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Lauren Pfeifer | Untethered: The Recovery Gown Built for Every Woman Who Deserves to Feel Like Herself in Healthcare · Mama Making Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to the Mama Making Podcast, where we share stories of moms making impact in their own lives and in the world around them.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Jessica, and each week I sit down with women who are building businesses, leading communities, shaping culture, and redefining what success looks like inside of motherhood.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because motherhood does not have to stop your ambition.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can transform it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hello everyone, and welcome to the Mama Making Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Jessica.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're new, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're not new, then welcome back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today I am so excited to have Lauren Pfeiffer on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lauren is a registered nurse, a mother of three, and the founder of Untethered, a mission-driven company that creates thoughtfully designed recovery gowns for women navigating pregnancy, birth, postpartum, cancer, chronic illness, and medical care in general.
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  SPEAKER_01: The idea came when Lauren's mother-in-law entered hospice with metastatic colon cancer, and Lauren, watching someone so extraordinary in an oversized, impersonal hospital gown, understood in a new way how often women's comfort, dignity, and individuality are overlooked in healthcare.
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  SPEAKER_01: She designed the traditional hospital gown to be soft, functional, beautiful, made with organic fabrics, practical features like snap access, pockets, and prints created by female artists.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the heart of everything she does is one conviction.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every woman deserves to feel like herself, even at her most vulnerable moments.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome, Lauren.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for being here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for having me, Jessica.
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  SPEAKER_01: So tell us more about you, who you are, where you're from, whatever you're comfortable sharing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think at the heart of it all is I am first and foremost a mother of three young kids, but I'm also a third generation nurse.
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  SPEAKER_02: So my grandmother was a nurse, my mother is a nurse, and I'm a proud nurse from Boston and also a PhD prepared nurse.
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  SPEAKER_02: And part of that is really focusing on research and exploring how environments and how contexts and experiences really shape outcomes and really shape how we navigate in the world, both as clinicians and as patients.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm also now the proud owner of a small business called Untethered, which also focuses in on that whole importance of context and environment and experiences, really from that patient experience standpoint.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's incredible.
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  SPEAKER_01: So tell me where all of this started, what we talked a little bit in your intro about why you started this, but I want to hear it from the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you came as a bedside nurse to this area as well as doing some reach research as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell us where this all began.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think every single one of us who's ever been in a position of needing to be in the ER or even just at an outpatient visit or when delivering a child, whenever we've been handed a hospital gown, traditionally, what it feels like is that you are disrobing, you're taking off part of who you are, you're leaving part of your identity at the door, and you're taking on this role of, okay, now I'm a patient, and I'm going to conform into this role as a patient, almost like as a specimen, as something that's going to be looked at and examined.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we've all just accepted that as the status quo.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it has always bothered me, both as a clinician and as a patient, to see women in particular, children in particular, have to be exposed and have to give up a piece of who they are in order to receive the care, the high-quality care that they deserve.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it really, really hit hardest when my mother-in-law, who I absolutely adored, was navigating metastatic, non-curative cancer, colon cancer.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so seeing somebody who I love so much and had so much respect for have to relinquish comfort and dignity in order to be part of receive treatment for is such a hard and horrible diagnosis really became the catalyst for me to say we can do something better here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think everybody can identify with just the disrobing piece, I think is stripping away a little bit of dignity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, there's there's a form and a function to it, there's a reason in the healthcare field that they need access to you in your body.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think at a very basic level, that's like pulling away a lot from a person.
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  SPEAKER_01: And not only are you exposed physically, I don't, I think that there's an emotional thing to it as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I love that you're really looking at something that is like a physical necessary function, but seeing how it elicits this emotional response and huge vulnerability as well, just in terms of healthcare.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then once you're entering this stage of life where you're you're towards the end of life in hospice, obviously that that includes a different level of dignity and respect that we are lacking.
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  SPEAKER_01: I totally agree.
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: And also I think it's really important to notice and highlight that the hospital gown itself, the traditional hospital gown we get handed, was made decades and decades ago for men entering the healthcare system.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was never once taken into consideration the unique needs of females or the unique modern day necessities needed.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, yes, clinicians absolutely need access.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that is why I was able to take what I knew from that clinical standpoint and create what I also knew would improve from a patient standpoint so that clinical access didn't have to come really at the expense of comfort and dignity for patients.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would love to get into it a little bit more on the dignity end and healthcare.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, it's a very vulnerable place, like we've talked about, but I think the individuality aspect of it is very interesting as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: What does that look like in your vision, being both clinical and now business owner on the other side of it?
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  SPEAKER_02: I think most people don't realize or appreciate that you are able to bring your own hospital gown with you when you're going to a hospitalization or when you're going to an outpatient procedure or outpatient visit or even when you're going for labor and delivery or going for chemotherapy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so much of who we are in our identity is wrapped up in how we're able to express ourselves, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: When you're going to a job interview, or if you're going to an event, you feel more confident, you feel more optimistic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Your mood and your experience shifts based on how you feel about yourself.
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  SPEAKER_02: And a large component of that is the clothing and the accessories and what we're able to wear and how we're able to represent ourselves in the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so knowing how that can influence us really helped to really help guide the entire vision of what Untethered was going to be about by being able to offer women prints and a form that really allowed them to feel more like they're in a comfortable dress and something that they would probably choose.
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  SPEAKER_02: Truthfully, I wear mine to outpatient dermatology appointments or just going to my pediatrician, not my pediatrician, but my my annual well visit wearing it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll walk in and people be like, oh, that's such a beautiful dress.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh, actually it's a patient gout, without most people realizing that it's even an option that you don't have to give up part of your identity or part of who you are at the door.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think there's a huge piece to it in that there's a level of advocacy that you have to do for yourself in any medical healthcare setting, whatever your beliefs about the health or medical field are.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is a level of advocacy that you have to do for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think when you're stripping down that confidence, it's like your chances of feeling comfortable and confident enough to say, these are my issues.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is what I want done.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is what I came for, this is what I need help with, is lessened when you're wearing something that you're not totally comfortable in.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love, I did it didn't even consider, it didn't even occur to me that you could bring it to your own appointments.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've had a baby in a hospital and it never occurred to me to bring my own robe afterwards, but it never occurred to me to bring my own hospital gown.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the hospital, I I had a planned home birth, wound up transferring to a hospital.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the gown they gave me was so incredible that I wound up asking for another one because I was being transferred.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, can I please have an extra just to take this with me?
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: And until then, it never occurred to me that you could bring your own stuff to your annual well visit or any place you would put on a gown or a wrap or a cloth of any kind.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: It never occurred to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, it's true.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's it's honestly, and of course, there are unique circumstances for every situation, but 95% of the time, the organization and the clinical staff are going to be fully 100% supportive of you bringing your own so long as they're able to have the clinical access that they need.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so I think first and foremost is just spreading awareness about it and letting people know that that they do have a choice is certainly really empowering.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was just gonna say, what are some of the things that you were when you were coming up with this idea, what were some of the things that you were hopeful would come out of it having both that clinical and that research experience?
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then the life experience of being with your mother-in-law, what kind of things went into the process of this is what I want people to feel when they wear this gown?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: So as a nurse, I knew that patients were allowed to bring their own gowns and accessories with them when navigating healthcare.
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  SPEAKER_02: So at the end of my mother-in-law's life, I legitimately bought 10 different gowns from 10 different companies that exist out there today.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when they arrived, I brought them to her and I was horrified.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some of the prints were really pretty, but touching the materials, they felt scratchy and thin and really uncomfortable.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was thinking to myself, my God, I wouldn't choose to wear this on my happiest, very best day.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why in the world would we expect or want somebody that we love navigating one of their worst or one of their hardest or most vulnerable?
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  SPEAKER_02: Even if it's a happy day in healthcare when you're delivering, you're still in an extremely vulnerable situation.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why would I give them something that I wouldn't wear in my best day?
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  SPEAKER_02: So looking at it, I kept thinking like this is, and then I started just sketching out exactly what it needed.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was thinking, okay, well, we need snaps.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: I know that because I know exactly you need to have snaps right across the front.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I have a gown too.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, this is one of the prints.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so as you can see, it has snaps that come down on, I can sit up a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: Snaps that come down so that if you're breastfeeding, you have immediate access that then can come right back up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or also, if your clinician needs to get access to one of your monitors or your IV, it's right there.
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  SPEAKER_02: But also, I can say this because I know without doubt that 95% of the people listening have experienced this, that putting on and taking off and buttoning back up a gown is so confusing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So doing a red visual cue on the right side, so when you're snapping back up what side is what was huge.
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  SPEAKER_02: So these snaps were huge components that are missing in so many gowns.
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  SPEAKER_02: But then the other thing that really bothered me, and I can show you down here, hopefully you can see it if I stand up, is that it's 2026.
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  SPEAKER_02: We all have phones.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's how we communicate, and we need pockets to keep those phones.
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  SPEAKER_02: We also need pockets to hold our monitors.
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  SPEAKER_02: So creating something that allowed us to be able to communicate with that in mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's not 1955 anymore.
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  SPEAKER_02: We need to have pockets, and every dress needs to have pockets.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I made sure that that was a huge feature.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it honestly looks like a hoodie with two different sides in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you can have a phone on one side, a bottle, a pacifier, medical equipment, whatever you need.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then on the other side is also a small opening for the hospital wires and tubing to come through if that if you need to be hooked up.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you literally are no longer tethered to your hospital bed.
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  SPEAKER_02: But then, of course, on the back side, it snaps all the way down.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you're no longer pulling your two sides together like most women are doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and instead of focusing on is am I flashing the entire hospital staff?
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  SPEAKER_02: You could actually focus on mobility because what I kept seeing was women freshly recovering from surgery or navigating with challenges in their mobility, trying to walk down a hallway, trying to hold their two sides of their gown together in the back side because they know they're about to be exposed, instead of being able to focus on actually being able to safely walk or being able to focus on the treatment and focus on like the task that they should be focusing on instead.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: So coming at it from both of those perspectives.
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  SPEAKER_02: The other thing that was really huge for me is as a nurse, really appreciating the importance of our skin is our largest organ.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's 20% of, you know, it covers everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's our major protector and everything that we touch and everything that we come in contact with, we expose, work that we're exposed to, we absorb in some degree, some way.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: And so as we're starting to become more aware of how different environmental exposures and different materials influence health, that was something that's really important to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I wanted something that, you know, 99% of every hospital gown is made out of polyester, synthetic fat fabric, synthetic materials, which is just petroleum-based oil, which is just man-made oil.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so I wanted something that was really that offered an alternative option.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I use organic, 94% organic cotton.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it has 6% spandex in it.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: That was actually done intentionally.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: People often were like, well, why don't you just do 100% organic cotton?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I thought about that and I truthfully tested out, tested it out.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I also needed the gown to have a slight stretch.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you can't do that just with a cotton.
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  SPEAKER_02: So after testing and going back and forth and really focusing on what is the best version of this, realizing that okay, having the base, the core base of 94, 95% of it be that cotton, but then being able for the breathability and softness, but then having a little bit of stretch so that people can have those pockets and can move around, um, was another core component of it.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: So thinking about it from all those different angles, I was really it took me two and a half years to put it together.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: And sadly, my mother-in-law passed before I could show her or give her the final product.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: But I'd like to think that she um she would have been really happy with the final, the final uh version of what we created.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I wanted to ask you what it feels like to be building this business that is so founded in both love for your mother-in-law as well as grief that you you and your family moved through while doing both of these things side by side.
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  SPEAKER_01: How has that both been a challenge as a business owner, but then also been a positive and gotten you where you are?
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: Grief is a very grief is a very funny thing because there are moments of just such profound sadness where you almost feel paralyzed by it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the moments where you feel like you're actually doing okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think for me, I've always been somebody who best navigates difficult experiences and grief by figuring out what I can do to honor that person or somehow making it so that their legacy lives on.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that really became my entire focus during my grieving process.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: And truthfully, it was truly building this business was how I was able to grieve because there's so much sadness and anger and so many emotions that come into it that knowing that at least something positive could be made, despite all of the sadness, really helped me get through from helped our family get through from a day-to-day perspective.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, it's grief is such a spectrum and such a whirlwind and a wave pool, if you will, that it's so up and down.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I imagine having this business where your one mission of it and the starting of it is helping people feel better in in a vulnerable place, but also being able to spread that as well.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: And knowing that she was such a beautiful thing.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: She loved everybody she met wholeheartedly, unconditionally, and truly um would be so proud to know that she's helping um other women have an experience that she didn't get to have.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so being able to honor her and honor that opportunity is so, so huge.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: I want to talk about the designs that you make.
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  SPEAKER_01: I imagine that that is a huge piece of it, that you really are able to choose designs that honor the individuality.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I imagine that's where that stems from.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell me a little bit more about how you choose designs, what they look like, all the stuff about design.
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  SPEAKER_02: So fun.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's absolutely so fun.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the other huge component, I think I told you that I also have my PhD in nursing, where I'm very much focused on healthy work environments and fair trade and really focusing on the importance of um what team culture looks like in terms and the importance of making sure things are done ethically and right.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: So for me, I really was committed to only partnering with teams and artists that aligned with those values.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so being able to find teams based in the US that shared that vision and shared the, you know, that mission was really actually pretty hard to do because the first thing I needed to do was to source the fabric, but then I needed to also source printing teams.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: And so once I was able to source with this incredible small family-run business in Pennsylvania as a printing team, things just started to move along and make sense.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they're called Little Cook Lico, and they're in Pennsylvania, and um they're incredible.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they offer different fabrics, but then they also offer organic water-based dyes and printing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they are such kind, such ethical, such responsible human beings.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they partner with various female artists across the United States.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I've had the honor to meet and connect with every single one of the female artists who um have created each design.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're each so incredibly special.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's been such an honor to be able to share with them that their work is being used in this way, in this capacity to uplift somebody and bring joy and dignity and comfort back to somebody navigating a vulnerable time in their life.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I, and I really hope that that brings them a sense of joy and accomplishment too, because their work isn't credible.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, being able to, there's it was so hard though, because all of the artists that they use are so incredible.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: And my vision one day is to use to work with almost all of them, and being able to honor and to really highlight who they are as individual artists.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: So that's been really fun and an unexpected part of the process, too.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm such a huge believer in the almost like the law of attraction that everything comes together how it's supposed to in the creative process.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: And how cool that your your priority was just good quality materials.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: And what came from it was this really incredible company, these incredible designers and artists that are able to mesh these two very different but really incredible mission-driven businesses.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: So tell me, what has building this business alongside being a mom looked like?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's been really hard.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so it's been, but it's also been such an incredible, beautiful learning experience as well.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because when you're building something from the ground up, you have to really believe in what you're building and have to have a really strong foundation and faith in what you're building and and the vision itself.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm also working full-time.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I also know that my time is my most valuable, you know, precious asset in my life when I have three young small children.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: So being able to build something only is gonna work if I fully believe in it.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: But it's it's been challenging and hard, but also equally so rewarding because I you I never went to school for business.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: I have a clinical background.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: I never went to school for marketing or communications.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: But I was able to take what I knew and align it with my values.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: And my goals and my vision and help it to come to life.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it it just speaks volumes about.
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  SPEAKER_02: Even if you don't have a formal background in something, if you believe in something and you work hard towards something, just you're and you keep going at it and you remain curious and continue asking questions and continue networking and meeting different people, you'll find the right players to help join and help to support the process to help it come to life.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, tell people, or actually, do you have anything exciting coming up for untethered, any new designs, anything exciting happening in the near future here?
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: So one huge aspect that I've always always in the back of my mind is that the majority of people who purchase a gown, this makes sense if you think about women's healthcare and women's perspective in general, they're not buying a gown for themselves.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Most people are purchasing the gown for somebody else, for another loved one.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: In fact, when I'm doing markets, nine out of 10 women that come up to my table are usually, they make mention of the fact that who would need this or who I should get this for, but never once, you know, only one out of the 10 actually mention themselves, even though it's a perfect, every person actually should have one because I would, like I said, I wear mine on days that I just need to rest or days that I'm going to an outpatient visit.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: So with that in mind, though, knowing that most people are purchasing these as gifts for loved ones and family members, we're starting to do a comforting care package offer.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: So being able to build um comforting care packages with our gowns, with more attractive grip socks, the non-slip socks, like Bombas has those.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll use those in our in in the packages now, along with like different organic T-sets, gift cards, and just different healing accessories and thoughtful extra add-ons that people can add, along with a handwritten greeting card.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_02: So we're starting to explore that really as more of an option.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: And then the next big thing after this will be hopefully starting to make our way into pediatrics, because that's where my patient population home base is and really a huge area and opportunity that I would I would like to tap into, knowing what what pediatric patients have to navigate.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's so incredible.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: I love I love that.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: I love seeing what's next for a business and and who they want to see their their work on in your case.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: But this is so incredible.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for for all the work that you're doing here.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think this can make a huge in in many different ways.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: But tell people where they can find you website, social media, where they can purchase, all of the above.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, two a few things.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: One, every 10 gowns we sell, we're able to gift one to a woman navigating cancer.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: So your gift is giving back twice.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: So always keep that in mind.
• 25:32
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• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: You can absolutely find us on our website, um, which is shopuntethered.com, or you can find us on Instagram, which is at Untethered Gowns.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: We're also, because I was so grateful to join and to meet everybody um on this podcast, I allowing an offer for discount with making, the discount code MAKING, um, for anyone who's listening, and that will give 15% off all orders within the next month.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um so also wanted to share that too.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: But yes, it's it's a wonderful way to gift back and also know that a woman navigating a really hard diagnosis is is also going to be supported in the process as well.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you so much.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: This has been incredible.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: I have loved getting to hear your story and the background of how all of this began.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you so much for being here.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you for having me.
• 26:30
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• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for being here, and I'll see you next time.