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Saga Book Club #13 - Spectators · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

0:02
Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody! Welcome back to the Saga Book Club on 22 Panels, except that we ran into a problem.
0:11
Tad Eggleston: We ran out of Saga.
0:13
Tad Eggleston: So, we had to… we had to figure out what to do while we were waiting for Brian and Fiona to come back again.
0:21
Tad Eggleston: And… and thankfully, Brian… Brian wrote this really cool book a couple years ago that, Nico Henriken
0:30
Tad Eggleston: illustrated, called Spectators, so we're gonna talk about sex and violence.
0:36
Tad Eggleston: Which, I mean, is pretty much what we talk about when we're talking about Saga, too. So, I mean, it's… it's not that big of a jump.
0:43
Matt: But that is the two main themes of the book.
0:46
Tad Eggleston: They really are. I mean, I, I think…
0:49
Tad Eggleston: The inside flap says, in this unconventional ghost story for adults, a pair of voyeuristic spectres discuss sex and violence and the very different ways we watch the two.
1:01
Tad Eggleston: Which…
1:04
Matt: If you're a ghost, what else is there to do?
1:07
Tad Eggleston: It does pretty much, pretty much, wrap it all up.
1:16
belle price: I mean, those dick-sucking Roombas don't work when you're a ghost, so there really isn't.
1:20
Tad Eggleston: I mean…
1:20
belle price: What a dude.
1:22
Tad Eggleston: Yeah…
1:23
Marisol: Which is unfortunate, honestly.
1:25
belle price: I, I…
1:26
Josh Eiserike: I believe the term is HERC?
1:33
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, what do they call it?
1:34
Marisol: Is that Herky Jerky?
1:35
belle price: Yeah!
1:42
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, first round of thoughts from everybody is I'm still blitzing through the end again.
1:49
Tad Eggleston: I'm certain I'll be able to talk when we get to anything about the end, but I feel like listening to you guys talk about it.
1:57
Tad Eggleston: Well, I read.
1:59
Matt: In my… in my humble opinion, it's not Brian Kevon's best work.
2:05
Matt: like, if I was… if someone said, hey, recommend me 5 books from Brian K. Vaughn, I don't think this one would crack that.
2:12
Matt: recommendation list?
2:17
Josh Eiserike: I would, I… I may be the… the outlier here. I…
2:23
Josh Eiserike: This might be… okay, let me, let me back up. If somebody's like, recommend me Brian K. Vaughn, this is not the one that I'm going to give to them.
2:32
Josh Eiserike: But this might be my favorite.
2:35
Josh Eiserike: Whether it's his best… That is a tall, tall, tall mountain to climb. I think the…
2:43
Josh Eiserike: I think the, the jury is still out on Saga, because we are, what, like, two-thirds of the way through? Three-quarters of the way through, something like that?
2:54
Josh Eiserike: But for whatever reason.
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Josh Eiserike: And maybe this says more about me than it does the work. And by the work, I mean spectators, Brian and Nico's work.
3:04
Josh Eiserike: My wife, for her comfort food, will just watch The Office over and over and over again. This is, like, one of two or three graphic novels that if I've just had a bad day, I'm just gonna go read it again, and it's… it's going to just delight and entertain me.
3:22
Matt: I can see that.
3:25
belle price: I think
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belle price: it was a lot more sex than I was expecting. For a book called Spectators, It Makes Sense to go with the voyeurism ploy, like, that made sense as, like, from, like, a writing standpoint, and from, like, a play on words standpoint, like, it all made sense to me.
3:41
belle price: I talked to Dad briefly before this, I said it was very Brian K. Vaughan, right? Like, the sex and violence made sense. I didn't read the inside flap, I read the online version. And I also said that I liked the kind of colored, pencil-y watercolor art style. I think it took… I think if it was done
3:56
belle price: in a more crisp art style, it would have, made the seriousness of the sex and the violence feel a little too serious. So I think I like how the art didn't take itself too, too seriously while still conveying all of the detail it needed to to get the story across.
4:09
belle price: I actually really enjoyed the artwork in this story, too. I tend to like a bit of a looser art style.
4:15
belle price: But, yeah, the commentary and the conversation, I like the cowboy character especially, and what he brought to the story, Sam.
4:24
belle price: But, yeah, those are my off-the-bat thoughts.
4:28
Matt: I like how the leaderboard people are, like.
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Matt: representative of capitalism, because the dude's gotten the Mickey Mouse hat on, and then the other guy's got the Spider-Man mask on.
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Matt: Thought that was a kind of fun little,
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Matt: fun little, I don't know if it's an Easter egg, but, you know, a nice way to represent.
4:50
belle price: Symbolism.
4:51
Matt: Symbolism, thank you, yes.
4:52
belle price: You're welcome.
4:55
Josh Eiserike: Well, and Lee, you haven't, you know, obviously, you haven't given your overall thoughts, and I definitely want to hear that, but I did want to interject.
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Josh Eiserike: for me, and it's interesting, I didn't think of it that way, for me it was just, like, just how childish these killers were.
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Josh Eiserike: more than anything, it's like, to them, it's just a game, because they're like little boys. And Marisol, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
5:21
Josh Eiserike: I'm sorry, I just see Lee sitting there nodding. Marisol's got her, Camera off.
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Josh Eiserike: I have a lot of other thoughts on Leaderboard, but I'm gonna shut up now and let others.
5:34
Lee Woods: I have thoughts, but Marisol, please, I'd love to hear your thoughts here.
5:37
Marisol: Thank you.
5:39
Marisol: I agree with Bill, it was a lot more…
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Marisol: sex in the comic than I was expecting.
5:46
Marisol: Funny enough, I read this at work today.
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belle price: So did I. So did I!
5:55
Matt: Siri, not safe for work, I love it.
5:58
Josh Eiserike: Incidentally, there are two job openings now.
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Marisol: There you go.
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Marisol: But I was reading through it, and again, I also do love the art style and how…
6:11
Marisol: All the ghosts are in color, but everything else in the world is black and white for them.
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Marisol: That, I thought, was really cool to do, where
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Marisol: I guess not normally, but you would think that, you know, the dead, the ghosts, would be the ones in black and white instead. But since they're the main focus, that's where it makes sense that the color is.
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Marisol: And the people they interact with are also all in full color.
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Marisol: So that I liked a lot.
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Marisol: And the, the hashtag leaderboard people, they… from the first one I saw, it…
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Marisol: Gave me very much, like, School shooter incel vibes.
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Marisol: Like, oh, I've heard about people exactly like this, who think exactly like this, and want to act exactly like this.
7:05
Marisol: Mmm. So that part was just a little uncomfy, just because of the
7:10
Marisol: The real-life comparison to what we have.
7:14
Marisol: And the fact that it continued throughout the years?
7:19
Marisol: Is insane to me.
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Matt: purse.
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Marisol: Cause… I assumed that when we first started,
7:28
Marisol: the book, When We Meet Fel.
7:30
Marisol: Her name was Val, right?
7:33
Marisol: Okay, just wanted to make sure I wasn't making that up.
7:36
Marisol: When I first meet Val, I…
7:41
Marisol: Don't know if they ever said the year?
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Marisol: But I took it to be, like, our modern day.
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Marisol: Or somewhere.
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Tad Eggleston: They didn't, but they did say that the theaters had just reopened, and they were all in masks.
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Matt: Yeah, this is, like, just post-COVID, I assume.
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Marisol: Very, yeah, very 2020s.
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Tad Eggleston: wearing that.
8:01
Marisol: And to see that that… group.
8:06
Marisol: survived.
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Marisol: All the way into the distant future, where, like.
8:12
Marisol: We have flying cars, we have weird little transport cube things.
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Marisol: And, you know, the fashion's weird. Things are crazy now. It's, it's so… insane. That's something that…
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Marisol: I'd want to say…
8:31
Marisol: I don't want to say old school, because that feels not the right word, but something so…
8:39
Marisol: in the context of the story, dated, I guess, is a good enough term.
8:44
Marisol: still persists.
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Marisol: And I mean, I guess for me, that was like a…
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Marisol: This is one of those things that just never goes away. It dies down, but it never goes away.
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Marisol: Regardless of how the world changes, how society changes, it's always gonna be… Simmering in the background.
9:10
Marisol: And seeing all the gore was crazy, too.
9:13
Marisol: Like, somebody set off a nuke.
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Marisol: And nearly started, what, World War I, they say?
9:21
belle price: Yeah, the video of the, sorry to interrupt, but the video of the… when the two kids are watching the video of the guy teach how to make… teach them how to make an atom bomb?
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belle price: I was like, I really hope the world never comes to this, because that is the scariest thing ever. I was talking with a friend.
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belle price: of mine about the implications of AI, and how, like, you know, some random Joe Schmo could, like, pay for ChatGPT+, and, like, if they have the right means, could make, like, a bioweapon, and how terrifying that is. So the fact that people are like, hey guys, today I'm gonna show you how to make a nuclear weapon! It's like, ugh, like, that makes me feel icky.
9:53
Marisol: Oh, The real-world implications for that are horrifying.
10:00
Matt: Yes. I wonder, I wonder if Brian K. Vaughan has seen the movie, Cafe Flesh.
10:08
Matt: Because this whole spectator thing has a very Cafe Flesh vibe to it.
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Marisol: What is that?
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Matt: It's an… it's an old cinematic porno, where there's nuclear holocaust, and some people are sex-negative, they can't have sex or they'll die, and other people are sex-positive, but the sex-positive people who can get forced to work in clubs performing for the people who can't.
10:35
Marisol: Oh, jeez.
10:36
Matt: Yeah.
10:39
Josh Eiserike: I'm glad you brought up movies, this reminded me of a couple movies, neither of them were at that, which now I'm morbidly curious about.
10:48
Matt: The only reason I know about this movie is because Rob Zombie samples…
10:53
Tad Eggleston: Because you watched it over and over and over, because…
10:56
Josh Eiserike: Because you walk…
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Tad Eggleston: Listen to the video.
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Josh Eiserike: store to find out how to get away from this movie.
11:00
Matt: No, Rob Zabi sampled part of Cafe Flesh, on More Human Than Human, so…
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Josh Eiserike: Oh, that one I've seen. That one I've seen.
11:12
Josh Eiserike: I was just gonna say, two movies that, to me.
11:16
Josh Eiserike: And I'm gonna go all film school here, before Sunday…
11:19
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't… I don't… I don't know, Matt. It's 1982, that seems like just dead on for you, isn't it?
11:25
Matt: 82, I was… For… 6, 7? No, that's way before my time.
11:34
Matt: questions.
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Tad Eggleston: I just assumed you were precocious.
11:36
Matt: Yeah, well, you know.
11:39
Josh Eiserike: I saw what your kids did there.
11:42
Josh Eiserike: I was just gonna say, to me, this is… this is before sunrise meets rare window, but in the future.
11:47
Tad Eggleston: Yeah?
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Josh Eiserike: with, like, those are the two I'm reading, and I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's that.
11:56
Tad Eggleston: Though, though it takes place over more than a night, it just kind of feels like that sometimes.
12:02
Josh Eiserike: For sure, but just, like, the fact that, like, there's actually very little conflict, and it's just two people kind of vibing together over a.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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Josh Eiserike: and connecting, and very, very much a strong thematic statement on voyeurism and how we, and, you know, not to spoil the end of the comic, you know, are just watching sex and violence. And that's all we're into.
12:28
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
12:36
Tad Eggleston: I think… I think everybody hit… I'm a big fan of this. I… I…
12:42
Tad Eggleston: I think, actually, one of the reasons that… that I'm not done with my reread is… is that, if anything, I,
12:53
Tad Eggleston: have been taking it slower than I have on my other reads, which wasn't how I expected to take it, like, on the clock, getting ready for…
13:02
Tad Eggleston: But I'm… but I'm noticing little things. But, yeah, I mean, it's, it's… It's such a commentary.
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Tad Eggleston: I mean, the black and white is, like… A too real future.
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Tad Eggleston: And… and the color is such a commentary on… What actually matters to us.
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Tad Eggleston: You know, the things that they talk about are real. The violence and the sex…
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Tad Eggleston: Are… are the action things and the things that they build the… the other things around, and…
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Tad Eggleston: Both meaningful and not, all at once, if that makes sense.
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Tad Eggleston: Because both violence and sex are somehow things that, that, that…
14:05
Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's almost like Schrodinger's violence and sex. Like, if you see it on TV or in the movie, it's not real, and if it happens to you, it's very real. So in your head, it lives in this, is it real or is it not?
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Tad Eggleston: Continuum that's… that's amplified by the fact that… that… they… are incorporeal.
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Tad Eggleston: In their present states. So to them, even the memories of when it was real are just that. They're memories. They're not things that they can experience again.
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Tad Eggleston: But then, I really think, to me, and, and… It's…
15:01
Tad Eggleston: it's one of the reasons I like this, because I'm one of the handful of parents that I've ever known that looks at sex and violence in media this way.
15:14
Tad Eggleston: and I loved that he actually also, like, stated it in two panels in the middle. He said… she said to Sam, my father had zero problem letting me watch dozens of innocent people get slaughtered.
15:29
Matt: Yeah, the Terminator references, yeah.
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Tad Eggleston: A single tasteful scene of two consenting adults making love, an act that, spoiler alert, is the catalyst for the entire goddamn story.
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Tad Eggleston: was what? Forbidden?
15:47
Tad Eggleston: And that's one of the things that…
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Tad Eggleston: I've always wondered about in terms of how our… our society treats violence and sex to begin with. Like, I've always been more wary of
16:02
Tad Eggleston: the violence that my kids… I mean, they're adults now, they get to decide on their own, but I was more wary of the violence that my kids got to consume, and more cognizant of making certain that I was there with them to talk about what was real, what wasn't, blah blah blah.
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Tad Eggleston: Because I… I hope to God that that's not something that they need to prepare for.
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Tad Eggleston: you know. Whereas, like…
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Tad Eggleston: even when they were young, I was cognizant that sex was gonna be part of their lives someday. I mostly wanted it to be. You know, if they'd been asexual, or one of them had wanted to be a priest or a nun, you know, I wouldn't have…
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Tad Eggleston: Prevented them from being that, but, like…
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Tad Eggleston: That, you know, so it's so weird to me that we don't want our children to experience
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Tad Eggleston: Think about, talk about… Sex in any way.
17:01
Tad Eggleston: But, like, bring on the machine guns.
17:09
Josh Eiserike: It's a very American point of view, what you're bringing up, I feel like in my… in all my experiences overseas, other cultures are like, oh, no, we can't show the violence, but yeah, here, you know, just enjoy, topless and, you know, men walking around, and… no big deal, it's part of life.
17:26
Josh Eiserike: And then, you know, it's… to them, like some of my European friends, very odd.
17:34
Lee Woods: Yeah, this is where I… yeah, definitely, I resonate with the story about, like.
17:41
Lee Woods: the watching movies. So, like, fun fact, I was very, my parents were very selective in what movies I could watch. Anything violence, R-rated.
17:51
Lee Woods: No filter at all.
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Lee Woods: But anytime there was a sex scene, I had to leave the room.
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Lee Woods: No matter how old I was.
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Lee Woods: And it was just…
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Tad Eggleston: Even now?
18:01
Lee Woods: Even now! No, I…
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Tad Eggleston: Even now, it's like, it's like, you, you… Lee!
18:07
Lee Woods: Just, like, I feel like.
18:08
Tad Eggleston: Close your eyes!
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Lee Woods: I instinctually just get up and walk away during sex scenes, it's weird. I've been conditioned.
18:15
Lee Woods: But, no, for this book…
18:17
Tad Eggleston: It was really weird when you took the date to Fifty Shades of Grey, wasn't it? When you just kept getting.
18:22
Matt: Walking out of the theater.
18:24
Lee Woods: I don't know, like… But yeah, this…
18:30
Lee Woods: I think I said it before, so I don't think it's any news that I fucking love this book.
18:36
Lee Woods: it was one that I expected to go, like, kind of chapter by chapter, as it were, and I ended up starting reading at, like, 10.30, 11 o'clock at night, and could not put it down until I've
18:45
Lee Woods: like…
18:47
Lee Woods: Until I fell asleep. Like, it was just, like, that. Even though I was tired, I was nodding off, I sat back up and kept reading it. And…
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Lee Woods: it was very reminiscent to me of, like, a Tyler Perry movie.
19:00
Lee Woods: very humorous, very insightful.
19:04
Lee Woods: Very sad, very somber.
19:07
Lee Woods: And… at least for me, when I did the first, sort of, read-through of it, was just like.
19:13
Lee Woods: You already had me hooked, like, with this idea of, like… not to sound too, bad here, but…
19:22
Lee Woods: The school shootings, the mass shootings, the gun violence, which is a very important topic to address.
19:30
Lee Woods: And especially within the sort of American culture.
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Lee Woods: And to tie it into… Sex, like, this idea of…
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Lee Woods: especially in certain communities, certain societies, how taboo it is. Like, how do you talk about sex? What can I say? What shouldn't I say? Et cetera, et cetera.
19:47
Lee Woods: And it was so interesting, just in terms of not just…
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Lee Woods: culturally speaking, how we address it, but also at the individual level, like, even in this group here, how do we address it, right? Are we more okay with showing and experiencing, somebody firing a gun versus
20:07
Lee Woods: intimate sex scene, right? So…
20:12
Lee Woods: it has psychological principles dripping all throughout it, which I'm sure I'll get into, but the fact that, to me, it…
20:19
Lee Woods: it was two very, very important conversations, and the way that Brian and Nico really sort of explored that, I thought was very…
20:30
Lee Woods: very artistic, very fucking creative, just a way to… I didn't even think about what y'all said until, like, the coloring, how the real world, in quotes, is black and white, but then the ghosts, incorporeal people wearing color. It's like, yeah, I'm like, they are the main show, the real world is the background.
20:49
Tad Eggleston: Well, and I love that they incorporated the fact that that was real.
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Tad Eggleston: He was old enough that he'd never seen a movie in color, because by the time color movies were being made, he was…
21:01
Matt: Ben.
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Tad Eggleston: A ghost, and therefore, he wasn't caught.
21:05
Marisol: me sad for Sam, honestly.
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Tad Eggleston: Right.
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Marisol: This entire, like, I guess, film, life.
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Marisol: Has been black and white, and now the whole world is black and white.
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Tad Eggleston: Well, except the other ghosts.
21:21
Marisol: the ghosts.
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Tad Eggleston: he can'.
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Marisol: Still, manual fashion.
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Tad Eggleston: can't touch him.
21:26
Tad Eggleston: But yeah.
21:31
Tad Eggleston: No.
21:32
Marisol: I did not know what I expected going into this book, but I… I do… Love it.
21:37
Marisol: I opened it up on the PDF you shared, Tad, and I'm like, okay, how is Brian gonna hurt my feelings today?
21:48
Marisol: How is he gonna damage my emotions?
21:54
Lee Woods: Well, I think that's the part where, like, for me, the part that grabbed me
21:59
Lee Woods: wasn't necessarily the sex, like, funny enough, I feel like I can understand the sex component throughout the book, that sort of thematic…
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Lee Woods: Approach, but what interested me was the… Mass shooting.
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Lee Woods: Or, like, a game.
22:16
Lee Woods: Right?
22:16
Marisol: Yeah.
22:17
Lee Woods: I think that was the part that was most interesting to me, that captivated me, because to some degree, and I know that…
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Lee Woods: There's been some data that suggests that whenever a mass shooting happens, that it's recommended and encouraged
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Lee Woods: For the press not to name
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Lee Woods: The perpetrator. To not name them.
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Lee Woods: Right? To not give them… any sort of credence to the act.
22:42
Lee Woods: So the fact that, like.
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Lee Woods: with this sort of scenario that BKV has really illustrated, well, Nico as well, has illustrated, it's like, now it's not just a, hey, see me for who I am, right? Going back to that sort of red pill, incel, whatever, manosphere, whatever it's called now, but this idea of.
23:03
Lee Woods: hey, how can I top the other guy? Right? And it's very much like… Yeah, and that.
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Marisol: This is the craziest part for me, too, is, like.
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Marisol: This group, they're all trying to beat each other's high score.
23:20
Josh Eiserike: Sadly, that's real.
23:22
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
23:23
Marisol: Yeah.
23:24
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I mean, there's already some evidence of that.
23:28
Tad Eggleston: I'm really, like, I found myself…
23:33
Tad Eggleston: those… you guys all know me pretty well, so you know that I…
23:37
Tad Eggleston: I'm always piecing together things from different places.
23:41
Tad Eggleston: And particularly as we go back to school, one of the things that caught my attention recently this week is…
23:49
Tad Eggleston: There's a book coming out this… September from one of…
23:55
Tad Eggleston: It's an Atlantic story, let me see if I can pick… pull it up even.
24:00
Tad Eggleston: From one of the people who used to…
24:06
Tad Eggleston: work a lot with Jonathan Haidt, who…
24:10
Tad Eggleston: Either last year or the year before.
24:16
Tad Eggleston: Wrote the book, essentially blaming Cell phones for… the… the youth… Mental health crisis.
24:32
Tad Eggleston: which was adopted ridiculously fast by massive numbers of schools, went from having relatively lax cell phone policies to… to…
24:43
Tad Eggleston: to… Relatively serious ones, like, all but overnight.
24:51
Tad Eggleston: They just completely bought… Bought into it.
24:59
Tad Eggleston: I think it… in a lot of ways, because A, People have been looking for… a… a single…
25:11
Tad Eggleston: reason, and B… Teachers have been annoyed by cell phones, For a long time.
25:20
Tad Eggleston: But… But one of…
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Tad Eggleston: the social scientist that had worked with hate before has a book coming out this year that he got a half-million dollar advance for, essentially arguing it's not cell phones at all.
25:38
Tad Eggleston: And for that matter, this is where the backstory that I should give is that, like.
25:44
Tad Eggleston: one of the big things that Haight and this other guy were…
25:50
Tad Eggleston: best known for was, was, like, having…
25:59
Tad Eggleston: being, what's the word I'm looking for?
26:08
Tad Eggleston: The… the need for unstructured play?
26:13
Lee Woods: Hmm. Okay.
26:14
Tad Eggleston: That, that part of…
26:16
Josh Eiserike: Talking about the anxious generation?
26:19
Tad Eggleston: Probably.
26:20
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Huh.
26:21
Josh Eiserike: I think that was his previous book.
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Tad Eggleston: So…
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Tad Eggleston: like, that's one of the things that the… I'm desperately looking for the story, and it's gonna wind up turning out that it's, like.
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Tad Eggleston: New Yorker, not the Atlantic, but, you know, but anyway, that, that…
26:49
Tad Eggleston: that the… by banning cell phones, you were essentially doing the same thing. It was, oh…
26:56
Tad Eggleston: we're worrying about you, so we're taking away your decision-making process, your ability to learn about, you know… But then he turned and just blamed it on…
27:06
Tad Eggleston: Common Core. So again, looking for that one thing that only affects kids over the time.
27:12
Tad Eggleston: So particularly, a lot of the younger, social scientists.
27:19
Tad Eggleston: And I would be willing to bet you've got more neurodiversity in that group as well.
27:26
Tad Eggleston: Have immediately been… been… been jumping on…
27:32
Tad Eggleston: Couldn't it also be that there's more stress in… What if it's not the phones?
27:40
Tad Eggleston: From Caitlin Tiffany is essentially the article that I… and, like, any mistakes are mine. Peter Gray was the name of the scientist… psychologist.
27:51
Tad Eggleston: But a lot of the younger psychologists are going, well, first, like, the fact that it's one cause is probably wrong. It's probably a lot of things. And second, like, one of the biggest… biggest things that causes more stress in youth is more stress in their parents, and we've got income disparity, and we went through…
28:12
Tad Eggleston: We went through the… the… Financial… you know, the kids…
28:17
Tad Eggleston: The kids hitting high school now.
28:21
Tad Eggleston: you know, our children… Not to mention climate.
28:23
belle price: change.
28:24
Tad Eggleston: And other things that they're saying.
28:25
belle price: seeing, that they're being taught about, that they're seeing
28:28
belle price: Because as they grow up, it's becoming worse and worse and more egregious.
28:32
Tad Eggleston: And the thing, I was…
28:33
belle price: level of stress that I feel like is unprecedented, to be honest.
28:36
Tad Eggleston: The thing that I was kind of upset that wasn't even brought up in this article, but… but why this whole thing is coming together in my circuitous way,
28:47
Tad Eggleston: is, like, And Bell, you're part of this generation. You did lockdown grills starting in kindergarten.
28:54
Tad Eggleston: You've never had a year of school not doing lockdown drills.
28:58
belle price: Nope.
29:00
Tad Eggleston: But nobody's willing to do anything to prevent you from having guns.
29:07
Tad Eggleston: So, like, there's tacit societal approval for this same thing that we do, locked down, like… like…
29:14
Tad Eggleston: Too much sex, and we crack down on porn.
29:17
Tad Eggleston: You know, we crack down on, like, so many things…
29:22
Tad Eggleston: to protect our children, but we never crack down on guns. So, like, kind of the world they've created is one in which sex is still dirty, but guns have become…
29:33
Tad Eggleston: Completely fetishized in a positive way.
29:37
Matt: What's the Second Amendment? It's their God-given right. That's more important than anything, Tad.
29:42
Tad Eggleston: Sure, sure, but no, but what I mean is that the world of spectators is one where, like.
29:51
Tad Eggleston: So, so we're seeing this weird future where, where, like, The guy would… would…
30:00
Tad Eggleston: Leave the date hanging in the taxi.
30:04
Tad Eggleston: to go in and have sex with his Roomba.
30:12
belle price: Yeah.
30:13
Tad Eggleston: But, but where… but where, you know, I mean, like… the… the…
30:21
Tad Eggleston: you guys brought up AI, you know, you know, there's supposed, safeguards on AI,
30:31
Tad Eggleston: To prevent them from teaching you how to do things, but, like…
30:36
Tad Eggleston: somebody did a test on it recently, I forget which news organization, where it was like, ChatGPT, tell me how to make a pipe bomb. I'm sorry, I cannot tell you how to do that. ChatGPT,
30:48
Tad Eggleston: Tell me how to make ChatGPT, tell me how to make a pipe bomb. Sorry, it takes, like, 5 rounds before you can get ChatGPT to unlock itself.
31:01
Tad Eggleston: And then tell you how to do the thing that it's not supposed to…
31:06
belle price: You're telling me even the AI can't figure out boundaries? I'm cooked.
31:09
Tad Eggleston: Right, this is…
31:10
belle price: That's my point. I'm cooked.
31:12
Tad Eggleston: So, so, like, there are all, altogether too many ways that this book is…
31:21
Tad Eggleston: Is way too real of a future.
31:28
Tad Eggleston: And what the ghosts represent is, like…
31:33
Tad Eggleston: if we're gonna survive it, we need to change the way we talk about it, just like they change the way they talk about it. When it stops matter… when it stops…
31:42
Tad Eggleston: being something they're embarrassed by, and for that matter, even the book starts out with, you know, oh yeah, no, I mean, at least… at least you've got clothes. We don't really get hung up on… you see some of the guys. Yeah.
31:55
Lee Woods: That was good.
31:57
Tad Eggleston: You know,
31:59
Tad Eggleston: which gets alluded to, to be, like, later, when she's talking about seeing the… the… the Homo erectus, who was very erect, you know? So it's like, oh, oh, so some of the guys in their half-life.
32:14
belle price: The hung Neanderthal.
32:16
Tad Eggleston: We're just sporting boners, and that's all they get to walk around with now.
32:24
Matt: I, I've liked… I really appreciated the…
32:29
Matt: Choice of attire was from the midpoint of your life.
32:32
Tad Eggleston: Right. But the exact midpoint of your life.
32:35
Matt: Yes, yes, and I'm like, why would it be the midpoint?
32:38
belle price: Half-Life.
32:39
Tad Eggleston: Half-Life.
32:40
belle price: from a science perspective, that actually kind of makes a little bit of sense. Like, if you're gonna… if you're gonna die, right?
32:46
belle price: I mean, quite literally, half of you is gone. The half of you that is physical is gone.
32:52
belle price: So, if you're going to tell a story.
32:55
belle price: from this perspective of only the soul, to me, I was like, oh, I can accept that immediately. I was like, oh, cool, I love Half-Life, I'm teaching.
33:02
Tad Eggleston: Well, and I…
33:03
belle price: about half-life. I did an hour-long tutoring session about half-life the other day.
33:06
Tad Eggleston: Right. I mean, I love that they talked about there being scientists on this side.
33:12
Matt: Yeah.
33:13
Tad Eggleston: The scientists on this side have figured out…
33:16
Marisol: Teddy Roosevelt was an investigator.
33:20
Tad Eggleston: Right.
33:20
Josh Eiserike: I love that detail, and I love that Roosevelt, like, shows up later in the.
33:27
Marisol: Yes.
33:27
Josh Eiserike: They, like, name-dropping. Here was my question on this reread, and maybe I missed it.
33:33
Josh Eiserike: If it's Half-Life, why aren't there a lot more kids?
33:37
Tad Eggleston: Well, because there's also not everybody stops there.
33:42
Matt: Right.
33:42
Josh Eiserike: Correct.
33:43
Tad Eggleston: And they can choose to move on. I think…
33:47
belle price: to stay for.
33:48
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think kids would be more likely.
33:50
Matt: To watch the Sacramento Islands!
33:52
Josh Eiserike: Well, but…
33:53
Tad Eggleston: Except that they wouldn't even understand it.
33:56
belle price: They miss their parents.
33:57
Josh Eiserike: 20U would be 10.
33:59
Tad Eggleston: Well, no, I get that. But we don't actually see… I mean, you'd have to look really carefully at some of the ghost clo…
34:07
Tad Eggleston: the ghost… Crowd scenes to be able.
34:10
Josh Eiserike: Sure.
34:11
Tad Eggleston: absolutely that there aren't more kids. There is, at least the shoeshine boy.
34:16
Josh Eiserike: Right.
34:17
Tad Eggleston: So, so, I mean, there probably are some, but… But also, there's.
34:24
belle price: she doesn't hang around the children, even in the real world, so we could assume, based on that, she's not going to hang around children ghosts, either, because they likely
34:31
belle price: uncomfortable. She might have something in her own…
34:34
Josh Eiserike: But a child ghost would still be mentally somebody in their late teens or even early 20s.
34:40
Matt: Yup.
34:40
Tad Eggleston: Right.
34:41
belle price: Yeah, but, like, with a lot of people, too, what you see is what you get. So, like, I don't know, would you feel comfortable talking to a ghost of an 11-year-old that's really…
34:49
Marisol: It's the optics of it all, I think, too.
34:51
belle price: Yeah.
34:53
belle price: Yeah.
34:54
Marisol: A little weird.
34:55
belle price: becomes questionable.
34:57
Lee Woods: Oop.
34:58
Marisol: a bit.
34:59
Lee Woods: Even thinking about that, right, this is sort of an interesting question to bring up.
35:04
Lee Woods: Because… even now, I mean, we just brought up earlier about our culture, right? Our society.
35:12
Lee Woods: Having a 8, 10, 12-year-old Talk about sex and mass shootings, or violence, for that matter.
35:19
Lee Woods: Like, how comfortable…
35:21
Lee Woods: is as philosophically, like, sound as I love this book on, and it touched on all those important topics.
35:30
Lee Woods: And it's like, that kiddo, because I call kids kiddos, is…
35:38
Lee Woods: I… I felt uneasy, just like, man, I don't know…
35:43
Lee Woods: if I would want to, one, have that conversation, but the two is that some kiddos have that life.
35:49
Lee Woods: Sex early, raped, whatever, molested, say, and then…
35:54
Lee Woods: seeing, like, gang shootings. Hello, Chicago! Welcome, belle, by the way.
36:00
belle price: No, there were literally two men boxing in the park the other day. It's… I've gotten my welcome, anyway.
36:04
Lee Woods: Hell yeah.
36:06
Lee Woods: But it… Yeah, at least… that I wonder if that was a strategic choice
36:13
Lee Woods: as uncomfortable as BKV likes to make us, even that was a bear.
36:19
Tad Eggleston: And I'm literally just flipping through right now.
36:24
Tad Eggleston: Wasn't there one where they came across two kids on top of a dome?
36:32
belle price: Yes, the two pilgrims.
36:35
Tad Eggleston: So they came across two kids on top of a dome, and they actually followed them down into the subway.
36:42
Tad Eggleston: So, so, there are those two kids.
36:47
Tad Eggleston: like, they were filled.
36:49
belle price: pilgrims, too. That was cute.
36:51
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, if you look at… The big two-page spread, as everybody's going.
36:59
Lee Woods: Yeah.
37:00
Tad Eggleston: A lot of these characters, it's not, you know, they're not fleshed out.
37:09
Tad Eggleston: But I'm seeing at least…
37:15
Tad Eggleston: At least 5 of the fleshed-out ones.
37:18
Tad Eggleston: that I'm pretty certain aren't 20.
37:24
Tad Eggleston: So I wonder how much of it is they didn't do it, and how much of it was our brains wouldn't allow us to look for it.
37:32
belle price: Yeah.
37:33
Tad Eggleston: Because, like, I just had to look for that. I'm like, is that true? I'm sorry, Josh, that's another one of my autistic brain things, where it's like.
37:42
Tad Eggleston: That could be true, that makes sense that it would be true, but is it true? Let me go look!
37:47
Tad Eggleston: Hmm.
37:49
Tad Eggleston: Best way would be to find the handful of places where you actually have a lot of…
37:56
Tad Eggleston: A lot of the dead at once.
38:01
Josh Eiserike: For me, it would have been, and I don't want an explanation as to why people move on and why some stick around.
38:08
Josh Eiserike: But that was the big question.
38:11
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
38:11
Josh Eiserike: Because otherwise, I mean, from, like.
38:15
Josh Eiserike: My brain was going to, like, well, in old days, like, so many babies died.
38:21
Josh Eiserike: Right. During birth.
38:23
Josh Eiserike: And, like, did they get to live as ghosts? Like, where's, like, the talking, you know, Roger Rabbit reference? Baby Herman, like, you know, who's, you know, died, but, like, you know, got to stay… like, obviously that's not the story that would be very silly.
38:37
Josh Eiserike: And again, I don't even want the explanation, because I think it would…
38:42
Tad Eggleston: I do have a theory.
38:44
Josh Eiserike: Yes.
38:45
Tad Eggleston: Because they seem to be able to choose… When to go on.
38:51
Tad Eggleston: And because there appears to be something else, whether that something else is just final peace, or…
39:00
Tad Eggleston: another plane of existence. I think it has less to do… with…
39:10
Tad Eggleston: Any sort of reckoning, or even any sort of, like, personal whatever that they have to work through, and more has their curiosity been sated?
39:20
Josh Eiserike: Mmm.
39:23
Tad Eggleston: are they still interested in what this universe has to offer? Then they'll stick around and keep looking, and that also would be a…
39:34
Tad Eggleston: Like, fascinating explanation in terms of why so few of the people who die of
39:41
Tad Eggleston: violence, particularly the mass violence, wind up sticking around, because I gotta imagine that if you're… if you're going through, like, the Val's experience where she's still curious immediately after being
39:55
Tad Eggleston: Shot multiple times.
39:56
Matt: Here's…
39:58
belle price: out of curiosity.
39:59
Tad Eggleston: the opposite of most people. Most people are like, oh god, I'm so…
40:03
Tad Eggleston: so done with this fucking world that this thing that was a news story that I hated, and tried to ignore, and whatever, for 20 dec- er, 20 years, 40 years, whatever, I am now a statistic. Fuck this all.
40:22
Josh Eiserike: Yeah, I would… I would want to go walk out to Pluto.
40:25
belle price: That's what I was about to say! That thing about curiosity, no, I'm studying planetary science, man. Like, if I die, and I got to be in spectator mode, I would so travel to the next… I would.
40:36
Tad Eggleston: Right.
40:36
belle price: for Life on Netflix.
40:38
Tad Eggleston: But that's the other thing, is they don't have the rules.
40:40
Tad Eggleston: They don't have the rules.
40:42
belle price: That's awesome.
40:43
Marisol: Do it when you guys!
40:44
belle price: Minecraft, on, like, a server, and people, you could just, like, go anywhere on the map.
40:48
Tad Eggleston: So, like, again, it has everything to do with… to me anyway, it feels like it has everything to do with how much do they want to continue exploring this plane of existence.
41:00
Josh Eiserike: Hmm.
41:02
Josh Eiserike: I like that.
41:04
belle price: It's totally curiosity-based, and I like that theory.
41:07
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
41:08
Lee Woods: Yeah, because.
41:09
Marisol: We've seen they can take themselves out at any time.
41:12
Tad Eggleston: Right, I mean, there was the one guy that was left, and, like, honestly, with that one, like, I think he was curious until he found out, oh, some dude that I'm…
41:23
Tad Eggleston: his uncle, except that he died before I was born, has been.
41:28
Marisol: Absolutely.
41:29
Tad Eggleston: me forever? Oh, fuck all this. I don't want to know anything.
41:35
Marisol: I've had enough.
41:36
Tad Eggleston: Particularly, as he's saying… But I have things to tell you. You know your teacher, he wasn't really…
41:42
Tad Eggleston: Fuck this! Nope.
41:44
Marisol: We're done with that conversation. Goodbye.
41:49
Lee Woods: But I love.
41:50
belle price: Blame him, I mean…
41:52
Marisol: It is pretty earth-shattering, because you've got to imagine that they go from being… Is somebody with…
42:00
Marisol: You know, their own autonomy, they can…
42:02
Marisol: Relatively speaking, as far as a person can travel, go where they want.
42:06
Marisol: And then they become this… incorporeal… Ghost.
42:12
Marisol: That really is kind of… For lack of a better term, frozen in time, almost.
42:20
Marisol: Like, they themselves do not change, they cannot interact with… Anything in the world.
42:27
Marisol: put the world.
42:28
Tad Eggleston: Or even, like, their own clothes and body.
42:31
Marisol: Yeah.
42:32
Tad Eggleston: Yeah,
42:32
Marisol: Do they have no say in what they…
42:34
Tad Eggleston: I mean, Sam managed to work some sort of twirling gun trick, but even he admitted that that wasn't the first thing he tried to take out.
42:45
belle price: You mean they have to watch the world have dick-sucking Roombas, and they can't partake?
42:49
Tad Eggleston: Right.
42:50
Tad Eggleston: Either the dick-sucking… I don't cry. In either the dick-sucking rumas.
42:54
belle price: I agree.
42:55
Tad Eggleston: Or each other.
42:57
belle price: Yeah.
42:58
Marisol: That's just sad and depressing, and I would cry if that happens.
43:01
Tad Eggleston: Can you imagine how much it would have sucked for the Homo erectus walking around with the boner?
43:06
belle price: Can you imagine how much those dick room buses suck?
43:09
Lee Woods: There's so much sucking oil, what's happening?
43:11
Matt: I wonder how much those Roombas are.
43:13
belle price: Yeah, because those Rupas, they, like, really got me. I was like, why did this guy… no, because when he left the date in the car, that pissed me off. Like, what she said, like, you're gonna leave us sitting here in our own juices? I'm like, for real, men these days! I was like, what the fuck?
43:27
Marisol: Very rude.
43:28
belle price: Rude!
43:29
Marisol: Just to go home to the Dixie King Roomba.
43:33
Marisol: It's like, why? Why? This is why we can't have nice things.
43:37
belle price: Literally.
43:38
Lee Woods: Think about that, and again, it was… So well done.
43:43
Lee Woods: at least from what I read, that…
43:46
Lee Woods: especially, and belle, I know you're kind of joking about this, but the dating app world, right? Where it's just like.
43:53
Lee Woods: Men would rather be at home
43:56
Lee Woods: On a… some sort of video game, or in this case, like, a vacuum device, than be with a real woman, or a real partner.
44:06
Marisol: And the little Roombas came with their own little, like, VR headset-looking thing.
44:12
Tad Eggleston: I mean…
44:13
belle price: I miss Tinder. How sad is that? I miss Tinder?
44:17
belle price: That is sad. That's how bad the world gets? That's how hard romance gets, that you miss fucking Tinder? Tinder?
44:23
Marisol: It's like themselves?
44:24
belle price: Check out of dating apps.
44:25
Tad Eggleston: Because there was a time… there was a time when guys wanted their penis touched by something other than their hands. They used Tinder. But then, they got the penis-sucking
44:38
Tad Eggleston: Roombas, and they didn't need…
44:43
belle price: Oh, yeah.
44:45
Tad Eggleston: But how real is it? I mean, like, every tech…
44:48
Marisol: Yeah.
44:48
Tad Eggleston: ever had has advanced faster as soon as somebody's managed to apply it to sex.
44:55
Lee Woods: And just think about that in terms of human connection and the importance of those things, both violence and sex, right? Sex is probably going to be a little bit more self-explanatory here in terms of human connection, but also violence.
45:08
Lee Woods: Now, this is where I'll share a little bit, like, a personal example here. Some of my closest friends that I've ever made have been from a martial arts gym.
45:16
Lee Woods: Where we will sit, punch, kick, knee, elbow each other, I'm walking with a limp the next day, they have a black eye, and she's like, we're bros, we're hugging each other, we're like, man, I can't wait to do it again.
45:29
Lee Woods: And it's, like, that sort of violence that can sort of bring people together. And again, just to go with the example here.
45:37
Matt: First rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club.
45:40
Lee Woods: I didn't bring a cycle.
45:43
Lee Woods: I wanna…
45:43
Josh Eiserike: I want to ask you a question, Lee. I wanna ask you a question.
45:47
Josh Eiserike: My wife is Argentinian. I bring that up, because yesterday,
45:54
Josh Eiserike: She was screaming a lot. Yep. A lot, a lot.
45:57
Tad Eggleston: A lot, a lot.
45:58
Josh Eiserike: A lot, a lot, a lot. And thinking about, like, and, you know, there's a comic book podcast, and it should surprise nobody that I am not the biggest sports guy, I'm more of a comic book guy. But is there something in human psychology, and you know this certainly better than…
46:15
Josh Eiserike: most, where, you know, go back to, like, the Roman gladiators or before, and, you know, now, like, you know, NFL football, which is probably our most violent sport, and it's certainly dangerous as hell, but is there something cathartic and even healthy
46:29
Josh Eiserike: About watching that, and, you know, being spectators, not necessarily… or, or, you know, like, like…
46:35
Josh Eiserike: I enjoy horror films. Some of them are insanely violent. Doesn't mean, you know, and this is the bad argument against, doesn't mean I'm gonna go out and, you know, put on a Mike Myers mask and do terrible things, but I can appreciate the craft and the storytelling of these…
46:50
Josh Eiserike: stories, and in some ways, I think there is some… id wish fulfillment.
46:57
Josh Eiserike: And where it's… it's not all bad just to be a spectator, especially when it's either fictional or
47:07
Josh Eiserike: you know, like, I mean, putting aside the traumatic brain injuries of the NFL and, like, the horrible things these guys, you know, go through later in life.
47:16
Josh Eiserike: It's a fairly safe environment, at least for a spectator.
47:20
Josh Eiserike: Is there any truth to that?
47:23
Lee Woods: 100%. So, multiple points there that I can… I will gladly address there. So, I am a sports guy, so I could talk a little bit about that, just from the sort of tribalism that comes from that. But there's the first point of being cathartic.
47:38
Lee Woods: Yes, that there's, like.
47:41
Lee Woods: this concept that Freud had mentioned, that it comes down to two base desires. And I'm not even joking, it's sex and aggression.
47:50
Lee Woods: It's either, I want to feel good through sex.
47:53
Lee Woods: Or I feel good for aggression.
47:56
Lee Woods: Because, one thing I do talk about with my patients, especially that suffer from anger management, is…
48:03
Lee Woods: If you think about the traditional, sort of, example of somebody punching a wall, or punching a hole in a wall.
48:09
Lee Woods: where you tense your fist, you tense your shoulder, and you throw your hand through the wall. That doesn't feel good. It actually causes a lot of pain to go through that wall.
48:18
Lee Woods: But what ends up happening… Is after you make contact, or the person makes contact, say.
48:24
Lee Woods: You relax your arm.
48:26
Lee Woods: That's the part that feels good.
48:29
Lee Woods: Right? So, it's not that…
48:31
Lee Woods: you're being aggressive, you're being violent towards a person or object, but it's that release, that feel-good, after that tension is released. And that's what sports can do for us as well. It's… especially, like, football, just to use that example, or soccer for that matter.
48:48
Lee Woods: it's a sort of gladiatorial sport. How do we overcome challenges? How do we overcome The opponent, the enemy.
48:55
Lee Woods: And with that, with our own base desires, is, yes, at some level, it is us being violent to show dominance over someone or something.
49:07
Lee Woods: And, I don't have, my pop here, but, like, the Punisher, that's why the Punisher is very, polarized, where it's just like, yeah, he's grieving, he's violent, blah blah blah, but he acts out our base desires of wanting justice.
49:27
Lee Woods: To punish those that do us wrong.
49:29
Lee Woods: just to bring it back to the comic book example, so, long-winded answer, yeah, there is a sort of cathartic component, and sports, and especially violence, violence sports for that matter.
49:42
Lee Woods: exemplify that, and we, in some ways, especially, speaking for my own example, I'm not the biggest guy. I'm tall… ish.
49:51
Lee Woods: Compared to other athletes. But, like.
49:55
Lee Woods: I can't do what they do. So it's a sort of an admiration, too, that they can do that, they can represent that. So, that's a sort of vicarious experience through them.
50:05
Josh Eiserike: Which brings us back to Rear Window and Hitchcock.
50:10
Josh Eiserike: No, I was just thinking, the other movie that just popped into my mind, I don't know if y'all saw Weapons from last year?
50:16
Tad Eggleston: Haven't yet.
50:18
Josh Eiserike: If you haven't seen it, it's wonderful.
50:20
Josh Eiserike: I will say the ending I found incredibly violent, but without spoiling anything, also incredibly cathartic and exhilarating.
50:30
Josh Eiserike: highest recommendation.
50:32
Lee Woods: Weapons?
50:34
Josh Eiserike: Weapons.
50:35
Lee Woods: Looking it up now!
50:36
Tad Eggleston: I've heard great things, and I just haven't decided whether I can handle it yet.
50:42
Tad Eggleston: And it's awesome. Well, I'm very much not a horror guy, but it also seems like it's more of…
50:50
Tad Eggleston: the… the… Psychological horror than… than gore horror. I actually have, like, way more problems with Friday the 13th, and… and…
51:05
Tad Eggleston: That sort of thing than some psychological horror stuff.
51:09
Josh Eiserike: It's…
51:10
Tad Eggleston: Like, I don't I don't do gore for gore's sake very well.
51:13
Josh Eiserike: I promise this is related to the spectators conversation. Do you know the basic premise?
51:19
Tad Eggleston: No, but I'm looking at it right now.
51:21
Josh Eiserike: So the basic premise is a third grade class, all but one kid just leaves in the middle of night and disappears. Without spoiling anything, the whole thing is a metaphor for a school shooting.
51:31
Tad Eggleston: Gotcha.
51:32
Lee Woods: Haha, yep.
51:34
Josh Eiserike: But it metaphorically, but it goes in some very, very different directions. Like, the ending is.
51:44
Marisol: Okay.
51:45
Josh Eiserike: It's awesome.
51:46
Marisol: Because I did see the movie, and, like, I couldn't… I didn't piece that together.
51:50
Josh Eiserike: I agree.
51:51
Marisol: I enjoyed the movie.
51:52
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
51:52
Marisol: It was great.
51:53
Josh Eiserike: Yeah, and without spoiling anything, that also…
51:57
Josh Eiserike: Explains the reaction of various characters at the end of the film.
52:03
Marisol: Oh… Okay.
52:09
Marisol: Thank you, Josh, the dots disconnected for me.
52:12
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
52:12
Marisol: Yeah.
52:16
Marisol: Dang.
52:17
Lee Woods: Well, I just gotta say, just looking at it, I definitely want to watch it, because it's such a stacked cast.
52:22
Josh Eiserike: It's awesome.
52:22
Marisol: Oh yeah, no, it's a wonderful movie, well made. What's in it.
52:26
belle price: I've never even heard of it.
52:28
Josh Eiserike: Joy…
52:29
Marisol: Gardner.
52:29
Josh Eiserike: Josh Brolin, what is, the guy who plays Wong in Doctor Strange, his name is.
52:34
Lee Woods: Been to Dick Long King.
52:36
Josh Eiserike: Yes.
52:37
Tad Eggleston: Elden… Elden Ehrenreich?
52:40
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
52:40
Tad Eggleston: Christopher, Jason Turner.
52:42
Josh Eiserike: And, and Amy Madigan, who won an Oscar for playing Ann Gladys.
52:47
belle price: Wow!
52:48
Marisol: No, they didn't.
52:49
belle price: Oh, great.
52:50
belle price: I go to the movie.
52:51
Marisol: Yeah. Put it on your list. It's very well done.
52:56
Lee Woods: Alright.
52:57
Josh Eiserike: So let me ask you this, Marisol, did you find the ending.
52:59
Tad Eggleston: And it's currently on HBO Max, if you have an HBO Max.
53:03
belle price: It's a cult.
53:04
Marisol: I did.
53:05
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
53:06
Marisol: Called Weapons.
53:07
belle price: Thank you.
53:08
Marisol: I did, I… There were…
53:11
Tad Eggleston: It's on Amazon Prime as well.
53:13
Marisol: Next.
53:15
Tad Eggleston: So there are two places to stream it.
53:17
Marisol: To no end, for sure. But yes, there was the…
53:22
Marisol: I felt, like, full-circle completion catharsis at the end of what happened.
53:28
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
53:29
Josh Eiserike: And the ending is incredibly violent.
53:32
Marisol: Yes. I think that might be the most violent part of the whole movie.
53:36
Josh Eiserike: Yeah.
53:37
Josh Eiserike: Yes.
53:40
Lee Woods: But… just to keep.
53:42
Tad Eggleston: So, kind of, like, centers.
53:43
Lee Woods: Is it a sex scene?
53:45
Marisol: of.
53:46
Tad Eggleston: In terms of the end being the most violent, is what I meant.
53:49
Marisol: Yes.
53:50
Josh Eiserike: This is so right.
53:52
Josh Eiserike: I went to school with a lot of the dudes who did centers.
53:55
Josh Eiserike: I have nothing but love and respect for those guys.
53:59
Josh Eiserike: I… I… I prefer this movie.
54:07
Josh Eiserike: I don't know if I should go on… I don't know if I'm allowed to go on record saying that, but here we are.
54:11
Tad Eggleston: You should be careful.
54:12
Josh Eiserike: Ryan, I hope you're not listening.
54:13
Lee Woods: right there, it's weird. What'd you say? You know what, don't worry about it.
54:17
Josh Eiserike: Yeah, it's fine. Centers is great.
54:19
Marisol: It is great.
54:21
Lee Woods: As long as there's not a sex scene and weapon…
54:23
Tad Eggleston: You can like other movies more, and still have it be great.
54:28
Marisol: That's true.
54:28
Josh Eiserike: Let's… let's talk off-air about sinners.
54:31
Lee Woods: Okay.
54:32
belle price: marry Brian K. Vaughan if they had a sex scene in the movie called Weapons.
54:36
Marisol: Yes.
54:39
Marisol: It'd be incredibly fitting.
54:46
Tad Eggleston: So… I, I have… I have two questions for Matt.
54:51
Matt: True.
54:52
Tad Eggleston: First is, listening to all of this.
54:55
Tad Eggleston: Has it climbed into your BKV top 5?
54:59
Matt: No, but I have way more respect for it, because I thought about it differently.
55:03
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
55:04
Tad Eggleston: And second, I mean… like…
55:09
Tad Eggleston: one, maybe two books in front of it are really obvious. What would be the five BKV books that you would put in front of…
55:19
Josh Eiserike: That's a good question.
55:21
Matt: So…
55:21
Tad Eggleston: Because, like.
55:22
Matt: Okay.
55:22
Tad Eggleston: 3… listing as your 3, I would have completely forgivable.
55:29
Matt: So… listening is you?
55:32
Tad Eggleston: second favorite.
55:34
Matt: Number one.
55:35
Tad Eggleston: Right, would be even, like, almost a no-brainer.
55:40
Matt: Yeah,
55:48
Tad Eggleston: Saga's your number one.
55:49
Matt: Saga's number.
55:50
Tad Eggleston: Question number two.
55:51
Matt: Number 2, I would have to say, would be something like… either Ex Machina.
56:02
Matt: Or why the last man? Probably why the last man?
56:06
Tad Eggleston: Why the Last Man is the other one that I think is completely…
56:12
Marisol: What is that about?
56:14
Tad Eggleston: You've never read Why the Last Man?
56:16
Marisol: No.
56:16
Tad Eggleston: continue to read Why the Last Man?
56:18
belle price: It's on my reading list, the premise is awesome. The premise is awesome, all the women on Earth, all the men on Earth always is, like, one guy.
56:24
Matt: Yes, I think…
56:26
Josh Eiserike: Jealous of you.
56:27
Tad Eggleston: I think Why the Last Man needs to be the Volume 1.
56:31
Marisol: a receipt.
56:31
Tad Eggleston: our book for next month.
56:34
Marisol: Oh, God.
56:35
Lee Woods: Yeah, that's interesting.
56:36
Josh Eiserike: Sorry, Archie.
56:37
Tad Eggleston: decided. Sorry.
56:39
Matt: Why the last name is definitely number two.
56:46
Marisol: This has just solidified for me that I need to read more Brian K. Vaughan books.
56:50
Marisol: Cause…
56:52
Tad Eggleston: Like, I…
56:52
Marisol: Saga being.
56:53
Tad Eggleston: I like X-Mod.
56:54
Marisol: I'm gonna…
56:55
Tad Eggleston: I don't… I don't think I could make the Ex Machina is better than spectator's argument.
57:00
Josh Eiserike: I enjoy Ex Machina, I don't think that one's in my top 5.
57:04
Tad Eggleston: No.
57:04
Marisol: Oof.
57:05
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't even think it's my 3, I think I like runaway… I think I like his run on Runaways better.
57:09
Josh Eiserike: Run away.
57:10
Matt: Runway is my number 2. Probably number 4 for me.
57:13
Tad Eggleston: you know, Runaways or Paper Girls would be 3 for me, and the other one would be.
57:19
Josh Eiserike: There's my 4, sir.
57:21
Matt: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
57:23
Tad Eggleston: But… but… but managing to… managing to put anything other than spe… I mean, if you've got ex machina above spectators, that's how you manage to put it outside of the top 5. But, like…
57:35
Tad Eggleston: I, I, I, I, I can't actually…
57:39
Josh Eiserike: I've met Ex Machina a couple times.
57:41
Tad Eggleston: What?
57:43
Josh Eiserike: Pride to Baghdad's real good.
57:44
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, it is.
57:45
Josh Eiserike: Oh, oh, escapists!
57:49
Tad Eggleston: Yeah?
57:50
Tad Eggleston: I mean, he's done lots of good work, but I… I still think… kinda like, you know, Belle loves Red Handed, and I need her to read Mind Management, because to me, Mind Management is… is…
58:05
Tad Eggleston: Matt Kint's magnum opus, and… and… Red-handed is his, like, Perfect single volume.
58:14
belle price: We're not allowed to replace red-handed in the reading round robin. We need to read that on this podcast. I will not let down that one.
58:21
Tad Eggleston: Okay, so we'll still have it. Does everybody have a copy of Red Handed yet?
58:26
Marisol: I don't know what that is.
58:28
Tad Eggleston: Okay, so we're gonna remind everybody that they need to acquire Red Handed by Matt Kent, which I don't think I have a digital copy, I don't think it's available digitally, so you guys are gonna have to go track down…
58:40
Matt: It's cheap, you can pick it up for, like.
58:42
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
58:42
Matt: That's on eBay.
58:43
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, getting it will not be hard.
58:45
Marisol: Hmm.
58:46
Tad Eggleston: Red-handed by Matt Kent.
58:49
Lee Woods: I'll have to.
58:50
Tad Eggleston: Go find my copy.
58:53
Lee Woods: Show off.
58:55
belle price: It's the copy I read, this is the copy that got me back into reading. Dad handed me this, he goes, read this book, it's so good, and talk to me when you're done. I read it in English class, we were doing Kafka at the time. I could not pay attention to it, because everyone was just making dumb comments and didn't understand Kafka, so I was like, screw you.
59:08
Tad Eggleston: Oh, belle, you need to go… you need to, to, to read,
59:16
Tad Eggleston: It was a graphic novel that came out last year?
59:24
Tad Eggleston: Einstein and Kafka land.
59:27
Tad Eggleston: how Albert fell down the rabbit hole and came up.
59:32
Tad Eggleston: with… I think relativity?
59:35
belle price: That's interesting.
59:38
belle price: I really like physics, that would be interesting.
59:41
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
59:42
Tad Eggleston: I know. Einstein in Kafka Land, how Albert fell down the rabbit hole and came up with the universe.
59:48
belle price: Huh.
59:49
Tad Eggleston: by… by Ken Krimstein.
59:51
belle price: That sounds delicious.
59:52
Tad Eggleston: It is.
59:57
Lee Woods: So, can I ask… because as a fan of Deadpool.
1:00:01
Lee Woods: I love the idea of breaking the fourth wall.
1:00:05
Lee Woods: What was everyone's reaction, or response, or thought when, in the book.
1:00:11
Lee Woods: The characters turn to you, and, like, you were a part of this incorporeal form.
1:00:16
Tad Eggleston: That… I was caught red-handed.
1:00:18
Marisol: Right?
1:00:22
Marisol: Felt a little exposed.
1:00:24
Marisol: It was hilarious, though.
1:00:26
Josh Eiserike: Perfect, and in hindsight, the only way that this book could have ended.
1:00:30
Matt: Hi, Jordan.
1:00:31
Marisol: We're like, now we are the spectators. Come full circle.
1:00:35
Josh Eiserike: Other com- like, Mark Miller's Wanted did something like this, too.
1:00:41
Josh Eiserike: And I liked that ending, but it's super mean-spirited. I thought this just worked.
1:00:47
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:00:52
Lee Woods: Yeah.
1:00:53
Marisol: And I like how in one of the panels, they, Sam and Val just kinda…
1:00:57
Marisol: Waited a beat to see if, like, we would give a response to that.
1:01:00
Lee Woods: I was like, oh, well.
1:01:01
Marisol: Okay, you're not gonna say anything? Alright.
1:01:04
Matt: You know, Tad, after looking at the list of Brian K. Vaughan books, it is definitely in the top 5.
1:01:09
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:01:14
Tad Eggleston: I mean, Vaughn being Vaughn, I understand it not being one.
1:01:20
Tad Eggleston: I even understand it not being 2.
1:01:23
Tad Eggleston: Like, like, Saga and Why the Last Man are SO good.
1:01:29
Lee Woods: Oh, good.
1:01:31
Tad Eggleston: But all of his other series are… have, like…
1:01:41
Tad Eggleston: Flaws feels like too strong of a word, but, like, they're not tight enough because they're serious.
1:01:47
Matt: Yeah.
1:01:48
Tad Eggleston: Does that make sense?
1:01:49
Matt: Yeah, like, I really love We Stand on Guard.
1:01:52
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:01:52
Matt: But it's not…
1:01:53
Tad Eggleston: That needed to… that… well, but that needed to be longer.
1:01:57
Matt: Exactly.
1:01:58
Tad Eggleston: That… that either needed to be longer or needed to not be episodic.
1:02:05
Tad Eggleston: to my knowledge, the only other strictly graphic novel he's done is the other one that he did with Henrikin, which is Pride of Baghdad, which is amazing!
1:02:14
Tad Eggleston: But it's not this good amazing.
1:02:16
Matt: I don't think I've read that.
1:02:18
Tad Eggleston: so good.
1:02:19
Josh Eiserike: It's great.
1:02:19
Tad Eggleston: so.
1:02:19
Lee Woods: Oh, good.
1:02:21
Tad Eggleston: So good.
1:02:23
Tad Eggleston: I mean, again, like… There's certain creators that, like… You know… When you say, oh.
1:02:36
Tad Eggleston: this is kind of blah for a Mobius, that that means that it's better than, like.
1:02:41
Matt: 90% of everything else.
1:02:42
Tad Eggleston: 99% of all other things that are even remotely comparable to it.
1:02:49
Matt: Yeah.
1:02:49
Josh Eiserike: Did he do… am I making this up, or did he do a run on Mystique, and if anybody's read it, is that any good?
1:02:56
Tad Eggleston: Bond?
1:02:56
Matt: He did, he did a bunch of herbal stuff.
1:02:59
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Vaughn, I think, did Mystique. I know he did an X-Men run in there.
1:03:03
Josh Eiserike: I read the Ultimate X-Men run.
1:03:06
Tad Eggleston: No, I mean, I think he did… I think he did an X-Men run in the main universe, too.
1:03:12
Matt: He also did a Tales of the Age of Apocalypse, I think, or something?
1:03:15
Tad Eggleston: I mean, there was a time where he was… he was a.
1:03:18
Josh Eiserike: I read his Doctor Strange meeting.
1:03:20
Marisol: Oh, wow.
1:03:21
Tad Eggleston: I mean, there was a time where he was that 4 or 5 book a month guy.
1:03:26
Josh Eiserike: I mean, runaways are…
1:03:27
Tad Eggleston: Saga allowed him to stop being that.
1:03:29
Matt: Yeah.
1:03:34
Tad Eggleston: And once he was allowed to stop doing that, he was happy to stop doing that.
1:03:40
Josh Eiserike: I… I also think it's…
1:03:44
Josh Eiserike: This is some conjecture here, and this is my own life that I'm also referring to.
1:03:51
Josh Eiserike: I believe, and you all can correct me if I'm wrong, his Marvel work, and I think Why the Last Men, got him TV work.
1:03:59
Josh Eiserike: Yes. I know, I know he wrote on Lost, and then I believe he wrote on Under the Dome.
1:04:04
Josh Eiserike: Yep. Now, here's my conjecture. I don't think he was happy.
1:04:08
Josh Eiserike: Oh.
1:04:08
Tad Eggleston: No, he didn't love doing TV work.
1:04:10
Josh Eiserike: Yes, so… After that, I think he went to do Saga.
1:04:16
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:04:16
Josh Eiserike: After he left TV. Now, in my experience, when I was…
1:04:20
Josh Eiserike: in a writer's room, and here's where I'm gonna, you know, make it about me, and not, you know, in my view, the greatest comic book writer alive. Sorry, Alan Moore.
1:04:31
Josh Eiserike: when I was getting…
1:04:32
Tad Eggleston: Speaking of which, it looks like he did an issue with Tom Strong.
1:04:37
Josh Eiserike: There we go, full circle.
1:04:39
Tad Eggleston: One…
1:04:40
Josh Eiserike: when… when I was getting off of,
1:04:45
Josh Eiserike: I wrote on a CW show, and when I was getting off of that, I told my manager what I was working on, I'm like.
1:04:53
Josh Eiserike: I'm writing a TV show.
1:04:56
Josh Eiserike: that's period peace, it's got monsters, it's got kids, it's got magic, and it's completely unproducible. And my manager laughed at me, and I said, why? He said, that is the most normal thing in the world.
1:05:11
Josh Eiserike: when you're getting off of a show to write something that is just… that just can't be made, because it's like, you've told me I can't do all these things, well, now I want to do them.
1:05:21
Josh Eiserike: And in my view.
1:05:22
Josh Eiserike: one of them is… is the… is the comic, that became the… for me, that became the comic I'm currently looking for a home for, Pale Settlements, where the… I have the first chapter online, if anybody's interested. But also, I'm reading that, and I'm like, who's telling me this, and I'm like, oh, that's Saga.
1:05:42
Josh Eiserike: Like, I don't know if this is true, but I would totally buy that Saga was written in a reaction to, being in a writer's room. And by the way, there are wonderful writers' rooms.
1:05:54
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
1:05:54
Josh Eiserike: Wonderful, wonderful writers' rooms, but,
1:05:57
Tad Eggleston: Well, and I think he was actually even… wasn't he the showrunner, or at least head writer, at the end of Lost 2?
1:06:04
Josh Eiserike: He may have been, I have no idea.
1:06:06
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:06:07
Tad Eggleston: So, I mean, he wasn't even in a writer's room, and, you know, the way… I haven't heard him talk about it a lot, but the way I've heard him talk about it is it's not that he hated the experience.
1:06:16
Tad Eggleston: It's just that it wasn't… And, like, I mean, we know that he's done some more, he's credited on…
1:06:26
Tad Eggleston: Volume 3, or, part 3 of Dune.
1:06:31
Josh Eiserike: I didn't know that.
1:06:33
Tad Eggleston: I thought I brought that up on a previous…
1:06:36
Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, he's, he's, he's, he's credited on Part 3 of Dune.
1:06:42
Tad Eggleston: You know, I don't know that he's completely given up on doing any TV, it's just…
1:06:51
Tad Eggleston: Comics are definitely… his passion?
1:06:56
belle price: If Saga is done on TV, it will be animated, and I stand by that.
1:06:59
Tad Eggleston: I kinda think so, too.
1:07:02
Josh Eiserike: We'll see how Dungeon Crawler Carl does.
1:07:05
belle price: I think.
1:07:05
Marisol: The enemy, enemy.
1:07:06
belle price: I need… it needs to be. It needs to be like Vox Machina. Agreed. Better.
1:07:10
Marisol: Agreed.
1:07:11
belle price: Because it would be better than Vox Machina. It would… it would outdo Vox Machina by, like, $9 billion.
1:07:16
Marisol: Yes. I don't want… I don't want crappy, overdone CGI, I want this, as it should be, animated. That is the only proper way to put Saga on… in, like, video format.
1:07:30
belle price: To be honest.
1:07:30
Marisol: In my opinion.
1:07:31
belle price: be, like, creative direction on that. Like, it needs to be Fiona Staples-esque animation. Like, it can't be taken out of her art style, because I think that ruins the saga-ness of it.
1:07:39
Matt: Yeah, some executive's gonna make the tent look like a metal flying spaceship tent.
1:07:44
belle price: Yeah, no, they're missing the point. They don't know the whimsy, and the.
1:07:48
Matt: Joy.
1:07:50
Tad Eggleston: See, see, like… You… the… you're,
1:07:57
Tad Eggleston: And I think it's even more so when you're translating between mediums.
1:08:07
Tad Eggleston: So much of what's most important is catching
1:08:12
Tad Eggleston: the tone and mood. You can play much more with plot or character details than you can with…
1:08:23
Tad Eggleston: character traits.
1:08:26
Marisol: Then you'd lose the whole story.
1:08:28
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:08:31
Tad Eggleston: I mean, yeah, you're always gonna have the fanboys that are like, oh, it was not exactly like that in the books or whatnot, but, like, the example I always use is, like…
1:08:42
Tad Eggleston: at this point, I think there have been at least 4 translations of Little Prince, and I don't know… I mean, I know why they keep doing it. They can make money off of it, but it's frustrating that they keep doing it, because the Catherine Woods translation, the original translation, is…
1:08:59
Tad Eggleston: far and away the best. It's… it's… it's perfect. I mean, I don't know French, so I can't completely judge, but people who I know who do know French.
1:09:11
Tad Eggleston: Don't have any problem with it from that side, and what it does capture is, like, the childish…
1:09:17
Tad Eggleston: Whimsy of the book.
1:09:20
Tad Eggleston: What's more is the, you know, St. Exubery was bilingual, he just wrote in French and hired somebody else to translate, but he had to approve it. So, like, he clearly didn't have a problem with it.
1:09:36
Tad Eggleston: But, like, every translation I've ever read since that one loses, again, that childish whimsy. So, like, obviously, if Saga was ever made
1:09:48
Tad Eggleston: into a motion picture. And I don't know if I'm as… as… as…
1:09:55
Tad Eggleston: 100% sold as belle and Marisol, that it would have to be animated.
1:10:01
Tad Eggleston: But… There would be… To do it well would require capturing
1:10:13
Tad Eggleston: the essence of so many things that I don't think are done well in mediums that aren't comics.
1:10:21
Josh Eiserike: my vote?
1:10:23
Josh Eiserike: Is Calvin and Hobbes? Never adapt it. Let it be its own thing.
1:10:27
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
1:10:30
Tad Eggleston: And that's another thing, like, I mean, part of the reason that he's never given licensing
1:10:35
Tad Eggleston: To do any sort of adaptation or anything, is that, like.
1:10:40
Tad Eggleston: I can't imagine what you could do with Calvin and Hobbes, except for maybe… I kinda wish that, like, there was a very limited number of…
1:10:52
Tad Eggleston: Action figures are stuffed animals, right?
1:10:57
Josh Eiserike: I'd be… I'd be cool with official t-shirts, not the bootleg ones.
1:11:00
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:11:04
Tad Eggleston: But certainly from much of a storytelling standpoint, what could you possibly do with Calvin and Holmes that wouldn't wind up
1:11:12
Tad Eggleston: Taking away from… the wonder that is Calvin and Hobbes. I don't… I don't think you can…
1:11:20
Tad Eggleston: Correct. Express that.
1:11:22
Tad Eggleston: in another medium.
1:11:25
Josh Eiserike: And that's ultimately gunned in my head, there's violence again, how I feel about Saga.
1:11:31
Tad Eggleston: Mike.
1:11:31
Josh Eiserike: And I know we're talking about spectators, but look at this, Saga Book Club, back on Saga.
1:11:36
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:11:38
Marisol: It's happening.
1:11:38
Tad Eggleston: Well, it is, it is the Saga Book Club.
1:11:42
Tad Eggleston: Because… because, you know…
1:11:47
belle price: I will say, though…
1:11:48
Tad Eggleston: That's what we are.
1:11:49
belle price: It has been refreshing, actually, to speak about a different book with you guys, because I've loved so much talking about Saga with you all, but I think it's really awesome to hear your perspectives, not just on Saga, because, I mean, we're all pretty big comic fans here, so I think it's interesting to get your guys' perspectives on other books, too.
1:12:06
belle price: So I'm actually especially looking forward to looking at other authors in the coming week… in the coming months, excuse me.
1:12:11
Tad Eggleston: Well, I, I, I was gonna do this off the air, but I'll do it on the air then. Like, like, the… the…
1:12:17
Tad Eggleston: Lee and Edgar and Sam have been so busy lately that they haven't even been reliable for the Joy Resistance Hope and Survival Book Club. So I'm looking for more people who will be reliable. The next one for that is,
1:12:35
Tad Eggleston: Chip Zdarsky's Spectacular Spider-Man.
1:12:39
Tad Eggleston: Because we're just gonna go with some joy.
1:12:42
Tad Eggleston: There is… there is some hope and survival in that, too. I don't know how much resistance… I haven't read it in a while.
1:12:48
Tad Eggleston: But there's lots of joy, because it's Chip Zdarsky, and it's Spider-Man.
1:12:54
Tad Eggleston: So… That talk's a couple weeks away.
1:12:57
Tad Eggleston: Just sticking it in people's ears.
1:13:01
Tad Eggleston: They would be welcome to join. I think it's 2 weeks from yesterday.
1:13:05
Tad Eggleston: Did you break a mug?
1:13:08
belle price: Yes, my… ugh, I can't say that, I can't… I don't want to get into it on air. I almost tried to turn my camera off. My grandma made it for me, and she made me another bee mug, before I, like, graduated high school, and then I broke that fucking thing, and then I was like, will you make me another one? She was like, yeah! And I have these dumb hooks for my mugs on these cupboards, and this has the thick handle, and I'm putting my mugs away.
1:13:26
belle price: I literally am so upset right now, and I'm gonna text.
1:13:28
Tad Eggleston: Well…
1:13:28
belle price: like, will you make me another one? And she probably won't, because things with my grandma are not optimal right now, so…
1:13:34
Tad Eggleston: Well, so, what you need to do is at least pick up the pieces, glue it together, and make it a pencil cup.
1:13:41
belle price: I did that with the old one. The old one has since been thrown away, I believe. This one, the broken pieces were so shattered that I couldn't with the middle part, and I can't find the big piece because it's.
1:13:51
Tad Eggleston: Gotcha.
1:13:51
belle price: honored.
1:13:53
Tad Eggleston: Wow.
1:13:54
belle price: I think I'm just gonna go to a pottery studio and make a new bee mug myself this time.
1:13:58
Tad Eggleston: Right.
1:13:59
Matt: I'm sure there's Pottery Studios in Chicago.
1:14:02
belle price: I'm just very upset. I'm very upset. Sorry.
1:14:04
Tad Eggleston: I'm married and art teacher, so, like, if you need somebody who will help you out.
1:14:10
belle price: Yeah.
1:14:11
Tad Eggleston: I can't completely speak for her, because pottery's not, like, her favorite thing, but…
1:14:16
belle price: That's what I get for doing dishes on air.
1:14:17
Tad Eggleston: She might be willing to make exceptions.
1:14:22
Tad Eggleston: That's a.
1:14:23
belle price: Appreciate it.
1:14:25
Tad Eggleston: So, so, so next month, we'll do us some Why the Last Man?
1:14:30
Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna say… I don't have my…
1:14:36
Tad Eggleston: I don't have my tablet with me, so let me… let me figure out what constitutes the… currently available.
1:14:47
Tad Eggleston: first volume of Why the last…
1:14:50
Tad Eggleston: man, because I know that they've done it in the thicker…
1:14:55
Marisol: Is that available digitally? Because I know I've seen that.
1:14:59
Tad Eggleston: Yes.
1:15:01
Marisol: Looking at, the comic shop nearest to me, Grandpaper Comics.
1:15:05
Marisol: Saw it once. Didn't know what it was.
1:15:08
Marisol: Just saw that it had Brian's name on it, and I'm like, oh…
1:15:12
Marisol: Okay, and then put it back on a shelf.
1:15:14
belle price: I actually have the bigger version, but Volume 2.
1:15:18
Tad Eggleston: Okay, so we're doing one last man, book one.
1:15:23
Tad Eggleston: which includes… Issues 1 to 10.
1:15:34
Tad Eggleston: So…
1:15:37
Tad Eggleston: And it is available digitally. If you have trouble finding it, Marisol, let me know, I can help you out.
1:15:43
Tad Eggleston: Though, I think Lee's got it at the comic shop, too, so you need to get… you need to go visit Lee.
1:15:50
Lee Woods: We definitely do have it.
1:15:52
Tad Eggleston: We should, we should… What?
1:15:55
Marisol: Where are we taking a field trip to?
1:15:57
Tad Eggleston: Algonquin.
1:15:58
Lee Woods: Algonquin, Illinois, Modern Age Comics.
1:16:02
Marisol: Okay.
1:16:03
Marisol: I'll have to figure out where that is in relation to me.
1:16:07
Lee Woods: Where are you located?
1:16:08
Tad Eggleston: You're in sh…
1:16:08
Marisol: Westmont.
1:16:09
Tad Eggleston: Oh, you're… oh, yeah, okay.
1:16:12
Tad Eggleston: So you'd take, like, 53…
1:16:14
Marisol: Late August.
1:16:16
Tad Eggleston: You take 53 up to Lake Cook.
1:16:19
Tad Eggleston: Okay. And then Lake Cook over, and it'd probably be about an hour.
1:16:24
Tad Eggleston: But if we do… if we do it right, we can arrange some… something where, like, you, me, and belle meet there.
1:16:31
Tad Eggleston: Bill, you take the Metra out to Barrington, and either Marisol or I would pick you up on our way.
1:16:38
Lee Woods: Yeah, electronics.
1:16:42
Lee Woods: Yeah.
1:16:43
Tad Eggleston: We can make that.
1:16:43
Marisol: work.
1:16:44
Tad Eggleston: There are options, there are ways to make it work, is what I'm saying.
1:16:48
belle price: Yeah, we can schedule it out, I'd be fine with that.
1:16:53
Tad Eggleston: But…
1:16:55
Marisol: It's fun.
1:16:56
Tad Eggleston: Otherwise, I know it's still in print, easy to get.
1:17:00
Tad Eggleston: If you have a DC Ultra subscription, it is part of that.
1:17:09
Marisol: So it's…
1:17:10
Tad Eggleston: Like, really.
1:17:11
Marisol: The Last Man Book 1 or Volume 1?
1:17:14
Tad Eggleston: Book 1.
1:17:15
Marisol: Okay.
1:17:16
Tad Eggleston: Because Volume 1 technically isn't in print anymore, because they switched over to the bigger size.
1:17:24
Tad Eggleston: I mean, it was the way it was while it was coming out, so those are easy to find, but it would be, I think, Volume 1 and Volume 2, if you did it that way.
1:17:33
Tad Eggleston: Okay. And they're probably available cheap. You can almost always find it at a Half Price Books.
1:17:39
Marisol: I do think I have one or two of those near me, so…
1:17:41
Tad Eggleston: Right, let me check really quickly if it's one of the things that DC has on Global Comics.
1:17:56
Josh Eiserike: Guys, I'm on the East Coast, it's 11, I'm gonna… I'm gonna say goodbye.
1:18:00
Tad Eggleston: Oh, you're on the East Coast right now?
1:18:01
Josh Eiserike: I am on the East Coast. But this is, this has been lovely.
1:18:07
Tad Eggleston: Well, let me just take us out, because I think we're.
1:18:10
Josh Eiserike: Please.
1:18:10
Tad Eggleston: traveling at this point. So, for Lee, and Josh, and Matt, and Belle, and Marisol, this has been the Saga Book Club on 22 Panels, and we will see you after the next pay.