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The secret to living a life without regrets _ building success · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: And it's more it's an excuse. Yes, at its best,
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  it's a lack of perspective. The reality is you could
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  never do that for that person. On the flip side,
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  if you're like, please just pay attention to who's giving
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  the advice. People say things to me all the time
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  like you've never built a business.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose. I'm so grateful
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  that you're a part of this community. I'm so grateful
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  that you keep committing to your growth, your development, and
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  your learning. And today's guest doesn't really need an introduction.
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  I know that you're all aware watching his content everywhere
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  from Facebook to Instagram, to YouTube and many other platforms
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  LinkedIn included. But today I love the fact that we're
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  not watching a keynote, We're not watching a Q and A,
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  we're not watching on one minute or three minute IGTV clip.
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  We're getting a moment to dive in on Purpose with
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  the one and only Gary Vee, serial entrepreneur, investor, five
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  times New York Times best selling author, and the founder
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  of vyner me YEA and vana X. Gary, thank you
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  for being here man. You well, actually I'm in your office,
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  so it's all family. I appreciate man, Thank you so
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  much for doing this. No, thank you so much on this.
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  Thank you man, really well, thank you. I've really been
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  looking forward to this because I've been in this office
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  a few times. Yes, and those meetings with you have
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  always been memorable than you. And I say this to
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  everyone when I'm thinking about being an entrepreneur, when I'm
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  thinking about working hard, the person's content I switch on
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  to his yours.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: So for me, your content has been really powerful for me.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think many people knew this when I
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  first came in there and interviewed for crushing it, which
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  was so much fun. But that for me, I when
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  I hear you speak, I feel very aligned with a
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  lot of it, and actually it's helped me gain conscious
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  competence on what I already do. So I think a
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  lot of us have unconscious competence. We're doing stuff right,
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  but we don't even know we're doing it right. Yes,
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  And then when I listen to you, I'm like, oh,
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  I do that, Okay, I'm doing it right. And that's
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  been a really nice reaffirming belief man.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny to hear you say that I
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  do that for myself. Yes, I'm such an intuitive executor.
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  Yes that I lived through life where I go, wait
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  a minute, I'm doing this, and then I'm almost doing
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  it for myself, which is why I think it's easy
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  for me to do it for others. Yes, a lot
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  of you know, it's even me. Just saying that out
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  loud made me realize, huh, that's similar to the things
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  I talk about. I am so uncomfortable to talk about
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  anything that I haven't lived. It's easy to share my
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  opinions and thoughts and aspirations because they're completely predicated on
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  actually doing it, not on hypothesis or ideology or things
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  I've heard from others. It's a very safe place.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, And this is yeah, I slowly agree. It's
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  one of the reasons why I don't have any advice
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  on parenting. Like I always get advice asked questions on
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  parenting when I'm on panels or whatever, and I'm like,
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  I'm not a parent yet, so my opinions.
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  Speaker 1: Of this, I'd love to ask you a question. It's funny.
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  I've been that way for a long time. And then
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  I started thinking about the great coaches. You know, there's
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  some all time great athletic coaches who've never played the sport,
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  and I always think about that, which is, you know,
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  I am now a parent, but I can tell you
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  that a lot of my opinions on parenting have become
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  true because I was actually able to synthesize it from
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  the perspective of the child. So I've been parented, yes,
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  which gives me quite a bit of a perspective, and
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  that's something you may want to, you know. I also
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  intuitively through our you know, a couple of our business
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  meetings and some of our dinners, like I do think
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  naturally we do align in a lot of ways, though
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  we manifest our energies hourly differently. I think that one
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  thing for you to debate is what in the way
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  that you were parented has created you and what does
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  that then mean? Is I think that I think that's
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  something we need to I actually think that I am
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  consumer centric, which is why I'm a great salesperson. I
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  don't think about me trying to sell this basketball card.
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  I think about why would Jason want this basketball card.
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  I actually think that most of my parenting hot takes
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  come from the perspective of the child, not the parent.
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  It's being the consumer of instead of the pontificator of.
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  So I don't know. I actually think that children should
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  be speaking more as we get older. As a forty
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  four year old, our parenting advice should be predicated on
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  tapping into who we were as children, not who we're
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  parenting today, because a lot of the shortcomings of parenting
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  is the opinions of other parents and teachers, not staying
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  in a silo. But when you think of yourself as
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  a child, you can only take the context of what
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  your parents did in your perception at this point, right,
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  wrong or indifferent?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. No, I agree, And I think
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  it's a part of it is just and I think
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  you match this. And that's what I'm trying to do,
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  is if I am advising on something that I haven't
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  done yet, it's balanced with humility, right, Like it's coming
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  from a place.
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  Speaker 1: Of you're more obvious with your humility than I am.
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  One of the reasons twenty five percent of people or
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  whatever the number is, at first struggle with me, or
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  as you've navigated through life, maybe you've been surprised at
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  times like oh you don't like Gary. It's because your
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  energy as a communicator the humility is extremely obvious, and
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  that's why the audience loves you so much. Ironically, humility
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  is why my audience loves me so much, except there's
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  a venear of a competitive alpha, a cursing Jersey kid
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  that doesn't necessarily immediately become obvious. Yes, which allows a
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  certain amount of judgment and not misunderstanding, because I am
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  who I am, and so I don't judge others for that.
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  But yes, I think that people see my humility tent
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  if they dig in a little bit, it's you are
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  much more obvious. Though. It is absolutely our connective tissue
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  on palpableness that yes, we do have some natural talents
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  and life experiences, but there is an inherent understanding that
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  we share on that. I'm absolutely convinced that my humility
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  is a deep foundational aspect to my success, and I
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  do not believe that most people actually see that at
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  first with me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know a lot of people would just say that.
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  When you're saying that about yourself, it's like, oh, well, yeah,
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  it's easy to say, but you're right. Someone needs to
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  dig in, right, You need to dig in. You need
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  to get stuck into someone's life to really know what
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  they're for. And when you ask me about that parenting point,
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  the first thing that came to my mind is my
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  parents never really got excited about metrics or achievements for me,
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  and I love that because it pushed me further. So
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  we didn't really celebrate every win, Like if I got
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  a first class degree, which I did, my parents weren't
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  like shouting out the rooftops of it. It was like, well,
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  what's next. And so for me, my mindset's away in
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  a healthy way, in a healthy way.
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  Speaker 1: Not in like no, but it's important. The reason I
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  jumped in is like people, you know, like I even
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  got goosebumps. Like I can hear a lot of people
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  now hearing that and saying, oh, that's a lot of
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  fucking pressure, Like I don't smell the roses either. I've
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  never celebrated shit in a healthy way. It doesn't. It's
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  like this balancing act of like, that's awesome, but I'm
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  not gonna let that achievement make me be a dick face.
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  At the same token, if I never achieve another thing,
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  that's okay. It's the opportunity to try to achieve the
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  next thing that is exciting, not the judgment of if
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  I do from others.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And I think we have that challenge where
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  you either get cochy or complacent right when something goes yeah, well,
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  you kind of go either way. And it's like you
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  either let compliments get to your head or you let
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  criticism get to your hat. And I feel like, if
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  you're really good at letting compliments get to your head,
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  you're more likely to let criticism get to your hat.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's the same thing I always say, which
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  is like I can't hear anything, right, I don't hear
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  the booze, I don't hear the cheers. I talk a
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  lot about why people aren't capable of producing content to
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  the world, which is now the requirement as a human
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  to achieve happiness. I genuinely believe that. I believe taking
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  advantage of all of our abilities to reach out to
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  the world through these new channels with no friction is
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  an enormous gift, an opportunity. The reason most can't achieve
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  it is because they're unable to take back the inevitable
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  feedback that immediately comes with the opportunity. To your point,
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  I genuinely believe the reason I can take the feedback
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  is because when I go into my Instagram post that
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  I just posted, literally in back to back content comments,
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  excuse me, one will say that I'm walking on water
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  and the next will say that I'm a snake oil
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  salesman Charlotte. And the fact that neither penetrate my psyche
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  is absolutely where I'm at.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that's equanimity, right, Like that is that whatever
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  you want to call it.
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  Speaker 1: It's the game because people want the positive reinforcement that
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  you know, there's so many models on Instagram, right, men
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  and women, You're so beautiful, you look so great, You're
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  so beautiful, you look so great, You're full of shit,
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  you look fake. They're crushed because they take too much
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  in that you look so great.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that's the point that we're hitting
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  on here, which I love, is that that over emphasis
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  on positive it's what makes the negative so hard to take.
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  Speaker 1: It's also an incredible place for me to add some
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  clarity that I haven't done a good job on historically,
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  which is something I'm thinking a lot more about. Roguf.
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  It's fun to see you here because we had this
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  call yesterday. I'm like, look, I'm at my worst when
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  I'm excited in an interview, and I'm drilling a headline
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  because I love it. It's fun, it's showmanship, it's wrestling
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  promo videos. It's my natural state. You know. I talk
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  a lot about not giving a fuck about other people's opinions.
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  It's also because I take the complete opposite approach, which
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  is every negative piece of feedback that I get, I
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  genuinely go into two places. A. I deploy sympathy and
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  empathy for the person leaving the comment, because inevitably, immediately
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  on that action, I know that they're not in a
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  good place. If you go to somebody else's social consume
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  it and then spew hate, you're not in a fun
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  You're not in a good place. You're unhappy. Next, I
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  start trying to see the insight to any truth in it.
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  You know, the second that you're high on your own supply,
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  you're vulnerable, And so I don't I don't give a
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  fuck about anybody's opinion. Ironically, I value everybody's opinion. I
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  just synthesize it and then decide to take the good
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  from it. Yes, by deploying empathy and sympathy to the
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  deliverer of the I'm stunned by our lack of conversation
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  in society right now, this part there's a lot of
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  judgment and heart takes and comments. We need to judge
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  the person delivering.
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  Speaker 2: The message absolutely, Like how is.
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  Speaker 1: Your mother's opinion of you have the same weight as
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  anonymous fifty four's comment on Instagram? Yeah, that is ludicrous, absolutely,
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  in the same way of how does a coworker's opinion
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  You have to factor that in different than your mother
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  because your mother blindly thinks you're the best if you're
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  lucky enough to have that mother, you know, and so
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  super fast. It's just pulling from opposite directions. And I think,
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  you know, I'm pulling so hard from opposite directions that
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  my balance is coming in that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get that, And I love breaking that
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  down into what I call the four seas of trust.
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  It's like, what are you trusting or judging people? Of competence, care, character,
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  or consistency. Right, these are the four things that you
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  can judge someone of. Like you're judging someone of the competency,
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  but don't remember that person may be competent, they may
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  not care about that question.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure your opinions. Yeah, so I hear that, which
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  makes a lot of sense to me. It was funny
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  where my heart went and my brain. I am stunned
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  by how almost binary. My judgment is completely predicated on intent.
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  Speaker 2: Mm.
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  Speaker 1: If you if I believe your intent was to be
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  there for me, m m, but your actions were not
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  that you were consistent. I'm completely unbothered, and I don't
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  know what that means, but I'm super fucking grateful that
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  I have it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's an awe and a skill that you have,
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  and I'd like to think I have the same where
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  I'm I'm able to do that too. I'm able to
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  let go.
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  Speaker 1: What is the concept of not having expectations from your perspective?
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  Because I would tell you that that may be my
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  great superpower.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, somebody said to me, Tom Bell, you on
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  my podcast, said to me, Garry, your superpower is your
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  ability not to judge yourself. And I've been saying it
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  a lot, and then literally on a flight this week,
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  I was like, right, because I don't judge others, Like
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  I'm able to not judge myself because I don't judge others.
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  A lot of people who are like a lot of right.
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  Speaker 2: So tell me, I don't know I'm so powerful. No,
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  I love that. That's such a great point. How do
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  you use That's such a great point. No, You're You're
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  spot on, because the reason why we have we judge
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  others is because we judge ourselves right, the opposite of
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  what you're saying, And so for me, it's the same thing.
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  The reason why I don't expect is because I see
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  everything as my responsibility. I see everything as my work,
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  and I see everything else as a bonus. It's just
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  amazing that anyone even cares about me, or has time
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  for me, or makes an effort to do something or
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  connect me to someone, whatever it is, and that's just
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  a beautiful bonus of life. But I've got to be
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  in charge of it. And I think that just came
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  from many years of having expectations. I think that came
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  from times when I did expect and I didn't get
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  and I realized, I don't want to feel this way anymore,
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  Like I don't want to experience this anymore. This doesn't
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  make any sense. And I think for a lot of people,
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  we do start our lives expecting certain things, whether it's
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  from a relationship or boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever it is,
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  and then we have to deconstruct that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this gets into parenting. Yes, you know, this is
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  the framework of what our parents are creating for us.
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  We're one of the most interesting things that are happening
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  in a lot of modern societies. As we have had
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  disproportionate prosperity over five six, seven decades, America has had
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  a clean run. I mean, we've had a couple of
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  recessions here are in there. We've had a couple of
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  internal country scandals, we have underlining issues of sexism and
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  racism and things of that nature. But in its most macro
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  this has been the Empire. Things have been good, and
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  what has happened is we've created unbelievable levels of entitlement.
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  Speaker 2: Entitlement. Yeah, entitlement, entitlement.
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  Speaker 1: I can't stop thinking about it. Yeah, it's starting to
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  consume me that I never you know, it sounds crass,
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  like never expect anything from anyone, but I almost want
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  to find new ways to say it, just to help
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  people understand it is the great gift of life. Yeah,
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  when you get into a place where you have zero
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  expectations and you actually don't believe you're entitled to anything,
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  you can actually start doing things.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, because otherwise that's what's paralyzing you.
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  Speaker 1: Because you feel like somebody else is in control, the man,
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  the society, the government, the president, the not president, the governor,
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  the mayor, the system, the systematic infrastructure.
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  Speaker 2: And really it's a crutch, right, Like really, it's just
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  it's nutch. Like that's another it's course.
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  Speaker 1: It's an excuse. Yes, at its best, it's a lack
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  of perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, the West, it's an excuse exactly. It's
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  just like it's another way of hate.
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  Speaker 1: When I hate when people that are the opposite of
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  that aren't sympathetic to that. Some people don't use it
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  as an excuse. There are absolutely people who use it
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  as an excuse because they just don't want to do
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  and they want to continue to be entitled, lazy, whatever
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  one would want to deploy. But but I hate when
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  people go the other way, and a lot of people
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  think I can go that other way where it's like
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  it's on you. It's like no, it's it's a little
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  more subtle than that. There are people that just don't
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  have that perspective. And that's why talking about it in
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  moments like this lead to Look, when I do a
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  podcast like this, knowing that you have such a thoughtful audience.
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  I come on knowing we overlap in a lot of places.
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  All I've been thinking about for the first ten minutes,
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  and all I'll think about for the rest of this
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  talk is can I bring one person value? Can I
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  add an adjective, a sentence, a saying the same thing
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  in a different way than Jay or somebody else says
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  that helps Karen, who's listening to this right now in
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  her treadmill, like, actually do something. There's nothing more intoxicating
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  than when you're a communicator than getting the feedback loop
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  of somebody saying you said something, I did something. I'm
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  happier now. End of story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And whether you're listening to or watching this
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  right now, whether you're on a treadmill, whether you're commuting
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  to or from work, whether you're walking your dog right now,
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  I want to want you to make sure rules that
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  you're listening for that, right I just want to prepare
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  the audience, everye who's listening and watching right now, make
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  sure you're listening for that. To find that in this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me say this as an outside observe. If
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  you're listening to Jay's podcast from my standpoint, you have
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  a level of cure, curiosity or subconscious understanding that there's
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  a tweak or two that can really change the game,
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  that already puts you in an incredible place. And when
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  I think about individuals that I admire that are onto it,
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  like yourself, and i'd like to think me in you
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  and me being different, Listen, there's a significant not significant
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  a there's a chunk of the audience right now that
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  genuinely doesn't like me, that likes you because of it.
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  Because I watch, I read it, I think, I know that,
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  and I love you, and I think, but here's where
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  I'm going. My big thing is what I think we
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  need to have more optimism and positivity and ecosystem when
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  we're lucky enough. Here's my point of view. There are
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  people who are going to be attracted to my message
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  style more than yours and vice versa, and we need
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  to start thinking in Avengers talk. Yes, yes, Like I'm
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  very grateful that I was an immigrant, came in through
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  a rugged Russian DNA structure, grew up in Jersey, was
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  a terrible student, didn't understand high society, high education, know anything.
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  Because what ended up happening is at its melting us down.
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  We're the same. Adding the layers allows a forty six
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  year old born in Jersey to a shitty situation. Fuck everybody,
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  Fuck the social left, Fuck everybody. They're attracted to me.
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  Yet what I'm pitching in disguise is empathy, kindness, gratitude.
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  So I'm getting far more DMS from people that say
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  things like a year ago, I was addicted to drugs, striking.
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  My woman thought you were cool. You weren't going to
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  make me money. I don't know what you did to me.
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  But over the last year, I've reconciled that relationship. I've
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  gotten help, I'm selling stuff on eBay, I've gotten this
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  better job. My relationship with my dad has changed. I
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  confronted my mother. The reality is you could never do
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  that for that person. On the flip side, you're doing
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  something for somebody who sees me. An Instagram explore likes
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  the title, clicks it, and an eight second says fuck
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  this guy. This guy's a piece of shit. How conceited
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  ego and they're out and they're never coming back. When
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  I think about that today, I think it's unbelievably important
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  and one of the things I am so happy about
• 18:25
  We've never talked about this, but it, you know, just
• 18:28
  kind of came to me here. I'm so happy that
• 18:30
  we have this admiration for each other because I actually
• 18:33
  believe that there's too many people that are doing good
• 18:36
  in the world right now, but because of the veneer
• 18:39
  of how they're doing it, other good people are judging
• 18:41
  them to not do it their way, and we're destroying
• 18:44
  the upside.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, one hundred percent. I'll give you a perfect example.
• 18:48
  Have happened on the podcast. So a couple of podcasts ago,
• 18:51
  I had Chelsea Handler on the podcast Okay, and a
• 18:53
  lot of people were like, Jay, how can you have
• 18:54
  Chelsea on?
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Right, Like, Chelsea's negative and she talks about celebrity gossip
• 18:58
  and all of this stuff. And I meant she had
• 19:00
  a Wisdom two point zero conference where we were both
• 19:02
  speaking about mindfulness, and I was there and I saw
• 19:04
  Chelsea and she spoke about mindfulness and she sat through
• 19:06
  everyone else's presentations, So she was there for real. She
• 19:09
  was present, and we connected afterwards, and I realized that
• 19:12
  meditation has been a huge part of her life, and
• 19:14
  so I wanted to have her on because that's what
• 19:16
  her new books about. And that's what we were discussing,
• 19:18
  and the judgment was so high of like, Jay, how
• 19:21
  can you sit down? And I was just like, wait
• 19:23
  a minute. If I consider myself a kind, good, empathetic
• 19:26
  human being, if I can't display that to absolutely everyone
• 19:30
  to understand them from a different perspective, then I can't
• 19:32
  be a good kind of empathetic human being.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And so sometimes mentioned Jay, yeah that almost not almost
• 19:40
  everybody doesn't know everything totally about everybody.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Oh of course, I mean the.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Eliminate me going through a process over the last half
• 19:51
  decade of curtailing my judgment. I didn't start with a
• 19:55
  whole lot, but whatever I started at to where I
• 19:59
  am now compared to thirty six months ago has put
• 20:01
  me into a stronger position that I've never could have
• 20:04
  imagined and makes me excited for the next fifty years
• 20:06
  of my life. I'm just done now. If there's something
• 20:10
  that is obviously black and white done, you know, like
• 20:14
  it doesn't mean that nobody can do no wrong, but boy,
• 20:17
  we are in hot take judgment land. Yeah they don't know, Chelsea,
• 20:22
  I don't do anything.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like like they don't know no, no, and we
• 20:27
  don't see it.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And I just don't know. I don't know, like I
• 20:29
  think people here you know, like I don't know.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I actually wanted to do this analysis and
• 20:35
  you've just given me the store right now.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Real quick. Somebody judging somebody for doing celebrity judgment when
• 20:40
  they're judging that celebrity in the output is the most
• 20:44
  hypocritical thing I've ever heard of all time. Yeah, but
• 20:46
  this is literally what they're doing to you in the
• 20:48
  comments section. Feel madd for her doing.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the age of Carla and himpocracy though, right,
• 20:53
  Like that's like that's so huge, Oh boy, like it's
• 20:56
  so huge. But you've just given me an idea because
• 20:58
  when I listen to you and I think this is
• 21:00
  I would love to do, and I don't know if you're.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Cleaned to do it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: So one of you guys, Raga or whoever else is
• 21:03
  in the room, please try this out. I'd love for
• 21:05
  someone on Gary's team to do a keyword search on
• 21:08
  how many times Gary uses the word gratitude or positivity
• 21:13
  or or humility versus even a cuss word that he
• 21:16
  gets said that he says too many of we have
• 21:18
  it awesome? Great, Yeah, I want to see it because
• 21:20
  when I listen to you. When I listen to you,
• 21:22
  and this is what I feel. We have to look beyond,
• 21:25
  and I think what we're encouraging people to do. I
• 21:27
  hear the words optimism, positivity, humility. The other one that
• 21:33
  I said, what did I say, gratitude, gratitude? I say,
• 21:35
  I hear gratitude more than anything. Like every time I
• 21:38
  turn you on, all I ever hear is gratitude. And
• 21:40
  so for me, that's you know, it's even better. Yeah,
• 21:43
  And I love you for that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And we'll see what literally it looks like what I'm
• 21:46
  really why I love you and other people I admire,
• 21:49
  why love hip hop as a genre?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: How about the fact of what about not taking it literally? Yes?
• 21:56
  So like what I know is before I got mature
• 22:01
  enough to start, because I had a bad vocab, because
• 22:03
  I was a poor student, before I got myself to understanding.
• 22:07
  How about the fact that I am in my team,
• 22:08
  I'm looking at my team right now. How about the
• 22:10
  fact that I'm even using the word sympathy now where
• 22:13
  I never even said it once, because I'm starting to
• 22:15
  understand slightly at least the world's interpretation of sympathy versus empathy.
• 22:19
  Because I used empathy sometimes when I meant sympathy. You know,
• 22:23
  I'm evolving, but like, like, but how about go watch
• 22:27
  the first thousand episodes of Wine Library TV. I'm doing
• 22:29
  a wine show. I'm never saying gratitude or empathy or kindness,
• 22:35
  but if you watch itess I'm saying kindness and empathy
• 22:39
  and gratitude and positivity and optimism. Yeah, that's you know.
• 22:46
  To me, that's what I'm trying to In the reverse too,
• 22:49
  I see a lot of people that everybody puts on
• 22:51
  a pedestal in society because they're saying the right things.
• 22:54
  But I'm seeing something different, which is not as pretty,
• 22:57
  and I think that we need to get into a
• 22:59
  thoughtful this conversation as a society of back to intent. Absolutely,
• 23:06
  people are so literal, yes, and like to me what
• 23:09
  I know literally to the day both one of us dies,
• 23:12
  there's nothing you're gonna do that's gonna upset me because
• 23:15
  I've already got enough data binarily on what you're about
• 23:19
  the end. You know, I have the advantage of also
• 23:22
  being in the business world. Like for everybody listening, let me,
• 23:25
  let me say I'm about to give you a compliment
• 23:27
  that I have no clue of how you're gonna take this.
• 23:29
  I'm just enjoying watching from Afar because I'm in the
• 23:32
  trenches of your thoughtfulness, of how you're thinking about your
• 23:36
  professional career. How are you thinking about what partners are
• 23:39
  you going to work with? You know, people are pitching
• 23:41
  you like, you know, this is my world right, So, like,
• 23:44
  even just watching from Afar without details of all the
• 23:47
  different parties, some reaching out to me like, hey, can
• 23:49
  you put in a good word We want to sign
• 23:50
  them for a tour for a book series for like,
• 23:53
  just the thoughtfulness that you're putting in, you know, it
• 23:56
  just reminds me a lot of me, And this maybe
• 23:58
  me complimenting myself. But no, listen, there's not a lot.
• 24:02
  I will say this, Jay, in comparison to a lot
• 24:04
  of people that look like us, guys, gals, different people
• 24:07
  in society, I believe most people are not thoughtful and
• 24:11
  they're kind of into short term KPIs, whether it's dollars
• 24:15
  or fame or followers or just checking the box. And
• 24:18
  I think you've you're deploying currently one of the more
• 24:21
  thoughtful executions. I admire that.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you man. I think it's a big part
• 24:25
  of it is value for patients and for me, a.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Word that's going to come up.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I know it's going to be in there. That's what
• 24:32
  I brought it out. Tell me about something I've been
• 24:34
  wanting to ask you this because I consume everything you
• 24:36
  put out, so for me it's you know, I have
• 24:38
  my mind's a human algorithm of what you're saying too.
• 24:41
  But I'd love to know what is it that you've
• 24:43
  been thinking about lately that you can't put into a
• 24:46
  one minute, full minute video because you're apprehensive about the
• 24:49
  fact that people are just going to run in and
• 24:51
  you know, because you need more context. What have you
• 24:54
  been yes, what did.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I tell you that I don't want to write the article?
• 24:58
  We need six more months? This is or something fucking happened.
• 25:01
  I can't believe you just asked that rung up in
• 25:03
  the entire time. How many times I've ever told you, no,
• 25:05
  not yet, it's not ready. It happened yesterday for the
• 25:09
  first time. Oh wow, it almost never happens. Something I'm
• 25:12
  thinking a ton about which is a complete and utter,
• 25:16
  pot committed thesis of bottom up everything meaning test and
• 25:22
  learn MVP what how I see it is a complete
• 25:29
  and utter commitment to lack of fear. So what we
• 25:33
  were talking about, I'm in this mindset of like everything
• 25:36
  should be a pilot. You know, you and I are
• 25:38
  thought God, this is so meta. I just got done
• 25:42
  telling you how much I admire the fact that you're thoughtful,
• 25:46
  and now I'm about to tell you that you and
• 25:48
  I should put out new stuff every day that has
• 25:51
  no thought against it as a data loop back to
• 25:54
  the thought. Right, but therefore it's thoughtful, I think. So yeah,
• 25:57
  it's a mat I like you. That's exactly right. In
• 26:02
  the macro, the most thoughtful one can do, thoughtful thing
• 26:05
  that one can do right now in our society to
• 26:07
  take advantage of the Internet is to not think about output,
• 26:11
  put it out. You know what it manifested into. This
• 26:14
  is really back to like me living my dog food
• 26:16
  or eating my dog food. Last night, I put up
• 26:19
  my single worst performing Instagram post in the last five years. Right,
• 26:24
  it's called what if Wednesdays after the call of like
• 26:29
  saying yes, we're gonna tell the world in six months,
• 26:32
  this kind of pop pop concept we're telling them now
• 26:35
  obviously we've now made the commitment. This again me like
• 26:38
  completely contradiction of my own self. I'm giving it to
• 26:41
  you know, you right here. You know, we need to
• 26:44
  be more creatively brave. We need to take advantage of
• 26:48
  the Internet, the feedback loop. I knew that the piece
• 26:51
  of content wasn't gonna work. I'm creating this thing called
• 26:54
  what if Wednesdays And it's this idea that I love products, right,
• 26:58
  Baseball card, Cereal, why Sneakers. So we're gonna every Wednesday,
• 27:02
  We're going to post something on Instagram called what if Wednesdays?
• 27:05
  What if I made this product? The first one we
• 27:07
  posted was a former employee of mine, Tyler Babin. Actually
• 27:11
  Bobby Babin, who just went for this incredible thing at Adobe,
• 27:14
  just left our team. In an episode of Daily v
• 27:17
  like a year and a half ago, when really viral
• 27:18
  in my community. I was in an elevator with him.
• 27:20
  We were joking we put it on. It was in
• 27:22
  the vlog where I was like, let's make Bobby Babin
• 27:24
  beef jerky and I was like this whole hahaha thing. Anyway,
• 27:27
  we posted it last night. We posted it. It did
• 27:30
  a tri I've never had a piece of content not
• 27:34
  get ten thousand likes, like just like unbelievably poor. And
• 27:37
  I'm so happy because I'm living my truth, which is
• 27:40
  we now live in a world where people are so
• 27:43
  into growth, hacking the algorithm. You know, I think it's
• 27:45
  something that you're going to go through because I watch
• 27:47
  you and I'm like, Okay, that's working for him. I
• 27:50
  hope he. I can't wait for him to get to
• 27:54
  a place where he realizes that's great. But I need
• 27:56
  to be saying what I want to be saying, not
• 27:58
  what I know will work.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And I called it mains and sides. So for me,
• 28:02
  it's like I've always got my main, same thing, and
• 28:04
  I've got my sides, and I'm switching them all the time.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I called the same thing I called side dishes. I've
• 28:08
  called it navy seals to the army. I call it
• 28:12
  eighty five percent core, fifteen percent play.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I've said to everyone, so anyway, have one. Like I've
• 28:16
  always said to people, if I had seven formats that
• 28:19
  worked for me, I'd have seven videos and I'd keep
• 28:21
  re punchline and punchline.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I'm in the beginning process of putting myself in a
• 28:25
  position I wanted to do Q and A. I started
• 28:28
  a show called The Ascary V Show. I wrote a
• 28:30
  book called ascary V and now I'm able to do
• 28:33
  keynotes where it's thirty minutes keynote thirty minutes Q and
• 28:36
  A because I know I'm at my best with Q
• 28:38
  and A, because I can show my expertise, not my showmanship. Right.
• 28:42
  So I know that I'm in the beginning stages of
• 28:45
  putting myself into a place because something I've discovered about
• 28:48
  myself that I had no clue, and I mean no clue.
• 28:51
  I'm dramatically more creative than I realized, and I'm about
• 28:54
  to put myself into a place to be creative on
• 28:57
  a daily basis, to taste in an acceptance way as
• 29:02
  a side dish instead of a theory.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I love that, man, That's awesome.
• 29:07
  The one thing I've been trying to figure out with
• 29:08
  you as well, in which I think is such a
• 29:11
  thing that you balance so well you can call it
• 29:13
  a superpower if you like, is your ability. We talked
• 29:16
  about this earlier and sparked it now, your ability to
• 29:18
  not judge yourself, but to hold yourself accountable. And I
• 29:22
  think that that is such a scary thing for people
• 29:24
  because a lot of us don't judge ourselves, and then
• 29:26
  we don't do anything, or lots of us so accountable
• 29:28
  to ourselves that we don't give us space to do
• 29:31
  what you just said.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: You do now, so like I please.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no. So what I'm just saying is
• 29:35
  the action you just took yesterday shows the balance of
• 29:38
  the two.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: It's also it's just yes. And this gets into confidence,
• 29:42
  not ego. This gets into loving yourself and not being delusional.
• 29:46
  Look what I just did. It's also I literally told
• 29:49
  him for the first time ever, I'm not ready to
• 29:51
  tell the world about that, And twelve fucking hours later,
• 29:54
  I told the world about it. That is remarkably intriguing
• 29:58
  to me. Yeah, and I'm I'm just trying to find Look,
• 30:01
  this is actually fun platform to probably say this. Another
• 30:03
  thing I know that I'm going to start talking a
• 30:05
  lot more about is how much I don't think I'm right.
• 30:09
  I just know I'm right for myself, and I desperately
• 30:12
  want everybody to find what's right for themselves. There is
• 30:14
  no right like you know, especially you know a lot
• 30:17
  of people try to throw hustle, porn and all this
• 30:19
  stuff at me, and I'm devastated by it because I'm
• 30:22
  like fuck, because I use the word hustle and because
• 30:25
  of my energy. I mean, my first book, I outlined
• 30:28
  work thirty hours. This is about one big game of happiness.
• 30:31
  Yet people here seven pm to two in the morning,
• 30:34
  people are using my name to build up their profile.
• 30:37
  And I'm like, fuck, I don't want this right, this
• 30:40
  would devastate me if there's any confusion. And so, you know,
• 30:45
  I'm being very thoughtful because I have to respect it.
• 30:47
  I have to respect that, you know, even though I
• 30:49
  know they're using it to build up their profile. And
• 30:52
  it makes me so sad that people are falling for it.
• 30:55
  And it's like the reverse of like things that they
• 30:57
  make fun of or are mad at that are happening
• 31:00
  in society. I still have to be thoughtful about it.
• 31:04
  But yeah, I you know, like.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: The way I always took that from you was and
• 31:09
  I say this often too, it's just like it's work ethic,
• 31:12
  It's right, and there is no substitute for that.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: When I started using hustle and it became like it
• 31:17
  was just my version of work.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: At work ethic, your language, you know.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: But but.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And there's truth in it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I also probably the single loudest voice in entrepreneurship telling
• 31:28
  people they're not entrepreneurs. Yeah that's true, right, Jay, Like
• 31:32
  like like I don't know, like back to hearing things
• 31:34
  the way you reacted, This one hasn't necessarily been obvious
• 31:37
  to you yet, but I hope people hear it. I'm
• 31:39
  fucking I'm talking about self awareness.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, Like.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's incredible to be a number four. How
• 31:46
  about this. I sometimes fantasize about being a number four.
• 31:51
  It sucks being the number one. Everything's my fault. I
• 31:54
  met with two employees today. I want to blame their managers,
• 31:57
  but I know it's my fault because I hired their manager.
• 32:00
  So yeah, I mean it's it's uh. I think that
• 32:07
  one thing that I'm getting excited about is creating more
• 32:10
  context and clarity around my conviction and confidence in myself,
• 32:15
  which allows me to do what you just brought up.
• 32:18
  And now I want to start pushing it out in
• 32:20
  a way that allows people to do it for themselves.
• 32:22
  Here's my thing, and I always say this to you,
• 32:25
  So I'm glad. I was when we first started this podcast.
• 32:28
  I was about to say it again because I actually
• 32:29
  believe it, but I was like, now I always say it,
• 32:32
  and now I'm happy. I'm about to say it. You
• 32:35
  have crazy beautiful eyes.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Like the first time you said that to me was
• 32:40
  that I think it was the first time we met,
• 32:42
  and it was one of the most things I didn't know.
• 32:45
  I expect that from Gary.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: From you, but you did nothing to make that happen.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: True. I always say I contact credit for them. I
• 32:53
  said that all the time.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I don't take credit for anything. I am all my accolades,
• 32:57
  I'm like my parents. My circumstance. Ooh, Soviet Russia to America, ooh,
• 33:02
  the eighties, oh Jersey, oh oh, some form of learning
• 33:05
  disability that made me shitty at school like ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Right, uh,
• 33:12
  you know, by the way, not being diagnosed with the
• 33:14
  learning disability, which then either I'm right or I'm wrong,
• 33:16
  but it doesn't matter. I didn't have to deal with
• 33:18
  that pressure, especially in the eighties when it was a
• 33:19
  little bit more of like scary than it is now,
• 33:22
  Like what if I was what if I did? Maybe
• 33:24
  I didn't, probably not because they would have caught you
• 33:26
  get into all these circumstances. This is a big deal. Though.
• 33:31
  I'm sure that what I talk about is right for me,
• 33:35
  because I'm incredibly in tune with myself, and I'm an
• 33:38
  incredibly good communicator in a style that hits a certain group,
• 33:42
  which helps them get the insight to create affirmation, to
• 33:46
  create lack of fear, to try something, to start the process,
• 33:49
  to get to a happier place. That is a fucking blessing.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Now, I want people to figure out that things are
• 33:56
  right for them based on their luck, circumstance. What's their
• 34:02
  beautiful eyes. Yeah, yes, maybe they're not an entrepreneur because
• 34:06
  they don't lack they don't have incredible lack of fear,
• 34:10
  but maybe that they are incredibly compassionate, unbelievably analytical, remarkably competitive,
• 34:17
  incredibly gorgeous, wonderfully funny. Like, let's lean into what we're
• 34:22
  fucking awesome about. Everybody spending all their time but what
• 34:25
  they suck at? Yeah, themselves, they're doing that, And I
• 34:28
  promise you everybody else is spending all their time telling
• 34:31
  you what you suck at. I'm spending all my time
• 34:33
  thinking about what I'm fucking awesome at. Yeah, and I'm
• 34:36
  spending all my time trying to figure out what everybody
• 34:38
  else is awesome at. Some of it's very obvious, like
• 34:40
  beautiful eyes. Others are like, hey, you're a good fucking kid.
• 34:44
  Keep listening to me, you know, Like that's what's going on.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: But that's because of awareness of story. It's like we're
• 34:50
  all so addicted to watching other people's stories that we
• 34:54
  don't have a high awareness of our story and we're
• 34:57
  not telling ourselves like, well, you just explained all your
• 34:59
  connect from your past, your parenting to school. You've created
• 35:03
  the story up that fits you, that works for you
• 35:07
  because you could tell yourself a different story about that.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: But what also happens as you evolve into it what
• 35:11
  people don't understand about getting to a place of being
• 35:13
  happy with yourself. It starts giving you foundation to address
• 35:16
  what you're not as good at. Yes, honey, I took
• 35:18
  twenty years ago I couldn't speak to first I didn't
• 35:21
  know this about myself, But today I could speak to
• 35:23
  My lack of candor along the way is a shortcoming
• 35:27
  of mine as a manager. And over the last five years,
• 35:29
  Vyner's in a healthier place because I realized in my
• 35:32
  lack of being interested in conflict, I would hold it
• 35:35
  to myself, but then I would pull the rug from
• 35:37
  underneath you when I would fire you without giving you
• 35:40
  context along the way, even though my thing was like, fuck,
• 35:42
  don't you realize how shitty you're doing? But no, that's
• 35:45
  not your responsibility. You're in your own framework. That's not
• 35:48
  something I could say out loud ten years ago. Yes,
• 35:51
  but you can know one hundred percent because when you
• 35:53
  dig in and deep down, triple down on happiness, optimism,
• 35:58
  self love to a place where you get such into
• 36:02
  a good place that you can start putting your toe
• 36:04
  into your shortcomings. Yeah.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I so agree. So we're doing it the other way around.
• 36:09
  Majority people doing it the other way around.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: You're not in love with yourself, so you're not in
• 36:13
  a place where you can talk about your vulnerabilities. So
• 36:16
  what you do is you start calling out the vulnerabilities
• 36:18
  that you have in others.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, absolutely, And then and then it grows because
• 36:23
  the more you're meditating on other people's vulnerabilities, the more
• 36:27
  they even become yours. I've seen that sometimes when you
• 36:29
  keep talking about and thinking about and setting on someone else's,
• 36:32
  you start mirroring.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I just realized, I actually spend
• 36:35
  no time on judging people's shortcomings, only focusing on their strengths.
• 36:38
  I don't even have the capacity or the room left. Yeah,
• 36:45
  Radoff doesn't get feedback for me. We're doing our thing,
• 36:48
  and the feedback he got yesterdays you're ready for this, brother,
• 36:51
  I see it. You can do this right. This is
• 36:53
  a fucking metas shit, this is real. This happened yesterday.
• 36:56
  I've be't fucking talked to him in six months. He's
• 36:58
  writing for me. We're doing this thing, and what do
• 36:59
  you gets from me yesterday is you're ready for this.
• 37:01
  You could do better. Here's why I see it, and
• 37:03
  we can do better. And that's and I start with
• 37:05
  it's on me, and then it's fucking amazing. The fuck
• 37:09
  you're right. It's optimism, like why everything else is pessimistic?
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, And one of the best things I love about
• 37:14
  that is when you're all in on your strengths, you
• 37:16
  appreciate other strengths, But it also limits your envy and jealousy,
• 37:20
  right like when you genuinely start, you.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Know, keep going. In a minute, what I was about
• 37:25
  to say is it's the sick. I'm blown away by
• 37:28
  my inabilities on those two things, but.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I had to raise them because there's such big thing.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Let's go meta. Do you all pump him. Your podcast
• 37:35
  is ahead of mine, Jane Pink dead fucking serious.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I swear my fucking children's health. I go into the
• 37:42
  charts occasionally, you know, once every two weeks, because I
• 37:44
  like to stay on top of shit. And I look
• 37:46
  and I see you there. I'm like, motherfucker good those
• 37:48
  fucking eyes. But no, I mean it. It makes me happy.
• 37:52
  It makes me happy because here's my big thing. When
• 37:55
  it comes to things of that nature. If you don't
• 37:59
  have that gear, then you're not respecting the game that's
• 38:02
  giving you life. If I can't be happy for people
• 38:06
  who are winning in entrepreneurship and content, then I'm shitting
• 38:09
  on the game that's made me happy.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Total. I completely agree.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I'm so in love with you know what I've been
• 38:15
  afforded to be able to do that. I want everybody
• 38:18
  else who can do that too, to be better at
• 38:20
  me if they can.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the beauty I think for all of us
• 38:25
  who know that for me, the same thing back is
• 38:28
  this is an exchange, it's love, it's support, right, like
• 38:31
  we all know that, Like I've seen this for years.
• 38:34
  That collaboration has beat composition every time.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: And I know we know that Jay, there's also an abundance.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's so much. There's so much for everyone. Yeah,
• 38:44
  and I think we live we live in this world
• 38:46
  where it's like, oh, if I do this, then no
• 38:49
  one's going to follow Gary and Jay, which is not true.
• 38:51
  No one goes I follow Gary. I'm not gonna follow Jay.
• 38:53
  I will listen to.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I was. I was letting you talk as I'm trying
• 38:57
  to be more thoughtful about that. I I'm I literally
• 39:02
  was thinking in my mind as we were segueing from
• 39:04
  last part. Some of my favorite comments ever have been
• 39:09
  looking at my friends and seeing people write things that say, forbatim,
• 39:13
  hey let's use you. Hey Jay, And I'm trying let
• 39:16
  me give you a real example, maybe sye wakeman, somebody
• 39:19
  awesome is I just remember somebody leaving a comment when
• 39:22
  I was going to look at my friend to give
• 39:23
  them some love, like double tap or leave something. Literally,
• 39:26
  the comment that was above me, like I was writing comment,
• 39:28
  was like, hey, somebody, I don't want to make it up. Yeah,
• 39:31
  I used to listen to Gary Vee, but fuck that,
• 39:33
  Like you're so much better and the sheer happiness and
• 39:38
  it comes in a couple of ways it's actually back
• 39:40
  to double side coins, a abundance love, positivity, collaboration, b competition.
• 39:48
  You know, I was pumped for her and I was like,
• 39:51
  let me go back to the lab and make awesome shit.
• 39:53
  You know, like, if you can't respect the game that
• 39:56
  you're in more than what it brings to you, then
• 39:59
  I don't think you're an all t time player.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: And I think you see that all the time. And
• 40:02
  I and I know you've been getting into football recently,
• 40:04
  real football, yes, proper psychology, yeah, like soccer. And it's
• 40:08
  like for me, I know you've been getting And I
• 40:10
  look at that in Ronaldo and Messi who are compared,
• 40:13
  and I'm like, wouldn't be as great as they are
• 40:16
  if they didn't have each agree more right and more
• 40:18
  and and I believe in that the fact that they
• 40:20
  can both exist in the same world. And by the way, somebody.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Wins the game, yes, like Liverpool won yes the other day,
• 40:26
  Like that happens. And I think we need to be
• 40:28
  careful because we're being very foofy foofye here in a
• 40:31
  good way going Like we're talking about very positive, Like
• 40:34
  I think people get confused if you're back to don't
• 40:37
  take the words. Listen to what we're saying here. We
• 40:40
  are saying that there's ramifications. We are saying that there's
• 40:44
  winning and losing.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: We are there is hard, I know we are, But
• 40:50
  we're saying that without each other, they wouldn't feel that
• 40:53
  same fuel to keep going.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: And then you choose whether you want that fuel to
• 40:57
  keep going or you're gonna wallow in that fuel.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: And then just my favorite part is do you even
• 41:02
  want to drive that car in that fuel? Anymore?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: True?
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: When I tell you the great question in my life
• 41:07
  right now is while I wake up one day and
• 41:10
  go completely the other way, I think it's actually possible.
• 41:14
  And I smile with that because I don't know, and
• 41:17
  I can feel that I'm not forcing it, like like
• 41:20
  I would actually argue the other way, like I don't
• 41:21
  want to disappear. But if you told me that at
• 41:26
  sixty two, I woke up, sold off everything, and took
• 41:29
  a five year run of sitting in a cave in
• 41:31
  Peru and then came back at sixty seven, I would
• 41:34
  say to you, like, yeah, I can never see myself
• 41:38
  doing drugs. Yes, I can never see myself stealing money
• 41:42
  out of somebody's wallet. It's just impossible. It's not in
• 41:44
  my framework. I can see myself sitting in a cave
• 41:47
  in Peru for five.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I love hearing that. I love hearing that well.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Because I don't think anybody would believe that about me
• 41:52
  except people that get really, really really inside or look
• 41:56
  like you, which is disproportionately have intuitive superpowers. No, I
• 42:00
  really believe that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Like when I was eighteen, if anyone ever told me
• 42:03
  that I'd one day live as a monk, I would
• 42:04
  have last ed them and spanned their face. Yeah. So
• 42:06
  when I said, yeah, exactly, So when you said that,
• 42:08
  I was like, I literally was. I joined social media
• 42:12
  in twenty fifteen. Yeah, I get it, and it's like
• 42:14
  I wasn't. I never joined because I was among you know,
• 42:17
  this is this is a funny thing. Back to I apologize,
• 42:18
  but this will bring value to a lot of people.
• 42:22
  This is a game of best, not first.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People always trying to be first on the next platform.
• 42:27
  People ask me what's the next platform because they want
• 42:28
  to be first. They like I was slow to Instagram
• 42:32
  in comparison to Twitter. This is a game about best.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and for me it's a longevity. It's a longevity
• 42:37
  for me as well. Yeah, it's such a long game,
• 42:40
  and it's I think so many people get this bad
• 42:42
  feedback too. And I've had a lot of friends here this. Hey,
• 42:44
  you realize you're going to go to a three year
• 42:45
  Lifeline's right. I've had so many people hear that from
• 42:49
  people make the ready decision, from people that have never
• 42:51
  lived it. Yes, from people that have never lived it. Hey,
• 42:53
  you realized it's all happening.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: By the way, real quick, because the second time it's
• 42:56
  come up. If we get anything across in this episode,
• 43:00
  if you're like, please just pay attention to who's giving
• 43:02
  the advice. People say things to me all the time,
• 43:05
  like you've never built a business, carry you should do
• 43:08
  this with a intermedium, Like you're an inventor of fruit.
• 43:14
  Like I'm not telling you what fruits to marry, Like
• 43:18
  we have to have a better conversation. If you have
• 43:22
  two parents that were entrepreneurs and you want to aspire
• 43:25
  to be one of the great professors of academia, you
• 43:29
  got to be thoughtful that they're giving you advice as
• 43:31
  entrepreneurs vice versa. Many of us listening right now had
• 43:35
  parents that grew up in the Industrial Revolution and get
• 43:39
  a safe job and the rise of unions and like,
• 43:43
  and if you're dying to be an entrepreneur because you
• 43:45
  always sold lemonade and pencils and this is the great
• 43:47
  year of entrepreneurship and you want to do it. Your
• 43:50
  parent's advice has to be contextualized. Yes, they believe in safety.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, And that's what I mean by that, looking at
• 43:57
  things from a care angle and a competence angle, right, Like,
• 44:00
  you're gonna have people that they like my mom, Like,
• 44:03
  my mom does not care what I'm doing. She cares
• 44:05
  about has her son slept, has her son eaten, and
• 44:08
  has her son taking care of his health. That's what
• 44:11
  my mom cares about. She doesn't care about any awards,
• 44:13
  she doesn't care about the podcast. She doesn't care. And
• 44:15
  that's beautiful and I love that, But I have to
• 44:17
  take it for what it is that my mom cares
• 44:19
  about my mentor and physical well being. Yes, right, Like
• 44:21
  that's what she's an expert in. Yes, that's her expertise,
• 44:24
  that's her zone. That's what I should listen to her for.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, And that's what I'm taking right,
• 44:29
  How to textualize the advice and otherwise we argue with him.
• 44:32
  Sometimes you're like, Mom, you don't understand I'm working so hard.
• 44:34
  But it's like no, like take that, Like she can you.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Know what you're talking about? Right now? That I've that
• 44:39
  has I just realized been subconsciously on my mind. Another
• 44:42
  thing I'm thinking a lot about, which is like, and
• 44:44
  you start, It's amazing you started this podcast with it
• 44:48
  for a lot of nobody is for everybody, right, yep,
• 44:51
  nobody out there sharing is right for every one. However,
• 44:57
  most people that are resonating with a larger enough audience
• 45:01
  probably have something to add to you. Mm hmmm hm.
• 45:05
  And that's something I've been thinking about, like, how do
• 45:08
  I what's the thirteen percent of me that brings value
• 45:11
  to somebody on the other side who generally doesn't like
• 45:15
  me or like it right now? What's the five percent
• 45:18
  value that somebody can bring me that I don't see
• 45:21
  value in right now? It's not binary, and that might
• 45:25
  become a fun place to dig deeper into.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, no, I think is a fun thing. And
• 45:29
  I think, oh no, no, no, no, this is us being
• 45:33
  super polite. The thing that I've seen also is that
• 45:37
  we're constantly in that space. We take pressure from the
• 45:40
  room we're in. So if in a room full of investors,
• 45:42
  you walk out and go, crap, I need to invest, right,
• 45:46
  And you know, in a room full of Dalai Lamas,
• 45:48
  you'll be like, crap, I need to meditate, right, Like
• 45:50
  that's my point.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Like, and so you know what's funny about that? Tell
• 45:52
  me about this, Jake, because where I go in those
• 45:54
  scenarios is actually the other way.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's rare, That's what I'm pointing out.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Gone, no, no, nothing, Yeah, Because you were talking, I
• 46:01
  was like, that's so weird. When I'm in a room
• 46:03
  of investors, I'm selling Dalai Lama. When I'm in a
• 46:06
  room correct Dalai lamas, I'm selling investing.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: So I get that, I get that, and I talk
• 46:10
  about and that's actually them. T did an incredible study
• 46:13
  on this where they looked at connected thinkers, people who
• 46:16
  were able to take advice from people who didn't know
• 46:19
  each other. So we're not living in echo chambers. So basically,
• 46:21
  if you wanted to launch something, Let's say you wanted
• 46:23
  to launch a new app, you would take advice from
• 46:25
  Mark Zuckerberg and the Dalai Lama because that'd be fascinating
• 46:28
  for you, Madam, tell.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: You I'll tell you what's really interesting, because you're really
• 46:31
  getting me thinking here. One of the things that is
• 46:35
  extremely at the tip of my tongue is my ability
• 46:39
  to also take advice from my friend Rob Muse, who's
• 46:44
  you know, lives in Atlanta, or a nine year old
• 46:47
  kid who hasn't lived life yet. Like I really really
• 46:52
  associate actually more to the trenches than the experts. Yes,
• 46:58
  you know, Dolly and yeah yeah, But for me, it's
• 47:02
  like the user, the user, yea brother, It's all I got. Absolutely,
• 47:06
  I actually struggle with taking advice from Mark. My shortcoming
• 47:11
  is not taking advice from the Dali Lama sucks and
• 47:14
  taking Susan Kerensky's hot take the process.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: They all have different value, right for all have different value.
• 47:21
  Like it's I said the same thing with people are like,
• 47:23
  how do you not run out of things to say
• 47:24
  in your content? I'm like, because I'm talking to people, right,
• 47:27
  Like that's my number onswers. Because I'm talking to people.
• 47:29
  I'm listening. I'm listening. I'm listening to just people. I
• 47:32
  just read comments, man, Yes, same, I read comments.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: The last ten times I've gone to your Instagram, I've
• 47:36
  read comments and didn't watch what you put out. Yeah,
• 47:40
  that's real. You want to talk about weird shit that
• 47:43
  I'm sure most people aren't thinking about. That's that's an insight,
• 47:46
  there's a hot take, there's something you might want to
• 47:48
  build on.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, no, one hundred percent. And that's for me.
• 47:51
  It's like I'm having the conversation with a random person
• 47:54
  who's had a break up. I'm having the conversation with
• 47:56
  the RDOM person who's trying to start a business. Those
• 47:57
  random conversations are everything everything, Like, that's the first thing
• 48:01
  that I bring. What did we get to Let's do
• 48:03
  a little bit of a weird speed round.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Okay, didn't get.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Into We're in the end now anyway, So this is
• 48:06
  the final five we do at the end of the round.
• 48:08
  So this is this is our speed round. You already
• 48:10
  pretty well?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: What about what about final seven? What two things on
• 48:13
  the first part of the page or second? I don't
• 48:16
  feel like we're gonna get to do this many more times,
• 48:17
  so I want to push say that, yes we will.
• 48:21
  I'm just talking about like cool, a year will get jammed,
• 48:24
  you know, like, no, no.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely, Do you know what the funny thing is?
• 48:27
  We went onto all of this stuff organically without me
• 48:29
  even touching on it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Love. Something I really love about you? Thank you, You're welcome.
• 48:34
  Is I feel like I In the last year, I've
• 48:37
  realized why I like Star Wars. Star Wars was the
• 48:40
  only sci fi thing I followed as a kid. Uh
• 48:44
  and actually w w F wrestling. Right, These wrestling figures,
• 48:48
  these Star Wars things that are in my room and
• 48:50
  I finally hit it. They are very classic stories of
• 48:55
  good verse bad. I mean, Star Wars is just like
• 48:59
  Super or high level first Bad. But there's something that
• 49:03
  wrestling does and Star Wars does. I can't believe I'm
• 49:05
  breaking this down right now. I just had my thought
• 49:07
  on this. Wrestling has a very interesting thing where somebody
• 49:11
  good can become a bad guy and where somebody bad
• 49:14
  can become a good guy. Right, It's like, I don't
• 49:17
  know how many people follow wrestling, but like mancham and
• 49:19
  Randy Savage was my favorite wrestler. He was a bad
• 49:21
  guy when he came in, then he became a good guy. Right,
• 49:25
  the Dark Side versus the Force. If you've watched that series,
• 49:29
  you know it's a very fine line. You can feel
• 49:32
  like any moment, like right, you've got the established but
• 49:34
  like you kind of understand the course subject matter, Darth Vader,
• 49:37
  it's right there, right. I believe that you and I
• 49:43
  sit in the world right now. There's a lot of personalities.
• 49:46
  There's a lot of people talking about good and I
• 49:49
  don't believe the majority of them were actually good. And
• 49:53
  I think you are. And that's why I've always leaned
• 49:56
  in every time you've reached out.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, thank you, man.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Do you see what I'm saying? And how do you
• 50:02
  think about it? Because it's something I'm strong, I don't
• 50:06
  want to say struggling with because it's not true. I'm
• 50:11
  concerned that if some of the people are society and
• 50:14
  really our genre podcasters, instagrammers, YouTubers, personal brands, authors, speakers,
• 50:22
  if we aren't thoughtful about some people, that people are
• 50:26
  considering good but actually they're not good. They're selling things
• 50:30
  for the sake of their own personal financial growth. That
• 50:33
  it's a dangerous precedent. And I feel a sense of
• 50:37
  responsibility as somebody who sees it at the same token.
• 50:40
  I don't have the bandwidth to do the investigative reporting,
• 50:44
  to cross the t's and eyes so that I'm completely definitive,
• 50:47
  so that I can say fuck you Karen Thompson in
• 50:51
  a world where Everend's like, where the fuck did that
• 50:53
  come from? Isn't Karen Thompson awesome? And being right at
• 50:56
  the end, Yeah, now that I just all that, what
• 51:01
  are your random thoughts about?
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: You know why? That's so crazy? Because I just had
• 51:05
  breakfast with someone that we both know, who I won't
• 51:07
  say on the podcast, I can tell you afterwards. Who's
• 51:09
  telling me about just this. It's so crazy. Like, literally,
• 51:12
  I that wasn't even at the front he's saying. They
• 51:14
  were saying that this exists, you should be wary of it.
• 51:18
  What's your take on it? Like they literally yeah, literally,
• 51:21
  they're like this exists. And I was like, wow, and
• 51:23
  they've done the investigating work, like they've gone they've gone
• 51:26
  deep into the research of it. And because I was
• 51:28
  like I was also, you know, playing Devil's advocate, I
• 51:30
  was like, Okay, look, how bad is it?
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: You know, because we're optimistic and I want to I
• 51:34
  want to give people the benefit the doubt. My take
• 51:35
  on it is it's kind of like when companies started
• 51:38
  doing CSR or environmental work because they knew they had
• 51:41
  to write.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that's where you took it. I'm unbelievably
• 51:46
  cynical to businesses with purpose, Yes, because when I like
• 51:50
  because when I sit down with the founder, I leave
• 51:52
  with you're a piece of shit because you're using a
• 51:56
  cause to create commerce.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Totally nine out of time time. I see that all
• 52:00
  the time.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: It's in our world.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Brother, Yeah, and I think that what I look at
• 52:04
  and I think, this is what you've done, and this
• 52:06
  is what I really saw as powerful. And luckily the
• 52:08
  people I spoke to in my life always emphasized this
• 52:10
  was community first, right. It was always about community, it
• 52:13
  was always about family, it was always about people. And
• 52:16
  I think that we need to be careful. And I
• 52:18
  do agree with you. The investigation is important because I
• 52:20
  don't want to go out and start accusing and making
• 52:22
  allegations because that's not cool because I'm not even.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Good at publicly shitting on people who are clearly one
• 52:29
  hundred percent wrong. It's not my natural state, so to
• 52:32
  do it without the investigation, but it is happening, I'm glad. Yeah. Interesting. Anyway,
• 52:37
  I was curious about that because I do think you're
• 52:40
  in the ironically in the minority of pure good and
• 52:44
  I think and that doesn't mean you don't build a business.
• 52:48
  It doesn't mean you don't get paid to speak or
• 52:49
  write a book or do a ten city tour. Of course,
• 52:53
  there's just differences.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that comes back to intention. It
• 52:58
  starts there and it ends there.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: That's what look just to uncover a little bit more,
• 53:02
  just because it's being insightful. Like I've actually done a
• 53:05
  couple of things in my career where I've gone on
• 53:07
  people's platforms that I don't believe are good to sub to,
• 53:11
  like weirdly try to suck them out.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh I love it. I'm so glad you brought
• 53:15
  this up. So every time I get invited by a
• 53:18
  multi level marketing conference or an internet marketing conference or
• 53:21
  whatever you online marketing conference, I go and I talk
• 53:24
  about this stuff too. So I'll go on stage and
• 53:26
  they're expecting me to talk about social media strategy and
• 53:28
  how I get views and all of this stuff, and
• 53:30
  I'll subtext my my two stying lines. I did not
• 53:33
  build any of this to build a brand or a business,
• 53:35
  because I didn't. I just made content because I want
• 53:37
  and that helps.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: And this is where you and I are so fun
• 53:39
  as compliments, like a tag team. I go and start
• 53:41
  with do not buy anybody's products in the back room
• 53:43
  at this conference? Yea, And everyone's like, what the fuck
• 53:47
  just happened? And I'm like, what happened is I don't
• 53:49
  fucking believe in the bullshit. That's like I come and
• 53:53
  fucking try to like destroy Yeah. Absolutely, at conferences on
• 53:58
  on like interviews, I'm trying to be subtle because the
• 54:00
  person's interviewing you. So I'm like, all right, how do
• 54:02
  I stay in this well, how do I not get
• 54:04
  kicked out of this room? While winking to the audience
• 54:06
  of like get the fuck out of here? Yeah? Right, right, though,
• 54:09
  I've stopped doing that a little bit because right now
• 54:11
  people are not thoughtful enough, so you get direct attribution,
• 54:14
  and I think that is a vulnerability. So I say
• 54:16
  no to a lot of association.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the big message that's coming out
• 54:19
  here is please dig deeper. If you're listening or watching
• 54:22
  whatever you're listening and watching, please dig a step deeper.
• 54:24
  Don't be yeah, be thoughtful, be thoughtful, push beyond the obvious.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Just for example, once I make a decision like if
• 54:31
  I saw you on somebody's podcast that I'm like, oh,
• 54:33
  that's a dirty person. I would already assume that you're
• 54:36
  there to do that same thing.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: And I appreciate that. Yeah, we need to, we need to.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh Jim's here before we do. Oh yeah, Also
• 54:44
  this is great, Jim, did you do an updated.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Version perfect time?
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Is this an updated version or you couldn't find it?
• 54:49
  Or while there's dead air. I just want to say
• 54:50
  to everybody, I love you. I hope everything is good. Uh,
• 54:54
  one random thing, like it's been really working in my community. Uh,
• 54:58
  just call somebody you haven't talked to in two years.
• 55:01
  Just literally go to your phone right now, context hit
• 55:03
  the letter C, the letter F. You're gonna see somebody
• 55:05
  from high school, somebody that used to date and you're
• 55:08
  over it now. Like just literally call somebody, call, not text,
• 55:11
  call somebody and just say what's up. I hope everything's good,
• 55:14
  and like that's it. Like even if you can hang
• 55:16
  up after that, like get you know, like exercise, like eating,
• 55:20
  getting into practice of optimism and positivity and good matters.
• 55:25
  So randomly, just call somebody and hit me up on
• 55:27
  social let me know how it went. Like, but this
• 55:29
  is crazy. I do this once in a while in
• 55:31
  my world, Like people have called their father, a stranged
• 55:33
  father for fifteen years, their best friend that they just
• 55:36
  both got busy and now they're like back and their
• 55:38
  families are friends like this, it's crazy anyway, Jim.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So when we look through two hundred episodes, the
• 55:47
  words that were most common, most common verbs were no, think, go, want,
• 55:53
  make all cool, action, action, And then when you looked
• 55:57
  at word pairings, like what words you combine together the most?
• 56:01
  Love and work, mean and well, give and fuck, listen,
• 56:09
  I curse, new new in world and play and book.
• 56:14
  So yeah, now emotions top emotions, right, yeah, so if
• 56:19
  you go from from top to bottom, it's love, laugh, funny, appreciate, respect, passion, scare, inspire,
• 56:27
  and curious.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: To your point, you intuitively are able to interpret this.
• 56:35
  There's not a soul. One more time and emotions. Yeah,
• 56:37
  the emotions one more time, Yeah, one more time.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, emotions, love, laugh, funny, appreciate, respect, passion, scare, inspire,
• 56:47
  and curious.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: If you if you, if you pull a million people
• 56:52
  that have ever heard of me and dug in a
• 56:54
  little bit, nobody's even going to be. This is where
• 56:57
  I'm complicated. This is why I'm attracted to people that
• 56:59
  able to decipher it. This is how he Jim himself
• 57:02
  got his job here trying to get a job separately
• 57:05
  in vain or X. But I wanted him on my team.
• 57:07
  This is why I leaned into you. If one is
• 57:11
  emotionally intelligent enough with natural talent to have figured me out,
• 57:16
  I know their an incredible partner. Because I'm extremely difficult.
• 57:20
  Because for all the people listening right now that kind
• 57:22
  of know me, or have heard of me, or actually
• 57:23
  genuinely don't even love me that much. Laugh, love like
• 57:28
  that is not.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Love.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: That is not what happens with me. When I go
• 57:32
  on stage or when I'm recorded. What comes out is
• 57:36
  Macho Man, Randy Savage promo videos. What comes out is
• 57:39
  Chris Rock and Eddie Murphy. What comes out is other
• 57:42
  things that influenced me in the way that I communicate.
• 57:45
  When a camera is on me and you're still saying
• 57:48
  the same thing, it's just the way it's being said, really,
• 57:52
  and it's funny. I don't know if you guys saw it,
• 57:56
  I've seen this at all. Lately, out of nowhere, I've been,
• 57:59
  for the first time ever, thoughtfully trying to tone down
• 58:02
  my energy and my speed in communicating, not because of
• 58:06
  anything else out of pure curiosity. Back to what we
• 58:09
  were talking about testing stuff. It's been really fascinating. Just
• 58:13
  a ten percent off the pedal is just such a
• 58:17
  different thing in watching the audience consume it. Now, I'm
• 58:21
  gonna still go one hundred and fifty because it's just
• 58:23
  where my natural thing is. And again, when I go
• 58:25
  one forty, I'm missing that person who needs one forty seven,
• 58:29
  who almost nobody else right now can get to. And
• 58:34
  unfortunately the only people that can get to the person
• 58:36
  that's at one forty seven are the bad guys and gals.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got it, Absolutely got it.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: That's I have come to realize my place in this
• 58:46
  Avengers role is I'm gonna have to eat judgment from
• 58:50
  people I admire to get through to people that are
• 58:56
  only getting influenced by bad because the other goods don't
• 59:00
  have that one gear that I have, that cadence, that style,
• 59:05
  and I'm willing to deal with the ramifications to achieve
• 59:09
  the actual good goal.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: I love that, man, it's a great note. I love that.
• 59:12
  I'm not gonna add anything to that.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. This has been so much fun. We got
• 59:17
  We're gonna do the Final Five because I want to
• 59:18
  do it. The first question is I know.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Which sucks because that last sentence there would have been
• 59:21
  such a great way to everybody. We want the Final
• 59:26
  five even better?
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: We forgret Yeah you make it better? Yeah, okay, Yeah,
• 59:30
  this is the uh which I love that you brought
• 59:33
  up the Avenges because that's how I look at life
• 59:35
  and I look at being a part of the Avengers.
• 59:36
  So which Avenger are you? And why?
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I've never watched Avengers? No, I didn't know that you
• 59:42
  know that was coming. I don't know.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Wow, I know who?
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I think you the reason this is getting super triple meta.
• 59:52
  This is a very thoughtful podcast, I think. Yeah, I
• 59:54
  love this, I said it earlier. I may not watch
• 59:57
  JA content, but I read j comments. Yeah. Interesting, I
• 1:00:01
  don't I've not watched one Avengers film, but I know
• 1:00:04
  what people think about the Avengers and I understand the framework.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, I love the Avengers, so I know who I
• 1:00:09
  would too. Yeah, Robert Downey Junior, I am man. Really
• 1:00:12
  Yeah sounds cool because I know a lot he gets
• 1:00:14
  a lot of take I'd say it's probably ironically you
• 1:00:17
  guys work with him.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: We are you?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, anyone else.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: And is he the leader?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: And now spider And he can and he can rub
• 1:00:25
  people up the wrong way sometimes. That's why I said,
• 1:00:27
  like he has that ability. Like see he will cast
• 1:00:30
  off Captain America and they'll go off and form their
• 1:00:32
  own tribe and then hate him for a bit, but
• 1:00:34
  then they come back in the end.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: It's that kind of you know, the ability to push
• 1:00:37
  people up, push people the wrong way sometimes.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: So Spider Man's a new leader now Spider Man, is he? Yeah,
• 1:00:42
  that's what they're setting up. Really, but he's setting it.
• 1:00:45
  They're setting it up. Yeah, with this new film anyway. Nonetheless.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, so cool. I'm glad we got there, and
• 1:00:50
  I'm glad that you agreed. I want to hear what
• 1:00:52
  you think next.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Ron, think about it? Think about it? You tell me
• 1:00:56
  next time I see you. Yeah, think about it. Okay.
• 1:00:58
  Second question, you have a videos tied to the dumb
• 1:01:01
  stuff you buy owns you Yes, which I love.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: What is the dumbest thing you've ever bought? Great question,
• 1:01:09
  because people bought dumb stuff my current apartment in New
• 1:01:12
  York City.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Interesting, It made me super not liquid, made me miss
• 1:01:17
  out on investing in uber. You know, it's the dumbest
• 1:01:22
  in literal but it established my family in a neighborhood
• 1:01:25
  that I wanted to raise it, so it's obviously way better.
• 1:01:27
  But in the second level, you know, probably the dumbest
• 1:01:30
  thing that I've ever bought are the things that I
• 1:01:33
  didn't buy right right, like a vacation that I should
• 1:01:38
  have taken, which would have been a fruitful use of time.
• 1:01:42
  That's definitely it. You know, as I'm trying to be
• 1:01:44
  a little bit better in communicating regrets because I can't
• 1:01:47
  focus on them, but I want to talk about them
• 1:01:49
  because I don't want to make it seem like I'm
• 1:01:51
  not a human. I could have done a lot more
• 1:01:54
  balance of leisure fourteen to thirty because I worked every minute.
• 1:01:59
  I wish, and when you start with I wish, that
• 1:02:01
  is regret. I wish I had five to ten more
• 1:02:04
  memories in my twenties with my high school and college
• 1:02:07
  friends of going on those trips that everybody does. Like
• 1:02:10
  there's a very interesting clip of me where you can
• 1:02:14
  really see a manifest where I talk about like I'm
• 1:02:16
  not lucky like a bunch of kids. When I first
• 1:02:18
  started blowing up from high school and college would hit
• 1:02:20
  me up and like, yeah, you're so lucky. I was like, motherfucker,
• 1:02:22
  I'm not lucky when you went to the Jersey Shore
• 1:02:25
  every weekend. I work my ass off. It's not necessarily
• 1:02:27
  what I want to be talking about right now, and
• 1:02:29
  I'm trying to get the temperature of society. But it's
• 1:02:32
  a very big truth. So I would say that, Yeah,
• 1:02:36
  the dumbest things, the dumbest thing I ever bought were
• 1:02:38
  the things that I ended up not buying.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Love it awesome. Question number three, what's the worst advice
• 1:02:44
  you're hearing out there right now? That you want people
• 1:02:46
  to be more thoughtful about all of it?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Because it lacks self awareness, it lacks pushing people into
• 1:02:52
  self awareness, and it lacks context anything. All advice right
• 1:02:57
  now is a problem, including all of mine, because it's
• 1:03:01
  why I'm trying to make them make it about them.
• 1:03:04
  There's a lot of bad advice. Brother, Like, if somebody
• 1:03:08
  watches me and gets fired up to start a business
• 1:03:09
  and they're Schlamiel and can't do a business, they're going
• 1:03:12
  down a path of depression. If if they're a if
• 1:03:16
  they're a competitive, ambitious person, but they also went to
• 1:03:20
  high society education, and right now the push there is balanced,
• 1:03:23
  and like hard work is bad and we've become too
• 1:03:26
  much of Europe. Europe. I believe this by the way,
• 1:03:29
  Like that's bad advice for somebody because they're going to
• 1:03:32
  be depressed because they lean to move into current social
• 1:03:36
  you know, political correctness, and what they actually are is
• 1:03:39
  a dog and they just want to grind. But right now,
• 1:03:42
  grinding is bad. All advice is bad if you haven't
• 1:03:46
  deployed enough love for yourself and self awareness to understand
• 1:03:51
  what to pick off.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Great advice question number four, what's the one thing you're
• 1:03:54
  most proud of that I give more than I take?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Love it?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: And question number five, which I think is going to
• 1:04:00
  give you an opportunity to end off how we just
• 1:04:03
  ended off. The point before the final five is you
• 1:04:05
  talk about so much about the value of human life, yes,
• 1:04:08
  and how rare it is and how amazing it is,
• 1:04:10
  which I don't know if you know this, but it's
• 1:04:11
  like such a deep Vedic concept, which is like thousands
• 1:04:14
  so Vedic is like the philosophy that I studied.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: It.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: It's like one of the oldest philosophies of mankind and
• 1:04:19
  one of the biggest principles in there is about the
• 1:04:21
  value of human life.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Like the way I think about four hundred trillion correct, correct,
• 1:04:25
  It's helped so many people. By the way, out of
• 1:04:27
  all the pieces of content I've ever put out, something
• 1:04:30
  in it has penetrated.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: How does one get to like you when you hear
• 1:04:34
  when I hear you say it, When I look at
• 1:04:35
  the way I was taught it, when I look at
• 1:04:37
  the monks that I know live it, When I know
• 1:04:38
  people that really lived that. What was it that helped
• 1:04:41
  you really extratitude and live that? Okay?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Nice? It's my all I'm ever doing is trying to
• 1:04:48
  take empathy, gratitude, kindness, positivity, optimism and create repackaging for
• 1:04:54
  it in modern society to help somebody see it. Because
• 1:04:58
  life is one big game of person aspective. And if
• 1:05:01
  you've been raised by parents in an environment and have
• 1:05:03
  natural DNA that makes you look at something upside down,
• 1:05:06
  I've got to flip it. And when I say I
• 1:05:09
  got to, I have this enormous love and need for
• 1:05:13
  admiration that I've come to realize admiration will not come
• 1:05:17
  in the form of me making the most money. Admiration
• 1:05:20
  will not come in any other form than if I
• 1:05:22
  give so much more to you than I expect from
• 1:05:25
  you in return, I was gifted an ability of the
• 1:05:29
  gift to gap. I am creative, I understand attention graphs,
• 1:05:33
  I have work ethic, I have aspirations. All of that
• 1:05:36
  has created one big game where I feel responsibility to
• 1:05:40
  be able to get this message out in a way
• 1:05:43
  that won't get to people that can never become monks
• 1:05:47
  or that won't become disproportionately high educated philosophical. I'm in
• 1:05:52
  the trenches with my style, but it's the same fucking product.
• 1:05:57
  And so four hundred trillion to one was one way
• 1:06:00
  for me to get people to be like, do you
• 1:06:02
  fucking understand there's nothing any of us in this room
• 1:06:08
  will accomplish that is, even in the fucking galaxy of
• 1:06:11
  that we han't a chance to do something. Yeah, I
• 1:06:14
  just don't understand. What are you going to complain about
• 1:06:17
  today that is even remotely close to never having the
• 1:06:20
  ability to have a life. What what are you going
• 1:06:24
  to complain about? Like, what's so shitty in your life?
• 1:06:26
  Like you've got the app bet even if you're the
• 1:06:30
  worst ranked person seven point seventh billion in the world,
• 1:06:34
  you're born to slavery and genocide in a fifth world
• 1:06:38
  country where you're raped every day, starved, slaved, lose your parents,
• 1:06:44
  no love. The game of life actually still creates the
• 1:06:49
  rare potential for you to break out of that and
• 1:06:52
  go on to do something and then bring positivity to
• 1:06:56
  the world better than not being born at all. I
• 1:06:58
  believe that.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: So that love it man, Mike Drop, Thank you, Gary,
• 1:07:05
  thank you the best man.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: This is amazing.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: We all knew that this was going to be an
• 1:07:09
  incredible podcast, but that just blew the roof off. It
• 1:07:12
  was one of those It was such a revelation. And
• 1:07:15
  that's what I loved about this podcast that it wasn't
• 1:07:17
  a Q and A. It wasn't a thought person of revelation.
• 1:07:19
  I felt like you were revealing things as you reflected
• 1:07:22
  and introspected and more was brewing up.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Can I can I say one last thing? And I
• 1:07:26
  think might be funny hearing you say that. Yeah, what
• 1:07:28
  comes to mind is this is historically what I've done
• 1:07:31
  completely predicated on the respect I have for the other individual.
• 1:07:36
  When I've always been fascinated by a lot of people
• 1:07:39
  early on in my career. Is like you steamroll everybody.
• 1:07:42
  I'm because I don't respect them, or because I know
• 1:07:45
  what they're going to say, and I just have that
• 1:07:47
  ability to interrupt, which I'm trying to work on. Uh.
• 1:07:50
  You know, I revealed and wanted to go deeper because
• 1:07:53
  I respect you and more importantly, your audience. So I
• 1:07:57
  enjoyed it. Yeah, and my admins are looking at me
• 1:07:59
  crazy because everyone's freaking out. Let's get out of here.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Ben, Thank you Bro. Was amazing. Yeah, thank
• 1:08:04
  you man. If you want even more videos just like
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