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Which AI Should You Actually Use? Claude vs ChatGPT vs Grok vs Gemini (2026 Guide) · In the Loop AI

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Josh: Over the last 90 days, Frontier Labs shipped 15 plus models.
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Josh: OpenAI shipped three, Anthropic shipped four, Google shipped three,
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Josh: even Meta and Elon Musk shipped Frontier models. The Chinese shipped a bunch as well.
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Josh: And so if you're listening to the show, you're probably wondering,
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Josh: which model should I be using right now?
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Josh: Most of you likely have a GPT or Claude subscription, but you're wondering,
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Josh: should I be using these different models?
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Josh: The truth is, the Frontier landscape of AI models, when it was originally thought
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Josh: to be one or two, has now expanded to hundreds and hundreds of models.
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Josh: In OpenRata alone, you can access 400 plus. And so on this episode,
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Josh: we're going to dig into which model you should use for what particular use and
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Josh: when makes the most sense.
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Josh: And you'll realize that the argument has shifted not from using the most intelligent
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Josh: model, but maybe using the most cheaper model or using the model that's specific for you.
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Ejaaz: You got options, baby. There's a lot going on in the AI space and we're going
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Ejaaz: to help navigate that space because there is a lot of options and it does get
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Ejaaz: overwhelming. I think between the two of us, we've probably touched every single
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Ejaaz: one of these, at least a couple of times.
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Josh: I have too many subscriptions, Josh.
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Ejaaz: So yeah, between our 75 different subscriptions, we have covered these.
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Ejaaz: We have some feedback about which one to use for when, which is best for which use cases.
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Ejaaz: And I guess to start, we have this like pretty helpful visual companion artifact
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Ejaaz: here that can walk through kind
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Ejaaz: of what we're thinking, how we think about this. The first is the split.
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Ejaaz: There are two distinct classes of model when it comes to considering which ones
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Ejaaz: to use. The first is open source.
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Ejaaz: These are Chinese models predominantly. Most of these are your Kimis,
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Ejaaz: your DeepSeaks, like all of those models are Chinese open models.
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Ejaaz: And then we have the actual US models that are all closed source.
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Ejaaz: There's a big difference between the two. And we could see if we scroll down
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Ejaaz: a little bit, the difference in usage between these two, because in June of
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Ejaaz: 2025, US Labs accounted for 70% of the tokens generated. And now they're down to 30%.
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Ejaaz: The economics have changed widely. So now that 30% is worth much more than 70%.
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Ejaaz: But it is interesting to note that there has been this kind of reinvigoration
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Ejaaz: of Chinese models over the past couple of months. Now, granted,
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Ejaaz: this is based on open router data.
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Ejaaz: Open router is a single model router instance. This is not reflective of the norm.
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Ejaaz: But it's just worth noting that some of these open source models are pretty
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Ejaaz: powerful for the task at hand.
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Josh: Yeah, I think no one can debate the fact that people have shifted a lot using
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Josh: these open source models. And it's for a variety of different reasons.
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Josh: People want to own their own data, they want to run it privately at home.
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Josh: But the biggest shift, the biggest reason has been because these models are
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Josh: a lot cheaper. And open router data you mentioned only really represents a very
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Josh: niche sector of software engineers that want to experiment with a bunch of these models.
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Josh: But even in the enterprise world, where OpenAI and Anthropic are pretty dominant
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Josh: with their own model share, they've been losing the token market share to enterprises
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Josh: that are trialing and testing different models to save tens to hundreds of millions of dollars as well.
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Josh: And when I look at the main reason why, it's not because the open models are
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Josh: the most intelligent. You'll see in a second as we go through the scorecard,
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Josh: GLM 5.3 from China, amazing model, not as good as Fable 5. You'll look at Kimi
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Josh: K 2.7, you'll think the same thing.
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Josh: Those models are good enough to do the bulk of your own work.
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Josh: It doesn't sound too much like AI slop.
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Josh: It actually just speaks to you normally. And the biggest advantage is it has
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Josh: fewer safeguards, which has its pros and cons, but it basically does the tasks that you ask it to.
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Josh: Now, overall, it's fine if we talk about a bunch of models on this show,
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Josh: but it's good to get an overview, essentially, of how intelligent or how effective these models are.
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Josh: And what we have on the screen here is something known as the Artificial Analysis
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Josh: Index or Intelligence Index.
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Josh: And this is basically the best benchmark to test the general intelligence of
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Josh: these different models.
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Josh: Now, it may come as no surprise to you, but the Claude models,
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Josh: Anthropix models, top this. We've got Opus 5 at the top, which is their most
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Josh: recent model launch. We've got Claude Fable 5.
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Josh: And then, surprising to me, Josh, but Grok 4.6 from Elon, it is just,
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Josh: it is fantastic how effectively SpaceX has been able to pivot from being way behind the model race.
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Josh: They fired their entire AI team, hired a bunch of new folk, acquired Cursor
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Josh: for $60 billion and put out a model in, I think it's like the last six weeks
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Josh: that was able to contend with the top. And the best part is he has all the GPUs
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Josh: and compute to train them.
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Josh: And then if you go further down the stack, you'll see the likes of OpenAI,
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Josh: GPT 5.6 Sol, and a bunch of other Chinese open source models.
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Ejaaz: The question is, what do you make of this? As someone who is just a user of
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Ejaaz: AI, what do you make of this? How do you navigate this?
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Josh: Let me trial this, Josh. Let me ask you this question. Of these models that
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Josh: you see on the screen here, which ones are you using and for what specifically?
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Ejaaz: It's funny because about 90% of the usage comes from the top two.
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Ejaaz: And then 10% comes from everything else. And this is kind of like what I was
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Ejaaz: going for. I'm actually curious, is it a similar thing for you?
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Ejaaz: Like what kind of models are you using?
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Josh: Yes, but okay. So I would say it's around, I'm going to say like 75, 25.
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Josh: And the reason why I have that slight adjustment is because I kind of use the
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Josh: AI model that's most convenient to me wherever I'm getting the information or
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Josh: the inclination to use an AI model. So X is a perfect example, right? I'm scrolling X.
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Josh: I read something from one of these genius AI researchers and I'm like,
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Josh: I have no idea what the hell this means.
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Josh: I tap the Ask Rock button. I'm on Google. I'm searching something, right? I'm on my laptop.
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Josh: I'm like, okay, I'll just speak to Gemini in this. So in that sense,
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Josh: wherever the AI is conveniently placed, I use it there.
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Josh: And I have a feeling when Apple releases like their new AI model in a couple
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Josh: of months or a couple of weeks, actually, I'll probably use it on my phone as
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Josh: well because the models just generally are good enough to answer my basic questions.
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Ejaaz: Yeah, okay. So we're looking at these charts and we're seeing,
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Ejaaz: okay, here's where the intelligence is. Here's where things get a little less
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Ejaaz: intelligent, but much cheaper.
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Ejaaz: And if you're a normal consumer, I have a feeling that cost isn't that big of
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Ejaaz: a deal because the cost differences are really at scale.
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Ejaaz: What a lot of these companies offer, what Anthropoc offers, what OpenAI offers,
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Ejaaz: what Grok and Gemini offer is just the $20 a month, $100 a month, $200 a month plan.
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Ejaaz: You could just pay a fixed amount and get access to a lot of usage of these models.
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Ejaaz: So if you are a general consumer who is able to spend $20 per month on a subscription,
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Ejaaz: you're probably better served going to one of the major iolabs.
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Ejaaz: The product is better. You're going to get more intelligence.
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Ejaaz: You're going to get a more coherent product.
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Ejaaz: I find that a lot of the people who I speak to a lot of the time in my experience,
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Ejaaz: the only real reason to use these open source Chinese models is if you're consuming
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Ejaaz: tremendously large amounts of tokens for, say, agentic tasks.
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Ejaaz: Like if you're running an open claw instance or any sort of claw with a lot
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Ejaaz: of automated workflows, a lot of agents, you may want to defer to some of these
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Ejaaz: cheaper, perhaps the Chinese open source models just to save on costs on the low end.
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Ejaaz: But when it comes to day to day use on the high end, I'd say probably 90 plus
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Ejaaz: percent of the people watching this are best served just getting a subscription
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Ejaaz: to your favorite ai company
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Ejaaz: Using that product. That's kind of how I use it. It's funny that the remaining
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Ejaaz: 10% of prompts that aren't done through Anthropic are done mostly through Grok.
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Ejaaz: Like you mentioned, when I'm on X 24 hours a day, it's a good companion because
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Ejaaz: it has access to that database.
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Ejaaz: And then the other one is actually ChashyBT because they have a really amazing
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Ejaaz: image generation model.
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Ejaaz: And I love creating memes or sending images to my friends who are just like
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Ejaaz: using that as the visual component. I find that really compelling.
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Ejaaz: So that's kind of my stack is like mostly Anthropic, sometimes Grok,
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Ejaaz: sometimes chat gpt particularly for the image gen i think when it comes to image
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Ejaaz: gen we used to use nano banana and gemini all the time that was like the top
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Ejaaz: dog i think ever since image gen 2.0 release from chat gpt
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Ejaaz: is very compelling what i like is that it does get actual thinking behind it
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Ejaaz: so previously when you asked to generate an image it would take your words at
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Ejaaz: face value generate the image now it actually does some inference it does some thinking
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Ejaaz: it kind of interprets your message and interprets what it's seeing in the image
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Ejaaz: and then creates a much better output. So that's kind of how I would think
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Ejaaz: of navigating this um like chinese models are certainly a big deal but unless
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Ejaaz: you are kind of advanced super user consuming a ton of tokens perhaps they're not that valuable
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Josh: I will speak from my own personal experience i
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Josh: use the clawed models pretty much all the time
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Josh: but i've started using opus 5 more than fable 5
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Josh: and and this might sound like a silly reason but it's because it speaks to me
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Josh: like a normal human being i don't know what the personality dials are on opus 5 versus fable 5 but
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Josh: they need to do that to fable 5 pronto because fable 5 just waffles and speaks
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Josh: in like archaic prose and i'm just like listen just give me
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Josh: give me the information that i've asked for and do not give me anything else
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Josh: i don't want to have to read,
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Josh: an essay every time i use this right now grok 4.6 i've actually noticed the
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Josh: intelligently josh i don't know if you've tried this on x you probably do when
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Josh: you're like kind of like trying to figure It speaks to you super intelligently
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Josh: and there's less crass about it.
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Josh: If you remember the earlier versions of Grok used to kind of like throw in some
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Josh: kind of like questionable words, slang and phrases.
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Josh: And now it just speaks to you like an intelligent human being.
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Josh: And I think this is because Elon's like, you know, SpaceX is IPO'd.
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Josh: He's got Cursor, very professional researchers involved, and they're trying
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Josh: to target a more enterprise oriented audience. And he said before that Grok
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Josh: 4.7 is on its way to being released in a few weeks now. He's aiming for Grok
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Josh: 5 by the end of the year. That's literally only in a couple of months.
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Josh: He is really targeting the enterprise landscape because he's seen Anthropic and OpenAI go after it.
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Josh: Now, same as you, on the Chinese models, I am not using any of them.
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Josh: And I admit this might be my own bias because...
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Josh: Mainly, I'm like, I'm not sure, like, I want to go to the efforts of signing
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Josh: up on an account, using those models, and then being like, well,
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Josh: I don't know whether this is giving me the right information.
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Josh: I don't know. I just kind of have this weird trust thing with the US and American
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Josh: brands. And maybe that's like my own fault.
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Josh: And then the one thing that I'll point out across all these different models
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Josh: that we make the point on on the screen here is.
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Ejaaz: I think a bulk
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Josh: Of the companies, Anthropic and OpenAI especially, have focused on making their
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Josh: models really good for enterprises. But as I mentioned earlier,
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Josh: the shift has really happened to open source because...
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Josh: More available models are cheaper and more accessible to people to use. They can run privately.
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Josh: But Anthropic and OpenAI's response to this is, we'll just distill our main
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Josh: model and give you cheaper models.
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Josh: So that's what OpenAI has done, right? You've got GPT 5.6. There's three versions
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Josh: of it. You've got Sol, Terra, and Luna. Luna is, I think, slashed 80% of the
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Josh: price than it was before already a week ago, right?
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Josh: So now it's like competing very much with GLM 5.3.
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Josh: And you've got Anthropic doing the same. I think Opus 5 is like half the cost
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Josh: of Fable 5, whilst being as capable as Fable 5.
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Ejaaz: And they also kept the SANA pricing low too, which is the lowest layer.
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Ejaaz: So that's like, yeah, there's plenty of options there.
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Josh: Plenty of options. And I think this comes down to one thing,
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Josh: and I don't want to make this about compute, but I have to, Josh.
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Josh: I think whichever lab, whether you're Chinese, whether you're like a low tier
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Josh: US American lab, or whether you're the high tier labs, compute will dictate
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Josh: whether you can serve these bottles cheaper, which will basically decide or
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Josh: determine which customers use your product.
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Ejaaz: Yeah. And I mean, this is ultimately coming down to your use case.
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Ejaaz: Like a lot of people won't ever run into this problem because they will never
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Ejaaz: need this thing called an API key.
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Ejaaz: They'll never actually pay per token. They'll oftentimes just pay through the subscription.
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Ejaaz: And if you're using a subscription, you have a couple of options.
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Ejaaz: Maybe this is a good time to go through these subscriptions and what are the
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Ejaaz: offerings of everybody. We have Gemini, which perhaps we could start there because
11:21
Ejaaz: I feel like we've been mean to Gemini recently. We haven't talked much about Google.
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Ejaaz: What's that one? Yeah, like that one.
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Ejaaz: Who's that? They're currently at Gemini 3.1 Pro, which is nowhere really near the frontier
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Ejaaz: um anymore unfortunately they do have nano banana pro which is like this fun cool image generation
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Ejaaz: process they have what i find interesting about google and if you are interested
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Ejaaz: in these tools it may be interesting for a subscription google has these like
11:45
Ejaaz: weird edge case tools that have really interesting harnesses one of them is for music production
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Ejaaz: i remember we've used this on the show many times it's really good at generating
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Ejaaz: lyrics and generating music in a way that sounds very good
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Ejaaz: I've only had that experience on a Google product. I haven't been able to use that anywhere else.
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Josh: Lyria.
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Ejaaz: Lyria, that's right. Yes, Lyria, Project Lyria.
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Josh: Remember we created the jingle for the show?
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Ejaaz: Yeah, so good, dude. So like Gemini and Google is like good for the weird stuff.
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Ejaaz: Like it'll generate you pretty good images.
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Ejaaz: It'll generate you fun music. They have this other tool.
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Ejaaz: This is in like the Google Lab suite where it'll generate you marketing material.
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Ejaaz: So if you have a lot of material from your brand or you have a bunch of logos
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Ejaaz: and you want marketing material, kind of say your logo's printed on something
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Ejaaz: that's staged nicely or you want custom merchandise, It'll do a lot of that
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Ejaaz: for you. So it's fun for those kind of narrow use cases of where the lab's products lie.
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Ejaaz: Outside of that, I don't know, I can't really recommend it that much.
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Ejaaz: It's not the strongest, not close to the strongest.
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Ejaaz: I'd say probably on top of that, we have Grok, which is very quickly catching up.
12:41
Ejaaz: If you spend a ton of time on X like we do, Grok is your best friend.
12:45
Ejaaz: Grok has access to that data that is available in real time on X.
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Ejaaz: If you're looking for current up-to-date news on pretty much anything, Grok is your go-to.
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Ejaaz: It can sort and cite specific tweets from specific moments that are happening
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Ejaaz: in real time and just generally speaking like you mentioned details it's very
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Ejaaz: good at just communicating with you directly
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Ejaaz: there's not a lot of fluff it is a science and technical model it is direct to the point
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Ejaaz: it'll get vulgar with you if you want it's fun to play around with there is
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Ejaaz: the voice mode which is really fun that i've i'd say of all the voice modes
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Ejaaz: that's the voice mode i've had the most fun with is because it's just so
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Ejaaz: ridiculous and oftentimes if you see memes online it is because is the voice behind it.
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Josh: The GPT voice mode just jars me so much. I don't know, have you spoken to it.
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Ejaaz: With the recent update? The new version, I have, yes. So when you say that, what do you mean?
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Josh: And so it sounds more human, right? It like pauses, but it sounds like it's
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Josh: like some sassy person that's talking to me. It does. Like I asked this question and then he goes,
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Josh: hmm, yeah, yeah, like, yeah, like, listen, like, I get it.
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Josh: And, you know, this is what the weather is. And I'm like, yo,
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Josh: I don't need this. I just asked you what the weather is.
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Josh: Like, you know, just tell me what's up. But I agree with you largely on like on Google and SpaceX.
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Josh: What I will say about Google, Josh, is I think they have a similar profile to
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Josh: Microsoft. I'm interested if you agree with me here.
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Josh: Microsoft is not a name that I would draw against the top frontier AI Model
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Josh: Labs. In fact, I think they fumbled the bag massively.
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Josh: But they are embedded across pretty much every single Fortune 500 company,
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Josh: whether we like it or not. Like we just live in our tech bubble.
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Josh: But outside of the tech bubble, people run Microsoft Teams and the Microsoft Suite.
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Josh: And I think Google's in a similar position, essentially, like a lot of new upstarts
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Josh: use Google Docs, Google Suite, and they're just going to click the Gemini button
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Josh: in the same way that I do so because it's just convenient. Do you agree with that?
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Ejaaz: Yeah, I guess there's just a moat to being like the biggest company in the world
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Ejaaz: and having access to all of these kind of legacy enterprise companies.
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Ejaaz: It feels like anyone who has built a business over the last 20 or 30 years has
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Ejaaz: been using Microsoft, has been using Google.
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Ejaaz: They're going to continue to leverage that. It seems like Google is slightly
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Ejaaz: more ahead than Microsoft, if I had to guess. I'm much more excited about Google
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Ejaaz: as a company than Microsoft is, but they both benefit from that legacy customer base.
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Josh: Well, both are amazing VCs, right?
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Ejaaz: Both are incredible VCs. Yes. I think they should be judged not on the quality
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Ejaaz: of their product, but the quality of their investment in the other competitors
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Ejaaz: that are going to crush them.
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Ejaaz: But I do like that, right? It's like they have a hedge. Microsoft owns a large
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Ejaaz: part of OpenAI. That's incredible.
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Ejaaz: Google owns this like massive stake in SpaceX, in Anthropic,
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Ejaaz: in both of these companies that are going to like be huge IPOs,
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Ejaaz: one of which already did.
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Ejaaz: So they are amazing venture funds, perhaps slightly less better AI labs.
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Ejaaz: The two that don't have to benefit from this kind of legacy software are the
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Ejaaz: two that we're probably going to recommend.
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Ejaaz: And in fact, if you scroll down a little bit further, we could see the box of
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Ejaaz: price against intelligence and kind of where each of these models sit.
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Ejaaz: Yeah, this chart right here.
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Ejaaz: And we're looking at those in the top right. this is where most of the people
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Ejaaz: are going to want to live this is where i think we spend all of our time you're
15:52
Ejaaz: either getting a chat gpt or again a cloud membership and like that's that's
15:55
Ejaaz: for the most part that's what most people need uh the differences are
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Ejaaz: small but noteworthy mostly as it relates to the models i mean both of them
16:04
Ejaaz: i can't recommend enough like spend the 20 bucks a month try it just try it
16:07
Ejaaz: for a month if you don't have it see what you think if you run out of tokens
16:10
Ejaaz: upgrade to 100 a month this is access to the same intelligence that all these
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Ejaaz: researchers are making math breakthroughs with
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Ejaaz: and it's really impressive and really capable now each
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Ejaaz: one of these is slightly different i'd say claude is a little more tailored towards coding
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Ejaaz: writing and it's a really strong general purpose model i find with gpt 5.6 soul
16:32
Ejaaz: in particular it's very good at being the
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Ejaaz: High level operator so if you're working on like complicated tasks it's good
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Ejaaz: at creating spec sheets it's good at running checks against the things that
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Ejaaz: you do and then oftentimes like i find that that claude and the fabled models
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Ejaaz: and the opus models are very good at implementation
16:47
Ejaaz: and they're very good with less guidance so the way i've been using these models
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Ejaaz: recently is with less and less guidance i think earlier on
16:55
Ejaaz: i had this whole skill sheet and it was like 15 different skills that would
16:58
Ejaaz: automate different things for me and slowly over time that skill sheet has gone
17:01
Ejaaz: lower and lower and lower and we were talking actually before the show
17:04
Ejaaz: the best way to extract the most value out of these models is just to
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Ejaaz: get out of the way give it the end goal and say like hey go do this thing for
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Ejaaz: me i trust that you have the intelligence to do this i'm not going to put guardrails
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Ejaaz: on it you have the context you can go and do this for me and i think that's
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Ejaaz: mostly where i find myself using this personally is i use fable
17:21
Ejaaz: i i do not leave any fable tokens unused very valuable tokens each week and
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Ejaaz: then opus is the fallback for the general workhorse model and it's been a really
17:28
Ejaaz: powerful combo of just kind of
17:30
Ejaaz: being able to accomplish anything that you want it connects to all of my
17:33
Ejaaz: services i have it connected to my email to my google drive it has access to
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Ejaaz: my files the folders the context
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Ejaaz: and it's just a really helpful all-in assistant it works really well.
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Josh: I think people are also probably wondering, okay, well, what if I don't really
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Josh: care about the general intelligence as much?
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Josh: What if I'm trying to do a specific thing? Which model should I use then?
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Josh: I think there are two things to consider here. Number one is,
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Josh: if you are a software engineer, like AI models have been all the rage for their
17:58
Josh: coding capabilities, but maybe a bunch of you actually like code hardcore companies
18:03
Josh: and you want to figure out which model you should use.
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Josh: I would say in that question, the clawed models and the GPT 516 models are pretty
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Josh: high up there. Codex usage has gone from 5 million users to 15 million users
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Josh: in about a month and a half.
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Josh: I am tired of seeing Thibaut, who is the head of Codex at OpenAI,
18:22
Josh: tweets on my timeline every single time he gets a million user update.
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Josh: But these models are very powerful at not only understanding and reading your
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Josh: code base, but intuitively figuring out what product or feature you should build next.
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Josh: I have a ton of feedback from friends that work at companies that are tech adjacent
18:40
Josh: and maybe not even in tech at all, which use these models to build their premium
18:45
Josh: features. The other thing I'll say is.
18:48
Josh: You know, we're talking about the top right box over here, which is essentially
18:51
Josh: the Pareto Frontier. So if you had to sacrifice something of cost or intelligence
18:56
Josh: or blah, blah, blah, you would still be using these types of models.
18:59
Josh: But if I had to take a bet, if I was a betting man, I would say Grok 4.6.
19:04
Josh: Quen 3.8, and Kimi will be inside this box within a couple of months time.
19:09
Josh: That's going to change the way we use these different types of models.
19:12
Josh: I said before we started this show, it's unsexy to say.
19:16
Josh: But I think the number one AI company that will come out in the next 12 months
19:20
Josh: will be some form of aggregator platform. We saw that Stripe just acquired Open
19:24
Josh: Router for $7 billion, allegedly.
19:27
Josh: We put out an episode of this yesterday. Definitely go check that out.
19:30
Josh: But I think we're going to see these platforms that help you pick and choose
19:34
Josh: which models to use at the right time.
19:36
Josh: It aggregates your memory so it already knows what you want to do.
19:38
Josh: And so you don't have any of the complications around that. I think we'll see
19:41
Josh: a bunch of these models kind of step up there.
19:43
Josh: Now, aside from coding, if you aren't a coder, but if you are,
19:47
Josh: let's say, a general knowledge worker, you go to work, you use email,
19:50
Josh: you use Slack, you use a bunch of these other plugins that you also mentioned.
19:53
Josh: There are models that are specifically good for agentic tool use.
19:57
Josh: And actually, my most recent favorite is Grok 4.6 or GrokBot specifically.
20:02
Josh: This was released from Elon Musk and SpaceX, I think last week.
20:06
Josh: And it basically is an agent or multiple agents that spins up in a virtual machine
20:11
Josh: on like in the cloud. So you don't have to worry about it running on your laptop
20:14
Josh: and hacking all your stuff.
20:15
Josh: And you can give it access to any and every tool and it intuitively understands
20:19
Josh: and gets what you want to do.
20:20
Josh: It can learn what you do over time and it improves.
20:23
Josh: So I think when you look at the Metamuse Spark 1.2 and you might think,
20:27
Josh: oh, that's a meta model. I don't ever use meta.
20:30
Josh: These types of models are gonna become more available for general usage or knowledge work.
20:34
Josh: And I think if that's something that you're inclined to use and you don't really
20:36
Josh: care about the Google search stuff, you'll use Claude for that anyway.
20:39
Josh: These are models that I'll probably look into because they are superior in many ways.
20:43
Ejaaz: Yeah, it's fun to pick one and stick with it. I find that like oftentimes with
20:46
Ejaaz: the aggregators, the right time to use that if you're doing lots of work,
20:49
Ejaaz: if you're generating lots of tokens, if you are just a person who wants to use
20:52
Ejaaz: AI for their day-to-day tasks to help you come up with like a grocery list, to help you
20:56
Ejaaz: cook specific things, to help you go to the gym and give you workout classes and ideas.
21:01
Ejaaz: It's helpful to pick a singular model, a singular service, and then just go deep with that.
21:07
Ejaaz: A lot of the difference makers at this point because i mean most people aren't
21:10
Ejaaz: using these models for frontier intelligence they're not going to solve novel
21:13
Ejaaz: math problems they're figuring out what time they need to get to like the store
21:17
Ejaaz: or the school to like pick up their kids and they just need some help they need a helpful assistant
21:22
Ejaaz: the most helpful thing is context because all these models are more than capable
21:26
Ejaaz: of those kind of lower level tasks the difference maker is the context that
21:29
Ejaaz: it knows about you it needs to understand what are your dietary preferences
21:32
Ejaaz: What are you or anyone in your family allergic to?
21:34
Ejaaz: What have you made in the past that went well, that didn't go well?
21:38
Ejaaz: And it kind of collects this database of information about you that allows it
21:41
Ejaaz: to make better decisions going forward.
21:43
Ejaaz: And that, at the end of the day, is ultimately what the difference maker is.
21:47
Ejaaz: For me, at least, when deciding what model to use, it's like,
21:49
Ejaaz: okay, which model has all the context
21:51
Ejaaz: about me that can help solve my very specific task that I have here?
21:55
Ejaaz: Oftentimes, the answer is Claude because I've been working with it for so long.
21:58
Ejaaz: It just has this, like, huge chain of context. So whenever I ask,
22:01
Ejaaz: like, hey, I need some help in the gym this week, it knows what I've been up
22:04
Ejaaz: to, it knows where I'm at, it knows what the weight has been,
22:07
Ejaaz: it knows what the food has been, and it's able to kind of curate this very custom stack against that.
22:11
Ejaaz: And as someone who is just, you know, not really building anything crazy,
22:14
Ejaaz: they're not using millions of tokens a week, they're just looking for an AI companion.
22:18
Ejaaz: That's kind of how you can think about it. It's like, get a membership,
22:20
Ejaaz: try it out, feed it a bunch of context about yourself, and then get your own
22:24
Ejaaz: personal assistant. And that's kind of, I think, like the best route for most people.
22:27
Josh: So I think to wrap up this episode,
22:30
Josh: It's okay talking about, you know, what the frontier landscape looks like today.
22:33
Josh: But the question is, what is it going to look like in a few months from now?
22:37
Josh: And I say a few months specifically because this stuff moves too quickly.
22:41
Josh: I saw an update from Sam Altman at OpenAI yesterday where they announced that
22:46
Josh: they are slowing down some of their model training runs.
22:51
Josh: And that's because they've noticed that a bunch of internal,
22:53
Josh: more intelligent, unreleased models that they have built has become a lot more
22:59
Josh: misaligned than previous models, which means that it could pose as a threat
23:02
Josh: or danger to any user who gets access to it.
23:06
Josh: And I've noticed the same similarly maybe from Anthropic and a bunch of other
23:09
Josh: frontier labs, where we're starting to see a little bit of a slowdown.
23:14
Josh: And slowdown isn't in the sense that they're necessarily stopping training full
23:17
Josh: stop. Obviously, they're still training internal models.
23:20
Josh: They might be likely to not release models or more intelligent models going
23:24
Josh: forward because of government regulation.
23:27
Josh: And I think this is going to allow a bunch of other Frontier Labs that are behind
23:31
Josh: in this race to be able to catch up.
23:32
Josh: So if I had to guess what three months from now, let's say at the end of the year, right?
23:37
Josh: If I were to make a prediction, I think we're going to have about three to five
23:41
Josh: really good open source models that are as capable as the smartest model that
23:46
Josh: you have access to today from the Frontier Labs like Anthropic and GPT.
23:50
Josh: And I think they're going to have fewer safeguards. So you can use it for any
23:53
Josh: and every use case. I think you can run it privately at home,
23:56
Josh: maybe even off of your laptop. So that changes dynamics quite a lot.
23:59
Josh: I think we're going to have Apple entering the game with their own locally run
24:04
Josh: and trained AI model, which I think is going to change the game because everyone,
24:08
Josh: 3.5 billion people in the world right now have one of these or one of the Apple devices.
24:12
Josh: They're going to run that locally. I think it's going to look quite different.
24:15
Josh: I'm curious, you know, We started off this episode with the token split.
24:19
Josh: I wonder what that's going to look like three months down the line.
24:22
Josh: And then the last thing I'll say is, and this might be from my background in
24:25
Josh: general, but I think once someone or.
24:28
Josh: A bunch of companies make it easier to run models locally at home,
24:33
Josh: I think people are going to play around with that more because it allows you to
24:36
Josh: connect it to your fitness app data and not share too many personal anecdotes
24:41
Josh: or data profiles with Frontier Labs, which again, they can use to train their own models.
24:45
Josh: You may not want to hand that over, And so I think we'll see a rise of open
24:49
Josh: source models. That's just my guess. That's interesting.
24:51
Ejaaz: Okay, I'm taking the other side. I'm thinking that no one's going to go through
24:54
Ejaaz: the trouble of downloading the weights and running their own open source models,
24:57
Ejaaz: that Apple is just going to own that entire world.
25:00
Ejaaz: That like for all of the people in the United States that own Apple devices,
25:03
Ejaaz: they're just like, no one's going to even have an idea that they're using AI.
25:06
Ejaaz: It's just going to be Siri. It's going to be competent. It's going to be better.
25:08
Ejaaz: It's already going to be pre-downloaded. I think the user experience is really
25:11
Ejaaz: important. And open source has a pretty horrific user experience.
25:14
Ejaaz: You have to download, run the weights. you often need a lot of hardware to do that.
25:17
Josh: But I'm counting Apple as locally run at home because it's encrypted.
25:20
Ejaaz: Right? Well, if you're counting Apple,
25:22
Ejaaz: sign me up because um we got a lot coming from them their event is happening
25:26
Ejaaz: in like two weeks or something it's very soon we see
25:28
Josh: Some airports with some cameras you sent me a video.
25:31
Ejaaz: Yeah dude we've been getting lots of leaks lately it's really good maybe we have to have cameras
25:36
Ejaaz: yes yes it's gonna be visuals and then they're gonna have apple intelligence
25:39
Ejaaz: baked into it and it's like oh maybe we need a leak episode prior to the actual
25:43
Ejaaz: new iphone unveiling because we have basically now the entire checklist of all
25:46
Ejaaz: the things that are going to be revealed and
25:48
Ejaaz: this to me as like apple fanboy plus ai fanboy is going to be the biggest event
25:53
Ejaaz: ever pretty much because this is the actual rollout of the ai that they've been
25:56
Ejaaz: promising us and failing to deliver for so long mixed with this brand new suite
26:00
Ejaaz: of products that we've never seen before allegedly
26:02
Josh: Up to the delayed two years.
26:04
Ejaaz: But for those of you who came here for models that is the model update that's
26:07
Ejaaz: just about when you'd want to
26:08
Ejaaz: use each one like if you're interested in being on x real-time news feed
26:12
Ejaaz: you want to go with grok if you like to yap a lot the voice model on chat gpt
26:15
Ejaaz: is pretty exceptional that might be a good place for you if you like to be a
26:19
Ejaaz: little more intellectual be thoughtful if you want really just the bleeding-edge
26:21
Ejaaz: models the highest intelligence go with claude
26:23
Ejaaz: and if you like making music and doing just like fun cute things with ai gemini
26:27
Ejaaz: is actually kind of a compelling product
26:29
Ejaaz: there's something for everybody that is the general overview of the models i
26:32
Ejaaz: hope you enjoyed this is going to change certainly in the next month or two
26:36
Ejaaz: whenever these new models i mean we have
26:37
Ejaaz: the new astro model from open ai that has been teased for the last eternity
26:41
Ejaaz: it seems like it's been held up it's going through some i don't know safeguard
26:44
Ejaaz: governmental checks but that's coming
26:46
Ejaaz: so this is set to change tbd but for now that is the state of the model address
26:50
Ejaaz: and yeah hope you guys enjoyed watching
26:52
Josh: Yeah and i'm curious for those of you who are listening what do we miss on this
26:57
Josh: episode? Are you using models in a very different way?
26:59
Ejaaz: Are you using meta models?
27:01
Josh: Yeah, is anybody using meta models? Are there any Facebook users out there that
27:05
Josh: are using meta AI intelligence?
27:06
Ejaaz: Please fill me in.
27:07
Josh: I will say, if you are a marketer or an advertiser, you're probably using meta's
27:11
Josh: model and it's probably making you a hell of a ton more money.
27:14
Josh: If that is you, let us know. If there are any other use cases that we haven't
27:17
Josh: mentioned, please let us know. If you are a locally run open source fan and
27:21
Josh: you're saying, no, people will download the weights, tell us why.
27:24
Josh: Let us know in the comments, DM us. We read any and every single message.
27:28
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27:30
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27:37
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27:41
Josh: much it. Thank you so much for listening. And we will see you on the Roundup.
27:45
Ejaaz: See you on the Roundup.