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Killers Amongst Us: Petite genius disappears before Sunday wedding. What happened to Annie Le? (episode 2) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. When you
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Speaker 1: get out of your car and the parking deck or
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Speaker 1: the parking lot, or you step off the metro or
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Speaker 1: the bus, hop out of your uber and walk into work,
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Speaker 1: do you ever look around and think, who are these
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Speaker 1: people around me? Who's sitting next to me on the bus,
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Speaker 1: who's driving my uber, who's parking next to me? And
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Speaker 1: the parking deck. Usually most people don't. They're going about
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Speaker 1: their business, they're on a mission, and they don't really
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Speaker 1: want to think about the fact that a huge percentage
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Speaker 1: of people out there are either on parole or probation.
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Speaker 1: No one wants to think about the fact that there
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Speaker 1: are killers amongst us. What happened to Annie Lay absolutely
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Speaker 1: stunning young woman and a brainiac to boot just twenty
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Speaker 1: four years old. Take a listen to our friend Randall
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Speaker 1: Pingston CBS. Twenty four year old Annie Lee was working
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Speaker 1: on a PhD in pharmacology at the Yale School of Medicine.
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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, she left her office and walked four blocks
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Speaker 1: to her lab near the School of Nursing around ten
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Speaker 1: o'clock or surveillance camera captured her entering the building just afternoon.
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Speaker 1: There was a fire drill, but Lee wasn't seen. When
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Speaker 1: she did not come home Tuesday night, her roommate became
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Speaker 1: concerned and notified authorities. Just thinking about that confusion, with
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to break it down and
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Speaker 1: put it back together again. Former felony prosecutor now defense
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Speaker 1: attorney Darryl Cohen name partner at Cohen, Cooper, Estep and
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Speaker 1: Allen and you can find him at c CEA Law
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Speaker 1: dot com. Where now psychiatrists joining me out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold, you can find her at
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. And with us former police
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Speaker 1: lieutenant there in the jurisdiction where Annie Lay disappears, the
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Speaker 1: Newhaven Police Department, the senior lecturer and director of the
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Speaker 1: Center for Advanced Policing at the University of Newhaven and
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Speaker 1: worked this case. But right now, to Matthew Chase, investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter with Newsday, you know, Matthew, I was just thinking
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Speaker 1: about the confusion of a fire drill. I would be
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Speaker 1: so peeved at the District Attorney's office when a fire
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Speaker 1: drill or some kind of you know, practice drill would happen.
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Speaker 1: Not being able to see beyond my own case is thinking, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm being interrupted at this moment. Are you kidding? And
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Speaker 1: have to go out on the street or god for
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Speaker 1: a bid in a hotel in the middle of the night,
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Speaker 1: we have to go outside and wait around in your pajamas.
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about Annie Lay. I think she was
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Speaker 1: down in a basement abasement science area, chemistry, like a
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Speaker 1: lab sort it. That's how I imagine her and everybody
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Speaker 1: had to leave the building. Was it a real fire alarm?
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Speaker 1: Was there a fire or was this just a drill?
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Speaker 1: What was it? Matthew, you know, to be honest, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I know that the smoke alarm went off
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Speaker 1: and everyone in that building in Amistad exited the building,
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Speaker 1: But I don't think I ever found out if I
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Speaker 1: didn't either, and it may have been just a smoke alarm.
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Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio joining us form a Newhaven Police Department lieutenant,
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Speaker 1: What was the smoke alarm all about? Was there a fire?
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Speaker 1: So what she happened? There wasn't a fire. There was
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Speaker 1: a malfunction in a steam that if you would that
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Speaker 1: sterilizes equipment, and so what happened is the individuals that
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Speaker 1: were working on that had opened the hood too quick
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Speaker 1: and the steam came up and hit the fire alarm,
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Speaker 1: which caused an actual fire alarm to go off. And
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Speaker 1: so it was it was a legitimate alarm. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: you know, a drill or anything like that. Just there
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Speaker 1: was no fire. It had to do with all the
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Speaker 1: steam that was released in that particular room that sterilizes equipment.
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Speaker 1: And you're absolutely sure, Lisa Dandy O, Yes, absolutely, because
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Speaker 1: the first thing I would have thought to Daryl Cohen
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Speaker 1: is that whoever took any lay had set off the
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Speaker 1: fire alarm as a rouse to conceal her, somehow forced
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Speaker 1: her out of the building. Just something I would have thought.
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Speaker 1: It's just too much of a coincidence for the fire,
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Speaker 1: the fire alarm to go off, and then she's missing.
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Speaker 1: Pure Nancy is just like a magician. Don't see what
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Speaker 1: I'm really doing, because I'm going to take something on
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Speaker 1: the right, something on the left, something on the top,
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Speaker 1: and make you look at that and then I'm going
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Speaker 1: to do what I need to do. So it seems
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Speaker 1: to me that's exactly what happened, because that gives them
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Speaker 1: the cover of if you will, the cover of darkness. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right, And Doctor Angela Arnold, with everybody pouring out
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Speaker 1: of that building, it's so easy to be lost in
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Speaker 1: the crowd and then not spotted leaving. So that really
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Speaker 1: hurts the investigation because we don't really know from where
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Speaker 1: she disappeared, washing the throngs of people pouring out of
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Speaker 1: the building while she secreted out by it all with
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Speaker 1: a tiny little thing, wasn't she Oh gosh, yes, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't even five feet tall. She could have easily she
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Speaker 1: could have been mistaken for a child leave in the building,
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Speaker 1: very very petite. So at that point, Lisa daddy out,
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Speaker 1: what would be the first thing? We know? What? Let
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Speaker 1: me get get ahead of myself, because they have the
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Speaker 1: fire drill. Lisa daddy out, they did all go back
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Speaker 1: in the building? Correct, Yes they did, and at that
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Speaker 1: time did anyone notice whether she was there or not? So,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's it was a weird thing for us
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Speaker 1: because we saw also that the timing of the fire
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Speaker 1: alarm was all very suspect. We thought it was a diversion,
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Speaker 1: which caused us investigatively to really start looking at different
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Speaker 1: things because We really just had a hard time saying
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Speaker 1: there's no way that these two events, you know, Annie
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Speaker 1: going into the building and then you know, us trying
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Speaker 1: to find out what's going on where she is, and
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Speaker 1: then having a fire alarm all around the same time,
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Speaker 1: there's no way that they can't be connected. Well, I
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Speaker 1: kind of feel the same exact way, Lisa Daddio joining
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Speaker 1: US horror Police lieutenant right there in having police department
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Speaker 1: who worked this case, but seemingly cops are coming up
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Speaker 1: with no leads. Take a listen to our friend Kelly
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Speaker 1: Wallace at CBS News and Randall Pingston as CBS. On
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Speaker 1: her Facebook page, Sunday, twenty four year old Annie Lee
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Speaker 1: wrote less than one week till the big day, But
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Speaker 1: two days later, the Yale University doctoral student vanished. FBI
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Speaker 1: agents used dogs to search the building where she went missing.
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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, Lee was engaged to Jonathan Wadowski, whom she
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Speaker 1: met as an undergraduate at the University of Rochester. He
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Speaker 1: is in grad school at New York's Columbia University. They
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Speaker 1: were scheduled to be married tomorrow. Ironically, Lee had written
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Speaker 1: an article about security for Campus magazine, urging readers to
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Speaker 1: take precautions. All cities have their perils, she wrote, but
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Speaker 1: with a little street smarts, one can avoid becoming another statistic.
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Speaker 1: The FBI says there's no person of interest in the investigation,
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Speaker 1: but refused to comment when asked specifically whether Lee's fiance
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Speaker 1: has been ruled out as a suspect. Yello officials say
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Speaker 1: there's no reason to believe that any Lee is a
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Speaker 1: runaway bride. A runaway bride. All I can think of
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Speaker 1: is Julia Roberts. I can also think another woman. I
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Speaker 1: believe her name was Jennifer Wilbanks out of the Atlanta area,
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Speaker 1: who was a runaway bride and then tried to blame
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Speaker 1: being kidnapped for that. But long story short runaway bride.
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Speaker 1: Matthew Chase reported a Newsday you were the first person
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Speaker 1: to bring up that possibility. What would indicate yea or
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Speaker 1: nay on the runaway bride theory? I think the proximity
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Speaker 1: to the wedding. She's supposed to get married that weekend,
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Speaker 1: and her departure from New Haven or down to New
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Speaker 1: York was imminent, and it's just the timing. As far
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Speaker 1: as I know that she's supposed to get married, and
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Speaker 1: she goes missing. You know again, I just heard former
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Speaker 1: police lieutenant you have a police department, Lisa Daddy o' state,
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Speaker 1: it's really hard to believe that the fire alarm and
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Speaker 1: her going missing at the very same time or a coincidence.
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, I've long said there are no coincidences in
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Speaker 1: criminal law. She's supposed to get married and she vanishes
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Speaker 1: from her place of work in a lab. I mean,
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Speaker 1: how can that be a coincidence. I don't see it
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Speaker 1: as a coincidence. I see it as a possibility of
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Speaker 1: her being like this young lady from Duluke, Georgia, running away,
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Speaker 1: or someone who wanted her not to be where she is,
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Speaker 1: to extra the wedding, something like that. It could be
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Speaker 1: any number of things, and it brings up more questions
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Speaker 1: than it does answer. So that always bothers me because
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Speaker 1: of the more we have an answer, the more questions
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Speaker 1: that arise, and the more leads that you guys have
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Speaker 1: to follow. Run away Bright, Doctor Angela Arnold. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I remember the morning I got married at high noon,
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Speaker 1: like a shootout in the Old West, and I remember
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Speaker 1: we decided to get married on a Tuesday, and we
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Speaker 1: got married on Saturday. And I was trying to apply
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Speaker 1: hair and makeup on myself, not doing a very good job,
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Speaker 1: and for some reason, I ended up being almost two
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Speaker 1: hours late to my own wedding. And I got to
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Speaker 1: tell you, of course, it's the best thing I ever did.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie's married David and have the twins. But at
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Speaker 1: the time, I had been, let's just say, a lone
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Speaker 1: wolf for a really long time, ever since the murder
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Speaker 1: of my fiance, you know, just before our wedding Keith,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know that I was afraid. I just
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Speaker 1: didn't want to risk the same thing, anything even remotely similar,
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Speaker 1: happening again. And I finally got down to the venue,
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Speaker 1: I saw my dad and I went to him, and
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Speaker 1: then after that everything was fine, you know. And I'm
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Speaker 1: just thinking about this whole runaway bright If I had
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Speaker 1: had a horse to gallop off on, I may have
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Speaker 1: done it. I don't know. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: the whole runaway bride theory, Doctor Angie, Well, my thought is,
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's not forget everything that we've learned about
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Speaker 1: this young woman, and how I don't think you run
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Speaker 1: away from something when you are studying for your PhD
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Speaker 1: and something at Yale University, and it seemed that she
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Speaker 1: was very involved in that she had a lot of
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Speaker 1: a lot of research going on. And also she has
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with her love life, Doctor Angie, Well,
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Speaker 1: but it does have something to do with her stability.
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Speaker 1: I see stability is that where this is going. Well,
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Speaker 1: we can talk about that later, widely dodging the question. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I have to agree because it seemed to me, Matthew Chase,
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Speaker 1: I investigated a reporter Newsday, that she was very methodical
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Speaker 1: and well planned out. I agree, gosh with this coincidence,
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Speaker 1: the fire drill, the wedding, the next day she goes missing, Andrew,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, Matthew Chase, reporter Newsday brings up the possibility
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Speaker 1: of a runaway bride scenario. So who is the fiance?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Sharon Alfonsi, ABC News, along with
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Speaker 1: Annie's co worker Debbie Apuzo. Lee was supposed to marry
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Speaker 1: her fiance, Jonathan Wodowski, a graduate student at Columbia this
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Speaker 1: weekend in New York. He's an amazing kid, wonderful, wonderful boy,
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Speaker 1: and he just must be so heartbroken. I just kindot
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Speaker 1: imagine Thursday investigators come over the lab later sorting through
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Speaker 1: dumpsters looking for clues. Co workers can't understand how she
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Speaker 1: disappeared in the middle of the day. Look at all
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Speaker 1: the people, How could that happen? She has a little
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Speaker 1: tiny thing. But still, I mean, it's amazing, it really is.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty scary. We're just praying that she's just going
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Speaker 1: to pop up somewhere and everything's okay. We're not going
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Speaker 1: to look at the worst here. And still some say
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Speaker 1: the area around jail could be a very dangerous area.
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Speaker 1: In fact, Annie had written about it herself and the
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Speaker 1: University magazine earlier this year. She wrote, New Haven is
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Speaker 1: an area plagued with steps and frightening confrontations. But at
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Speaker 1: it with a little street smarts, you can avoid becoming
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Speaker 1: a statistic What about the boyfriend? Did he? I'm sure
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Speaker 1: becomes a suspect or a person of interest at the
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Speaker 1: very least to Lisa Daddio for a police lieutenant there
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Speaker 1: in New Haven Police, what about it? So yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: we did look at Jonathan originally early on in the investigation,
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Speaker 1: because of course, with anytime somebody goes in thing and
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Speaker 1: there's really none of it makes any sense, you start
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Speaker 1: looking at those closest to the victim as somehow being involved,
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Speaker 1: But we were able to rule that out pretty quickly
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Speaker 1: based upon where he was and everything was verified. So
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Speaker 1: like he had an alibi to not being anywhere around
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Speaker 1: or anywhere He wasn't even in the state of Connecticut
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Speaker 1: at the time that Annie went missing. Just thinking this through,
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Speaker 1: Is that correct, Matthew Chase, He had an airtight alibi,
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Speaker 1: so to speak. Remember, he goes to school in New York.
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Speaker 1: He's a student at Columbia. As Lisa said, he's not
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Speaker 1: in Connecticut, so he's you know, early on we heard
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Speaker 1: from folks from the police, from the FBI that he's
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Speaker 1: not a suspect at all. So placing yourself in a
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Speaker 1: completely different jurisdiction, he's totally ruled out. He can account
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Speaker 1: for his movements or can he take a Listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend Sharon Alfonse ABC. The wedding has now officially
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Speaker 1: been called off. About one hundred state and federal investigators
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Speaker 1: are looking for Annie. They're combing over her computer looking
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Speaker 1: for any clues. They're trying to figure out if this
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Speaker 1: bride to be got cold feet or if she was
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Speaker 1: the victim of a violent crime. They kind of a
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Speaker 1: violent crime right there in her labs. She had to
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Speaker 1: be secreted out somehow during that fire drill. But the
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Speaker 1: fire alarm was a result of a smoke alarm that
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Speaker 1: set off the fire alarm, and it's a document And
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Speaker 1: now it came from a steam valve under one of
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Speaker 1: the hoods in the labs. So was this perfect timing.
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Speaker 1: Still can't get away from the coincidence of it being
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Speaker 1: so close to her wedding. Back to Matthew Chase, reporter Newsday,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell us about her wedding plans? You know,
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Speaker 1: she actually blogged about the wedding quite a bit. She
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Speaker 1: wrote about it on Facebook. She was looking forward to it.
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Speaker 1: It was, you know, the big day was a couple
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Speaker 1: of days away. She would write on her blog on
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Speaker 1: Facebook about staring down at the ring when she was
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Speaker 1: distracted while she was at school. So this is something
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Speaker 1: that she was very excited about. They're supposed to be
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Speaker 1: on New York's Long Island. It was going to be
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Speaker 1: a nice venue. You know, this is something she's looking
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Speaker 1: forward to. I'm just thinking about who all any lay
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Speaker 1: would have come into contact with. I believe she took
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Speaker 1: the bus. I guess it was they said the school transit,
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Speaker 1: Lisa Daddy or was it the public transit. No, it
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Speaker 1: was Yale's transit, so it was definitely part of the university.
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Speaker 1: Would you have to show ID to get on? So
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Speaker 1: typically yes, the students do, or else anybody can use it. Correct,
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Speaker 1: So they would use their student IDs to the bus
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Speaker 1: driver in order to get picked up. It could be
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Speaker 1: a student, it could be an employee. It would have
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Speaker 1: to be somebody with a Yale University badge in order
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Speaker 1: to get on to the Yale transit system. Any Lay
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Speaker 1: born in San Jose, California. I grew up in a large,
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Speaker 1: very tight knit family. Valedictorian of a graduating high school class,
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Speaker 1: voted most likely to be the next Einstein by classmates,
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Speaker 1: she got one hundred and sixty thousand dollars in scholarships.
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Speaker 1: She got an undergrad degree in Sell Development Biology University Rochester,
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Speaker 1: New York, and it was there she met and fell
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Speaker 1: in love with Jonathan Wodowski. They were set to be married.
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Speaker 1: She was studying pharmacology and monitoring effects of various medicines
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Speaker 1: on mice. Now the campus laboratories were at ten A
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Speaker 1: Mustage Street. She went in that morning and apparently was
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Speaker 1: never seen alive again. When she didn't come home late
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Speaker 1: that night, a roommate reports her missing. Very interesting about
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Speaker 1: the timing of the wedding now called off and what
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Speaker 1: clues were left behind. Let's focus more on that fiance.
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Wadowski, a PhD student at Columbia, take a lesson
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Speaker 1: to Kelly Wallace CBS. Lee's fiance, Jonathan Wadowski, of PhD
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Speaker 1: student at Columbia, didn't return emails, but is reportedly in
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Speaker 1: New Haven helping with the search. Two of Wadowski's lab
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Speaker 1: partners at Columbia tell The Early Show Lee visited him
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Speaker 1: as recently as Friday night and that the two seemed
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Speaker 1: very excited about the wedding. His roommate tells The New
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Speaker 1: York Post. At the minute Wadowski learned Lee was missing,
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Speaker 1: he was on a train to New Haven. That he
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Speaker 1: was very distraught and worried. The timing is terribly cool.
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Speaker 1: The roommates set distraught, worried. You know what I find
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Speaker 1: very interesting to you? Daryl Cohen, veteran trial lawyer joining
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Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Daryl, typically when a
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Speaker 1: woman goes missing, you look at the husband the boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: the ex to live in, whoever's the male presence in
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Speaker 1: her life. If you look back at so many cases,
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Speaker 1: look at Scott Peterson, look at Chris Watts. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the name goes the list goes on and on. They're
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Speaker 1: not out helping with the search. There hold up somewhere
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Speaker 1: speaking through their rips. This guy we just heard from
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Speaker 1: Kelly Wallace actually travels to New Haven to try to
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Speaker 1: help with the search. And see, I'm troubled by all
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Speaker 1: of this. Here's a little girl, here's a woman student,
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Speaker 1: here's a fire drill here. How did she sneak out?
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Speaker 1: How did she get dragged out? Wouldn't that create attention?
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Speaker 1: And her boyfriend, excuse me, her fianceday. The fact that
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Speaker 1: they do or do not with the search, to me,
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Speaker 1: that's emotional, not physical, because there's not a lot he's
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Speaker 1: going to be able to do. But I think the
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Speaker 1: fact that he is helping shows that he does care.
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Speaker 1: But that doesn't rule him out. In my view that
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Speaker 1: just because you don't personally do something doesn't mean you
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Speaker 1: don't control what is happening. You don't control the circumstances.
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Speaker 1: But I'm very troubled as to how no one saw
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Speaker 1: her leave during the fighter drill, because well, I understand
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Speaker 1: that very well. Why nobody saw her. She's about four
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Speaker 1: foot ten. There are mobs of people trying to get
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Speaker 1: out thinking there was actually a fire. I can understand
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Speaker 1: that very well. But Lisa Daddio for a police lieutenant
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Speaker 1: new Haven Police about the fiance Jonathan Wadowski, did he
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Speaker 1: travel to New Haven to try to help. Yes, Jonathan did,
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Speaker 1: and he was there soon as he was notified. And
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Speaker 1: you know, he was incredibly distraught and wanted to help
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Speaker 1: out in any way that he can investigatably. Was important
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Speaker 1: because as mentioned, we also were thinking maybe this is
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Speaker 1: a runaway bride situation. We did think that in the beginning.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean about that? What did you observe?
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Speaker 1: So he was, he was upset, he was emotional, he
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Speaker 1: was frantic trying to reach her. M A thousand scenarios
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Speaker 1: were playing out in his head, and he was providing
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Speaker 1: us with as much information as he can as to
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Speaker 1: when he last heard from her, and actually even saying
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Speaker 1: that it was so unusual for her for him to
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Speaker 1: have go on so many hours without speaking to her
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Speaker 1: on that Tuesday, that she was never seen again and
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Speaker 1: but again he never thought that there was anything wrong.
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Speaker 1: He just thought that she was so busy because she
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Speaker 1: was supposed to be leaving um the very next day
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Speaker 1: to go down down to Long Island to start getting
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Speaker 1: ready for her wedding. So he just thought, hey, you know,
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Speaker 1: she's she's just things are just very very hectic. I know,
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Speaker 1: I'll hear from her soon. And then that turned into
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Speaker 1: being contacted later that night that nobody had heard from her,
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Speaker 1: nobody had seen her, to him coming up as soon
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Speaker 1: as he could to meet with investigators to provide them
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Speaker 1: with as much information as they can. I mean, he
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Speaker 1: was just frantic about where she could possibly be. Lisa Daddy.
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Speaker 1: Were there cameras on the school bus that she took
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Speaker 1: to get into work. There was one, and so you
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Speaker 1: know it did show her getting on and getting off.
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Speaker 1: So is anybody following her at that time? No, there
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Speaker 1: was nobody following her at that time. There was nobody
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Speaker 1: following her when she left her office building, nobody following
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Speaker 1: her when she was walking down the street, and then
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Speaker 1: when she had gone into ten Amistade. There's obviously cameras there,
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Speaker 1: but it's so busy because everybody's in and out. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: obviously there's people going in, but they also have to
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Speaker 1: have university IDs. You can't just walk in because it's
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Speaker 1: a research laboratory. And so I mean, I know you've
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Speaker 1: watched the movies, Lisa, because you know someone can. I've
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Speaker 1: even done it myself without really trying. Somebody can throw
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Speaker 1: their key card and you just go in on their coattails,
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Speaker 1: just follow right out behind them. So that means nothing
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Speaker 1: to me, even I with very little effort. My thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old children can do it. Follow somebody in, get
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Speaker 1: under the gate, going through somebody else's key card. So
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Speaker 1: while I love a key card evidence to track movements,
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Speaker 1: I also know that you can get on a bus
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Speaker 1: or go into a building that's key card requisite very
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Speaker 1: easily without a key card. You just got to be fast.
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Speaker 1: But the fact that no one's following her you can
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Speaker 1: kind of track her movements. Then through various surveillance videos
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Speaker 1: you could see her are walking into the building. It
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Speaker 1: abstad Yeah, we were able to see that, And you're right, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I mean, anybody can obviously slip, and we've all done it.
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Speaker 1: And so if somebody wanted to do something, they easily
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Speaker 1: could have blended in with the stream of people that
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Speaker 1: were walking into the building around the time that Anny
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Speaker 1: was also walking in or walking out. And plus, while
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Speaker 1: you know, typically it's Yale University personnel in the building,
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Speaker 1: they also have outside vendors coming in. They have people
24:37
Speaker 1: salespeople coming in. They have you know, service technicians or
24:43
Speaker 1: you know, anybody that is coming in to fix a
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Speaker 1: copy or for example, where they don't obviously have a
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Speaker 1: university ID, but they're supposed to have some type of
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Speaker 1: identification in order to gain access to those key carded areas.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about this fiancee, what do we know? Did
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Speaker 1: he have any girlfriends? Had he exhibited any angst about
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Speaker 1: the wedding Lisa, No, not at all. Honestly, there was
25:08
Speaker 1: nothing that was indicative of that with Jonathan. We you know,
25:14
Speaker 1: obviously those tough questions were asked, and of course anybody
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Speaker 1: can cannot be truthful about it, but there was nothing
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Speaker 1: giving investigators kind of that little that sixth sense if
25:24
Speaker 1: you would, that you know, something he's saying just doesn't
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Speaker 1: make sense. We really were focusing more on her being
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Speaker 1: a runaway bride on the early partying investigation, never thinking
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Speaker 1: that she, you know, something bad had happened to her initially,
25:40
Speaker 1: Like so that first twenty four to forty hours, we're
25:43
Speaker 1: against still treating this almost like a missing person, runaway
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Speaker 1: bride type of thing, not that there was fall play involved. Pector.
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Speaker 1: Matthew Chase, investigatory reporter with News Day. You know, the fiance,
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Woudowski, is investigated in every way possible. What if
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Speaker 1: anything was learned about the fiance, a PhD student at Columbia,
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Speaker 1: certainly nothing that would indicate that he was capable of
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Speaker 1: harming his fiance. You know, he's a obviously a great student.
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Speaker 1: That two of them had met up in Rochester where
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Speaker 1: they were undergrads. He's in New York at the time
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Speaker 1: that she goes missing, as Lisa said that Annie and
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Speaker 1: Jonathan were in New York, constant contact. So you know,
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Speaker 1: just the sort of stuff that you'd hear about, you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of an average guy. Nothing, nothing to miss, nothing
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Speaker 1: that would indicate that he would, she would or you know,
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Speaker 1: could be a suspect in this. Oh, you know what, Matthew, Matthew, Matthew,
26:49
Speaker 1: my poor sweet naive Matthew Gerald Cohen. They say that
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Speaker 1: about every man that kills his wife. We didn't seek.
26:57
Speaker 1: I mean, they were so in love, how can they
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Speaker 1: be because they confuse love with luz had lust disappeared
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Speaker 1: after normal husband wife relations. So look, all of us
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Speaker 1: can be an actor from If your wife isn't listening
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Speaker 1: right now, well my wife does not exist, so she's listing.
27:19
Speaker 1: He's listening for far far Yes he's single, Jackie. Now
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Speaker 1: you know, doctor Angie. Who ever really believes that a
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Speaker 1: spouse is capable of killing the other? If you go
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Speaker 1: to their friends, they'll say, no, way did this happen?
27:35
Speaker 1: He didn't die. I agree with you, but I'll tell
27:38
Speaker 1: you something, Missy. In this case, the guy wasn't even there.
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Speaker 1: He was in New York. It's just okay, okay, you're
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Speaker 1: letting the facts get in the way of my theory.
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Speaker 1: Be not there. I accepted, I accepted, I accepted. It
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Speaker 1: just seems they were a happy couple. You know, in
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Speaker 1: my world, that's really hard to take in. But actually
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Speaker 1: I think you're you're very close to the truth. Guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends. Sharon al Fans. ABC
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Speaker 1: investigators say they still don't know if Lay, who was
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Speaker 1: supposed to get married today, was the victim of a
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Speaker 1: violent crime or just got cold feet. But friends say
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Speaker 1: she's not the type to run off. That's very out
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Speaker 1: of character. She would not do it this way, like
28:22
Speaker 1: she would be very straightforward and tell her family and
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Speaker 1: friends and John especially friends say Jonathan Wodowski, Lay's fiance
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Speaker 1: is heartbroken and worried sick outside his family's Long Island home.
28:36
Speaker 1: Wedding gifts waited the doorstep nearby to local florists. They
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Speaker 1: are still hoping for a happy ending. This was Annie's bokaeting,
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Speaker 1: which is made today, which we always make brids bokay
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Speaker 1: the day before, which is hoping she's found safe. One
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Speaker 1: thing makes me cave in to Daryl Cohen, doctor Angie Arnold,
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Speaker 1: a Sadaddio, and Matthew Chase. Matthew, what can you tell
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Speaker 1: me about the location of Annie's purse and cell phone?
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Speaker 1: She leaves that stuff in her office and goes to
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Speaker 1: walk to this lab a couple of blocks away where
29:16
Speaker 1: she's last seen on surveillance video going into this building.
29:22
Speaker 1: So left behind her purse and cell phone. And that
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Speaker 1: tells me she's not a runaway bride, because if she
29:30
Speaker 1: was on the run, she would take that purse and
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Speaker 1: cell phone. Right now, I'm just thinking about what the
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Speaker 1: local florist just said. They've got her wedding bouquet ready
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Speaker 1: and waiting on her. Where is Annie Lay Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Killers amongst us, signing off goodbye friend,