ground up,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: good to go.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: Are they out there, are they searching for these things
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: and how are they doing it? How are they trying
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: to get DNA or genetic material so that they can
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: create or recreate or reestablish species?
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think, oh, you mean House Colossal doing it? Yeah,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: they're going all over the world. They're digging up stuff
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: like that guy, John Reeves, that place in Alaska they're
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: getting samples from. They've been on multiple digs in Mauritius
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: getting dodo samples. Yeah, they're collecting all that kind of stuff.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: How much more animals existed at one time, do you think?
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: Like what percentage are we down to right now?
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. We have a lot of
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: diversity in this era, more so than like when there
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: were dinosaurs and stuff like that.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: That's, I mean, fact check me on that. But yeah,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: it's mammalian diversity is higher than when like reptiles were
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: at their peak. And yeah. There's a lot of mammals.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: It's really good. Yeah. But, you know, we have eliminated
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: a lot like we talked about, but we're still and
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: I don't believe in this whole like we're fucked thing.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Like we're still in the planet's incredible. Wildlife's resilient. Like
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: we're not down that much. Yes, we've knocked huge populations down,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: meaning we've knocked down, you know, shark species to 10
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: percent of what there were. We've not our populations. We've
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: knocked down certain mammal species to five or 10 percent
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: of what they were. That's all it takes to bring
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: it back. You know what I mean? Like you just
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: back off a little bit, they'll bounce right back. There's
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: a study that got put out a few years ago.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: I'd be curious if anybody's done a study since that
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: said if you didn't, if we as human beings didn't
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: fish the ocean for seven years, it would be back
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: to 99% fullness of what it's at now. That's it.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: Seven years is all it would take allegedly. That's not
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: very long. We can't do that because 99% of the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: world's protein comes from the ocean or something like that.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: But that's all it takes for nature to like build,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: fight its way back up, you know?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Do you think there's a certain country or certain part
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: of the world that, uh, they, you find that they
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: have it right when it comes to nature and to animalia?
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: No, I think there's lots of places that are trying,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: you know, the Galapagos has done a really good job
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: of like really taking care of their islands. Like you
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: go through quarantine when you go there and blah, blah, blah. Um,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: and there are other places like, uh, Palau, which is
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: a tiny little island nation. I think at It's either
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: the only or definitely the first country in the world
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: that said no commercial fishing. It's like, go out and
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: kill your own fish all you like and eat them,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: but we're not doing any commercial fishing.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. You know, it's like, you want to go
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: out and shoot a fish? Go shoot a fish. But,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: you know, you're not buying it from a purse saner
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: who's killing dolphins and wiping out coral reefs. Like, that
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: kind of thing's awesome. But, you know, we wouldn't be
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: having Nobu in Tennessee if that existed. So, you know,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: it's a tradeoff.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and whoever fucking brought Nobu to Tennessee is out
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: of their fucking mind.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there is one, but, yeah. I
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: think there is, actually.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: Is there?
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Every time I see somebody going to something where it's
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: like they're trying to put it in Nashville, I'm like,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: what are you doing, you know?
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Dude, Nashville's wild. I got to walk around today.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: It's fun.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: It's cool, man.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: It's busy.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go out this evening, check out Broadway, right?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have some other friends here or no?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: I got a friend here, yeah, who's going to meet me.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're welcome to join, but we're going to
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: go check it out, yeah.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: I might try to come say hey or go get
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: a snack with you or something.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: Anything else you want to chat about for us? I
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: think this has been a good first episode so far.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: Do you think?
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: Dude, I think it's great, man. I'm just like, if
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: you're interested, I'm interested. My thing is like, people love it,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: I'm into it.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: I want to go to South, I want to do
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: that South Africa thing.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: Let's do it, man. I'm happy. And if, you know,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: October may be too soon. Sure.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: But I could always do it in the spring or something.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: If you're planning on going, let me know and I'll
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: try to link with you and then we'll go do
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: some really cool, like a safari thing for a few days.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: But I'm talking not like, Hey, let's go on safari.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: I mean like, Hey Theo, let's go catch giraffes and
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: put radio collars on them. No way. Like something that
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: people don't get to do that we'll do through the
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: conservation groups that I work with.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: Put that house arrest bracelet on your neck.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Take that boy.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's just showing up to his, uh, to his PO.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: Dude, the ladies are like, that's a bad giraffe right there.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: That's a bad giraffe right there.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: Is there an animal that you wish could speak up
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: for itself ever better?
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Uh, Man, that's a good question. An animal that could
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: speak up for itself. Yeah, you know what the vaquita is?
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: The vaquita? Yeah, ever heard of that?
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: No, but I'd put some damn cheese on one of them,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: Sounds pretty good, doesn't it? Well, it's Mexican, so that
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, it does, yeah. I'll take it with the verde sauce.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that makes sense. But these little guys, smallest
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: porpoise in the world, there's now, estimate between 9 and
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: 11 of them left on the planet.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Which is the worst to have 9, 11 of them left.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Sounds fucking like it. Bad luck.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: That's a bad sign. Yeah. I wish these guys could
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: speak up for themselves because they're just these crazy cute
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: little dolphins. They're driving towards extinction. There's not a lot
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: that can be done based on how things are going.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: They need a flipper up to somebody and just be like, help.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: And we'd be good. Vaquita.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, they look like the quokkas of the sea.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Nice. Good pull.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: Where their smile is kind of built on. Uh-huh. It's
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: funny how some animals, God kind of put a smile
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: on them so you would just see that they're okay,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, you look at a quokka and you're like, right, well,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: we're never letting that thing go anywhere. It's too cute,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: you know? If everything was cute, we'd be good.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Why are some animals only in one spot? Because aren't
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: the quokkas only native to an island off the coast
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: of Australia?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, near to Perth, yeah.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy to think on a whole planet
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: that they're that specific of a place. I mean, that's wild,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: isn't it?
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah. So they get there as something else,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: like as a small wallaby or whatever. And then like
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: with a Quokka, for instance, they're like, oh wait, having
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: tails doesn't help us. So year after year, shorter tails,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: shorter tails, shorter tails. Hey, wait, having this big goofy
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: smile and these big fat cheeks, that's actually good because
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: we store food. I'm making the stuff up, but you know,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: and then they breed more and more and more. And
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: then before you know it, you've got its own species
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: that's stuck here. That's completely different from these guys because
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: their environment dictates that these characteristics are make it useful
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: for this place only. Yeah. I don't know if that
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. Well, I think it shows also why
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: humans have adapted and become different ways because they needed
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: to become fit for their territory.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah. You look at what is it? The Sudanese,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: South Sudanese, the tallest people in the world. Like, why
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: are those guys so tall? You know what I mean?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: And it's obviously genetic and cultural and everything else, but
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: these guys are all over seven feet. Like that's incredible
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: that that only takes place in that one area.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: Why, why did they need to be so tall?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: Do you know? I don't know. I would like to know.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: Let's look it up right now and see if we
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: can get a little bit more information.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: I'd like to go there. Wouldn't you like to stand
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: around with seven foot tall people? It sounds so interesting. Yeah,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: until you freaking.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: you know, till you hit your head on something and
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: realize that it's like, oh, God.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: It wipes you across the face. Oh, boy, that's not
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: what I wanted. Then you and your buddy from Florida
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: high school are sharing the same problem.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like when you see that person that's blindfolded
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: and the piñata hits them when he's swinging around.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Danglers get you.
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  Speaker 1: South Sudanese people, particularly the Niliotic groups like the Dinka
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  Speaker 1: and the Nuer, are among the tallest in the world,
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  Speaker 1: largely due to a mix of genetics, natural selection, and
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  Speaker 1: nutritional factors. The tall, lean bodies of the South Sudanese
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  Speaker 1: Nilotes help with thermoregulation in a hot, dry climate. Longer
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: limbs facilitate heat dissipation, supporting survival in tropical conditions. a
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  Speaker 1: phenomenon aligned with the Bergman's and Allen's rules in biology.
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  Speaker 2: How crazy is that? It's so damn hot here that
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  Speaker 2: we're going to make you taller so that you can
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  Speaker 2: off-gas more and stay cooler. And by the way, you're
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  Speaker 2: all going to be seven feet tall. Like, that's so cool.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that wild? Well, yeah, it's just fascinating how, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's all just fascinating. To exist is fascinating to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And we're lucky we live on this planet, man.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, not that I know where else we'd live,
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  Speaker 2: but there's just so much cool stuff here. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's one thing that's just nice to
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  Speaker 1: even get to talk today, man. It's just a reminder
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  Speaker 1: of that, you know? Just a reminder of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on, man.
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  Speaker 2: It's really cool. Oftentimes when I talk, do podcasts or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: I talk to guys that, you know, we have similar interests.
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  Speaker 2: We talk a lot about, you know, I know they
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  Speaker 2: know a lot of, like even Joe, right? Like when
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: I do Joe's show, he knows a lot about animals.
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  Speaker 2: He's an animal nut. But to talk to you who,
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  Speaker 2: no offense, but maybe knows less or has less connection,
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  Speaker 2: you see that, like I was saying earlier, that child
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  Speaker 2: sense of wonderment, be like, no way. You know, like
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  Speaker 2: that's so cool that you can bring that back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, dude. Well, I just, yeah, I feel lucky
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  Speaker 1: to get to talk to people. I feel lucky to
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  Speaker 1: get to learn. I mean, I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like even just to be inspired today that I want
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  Speaker 1: to go back to South Africa, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that it would be neat to go do something there,
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  Speaker 1: you know? One of my friends said yesterday I was
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: talking to him. I don't know if I was talking
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  Speaker 1: to him on the phone. Let me think about who
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  Speaker 1: it was really quick. Oh, damn, I can't remember. But
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  Speaker 1: he goes, man, you know what's crazy to think? He goes,
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  Speaker 1: if you think about your life, think about how many
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: summers you have left.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not that many. And you're like, whoa. Yeah, what?
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  Speaker 2: We got 20, 30 summers left, you know?
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  Speaker 1: It just starts to put the perspective of your life.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if even, you know, if you're 25 and
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  Speaker 1: say you have, you know, until you're 65, you can
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  Speaker 1: kind of do whatever you want. You have 40 summers left, right?
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot of summers, but that's not that.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not that many summers, dude. And if you think, like,
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  Speaker 2: I think of my, this past summer, like I basically
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  Speaker 2: worked all summer. I was on the road. I barely
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: had a time to hang out with my kids or go,
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  Speaker 2: go to the lake or do any of the summer things.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. I lost one of those. Never getting that back.
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  Speaker 2: That summer's gone. It's gonna be cold when I get
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: home now, you know, like that sucks. It's cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But it's nice today to be able to be
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: reminded of that and just be reminded that nature's out
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  Speaker 1: there waiting for us, that there's a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: that are happening out there, and that we're lucky to
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: exist and be a part of them, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, brother.
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  Speaker 1: Forrest Galante, thanks so much for coming in. People can
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: check out Animals and Drugs.
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  Speaker 2: Animals on Drugs.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: Animals on Drugs right now. And I challenge you guys
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  Speaker 1: in the comments of this episode, if you can think
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: of any good names for— drug animal crossovers we need.
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  Speaker 2: Them we need more crocoons yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We need more crocoons thanks Forrest.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel
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  Speaker 4: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh
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  Speaker 4: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
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  Speaker 4: of mind I found I can feel it in my
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  Speaker 4: bones
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.