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#389 - For Azeroth!: “Transmog Triumphs" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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I too, miss zoning into a time walking dungeon and finding
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myself gifted with a beautiful twink that hired Gary's.
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Hired Gary's. The run.
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Victory for the Forsaken. For Lauderon.
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For the Karen tour for. Pandaria.
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For calendar to. The burning region. for the.
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Sindori for the alliance for. The horn for Azeroth Hello and
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welcome to For Azeroth episode 389.
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I'm one of your hosts, John, and today I am joined by the
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delightful lexer Ants Lex, the World of Warcraft and treating
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you. It's been treating me very well.
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Shawn, I am doing you guys are not gonna believe this.
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I've been doing Mythic Plus and I've been having a really good
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job. Like are having a lot of fun
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with it. I don't know that I'm doing a
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really good job at it, but I've been doing a good enough job
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that I've started calling mechanics and stuff.
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Not like the obviously I don't know the the dungeons themselves
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super well, but I'll be calling like affixes and like, oh, OK, I
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don't know if this is true. I kind of get the vibe though,
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that I am like the way that they developed the like glowy you
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gotta kick this cast. I feel like for whatever reason,
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it works better in my brain than the average person, which
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doesn't seem like it should be true, but I feel like everyone
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is constantly like not seeing them and I'm like, but it, it
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flashes. So anyway, I I call those
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sometime, not always. That's a good time.
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I've been really enjoying it. So we'll see if that keeps up
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and my team tolerates the fact that I've run inertia build in
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Movie Plus. I love that they might not be
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seeing. That's actually a feature, a
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toggle that you could turn off so you can't always see.
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Like you have to turn on, highlight important casts, get
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those on there. So it's a possibility that the
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people you're playing with don't have that turned on and that's
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why they're unable to see the important casts.
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But it doesn't matter because they've got you to call them
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out. That's huge.
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What? What key range are you in where
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you're comfortable now? So we are doing a lot of 10s,
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although we have not timed a lot of 10s, but so, so I I think
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that is kind of where we're hitting right now, which is it
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is always very funny when like in the for Azeroth discord,
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which isn't joined at Bit dot LY slash faz discord today, people
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were like, yeah, you know, like time walking's hitting a little
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bit around a a + 10, which I mean, plus 10s are easy.
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You know, I was like, oh, for you guys maybe, but some of us
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are bad. Which if you if plus 10s aren't
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easy for you also, that's OK, Bastie, you're as good as me.
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Take that as you will. Yeah, it doesn't.
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It actually I don't think. I don't think I don't think the
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difficulty of the keys means you're bad.
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You're just not as experienced in them.
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You know, if you're not as geared up, if you've not been
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running them all season. Familiarity, even just
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familiarity with the dungeons makes a huge difference, which
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you're probably noticing as you're seeing these important
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kicks and and remembering, you know, the next time you come to
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those packs. Hey, I know that this Hexer we
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got to kick that guy. Yeah, yeah, and even just little
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things like the number of times that I've kicked something
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stupid just to like try to get a little bit less damage and then
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all of a sudden there's a big glowy cast and I'm like, OK,
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this is bad. Hard to tell everyone that I
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don't have kicks. Yeah, I, I, I do think, I mean,
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to be fair, I've done literally a handful of mythic plus this
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entire season, so it's not surprising that I am like, this
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is kind of new and I the big mechanics are always the big
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things. I like the boss mechanics are
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the always going to be the big ones.
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And those are often you kind of do have to know funky little
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stuff to get it. And we never like horrifyingly
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overtime key. Like I've been in some key runs
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where like we're kind of sitting there looking at each other
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having a little bit of that. Like OK, so like at what point
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are we going to call it like we all want the gear and we all
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said at the beginning we're just waiting for completion, but it's
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been like 2 hours and I don't know the gear that much.
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So nothing like that. It's always been like, you know,
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a couple seconds, not a couple seconds, like a little bit
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overtime. Like, oh, we could have done one
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pack a little better and then we would have been fine.
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Very cool, very cool. Lex, however, is not the only
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person joining us today. We are also joined by the ever
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punctual Manny. Manny, how is the World of
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Warcraft for treating you and how are you doing?
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So as listeners may have guessed, that punctual was a
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absolute lie. And I apologize for Sean.
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He's usually factual, but today he decided to try and be funny.
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He sounds pretty angry and incoherent honestly.
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Yeah, that's right. Negative.
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I'm negative. There you go.
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Still my favorite. My favorite listener.
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If you're out there still, I hope I've done better for you.
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You know, it's funny the people that touch our lives and have
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that lasting effect, and I'm glad you have that.
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But to answer your question, World of Warcraft has been
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pretty damn great. Let me let me paint you a little
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picture. Let me tell you a little story.
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I was sitting down with one of our Fazzers, part of the fast
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community that is multi owl, and we had a little talk about
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mounts, about RNG, about the grind to go get whatever.
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And it was a lot of fun. And of course, we've recorded
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that and that'll be out for all of our patrons and then they'll
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be a general release as well. And so I was like, OK, you know
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what, I'm going to, I'm going to roll up my sleeves.
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I'm actually wearing short sleeves right now, so not these
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ones. And I'm going to go do some
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mount collecting. And let me tell you son, let me
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tell you, the RNG was with me today or other yesterday and I
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got another drop. So that is the fourth of the
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rear mounts. There's like 8 of them in total,
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2 per zone, 1 flying, one ground mount.
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Bam, Zandalar. I got the flying mount.
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So loving that. Then I said, you know what?
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Let me try a little bit of that that grind.
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So I put myself to work and I went through and I got the last
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of the like 500 of these, whatever you call it, so that I
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can get another mount. And I got that out of the way.
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And you know, it feels good to get those little accomplishments
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out. I'm happy.
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I'm, I'm relaxing and everything.
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So I'm like looking and seeing what's next on the checklist.
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Like I said, there's another four of the RNG mounts.
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There is the vile taint mount that might not be what's
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actually called. I'm sorry.
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I should call her. Vile essence.
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Vile essence. I'm sorry.
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I've said Lex. We've lost Lex anyways.
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Vile essence. Yeah.
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So you got to get 1000 of those. John, let me tell you, I'm at 80
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something. It's going to be a while.
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But you have to farm those in the Mysara Caverns dungeon,
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correct? No, on the normal and heroic.
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Just outside of the dungeon, you can farm the rares that are
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around there and like I'm geared enough that they're not as nasty
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as they were back at the beginning of the expansion.
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But also you can like my warlock is in the middle of a quest that
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took it, took them in there and then gets this extra action
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button plus a helper to make it easier.
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So I'm going to run around on the warlock, do that, try and
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farm that up and we'll see. But that one seems like a lot
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more for grind. Like I know 500 a thousand at
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that point, like you're going, but like the drop rate is a lot
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different too. And it's not like you're just
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going around and get and killing rares and stuff and then getting
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disenchanting mats, which is what I was doing it before
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mostly. So we'll see how that goes.
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But yeah, mount farming's been pretty good.
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Worked on the the professions like I was talking about last
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week. Finally got to the point where I
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can now craft the better value vials.
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I forget what what the exact name of it but it's the vials
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that you would make potions in and flask and stuff.
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So I can now craft that without any concentration.
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Which is good 'cause you know the base level ones sell them
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for like 2-3 gold, the the higher value ones A130140 gold.
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There's a big difference. There and it's just something
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that people are going to want. So I'm just like, you know, time
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to make some gold, baby. Like that.
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Everything's coming up. Manny.
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That's great. What a great change.
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Happy to hear that. Warcraft's been OK for me.
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I installed Final Fantasy 14. Yeah.
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Not because I'm unhappy with Wow.
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It's just I'm at a point in the season where we're progging
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Laura, we're getting pretty consistently into P3 and we've
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almost got P3 solved so we're probably looking at a kill
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sometime in the next two ish resets.
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But mythic like my characters are almost fully Bis here and
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I'm not a key pusher. I am doing the plus sixteens on
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one of my tanks because a friend of mine is a mount collector and
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I'm just helping him. Yes, he's like quite good at the
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game. But yeah, so I was just like,
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you know what, the Final Fantasy race to world first, which is
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not what it's called, they call it something else.
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They call it like RWE Race to World.
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I don't know what they call it. Anyway, that's happening.
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And a couple of friends, Lithian Sigh and Rook are casting that.
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And I said, let me pop in and see what this game's all about.
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And yeah, it's, I mean, I'm super early into it.
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I I don't have any thoughts on that, Right.
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It's an MMO. I got to ask you because there's
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a couple things that you talked about and I just want to ask a
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little bit more. Drex, explode, your mage.
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What spec did you go with? What are you doing with this?
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Why did you decide that you're going to jump on Adps after all
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your tank love? Well, I wanted, it's nice to,
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There's a lot of responsibility in tanking and it's nice to be a
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passenger Princess every now and then and just get in the dungeon
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and just follow and and Pew by one of the pure DPS class.
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I had to pick a class that did not have a tank spec because if
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it had a tank spec, I would default the tanking on it.
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I've always been, I've been drawn to frost Mage since the
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Dragonflight beta. Actually, it was a shadow land.
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It might have been. Yeah, it was shadow lands.
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I've been drawn to Frostmage since the shadow Lands beta, but
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but never never played it. Just sort of dabbled with it a
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bit and yeah, it is. I named my character seemed
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Drexler because I thought I was going to be a fire mage when I
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made them. But I enjoy frost.
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I really, I know this is unpopular and if you're a frost
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mage out there who's been a mage for a long time, I have
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recognized that mages only like arcane and fire and they only
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want those to be good and they never want frost to be good, so
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they hate it no matter what. Get that.
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But I've been really enjoying playing as a frost mage.
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I like the rotation. I like the little mini game of
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tracking your shadowing stacks. I'm going to shoot for 3K which
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I'm almost there. I have I think two more 2
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dungeons that aren't I'm to the 12.
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But I I gave myself a little challenge.
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I only pushed my I only ran my own key.
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But my first key I got friends to carry me through a 10 so that
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the next week I had a 10 so that that's a lift up.
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But from that point, I only ran my own key up until I had all of
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the keys done at a 10 or better, and then I was plugging into
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keys to farm specific pieces of gear.
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But I'm, I'm actually getting pretty good at it.
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I think, you know, I'm, I'm decent.
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I can purple parse in in heroic grade anyway, which isn't
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terrible. And more importantly, I'm having
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fun and you know, it's just a chill time.
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Are you pugging into rating or is that with like one of your
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friends? No, just pugs.
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I log on on Tuesday, I jump in Tuesday.
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Listen, if you're anybody playing this game, here's a hot
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tip. If you're playing the game and
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you're somebody who pugs primarily, do your pugs on
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Tuesday and Wednesday and don't ever think about doing them any
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other day of the week. Tuesday and Wednesday, you get
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all of the alts from all of the juicers.
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You get people who typically know the mechanics and know what
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they're doing. So yeah, on Tuesday I usually
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log in, bug a quick chimeras jumping to avoid Spire and A and
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a March and have some fun, yeah. OK.
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Well, thank you for entertaining me with my 20 questions.
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Yeah, no problem, no problem. Frost mage means where it's at
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and that it sucks because I actually think it's pretty good
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this season. But I'm I'm not a mage, a long
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time mage. This is an effect of the
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simplification of the DPS classes.
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I have a theory that every DPS class feels amazing if you are
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new to that DPS class but feral druid was the same.
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I played feral druid at the start of the season and I was
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like man this is great and every feral druid that I knew hated
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it. Frost mage feels great and every
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frost mage that I know well every mage that I know hates it
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because they don't like frost. They only want to play fire in
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arcane. They hate frost with a passion
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when it's the best boss, best spec for a raid.
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They're miserable. And then they say make up.
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All these reasons why it's broken and bad.
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And if you don't agree with that statement, if you have facts to
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show me why I'm wrong, we jump into the discord and let us
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know. It's a comment on Spotify.
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Did you know Spotify has rankings?
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I only found out tonight. Sorry, side tangent, I only
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found out tonight that you can rank the shows that you listen
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to on Spotify out of stars, and I'm embarrassed to say I hadn't
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even rated this show myself because I didn't even know it
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existed. Anyway, if you were like me,
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listeners, you can give Spotify rankings to the things you
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listen to. Who knew?
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Who knew? All of the Frost majors are
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giving us one star today. We're just going to tank.
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Yeah, but I think that's a theory that I have that anybody
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new to DPS spec in this world of reduced complexity probably is
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enjoying those DPS. And anybody who's played one
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spec for a long time is kind of a little salty and doesn't like
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change and feels bad about it and can give you good reasons
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why it feels bad. But yeah, that's what I think.
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And I don't know if it's good or bad that that's the way that it
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is. I think it's healthy that people
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will try more specs and enjoy them, but you don't want to lose
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those people who like or dyed in the wool subtlety rogues, you
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know? I I do think you're kind of
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right on that though, because I do remember before the prune
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came, I was a big proponent of the fact that one button
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rotations making everyone so happy makes me like, we need to
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means that things are too complex.
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We need to cut things down. And then they took away
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literally one thing from havoc. And I was like, what do you
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mean? I don't have my schedule.
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I'm so bored when I have one fewer button depressed.
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And it's also, I think part of it is really even like dumb
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little things like I have my key binds all set up.
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I honestly don't even remember what I put in place of sigil.
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There's a non zero chance of empty because that's, that's,
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that's my sigil button, right? Like I, yeah, I could switch it
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to something else that was on like a different hot bar, but I
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already have that keyed into a different key bind.
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And that like, if I put like, you know, vengeful retreat where
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I put sigil, I'm always going to press, you know, my old vengeful
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retreat. Like I, I have it set up.
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I know where it's supposed to be.
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I know where all my buttons are. So if you take them away, I
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don't know what to put there. So I, I, I I.
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Drink it, Lex. You drink it that you're like I
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never have a button for my on used pretty kink it.
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The issue is not that I don't have a button for my trinket
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many the issue is that I don't use it.
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The issue is that I'll have a button and I'll have all sorts
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of tell me when things and I never do it.
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But now I have only one on used trinket and it's a 2 minute
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cooldown. And so I put it on my
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metamorphosis and I tell it today I hate on used trinkets so
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much. They annoy me because again, I
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mean, it's a different thing that I have to put in my
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rotation and I have my rotation badly, but I know it and I know
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everything is. I know when I process it in what
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order, and I know when different things pop up, what button do I
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hit? I'm not going.
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To you don't want to lose anything from that rotation, but
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you want it to be easier. Yeah, exactly do that.
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Do that, Blizzard. Make it easier, but don't change
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anything. I will say I don't, I, I felt I
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was a big whiner. I don't know how much I whined
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audibly, but I mentally I was a big whiner about losing sigil
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when that came out and I, I think it's fine now I'm, I'm
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kind of over it. I like, I don't, I haven't
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thought about it until this moment when we were talking
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about it. I was like, oh, I remember when
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I was very mad that sigil was gone.
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Honestly, Lex, as a podcaster, I feel most of your whining was
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visual. But going beyond that, I think
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that you a lot of things that you say are just generally how
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people are. People are resistant to change.
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We can always identify problems. We're horrible about suggesting
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what the answer should because everybody has their own
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particular way that that they would want it to be.
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So I think, Sean, going back to your point, I think you're
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right. I can go through a list of
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things that I would want change for like elemental or
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enhancement or whatever. And generally I think that the
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fact that you've jumped onto frost mage and you're enjoying
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frost mage is such a win. I have a friend who is a frost
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mage. So like the the like exception
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that proves your rule sort of thing with the changes and
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stuff. Like, yeah, they were able to
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like have like a couple of nitpicks and were like, oh, I'm
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sad that we lost this. But now that we're, I think on
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the tail end of of this tear pretty much settled into it.
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I'm used to the new reality of my DPS might go back to
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enhancement next next season. I'm not sure.
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It's there's a lot of sizzle guys, whatever class I'm
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playing, there's a lot of sizzle.
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There's a lot of lights going off and spells and all of that.
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And so like, even if I complain a little bit about like, oh, I'm
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missing this, damn, it feels fun to press those buttons still
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though. I never would have been able to
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swap off a storm strike because it's the second best sound
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effect in the game of storm strike.
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Brock, second best being Divine, told you can't.
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Crash lightning. Crash lightning is like the
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second best spell in the game next to heroically.
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My God I I will. Like if I could put heroically
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on every class. Oh man that's like hot sauce
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man. Just pour it on everything.
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Oregon Leap is really good, especially if you're a mountain
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thing because you get the Thunder peel from the land as
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well as an effect. That might be a glyph.
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That might be a glyph. Anyway, that's that's what we've
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been doing in Warcraft. This is the longest we've ever
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opened the show by talking about what we're doing.
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And it felt great, folks. It felt great.
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We're going to give it some news.
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This is where I would play our Good News Everybody sounder if
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we had one, but we don't because we're not that kind of show.
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Good news everyone. Lex Manny.
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Predictions were made, dates were picked.
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Passed up. Bets were offered.
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I make no bet. And we got a we got a launch
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date for midnight 12 point O .7 Revelations.
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That content update mostly goes live on June 16th.
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I don't remember which one of us predicted that date over and
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over again. Can you remember one of us?
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It was Lex. I don't want to talk about it.
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I'm fairly certain it was Lex, but I was also kind of tuned out
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last episode, so we'll we'll have to go back to the record.
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We'll have to go back and check. Yeah, we'll have to go.
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This is where I'll play the clip of me thing.
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So coming out June 16th, not a surprise.
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If you listen to this show, I don't think there's been a date
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that I've been wrong about since I joined the show of a thing
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coming. So not a shock that this is
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coming when it is. But there are a couple of small
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surprises I do want to touch on. And the first one, man, I'm
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going to throw this to you, the Omnium Folio.
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So this is our borrowed power that will last.
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This is our lease. I'm not going to call it
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borrowed power because we're getting it for the whole
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expansion. This is our least power.
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This is a long term lease. We got to return this thing with
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low mileage that is launching with the patch on the 16th, but
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there is a five week quest chain before we can Max it out.
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And I don't know if it's guaranteed that it even unlocks
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on week 1 because as per Blizzard's note, it says once
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unlocked you'll be entrusted with the Omni and folio of Runic
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Ledger containing Confidence of Power.
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You can use a battle and we know that it's five weeks to Max it,
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but there's no guarantee that it unlocks Week 1.
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I don't even know. I don't even know what I want
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you to say at this point, Manny, because I already know how you
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feel about this. Well, OK, here's here's how it
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is guys. There might be some really cool
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story attached to this. We might have the like
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questionly gay duo bickering at each other and I'm all for that.
21:58
That's going to be fun. Just those two going at each
22:00
other and you're just like, shut up and kiss a bit.
22:02
Like it just happens week after week after week, right?
22:06
And it's June, guys, this is the perfect month for that.
22:09
So you know what, go for it. I suspect that each week they
22:14
will unlock one additional column towards it so that you'll
22:20
be like, Oh yes, you've, you've got the Macguffin and you've put
22:23
it into, into the thing. Good job MacGyver, here's an
22:27
extra power. And then next week you'll come
22:29
back and it'll be like we've coincidentally found a new
22:32
Macguffin for you to get. And so you'll go through each
22:35
week. Unlucky new row until you get to
22:37
the final row and congratulations, you now have
22:40
have everything As I said last last week, this is a process
22:46
that will likely be short formed in the future.
22:50
So if you are really not feeling like it, you can come back
22:54
later. It'll be fine guys.
22:56
It'll be fine. Yeah, this is something that's
22:58
supposed to last until the end of the expansion as some sort of
23:04
like overarching power, which which means that like hey guys,
23:08
your stuff will get hot fixed as soon as they find out they're
23:12
balanced incorrectly and will get hot fixed later as soon as
23:15
they realize that they have to adjust the balance.
23:16
But you will still get some of it all the way through till we
23:22
end things on midnight. We are at the dawn of a new
23:26
expansion and so go ahead, enjoy this, if not for the story, just
23:31
for like some fun things to do, a single player content which
23:35
you know, the pickings are kind of thin right now.
23:38
And this will give you some granted power that will allow
23:41
you to push through all that other stuff that we were talking
23:44
about. And if you want hips and tricks
23:47
about like what's going to be good, there's a bunch of sites
23:50
for that. Yeah, I think I just want to
23:53
prep everybody for the reality that we might not unlock this
23:59
and have access to it the week of the 16th, but it might be a
24:03
multi week West chain to unlock it.
24:07
I would, I would really think that they should avoid that.
24:10
I would think that it's more likely to be weeks one through
24:13
5, then closer to weeks 3 through 8 of this eight week
24:18
cycle that they're doing just because they want you to nerf
24:22
the raid. You know what actually, because
24:24
there is a raid that like could get nerfed.
24:27
I could see this coming out on Week 2.
24:29
And then you get like that increasing power gain that helps
24:33
you push through the raid that way.
24:36
I just generally don't like that people will be like, OK, I'm
24:39
pushing to be in that top 1% of the new Mythic plus system that
24:43
we've had. And really the strongest and the
24:47
best chance and the furthest you could possibly go will be
24:51
limited to like the week that this is fully unlocked and the
24:56
the weeks thereafter. That to me would be a real bad
25:00
position to put players in. The fact that it's five week C
25:03
also feels a little bit long. If you ask me, I'd I'd put.
25:06
It 5 weeks, 5 weeks to Max it in an 8 week season, yeah.
25:11
I personally, I'm not in love with the weekly.
25:17
It seems like the thing that they're doing a lot is a like,
25:19
we're going to give you a thing. And then every week you do a
25:22
little bit more. And I know this isn't like a new
25:24
concept in in Blizzard, but it feels like it's almost every
25:27
power game right now. And I just, I, it's probably
25:33
just that I'm, you know, raid logging more than I should.
25:35
And that's my own problem. But it feels bad when you like
25:38
log into raid. You're like, Oh Jesus I didn't
25:40
do. That Lex, do you remember back
25:44
in the yesteryear's back in the War Within, we got an expansion,
25:51
sorry, rather a patch. And the patch had week 1
25:56
basically nothing. And then Week 2 they added
25:59
something and then week 4 they added something.
26:01
And so they were like, yeah, sorry guys, we really should
26:04
have put more up front and not gated all of this stuff.
26:08
I don't I'm glad that the pendulum hasn't gone completely
26:11
the opposite way, but I think they could just move it a bit
26:14
further. I'll give them points for not
26:17
completely going the opposite way and be like, here's a
26:19
million things. Actually, no, wait, that was
26:20
last patch. OK, so they did struck up and
26:23
now they're kind of going back forth.
26:26
Well, Manny, I I have good news for you Turbulent time ways.
26:30
Another headline part of this patch will be launching on June
26:33
30th. This is our turbulent time,
26:35
which this is your, your time walking that after doing 4
26:39
weeks, 44 dodges a week or four week or 4 weeks, you unlock
26:45
Viranoth mount, which is cool, but they've also extended.
26:48
There's an XP buff that comes to this.
26:50
That XP buff used to be character wide.
26:52
Each character would have to do four time walking dungeons to
26:55
get this XP buff, but now it's account wide.
26:57
The one character can do the four dungeons and then the buff
26:59
goes account wide as long as nobody dies and you can keep
27:02
that up, which is great. So that's not coming at the
27:07
launch of the patch. That's coming two weeks after
27:08
the patch launches. And then a week after that, July
27:13
7th is when we're going to get the next chapter in the midnight
27:18
campaign quest. It's actually if you go on the
27:21
PTRI, don't know if this counts as a spoiler.
27:23
It's actually listed as chapter one of the 12.1 campaign with
27:28
Zol Jan and you're exploring what we're going to be heading
27:32
to in a tall U tech. Lex, are you glad that we have
27:36
this sort of break before we get the story campaign after the
27:39
patch launches so that you guys can experience Sporefall and and
27:42
and wrap up the current rates? I tend to no, I don't
27:53
understand. I, I want my patch on my patch
27:56
patch time and I would rather just have more space between the
27:59
patches. I no, I, I, I also don't like
28:05
having to remember all of the dates that everything is coming
28:08
out and like, and if I'm frustrated with it, I imagine
28:11
the people who are not doing weekly podcasts are even more
28:13
annoyed. I listen.
28:15
I like big space between big chunks and stuff.
28:19
Right. I like the original half cycle.
28:20
The the concept of like, Yep, there's a lot of time.
28:22
And so we're going to wait until things, you know, like we'll
28:26
give you space for things to get a little bit boring and then
28:29
we're going to dump so much stuff on you and it's going to
28:31
be super exciting. And then you're going to get a,
28:34
we're going to do it for a while.
28:35
I, I, I like that rhythm. I like the fact, frankly, I like
28:38
the fact that rhythm means that I can take a break sometimes.
28:41
And I, I personally am not in love with the like everything
28:44
being spread out, no. Sean, is there anything in this
28:51
patch that is confirmed to be coming out on the 16th?
28:56
Yes, yes, we have many things coming on the 16th.
28:59
Man, tell me about this. I'm glad you asked.
29:02
So we're going to have Heroic World here coming on the 16th,
29:07
which is open for level 90s and will be a more difficult
29:11
challenge tuned for characters at at an item level of about
29:16
290. And what it will do is increase
29:21
the drop rate you will get from the currencies.
29:24
We have the the old accolades marl, that stuff, but it also
29:28
will make all of the rares drop champion track war bound items
29:32
instead of veteran track war bound items.
29:34
So good for alts, not good for the the characters that are
29:37
playing in the heroic world, dear, but good for good for.
29:40
Alts sorry 290 though you said. Tuned for 290, but the yeah, so
29:46
so right now regular world content is tuned for like, I
29:49
don't know. 190 or something at the.
29:51
Yeah, 190 and it drops veteran track war bound gear from the
29:57
rares, but they're upping the difficulty and then making the
30:01
rewards from the the rares increase in kind.
30:06
And we're also going to have the new void assaults with the, I
30:13
don't think they actually call it void assaults, the Mini.
30:16
Zones. Yeah, the mini zones.
30:18
We're going back to Legion, to Val and and Nagtol.
30:21
I don't know how to pronounce that.
30:23
Loreheads, please let me know. But that's coming on the 16th
30:26
for those 2 little zones, and I think they rotate weekly the way
30:30
the zones do now. And then after that, we also
30:34
have the Rothmeyer, the Warfol raid that's coming on the 16th.
30:38
You'll get your 298 gear. If you're a Mythic grader, it
30:40
should be easy. It's meant to be a transition
30:43
from heroic to mythic raid. So that's the difficulty level.
30:45
So hopefully attainable for most folks.
30:47
And it's flex rating. Get a chance in there to go in
30:49
with 15 to 25 people. And we're going to get lore
30:52
walking with the lower on the 16th.
30:55
We were going to join Laura Walker Lily.
30:57
I feel like Cho has only just been started as the war Walker
31:00
for us to already be interested in a new one.
31:02
Doesn't matter. We're getting lore walking with
31:04
the Loa. Give us troll background because
31:06
we're obviously going to Batali tech for 12.1.
31:11
So this will be exciting. You can go and check that out.
31:13
I like actually I've enjoyed all of the lore walking so far and
31:16
then a mini game where you help the lowest speaker break
31:22
generalize new eggs. I somebody will have to tell me
31:28
what this is. I assume it's for a mount or
31:29
something. Probably never mount, but if you
31:32
recall when we were getting all of those lower back, that's a
31:35
phoenix. Well, it basically is like
31:39
dragon Hawk that comes out of the fire and that's actually a
31:44
lower that we've come across a couple of times.
31:46
So that one's not a new invention like that one.
31:48
Wait, sorry, I have to back way up because this is really
31:50
bothering me. Where are you seeing that the
31:52
heroic world content is tuned to two?
31:56
90 from videos by Mr. GM and BB Messey on YouTube.
32:01
That was through PTR testing. Really hard.
32:05
Like I don't even think heroic rating.
32:07
Like I I'm rating heroic at a 270.
32:11
I was watching Dan like in full mythic gear he because he was on
32:16
the PTR full mythic gear get his face beat in during it so.
32:24
I'm curious what this is going to look like then, because that
32:26
if if it's drop, oh, it's war Band champ 46, OK.
32:29
Yeah, War band champ. Yeah, OK.
32:31
It's the same as the rares now. Like if you kill rares now,
32:35
you're doing it. Yeah, for you're killing.
32:38
Yeah, I'm certain. I don't want to say what I was
32:40
about to say because it will come off as an out of touch with
32:45
the vast majority of the player base.
32:47
So maybe you are killing rares and that veteran track web on
32:49
gear is valuable to you. There are a lot of other.
32:54
Just do a delve. It just it feels to me that the
32:59
tuning of that is not about like, hey, you can take on stuff
33:04
that's because your gear is 290, so here's some champ track.
33:07
To me, it feels like we want you to engage in the world in a
33:11
fundamentally difficult way where you're not where you're
33:15
worried about butt pulling in another mob or two.
33:19
Like we have had back back back when like I think Cataclysm was
33:23
the last time, like outside world was like even remotely
33:26
close to dangerous and that only lasted like a tear.
33:29
I think it's supposed to shift the relative difficulty of it
33:34
when you are geared so outdoor content is challenging and that
33:39
to me seems correct. The champ track rewards, that's
33:46
the part that feels out of step for me, but whatever.
33:49
And look, I'm famously a proponent of making world
33:52
content harder. So if that, even if that's what
33:54
they're experimenting with, like they want to see if they can
33:56
start pushing it to higher difficulties, that is something
33:59
that I'm entirely behind. If it is genuinely tuned to 290,
34:03
I think that's maybe a big jump, but A, we'll see and B fair
34:12
enough, right. Like not everything has to be
34:14
for everyone. And maybe this isn't for me.
34:16
I whined about the, you know, smaller version last time they
34:19
did 12 point 0.5. So I probably would whine about
34:23
it anyway. So yeah, yeah, no, no, that,
34:25
that. And listen, I don't know.
34:26
I've not been watching these videos.
34:28
I am not obviously tuned into what's going on there.
34:31
So that number just seemed very big to me.
34:33
But I, I could like, I I, I don't know, right?
34:35
I surely do not have any information that you 2 do not
34:39
have. And it sounds like you 2 have a
34:40
lot of information that I don't. Honestly, I hope that the the
34:44
push for Morrow, the push for those currencies, that to me
34:48
seems like the bigger thing for those people who'd like doing
34:50
collecting and such. I would want that that for them
34:54
that they're like, oh, let me get all the recipes and all the
34:59
patterns and all of that and I will do heroic world content so
35:04
that I can, I can get that. Because I know there's a lot of
35:07
people who will be like, oh man, the amount of moral that we get
35:10
from world content and stuff seems so small and so anemic.
35:13
I really want a big push here. Turn up the difficulty, get all
35:17
that value you want. Fair, and we will also, you
35:20
know, gear is going to get better.
35:22
We're going to get our little power boost, we're going to get
35:24
all the cute little stuff. So to be fair also this might
35:27
not seem as crazy when it actually is dropping, right?
35:29
This might seem much more where everyone is at.
35:34
I'm going to tell you right now, my gear is not 290.
35:36
I'm a 286 or 88, might be 88. I'm shy of 290 for sure.
35:43
OK good, that makes me feel better.
35:44
I was sitting here like, am I that bad?
35:46
Like no. I misspoke.
35:49
I apologize. I misspoke.
35:51
I just went to check. Yep, 274.
35:54
It's tuned for 274. OK, I told 100% locked in there,
35:59
we're all good. Everybody who's writing you
36:01
Knee. With a good time, damn it.
36:03
Sorry, I apologize 274 live correction, OK.
36:08
Is there a mythic world? Is there a mythic world tier?
36:12
No put. That up to no.
36:13
No, there's not 274. I apologize, sorry.
36:17
Lower the pitchforks. Please don't let that affect the
36:20
rating you're going to give us. No, it's great.
36:24
When you make a mistake in content, you get a ton more
36:26
comments and it boosts you in the algorithm.
36:28
We don't do any algorithmic content, so it doesn't.
36:30
Actually matter, but anybody who wrote out the answer before we
36:33
got to me correcting it is going to feel so silly for calling me
36:36
an idiot. That's 12 point O .7 coming on
36:42
June 16th as the prophecy foretold, so make sure you're
36:46
ready to go and get having fun eight weeks from then until both
36:52
.1 puts it at about August 11th. You can go ahead and mark that
36:56
into your calendar. Yes, man, I am.
36:58
I'm glad that you're putting out the prediction real quick.
37:01
I hope that they slow it down. I don't know.
37:03
I just feel like we're right in that the season where it's like
37:06
Canada Day, Independence Day, Pride, whatever you want to do,
37:11
people are going to be missing time.
37:13
School's already out for those folks in the US.
37:15
People want to go and do stuff. I know all of us are poor, and
37:18
so it's going to be mostly staycations.
37:19
You know what actually bring on the contents staycation.
37:23
I correct myself midstream. Yeah, delay would be great.
37:29
I don't they they, they realistically can't because
37:32
they're so tied up against BlizzCon.
37:33
They have to get it out before BlizzCon.
37:35
Blizzcon's going to be a bunch of announcements about 12.2 and
37:39
the Race World First has to be over because most of the people
37:41
who are going to be on the MDI mainstage at BlizzCon are Race
37:46
World First players, so they need to have the race over
37:49
before then. Plus Turbulent Timeways is 6
37:52
weeks and every other Turbulent timeways we've had, when it has
37:56
ended, the next patches come and that ends on August 10th.
38:01
Wait, wait, but BlizzCon and well, you know what this
38:05
tournament rails, I'm like, they're having MDI, but the new
38:09
season's been out. Are they doing MDI for the
38:13
previous that's? Season Season 1 finals so it'll
38:17
be season 1 I believe so I. Believe in the Season 2.
38:23
Yeah. Cool.
38:25
All right. And then Arena World
38:27
Championship as well, but I guess that doesn't really change
38:30
cause arena's. Balancing tier sets, all of that
38:35
does change. Yeah, OK, I guess that matters.
38:38
I don't watch a lot of PvP, but we're going to move on, folks.
38:40
We're going to slip into some fun updates and bug fixes.
38:43
First, though, Lex, what if I told you that there was a
38:46
trinket that you could craft that would be your absolute best
38:52
trinket across the board? Would that excite you?
38:57
No, I hate crafting. It's stressing me out.
38:59
I don't understand. I don't know how much I'm
39:00
supposed to tip. It's scary.
39:02
And then I like do it with my guildies.
39:03
I'm like, can you guys do this for me?
39:04
And then I'm like, I don't know if I'm supposed to tip.
39:06
But they said no, you don't have to.
39:07
But I'm scared. They're just saying that's to be
39:08
polite. It's really stressful and scary.
39:09
Sean, there's rules and I don't know what they are.
39:12
I should have asked Manny. Well there was Lex.
39:15
There was a trinket, the Dark Moon Dominion.
39:17
It was found out this trinket was giving 598 of your lowest
39:23
secondary stat on a proc. And people figured out that if
39:29
all of my secondary stats are the same number, they are all
39:34
the lowest and simultaneously the highest, but they're all the
39:37
lowest. And when it procs I get all of
39:39
those secondary stats. And this was wreaking havoc on
39:44
the mythic plus scene as people were frantically adjusting their
39:48
gear to make sure they had the same number across the board or
39:54
their secondary stats. Thousands and thousands of gold
39:58
spent in re crafts and re gems and re enchants.
40:02
Manny, are you somewhat? Did you jump on this?
40:04
Did you say hey Dark Moon deck Dominion, I'm all over this?
40:08
I did not. But I love it and I am so sad.
40:16
I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to pop the ball right now.
40:18
I'm so sad that it got hot fixed out and it's gone.
40:23
I I you know what it was a min Max hell it was you would need
40:31
to get gems from like past expansions just to make sure it
40:35
lined up because if one was at 297 and one was at 298,
40:38
congratulations you screwed up. So you were like micro adjusting
40:42
your stats to make sure that they lined up, but even at
40:45
giving you 3 stats, it was well above any other stuff
40:51
performing, especially for like classes like an elemental shaman
40:54
that love stats, that loves all stats, not equally, but love
40:58
stats. Just give give it all to me,
41:00
right? And when people find this out
41:04
mid season and it revolutionizes gearing and you get the sudden
41:07
influx of just excitement from like, you know, the hard course,
41:11
the min Max is the like absolute sweats, the nerds that are going
41:15
to write it all down and do all that sort of stuff.
41:19
I love it. It's great.
41:20
It's it's a lot of fun for a very small portion of the
41:27
population, for a larger set of the population that we're going
41:32
to say likes to keep up with the Joneses.
41:35
It is a nightmare. It is the I don't want to do
41:39
this. I don't want to go through this
41:42
guys. The amount of inflation on like
41:47
stuff like super old gems and super old enchants, right,
41:54
actually less than chance because they would cap out and
41:55
say you can't be above a certain thing, but super old gems right
41:58
was ridiculous. The amount of people who were
42:01
like farming gear gear to like switch things around was like.
42:06
I think that that's fine. I think that was fun, but for
42:11
those of you guys who are listening to what I'm saying and
42:15
being like, Oh my goodness, I would never, that is too much
42:20
and all of that. Yeah, that's why they hot fixed
42:23
it. Because even if it is A
42:30
Midsummer Christmas miracle for some people, it is a nothing but
42:37
a huge headache for others. It'll say, OK, this is, I'm
42:42
going to be really mean for a second.
42:44
It was obviously a bug, like it was obviously a hack.
42:51
Of. Course that's going to get all
42:53
fixed. I agree with Danny.
42:55
I I think that having options like this that are like, you
42:58
know, like, oh, like I I think that can hypothetically be cool.
43:00
They're like, Oh yeah, if you mid Max perfectly, then you can
43:03
get all of your stats every time.
43:05
And you guys, of course, no, if they wanted it to mean all of
43:10
your stats went up and down, they would have said all like
43:12
it. Like pretty obvious, you know,
43:17
oopsie. Like we didn't think we coded it
43:18
like that and then we did it. Oh.
43:20
Shoot. Like, I don't know, I'm sorry if
43:22
you spend a lot of money and time on your gear.
43:25
I apologize. That must have been really
43:26
stressful. And I'm sorry that you you
43:27
wasted that time and money. Nah.
43:32
OK, If I had been on the ball and had done this and spent the
43:40
hundreds and thousands of gold to like get this going and I had
43:44
completed a bunch of dungeons and stuff and then it gets swept
43:48
out from underneath me. One, I would have kept my old
43:51
gear because I know that this wasn't going to last long. 2 I
43:56
still think that journey is fun. It is part of the reason that I
43:59
love playing on PTR when things are changing or on the beta when
44:02
things are changing. I I wish that there were, there
44:08
were some things in the game that still allowed you to go
44:15
into the weeds with your character.
44:17
Like yes, we've simplified or streamlined rotations and and so
44:25
forth, but some of that, some of the stuff that you go into for
44:31
your rotation in that is kind of cool.
44:36
When it's arcane, it's casting Elemental blast in AOE because
44:43
you want to keep up that buff, because that buff actually
44:45
translates out to more DPS over a certain period of time.
44:48
Instead of the game being like, here's a buff that says you
44:51
should cast elemental blast all this all the time.
44:54
It is the like switching your rotation in three to four
44:58
targets or two to three targets in the middle of a fight because
45:03
that's what the paladins ask of you.
45:08
There's I think that like mastery of the game can allow
45:14
you to dig deeper into stuff. Can't allow you to like really
45:21
enjoy min maxing. I just think the problem with
45:24
this particular example was that it was too rewarding and
45:29
required too much effort. I would bring down the effort
45:32
and I would bring down the rewards and then I would have
45:34
been happy with it. Oh.
45:36
Yeah. And I, I think so this is
45:37
nothing I did, but I know this, that sort of like gamesmanship
45:41
was something that was happening a lot in the I think was the
45:43
time walking community, which I actually think I know that they
45:46
nerfed. And I know people were really
45:47
upset about that. And I think that that was really
45:49
sad, right. Again, as someone who's never
45:51
done it, I saw how like devastated my time walking
45:53
friends were. And I think especially in
45:55
something that doesn't really, like hurt people, like, you
45:58
know, it's not as intensive, like people don't have their
46:02
career set on it doesn't sort of bully you into going a certain
46:06
direction. I think having opportunities for
46:08
people who like that sort of weird gamemanship is really,
46:11
really positive. I think this one was obviously
46:15
not what they meant. And I think that's why like, I,
46:18
I, I, yeah, of course they, they nerfed it.
46:22
Sorry, I'm still being very mean.
46:23
I don't. I genuinely I that's I don't.
46:25
Think any of that was mean you. I'll let you know when you start
46:29
getting on the mean, but keep, yeah.
46:30
OK, beautiful. But, but, but yeah, like I, I, I
46:34
think that the, the other thing is actually, now that I'm
46:37
thinking of it, I, I do think that as much as I want that
46:40
opportunity for gamesmanship, I really don't think it can be
46:43
like the core gameplay because I don't think most people in World
46:46
of Warcraft are comfortable. Well, OK, I'm gonna finish my
46:50
sentence then I'm gonna immediately count contradict my
46:52
own sentence. I don't think the most people
46:54
who play World of Warcraft are really comfortable with the idea
46:57
of like, Oh yeah, you could do 2% more damage, but it's really
47:01
stressful and hard. So you don't have to do it
47:03
right. I think that everyone is going
47:04
to see what is sad is their top rotation and their top whatever.
47:07
And they're going to be like, well, I guess I have to do that
47:08
and it sucks and I hate it. So I hate this game.
47:11
That said, I'm very much on record saying things like, you
47:14
know, if you like, I think the World of Warcraft put it can put
47:17
on as many time limited amounts as they want.
47:19
And I don't think that it's World of Warcraft's problem.
47:22
Like I, I don't think that they should like, you know, really do
47:24
the like dopamine hacking of people.
47:27
But I, I think that it, it's OK for there to be things that like
47:31
maybe some people are going to engage with maladaptively.
47:34
And I think that's kind of not necessarily the World Warcraft
47:38
team's problem to like keep you from engaging maladaptively.
47:41
You know what I'm saying? So I guess I don't know, I I
47:45
doubt that they would put anything like this in the core
47:47
game that requires that level of like intensive min maxing.
47:52
I don't think it would be super healthy for the game.
47:54
But the more I talk, the more I'm kind of unconvincing myself
47:57
that I think would be an inherently bad idea or
47:59
inherently negative. So yeah, I guess that's above my
48:03
pay grade. I too miss zoning into a time
48:08
walking dungeon and finding myself gifted with a beautiful
48:11
twink. That hard Gary's hard Gary's the
48:14
run twinks. If you're out there, we miss you
48:17
at 4 hours or off. It's.
48:19
Prime month. The trick?
48:20
It's gone, yeah. Yeah, the trick is gone.
48:23
We're moving on. We're going to talk about a new
48:25
thing now. This.
48:25
I'm actually excited about this because this is, I raid with the
48:30
big one of the bigwigs developers.
48:32
I think he's the one who's like the first developer anyway, one
48:34
of the bigwigs developers. I raid with him and at the start
48:36
of the season I said, hey, with Wicor is gone, it would be
48:40
really nice if I could change the name of the spells and the
48:44
timers, but I can put them to things that I want to call them
48:48
and that I can understand them easier.
48:50
And he said we're not built for that.
48:52
We would, it would require like a complete rewrite of a lot of
48:55
the stuff that we have and it's not something we can do right
48:58
now. And I said, OK, cool, 'cause
49:00
they rename the abilities themselves.
49:02
And most people just get used to the bigwigs, you know, avoid
49:05
howl cast being called orbs. They have good names across the
49:08
board that they name things, but little did I know that asking
49:14
for that and I'm certain other people asked for it as well, but
49:16
asking for that sparked in them the desire to see if they could
49:19
make it happen. And this week they announced
49:22
that yes, in fact, they can make it happen.
49:24
You can now. And I think DBM also has its
49:27
functionality. I'm not 100% though I don't use
49:29
DBM, but you can now. It does OK on Bigwigs, change
49:34
the name of the spell that shows up in the bar.
49:37
So instead of having it called Void Howl, you could call it
49:42
orbs or you could write spread and if ability is on you, you
49:48
can change what it says as well. But for example you know you
49:51
could have it say soak or stack or dodge if you have a fear on
49:57
you or something like that. Though this is huge.
50:00
And you can also individually change the timers of when
50:03
certain spells appear, but there's ones that are more
50:05
important for you. This is is functionality that
50:07
is, is like a direct lift from the days of week auras.
50:11
And it's something I was very excited to see announced, but I
50:14
don't know that everybody on the panel was excited about it.
50:19
Lex, how do you like, are you going to make any use of this?
50:23
Do you use Bigwigs or do you use DBMI?
50:25
Use DBMI. Probably am not because I'm very
50:29
lazy. I do think and I to be fair, I
50:33
think I must have missed or like have like tuned out the moment
50:36
that they allowed DBM and bigwigs to rename abilities
50:40
since that was something early on they were like hard set
50:42
against. It does sort of feel hot take.
50:47
I know on this podcast it does sort of feel like we did a bunch
50:50
of fuss and a bunch of stress and pissed everyone off a lot
50:53
and now we are back in the same position as we were, you know, a
50:57
season ago, except now everything's a little bit worse
50:59
and a little bit less accessible and a little bit harder for
51:02
people to get into. So when I saw this, I rolled my
51:05
eyes as far back in my head as was physical, physically
51:08
possible. And now I know what my skull
51:09
looks like. But this is not new.
51:13
It is not. We knew that this sort of thing
51:15
was happening. We knew that they were like,
51:17
releasing more and more, you know, of the regulations they
51:20
said were, you know, strictly in place.
51:22
So fair enough. Whatever.
51:25
What can you do? Manny, where do you land on
51:28
this? Are you excited about the
51:29
ability to to change these? Did you can theoretically write
51:33
up a whole list? If you were a say a 21st man, or
51:35
you wanted to call for your right team, you could write up a
51:37
whole list of these and export them and dump them wholesale
51:40
onto your raid to make the fights easier.
51:43
So that's what's going to happen.
51:45
They're going to be every content creator, every raid
51:48
leader, every 21st man that's going to that's going to say
51:52
like, here's your package for the raid and we're going to
51:55
rename whatever whatever it was called, Azeroth's mystical fart,
52:00
whatever. It's now going to be dodge
52:03
frontal. And so you'll see it coming on
52:05
your board. It says dodge frontal.
52:06
I wonder what I'm supposed to do about that.
52:08
I don't know what that move is, but I'm not going to think about
52:10
it anymore because it's going to say dodge frontal and then
52:13
Sean's going to come into my ear and just say, oh, dodge frontal.
52:18
I'm like, OK, and that's that's it.
52:22
Long and short of it, I guess. Blizzard, I want two things from
52:28
you. One is any functionality that
52:32
you give to an add on you need to put into the base game.
52:35
And two, I now need a water cooler talk or a long form talk
52:41
about where exactly you want functionality to because it's
52:45
not where you initially said it was anymore.
52:47
And every time Lex has to roll her eyes into the back of her
52:51
head, it's on you guys now. So like they need to give an
52:54
update and let us know where this is going so that there's
52:58
some feedback to this conversation.
53:02
I played this entire tier without add-ons like DBM, like
53:09
the bigwigs. I think that you can get away
53:13
with it at a heroic level rating and at the level of mythic plus
53:18
that I am hitting the wall of now.
53:22
And I think you can go a little bit further if you are more
53:26
coordinated or better organized of a team.
53:30
But why would you make it harder on yourself?
53:33
Like at this, that's a great question.
53:34
I want to actually bring it back to Lex because that's something
53:37
I want to say. Lex, your team went in with the
53:40
intention of not using anything and then realized we we need to
53:44
install this. And I think you mentioned we've
53:48
all sort of noticed that there's been this tier has been
53:50
especially hard on tanks. If you're a new tank, good luck.
53:54
But it's been especially hard on tanks.
53:56
This can help fix all of that as well.
53:59
So is that not, does it not make this like an inherently good
54:04
thing that this will make it so that people who previously were
54:06
able to clear raids easily and now clear rage whether if
54:10
they're struggling? Yeah, and I listen, I I on the
54:14
one hand, I kind of know that I'm punishing the behavior I
54:16
want, right, like I never was like super pro the add on
54:21
apocalypse, as they say. And I think I'm also like
54:25
there's a part of me that's a little bit grumpy that they
54:28
assign dev work to things that don't really matter anymore.
54:33
Although I guess Manny also does make a fairpoint that the the
54:35
other way they can fix this is they can say no, you guys, but
54:38
we said the whole time isn't what we want is you don't need
54:42
the add-ons to do things. So now you can also rename them
54:45
on the, the core gameplay, right?
54:47
I think that will be fair, right?
54:51
I, I, I don't personally know that I agree that it was a big
54:54
deal that almost everyone felt like they needed to download an
54:56
add on. I also don't know they've
54:57
necessarily fixed the fact that most people feel like they need
55:00
to download an add on. But if they really, really want
55:02
to say, well, I guess this is fine if you guys are going to do
55:07
all these insane stuff until you can make it happen.
55:09
I think there there is a a valid compromise which is putting in
55:12
the court gameplay. So so is it is it am I unhappy
55:16
that this ability exists again? No am I frustrated that the
55:20
Blizzard team has been kind of like messy with this?
55:26
Yes. Am I like again, I'm not like
55:30
mad. I mean I, I, I'm frustrated with
55:33
this situation. I think it's silly.
55:35
I I mostly I mostly am I rolly right?
55:36
I mostly just think this is ridiculous and it makes them
55:39
look kind of silly and the back and forth and lack of clarity
55:42
and like, oh, all of a sudden it is substantially more powerful
55:44
to have DBM and big wigs like that.
55:48
It doesn't make me like want to quit the game, but it makes me
55:50
roll my eyes. I didn't weakens whatever
55:54
argument they were making before.
55:57
So no, I do I think it's negative.
55:58
No, I think it's, I think it's good.
56:00
I think this is the thing that people really wanted and I think
56:02
that's going to make things easier.
56:03
And I think it is good, especially since it has, I mean,
56:08
I know my team has been having trouble with this tier.
56:10
I don't know how it is in general.
56:12
It is felt challenging and you know, it's kind of felt like you
56:15
need a a coder who's writing you add-ons on the fly.
56:20
So no, I think it's good for the game.
56:23
I just think it's silly. Yeah, yeah, Manny, we're going
56:28
to end the show with the most positive topic we've had in
56:34
months. But before we do, would you like
56:37
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58:15
Out. I'm grateful for the hate
58:16
listeners too. I know you're out there.
58:17
I hate listen. I'm a good hate listener.
58:19
I'll hate listener. I'll hate watch.
58:21
Not a full time hate listener. I hate watcher of shows.
58:23
But I will occasionally do it and I get it.
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And I'm hoping that we're giving you the material that you need
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to keep you fueled 'cause you matter too.
58:32
Got me angry. And if I piss you off and that's
58:34
making you happy, I'm happy for you.
58:37
Lex, I can't imagine who would possibly be upset by you, just
58:41
like I can't imagine who would be possibly upset by our next
58:44
topic. It's June.
58:46
It's a new month. That means traders post, but I
58:51
think this month we should call it foreign post.
58:55
Manny, why don't you take us into this?
58:58
All right, so horrible puns aside, I really do love.
59:02
Yeah, that's not like, OK, it was like, it was a good segue,
59:08
but the humor. Was the show.
59:12
Like you got to give him points for one and then I, I, I don't
59:17
know, it's a wash. Anyways, this this month we have
59:22
a new traders post as always, and the theme is around the sun
59:26
walkers, the torn paladins. It is fantastic one because this
59:33
is a hugely underserved niche of Warcraft, both the torrents and
59:40
especially the torrent Palin, the sun walkers and the priests
59:43
as well. Like the torrent priests are
59:45
don't get much love, but they're not part of this.
59:47
I think that this is the best way to quickly inject some of
59:55
that stuff before they can like like without having them to like
59:59
shoehorn it in the story. And it's amazing that they came
1:00:02
here. I actually would have expected
1:00:03
it earlier back when we were initially leveling and we had
1:00:08
the Sun Walker that was part of the Aerothorse storyline, but he
1:00:15
didn't get this outfit. But now you guys do.
1:00:18
It also includes multiple weapons, both one handed and two
1:00:23
handed swords, one handed and two handed axes.
1:00:27
Back pieces torrent only or high mountain torrent right and two
1:00:33
sunrock mounts that are clearly paladin torrent paladin
1:00:38
inspired. These mounts are the first
1:00:41
mounts to have a dismount animation, which is I'm hoping
1:00:47
the first of many I love it I love it.
1:00:49
Have you guys been on it? I for those people who don't
1:00:53
stock up on as many tenders as possible, I feel sorry for you
1:01:01
guys because there's just so many good things in this in my
1:01:04
opinion. Yeah I bought both of the armor
1:01:07
sets. I don't play a torrent but I
1:01:09
might. I mostly don't play torrents
1:01:11
because I think all trans mug looks awful on them, but this
1:01:14
trans mug looks dope. I have one complaint.
1:01:19
Where's the shield? It's the sun.
1:01:21
Walkers are paladins, I assume they're not all Retribution
1:01:25
paladins, and some of them might be holy paladins, some of them
1:01:28
might be direction paladins. But there's no torrent themed
1:01:31
shield. I want like a big tree or
1:01:35
something on my arm. Give me a torrent shield.
1:01:38
There's some from BFA that are going to be close that'll
1:01:40
probably do the job. And I'll actually the Maruk
1:01:43
Shields from Dragonflight are also pretty good for torrents.
1:01:48
You can get some really nice ones.
1:01:49
Yeah, there's one with fur that looks pretty good.
1:01:51
But yeah, it, it looks amazing. It's, it's, it's really good.
1:01:55
And there was even some new lore that got like sprinkled in
1:01:58
there. And that is when you mix lore in
1:02:01
with the trading post that that's really exciting stuff.
1:02:04
I, I'm a huge fan. I don't buy the mounts.
1:02:07
I'll get the one for completing the traders thing, the trader's
1:02:10
journey or whatever it's called. But yeah, it's, it's huge.
1:02:14
I'm really excited. I have a friend who's a shaman
1:02:17
only or a torrent only. All of his characters are cows.
1:02:20
And I sent him the picture of the arm and I was like, this
1:02:22
looks dope. And he said we have very
1:02:24
different ideas of what is dope, but he's wrong because it's
1:02:30
amazing. 10 out of 10, no notes but one note.
1:02:34
Where's my sheet? That is a really fair point,
1:02:36
because many of the like one of the axes could have very easily
1:02:39
been a shield. It wouldn't have anywhere.
1:02:43
Yeah, OK, Maybe they redo, maybe they redo the model and
1:02:47
repurpose it as a shield. As long as they don't take away
1:02:49
an axe. Sorry, I apologize.
1:02:52
It took me a second. I was like, no, no, take my axe.
1:02:54
Those axes. I am, I guess, the opposite of
1:02:58
Sean. I went for the mount and then I
1:03:00
was like, well, I got it like this, these weapons and such.
1:03:04
I gotta I gotta the Torin Heritage armor in my which is
1:03:11
obviously built from the ground up for torrents, I think is one
1:03:14
of the best heritage armors in the game bar none and I'll.
1:03:19
Have to check. It out and I do agree with Sean
1:03:22
that much. Much of the armor that gets put
1:03:26
onto a torrent just gets it just looks deformed when you put onto
1:03:31
the torn model. So it's great when you get these
1:03:35
pieces that like work for torn. They also work well for dwarves
1:03:39
strangely enough. Something about the way that
1:03:41
they come together. So even if you are not into
1:03:45
torrents, check this out. It is cool if you guys could
1:03:52
like to say next time come around and do more stuff for
1:03:55
this particular class race combo, who do you, who would you
1:04:00
like to shine the light on or whatever power that they that
1:04:04
they go with? That's a great question.
1:04:08
For me I would like to see more stuff done for meccanomes.
1:04:15
Now I don't know which which like class I would want to mix
1:04:21
with the mecanome race. Definitely not warrior, but I
1:04:24
just feel like mecanomes don't get explored enough.
1:04:26
I'd like to see them like do something with like magic like
1:04:29
like maybe tubes and stuff that like work for like mecano mages
1:04:33
or and stuff like how did they bridge that gap?
1:04:39
And I'd love to see that like show depicted in like armor
1:04:43
stuff and and weapons and so forth.
1:04:45
So I know mecanomes don't have druids, but like if you wanted
1:04:48
to do mecanomes druids and then did like transmog stuff for
1:04:52
that, I'd like that would be insane to me.
1:04:54
But I think this is a great way of like exploring those themes
1:04:57
more. So with that in mind, I'm going
1:05:00
to throw this to you Lex first, which, what class, race, combo
1:05:06
would you want to see explored a little bit?
1:05:08
Class race combo. I'm not I, I I might race would
1:05:11
definitely be Valpira. I think they were one of the
1:05:13
most like anticipated and loved races when we were getting the
1:05:18
allied races and I think they were kind of dropped like a hot
1:05:21
potato, which is really sad because I think they were cool
1:05:25
and cute and they're fun. I don't know what, I guess it's
1:05:33
maybe Rogue I, I I don't know exactly what I don't even know
1:05:35
if there are they're surely they're volpier.
1:05:37
Rogues. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:05:39
I, I don't know exactly which one.
1:05:40
And I think part, I think that's kind of part of the issue.
1:05:42
I don't know that Volpiera have a a super strong ongoing racial
1:05:52
conversation in the lore I guess.
1:05:54
Yeah, they don't have their defined kit, so you don't know
1:05:56
how that would influence a class.
1:05:58
Right, exactly, exactly. So I, I think Volpier would be a
1:06:01
really good, I think that's one thing that they need to explore
1:06:03
in general, honestly. OK.
1:06:07
Easy for me. I want dwarf warriors.
1:06:10
And let me tell you why I know what you're thinking.
1:06:12
That's boring. Let me tell you why we could do
1:06:15
two different types. We need iron forge weapons and
1:06:19
Shields and armor. We don't have an iron forge
1:06:21
shield that was released after classic.
1:06:23
It just doesn't exist. The brewfest shield is the
1:06:25
closest you're going to find. But I I want I want dwarf
1:06:29
warriors because you can do iron forge like city guard, big plate
1:06:33
wearing, you know, shield wall kind of guys.
1:06:37
But you could also do wild hammer warriors and get them
1:06:40
done up in feathers with the war paint and have it be very
1:06:43
minimalistic and like Viking ask.
1:06:47
Yeah, because dwarfs need things custom made for them because
1:06:52
they have that weird little paunchy belly that makes all
1:06:55
pants and belts and skirts look ridiculous.
1:07:01
Ate it. OK.
1:07:03
Yeah, Dwarf warriors. OK, give me some Wild Hammer
1:07:06
mug. I'd almost want to say dwarf
1:07:12
shamans before dwarf warriors because like the wild hammer,
1:07:17
you haven't actually explored a lot of that and that shamanistic
1:07:20
stuff would then pull into it. I don't think there's.
1:07:23
Some more shaman things in the game.
1:07:25
That's. Crazy, I can't believe you'd
1:07:29
have that opinion. I know.
1:07:31
OK, you know what? Fine.
1:07:32
I'll. I'll switch it up.
1:07:33
I'll switch it up. Dwarf what?
1:07:37
What dwarfs? Also, do you know what dwarf
1:07:39
demon hunters? Oh man, I've never seen.
1:07:41
That would be sick. I if if we made Demon hunters
1:07:44
more racially inclusive, I think that'd be very fun.
1:07:46
I think little. Stumpy guys.
1:07:51
They turn into like those little treasure goblins out of Diablo.
1:07:55
It's like random war for this. This is you're making a mockery
1:07:59
now. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you
1:08:01
so much for spending the time with us today.
1:08:02
We really do appreciate it. We're going to be back next week
1:08:04
with more news. One week closer to 12 point O
1:08:07
.7. Will I have made it to level 15
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in Final Fantasy 14? We won't talk about it, but I
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might have. But until next time, may all
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your heads be crits.