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BODY FOUND IN SEARCH FOR MISS USA HOPEFUL KADA SCOTT, IS THERE AN ACCOMPLICE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Human remains found in the
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Speaker 1: search for a Miss USA hopeful Kada Scott and tonight
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Speaker 1: a bobshell. Is there an accomplice who thought it would
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Speaker 1: be a great idea to bury her body behind an
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Speaker 1: abandoned middle school, or even worse, kill her. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us.
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Speaker 2: It is with profound sadness that we share the tragic
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Speaker 2: passing of our beloved daughter, Kata Scott.
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Speaker 1: Our hearts are shattered.
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Speaker 2: Today, we'll say her name. Tomorrow we'll say her name,
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Speaker 2: and forever we will say her name.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we learn human remains found behind
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Speaker 1: that abandoned middle school, the Ada Lewis Scott Middle School.
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Speaker 1: Listen to what we've learned.
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Speaker 3: Well, based on a tip that came in last night.
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Speaker 3: Through the night, the investigators begin the process of following
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Speaker 3: up on that tip, and the tip was very specific
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Speaker 3: that led us back to this location here today.
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Speaker 4: If we received a tip to go to the Ada
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Speaker 4: Lewis Middle School, investigators went did a thorough search. Essentially,
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Speaker 4: what the new tip was this weekend was go back.
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Speaker 4: It was go back, she's there. Look again and they
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Speaker 4: did give more specific details in terms of where to look,
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Speaker 4: and ultimately that is what led.
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Speaker 5: Us to her.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's some tip that from our friends at ABC six.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now in all star panelment. First, I
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Speaker 1: want to go to the chief investigative reporter and anchor
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Speaker 1: at CBS News Philadelphia who has been investigating this case
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Speaker 1: right along with the police from the very beginning, Joe Holden. Joe,
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Speaker 1: that was some tip that actually called into police anonymously
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Speaker 1: told them where to look, and then when they didn't
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Speaker 1: find anything the first time, called back and said go back.
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Speaker 1: What were they watching the police or were they watching
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Speaker 1: the news to know there have been no announcement. That's bizarre.
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Speaker 5: Check all those boxes because we know that from police
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Speaker 5: and the prosecutors. This was a persistent tipster. They first
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Speaker 5: called nine to one one last week to say you
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Speaker 5: better look at that middle school property and then police come.
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Speaker 5: They go, they have nothing, and so let me let
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Speaker 5: me let me stop that. Right there, They do find
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Speaker 5: a cell phone case, they find a bank card, and
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Speaker 5: they find an iPad case and possibly some other personal evidence.
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Speaker 5: Yet they didn't find CATA. So that tipster then emails
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Speaker 5: I'm told from sources emails, go back, you have to
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Speaker 5: look again. Yeah, have to look more specific specifically in
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Speaker 5: this location. And we learned that yesterday from from prosecutors.
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Speaker 5: So that happens. They go back, they find her in
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Speaker 5: a shallow grade.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Joe Holden fitzkimm is going to have a field
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Speaker 1: day with tracking down that emailer. But let me go
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Speaker 1: back to Joe Holden. An email like that can't be traced.
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Speaker 1: I'm dying to find out who called nine one one
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Speaker 1: and who was watching so carefully that they knew police
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Speaker 1: left without finding the human remains.
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Speaker 3: Listen, that tip today led us back to this area
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Speaker 3: behind the school.
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Speaker 5: Where's a wooded.
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Speaker 3: Area is I don't know if any of you have
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Speaker 3: been back there, but as a wooded area that goes.
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Speaker 5: Beyond the school.
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Speaker 6: Investigators returned Tovida Lewis Middle School on a very specific
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Speaker 6: anonymous tip to look in a heavily wooded area separating
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Speaker 6: the old closed school from a recreation center. Investigators clear
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Speaker 6: an area of rush and debris, uncovering freshly disturbed earth
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Speaker 6: under a board. Digging with their bare hands, officers are
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Speaker 6: hit with the strange smell and find maggots crawling through
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Speaker 6: the dirt, the area is a shallow grave holding the
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Speaker 6: decomposing remains.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's certainly putting it mildly a strange smell, because
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, once you go to a murder scene
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Speaker 1: and you smell a decomposing body, a human body, you'll
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Speaker 1: never forget it. Even the smell alone. I've actually seen
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Speaker 1: a rookie cup start vomiting from the smell alone. That
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Speaker 1: video you saw from our friends at ABC, and there's more.
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Speaker 3: We begin to go back into that area where we
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Speaker 3: would locate a shallow grave, after being able to remove
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Speaker 3: some of the debris back there, able to locate the
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Speaker 3: body of helping a human being.
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Speaker 7: It has been confirmed that these are the huge remains
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Speaker 7: of Katy Scott, and that has been confirmed by DNA.
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Speaker 1: Two. Joe Holden joining US chief investigative reporter and anchor
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Speaker 1: CBS Needs Philly. That video from our friends at ABC six,
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Speaker 1: Joe Holden, There's just so much to dissect, and this
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Speaker 1: is what you have to do when you are investigating
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Speaker 1: a case orre preparing for trial. You have to take
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Speaker 1: each line. I'm sure you do this in your investigative work,
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Speaker 1: and you have to analyze each and every fact for instance,
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Speaker 1: that the tipster not only call nine one one, but
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Speaker 1: obviously carefully watching the scene, says, oh my stars, they
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Speaker 1: didn't find her, and emails Beck who is this person
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Speaker 1: number one? But Joe Holden? Can you imagine the chaos
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Speaker 1: at the scene when the police are overcome and they
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Speaker 1: start clawing at the dirt with their bare hands.
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Speaker 5: So they had to excavate the entire area that they
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Speaker 5: eventually determined to be the final resting place, if you will,
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Speaker 5: or temporary resting place for the beautiful Kata Scott there, Nancy,
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Speaker 5: I will provide a timeline here that we learned we
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Speaker 5: nailed down yesterday. She is reported missing October fourth, twenty
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Speaker 5: some minutes into her shift, and then twenty minutes later
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Speaker 5: police sources believe that is when she dies. So that
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Speaker 5: is October fourth, That is days before a news conference
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Speaker 5: announcing that they're asking the public for help. And of
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Speaker 5: course that is now this huge.
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Speaker 1: So what did you say twenty minutes later? What repeat?
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Speaker 5: Twenty minutes after they say she leaves work is when
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Speaker 5: they believe she dies. She is alive for only twenty
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Speaker 5: minutes after she left the place that she works at
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Speaker 5: in Chestnut Hill in the city of Philadelphia.
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Speaker 1: But Holden, I don't understand. I hear you, but I
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Speaker 1: don't understand what you're saying. She was dead within twenty
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Speaker 1: minutes after taking her away from the assisted living where
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Speaker 1: she worked.
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Speaker 5: Well, police are telling us twenty minutes. They're very guarded
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Speaker 5: on details of how they know that. We couldn't even
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Speaker 5: nail down if they have surveillance video of her getting
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Speaker 5: into this car, which becomes a whole other side of
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Speaker 5: this story. Where we thought there was one car, now
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Speaker 5: there's a second car involved and it's a two thousand
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Speaker 5: and eight black Hondai accent so Kean King. The suspect
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Speaker 5: in this is now utilizing two different vehicles, and it's
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Speaker 5: believed he shows up to the terrace of Chestnut Hill
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Speaker 5: there where Kata Scott worked the Saturday night of October fourth.
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Speaker 5: They know each other somehow, but are not giving us
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Speaker 5: much detail as to how well or how long she
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Speaker 5: gets into his car. And they are telling us now,
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Speaker 5: according to multiple law enforcement sources, that she is alive
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Speaker 5: for about a twenty minute time frame and then she dies.
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Speaker 1: The psychopathy behind that, I'm very anxious to determine why
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Speaker 1: just twenty minutes in she is murdered and actually, Joe Holden,
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Speaker 1: let me quickly go to Brian Fitzgibbons joining us. He's
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Speaker 1: the director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a
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Speaker 1: team of investigators that go around the world finding missing
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Speaker 1: people and getting evidence. You and I analyze the case
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Speaker 1: of Madeline Soto Soto and video surveillance played at an
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Speaker 1: integral role in catching the killer. I'm wondering if this
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Speaker 1: case with Kata Scott will line up with what was
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Speaker 1: done in the Mattie Soto case where the perp had
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Speaker 1: the victim in a vehicle and was videoed with Maddie
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Speaker 1: dead in the car. She just turned thirteen, and he
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Speaker 1: had propped her up in a seat, the passenger seat
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Speaker 1: with a seat melt on as she was dead, and
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Speaker 1: then tried to tell police that Maddie, little Maddie thirteen,
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Speaker 1: was actually asleep, that she dozed off on the way
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Speaker 1: to school. It's possible, Fitzgibbons, It's possible that there is
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Speaker 1: video of him with Kata in the car dead.
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Speaker 5: Very possible.
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Speaker 8: And we're learning more information now with the introduction of
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Speaker 8: this two thousand and eight Hyundai Sedan that King was
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Speaker 8: driving and that authorities believe that Kata Scott that was
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Speaker 8: connected to Kata Scott's murder, so there will be more
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Speaker 8: video surveillance on that video. Authorities have already pinned down
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Speaker 8: King's location with his cell phone records to be associated
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Speaker 8: with locations of this stolen vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Back to Joe Holden, joining
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Speaker 1: US chief investiative reporter and anchor CBS News Philly on
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Speaker 1: the case from the very beginning. And I don't call
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Speaker 1: it a story, Joe, because this is no story. This
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Speaker 1: is real and her family devastated. I can go back
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Speaker 1: on what it could have should have This guy should
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Speaker 1: have already been in jail. The prosecutors dropped the ball.
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Speaker 1: They did not follow up on a previous case almost
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Speaker 1: exactly like this one, when the victim was too afraid
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Speaker 1: she was an FTA failure to appear. I'll get to
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Speaker 1: that later, but I want to go back to the
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Speaker 1: police officers clawing at the dirt with their bare hands.
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Speaker 1: They can smell human d coop. Can you imagine that
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Speaker 1: saying they all jump down on the ground and start
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Speaker 1: clawing because they don't, I guess, have a shovel with
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Speaker 1: them and suddenly they see maggots.
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Speaker 5: It's a horrible scene. It's a terrible situation, and I
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Speaker 5: know just from interacting with my sources in the Philadelphia
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Speaker 5: Police Department, it was a traumatic situation for many of them.
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Speaker 5: Many of them went off the grid. Nancy Frankly, Saturday night, Sunday,
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Speaker 5: Sunday afternoon. We couldn't reach many of the folks that
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Speaker 5: we deal with regularly due to the gravity of what
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Speaker 5: they discovered. And to Brian Fitzgibbon's information about video and
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Speaker 5: your question about do we have video, Yeah, prosecutors are
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Speaker 5: saying they have video from a nearby rec center. If
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Speaker 5: you see a shot of the school building, the rec
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Speaker 5: center sits directly to the right from your vantage point.
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Speaker 5: So there is video, according to prosecutors, of Keon King
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Speaker 5: in this Hyndai accent arriving to the middle school and
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Speaker 5: taking Kata Scott apparently onto the property, and then she
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Speaker 5: is located in the back of the property. So this
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Speaker 5: would be to the right of that picture you're looking for,
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Speaker 5: is where police have video evidence. They also tell us
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Speaker 5: they have technology, they have evidence showing a cellular activity
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Speaker 5: of Keon King's phone in the area at the significant
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Speaker 5: times of their investigation.
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Speaker 1: Two right as Gibbons. Many people have asked since the
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Speaker 1: search for Kata started, how do you recognize a shallow grave?
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you agree that you see disturbed earth where everything
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Speaker 1: looks the same, be it grass or leaves you know,
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Speaker 1: that have been there forever, that have been wet, that
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Speaker 1: have been dried, that have been rained on again, and
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Speaker 1: suddenly you see a disturbed area. I've always looked for
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Speaker 1: a disturbed area before using, for instance, ground pinach. Have
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Speaker 1: you seen a ground penetrating device where you can see
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Speaker 1: it kind of looks like an ultrasound and you see
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Speaker 1: where underneath the soil the dirt has been displayed. But
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Speaker 1: you don't need a ground penetrator. You can see with
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Speaker 1: the naked eye where the soil looks different from everywhere else.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, there's ground penetrating radar, there's light bar, there's various
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Speaker 8: technologies that can be used, but to the naked eye.
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Speaker 5: I think what made.
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Speaker 8: This search complicated is that around the abandoned building there's
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Speaker 8: probably a high amount of debris, a higher amount of
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Speaker 8: boards scattered around, and in this case, the reports coming
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Speaker 8: in is that that disturbed earth was covered up by
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Speaker 8: a large piece of wood.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you are seeing video of l E law enforcement
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Speaker 1: on the scene and they're discovering kits, and as Joe
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Speaker 1: Holden just told us, a lot of these first responders
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Speaker 1: and police went off the grid and couldn't be reached.
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Speaker 1: It was just just too much. Doctor Thomas Coin joining
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Speaker 1: US Chief Medical Examiner, District two Medical Examiner's Office, State
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Speaker 1: of Florida. He is a forensic pathologist, he is a toxicologist,
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Speaker 1: he's a neuropathologist, and more. Doctor Coin, I'm sure you
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Speaker 1: are familiar with the area of investigation that is forensic entomology.
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Speaker 1: And I bring that up because of the existence of maggots,
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Speaker 1: not blowflies, but maggots. Why do I care because it
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Speaker 1: ages the time of death. It helps me get a
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Speaker 1: time of death.
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Speaker 10: Explain sure, I mean, certainly from the field of entomology,
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Speaker 10: we know that different species of insects all arrive at
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Speaker 10: a decomposing body or a dead body at varying time intervals.
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Speaker 10: So you can collect the different insects species that are
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Speaker 10: found and examine their larval stage. So, for instance, with
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Speaker 10: the guards and maggots, it is well known how long
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Speaker 10: it takes a maggot to go from an egg to
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Speaker 10: a certain sized larval stage, then eventually to becoming a fly.
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Speaker 10: And so if you're able to characterize what stage of
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Speaker 10: development the magot is at, you may have a good
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Speaker 10: idea of how long that body was perhaps present in
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Speaker 10: the ground. So it helps to give a timeframe of
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Speaker 10: death when you're able to examine the various insects, species,
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Speaker 10: and larvae that may be present. And it also provides
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Speaker 10: a good means perhaps of toxicology. You can even test
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Speaker 10: those insects for drugs or poisons if you had no
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Speaker 10: tissue left on the body to examine.
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Speaker 1: New York Control Room. If you could pull up the
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Speaker 1: video of a prior attack caught on video, it's very
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Speaker 1: hard for me to look at this beautiful girl Dotor
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Speaker 1: and reconcile your discussion about maggots. Hold on, hold on,
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Speaker 1: look at this. How'd you like to look out your
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Speaker 1: win and see him peering in. In the video, you
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Speaker 1: hear the victim screaming, call the police, Call the police.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's running, everybody's moving. He's going from window to window
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Speaker 1: to see how he can get in. This is one
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Speaker 1: of his previous victims. Now I'm leading us up to
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Speaker 1: a point a six plus foot There you go, superhero
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Speaker 1: jumping down. He landed in the victim's backyard and strides forward.
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Speaker 1: This is from at s four LCC on TikTok. So
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Speaker 1: you know what, Joe Holden, this guy, he's got a
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Speaker 1: rap sheet as long as my arm. Here he is.
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Speaker 1: This is his either second or third attack. Very sore
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Speaker 1: to the attack on Cada. She Joe Holden didn't stand
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Speaker 1: a chance. She lasted twenty minutes in the car with
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Speaker 1: this predator. Twenty minutes. Joe.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's got that rap sheet. I guess we
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Speaker 5: could call it a rapsheet, or we could call it
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Speaker 5: actually nothing thin air because those cases went away. The
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Speaker 5: case from November when police say he burglarizes the home
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Speaker 5: and then strangles an ex girlfriend on a bed, and
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Speaker 5: that case goes before a judge or a magistrate. We're
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Speaker 5: still sorting out which I believe it was a judge
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Speaker 5: for preliminary hearings, and then witness and victims fail to appear,
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Speaker 5: so the case is withdrawn by the District Attorney's office.
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Speaker 5: And then fast forward to January, where he is engaged
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Speaker 5: in a similar criminal conduct, accused of kidnapping and stranger
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Speaker 5: the same ex girlfriend. So now we have a case
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Speaker 5: happening that's overlapping the first case, okay, and then charges
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Speaker 5: are brought for the second one, not until April. This
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Speaker 5: is the afternoon that police allege the second incident happened.
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Speaker 5: This is in January here, and so charges are brought
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Speaker 5: in April. There are two hearings on the matter, and
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Speaker 5: the District Attorney withdraws the charges. Just yesterday they are
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Speaker 5: admitting that they could have gone forward with the prosecution
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Speaker 5: of this case without a witness to the crime. So
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Speaker 5: right there, they're conceding that they made some mistakes, they
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Speaker 5: should have done things differently. But Nancy, what this has
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Speaker 5: done is this has triggered an all out war of
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Speaker 5: words between the DA's office and the courts in Philadelphia,
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Speaker 5: with the courts telling the District Attorney's office that they
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Speaker 5: should be ashamed of themselves. They've been appallingly disrespectful, and
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Speaker 5: they're descriptions of how their interaction in these criminal cases
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Speaker 5: has played out. So we're still unraveling.
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Speaker 1: By Okay, brace yourself, Joe Holden, that is a load
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Speaker 1: of crap. That video from at S four LCC TikTok,
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Speaker 1: because there's plenty of blame to go around here. Let
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Speaker 1: me bring in Mark Tate, veterans trial lawyer, high profile
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Speaker 1: lawyer out of the Savannah jurisdiction with the Tate Law
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Speaker 1: Group and beyond Tate take off your defense at just
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Speaker 1: one moment. This is complete BS. Let's break it down
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Speaker 1: for people that have not been in the criminal justice system.
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Speaker 1: Number one, the DA, not the judge failed. They had
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Speaker 1: a case where a woman was strangled on her bed
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Speaker 1: and a subsequent case and she was an FTA. She
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Speaker 1: has described her fear that he would get right back
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Speaker 1: out and finish your off. That's why she was in
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Speaker 1: ft A. Failure to appear, So what failure to appear?
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Speaker 1: That means nothing to me. That's why we have investigators
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Speaker 1: go find her. That's not hard to say this. If
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Speaker 1: we go fine, easy, But wait a minute. Take there
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Speaker 1: there's more, because I want to hear your whole opinion.
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Speaker 1: That was the DA's fault, not the judges. But then
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Speaker 1: the judges pile on because they give him The DA
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Speaker 1: asked for a million dollar bond and they go n
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Speaker 1: and they give him a low bond. He has access
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Speaker 1: to money, a lot of money, and he walks so
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Speaker 1: both of them are guilty, and I don't care how
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Speaker 1: much they're like, oh, we screwed it up. Yeah you did.
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Speaker 1: Because Kate is dead. You can think about that tonight
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Speaker 1: when you try to go to sleep. It's on you.
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Speaker 1: That's the truth there, man.
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Speaker 9: I really do want to stress a couple of things.
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Speaker 9: And I represent judges, and I represented as sitting elected
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Speaker 9: district attorneys, and so I am sympathetic with their position. However,
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Speaker 9: here I think there is as exactly if you described.
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Speaker 1: To be sympathetic.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I know what I'm saying. It came from
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Speaker 9: my client's interests. But I also take on judges when
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Speaker 9: they make mistakes. It just got one recused from Savannah's
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Speaker 9: probate court last week because he should not be close
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Speaker 9: to a bitch. And I take on judges when they
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Speaker 9: make a mistake, and I take on district attorneys when
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Speaker 9: they make a mistake.
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Speaker 1: This this is not an infomercial for the Take Law group.
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Speaker 1: Can we focus on this case.
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Speaker 9: What I'm saying is that judges and district attorneys should
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Speaker 9: be held accountable when they make mistakes. This is a
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Speaker 9: mistake that should terrify any victim of domestic violence and
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Speaker 9: the fact that another victim just walked away. They we
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Speaker 9: know the tests showed, the studies show that victims of
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Speaker 9: domestic violence don't come to court. They frequently failed to
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Speaker 9: prosecute their cases. It's in the district attorney's discretion how
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Speaker 9: they go forward.
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Speaker 7: A really sophisticated approach to the case would have been
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Speaker 7: to try to.
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Speaker 11: Put it all on with video evidence. That is not
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Speaker 11: usually an easy thing to do. I would say, with
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Speaker 11: twenty twenty hindsight, it's something that could have been done,
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Speaker 11: and I own that. I mean, ultimately, the buck stops here.
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Speaker 11: It's now my job to throw other people under the bus.
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Speaker 7: If there's a key decision that is poor, and I
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Speaker 7: believe that that was an incorrect decision, then we have
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Speaker 7: to own it and we have to.
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Speaker 5: Try to do better.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 12: Kate to Scott's Human Remains with two weeks after she
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Speaker 12: went message.
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Speaker 7: During new charges being brought against Key on king Arson
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Speaker 7: causing catastrophe, conspiracy, authorized use of an automobile, receiving still
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Speaker 7: on property, reckless endangerment of another person, tampering with evidence.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I heard additional charges. I didn't hear
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Speaker 1: that very special word murder arson definitely receiving. Who cares?
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Speaker 1: Kata Scott was murdered, according to Joe Holden joining us
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Speaker 1: from CBS News Philly, within twenty minutes after she gets
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Speaker 1: into the car of the alleged perpetrator. But tonight a
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Speaker 1: more disturbing question. Is there someone out there that actually
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Speaker 1: thought it was a good idea to help murder Kata
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Speaker 1: Scott so there wouldn't be witnesses and or dispose of
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Speaker 1: her body.
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Speaker 4: Listen, at this point, we do have reason to believe
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Speaker 4: that other people may have been involved after the fact,
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Speaker 4: at the point where the Hyundai Accent is on scene
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Speaker 4: on video at the rec center leading up to all
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Speaker 4: the events we're talking about the other car, the Toyota
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Speaker 4: is there as well, and we believe the people in
24:20
Speaker 4: these vehicles are working together.
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Speaker 1: Is that why Joe Holden that law enforcement believes there
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Speaker 1: is an accomplice? Maybe after the fact, maybe not. I
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Speaker 1: don't know the extent of the accomplice's involvement. But there's
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Speaker 1: two cars. He wasn't driving both of them, or was
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Speaker 1: he driving both of them at two different times? Who
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Speaker 1: do the two cars belong to? Why are they saying
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Speaker 1: Bob shell, there's an accomplice. It thinks it's a good
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Speaker 1: idea to bury a Miss USA hopeful behind an abandoned
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Speaker 1: middle school.
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Speaker 5: So we don't know what kind of help he's getting.
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Speaker 5: You've you're ringing a bell that's going off in all
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Speaker 5: of our minds is where is the homicide charge. We've
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Speaker 5: not seen it. We've only heard that they are working
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Speaker 5: on bringing that case. So instead of that case, we
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Speaker 5: have now what is an arson charge and there's also
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Speaker 5: a conspiracy charge attached to it, So they're right in lies.
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Speaker 5: Who's the helper? Also about this tipster that leads them
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Speaker 5: back to this property on Saturday. We don't even have
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Speaker 5: a sense that investigators have an identity on the tipster.
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Speaker 5: Lots of sources telling us this has to be someone
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Speaker 5: in Keon King's tight knit circle here, his group, someone
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Speaker 5: he knows, maybe a family member. We are scratching at
25:47
Speaker 5: the surface here, Hey.
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Speaker 1: Guys, this video is from Joe's station, CBS Philly. Joe question,
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Speaker 1: how soon after the ten thousand dollars reward was announce
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Speaker 1: bounced did someone give a tip?
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Speaker 5: Pretty immediately? There was Wednesday of last week and the
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Speaker 5: family was offering a tip. I believe it was slightly
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Speaker 5: under ten thousand at that moment. So then the call
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Speaker 5: comes into nine Poet one to check the middle school property.
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Speaker 5: And then by Saturday the reward was increasing. I believe
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Speaker 5: it had reached maybe twelve thousand dollars. And an email
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Speaker 5: comes in to one of the you know, Philadelphia Police
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Speaker 5: Department's tip lines, you know, a tip server, I guess, saying,
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Speaker 5: go back, go back to the middle school. Oh when
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Speaker 5: you have to look here.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, apparently Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney,
26:43
Speaker 1: there is no honor amongst thieves.
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Speaker 9: Nope, I agree totally. If somebody's fat's in the fire,
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Speaker 9: they're going to grab you and bring bring you with them.
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Speaker 9: So sure there's an accomplice that appears pretty obvious, because
26:56
Speaker 9: we don't think that Kean King is going to turn
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Speaker 9: himself in or give any tips to try to find
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Speaker 9: this lady. Obviously, somebody, in my opinion, from my experience,
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Speaker 9: assisted in disposing of this body, and I'm afraid that
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Speaker 9: they maybe felt guilty and wanted to try to get
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Speaker 9: out of it in some fashion.
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Speaker 1: Translation, they wanted that ten thousand dollars reward, and.
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Speaker 9: They wanted the ten thousand dollars. You know, ten thousand
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Speaker 9: dollars can change some people's lives. And so I think that.
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Speaker 1: So much funny the gul that helped bury her body,
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Speaker 1: that police then dug out with their bare hands through
27:39
Speaker 1: the maggots called in because they were guilty. And what
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Speaker 1: a coink You think a coincidence that for you that
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Speaker 1: it was right after the reward was announced.
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Speaker 9: I agree with you, Like I said, you know, you thieves.
27:58
Speaker 9: If somebody's in trouble, If somebody's in trouble and they
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Speaker 9: think they can give you up and get themselves out
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Speaker 9: of trouble or less trouble than what the otherwise would be,
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Speaker 9: they're gonna snitch. These are not honorable people. These are
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Speaker 9: absolutely the lowest. These aren't like you know, people who
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Speaker 9: are going to protect each other out of any kind
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Speaker 9: of loyalty. There's no loyalty. You're going to get it.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to throw this to Brian Fitzgibbons because you'll
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Speaker 1: probably deny it, and then I'll ask doctor Jerry land
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Speaker 1: Utter about it. Fitzgibbons, You've investigated a lot of cases,
28:31
Speaker 1: and I know this is going to sound crazy to
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Speaker 1: a lot of people. That have not been in our shoes.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever walked into a group of defendants, like
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Speaker 1: on a crime scene and you can just feel the evil?
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Speaker 1: It's just a feeling. After all the years I investigated
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Speaker 1: and prosecuted, it really only happened a couple of times
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Speaker 1: where you walk in and it's like the hair goes
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Speaker 1: up on the back of your neck and on your arms.
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Speaker 1: You can sense it. You can sense a feeling of
29:05
Speaker 1: just evil. Talking about no honor among thieves. I mean, really,
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Speaker 1: come on, fitz Gibbons, how hard is it going to
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Speaker 1: be to trace the IP of the email the Internet provider? Please?
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Speaker 8: This is a very simple process for law enforcement to conduct.
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Speaker 8: Number One, they get a subpoena to the ISP, and
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Speaker 8: they get that full email header and they unmask the
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Speaker 8: location of where this email came from. It would take
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Speaker 8: a pretty nuanced person to hide that email from them,
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Speaker 8: and I believe that they can do this pretty rapidly.
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Speaker 1: To Doctor Jerry Lynn Utter joining US a clinical psychologist
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Speaker 1: specializing and evaluations and assessments for people in the criminal
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Speaker 1: justice system. She's the author of mainlining Philly regarding drug
29:56
Speaker 1: addiction and aftershock. I mean, do you sort of utter nonsense.
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Speaker 1: That's a documentary exploring addiction, not a genrealine an utter
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Question what Ghul thinks
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Speaker 1: it's okay to put a beautiful young girl, brilliant graduate
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Speaker 1: at Penn State, that's not easy, and bury her in
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Speaker 1: a shallow grave behind an abandoned middle school and just
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Speaker 1: for good measure, covered up with a board that's going
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Speaker 1: to stop at a dab or dog and walk away
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Speaker 1: and feel okay with that.
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Speaker 13: Whoever is involved, if there is an accomplice like Joe
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Speaker 13: Holdensane in moving her body or burying her, this is
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Speaker 13: somebody that has a similar psychopathy or personality trait as
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Speaker 13: kan King himself. So to your point that you made
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Speaker 13: earlier about the hair standing up on the back of
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Speaker 13: your neck when I heard that, that same exact thing
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Speaker 13: happened to me. Because the group that mister King is within,
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Speaker 13: in the circle of accomplices that he works within, have
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Speaker 13: a similar mindset as he does. So you know, they
31:08
Speaker 13: probably didn't really see miss Scott much as as a
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Speaker 13: human being. This was somebody that they were burying in
31:15
Speaker 13: order to please Keon or to help Keon. So the
31:18
Speaker 13: psychopathy is similar, and that you're dealing with folks that
31:20
Speaker 13: are sociopathic. So anybody that is going to work to
31:24
Speaker 13: do that probably has a similar personality organization as mister Kink.
31:29
Speaker 13: The other alternative nancy, which you probably aren't going to
31:31
Speaker 13: want to hear, is that maybe the accomplished or person
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Speaker 13: may have been under some type of coercive control, afraid
31:37
Speaker 13: of him, afraid of retaliation from him. That's also an option,
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Speaker 13: but I feel as though it's more you know, people
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Speaker 13: that are floating in the same circle as he is
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Speaker 13: and also have the same type of mindset as he does.
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Speaker 4: In our office approved charges as the DAE just said
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Speaker 4: of arson causing catastrophe, conspiracy, unauthorized use of an automobile,
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Speaker 4: tampering with evidence, recklessly endangering another person, and receive a
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Speaker 4: stolen property. Those charges are in reference to the burning
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Speaker 4: of a vehicle. That vehicle is a two thousand and
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Speaker 4: eight black Hyundai accent.
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Speaker 2: Kata with deeply loved, her light, kindness and beautiful spirit
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Speaker 2: will forever remain in our hearts. Our family now seeks
32:19
Speaker 2: justice for Kata.
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Speaker 5: Kada Scott mattered, her life.
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Speaker 1: Matters a second car. Does that indicate is that the
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Speaker 1: proof of an accomplished some ghoul that thought it was
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Speaker 1: okay to throw the body of a miss USA hopeful
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Speaker 1: into a shallow grave or dig the grave and then
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Speaker 1: just walk away. I not think another thing about it. Okay,
32:46
Speaker 1: you're hearing about arson charges. Where's that coming from? Listen?
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Speaker 4: There was a nine one one call that a vehicle
32:52
Speaker 4: was on fire, so police did respond to it. The
32:55
Speaker 4: fire department response responded to it, ruled it an arson,
32:59
Speaker 4: and that at that point when they were finished with
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Speaker 4: their investigation, the car was it was demolished, it was burned,
33:04
Speaker 4: so it was taken in, towed and compacted.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at CBS Philly and speaking off straight
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Speaker 1: out to Joe Holden, tell me about the car fire.
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Speaker 1: It seems disconnected, but it is very connected. Man probably
33:19
Speaker 1: won't get any evidence from it. But who does it
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Speaker 1: belong to? What do we know?
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Speaker 5: It was stolen? It was stolen on October third, so
33:27
Speaker 5: that is the day before Kata Scott was missing. And
33:30
Speaker 5: then we know once she goes missing, it's twenty minutes
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Speaker 5: later that police sources believe that she has killed. But
33:35
Speaker 5: then that is the car seen on video from the
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Speaker 5: rec center that sits next to the middle school that
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Speaker 5: Kean King is removing Kata Scott from the Hondai accent
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Speaker 5: two thousand and eight Hondai accent. Then she's placed on the.
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Speaker 1: Middle shape because you got him up again. I need
33:56
Speaker 1: to understand exactly what he's saying, Joe Holten and tell
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Speaker 1: me that one more time.
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Speaker 5: Car stolen on October third, Kata Scott who is missing
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Speaker 5: on October fourth, and then the car is found burning
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Speaker 5: on the street October seventh. Miraculously Philadelphia gets right to
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Speaker 5: it and finds the car and takes it off the
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Speaker 5: street because it is an abandoned burning car. It goes
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Speaker 5: to a junk yard where it is crushed and compacted.
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Speaker 5: We've confirmed that there is no valuable DNA or evidence
34:29
Speaker 5: that can be retrieved from that car because it all
34:32
Speaker 5: burned up in the fire and was compacted.
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Speaker 1: But at the time it was taken to a toy
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Speaker 1: lot and compacted, crushed, they likely didn't know it was
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Speaker 1: connected to Kita.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely true. And that is where you know they're explaining
34:50
Speaker 5: why they can't get you any sort of usable evidence
34:54
Speaker 5: from this car because it's destroyed and they do say
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Speaker 5: it was They say it was destroyed in the fire.
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Speaker 5: So whatever actions happened at the junkyard. It's not like
35:04
Speaker 5: they could go back in pieces thing together.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I believe that, fitz Gibbons.
35:08
Speaker 1: Even if a car has been through fire, I don't
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Speaker 1: know how much of it was burned. I don't know
35:14
Speaker 1: if the handle could have had DNA or fingerprints still
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Speaker 1: on it. I don't know if the interior was intact
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Speaker 1: in any wami. Without seeing the car, I don't know
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Speaker 1: that we couldn't have gotten a fingerprints. But that's the wood.
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Speaker 1: It could have shown up again. Because it's over, it's
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Speaker 1: being compacted. You're not going to get anything from it now,
35:35
Speaker 1: fitz Gibbons.
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Speaker 8: This vehicle being compacted makes it nearly impossible. And you know,
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Speaker 8: I will say that there are cases after a vehicle
35:44
Speaker 8: is burnt that we can recover some physical evidence that
35:48
Speaker 8: this is going to speak directly to.
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Speaker 5: The amount of blood that was present in that vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Guys, this is what we know about the vehicle. Take
35:55
Speaker 1: a listen to the Ada Ashley Taslavsky.
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Speaker 4: That vehicle was stolen on October third from the area
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Speaker 4: of sixty six hundred Sprague Streets.
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Speaker 1: We believe that vehicle is the vehicle.
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Speaker 5: That was used in this case.
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Speaker 4: That vehicle was then on scene at that rec center,
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Speaker 4: which ultimately, as we all know, is where we found
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Speaker 4: miss Scott's human remains. Video evidence indicates it was on location.
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Speaker 4: Video evidence then indicates it leaves the location it is
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Speaker 4: burned on October seventh. It was located on the twenty
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Speaker 4: three hundred block of seventy fourth Avenue.
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Speaker 1: Straight back to CBS Philly Chief investigative reporter and anchor
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Speaker 1: Joe Holden, Now, tell me about the video because the
36:39
Speaker 1: car is destroyed. I'm not getting anything from that, Okay.
36:43
Speaker 1: I would stay up all night fuming if I were
36:46
Speaker 1: prosecuting this case. But immediately fallback for a hill, Mary
36:50
Speaker 1: the hill? Mary? Is it video? What does the video
36:53
Speaker 1: show about how this car is connected to Cata?
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Speaker 5: So the video shows the car arrives at that middle
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Speaker 5: school property there in East Germantown where Kada is later
37:04
Speaker 5: found buried. Just as past weekend, the Toyota that they
37:09
Speaker 5: were feverishly searching for a week ago is also there now.
37:13
Speaker 5: So Keon King, according to prosecutors and sources, is using
37:19
Speaker 5: both cars in tandem and at times separately. He is
37:24
Speaker 5: apparently using someone else to help him with both cars,
37:29
Speaker 5: so both cars are in motion so to speak, in
37:32
Speaker 5: this investigation. But it is the Hyundai Accent that is
37:37
Speaker 5: the car believed to take Kata Scott from her place
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Speaker 5: of work in Chestnut Hill Saturday, October fourth, just moments
37:45
Speaker 5: after ten pm than to the middle school property. And
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Speaker 5: then that car on video is seen coming and going
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Speaker 5: two to three times in the time since October fourth, And.
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Speaker 4: We recovered additional evidence, including video evidence, that confirms that
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Speaker 4: this vehicle we believe is the vehicle that mister Keian
38:04
Speaker 4: King used to move Miss Scott. Be recovered video out
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Speaker 4: from near the Ada Lewis Middle School where our search
38:13
Speaker 4: and the investigator search has been focused. There's a rec
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Speaker 4: center directly next to that school. Video evidences recovered from
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Speaker 4: that rec center, and we are now able to say
38:24
Speaker 4: that this Hyundai Accent was on location at all of
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Speaker 4: the times we're looking at, at all of the pertinent
38:30
Speaker 4: points in the investigation.
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Speaker 12: Kada was kind. She was a kind woman. She was
38:35
Speaker 12: kind to our friends, she was kind to our family.
38:38
Speaker 12: Cada is someone who could have been our sister, cousin,
38:42
Speaker 12: just someone that is a friend or family member in
38:45
Speaker 12: our lives, could have been anybody, any.
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Speaker 1: One of us, I want to go quickly out to
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Speaker 1: Dr Thomas Coin guys. He is the chief medical examiner
38:54
Speaker 1: district to in the state of Florida, forensic pathologists to psychologist, neuropathologist.
39:00
Speaker 1: And it goes on, how are we going to get
39:04
Speaker 1: a CD cause of death given the amount of time
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Speaker 1: between Kata's death, her murder and the discovery of her remains.
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Speaker 10: It really depends upon if sufficient tissue is present still
39:18
Speaker 10: on the body that allows us to identify an injury.
39:21
Speaker 10: So a decomposition has progressed far enough where most of
39:25
Speaker 10: the soft tissues on a neck and on the torso
39:28
Speaker 10: or absent, it may be hard to see if she
39:30
Speaker 10: was strangled or even stabbed, So they may have to
39:34
Speaker 10: employ the help of an anthropologist that can do a
39:38
Speaker 10: little more detailed examination and the skelt and to see
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Speaker 10: if there are any fractur so, for instance, a person
39:44
Speaker 10: was let's say stabbed, So you may actually.
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Speaker 1: Can't do that with an X ray.
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Speaker 10: Coin no, very hard to sometimes see the difference between
39:52
Speaker 10: let's say scavenging activity like tooth marks from an animal
39:56
Speaker 10: compared to knife mark from a tool. But if you
39:59
Speaker 10: were able to actually at the bone. Not only can
40:02
Speaker 10: you actually see the knife mark, you can make a
40:03
Speaker 10: determination as to whether or not that occurred before death
40:07
Speaker 10: as opposed to just artifact after death. And then you
40:10
Speaker 10: can also maybe use that to create a mold to
40:12
Speaker 10: compare it to a murder weapon if you actually find one,
40:16
Speaker 10: So it gives you a more optional that.
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Speaker 1: Is predicated doctor coin upon the knife if the knife
40:22
Speaker 1: was used kidding a bone exactly.
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Speaker 10: So that's the difficult part about having a body that's
40:28
Speaker 10: found in the ground. If a body's found in the ground, and.
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Speaker 1: Don't you think the likely cod is going to be
40:37
Speaker 1: asphyxiation in.
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Speaker 5: That car I do.
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Speaker 10: In this case, I do. And the only thing you
40:43
Speaker 10: hope for is that they were The fact that they
40:46
Speaker 10: haven't release the cause of death tells me that they
40:48
Speaker 10: didn't have sufficient evidence to determine asphyxiation. You know, if
40:51
Speaker 10: you strangle a person, if the person is recently deceased,
40:55
Speaker 10: you may be able to see bruising in the neck,
40:57
Speaker 10: bruising in the neck muscles. Sometimes you can get a
41:00
Speaker 10: acture of the thyroid cartilage or a hyoid bone. But
41:03
Speaker 10: in a body that's decomposing outside, you hope that you
41:06
Speaker 10: even find a highway bone.
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Speaker 14: If there is a scavenger buried buried coin buried buried,
41:16
Speaker 14: would that preclude quote scavenger activity.
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Speaker 1: Animals carry her body apart. Let's just put it out there,
41:23
Speaker 1: that's what it is. If she were buried coin, then
41:28
Speaker 1: I don't know that scavengers had gotten to her.
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Speaker 10: No, well, flies did, right, so she was covered in maggot.
41:34
Speaker 10: So just because she's in the ground in a shallow grade,
41:37
Speaker 10: it doesn't mean scavengers can't have access to the body.
41:39
Speaker 10: Those chemicals of decomposition voltailized. They're able to be smelled
41:43
Speaker 10: animals all around, and there are burying animals that can
41:45
Speaker 10: go into the ground. But what I'm saying is that
41:49
Speaker 10: even if you strangled her, because she's young, she may
41:51
Speaker 10: not have fractures in her neck. All of the injuries
41:53
Speaker 10: may be in soft tissue like bruises, and if that
41:56
Speaker 10: tissue is gone from decomposition or maggot.
41:59
Speaker 1: Actually, let me see him for peace Coin. You can
42:03
Speaker 1: see the monitor, right, you can see KATEA. Scott. Does
42:08
Speaker 1: it ever bother you? Because it bothers me badly that
42:12
Speaker 1: we're talking about animals burrowing into the ground to eat
42:15
Speaker 1: her body and tear it apart.
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Speaker 10: It's hard to separate the dad in me, you know,
42:21
Speaker 10: from the doctor. So when I have these cases, I
42:23
Speaker 10: have to turn that out. I mean, it certainly does
42:25
Speaker 10: bother you when those cases come up to my office.
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Speaker 1: And this is horrible, Joe, I'm gonna have to quit
42:33
Speaker 1: thinking about everything, doctor Thomas Coyn is saying, because I
42:37
Speaker 1: know it's all true, and I know he's right, but
42:41
Speaker 1: I need to think about the evidence that I can handle.
42:44
Speaker 1: How am I going to prove this case and get
42:47
Speaker 1: the killer and all of his minions that helped him.
42:50
Speaker 1: Can we talk about cell phone evidence very quickly, Joe holden.
42:53
Speaker 5: Self, phone evidence places him at all of the permanent locations,
42:57
Speaker 5: the District Attorney's office says, in this whole you know
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Speaker 5: sort of scheme where it starts on October third with
43:04
Speaker 5: the stealing of a car. October fourth, she goes missing,
43:06
Speaker 5: and then that car is back and forth a few
43:08
Speaker 5: times to this middle school property. Is he moving her?
43:12
Speaker 5: Is he doing? What is he trying to conceal further
43:14
Speaker 5: you know, evidence that he's been there. We will wait
43:17
Speaker 5: and see the District Attorney's office. Nancy. If you hear
43:20
Speaker 5: a lot of how they phrased this. They don't say body,
43:23
Speaker 5: they don't stay dead, they don't they're really just a
43:26
Speaker 5: degree of respect for Kata Scott, that he moves her,
43:30
Speaker 5: that he takes her there. And so we're scratching our
43:33
Speaker 5: heads in a lot of the time trying to figure out, well,
43:37
Speaker 5: is she dead as she's being moved. And after all
43:40
Speaker 5: of this, we determined we were able to find out
43:42
Speaker 5: from our sources twenty minutes after she leaves her work,
43:47
Speaker 5: they believe she is killed. So as far as the evidence,
43:51
Speaker 5: there's video, there's cell records, and of course, now there
43:55
Speaker 5: is this tipster who provided information on two occasions to
43:59
Speaker 5: Philadelphia Pulley. They are actively investigating the person's identity and
44:03
Speaker 5: are hoping to uncover the trail that that person provided
44:06
Speaker 5: the information that then led police here. That tipster is
44:09
Speaker 5: now part of this investigation.
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Speaker 1: VIDEOCBS Philly as we go to air tonight, the case
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Speaker 1: against Kata Scott's killer is being created. The investigation is ongoing.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
44:28
Speaker 1: disappearance and death of this beautiful girl, Kata Scott, please
44:33
Speaker 1: dial two one five six eight six eight four seven
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Speaker 1: seven repeat two one five six eight six, eight, four,
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Speaker 1: seven seven, We remember American Hero Sergeant Harold Preston, Houston PD,
44:50
Speaker 1: shot in the line of duty after forty one years
44:54
Speaker 1: in law enforcement, leaving behind devastated parents. American Hero Sergeant
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Speaker 1: Harold Preston, Nancy Grace signing off good bye friend,