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#1663 The Doctor Who Prescribes Cuddling - Dr. Marc Cohen · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get a team. It's Harps and the Good Doc
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  Speaker 1: who will intro in a moment. Tiffany and Cook over
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  Speaker 1: there at typ Central just killing it. She's training for
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  Speaker 1: a mystery, something that will all be revealed eventually, but
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  Speaker 1: she's training like a mofo at the moment. We don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say too much, but how is the training going.
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  Speaker 2: I'm loving at Harps. I'm do you know how funny
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  Speaker 2: it is to work with you for this long? And
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  Speaker 2: still we're a bit starstruck that I got to train
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  Speaker 2: with Craig Anthony Halfer this week. Craig style.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I definitely don't be starstruck because I'm just an
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  Speaker 1: old dickhead that you tell.
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  Speaker 2: You what the Harp's novelty never wears off. It never
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  Speaker 2: wears off. You'd think it might.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think I've trained you twice in your life,
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  Speaker 1: and I trained you on the So Tif's doing a thing.
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  Speaker 1: We can't say what it is at the moment. Well
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  Speaker 1: we can, but I told her I don't want it
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  Speaker 1: to and I will be revealed why. But I'm overseeing
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  Speaker 1: her training at the moment, and it's fair to say
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  Speaker 1: that it's not easy, and it's fair to say that.
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  Speaker 1: You literally sent me a message stay saying I fucking
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  Speaker 1: hate you, which was quite hurtful I feel, especially seeing
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  Speaker 1: as I'm doing it for nothing. I'm an only child.
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  Speaker 1: I'm insecure. A couple of pats on the back wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: go Australia.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't even playing that app eitherhaps they were true emotions.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, keep training. Professor Mark Cohen, Doctor Mark Cohen, Mark Cohen,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to you, just bloody Marko. Welcome to the show, sir, great,
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  Speaker 1: thanks to really happy to be here. What do you
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  Speaker 1: think about the relationship between Tiff and I do there's
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  Speaker 1: a bit of passive aggressive stuff going on. She kind
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  Speaker 1: of it seems like your old buddies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then that that trainer sort of coach and
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  Speaker 3: an athlete relationship has gotten strained.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we it's being a You probably don't know this,
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  Speaker 1: but my arguably I was the first in Australia. So
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  Speaker 1: I started training people. I was one of the first
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  Speaker 1: anyway personal trainers, and then I set up Australia's first
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  Speaker 1: PT center, and so I spent decades literally training people,
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  Speaker 1: working with teams and athletes so that coaching people vibe
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  Speaker 1: and energy. I step into very easily, and it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there are some people who go really well
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  Speaker 1: with it, but then there are other people who really
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  Speaker 1: need a little bit of molly coddling, which is not
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  Speaker 1: really my style, so it doesn't always work well.
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  Speaker 3: There's differ approaches in molly colleen or slapping around all that.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, enough about my bullshit, give us the you know
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  Speaker 1: what your buio was so long, you've done so much stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Rather than me read the two hour kind of thing
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  Speaker 1: I have in front of me, would you be so
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  Speaker 1: gracious as to tell my audience as long or as
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  Speaker 1: briefly as you want mark who you are and what
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  Speaker 1: you do. Sure, I'll try and keep it brief.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm just a human being trying to work out
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  Speaker 3: how to have a fun, happy life. And I've spent
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  Speaker 3: thirty eight years at university studying wellness to try and
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  Speaker 3: find out how I can have a fun, unhappy life.
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  Speaker 3: So I did Western medicine, I did Chinese medicine, I
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  Speaker 3: did psychology, I did electrical computer systems engineering. I spent
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  Speaker 3: half of my medical career. I've had a thirty year
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  Speaker 3: integrated medicine career. So I was head of the Integrated
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  Speaker 3: Medicine Association and very involved in natural medicine.
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  Speaker 1: But it has been half that time.
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  Speaker 3: As a professor at r MIT, I created wellness as
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  Speaker 3: a discipline.
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  Speaker 1: I had a whole bunch of.
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  Speaker 3: PhD students who have studied things like well, you know
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  Speaker 3: Lauren Burns who a lead athlete, you know, lead athlete performance,
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  Speaker 3: but also you know saunas and ice bathing and health
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  Speaker 3: retreats and organic food and yoga and meditation and massage,
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  Speaker 3: basically all.
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  Speaker 1: The fun stuff that's really fun for me.
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  Speaker 3: But it's got no money behind it, no research but
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  Speaker 3: no research funds, no big pharmaceutical industry behind it. But
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  Speaker 3: it was fantastic for me to learn about for myself.
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  Speaker 3: You know, herbal medicine. I've written big textbooks on herbal
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  Speaker 3: medicine that every natural path have studied. Out of the
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  Speaker 3: last twenty years were at the first tech book on
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  Speaker 3: the SPA industry.
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  Speaker 1: I still don't know what I want to do when
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  Speaker 1: I grow up.
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  Speaker 3: That I quit my job as a pro a full
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  Speaker 3: time tenured professor end of twenty eighteen. And you know
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  Speaker 3: after you finish unit, you take a gap year, so
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  Speaker 3: I took a gap year twenty nineteen and covered the
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  Speaker 3: world and ran some retreats. I'm very involved with I
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  Speaker 3: love bathing in hot water, so I'm very involved with
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  Speaker 3: the spa industry and the hot spring industry. I'm part
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  Speaker 3: owner of a hot spring in New Zealand and now
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  Speaker 3: I've just been made medical director of the Peninsula Hot
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  Speaker 3: Spring Group, which is a big hot spring here in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: But they've got five hot springs now. We're opening upon
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  Speaker 3: in Canna Maulla outback Queensland. We've got one in me Tongue,
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  Speaker 3: We've got one in New Zealand. We're opening one in
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  Speaker 3: phillip Island. So I work a lot with the wellness industry.
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  Speaker 3: I'll publish a heap of research, more than one hundred
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  Speaker 3: research papers and textbooks. And lately I've been writing a
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  Speaker 3: lot of poetry, condensing a whole lot of medical wisdom
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  Speaker 3: into very condensed poems. I've written a coup of children's
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  Speaker 3: books which aren't really for children. They're amazingly illustrated books,
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  Speaker 3: but they're very deep consciousness raising messages. So I have
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  Speaker 3: fun by creating connection. I mean, they say the currency
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  Speaker 3: of wellness is connection. Yeah, I love connecting with people,
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  Speaker 3: making ancient wisdom or advance signs sort of understandable to
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  Speaker 3: the mainstream. And I'm a sort of an entrepreneur lately,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm an accidental entrepreneur really. In the first lockdown,
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  Speaker 3: I created a kombucha company that makes probiotics infused with
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  Speaker 3: herbs based on.
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  Speaker 1: All my herbal knowledge.
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  Speaker 3: I have a water filtered company that makes the whole
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  Speaker 3: house filters that have clean water because there wasn't any
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  Speaker 3: filters I could recommend to patients. I still do a
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  Speaker 3: very little bit of medical practice, like half the day
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  Speaker 3: a week online advocate of medical cannabis. But I'm still
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  Speaker 3: trying to work out what I'm going to do when
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  Speaker 3: I grow up.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know how you could
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  Speaker 1: possibly squeeze all that in. But what a bloody interesting life.
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  Speaker 1: So when I think about what lies it the intersection
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  Speaker 1: of philosophy and psychology and science and spirituality and wellness,
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  Speaker 1: it's you. You're in the middle of all of that.
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  Speaker 3: Like what I love is being on the edge of
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  Speaker 3: disciplines but then combining them. So I credit wellness is
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  Speaker 3: an academic discipline, but wellness is not just health science.
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  Speaker 3: It's business practices, it's sustainability, it's design, and I really
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  Speaker 3: love learning that their and bringing disciplines together. So in
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  Speaker 3: integrated medicine, I've always loved bringing natural, complementary traditional medicine
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  Speaker 3: with conventional medicine, or science and spirituality, or the academic
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  Speaker 3: world and the entrepreneurial commercial world.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I like to be at the interface.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a perma culture principle that says the
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  Speaker 3: interesting things happen on the edge, and if you're not
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  Speaker 3: living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
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  Speaker 3: So I like living on the edge.
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  Speaker 1: So the guy who kind of lived in academia but
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  Speaker 1: not really, well, you're in it, but you're out of it,
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  Speaker 1: and you kept pushing the boundaries and stepping into other
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  Speaker 1: places and other areas and expanding and intersecting with other
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  Speaker 1: people doing other things. Was that embraced by your fellow
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  Speaker 1: academics or was it frowned upon once you started to
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  Speaker 1: open all of these doors that weren't particularly scientific.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I actually had a pretty good reception, but like
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  Speaker 3: I always say, I was standing on the shoulders of giants.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a group of doctors who came like the
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  Speaker 3: about ten fifteen years older than I. Am really fought
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  Speaker 3: the medical system that got de registered. You know, they're
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  Speaker 3: always rubbish and doing natural people like Ian gaul Or
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  Speaker 3: and Ian Bright Hope and Sally and whereas I was
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  Speaker 3: still on their shoulder. And because I had a medical
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  Speaker 3: degree and a PhD and I always talked about research
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  Speaker 3: and evidence space, I was actually quite accepted. So I
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  Speaker 3: thought I was the guy on the TV to talk
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  Speaker 3: about defending natural medicines when there was a natural medicine,
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  Speaker 3: or they'd roll me out at a cardiology conference or
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  Speaker 3: rheumatology conference to tea to speak to specialists about natural
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  Speaker 3: medicine because I didn't want natural path talking to medical specialists.
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  Speaker 3: But that have me as a doctor with science and
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  Speaker 3: research behind me. So I've actually had a pretty good run.
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  Speaker 3: But having said that, I started out I as a Monish university.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's where I did my medical degree. But then
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  Speaker 3: I spent ten years creating a center for complementary medicine
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  Speaker 3: and it wasn't the university wanted it is because I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to create it. A created electives that the students
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  Speaker 3: loved and that brought money, and then I had honored students,
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  Speaker 3: so I sort of created that off my own bat,
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  Speaker 3: but I was able to do it whereas other doctor.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I was the first person to teach acupuncture
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  Speaker 3: to medical students in Australia, not because the university wanted it,
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  Speaker 3: because I thought it was a fun thing to do that.
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  Speaker 1: It was so I got to do that. And then
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  Speaker 1: at r MIT I.
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  Speaker 3: Got this great position to be attended Professor of Complementary Medicine.
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  Speaker 3: And I wanted to create wellness as an academic discipline.
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  Speaker 3: It's not because the university wanted it. I just wanted
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  Speaker 3: to have wellness as a discipline. It was a really
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  Speaker 3: good sort of field for me to play in. I've
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  Speaker 3: got to interact with all these different professionals and perma
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  Speaker 3: culture and yoga and positive psychology and bring all that
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  Speaker 3: into a you know, a postgraduate forum. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: was allowed to do it. It wasn't really because the
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  Speaker 3: university wanted it. I did it off my own bat
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  Speaker 3: and it was a lot of fun to do. But
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  Speaker 3: I've had a really good run because I think I
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  Speaker 3: have had a really firm foot in the evidence based
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  Speaker 3: conventional medical world, as I'm really firm foot in the
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  Speaker 3: you know, the spirituality natural medicine side. And I didn't
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  Speaker 3: really well, I represented both it very well. Both both
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  Speaker 3: sides were happy with you know, you know, I bought
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  Speaker 3: value to both sides.
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  Speaker 1: So like a lot of people in their career are
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  Speaker 1: driven by ticking boxes or you know, status or making
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  Speaker 1: lot to do, nothing wrong with any of those things.
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  Speaker 1: But but what drives you because it seems like a
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  Speaker 1: myriad of things, Well, I mean curiosity, Fun. Well how
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  Speaker 1: do I focus on fun?
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  Speaker 3: How can I have the best, most fulfilling, rewarding life
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  Speaker 3: and one of the most fun things to do. So
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  Speaker 3: that's really been my driving goal since I started into medicine.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, I think I do have this sort
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  Speaker 3: of inferiority complex because I mean, who needs two PhDs
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  Speaker 3: and a medical degree and honors degree and all these
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  Speaker 3: So I lo was clicking degrees and credibility because I'm
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  Speaker 3: probably very insecure. But really I went into medicine originally
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  Speaker 3: ninety eighty two because I wanted to have fun. And
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  Speaker 3: I think in medicine would teach me about the body
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  Speaker 3: and life and death and everything in between, will teach
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  Speaker 3: me how I can have the most fun fulfilling life.
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  Speaker 3: Not because I wanted to help sick people. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: fun has been really the focus. And you know, when
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  Speaker 3: I pick my students, I pick students who are got
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  Speaker 3: something I'm going to learn from and it's something I'm
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  Speaker 3: very interested in. So I've had a really diverse research
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  Speaker 3: career and a really diverse student population. Who are you know,
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  Speaker 3: PhD students and things, because I'd follow the fun and
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  Speaker 3: funny is always happening at the edge as well. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: fun happens at the edge of your capacity. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 3: you know what's do and everything, it's just become boring
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  Speaker 3: and we can make money that way, but money has
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  Speaker 3: never been my dry.
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  Speaker 1: Having fun has So that's fir, that's my focus. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think that a lot of people when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to career settle and you know, we find sounds a
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  Speaker 1: bit judge. I don't mean it too but you know,
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  Speaker 1: we do a thing and we wake up five years later,
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  Speaker 1: we're still doing the thing that doesn't really blow our
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  Speaker 1: socks off or fulfill us. But we're in a kind
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  Speaker 1: of a groundhog days of operating system and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it ticks a box and it meets the needs. There's
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of joy, there's not a lot of learning,
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  Speaker 1: there's not a lot of fun, but we've got to
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  Speaker 1: have a job, and so this is the job, and
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  Speaker 1: then after we've done the job, then we'll try and
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  Speaker 1: have some fun. Then. I think that's typical.
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  Speaker 3: I think most people are like that, because you know,
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  Speaker 3: you need security, you need to be able to pay
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  Speaker 3: your bills and feed your family and those things, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, you fall into a position that provides that security,
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  Speaker 3: and then it becomes really scary to move outside that.
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  Speaker 3: And I've had some really edgy times in my career
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  Speaker 3: where I was going into the unknown and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have security. I didn't know if it was
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  Speaker 3: going to work out, and that was pretty edgy, and
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  Speaker 3: I was fortunate that I was in you know, I
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  Speaker 3: was able to deal with that in security, but also
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  Speaker 3: I thought I had a good backup with my family
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  Speaker 3: and my degree. It's going to go aways, go back
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  Speaker 3: into medicine, but I think that's quite typical. And then
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  Speaker 3: people have this that's where you have the work life,
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  Speaker 3: divide the work for money and security, and then you
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  Speaker 3: have your life where you have your fun. Whereas I've
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  Speaker 3: never really done that, and right now it's like I
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  Speaker 3: don't I mean, I'm sitting at home in my kitchen
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  Speaker 3: table right now. I don't know if I'm working. This
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  Speaker 3: is you know, this is not just what I do.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just living my life and things happen. But I
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  Speaker 3: think most people do have that compromise, and I think
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  Speaker 3: that society is built that way. That you have a job,
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  Speaker 3: then that's what you get paid for, and then you
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  Speaker 3: have recreations and holidays and after time, and that's when
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  Speaker 3: you get your enjoyment. And if they talk about work
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  Speaker 3: life balance, but it's really difficult.
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  Speaker 1: If you're really.
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  Speaker 3: Dividing, if you don't like what you do, then then
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  Speaker 3: slowly who's killing you.
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  Speaker 1: I talk about a thing doc called work impact, so
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  Speaker 1: not work life balance, but whatever you do, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: twenty hours a week or sixty hours a week, what
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  Speaker 1: impact physically, mentally, emotionally that thing has on you. Because
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  Speaker 1: I'm a bit like you. I haven't had a job
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  Speaker 1: in inverted commas since I was twenty six, which was
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  Speaker 1: thirty three years ago. So I've worked for myself forever,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't really have a sense of well, I
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  Speaker 1: have no sense of a job, and even when I work,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really have I don't know what the experience
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  Speaker 1: of work is for others. But for me, like right now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is part of my job in inverted commas,
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  Speaker 1: talking to you, interviewing you. We're on a podcast, we
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  Speaker 1: have sponsors where associated with Nova, we're on their platform.
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  Speaker 1: This is you know. But but you and I could
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  Speaker 1: be at the cafe talking and it would be the
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  Speaker 1: same sense for me, the same experience.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I think you know it To regard though, I
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  Speaker 3: think we're both I'm born in sixty four, so it
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  Speaker 3: sounds like we're about the same time as September sixty three.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, But and I think some like you might
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  Speaker 1: do eighty hours a week of something, and people go
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  Speaker 1: eighty hours is too much. Don't do eighty that's ridiculous,
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  Speaker 1: Like what if you love it? I do eighty hours
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  Speaker 1: every week because I'm studying full time and working full time.
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't But when I'm working, like for me
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  Speaker 1: that the over arching experience is something between curiosity and
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  Speaker 1: joy and fun. There's very little that I do where
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  Speaker 1: I go. I fucking hate this. I am not like that.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing feels like labor to me. The only thing that
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  Speaker 1: I I don't love to do, which I do, which
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  Speaker 1: you would understand more than any of us is you know,
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  Speaker 1: reading journal articles and you know for all my research
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, which doesn't light my fire, but it's part
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  Speaker 1: of the process, you know. I actually like reading journal articles,
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  Speaker 1: which stuff I can. I send you a few and
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  Speaker 1: you just give me the fucking reader's digest versions. Send
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  Speaker 1: it there software that AI software that will do that
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  Speaker 1: for you much. Now, Which is did you rearkable when
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  Speaker 1: you when you were studying medicine at Monash, which is
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  Speaker 1: where I'm studying. So you're in this it's very kind
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  Speaker 1: of structured kind of medical model, and you're learning Western medicine.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, in the middle of that. Were you curious
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  Speaker 1: about we completely invested in that and when this is
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  Speaker 1: me for the next thirty years or were you simultaneously
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  Speaker 1: thinking about Eastern medicine and Eastern philosophies and all the
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  Speaker 1: other kind of things that intersect. Well, I absolutely was,
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  Speaker 1: so I did.
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  Speaker 3: I started off in Moe Nash Western medicine, and I
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  Speaker 3: did three years of that and thought, hey, I haven't
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  Speaker 3: learned how to have fun at all. They've taught me
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  Speaker 3: a lot about disease and illness, but not about wellness.
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  Speaker 3: I actually took a year off and did an Honors
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  Speaker 3: degree in psychology and physiology. And at the time I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to study pleasure. But that this is like fifteen
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: twenty years before positive psychology was a thing. So I
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  Speaker 3: actually they said you can study pain, so I didn't
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  Speaker 3: honor and I think a pleasure in pain. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's a fine line, you know. If I learned about one,
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  Speaker 3: I learned about the other side. She did an honors
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  Speaker 3: degree in psychology and physiology, so covering mind and body.
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  Speaker 3: And in that year I came across you know, Chinese
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  Speaker 3: medicine and acupuncture and reading about these Chinese martial artists
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  Speaker 3: and meditators who improve with age. I thought, I want
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  Speaker 3: some of that, you know, I want to improve with age.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: We're at the Western medicine. You know, you deteriorate with age,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: and you know it's all about how you manage that
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: aging detail creation process. So I got really intrigued by
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Eastern medicine. So I went back and did my fourth
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: year of my medical degree to get some clinical experience,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: and then I took three years off my medical degree
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: to do a PhD in Chinese medicine. So I was
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: right in the middle of my and that was a
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: big That was one of those moments where I pulled
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: the security out from under it.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Me.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I'd studied four years of medicine, did an honors degree,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: and suddenly I'm off traveling to Asia to study acupuncture
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: and may never come back. But I was sort of
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: driven to do that because it was my curiosity and
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: I thought that would be much more fun and I
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: couldn't live with myself if I hadn't followed my own
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: no path.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: So you did three years of medicine, then you did honors,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: then did fourth year of medicine, then you went. I
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: love how you say you had a year off, and
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: in the year off you did honors in physiology, and
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: so it's not really a year off, bro, but anyway,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and then you took another three years off in inverted
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: commas and did a PhD, which, by the way, is
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: pretty quick to do a PhD. Did you then come
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: back and do your fifth.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Year or I came back there and finished my medical
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: and started working as a doctor and the intern and
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: did that, And then I did a second PhD in
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: electrical computer systems engineering, just because I wanted to understand
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: how technology could assess the body and how the body
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: works from a communication perspective, and we study communication networks
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: for electrical computer systems.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Engineers not no doctors. Wow, and so do you what
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: do you? I mean, I'm sure you think a million things.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: So this is a dumb question, but I'll open the
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: door about the you know, the convergence of biology and
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: technology now where like it's it's becoming intertwined.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: It's mind blowing. I've I've just written an article on
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: biohacking for the Global Wellness Institute. I've been part of
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: the Global Wellness Institute for the last seventeen years. You
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: had to do a bit of research on this because
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I've always been on the front of that technology biology interface.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: So you know, like looking at devices that you know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: buyo feedback and consciousness tech, you know, binoral beats and
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: that sort of stuff, which I'm studying in the nineteen eighties.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: And if you look what's happening now, it's mind blowing.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: In you know, you've heard about zeno bots, the living robots.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: That are they alive?
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Are they know their machines, but they're living and they
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: can reproduce and they can know they can die, but
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: then they can spoil others.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: And so we're getting.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: To this borderline of what is alive and what is
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: what is living? And then you've got all the AI,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: which is is that sentient? How do you know when
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: it's sentient? And then you've got and this is what
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I was really interested when I was when I was
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: making the decision to study medicine nineteen eighty one, I figured,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: one day, we're going to be able to control all
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: the sensory inputs into the body, no site, sound, tage, taste, smell, temperature, everything,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: and you're going to be able to program those inputs
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: to make the best healing experience for you, personalized based
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: on all the information I can get from your body
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: and in real time. And it's you know, we're still
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: not there yet, but we're probably two to five years
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: away from that where you get real time biofeedback that
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: can then either put pressure you know, like massage chairs
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: that can massage your body, or electromagnetic fields, or sight
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: and sound and color or video that is tuned just
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: to you. And we're also getting to the point where
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: technology is getting to master practitioner level, so you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: you go to a master massage therapist, for example, they'll
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: put they'll suss out your body they'll work out where
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the source spots are and they'll put just enough pressure
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: and that gets you to the point of focusing your
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: attention on that point. But just before you WinCE and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: you know contract, they'll relax because they're studying your faith,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: they're studying your breathing, they're studying their own they've got
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: their own intuition of what works, and that's that master
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: practitioner level. Well, we're getting to the point where AI
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: can do that. I mean we've already exceeded the po
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: with you know, AI can beat us in chairs and
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: AlphaGo and poker and Rubik's Cube and all these things.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: But we're getting to the level where AI can actually
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: interact with our body as good or not, if not
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: better than a master practitioner can, and actually interact with
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: us in real time, for you know, healing us, for
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: creating excitement, for creating fun, for taking us on journeys
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: and narrative explorations, that you can pread a whole world
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: that is designed just for you.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I think that're heading towards that. That's not far away. Amazing.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: We had a guy on called Andrew Hessel who's a
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: microbiologist and a geneticist he was on the other day
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: and we're talking about synthetic biology and we're talking about
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: genetic engineering and programming cells and like totally personalized drugs
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: built for your DNA, and it's it's it's bloody overwhelming.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: It's the stuff I being really.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I mean they can already they can they can three
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: D print an ear or a bladder and body parts,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: so they take stem cells and they can take a skin,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you know, skin scaffold. So you're talking about body modification.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: So just for.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Fashion, if you want you want to have wings in
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the future, they'll be you'll be able to order which
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: we want and they'll be part of your body.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: You know, if you want to.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Have an extra ear or pix pixi ears or whatever
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: shape you want.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: This is all coming.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: The synthetic biology and that it's not even just synthetic,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: it's it's you can actually transform real biology. And we're
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: doing that already with you know, Crisper, and there's these
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: biohackers and inject themselves with gene editing technology to grow
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: their muscles or you know that you can buy gene
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: editing stuff online to make glow in.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: The dark beer.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: So you yeah, it's I mean it's really crazy the
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: technology that we're coming up, and it is this merging of.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: The inanimate world with the animate world, you know.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: And if you go back to the angel and ancient wisdom,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I really like combining advanced signs with ancient wisdom. I mean,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: everything was alive. There was no distinction betweenimate and animates.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: And I think we're coming back to that, you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: as a big sort of spiraling back, but with using
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: modern technology for that realization.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like a long long time ago, as a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: species and as individuals within that species, because of the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: environment that we lived in and what we did and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: what we didn't have, I feel like we were much
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: more connected with our body and our physiology and biology,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and that we were much more intuitive and instinctive. And
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: in twoenty and twenty three, where you've got access to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: everything you know in terms of food and booze and
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: drugs and everything to change your state is just you know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: three feet away, we've kind of become disconnected from that biofeedback.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I think we have lost our own intuitive sense of
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: who we are, and I think that you can reclaim
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: that and a lot of the things I talk about
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: are trying to reconnect people to that sense of their
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: own biology, of their own physiology, and I think there
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: is a danger, you know, with all these biometric devices
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: now you know the fits and the aura rings and stuff,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: where you know, it's nice to know how well you
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: sleep and how many steps you've done, but you sort
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: of it detaches.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: You from your own intuition.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: You lose faith in your own intuitive sense of your body,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: and you're trusting output from some device.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, there'll be a circling back.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: So we're actually not going to need this technology at all,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: but we're not there yet.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: They're still That's such a good point, Like when we
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: would look at a number that's on our watch and
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: would feel good or bad based on that number. Yeah,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: not how well you sleep.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Oh look, you know my watch that tells me how
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: well I sleept, rather than knowing when I wake up
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: in the morning.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was a good night's sleep. So over the years,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: dock one of the things that I did thousands of times,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: which I wouldn't do anymore. But back then we didn't
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: know any better. But in the old days, in the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, we would weigh members or weigh clients
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: every whatever, once a week or something. People would want
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: to be weighed. And somebody could be having a great day,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: they're happy, everything's good, and they stand on the scales
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: and they look at a number that appears between their
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: toes and then all of a sudden, life shit, they're
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: having a bad day. They're depressed, they're you know, because
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: some number appears between their toes that isn't the number
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that they want. But thirty seconds ago, they felt really
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: good physically, mentally, emotionally, felt really good. And then now
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: they've got a new bit of information. Now they feel
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: terrible despite all the physiological kind of stuff that was,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you know, a minute ago, they were good.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: And I think, I mean, I see that a lot
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: in medicine. So for example, there's this been trend in medicine,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: especially natural medicine, where they'll do still a whole lot
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: of testing, yeah, just your blood, you know, seerum, rhubarb
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: and minerals and whatever, rather than actually find out what
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: what symptoms you have and treating the patient.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I think you know when.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: You when you actually really and it does take a
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: lot of skill to take a good history and you
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: inquire into a patient how they're feeling, and you know
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: when do that starts and really investigating what's happened. So
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: it's very easy just to order a pathology test and
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: seeing your minerals, your blood levels or whatever, and then
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: treating the numbers on the pathology test rather than actually
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: treating the patient. And I think there is a place
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: for both. I mean, it's really good to have information,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and the more information you've got you can make better decisions.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: But to rely just on that information field decision making
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: and not rely on the intuitive side and the experiential
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: side of what's actually happening, I think the danger there
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: will we're sort of the technology becomes between us and
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: our intuition.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I know you don't see patients too often these days,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: but when you do, when somebody comes to you as
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a you know, a medical doctor, do you ever put
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: on another hat and go I actually think you should
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: go and work in the garden, or go for a jog,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: or it's some acupuncture or you know, play with your
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: puppy seven times a day.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I've been I guess I'm famous for doing that
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: for the last thirty years, where I'd write prescriptions which would
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: be going to play with your puppy, or draw dragons,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: or go dancing. And but what I do is actually
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: ask people what do you do that. When you do it,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: you lose track of time. You're so absorbed in the activity.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: You're not worrying about the future, you're not feeling guilty
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: about the past. You're just absorbed in that activity. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: often you you know, some people would say I don't
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: have anything like that, and they were the really sick ones.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: And other people wud say, oh, yeah, I used to
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: do ballroom dancing, or I used to paint, or I
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: used to garden. And you'd inquire and you'd see how
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: that their illness actually deteriorated when they stopped doing those activities.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: So I would prescribe. I'd get a script pad out.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: You know, I've been seeing patients this morning. Actually I
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: get to that out and I'd actually write, you know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: gardening three times a week or no ballroom dancing three
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: times a week. I'd say, you know, put this on
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: your fridge. This is your prescription. This is what you
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: need to do. And it was amazing the change you're
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: getting people. Yes, and either when you get people to
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: talk about the things they love, because as a doctor.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: You know, you're asking about their pain and you know
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: to travel here and there and how does it come
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: on and off? So you're asking people about negative things
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: in their lives. I would take a pleasure history. What
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: are the most fun things you have in your life?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: What's your reason for living? What are the things you
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: do but you really enjoy? And when people start to
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: talk about those things, their voice changes, their posture changes.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: You can see them in live and in front of you,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: just as they're sharing with you. You know, the activities
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: that they really enjoyed. And that was really powerful to
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: focus on. So I mean, one example, I remember I
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: had an old patient who was a Vietnam vest. He'd
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: broken everybody bone in his body as a paratrooper, and
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: he had this ronic pain condition and he was getting
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: pathodene injections and there was not even off space in
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: his body to put the injections because it was all
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: freybrosed up. But the one thing he did with fly
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: remote control aeroplanes. This is in the nineteen nineties, and
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: when he was focusing on and he was like austrange
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: champion at it. But when he was focusing on airplanes,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: his pain wasn't an issue, wow, But the rest of
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: the time it was so you know, having something that
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: you love to do and you focus on that, that's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: actually medicine, and that's what i'd prescribe.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I do that commonly, isn't it? Do you
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: find it in Probably people listen to you and respect
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you a lot more than they do me. But I
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: find it interesting sometimes when people talk to you about,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you know, if they're flat or they're depressed or they're anxious,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about doing something that is like we
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: spoke about like playing hanging out with your animals or
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: being in nature or listening to music or meditating, or
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but what do you
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: think is xanax? Yeah? I'm like, well, one, I'm not
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a doctor, but two, you know, why don't we like
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a We're a culture that seems to have more faith
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in drugs than I mean, there are so many things
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that can lower your heart rate and lower your blood
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: pressure and reduce anxiety and that that don't involve any
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: kind of drug. So I've got a poem for this.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: At the start of the pandemic, I was thinking, you know,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: because I've studied all these complimentary medicines.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I've written all these research.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Papers on them, So I saying, what are all the
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: activities you can do at home with no cost, no training,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: and no equipment that have research evidence that they reduce anxiety,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: improve immunity.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: And yeah, they've got evidence behind them.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: So I've started writing these out and it came and
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: it came out of the poem. So this I'm sort
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: of I'm proud of this poment. It's got fifty activities
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: in it, hear it. If you go to my website,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: you can click on each of these activities and it
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: will link to the research behind it's.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: You know what, We've never in five years and one
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: thousand and nearly eleven hundred episodes, we've never had anyone
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: share a pime. So this is the debut for typ pimes.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: And this is a systematic review poem, so it's evidence
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: based poem. I call it the World of Wellness and
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: it goes like this, Hold someone's hand, gaze into their eyes,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: go barefoot in nature, bask in sunrise, choose a dance
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: partner and go find your groove, do tuch your yoga
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: and mindfully move, share a massage, enjoy healing, touch focus
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: on one thing and don't think too much. Make time
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: for a hobby, play chess, fly kite, make use of
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: your hands, draw paint, so or right. Help someone in need,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Donate to a cause, play games, meditate, read stuff from bookstores,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: turn off your screens, get a good sleep, declutter, spark
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: joy and love.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: What you keep.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Dig around in the garden, pick up a guitar, Slip
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: into a bathtub, sauna or spa. Care for a pet,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: take up a sport, Go on vacation and make your
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: home a resort. Lie in a hammock relief pent up stress,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: relax and do nothing and then do even less. Laugh
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: out loud, share a joke, give someone a kiss, say
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: a prayer, chant a mantra, and follow your bliss.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So that that's pretty amazing. I love that. Where can people
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: find that mark on my website?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Doctor mark dot co, d r M A r C
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: dot co and forward slash poems.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And all research backed. That's all research back.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: So each one of those activities has a link to
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: the to the systematic review or the randomized control trial that.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: That's backing it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: And I give I think of that that poem to
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: my patience, I say, have include as many of these
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: activities in your life you can.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: You know what I laughed is just before when you
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: said I've been seeing patients this morning and you held
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: up a script pad there, I would think, one because
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: you're a medical doctor, and two because you're writing. Even
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: if it's like go dancing, or even if it's you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes a day line the floor with your dog,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you know, or twice a day, but it's on a
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: script pad. It's given to me by a doctor. I'm
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: much more likely to do it. That's it. You just
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: told me to do it. I'm less likely. But if
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you write it out on a script I feel like, well, shit,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: this is clinical. I've got to do this.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: That's right, and put it on your fridge, you know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the fringe magnet. Yeah, so it gives it some authority
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: to do that. At the moment, I just write scripts
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: of medical cannabis, so I don't really write other other scripts.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Well, now you're going to get in undated. I don't
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: need more patient. Don't really know. One of the things
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that we've spoken about I reckon five times in a
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: thousand episodes. I'm interested in your take on it, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: in fact, Tiff and I spoke about a guy that
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: we've both spoken with a bit called Professor Jeffrey Reddicker
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: from Harvard who is a researcher and but specializes or
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: spends a lot of time and effort researching spontaneous healing
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and plus ebos and all of that. What do you
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: think of all that?
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Do you?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Where do you sit with the you know, our ability
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to heal ourselves from things that apparently are death sentences.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Or terminal Yeah, I mean, I believe nature has infinite
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: healing power.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: And I've because I've.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Been in this natural medicine world for thirty plus years,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: I've seen so many cases of dramatic healing.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a good friend with Ian Gawler.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a case study of you know, he had
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: these cannonball lesions in his lungs and the bony cancers
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: all the way through his lungs and given six weeks
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: to live and what forty years later he's still around
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: and you know, transformed his life through you know, sort
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: of meditation and you know, lifestyle change. So I've seen
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: some really dramatic turnarounds.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Mean, if you have a look what humans are capable
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: of it's mind blowing, you know, some of these amazing
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: YouTube videos of what people can do, and now how
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: to turn that on? Because the one thing to say, Okay,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: there's these examples of it, how do you actually activate it?
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: And some of those activities in my poem and those activities,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: but when you move track of time so you're sort
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: of at one with the universe, that's there. They're the
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: activities that can potentially turn that on. But there is
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: no answer of how to know switch that on for everybody,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: and not that you want to. I mean, in Western medicine,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: we see death as the enemy and you know, fight
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: it at all costs. But I've seen people have amazing, beautiful,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: really wanted and welcome death and they were really successful.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: But Western medicine still sees that as a failure as
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: a death.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Think we have incredible power. I mean, the whole placebo effect.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's so powerful you have to control for
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: it and all these experiments because it works. Yeah, it
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: works a lot of the time.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: What about one of the great challenges, especially twenty twenty three,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I think its been around forever really about post pandemic.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation around anxiety. Is anxiety produced
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: more by the situation and circumstance or more by the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: individual in the middle of it. Oh, certainly by the individual.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: And a lot of the stuff I've been teaching people
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: now and working on is how you can remain really
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: calm and relaxed in the midst of a really chaotic
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: and stressful situation. So there's things like I did a
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: too with Bim Half and you know, how to teaching
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: people how to stay in an ice bath, which is
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: not really comfortable, but how do you then relax when
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: you're in an ice bath? And the work we did
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: with Lauren actually, Lauren Burns is using gold medice in taekwondo,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: and she was one of my PhD students, and we
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: investigated these world champion athletes who'd be multiple world champions
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: and said, how do you stay in the top of
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: the world in your sport for so many years? I mean,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: what you eat, what do you think? How do you live?
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: And we found out that they all did ice bathing,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: and they did it for the mental health benefits of
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: how to relax in a stressful situation. And I think
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: that's a really important skill. I mean yoga gives you
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: that skill. When you do a yoga stretch, you sort
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: of go to the edge of your stretch, and there's
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: a point that I call the point of forced mindfulness.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: That's the point where your body says, don't go any further.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: You're going to hurt yourself. You don't stretch any further.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: And if you do stretch, if you try and push
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: past that, you're going to tear a muscle and you
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: reduce your flexibility. If you just go to that point
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: of where you're feeling quite stress and you're at the
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: edge of your tolerance, and then you practice relaxing and breathing,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: so you're relaxing in that stressful situation. The same thing
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: happens in a sauna or an ice bath. There's a
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: point where your body says, get out, it's too much,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: when you're about to tap out. And at that point,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: if you can just relax and practice being relaxed under stress,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: that builds up your resilience. But if you do that
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: what I recommend, and this naturally happens in the open class,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: so you know you're doing your stretches and your stretch
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: one side and the other side, and you go to
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: the point of that no forced mindfulness, you'll being comfortably uncomfortable.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: So you practice being relaxed under stress.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: But then at the end of the class you go
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: into schvacinating at the corpse pose and you do a
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: deep relaxation and then you're practicing relaxing while you're relaxed.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: And when you do that, you go.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Much deeper into the relaxation because you've stressed yourself earlier,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: so the contrast between the stress and the relaxation is greater.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: And when you really relax deeply like that, all your
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: stress hormones can't fall back into balance, your mental activity
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: comes back into balance, and you really get in touch
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: with your inner self. That's a great time to make
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: decisions if you have to have to make an important
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: decision because you're or in touch with yourself literally and
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: it's a really good time to heal.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That's when your body doesn't healing.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I really encourage people to go to the
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: limits of their stress and practical relaxing while they're stressed,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: but then balance that with having a deep relaxation and
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: practicing being relaxed while you're relaxed.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Lauren if Lauren's listening. We love you your
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: ace and thanks for connecting the doc and us. It's
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: much appreciated. Yeah, that's that that equanimity, that calm in
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the chaos, right, That being able to, you know, despite
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: what's going on around, you self regulate and to be
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: able to as much as James Bond effect. Right.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: We love about James Bond because you know, there's all
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: these chaos going around, but he knows who to shoot
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: and who to care for you to go through and
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do I make good decisions and do smart
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: things and act and react the way that is optimal
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the shipfest that's going That's right,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: that's going on around.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: But the way to do it is you create a
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: ship best and you practice doing that and then when
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: life throws it at you, then you can deal with it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: That's so true. Is like we in fact back to TIFFs.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: So TIFF's training for this thing that will remain nameless,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: but it's going to be horrible potentially, And so I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: said to her, like the other day, I've been getting
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: it to do things that a lot of them are
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: fucking horrible, and I go, you need to be used
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: to horrible because if we just get you traditionally fit,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: you know, that's great, but if we're doing it in
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: a methodical, reasonable, comfortable, sensible way. When you get in
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the middle of this thing that you're training for where
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: it isn't predictable, it isn't nice, it isn't comfortable, it
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: isn't familiar, it's freezing, you're in the middle of water,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: you're here, you're there. There's all this shit going on
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that you haven't dealt with, Like you know, for me,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: even as an exercise physiologist, I think it's thirty percent
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: about your body and seventy percent about all the other stuff.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: You know, so me trying to get and the same
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: with you know, I've worked with lots of professional athletes,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and you know, understanding what their body needs to be
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: doing to execute what they need to do for their
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: sport or task or activity is fundamental. But you can
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: get any brilliant, genetically gifted athlete who's beautifully trained, but
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: if they can't perform under pressure, they're fucked. You can't
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: be a Lauren Burns, no matter how great your body
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: or genetics or skill or talent is, if you can't
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: go to the Olympic Games and under extreme pressure execute,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: you know. And that's the thing is, so it's like, yeah, fit, strong, functional,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: specifically trained, well nourished, well slept, you know, all the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: all the physiological buttons pushed. Yep, sure, but can you
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: deal with shit? Can you do what most people would
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: give up on?
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: And that's where you know, you can recreate a ship
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: storm and practice it exhibiting the ship storm and then
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: and then then you actually feel it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: That does It.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Builds your physiological resilience. It also builds your confidence because
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: when you can do that, you feel like you can
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: handle anything. You feel invincible. And yeah, that's what I
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: really know. I love teaching people that and I do
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: a lot through bathing because bathings. Most people think bathing's
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: really comfortable. You know, you go to hot springs and
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: your lie in hot water. It's really and it is,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: that's super relaxing and super comfortable. But you go into
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: an ice bath and after a minute or two you
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: really want to get out, Or you go into a
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: sauna and after ten, fifteen, twenty minutes you really want
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: to get out because your body is suffering and dealing
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: And as you've got another little poem here.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: So the last poem was all about the chronic things
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: you can do to keep yourself relaxed. So this is
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: in the acute situation, when the ship storm is hitting you,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: there's what you want to do is activate your parasympathetic
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: nervous system because normally, you know when the ship storm hits,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: you've got your sympathetic nervous system where it's fight and flight,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: so you know up and your adrenalines up. But when
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: you're in fight and flight, often that's fearful and your
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: brain turns off. In that fight and fight, you don't
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: want to think about it. You want to act instinctively,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: so you don't have time or should I do this
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: or that? But if you can calm yourself down, you
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: can make a better decision. And there's a way to
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: do that to stimulate your rest and digest your parasympathetic
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: nervous system. And there are things you can do with
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: your body, very simple things that will activate your parasympathetic
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: nervous system. And like all these things, the ten hacks
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: to relax, and it's super simple. It's touch all your fingers,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: wiggle your toes, soften your stomach, breathe through your nose, thigh, smile,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: wallow thing, flutter your eyelids, and focus within. Now, all
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: of those activities activate your parasympathetic nervous system. And there
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: are all activities you do when you're safe in your cave,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: when you're running away from the tied or fighting a battle.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so smart that you do that. I mean,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: it's so smart that you you're teaching people, you know,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: because people can memorize that quite easily, and recall.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: That I was teaching to a patient this morning with
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: PTSD and anxiety and having panic attacks. And when the
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: panic attack comes on, if you've got things you can
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: do that give you a sense of control, but they
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: actually calm your nervous system. And this is you know
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: the you know, the power of Vaguel, you know the
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Vagel theory where you can have sympathetic nervous system high
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: because you're in a high adrenaline situation, but then you
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: can increase your vagual activity, your parasympathetic so you can
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: still be relaxed in that chaotic situation. And that's when
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: you make the best decisions. That's when you can get
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: the edge over your component, your opponent, and.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Where you for much better.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: So it's how do you stop panicking and stay calm
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: when the ship storm hits. And these sort of tricks
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: can help, so.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: You can be cognitively and physiologically optimal at the same time. Now,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: maybe forty percent of my audience, I'm guessing do not
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: know who wim Hoff is. I do. I'm a fan.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Tif you know, of course, don't you. Yep, one tell
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: us who he is and tell us what you did
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: with him. So whims they call him the iceman. So
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: he sort of made ice fading quite famous.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: He has a method that involves breathing where you breathe
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: as much as you can so hyperventilate and blow off
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: all your carbon dogs side and get dizzy and lightheaded
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: and really uncomfortable, and then you hold your breath for
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: as long as you can. And it just happens when
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: you if you blow off all your carbon dox side
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: and hold your breath, you can hold your breath.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: For a long time, and anyone can do that.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: And then he also promoted he had the world record
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: for many years of the longest spent in an ice
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: bath over an hour. He can spend in full ice
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: and control his body temperature and then no one could
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: believe that he could train anyone else to do that.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: And they actually tested him. They did some research on
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: him where they gave him injected him with the poison
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: around E.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Coli.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: So it's it's pretending you've got a blood infection without
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: active bacteria. So it's the lipoprotein coat around the bacteria.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: That's what your body reacts to when you've got septocemia
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: or blood infection. So they gave that to him and
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: he did his breathing, did his thing, and he didn't
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: get affected by it at all, and they couldn't believe.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: And he's this amazing charismatic dutch Man who's got a
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: lot of bravado and a lot of self confidence. And
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: they said, you know, oh yeah, you can do that
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: because you're a freak. He goes, no, I can teach
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: anyone to do it, And they said, how long you
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: take a year of training on? Take them on the weekend,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: and they said, oh yeah, sure, And he did it.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: He took a group of about twenty five people away
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: in Poland and I think maybe he took him for
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: five days or a week and trained him on the
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: training them on the breathing trained them on the ice bathing.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: They did end up walking up a mountain in the
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: snow in their in their board shorts, and a week
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: later they all tested with the same injection of what
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: should have been a sept to see me, which gives
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: you fever and chills and pains for twenty four hours,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: and they were able to do it as well. So
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: he has this whim half method, which is the breathing
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: and the ice bathing where he trains people to overcome
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: their own sort of body, their own physiology. And he
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: came to Australia about five years ago, especially living up
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: in NUSA at the moment, I think, and I sort
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: of toured with him giving the lecture on the science
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: behind the whim half method. And it was really interesting
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: for me to formula research there because I had already
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: done a lot of research on breathing practices and bathing
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: practices and stuff. So I sort of condensed that together.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: And so you know, we went to Brisbane and Sydney
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: in Melbourne and we had like five hundred people would
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: come to an event and they'd all do two minutes
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: in an ice bath.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: And when you do two minutes on an ice bath,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: you feel amazing. When you get out, it is.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: In doorphin rush and you feel really powerful. So they're
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: really sort of high vibing events, and so I traveled
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: with him. I ended up doing some research which you
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: never fully got published that will we in survey. One
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: of my PhD students surveyed about four thousand people doing
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: the whim Hoff met and saying, you know, why do
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: you do it?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: What effects do you get? What are the benefits?
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: And it was amazing that people get incredible benefits from
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: PTSD and anxiety, from depression, and from back pain and
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: joint pains and fibromyalga and chronic pain. They were like
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: the big ticket items that people got benefits from. And
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: I think it's especially with the anxiety and the PTSD,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: is like when you go into an ice bath, you
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: naturally you had to ventilate, and that reproduces the breathing
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: pattern and the body chemistry of anxiety of trauma.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: You know, when I was.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Working in emergency departments, you'd have people coming into the
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: emergency department thinking they having a heart attack, but they're
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: hype of ventilating. They're having a panic attack. But it's
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: the same sort of feeling that you're having, well you're
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: about to die and having a panic attack, and you
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: can simulate that by going to an ice bath. But
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: then if you can control your breathing and overcome that,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: it gives you the chance, well, I can overcome this panic.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: And it can be dangerous if you've had really severe
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: trauma in the past and you do that to someone unexpected,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: you can reactivate that trauma. But if you do that
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: in a very controlled environment where they can get out
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: anytime they want, they're in full control of the situation.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: There's a hot bath or a sauna or something that
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: can warm up so they're not going to freeze, then
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: they can actually reproduce that previous trauma, that panic in
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: a way that they're in control of it. And then
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: they can overcome and they can control their breath and
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: relax their breathing down, and suddenly they've got mastery over
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: their own body when they didn't have it before, and
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: that could be super powerful. And often when you're doing
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: big public events or five hundred people sitting in nice bars,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: you need to watch out for the people who are
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: getting triggered by that who and with a bit of coaching,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: pretty much everybody gets through it. But it's a really
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: empowering thing for people to do. But you do have
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: to be a little bit careful because some people are
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: more sensitive. To give people that feeling of control over panic,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: it's such a gift to give to people, do you know.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: You know, so I remember hearing about that where he
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: was in that hospital and they injected him with that
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: whatever it was that made people. Typically it would make
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  Speaker 1: people really unwell for a period of time, and he
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: went give it to me, and they gave it to
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: him and he was completely fine and there. Yeah, and
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: then he trained all those people that were not handpicked
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: by him. I don't think. I think they're actually chosen
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: by the researchers or whatever. Yeah. No, and I hadn't
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: done anything special before. And no, just here I can't like.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: What I don't get is why does that not blow
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: everyone's socks off. Let's research that. Let's lean into Like,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: here's all of these people doing shit that is not
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: meant to be possible. Why are we not pushing into that?
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Is it because it makes no money? There's no money
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: in it?
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I mean what I mean, He's and now you know
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: all the stuff in that poem.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I just read. You know, those activities don't cost anything
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  Speaker 1: and they don't make money for any organizations, do they.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, well, suddenly, I mean the wellness industry and
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: the spa industry in Hot Springs. I mean, yes, nice
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  Speaker 3: and boring, but it's not it's not really a blockbuster
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  Speaker 3: drug that you can make a billion dollars or you know,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: many boultiple billions of dollars out of a molecule by
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: doing that. These are activities. I mean, so for example,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I really I've got to I think I call the
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: cold water hockey pokey, which is a way of so
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: because after the wim Hoff thing and traveling in the
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: ice spading, I was going to lectures, you know, plays
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: like wing Ghana, which is like this luxury health retreat
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: and tell people to you know, going to use cold water.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: And most people say, I know, we hate cold water.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: We can't tolerate it, you know, because people are pretty
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: wimpy generally. So I thought, and you know, wim just
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: do it, you know, get in there. And but the
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: people who come to wim hoffa then, or the alpha
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: males or the alpha females or you know, the firefighters
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: and the martial artists and the footballer, and I.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Was talking to elder women and people.
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  Speaker 3: Who are more sort of relaxed, so though, there must
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  Speaker 3: be a way to do this that's gentle, and I
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  Speaker 3: came up with this what I call the cold water
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  Speaker 3: hokey pokey.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: And you can do it at home in the shower.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't cost any money.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: You see, just basically you start off with a hot shower,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: and then at the end of your nice hot shower,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: you turn the heat up a little bit so you
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: become a bit uncomfortably hot and a bit flushed. And
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: at that point you stand back and you turn the
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: hot water off and the cold water on. But you
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: just get your left foot. It's okay, you've been really hot,
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: and you put your left foot can handle the cold water,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: and then you put your left leg in, and you put
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: your right foot and your leg and then your left
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: hand and arm and your other hand and arm. And
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: what that does it constricts the blood and your limbs
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: and sends that hot blood into the core of your body.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: But you're still feeling okay even though you've got the
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: cold water on your limbs. And then you keep breathing
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: calmly and you smile to yourself, because that's what it's
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: all about. How do you stay calm and have that
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: inner piece, And then then you take a big breath
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: in and before you put your left side in, you
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: start to sigh out. And then you put your left
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: side in, and when the water hits your neck and
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: your sort of upper body. Normally that would when you
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: go oh, it would make you have a big gasp
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: because your blood dessels are close to the surface there
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: and that gives you that shock. But if you're already
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: going as you do that, you feel the cold, but
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: you don't get the shock, so it takes the emotional
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: reaction away from it. So you take a big sigh
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: and you put your left side in, your right side in,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: your front side in, and you turn yourself around and
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: you keeping calmly and smile to yourself, because that's what
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: it's all about. And then you put your whole head
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: in and then you move your head around, you know, standstill,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: get a drenching, slowly, turn yourself around, continue breathing, calmly.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Smile to yourself. That's what it's all about.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: And then you can put the cold water on your
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: kidneys when you're growing and on your arm pits, there
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: are places where your bloodvessels are close to the surface,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: so it sort of chills your body a little bit.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: And you'll find after doing that, you'll be standing in
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: the cold water and you say, oh, it's all right,
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: I can do this, And at that point you're breathing calmly,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: you're in the cold water. You get out and you
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: start your day. And it takes about a minute, like
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: literally one minute to do that. And if you do it,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: you started your day singing and dancing. You come out
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: feeling amazingly alive and invincible. Your hair and your skin
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: improoves because cold water actually is really good for your
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: hair and your skin, and you feel like you can
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: do anything. And the hardest part of that whole thing
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: is the decision to do it. It doesn't cost any money,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: it doesn't take any time. I mean saves money, you're
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: saving hot water. But that decision to do it is
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: that barrier. But if you can overcome that barrier, that
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: procrastination barrier, that can then have like a rollover effect
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: for the rest of your life. So that difficult conversation
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: you want to you had to have, or that job,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: that shitty job you really didn't want to do Suddenly, okay,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: I can just do it, and you just make the
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: decision to do it, and you do it knowing that
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: it's not the best thing to do. You know, it's
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: not the most fun thing to do, but it's actually
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: fun overcoming.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: That hurdle once we get fully immersed, Mark, once I'm
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: all in head, yeah, everything pits knackers. How how long
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: do I stay and need to stay under there? Thirty
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: sixty not.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Even just to the point where you're breathing comfortably, right,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: so that once you're breathing comfortably, that's the biggest hurdle.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Now there is an added benefit if you can get
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: to the point where you become shivery. So at the
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: point of you're not shivering and chattering, but if you're
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: a little bit shivery, then what you've dropped, you've dropped
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: your body temperature, and that does things like activate brown fat,
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: which helps you burn white fat, and that turns on
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: your metabolism, has other benefits. But just the benefit of
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: overcoming the cold and showing that you can actually overcome
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: a difficult situation of be calm just to the point
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: where you're in the cold, breathing calmly that's all you need.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: At that point, you're good to go. Well, if you
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: know what today's activity is, don't you? Hi, Mark, You're amazing.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: We know you've got another podcast coming up. How do
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: people find you? Follow you, connect with you, read your
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: poems and learn more about you and your work.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: So my website is Dr Mark Dr M A r
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: C dot Co. I post a bit on Facebook and
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: on LinkedIn. I'm not really on Instagram. I need to
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: up my social media. But yeah, on my website of
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Facebook or LinkedIn the main sort of avenues, they can
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: email me info I n fo at doctor Mark dot Co.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: They can email me for people you know want to
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: communicate with me at all. Yeah, and I'm upgrading my website.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: But all my poems and stuff are there at the moment,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: and they're all free, and I'm happy to share.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Well, we would love to have you back because you're
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: a killer, But we'll say goodbye. We'll say goodbye off
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: air in a moment, but for the minute. Thanks so
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: much for coming to have a chat with us on
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: typ We really appreciate it. I've been a pleasure, Craig,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm good luck with your training. Tipt sounds like
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: you can be doing.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Mark. It'd be rude for me to have
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: a favorite on typ but I think I just have one.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: I think Mark's just Yeah, you're amazing. I love that.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I've got more poems I can share next time.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, stay there, mate, we'll say goodbye. Thanks everyone. Now
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: you've got lots of things to action, because that was
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: fantastic