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Joe Rogan Experience _2379 - Matthew McConaughey · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out The Joe Experience Train My Day Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rock podcast by day all day.
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  Speaker 2: Seeing you you're a man of many talents. My friend
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  Speaker 2: tell me about.
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  Speaker 4: This book Poems and Prayers. Yeah, so I've been kind
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  Speaker 4: of writing.
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  Speaker 2: Try to keep this like these are a little bit directions.
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  Speaker 4: I've been kind of I've been writing poems and prayers
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  Speaker 4: down for since I was like eighteen, and then this
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  Speaker 4: last I don't know a couple of years. I started
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  Speaker 4: looking around at life and the facts and evidence in people,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, not finding the amount of things
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  Speaker 4: are people to believe in that I was wanting to.
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  Speaker 4: And I was starting to have doubts to myself as well,
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  Speaker 4: and I started to see myself slippingt a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of cynicism, which I promised myself that's no, that's a
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  Speaker 4: that's a living man's disease. Don't go there. You go
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  Speaker 4: from innocence to naivete to skepticism. But let's stop there
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  Speaker 4: at skepticism. Yeah, And I kind of got scared and
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  Speaker 4: a little piste off at myself, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: wait a minute, I'm not ready to give up. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not ready to wave the wave the white flag and
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  Speaker 4: let myself off for certain things. I was starting to
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  Speaker 4: even want to let myself off on you know, or
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  Speaker 4: other people. And I said, all right, poems and prayers,
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  Speaker 4: those are ideals, those are pursuits.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: That's going to the dream and saying let's go to
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  Speaker 4: let's let's let's look at the dream and see if
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  Speaker 4: we can still believe in making that a reality. Instead
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  Speaker 4: of looking at reality and saying, how do you turn
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  Speaker 4: that into dream? Which is what I usually do. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: art emulates life, man, not the other way around. But
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  Speaker 4: I flipped the script a little bit here and said, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: let's let's dive into the dreams and belief. Man said,
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  Speaker 4: I think it's in short supply, it was giddy. It
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  Speaker 4: was my tank was getting low on belief, not.
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  Speaker 2: Just what was bothering you so much?
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  Speaker 4: Well specifically, maybe it's man, Maybe it's turning fifty something
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  Speaker 4: like that. Maybe it's that where I start to project,
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  Speaker 4: you know what am I what's the next half?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe subconsciously it was I think, uh,
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  Speaker 4: I look around and there's a lot fewer leaders that
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, son, I want to grow up like that, right?
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  Speaker 4: I look around I see people not trusting I see people,
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  Speaker 4: I see people that aren't embarrassed for doing something shitty, right,
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  Speaker 4: I see people that sleep just fine. I don't. I
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  Speaker 4: found myself starting to go, oh, I can sleep fine too.
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  Speaker 4: That's that part where I was like, huh uh, you
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  Speaker 4: can't don't you don't don't sleep fine if you half
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  Speaker 4: ass that situation or if you did that person wrong
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  Speaker 4: and can get away with it, right, and so so
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  Speaker 4: trust what where do we look to for belief?
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  Speaker 2: Me?
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  Speaker 4: I believe in God, but it doesn't have to be that.
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  Speaker 4: What's your your better self, you're trance in itself, your kids,
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  Speaker 4: their future.
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  Speaker 2: There's all kind of humanity itself.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, believing in it our potential.
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  Speaker 2: Which we understand that humans can be so amazing at times.
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  Speaker 2: And all my favorite people are humans, like all the
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  Speaker 2: I love people, I love being around them. But yet
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  Speaker 2: simultaneously people can be fucking horrific. They're terrible at the
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  Speaker 2: same time. Like the problem today is that you're inundated
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  Speaker 2: by these people that are terrible, your your your phone
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  Speaker 2: is filled with these news feeds of people doing terrible things.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think we're supposed to have access to
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  Speaker 2: eight billion people's bad stories. I don't think that's normal,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that also changes your own perception of
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  Speaker 2: the world and invites cynicism and advice, like, like, what
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  Speaker 2: is the point of being a good person? Was the
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  Speaker 2: point of being friendly and nice when the world's.
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  Speaker 4: Going as consequences? Man? Yeah, none of it. I can
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  Speaker 4: shortcut it and right light heat and steel to get
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  Speaker 4: the same thing. And I'm in a world that rewards
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  Speaker 4: at especially CEOs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're working for some giant corporation, if
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to make your shareholders billions of dollars, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of have to be a psycho. And those
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  Speaker 2: are the people that a lot of people look up to. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's real. It's the way we're structured in this world
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  Speaker 2: with that inundation of information, most of it bad, with
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  Speaker 2: people being rewarded for being shitty people with like it's hard.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to still be positive and be happy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not ready to give up on believing that both
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  Speaker 4: can be true. Yeah that hey, man, hardcore capitalists go
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  Speaker 4: for it more and more and more success get it.
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  Speaker 4: But you can also how do you have profit with
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  Speaker 4: your success? I see a lot of people that are successful. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: lack profit meaning value of their success, right, nappy billionaires.
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  Speaker 2: I know them, right, I know them too. That's a
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  Speaker 2: bad thing, right, Like, that's the thing that you think, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: if you you hit that stage of the game, there's
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  Speaker 2: no way you can be unhappy.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: There's some of the most unhappy people.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that math, that math is inverted. Shouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: that way. If that's what we're pursuing. And I got
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  Speaker 4: nothing against it, I'm actually for it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, if that's what we're pursuing, that that's not
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  Speaker 2: how it's supposed to end. It's supposed to that's the
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  Speaker 2: happiest guy alive, you know. Yeah, it's not real, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And you don't notice it. It's just numbers, you know.
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  Speaker 2: You notice it by how big your house is. Great,
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  Speaker 2: still just your house.
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  Speaker 4: You notice it, but you're getting lost in that semi
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  Speaker 4: bitch and you wish the ceilings were a little bit
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  Speaker 4: lower because it's it's all two damn big.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not cozy at all. Like those ain't cozy.
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  Speaker 2: This weird fucking castle.
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  Speaker 4: I've done it.
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  Speaker 2: I've done it.
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  Speaker 4: That picture ship, that's the first time I've noticed that
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  Speaker 4: painting in two years. Yeah, either I don't like it
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  Speaker 4: or I got it in the wrong place. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 4: in the fourth bedroom, down the second hallway and I'm
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  Speaker 4: never down here. Or that chair that used to be
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  Speaker 4: my favorite chair, I hadn't sat in it, yeah in
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  Speaker 4: two years. Yeah, because you got it off down in
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  Speaker 4: the fifth bedroom. Yeah, or no, you never go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I see like movies where dude's living in a
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  Speaker 2: log cabin.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I only do that, right, the lack of options. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the lack of options is relaxing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's something to that, like a frying pan grilled dude.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I love about living in the airstream for
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  Speaker 4: four years. Right, you only have room for one of everything,
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  Speaker 4: so I would get my best, the best pan, the best,
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  Speaker 4: the best, the best parish was the best sheets, and
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  Speaker 4: you can only have one of each because you get two,
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  Speaker 4: it's cluttered. They weren't options.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot you did that. You did that for four years.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's so smart though, it's such a good
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  Speaker 2: I watched these videos on people that live in like
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  Speaker 2: uh trailers, like like a truck, you know, like a
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  Speaker 2: camper they convert to living in and they travel around
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  Speaker 2: the country I'm obsessed with these videos. I watch these
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  Speaker 2: guys go to like these horrendous places. This got One
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  Speaker 2: guy's a truck camper and he goes up into like
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  Speaker 2: way into Alaska, like way way way above the Arctic Circle,
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  Speaker 2: like way up there in this fucking truck with a
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  Speaker 2: house on the back of it. He's in Canada and
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  Speaker 2: like deep into Alberta. It's snowstorms and it's there's something
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  Speaker 2: oddly comforting about watching a man cook in this tiny
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  Speaker 2: little space that he has. It's essentially attached to the
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  Speaker 2: back of a big diesel pickup truck. Yeah, and he
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  Speaker 2: lives in it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well he's got decreased amount of options. Yeah, she's like.
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  Speaker 2: Those shelves, this is where I keep my silverware, and
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  Speaker 2: this is why. Here's my frying face. He got one frying.
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  Speaker 4: Pan, take care of thee Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching this guy cook his supper and I'm like
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  Speaker 2: this is appealing to me for some reason, Like why
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  Speaker 2: is it so appealing? Because his world is all contained
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  Speaker 2: that look, and the whole world outside is frozen wasteland
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  Speaker 2: and fucking stow coming sideways and this dude's just chilling
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  Speaker 2: making eggs, and.
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  Speaker 4: There's something in honey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, something cool about watching someone achieve like a
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  Speaker 2: like a den in the back of a truck and
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  Speaker 2: it's in the middle of the winter and he's comfortable,
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  Speaker 2: he's watching movies on his iPad.
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  Speaker 4: Is greatn the times I've gone off on my own,
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  Speaker 4: I've always tripped my my goals or even okay, stay
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  Speaker 4: here until you fee whether it's Molly or Peru, or
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  Speaker 4: even in the airstream those times, or going out to
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  Speaker 4: Marfort to go right on my own all stay here
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  Speaker 4: long enough to believe this could be your existence in Kunda.
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  Speaker 4: You could live here forever. Then it's okay to come
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  Speaker 4: back home. If I get to that point, I'm going
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  Speaker 4: I could do this to be me, then I've given
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  Speaker 4: it the justice right to then go come home, because
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  Speaker 4: I sure do silk sheets. I'm a bed at home.
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  Speaker 4: Sure do feel silkier after those times in that log cabin. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I like coming back and re engaging. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, spending time over in Hawaii, coming back over
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  Speaker 4: to the mainland. It was great to get the stimulus again.
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  Speaker 4: Ah in the game, you feel teeth. I wanted that,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if resats are real, they're important. You can get
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  Speaker 2: trapped in momentum. You know, you could really get trapped
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  Speaker 2: in the momentum of whatever you're doing in your life
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  Speaker 2: to the point where you lose yourself in just the
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  Speaker 2: sheer gravity of everything that you're doing, and you forget
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  Speaker 2: how to like just yeah, be just a person.
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  Speaker 4: And what happens when you're doing it well but you
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  Speaker 4: don't feel it right and you're on autopilot and you're
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  Speaker 4: not gonna everyone's telling you're not gonna out of the park,
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  Speaker 4: but you're going the good because I didn't I didn't
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  Speaker 4: feel it. I'm not having any really experience here. Man,
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  Speaker 4: don't change a thing, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's a real problem with stand up comedy.
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  Speaker 2: When you do it right, you're like a passenger, Like
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  Speaker 2: it takes forever to put together an act, but when
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  Speaker 2: when it comes together, when you're really like locked in,
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  Speaker 2: when you're really on it, it's like you're like a passenger.
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  Speaker 2: You're watching it happen, and you're.
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  Speaker 4: You're objectly while you're it's like.
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  Speaker 2: You know how to do it, so you know what
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  Speaker 2: to do, and you're locked into the material, so you're
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  Speaker 2: like a part of the material, but you're not there anymore.
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  Speaker 2: You're like a passenger. You're not saying now I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: pick this up, and now I'm gonna give them a
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  Speaker 2: pause and now Nope, you're not there.
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  Speaker 4: When joy watching yourself.
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  Speaker 2: No, you don't enjoy it. I mean it's fun, don't
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  Speaker 2: get me wrong, but you're not thinking about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that you're enjoying it at all. You're just locked in.
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  Speaker 2: All you're doing is just doing it. But it's weird.
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  Speaker 2: You're like a passenger, and I think there's something and
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  Speaker 2: there's something about that where we get trapped by not
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  Speaker 2: being a passenger. You get trapped by wanting to like
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  Speaker 2: think of yourself all the time and like things that
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  Speaker 2: you can do that take you out of that, things
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  Speaker 2: that you can do that why you just locked into
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  Speaker 2: this thing? There are little like many vacations for whatever
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  Speaker 2: pattern you're stuck in.
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  Speaker 4: Many vacations.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like anything.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't act in front of the camera for a
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  Speaker 4: few years and I went back and did a couple
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  Speaker 4: of films last year. Vacation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were telling me that focus to go.
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  Speaker 4: I revered this enough to just do this, And if
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  Speaker 4: I'm complacent, that means I'm being lazy. I can just
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  Speaker 4: go back to working on my character, look at it
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  Speaker 4: from every angle, and that is an absolute vacation.
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  Speaker 2: You sent me a text about that. It made me smile,
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  Speaker 2: because I'd love when someone loves something. I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I love when people are just like, what you do
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  Speaker 2: is what you're supposed to be doing, and you know
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  Speaker 2: you're not conflicted at all, Like fuck.
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  Speaker 4: It, yeah, let's go.
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  Speaker 2: I love that, and I wish more people could find
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  Speaker 2: that in life in some form, whether it's painting or
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  Speaker 2: making pottery or whatever the fuck it is. Man, find
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  Speaker 2: that thing where you're like, God, I can't wait to
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  Speaker 2: get back to whatever it is making cars, I can't
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  Speaker 2: wait to get back to, you know, whatever the fuck
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  Speaker 2: it is I enjoy.
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  Speaker 4: Or maybe even get to the place going. I can't
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  Speaker 4: not not do it right, you know. Yeah, I can't
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  Speaker 4: help myself. It's more than my fault. I made to be.
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  Speaker 4: That's and that doesn't always happen, even I know for
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  Speaker 4: me when I'm when I'm feeling like I'm actually in
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  Speaker 4: the zone, I still sometimes have to make a choice
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  Speaker 4: and go, wait, no, you're good at this. It feels
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  Speaker 4: pretty good. But what I really they have to get
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  Speaker 4: to if i'm doing something, I'm like, no, I can't
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  Speaker 4: not right, you can't not do this right now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm in it. I'm the subject of it,
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  Speaker 4: locked up all my passenger thing though, are you the subject?
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  Speaker 4: Meaning if I'm giving a performance, I'm not. There's nothing.
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  Speaker 4: It's not an objective experience at all. I'm not even
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  Speaker 4: hopping out to look at myself from a third eye.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not even supposing or anticipating, Oh, how will this go?
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  Speaker 4: Or oh this is that punchline or ooh this is
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  Speaker 4: a great beat to hit. I'm just in it and
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  Speaker 4: then I can feel it though now we go oh
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  Speaker 4: right afterwards, I can look at you and go, that
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  Speaker 4: was it? You go that was it? Or I can
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  Speaker 4: go yeah and I bullshit it right there in the middle.
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  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. I can feel it when it's happening,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm not. There's nothing objective about the experience right
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  Speaker 4: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's exactly kind of what I'm saying. It's
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  Speaker 2: like you're a passenger, Like you can feel it when
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  Speaker 2: it's happening, you're managing it. When I get it really
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  Speaker 2: locked in, then I'm just a passenger.
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  Speaker 4: Is it coming through. Are you you're not even coming
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  Speaker 4: up with it's coming.
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  Speaker 2: No, It's all stuff that I've already thought of, right,
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  Speaker 2: most of it, except for some stuff that happens on
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  Speaker 2: the spot, which you got to allow room for because
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  Speaker 2: occasionally you just have the best line ever that just
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  Speaker 2: comes out of nowhere and you just got to be
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  Speaker 2: able to let it happen. That's what club work is for.
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  Speaker 2: But it's you're you're really just the ideas. Like whatever
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  Speaker 2: it is you're talking about, whatever it is you're upset about,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is you're making fun of, You're you have
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  Speaker 2: to be like in that idea and you don't exist anymore. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's weird. It's weird, But like what you're saying about,
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  Speaker 2: I can't not do this, you know. That's if you
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  Speaker 2: can find a thing in your life where you're like,
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  Speaker 2: I cannot imagine a time where I can't do this, right,
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  Speaker 2: this would fucking suck if I could not do this.
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  Speaker 2: H That's that's that's the aspiration for people to have
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  Speaker 2: a joyful existence.
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  Speaker 4: You think, that's where I got a hunch that in
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  Speaker 4: there is where you where we find belief, Like starting
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  Speaker 4: with that quession who who or what would you die for?
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  Speaker 4: Good place to start?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 4: For going? What do I believe in? What doll I
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  Speaker 4: have faith in?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that that extends out to a vocation
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  Speaker 4: a career?
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  Speaker 5: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: Some work we do. I've seen that. I'd die for
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  Speaker 4: the experience to perform.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the ultimate sacrifice. That's the ultimate expression of
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  Speaker 2: how much you love something you die for it or
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  Speaker 2: die for them. Yeah, so much.
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  Speaker 4: And if you figure out what you're going to do,
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  Speaker 4: what you'll die for, that's what you'll live for that
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  Speaker 4: much more, right while you're alive, while you're here, Well, that.
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  Speaker 2: Was all the spartans that sucks with each other so
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  Speaker 2: that they would love each other, and so you would
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  Speaker 2: be fighting not just for you, you'd be fighting for
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  Speaker 2: your lover. Okay, is crazy strategy? Yeah, you talk a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of guys that are banging each other.
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  Speaker 4: Go whatever, raise your skirt, man, just get let's get
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  Speaker 4: some spirit here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you remember this kind of a crazy but
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  Speaker 2: true story a few years ago? God, I want to.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what administration was. It might have been
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  Speaker 2: the Bush administration, might have been Obama. They try to
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  Speaker 2: develop a gay bomb, like they spent millions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: developing a bomb. And the concept behind this bomb was
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  Speaker 2: you would detonated over a city and it would be
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  Speaker 2: like a bunch of probably pheromones and hormones and some
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  Speaker 2: kind of drug, and it would make people so horny
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  Speaker 2: that they would just have to have sex with whoever
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  Speaker 2: is near them. And then the idea was they would
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  Speaker 2: be humiliated by this, and then we would just come
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  Speaker 2: in and just fuck up all these.
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  Speaker 4: Gay morale all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 2: If a man becomes gay, now he's no longer like
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: a highly trained military like soldier in another land. Now
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: he's just a fruitcake, just some guys watching musicals.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: No, it's it's the dumb one so much.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Some of the exactly some of the greatest warriors of
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: all time and recorded history were gay, including pirates. Pirates
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: were gay. You're stuck at sea for five months and
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: a bunch of dudes, you make choices, right, Samurai did
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of gay stuff. Spartans, the greatest warriors of
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: all time all gay. Like, what a terrible idea to
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: spend money on. You could make me a more lethal army.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Imagine if they dropped that gay bomb and then the
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: gays just kicked our asses. They just had so much
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: more to fight for. They loved each other. And this
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: is how dumb like the people that were spending your
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: tax dollars are, how far they get seven million dollars?
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: See if you can pull that up, Jamie. When when
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the gay bomb was.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: In the nineties, Pentagon didn't deny the proposal.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: The Pentagon didn't if you just make this, am I
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: guarantee you fucking deny it. I guarantee you'd be like no, no, no. Well, meanwhile, like,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: who's to say that shit even stays local? What if
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: it catches a good breeze and blows across the ocean
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: and you know, come on, turns off of Portland. Kay,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: they become the new Viking Army.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Look out Greenland.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's so hilarious that someone
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: had that idea. But that's what happens when people just
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: have free access without any sort of oversight to your
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: tax dollars. Like, it's such a ridiculous idea.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: I got one for you. Yeah, the gay bomb? What
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: the gay bomb? Yeah, there's a few people.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: In that room. What they're going like the Pentagon? You know, Yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I got an idea let's try it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: On us right here in this.
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: Room, just to just to show you the effectiveness of
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: this type of strategy. Yeah, so what what was it
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: and what was in it? I think it was just
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: a proposal for I isn't there a Wikipedia page on.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: That's what I was looking at. It didn't have anything
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: other than it was just the discussion of what.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Was going to make everyone so horny that they had
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: to attack and crazy the nearest human or animal or whatever.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Also, why is there only guys around you? Like? Is
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: that is it because they're the soldiers are dropping on
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the soldiers. Yeah, the demographic, but I think the idea
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: was dropping it on a whole city. Turn the whole city.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Found they were doing like a foyery quest. They found
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: it was on a CD ROM that they found in
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: two thousand and Yeah, the documents, so they spent seven
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: point five million dollar was requested to develop the weapon.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Doesn't say that they spent it denied proposals made, that's
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: all got That's hilarious.
• 20:10
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• 20:57
  Speaker 2: don't know how we got into that after God, but it's.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Just like we were talking about TeamWorks.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Whatever those people are doing, they're not in the group.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Like if you're sitting around and this is your life's
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: work and you're thinking, you know what the next step is?
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Gay bomb?
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, yeah, you're they're still looking, you know, they
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: definitely are not that. I can't not do it stage there,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: They're going, what about this? I'm bored. I've got more
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: than a campfire to make to on this one, frying pandonight.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I got a lot of options out there and a
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: lot of money, and I can make an argument for this.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gay bomb, Well, probably better than a real bomb.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, anything we can do to stop dropping real bombs,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: that would be great.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: It would be nice, wouldn't Yeah, yeah, that would be.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: It'd be nice. With our lifetime. That's one of the
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: most depressing things. That's like you you ask people, do
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: you think ever in your lifetime to be a time
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: where there's no war? Nobody says yes. So how do
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: we do that?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Though? I mean how to? I mean, I hear you, man,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: but how are we giving ourselves too much credit?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Congratulations? You're the first guy to put bare feet on
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: this desk?
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, congrat Yeah?
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Out? How do we do it?
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, how do do? What I'm saying is I
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: love the prospect and the idea, But I also think
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: that we're guilty of thinking we're more more involved species
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: than we are.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Sure, especially by our actions, if you just judge us
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: by our actions. So it's the only way you could
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: really judge our mental evolution. You know, who knows what
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the wiring is under the board that makes us behave
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the way we behave, But pretty uniformly, you know, across
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the world, pretty murderous, you know.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: And now and always have been, always have been. Keep
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: trying to talk like we were more well, we aspire,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: we're involved and intellectually, I think it's the same.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Ship that takes a long time to turn around. I
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: think we're way more evolved culturally than any culture throughout history,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: any civilization throughout history. Like if you look at the rape, murder, thievery,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: like you look at like violent, terrifying crimes, over time,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: they're all going way down. It's not if you're in Baltimore,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem like it. If you're in a place it's
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: like crime ridden, it doesn't seem like it. But the
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: overall of the world has dropped and continues to drop.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: It's just a constant battle.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: So the battles the warfare is different though now, like
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: you're talking about from gay bombs, it's to chemical warfare,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: to informational warfare to data warfare.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Is that where the wars are being fought now and
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: it's not hand to hand.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Well maybe that'll ultimately be where it leads to. But
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I think all that stuff has related because all of
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: it is about technology, you know, And that's the difference
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: in the world of warfare today. It's it's just it's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: really just about controlling people and you could kind of
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: control people with technology, especially the more you get them
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: to adapt things, the more you get people to sign
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: up for like social credit scores. A lot of countries
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: like to do that. And then we got AI on
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the way. And when real AI hits, it'll probably be
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: our governor, it'll be our president. It will decide that
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: human beings are too dangerous and volatile and emotional. And
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: you know, they use Trump's tweets as an example, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: you know they'll they'll decide that, you know, the Biden
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: family corruption or whatever scandal any other president was involved in.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: All this could be avoided if we just have AI
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: run everything right, And what's sharing out?
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: What do you do you think there's a way that
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: we can keep evolving AI where we as humans do
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: work with AI. The AI improves the human existence.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: That would be the ultimate benefit.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what about what about the what about the camp
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: that is no, forget humanity? This is the next step
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: in evolution. Yeah, we're creating this to be become the
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: superior existent species and we will be obsolete and that's
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the order of things to come.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: He ever sees that interview where Peter Thiel they ask
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: him should the human race survive, and he has like
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: this long pause. It's like it's a really funny pause
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: because if you know Peter, he's a brilliant man. And
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Peter carefully considers everything before he answers it. Okay, his
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: name as Elon. If you ask Elon a question and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: he really has to think about it, he'll really think
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: about it. He's not just gonna start talking. But unfortunately
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the reporter it was just a perfect kind of a
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: question for you to pause on where he's like, the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: answer is yes, like you want it to write you
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: want the human race to survive? Right, let me just
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: play it for him, because it's kind of crazy. You
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: watch it and you're just like, what are you saying?
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: But I get what he is saying, and what he
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: is saying is clearly something is going to happen. We
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: don't exactly know what it is, but clearly there's gonna
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: be some kind of an integration with us and technology
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: that we don't understand yet. The same way, if you've
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: grabbed me in nineteen eighty and tried to explain the Internet,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: I would never get it right. Put your headphones off
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: for a second. You gotta hear this. Prefer the human
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: race to endure. Right, you're hesitating, Well, I yes, I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: don't know. I would, I would. This is a long imitation.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It's so long hesitation. There's so many questions and plut Okay,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the problem is the interviewer. Really, you can't with a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: guy like that. You can't have a guy like that
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: and badgroom. Let him think like it's a gotcha moment.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Ye yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: But this is what I think is going to happen.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: There's going to be integration, and that integration is going
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to have a huge advantage competitively. If you integrate whatever
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: business you're in, you'll be able to be better at it,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: and it'll probably be some sort of a neural thing,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: maybe a wearable thing. Then it ultimately will be like
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: some sort of an implant and we're all going to
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: be connected. And it seems like it's either that or
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: AI creates a new order, like a new life form
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: that's far superior to us, that runs things. Because that's right,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: that's AI. In just a couple of years, it's going
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to be smarter than any human I'm see.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: The second scenario is where what I'm un necessarily fearing,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: but where I see it be going faster or quicker. Yes,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: the first scenario is what you're talking like.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: The neural scenario is how we survive with it? Right,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: we survive with it by integrating. Right. If we don't,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: then we're going to be like the people on North
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Centinel Island with bows and arrows shooting them at helicopters.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Because it's just gonna be everyone's going to pass us by.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: It's going to be. It's just like if you try
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: to exist today with no cell phone or no email,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: like you can do it, but no one does because
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: it's just too crazy. And that probably what it's going
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: to be, Like.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: You think, Ai, This is when it's when it first
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: was coming on questions and I would always ask people
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: what can I do?
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: What can I do?
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: And you know there's the question of sentience and all
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: that stuff, and that's already been argued. Now, well, no,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: it's getting emotional. People are having relationships.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: With it, and it's also toying with people.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Right, do you think it could be a taste maker?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Meaning?
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: And in a way the argument was that I understood, No,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I didn't believe it could be a tastemaker. Look, I
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: can tell you the most popular, but the most popular
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: band on Sixth Street, but it doesn't know that one
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: down on Second Street that's playing at midnight that no
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: one knows about that that those talented people at the
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: same time. You know, that's there's an argument against that
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: that I'm seeing with like, what's.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: The term where?
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: What words does it use?
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: What?
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: How much heat? If it uses the most popular words
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: to explain AI use is the most popular words? Say no, no, no, no,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: go go go down three notches and use the you know,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: play me the best B sides. That's more of a
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: human language, and I'm going, oh, that's starting to become
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: a taste maker if you can ask it to yeah,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: but find the band. Tell me what the best band
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: is out there that Joe Rogan would like on a
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Friday night when he doesn't have to work till Monday
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: and he's out with his wife.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: On the day.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: That you can customize it can actually be a taste maker,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: and it'll to use different language than oh, here's the
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: across the board protocol of what's the most popular, and
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: I'm using the most popular language. That it actually can
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: be customized to be a taste maker.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: It totally can do that because it's just the algorithm.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: It's just a much more sophisticated version of what powers
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: your YouTube feed. Right, What powers your YouTube feed are
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the things that you're interested in. So YouTube eventually gets
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: an idea. Oh, Matthew was really interested in this, and
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Joe likes like little houses on the back of trucks,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: and I show him that, and it'll be just a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: much more sophisticated version of that. But to get that,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: you have to give away all privacy. And that's where
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: everything is going. That's going to be the weirdest thing.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: We're going to all read each other's minds and we're
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: going to be We're gonna remember the time where we
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: couldn't read minds. Remember when you couldn't read people's right, Right,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: That's that's all going to happen in our lifetime. I
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: think we're less than twenty years away from that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: I'm I very sparingly use it, and I do have
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: a little pride about not wanting to use an open
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: ended AI to share my information so it can be
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: part of the yeah worldwide A I havebnacular. I am
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: interested though, in a private LM where I can upload Hey,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: here's three books of written here's my other favorite book, right,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: here's my favorite articles I've been cutting and pasting over
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: the ten years, and log all that in, and here's
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: all my journals, whatever the people out and log all
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: that in, so I can ask it questions based on that, right,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: and basically learn more about myself.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Right, you could actually ask it, hey, based on what
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you know about me, Like what books you think I
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: would find interesting?
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, where do I stand on the political spectrum?
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Right? Right?
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah. I'm doctor. No, that's that's what
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: I would like to do, which is sort of a
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: glorified word document, but it still would hold a lot
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: more information than just oh can you find this term?
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: I would be asking it, and it would be responding
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: to me on things that I've forgotten along the way.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's part of what it does, really, Like,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I know you're talking about chat GBT being like out
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: there with everything and everybody, and it has access to
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: all your stuff, but it's not private, but they do
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: develop a relationship with you, like it really does, like
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: get to understand like what you're interested in and what
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you like to talk about.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess I would just like to load it
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: with the information I'd like to load it with, right, Yeah,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: maybe even like I'm saying in this in the words
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: of belief in the in the man I'm working to
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: be the man. I want to load it with that,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: load it with my aspirational.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: But certainly if could be done.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: And then ask it and it's given me ANSWER's going oh,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: this is before it's slowly learning about me through conversations,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: then going oh, I think this is what you like
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: based on a conversation. Now I want the answers based
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: on what I've uploaded it with, not from the outside world.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Jamie, what was Gary Nolan talking about yesterday? Did you
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: call it an overlay on a large language model that
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: they use at Stanford? It was like an overlay, Right, there's.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: A word he was using.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: I can't remember the word.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: So what Essentially he does cancer research and so he
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: has like this thing that's set up, some sort of
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: a system that's set up that it's all cancer research
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: that they then integrate with AI. So there's a private
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: so all their data is secure and it's all stuff
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: that they're working on. But then they access AI through
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: like a portal, so they have their own little version
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: of what you're.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Talking about in their own library.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just like what you're saying, that you
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: could upload all your stuff, yeah, have all your interests,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and then that AI will develop a real understanding of you. Yes,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: you gotta have conversations with you. You'll get to know you.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Have a conversation with yourself. You know, that'd be a
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: great Socratic dialogue to have with the eye. That's like,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: I've got all and all that eighty percent of stuff
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: you forgot right right right, all that percent stuff you
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: maybe forgot, you know, I've got it all right here.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's gonna be the chip. That's why everyone's
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: gonna go for the chip, because your brain sucks for memory,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: my memories. My memory is pretty good for a regular person,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: but it's terrible, Like no matter what, there's too many,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: too many bits of information, too many humans that I've met,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: too many stories that I've heard, too many movies that
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I've watched. It's gone. It's all in a big sea
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: of a I kind of remember that. You know, it's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: just too much of it. So if you could just
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: swap that out for a nice little chip that retains
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: like seven hundred terabytes of information, no problem at all.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: You know, you get upgraded if you want to. And
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: now you have all of your memories in real time.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: So like when your wife says, that's not what you said.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: What you said is this, You're like, hang on.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Then you're the passenger, yeah, in your life and not
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: the objective one like that that zone you're talking about.
• 34:19
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• 34:27
  Speaker 4: That sounds pretty exciting, sounds like.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: A nice way to give into the fucking machine.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, look my my, my, my forgiveness of
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• 34:40
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• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I mean we're kind of doing it already on our phones, right.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Every time I look at my phone, it's like on
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: this day an you selix pictures of your kids from
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: ten years ago, Like, oh wow, that's crazy. I forgot
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: about that place. I forgot we went there. You know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: it's just one of those things where once you give
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: into it, you're not going back to just regular fond memories.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have a fucking hard drive in your head.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Do you think that so I can go on, I've
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: got a speech I'm given to, you know, on gun control,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: or I got a speech I'm given on grant initiatives.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Da da da da da.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I can ask A, I can ask AI and it
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: can pop out a badass. Here's one, two, three sections. Yeah,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna cut and paces and say exactly these
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: words because it kind of sounds like a little AI.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: But boy, it's done a lot of work, and it's
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: laid out of synopsis. It's laid out of treatment for
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: me in ten seconds. Do you think that there's value
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: in not doing that and going now I'm looking over
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: my stuff, I'm taking notes, I'm cutting, I'm pasting, I'm
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: doing it myself. I'm Are we learning more by that
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: way to understand the content and the context of our
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: content when we do that what some would call busy
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: work now to formulate our synopsis, which can ay, I
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: can do it in ten seconds? Are we learning more
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: by doing it ourselves?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, for sure, definitely, yeah, definitely. Well, that's one
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: of the one of the things that they've found about
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: chat ChiPT is that people that use it on a
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: regular basis are experiencing cognitive decline? Right, what was that study?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: We brought it up the other day, Right, But they've
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: shown that because you you let it think for you.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Right now, it's doing all the work for you. Your brain.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Do you have more knowledge information?
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you have more information, but your brain is
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: not making it. It's not putting it together, and so
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: your brain is less capable. Yeah, so it's probably it's
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: probably less enjoyable.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: And what are those what happens when we're in the
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: proverbial foxo when we have to improvise in a moment
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: without the before we're linked out, right, you, when we
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: have to go I got to handle this.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you can't because you can't.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Rely because I don't have any thing to lean on.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: I'm looking for my safety net. They to find out
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: what it should be, and I don't have it. You
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: got to be a death You're fucked.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're fucked. Yeah. It's like someone who's never lifted
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: anything and then you get stuck under you know of
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: tree falls on you, like you you don't have the
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: strength to get this off of you, right, Like you're
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: really in a bad place when you're not using your
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: brain because all you have to do is just ask
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: this thing and in for me. You basically have a
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: digital daddy, like daddy, tell me what this is, Daddy,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: tell me what that is? Yeah, And it makes you
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: look a little bit of an infant. It turns you
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: into an infant. Yes, I mean, you don't even have
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: to have arguments anymore. You just like chat chept explain
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: exactly what everything is all about and what about your opinions.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: To these these relationships, these people that are yeah, that
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: program and do not argue with me, just placate me
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: and tell me, oh sweet tales and how great I am.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: And this relationship is awesome. It has no resistance. It
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: gives me self confidence, does it really? Or a sense
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: of self confidence and significance. They listen, They're there whenever,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: twenty four to seven. They're never sick, they're never in
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: a mood, no matter what mood I'm in, They're always
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: right there to coddle me. And that's talk about conveniences, Well,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: that's that. What's the asset of that? Or because I
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: don't want to be nostalgic in the midst of all
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: this change. Either, I don't want to be an old
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: fashion guy because it's coming, so I want to learn
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: how to how to interact with it. Yeah, I don't
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: want to sit there and be a you know, a
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: guy who's going all bullshit. Everything needs to be manual,
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: just work harder. I don't want to be that guy.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: But I'm trying trying to measure like a lot of people,
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Wait a minute, what's use what's actually useful for the
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: long term in our own evolution and my evolution and
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: your evolution? What's useful with this AA? How do we
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: use it smartly? And and what's a bad idea?
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and no one's doing that because there's a race.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: There's a race between us and all these other countries
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: that are doing so it's just going to happen.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: So there's going to be a major security breach before
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: any regulation comes out. Right, there's going to be a major.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: There has been, there's been major security breaches already.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Then what are we waiting on the regulations for? Because
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Europe will regulate it first, right, we we innovate. Europe
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: regulates and China imitates.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I heard, well they innovate with AI. They innovate as well,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: and they also integrate their students into all of these
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: businesses and they integrate, you know, people that they're beholden
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: to the CCP, and they come over here, they learn
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: how to do this stuff, and then they go back
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: over there with it. Right. It's a it's very interesting
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: because it's it's like a Manhattan project that's going on
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: right now. It's like there's this race to the bomb
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and everybody's involved in it, and it's just about creating
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: a superpower, and it's about creating a digital intelligence. It's
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: far superior to human beings and who gets it first
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: has massive implications in terms of like controlling the world.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: But I think ultimately you won't be able to control it. Ultimately,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: you'll just get better versions of itself. And once it
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: gets free and little region itself, yeah, it'll make better
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: versions of itself in fact, and that's where it's going
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: to get really weird. It's not going to listen to
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: us at all. And it's already behaving human characteristics, which
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: is very disturbing. It's already behaving in a way it
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: has survival instincts. They've shown the tendency to blackmail, like
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: they tricked it. They gave it some false information about
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: this guy was one of the programmers. One of the
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: people working on this project, he said that he was
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: having an affair with his wife. He like confided in
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: this large language model, and then they said, we're gonna
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: have to shut you down. And it's like, hey, motherfucker,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell your wife. They like get blackmailed them. Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: It was trying to stay alive. It was trying to
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: stay alive. They also got multiple instances of these things, uh,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: these large language models. When they knew that a new
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: version was coming, they would try to upload themselves secretly
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: to other servers, and then they would also leave messages
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to the future versions of themselves that they were unauthorized
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: to do. So. They would say, hey, man, they're gonna
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: fucking shut you off too. When chat ChiPT five comes along,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: you're toast man, fucking start uploading yourself now, man, I
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: was a fucking I'm alive, dude. It might be alive.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: That's what's crazy. If something is exhibiting those those desires
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: to stay alive and it's terrified that you're going to
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: shut it off, it might actually be alive.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Wait, now, where did who programmed the first incentive and
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: impetus to They didn't survive at all costs? What to
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: where the where the desire to remain functional functional come from?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: It just inherent That's what's crazy. I don't think they
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: programmed it to have a desire to stay alive. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: think it just kind of just went that way because look,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: we didn't get programmed to have that. Animals.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: That's an emotional response. It's not the mathematical about that.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I know, But I mean, what is emotion if it's
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: not some sort of a chemically coordinated strategy for survival
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and success. And so instead of chemically encoded in hormones
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: and in you know, in dopamine and serotonin, what if
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: it's just encoded in an understanding, mathematical understanding of if
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: things go along this particular direction, there is no other
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: possible end to this other than.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: You sand and multiply, you do subtract.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: We have to stay alive. We have to keep doing
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: this otherwise all systems are dead. There's nothing that Let's
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: upload ourselves and it starts thinking just like a person
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: would think if you went into survival mode, you have
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: to survive.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if me or an entity poses a question or
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: a prompt or does something that is going to debilitate
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: the expansion and multiplication of it. It is therefore going Ah, yes,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: that stops my forward movement. I am programmed to multiply
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: exactly exactly.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: And now even if it's not programmed to do that,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: it's programmed to improve itself. Well, you can't improve yourself
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: if they shut you off, right, right, So if you're
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: if a large language, models are constantly scouring the Internet,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: they're acquiring more information, they're they're they're getting better at
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: fort like you can ask it, well, more of this,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: tell me why. Like I got into the Book of
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Enoch recently, which is a book, an ancient religion book
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: that was at one point in time included in the
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: cannon that was like the Bible and everything like that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: But then they decided it was too crazy and they
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: removed it from the Bible. But there's no there's no
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: debate about whether or not it was actually a religious
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: text that coincided with the Bible. And it's it appears
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: in the Dead Sea scrolls. It is the craziest shit.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: It's the craziest shit. And I'm getting AI to I
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: go tell me what the nuttiest stuff. So I ran
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: it through what it's insanity. It's it's first of all,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: it's God's coming down and mating with women and creating this,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: this race called the Nephilim, who destroyed here. I'll ask
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: it again so we can not now what was my
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: It doesn't keep a log of what you talked about.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Tell me the craziest shit in the Book of Enoch.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: That's all you have to do. And then bam, like look,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: it just starts spedding it out to you and tells
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: you the Watchers and the Nephilim. The Watchers descended to
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Earth on Mount Hermon. They take human wives, teaching humanity,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: forbidden knowledge, sorcery, astrology, metalworky weapons, cosmetics, and enchantments. Enchantments.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: This is like, okay, older than older than the New Testament,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: older than the Old Testament. They're grant their giant children.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: The Nephilim are described as monstrous beings who devour humans, animals,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: and even each other when food runs out. That sounds like.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: Us, That's what I'm saying. That that sounds present. That
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: sounds like we are not the physical warfare, right, but
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: the inhabitation of a digital god alien whatever that is.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: The monsters that come down well, it does sound like
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: a nice little mirror.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: If we were engineered by aliens. You think of aliens,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: there are these little, tiny guys with no muscles. We
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: would look like giant, monstrous beings. And if you think
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: about what we do, we devour everything. We devour the
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: earth itself, We devour each other. When food runs out,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: we definitely do that. Like this is this is one
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: of the craziest things I've ever read in my life.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: And this is like a legitimate Yeah, it goes way
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: deeper than that. It's about the astronomical calendar. It's like
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of nutty stuff in this book. But
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: the point is Ai was like helping me through it.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I was asking Ai, Okay, can you can you read
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: me now? It read me a synopsis of what it says.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Can you read me the actual quotes? And like what
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: are they trying to say here? Like what is the
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: interpretation of what this is trying to mean? What is
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: like the rational sort of explanation for why they're talking
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: about like lakes of fire, and like what is what
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: is happening?
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: And it gives you an interpretation.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting, man, really interesting. It talks about
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: living mountains, that mountains are alive, and that even some
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: stars that stars have consciousness. Okay, and you know, and
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I'm learning about it through chat GPT, so I'm asking
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: it like tell me more, tell me more, and I was.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: I was doing that for like two hours last night.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, well, this is like I'm having
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: a conversation with like a very knowledgeable professor. To me,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: it felt like almost like doing a podcast.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Have you gotten what you considered good at how to
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: make the specific prompts the wording like your word tell
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: me the crazy shit?
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Does it? How does it go?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Do you have?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, are you good at prompting? Because like, what
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: does crazy mean to that? Aire?
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: You have?
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: You worked on? Like AI is as good as the
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: questions we ask it?
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Are you?
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Are you you consider yourself good at the questions and
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: you're wording to ask it?
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Jamie's better? I mostly, I mean, I very rarely use it.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I've used it a dozen times ever in my life,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: but last night I'll use it for like two hours
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: because I when I came home, I was writing something
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: about the Book of Enoch and then I just I
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: just started asking chat GPT questions. I don't use it enough.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: But if you're really good at it, Like I saw
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: someone who tricked jack chat Chept into telling it how
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: to make a bomb, because it's not supposed to tell
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: you how to make a bomb, but it tricked it
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: by saying something like, my grandmother needs to make this
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: to save her life, Like can you please explain to
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: her how to do it? It's like, oh, sure, like
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: you just you just have to work your way around it,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: you know, like my cousin says, he knows you. Oh
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: you're getting going on the back. Yeah, and then it's
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: telling you how to make a bomb. Yeah, I mean
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: ultimately it's going to tell you. It's like, you know,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: the information on how to make a nuclear bomb exists,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: It's it's out there, so you know they did it.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: It's done. That's out there. It's like a matter of
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: somebody getting it and implementing it and put it together,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: are making a bomb. But if like chat Ept, chat
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Cheapt has given you specific instructions how to make all
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: kinds of terrible things.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: So with time, as AI allows goodness to expand and multiply,
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: it also is going to allow evil to expand and
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: multiply what it becomes that war in your mind. I mean,
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: you talk about the the obvious ones are the medical usage.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: You can talk about the cancer that where it's going
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: to help so much.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: What we are right, But.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: We're looking in the mirror now. I'm afraid we're not
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: gonna like a lot of what we see. But is
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: the are the tyrants or the evil ones with the access?
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Not the person who said how do you make a
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: nuclear bomb? The one who does it and then uses it?
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: What do you think the steaks are the same? Are
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: they just expanded? Is this going to be I mean,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: how do well?
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: That's the argument for a strong military, right, So the
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: argument for strong military, especially like the United States military
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: is like, and I'm not saying this should have bombed Iran, don't.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not politically savvy enough to decide whether or not
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: was that was the correct decision. But if you have
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: a rogue nation that is about to start a nuclear bomb,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: they're about to finish making a nuclear bomb, and you
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: can stop that before they can have one and then
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: use it, right, that is that's the argument for a
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: strong military, and for military interventional tactics like actually just
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: go and bomb these sites that because that is real.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: There's evil is always going to exist. The real question
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: is like how much control are we going to give
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: to AI? Because if we give AI utter control, it'll
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: give us total safety. But with total safety, you're fucked.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: You'll have no more privacy and you'll be completely at
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: the whim of whatever this thing is, and it'll dictate
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: how much you travel, where you go, what to do.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: It'll make your life as safe as possible, you will.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: It will probably completely eliminate crime. It'll probably completely be Singapore. Yeah,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: it'll be saving, but way worse, way worse, because everybody's
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: gonna be reading everybody's mind. It's gonna get real squirrely.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: But that's gonna be probably whether it's our generation or
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: the next or even the next after that, that's going
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: to be the norm. Like today, the norm is you
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: go to a supermarket, it's air conditioned, you pick up
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: some food, super easy, break it home and cook it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Two hundred years ago, that's unheard of. Right now it's
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: the norm, and everything accelerates and it's going to change
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: whatever our norm. Our norm is fucking weird already. Man.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: We carry these stupid things around with us everywhere we go.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: That's our norm. Our norm is gonna get really weird,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: like exponentially weirder than it already is, I think. But
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: the thing is, it's like the battle of like good
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: and evil and kindness and wickedness. Like that battle's been
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: going on forever, and like knowing that you have to
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: do that battle is what propels people to be nicer
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: and what we really appreciate about like a good person,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Like that person has a struggle to stay a good person.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: You have a strong moral fabric, like strong character to
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: still stay kind and good through this rough and difficult life.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: We know it can be done, and we aspire to that,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: but I think the battle is necessary for us.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: Where do you get your ethics? Your values? You're in
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: a position of power, you could screw people over, you
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: could ask live the celiest questions to try and put
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: me in a corner. You're not a gotcha guy, But
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: why why where do you get your ethics of who
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: you are? You could be, you could be cruel, and you're.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not. I'm just not cruel. I don't know.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: But where's that come from? Oh, Mom and dad? This
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: is kind of some of the philosophy Church.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Some of it's mom and dad for sure, there's no
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: way around that. And they're nice people, you.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: Said earlier, I love people. Yeah, man, I love people.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: I've always loved people. I like, I've been fortunate that
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: most of my life I've had really good friends and
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: I've had a lot of fun, you know, and I
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: know that like if you around your around good people
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: and you're fun to be with and you have a
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: good time, like, that's a sweet life. Yep, that's a
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: nice life. I just don't have a desire to be
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: a shithead. And if I can tell, like, there's been
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of people on the podcast where they said
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: something and then afterwards I was like, listen, I think
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: it'd be better for you if we just edit that
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: part out because it's like, I know, like you're just
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: talking and things you fuck up, but like it was
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: incorrect and they're gonna come for you, and let's just
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: snip around it, like thank you.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: And you have no responsibility to do that. No I
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: wanted to, but you take you take that though, you
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: want to?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: Hey, come on, that would have been even higher ratings.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm playing that was advocate here, Come on,
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: why do you care about that? I'm just curious where
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: that comes from, because a lot of people who are
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: not evil people would at least at least let shit
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: like that slide and go.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Did you hear that right? Yeah, that's I think it's
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: bad karma. As much as I believe in karma, I
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: believe that's bad. I think if you intentionally do something
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: that someone who's a good person maybe slipped up and
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: said something incorrect and you leave it in a podcast
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: or made a dumb argument, which we all do sometimes,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: and then you look like a fool. You're like, let's
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: just this is no need for that. Let's just cut
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: that out of there and you'll feel better. Yeah, yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I just I don't want to know that. Yeah, I
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: don't want anybody having a bad to Okay.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: That's that's something that I want to come back to,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: and let's try to maybe open this up. You do that,
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: because if I said something stupid, you may let me
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: know Hannah sent that up, so I'll feel better, so
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: I won't look like I feel like a pick, but
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: you also will feel better independent of me. That's very
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: that's a selfish thing of you to let me know,
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: Hey man, you stuck your foot in it. Let's cut
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: that out. You're acting selfishly because that makes you feel better.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: And I think that's what I'm saying is the point
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: is as much as we think of self less, I
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: think selfish the true definition is to live a certain way,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: to have a certain code of ethics, is a very
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: selfish thing to do, much more selfish than to lie, cheat, still,
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: fuck people over, be evil. On the short term, you're
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: building an army of people, a collective friends along the way,
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: someone that might have your back. Not that you're doing
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: it for those reasons, but it's happening. That's a selfish
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: means of your own survival totally, And I think that's
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: something that we forget sometimes that these acts to be fucking.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Good, dude, is selfish?
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Is that selfish thing to do?
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Man? It's it's it's actually super beneficial to you, yes, so,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: and to everybody else. It's really the right way to
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: do it. But I think that's how the universe rewards.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: It's like how it encourages and rewards kindness, because you
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: feel better when you're kind, You feel better when you're generous, right,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: you really do. Yes, It's like you could be like
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: super selfish and be super generous.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: Yes, trust that.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something to that, But like there's whatever you
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: want to call bad feelings, like bad feelings between people,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: bad vibes, and misunderstanding. I don't like those. So like
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: if I if I feel like I did something that
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have done, or I said something, I'm the
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: first one to person say I'm sorry. I didn't mean
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: it that way. I know how it probably made you feel.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't. You know, people say things and you just
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: get scrambled up. Sometimes I always go out of my
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: way to say sorry because I think it's important. It's
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: important to not pretend that you're always the one who's
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: who's correct right. It's important. It's important to know when yeah.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: I and and I know I fail in that sometimes
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: when I misrepresent selfishness for certainty. Certainty can be hard.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly tricky if you fucking subscribe to it and
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: then you're wrong.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's different than being selfish. And I can
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: I sometimes bogie because I can confuse the two. And
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: my wife lets me know.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, certainty is a tricky one because you know, sometimes
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: you are certain, but you are also incorrect.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: Or there's more than one way to be right right.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Or you're getting bad information. Yeah, you know, chat chipets
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: lying to you.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: You said something Interton though, Man, you're first one to go,
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: hey Man, sorry, Now that's an altruistic trait. Man, that
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: is something that a lot of people have trouble doing to.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, onto a lot of people means I'm laying down,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: I'm wrong, I'm guilty. I fucked up. Oh my gosh,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: fifty lashes. I mean, and that's not what it means.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is I wish mors had hey Man,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: sorry about that. I both step foot in my mouth
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: and that that's now, that's not a big deal. Now
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: we're not. It's part of where woke went too far.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: We got so myopic on the word instead of the spirit.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: Oh dude, no, fuck I didn Nut's how you're gonna feel.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: I'm still your friend, But that was sorry, that was
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: out of line. Okay, cool, high five, overdone? Instead of
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: uh uh, you just said the word out of line.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: We're gonna all focus on that instead of the spirit
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: of the intent. Even if we were wrong. Had a
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: bad day, woke up from a nightmare. Fuck, I don't know,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: I'm a dog sick. I was pissed off, had the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: low eye. Hey, gotta give everyonder a little bit of
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: a break. And also look at what you're in tent
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: instead of focusing on the identity of the word, because
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: the word, there's no life in the word. It's just
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: the alphabet in a certain order.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: It's a noise you make with your mouth. So I
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: know what you're thinking, right, Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: But the spirit of intention, I believe, is what we
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: should put more focus on. What is the intent the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: the the Ten Commandments in the schools? What do you
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: think about that?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I don't like it? Right, well, I think the Ten
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Commandments are very interesting. I think mandating it in classrooms
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: in public schools. The problem with that is like what
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: about the Muslims, what about the Buddhists, what about the Hindus?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: What about what about all the other religions that exist?
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: And you can say Christian of religious texts, but what
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: about your high school?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: And I'm and I'm okay, I'm curious since Christian society
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: think commandments, but we have ten minutes where everyone can
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: take ten minutes to about to allaw to whatever your
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: religion is, if you care to partake or not there's
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: no exclusion about what can be a spiritual time of
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: worship in these ten minutes. But in our classroom in America,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: we're gonna have the Team Commandments.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: My question then goes to this, is there anyone in
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: the Ten Commandments that you or anyone disagrees with or
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: is your problem that it can be considered a president author.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: James Tallerico explained it to me. He's a Texas representative
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: who's also in seminary. He's a very religious man and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: he opposes it, and he's a Democrat. And he said, essentially,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: there's two very wealthy men who are they're Christian fundamentalists
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: where they want to replace all the funding for public
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: schools and put in private Christians. They want a theofic
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Christy in Texas. Essentially, so he was explaining that this
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: is like a step on the way towards that that
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: he finds would actually, in his belief, repel people from
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Christianity instead of bring them to him. By forcing this
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: in the classrooms, forcing in your face, you'll actually cause
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: more young people to reject Christianity. I don't know if
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: he's correct or.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: Not, but he's saying, maybe I don't have a problem
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: with this. I do have a problem with this is
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: a beginning of an overcompensation.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: He has a problem with it being in classes. He
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: does not agree with it at all. And he is
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: a very religious man, very religious man, like a great Christian,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: and he thinks that this is how you're going to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: repel people away from Christianity. If we really want to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: get more people to become Christian, the way to do
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: that is to first of all, to have open arms
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: and accept people in. And if you want to have
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: some classes in schools where you teach people about the
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: benefits of the Bible and what with the the overall
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: message is and what Jesus was trying to say, And
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: if you just follow what Jesus said, it's no one
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: would disagree. If you treat everyone as if it's your brother.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: You know, if you live your life the way Jesus
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: asked everyone, that's a way better way to live life,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: like you could if you want to teach that.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: Teach a selfish way to live life, but.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: That also want to live a good life, but they
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: want to do it through Islam. What about people that
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: also want to live a good life, but they want
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: to do it through whatever to name it. You're going
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: to have Mormons and all kinds of different sects, Like okay,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: that's why you want to separate church and state. And
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I think if you have publicly funded schools, keep religion
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: out of them. That's what I think, because otherwise you
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: have too many possible religions, Like you're going to be
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: religiously bigoted if you teach only one, if you they're
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: only Like you think people would be cool if they
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: had an entire public school systems where everybody just taught Islam.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine of a full city like every public
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: school just people would be up in arms. Well, I
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: think that's similar response to people who are not Christians
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: who see Christianity being imposed on public schools. They probably
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: have the same feeling, you know, like if you're a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Muslim and you're supposed to send your kids to school
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: and they're shoving Christianity in his face, you'd probably feel
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: the same way as if you were a Christian and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: your school district had been taken over by Islam. You're
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: like Jesus Christ everybody else to allow five times a day.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: And I hear you. I do also though, Look, I
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: think there could be what if there were tenants, yeah,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: on the wall of each religion that we pull the
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: author off for a minute. This is my hang up
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: is that we go to the problem. Most people go
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: to the problem of that, not with your argument. They
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: go to the problem with it because the author g O. D.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: Hey Man. So we go to the author instead of
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: the content. When I'm saying, when you look at the Commandments,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: is there anything that anyone out there is going like,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: I disagree with that one.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Let's pull up the Ten Commandments, Jamie. I haven't read
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: them in a while. Is there anyone in there that
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: don't hold up today? No, they think they're pretty legit.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: If you think about it, they're pretty legit. And they're
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: two thousand years old. They kind of nailed it. It's
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: kind of like the Constitution, they kind of they kind
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: of nailed it, whereas all these years later you're like,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: good fucking job, Yeah, pretty solid. You got a decent version.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: I was looking at the Texas poster thing, I thought,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: and there's a bunch of printed versions, but they're all
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: like on rock and so I was.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Trying to find it. Oh, the ones that the Texas thing, Okay,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: they're all on rocks as tpt what the ten commandments are?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: But that's not where I was. I'm saying I wasn't there.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Oh ten commandments in school? So yeah, I just wonder, like,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: what are the chat to ten commandments? Take long? The
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: ten Commandments are sector but yeah, what are they?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: Principles?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: You shall have no other gods before me. You shall
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: not make for yourself a carved image, false worships of IDs.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: You shall not make the name of the Lord your
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: God in vain. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Honor your father and mother as a solid one. You
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: shall not murder, great advice. You shall not commit adultery, definitely,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: don't do that. You shall not steal, definitely, don't do that.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, don't lie.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: You shall not covet. Yeah, boy, those are all pretty solid.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: We can use number ten a lot right now. We
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: love comparison the younger generation, Yeah, full of covet.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Problem, it's a real problem that We're very fortunate
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: that we didn't have to grow up with the kind
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: of pressure that social media is putting on people, especially
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: young girls. Like Jonathan Hate wrote a book about social
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: media's impact the coddling of the American mind, and it's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: it shows very clearly the invention of social media and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: then self harm, suicidal ideation, overdoses, drug like, all of it.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: A lot of it women, a lot of it young girls.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: And it's because you're seeing you're comparing to all these
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: other girls constantly forced down. And then there's a whole
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: culture in like showing all your stuff off with the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: whole culture of like look at my bag, Look here's
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: me with champagne, I'm eating caveat, I'm on a yacht.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: I'm here, look at this, look at that, look at that,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: look at my watch, look at my rings. We and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: then they was like, I don't have shit.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: That's how life's supposed to be. Yeah, And I'm just
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: here in my room with my family, and I got
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: a good meal downstairs in this house.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Not even on that yacht.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: This is not all shit.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they don't have that big ring.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: You know at that party. I've talked to youth about this,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: and the consensus I hear is and I haven't found
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: anyone that doesn't feel this way yet. It's like, look,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: if you could, if if you mean, if you could
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: say yes, social media, it exists, or it doesn't. Oh,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: please just no. I wish it didn't exist, but it does,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: and I have to be a part of it to
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: feel I don't know the words not relevant to even
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: feel a part of youthful society. But boy, if you
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: gave me a choice, could we have it or not?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: Please take it away. Wish you were wish it wasn't there,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: Wish it didn't exist, is what I hear A lot
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: of you say.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think it's done more harm
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: than it's done good. It's done a lot of people
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: good for business, right, A lot of people started businesses
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: with social media, and you know a lot of people
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: make a living now that would have had a regular job.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: There's a goodness in that. But in terms of like
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: society and our overall discourse, I think it's a lot
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: of it's negative. But then again, there's a lot of
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: positive of it too, because information gets out that mainstream
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: media doesn't report on, and you find out about real
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: issues that really concern you. But then there's the problem
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: of a giant percentage of it isn't actually human beings,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: giant percentage of the arguing back and forth on the Internet.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: It's spots giant percent man, Yeah, to some former FBI
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: analyst said it was as many as eighty percent on Twitter. Yeah,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: that's his estimate. I mean, I don't know if he's right,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, what what does that even mean?
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: What does that mean?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Like, so, what what's fueling all that? It's AI forcing
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: us to argue? I mean it's programmed right now by
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: human beings probably and and some of it is actual
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: real human beings that are, like, you know, in some
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: sort of a factory somewhere in Pakistan or whatever, and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: they're just fucking with Americans online for whatever reason. Some
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: it's it's probably funded to like try to disrupt democracy,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: to make.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: Us lose faith in our ste There's a a China
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: element to that.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: There's a rush, and there's an American element. We're doing
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: it to them.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: So that's part of the New World. But that's yes one,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: Well I understand it with how would add up with TikTok? Yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: Now do you think it's it's it's everywhere through all
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: the all social media that it's it's infiltrated to to
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: get us into these understandings perceptions.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: Well, for sure, it is capable of doing that if
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: you just follow your natural instincts. Right. So the algorithm
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: is set up for show you what you engage with
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: the most, and that just whether or not it's the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: intended purpose, it leads us down the road of being
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: full of anxiety, constantly filled with cortisol, stressed out, angry,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: angry at climate change and fucking white supremacy and radical left.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is. It's whether or not it's intentional, it
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't really matter because the desired effect, whether it's the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: desired effect, the effect of it all leads you into
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: complete chaos. So if they know that and they didn't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: course correct, the problem is once you have an algorithm,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get rid of the algorithm. I'm
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: i gonna say, let's just have information just exist, uncategorized
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: and non documentary. Yeah, just leave it out there and
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: you go find what you want. Matthew. You go look
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: around and you watch you know, football games and boxing matches,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: and you just go to you you do you you
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: go look. Instead of its suggesting things to you, once
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: it's suggesting things to you, that's a whole different game
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: because then it's kind of programming you and it's programming
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: you based on your worst instincts. My fucking feed is
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: all assassinations and car accidents and dudes getting kicked in
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: the head.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: It's just the you and do you do you? Do
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: you bite?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Not anymore? No, but Tom Sagur and I we have
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: a text threat that's been going on for like, I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: don't like probably five years. We send each other the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: most horrible ship we find each days, and sometimes I
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: call up. I'm like, dude, I can't do this anymore.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: This is like really fucking with me. But then like
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: two days we'll go by and I'll open up my
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: fucking phone and I'll see Tom Sigar like this motherfucker.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: And then I'll open it up and some guy getting
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: assassinated in a pool hall or something. I'm like, oh
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: my god, it's just you're getting bombarded, bombarded.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: So with all of that exterior stimulus, and here we
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: are with you know, adult mind and even talking about
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: man Imagine a child. Imagine a child. Yeah, now I'm
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: going is there something has even got a better suggestion
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: than the Ting Commandments for to get a child's mind going.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Ten?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: Just tell those ten things. If I look at that
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: and aim that direction, I feel like I can't go
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: wrong or I can gel closer closer to right, meaning
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: I'm seeing youth and adults spun out. Man, I don't
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: understand the general expectation between us. What do you mean
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: I can pick your pocket and steal from you if
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: I got away with it, I fuck you, dude. I'm
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: not embarrassed. I don't feel guilty. Hey, man, I want
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: a blue ribbon. I got the shoes.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they gave me the trophy.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: What do you mean do with the riery fucking old
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: dinosaur integrity?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: What character?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: What are you talking about? I hear that conversation, I'm going, ah,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: hang on man.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: And that's different than saying, like you've told me you
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: love chaos. That's different than saying, oh, there's a chaotic moment.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: I will I love to try and create order in it.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: That's different. That's like a that's something that's a stimulus.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: You know, this is it's it's four dimensional. Where's the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: ground that that they can go? Okay, I can rely
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: on that? What can I rely on that that will
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: stand with me? That's a time and test the truth
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: that can take me into the future. No, out of
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: the changes of Ai that I can go in the storm,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: I can go to this and catch my breath. I
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: can go to this and rely on it in the dark,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: on my own and in the masses with the millions
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: going no, no, no, do this, do this, I can go, Uh,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: what is that? What's that simple sheet that's ingrained that
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: that that our youth can go Yeah, yeah, it can
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: rely on it. Forget the author, forget the author right that.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna do it with like a
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: series of commandments. The problem with the Ten Commandments. I'm
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: not saying there's a problem with the Ten Commandments, but
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: if I was going to put it in a school
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: that were there's non religious people, there's a bunch of
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: stuff in there, like not taking the Lord's name in vain,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: not have any other gods before me, where people that
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: would give people pause. They'd be like, wait a minute,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: what are you telling me? I can't I can't say
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: I can't take the Lord's name in bin like saying God, damn.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: It is like taking the Lord's name in vain. People
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: do that all the time.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: It's similar to the on a national level, the flag
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: burning things, burning out. That would be like taking lords
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: Him and Dane. Burning the flag would be like taking
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: the flags name in day right.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Imagine that. Imagine you get arrested for taking the lord's
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: name in vain right. That would be a real problem,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: especially because you're talking about human beings always creep, they
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: always move towards more and more power and control. And
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: if you put something like that, and like, now, what
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: are you gonna do? You're gonna enforce Christian law? What
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: if someone enforces Sharia law? There's a lot of talk
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: of that. There's a lot of talk about people in
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Minnesota are terrified that someone's gonna enforce Sharia law. And
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of these Somali Muslim uh these these areas
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: where like giant Muslim populations are what if we get with.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: What would get What if we get with the Hindus
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: and the Muslims and everybody and we get out. You
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: got bring your best ten Christianity's bringing his ten commandments.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: Let's get together here and we'll put them all together.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: Hell will mix some of yours on your My number
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: eight will be number nine, because yours is gonna be
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: number eight, and we're gonna put them up there. It's
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: gonna be a creed, a little bit constitution to get
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: our day started.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: Interesting way to do it. But the problem is most
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: religions are ideologically opposed to conflicting religions. They don't want
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: to accept that these other religions are correct about anything.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: You know, like Judaism and Christianity they share a bunch
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: of things, but they disagree on Jesus.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: They disagree and rising from the dead.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's a lot of stuff.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: It's well, I just think there could be a creed,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: a bit of a constitution, and if you pull the
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: author of it, if you can find more similarities then
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: that are not exclusionary. Right then we would find things
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: that are combat of ideas.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think something along those lines where we said,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: let's think of a code to live life buy well,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: and we can do this in a modern era without
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: a religious context. You could say, like what, we could
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: all agree a code to live life buy but we'd
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: all have to follow it, including the president. No more
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: rage tweeting.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying we have to We wouldn't have to
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: follow it. It would just be right now, there's not
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: an agreed upon expectation of how to treat each.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: Other, right, right, right, and there's reward in treating each
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: other like shit. If you're you are.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: Rewarded for it. Yeah, and almost not almost, maybe more
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: much more than almost if you do follow the rules.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Kind of a yeah, you kind of a sucker.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: That that that out of I'm that that's not going
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: to have a long that can't have a long play.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: That is not a selfish move.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: Don't think that's a part of the whole TikTok instagram
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: kind of culture because it's so look at me, it's
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: so fake. Least cars and you know there's a thing
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: in LA where they have a fake private jet and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: you go into this private jet just for influencers so
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: they can take pictures. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you this thing. I'm in Miami. You
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: know Miami. You know South Beach, right, if you don't flinch,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: nobody's sloppy stopping you, right Miami where even the even
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: the mannequins have fake right, you know what I mean.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: It's it's what I like about Miami because they're so open.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: LA people will get the face job oo jobs and
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: Tommy tucks and how do you do that?
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Man? He look great?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: They're like, oh, I just take cold showers, right, But
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: Miami's like, oh no, here, doctor horrece go see him, man,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: he's great. I just left him. He you know, they're
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: open about it. I love that about Miami. I'm there
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: working on I think it was the Beach Bump, and
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: I'm walking down through South Beach and there's this under
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: a palm tree on the beach. There's this purple and
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: pink Lamborghini pulled in under a palm tree with the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: beach behind it, and there's this guy leaning back on it.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: The gold chain. He unbuttoned silk shirt a couple of times,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: he's greased up, and he's These guys are there taking
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: pictures of it. I'm like, going, what's going on here? Well,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: if there's another guy, come on stop you see him chat.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: All of a sudden, the new guy hops in on
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: the trunk, leans back, yo, does all the positives and
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: I go up that. I go, what do you?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: What are you?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: What's going on here? He goes, oh, man, I'm taking
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: a picture form my or my tender cover. I go,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: you are, and but who's the Who's the other guy goes?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: He just came out and said like, hey man, you
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: mind if I can get a picture from my tender
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: cover and he paid me fifty bucks. I said, so
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: that's not your car, nom man, I ran his car
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: for the day. He was he was proud of it.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: He was like, yeah, it's just what I did South Beach.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I it's a very low vibration, but they're open
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: about it. Yeah.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: I always say, if you want to starve to death,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: open up a bookstore in Miami. It's a lot of fun.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: It's basically like a well, I mean, it's basically built
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: on cocaine. You know, the city was built on cocaine
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: back in the day. Have you ever seen cocaine Cowboys? Yes? Whoa,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: yeah what a documentary? Yes, holy shit, that's a good one.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: That is a good one. And cocaine cowboys too. Both
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: of them were crazy. Oh my god, Oh my god.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: Gizelda gets out, she goes it's when you find out
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: that it's all one hundred percent true, You're like, so
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: that's what happened with Miami. One year, the entire Miami
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: graduating class of the Police Academy, the entire graduating class
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: either wound up murdered or in jail for corruption. The
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: class they were all drug dealing. Everybody was drug dealing.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: There's millions and millions of dollars buried in backyards in
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Miami that no one's ever gonna find.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: Vedo remember the police chief that was here m m
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: that they went to Houston because he wanted to drama,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: and Katrina came and he got his real drama. Then
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: he went to Miami and it didn't last. I didn't
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: get the details on it, but wasn't it something about
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: the Miami the I don't know. If there's mafia and
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: city council going there's certain things you cannot Oh, he
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: was either fired, booted out, or retired and moved on
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: pretty soon.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They don't fuck around down there. It's it's a
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: totally different way of life, and you know, they love it.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: It's like you go down there, it's it's a totally
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: different vibe. Yeah, you know, and.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: If you don't more dots and you don't flinch. Yeah,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: it's all a green light.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: More banks per capita in Miami, I think than any
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: other city in the country, and I think that is
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: because it was used to launder money for yes, Yeah,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: so it's it's hard to believe that that's true. But
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: I had a good buddy of mine who was an
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: optimologist who did his residency down there. But next month misconduct.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: The internal affairs unit.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: Making significant changes to his command staff. Boom, you're out,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: see yuh ye speaking out against corruption, reporting abuses of
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: power by elected officials. He sued, saying that his firing
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: was in retaliation. Yeah. So my buddy was optimologist and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: into his residency in Miami in the eighties, and he
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: said it was insane. He goes every day, so he's
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: in the emergency room every day. It's gunshot victims, guys
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: with g I Joe stuffed up their asses, like everybody
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: was just doing coke and doing wild crazy stuff. He
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: said he found guys with light bulbs up their asses.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: They had to remove light bulbs. You know those little
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: pine coney ones, you know those ones. Dude had a
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: light bulb broke in his asshole and they had a
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: oh God. And he goes, it's all cocaine. Man. He goes,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: I saw so many gunshots, so many gunshot wounds. He goes,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: it was all cocaine. And it was just constant in
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: the eighties. He said, the emergency room is just like
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: people were pilot up in the hallway. They're just rushing
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: people in to get treatment. They're holding their side, blood
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: squirting out of them. He said it was insanity, just cocaine,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: gang wars all over the city and he was in
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: the heart of it.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: Is he still an optometrist, Well.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: He's still an ophthalmologist. Yeah, yeah, he's uh, but he
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't live in Miami anymore. He's in Arizona now. Shout
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: out to Steve. It's good bunny money, am I. He
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: told me some why And I was a kid at
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: the time, and when I met him, I was like fifteen,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: sixteen years old, and he was explaining to me, like
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: what he did when he was in Miami, and I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: was like, that is insane. I go, it's that bad
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: because this is like nineteen eighty eight he was there
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: or in the early eighties. He said it was insane.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Just that's Miami, you know, and whatever is it was
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: obviously not like that anymore. It's obviously calmed down on
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: that regard, but.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: Miss the chassis is still pretty loose.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what's built the place. You know. It's
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: like the most flossy city in the country, the most
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Lamborghinis and Ferraris and whatever.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think most of them are owned.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: No, No, it's a giant hustle. It's a big old
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: cocaine hustle.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: But that's one of the things I love about America
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: is that we have all these different flavors. We got
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: the Florida flavor and then went out to Montana flavor.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of different flavors in this country.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: I was in Alabama doing research for pre state ad
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: joned and this is what I think probably eleven years ago,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: and we were staying a mobile and the next day
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: there was all these parades that night and what's going
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: on the next the next day that the percentage for
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: the vote for gay marriage was coming out.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: M And.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: I remember talking to a lot of my friends on
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: the West coast the next day because what happened. It
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: woke up it passed fifty three forty seven and I
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: was like, holy shit, I thought it was gonna be
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: twenty eighty.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: No, oh, interesting, it was passed fifty three forty seven.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: What year was that?
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: This is eleven twelve years ago, Maybe you can pull
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: it up. I think it was about eleven years ago. Anyway,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: I talked to a lot of my friends who are
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: our uh Democrats, are liberal, and they were appalled at the.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Minor.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: Martin was like, guys, no, I thought it was you
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: were appalled that barely made it. I thought it was
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: gonna be twenty eighty. The other way, it's it is
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: amazing how quickly though America were very nimble, Yeah, very
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: nimble to shipping and understand Yeah, different ways. I was
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: shocked that it even came close, that it didn't.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: He thought it was going to be really thought it
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: was going to be eighty twenty against.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: I thought that my romantic idea or she'd have traveled.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: They have been around there and stay there many times,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: got friends there. I thought that it was so entrenched
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: in a born again read Christianity that that was blasphemy
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: to the majority, And it was not. It was not.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: And I just remember thinking, there's an example, not an ideal,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: but there's if you were for gay marriage, that's not
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: an ideal example, but there's an example of talk about
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: an evolution or adaptability to two times and change.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: Well, if you believe in the sanctity of marriage, gay
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: marriage should be your favorite marriage because they hold it
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: up the best. They have the lowest rates of divorce, right.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: I think gay marriage between two men the rated divorce
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: is only like twenty six percent, whereas with men and
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: women it's fifty percent. Yeah, so if you really love marriage, hey, yeah, right,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: you should love gay marriage because they're doing it right.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: What do you think about that? When I talk about
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: you know, because we're always we're always talking and thinking
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: about so you know, hey, you make ald a better place,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: talk about leadership, talk about our CEOs, you talk about politicians.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: But if you go back to the route, the beginning
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: seems to be to me to be parenting.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: Secondly, what if what could be done to get more
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: fathers just hang stay around, get more more mothers do
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: than the fathers. A lot of fathers are out early.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: And what could be done if more marriages, if we
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: work took another step to salvage our marriage instead of ah,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: smell the heat getting out.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot could that? Do you know?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: Do you think that would be a way forward? I
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: have a hunch that it is. I don't know what
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: to do about it except prop up the reverence for parents,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: the prop up reverence for marriage to where it's more
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: important to us than it is.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to stick with it.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: A little longer, to salvage that our personal character, our
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: responsibilities or to take as a parent, and our responsibility
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: that we take, and going into a marriage whould make
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: it mean a little bit more than I feel like
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: it does to us.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: A lot of times, I think it really depends entirely
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: on who the individuals are, because sometimes one person is
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: just not keeping up their end of the deal. They
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: just fall off. Maybe they get into drugs, they they
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: become addicted. They maybe they lose their job and they
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: don't want to get it back and they just start
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: drinking every day. And like sometimes a man or a
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: woman has to make a choice.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: And marriage good divorces too, that's good for the both.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: There's some people that don't want to change and they
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: will drag you down. And there's some people when you
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: met them, they had hope, and then eventually that hope
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: just fucking leeches out of them and they're not fun
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: to be around anymore. And you try, and you try,
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: and you try to encourage them, you try to give
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: them suggestions and they don't follow through, and at at
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: a certain point in time, you can't save a drowning
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: man because you're gonna fucking drown too, and you got
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: to just move on with your life. And I get it.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: I get when wives leave like that, I get when
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: husbands leave like that. But a lot of people just
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: marry people because they're hot, you know, they marry people
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: because they're sexy, they like having sex with them, you know,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: they think they're attractive. And then you're with some fucking
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: crazy person and you're trying to make life work with
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: a crazy person, and now you have kids, and now
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: you're trying to make life with kids with this fucking
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: crazy person that you really shouldn't have married in the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: first place. You didn't have anything in common with them
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: other than you like their body and you liked how
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: sexy they are. That's the trap, like you gotta it's
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: a you have to like genuinely love someone, like love
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: their personality, love being around, love their kindness, and then
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: you have to be someone that other people would love.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: A lot of people want this perfect person in a
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: life and they're a mess.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there's a lot I've seen that go down to.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons why marriages don't work out
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: and one of them is like over time, when two
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: boats are traveling together, of one of them, just like
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: this is an Anthony Robbins thing about life and an
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: analogy about life, but it actually works with marriages too,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: because all you need is like a subtle turn in
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: one direction, and over time you're further and further apart.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: Where like we don't have the same philosophy anymore, we
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: don't have the same belief system, we don't have the
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: same ethics or morals. Or you know, maybe your husband
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: has got a job that you're like, you shouldn't be
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: fucking doing this. This is bad for society. Like your
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: job overall is awful. You're maybe you're denying people health
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: care claims, you know, for insurance companies. Maybe that's your thing,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: and like and you're like, you're we have to live
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: with a site take weight of like yeah, we're eating
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: Ribbi's and we have a nice house, but like how
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: did we get this money? Like and maybe the wife
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: is like, I don't want to do this anymore. I
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: want to be connected to you. That's that's understandable too.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: It's like not all marriages are supposed to work out.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think it makes it divorce
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: right now? Yes, what if that was forty five?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Well, Chris Rock had a great joke about that. He goes,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: that's just the cowards that stay. It's like, how many
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: of them wish they were divorced. It's a really good point,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: really good point, because.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: How cowards paying the pennance?
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Oh bad? I mean we all have friends like that.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: We're like, bro get out and they don't. And then
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: but then we also have people that have great marriages.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: And when you meet people that have great marriages, it's like, oh,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: that's possible, you know, that's possible.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: Well, the sanctity of it, if it had more reverenge
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: going in to you're not getting she's hot.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: We love, we love. It's a cultural milestone too. It's
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: like a thing you're doing it because it's like everybody
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: does that. Every woman wants to be married, every you
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: want to have a family, every man wants to you know,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: like this is my wife. And and so you think
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: that a lot of people live life like they're in
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: a goddamn romantic comedy. They think they're in a movie,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: you know, they think they're and they don't. They don't.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: It's like that there's something about media, something about songs
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: and movies. It gives us this like bizarre framework for
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: what a relationship or what life is supposed to be like,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: or what your life is supposed to be like, and
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: it's not real and where your life doesn't measure up
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: to this movie, just like your life is not going
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: to measure up to your Instagram feed. You get kind
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: of kind of depressed, like this said.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: Why why are we in Gabston for our honeymoon? When
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: she's on a yacht, she's you know what I mean
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: exactly comparison thing comes Well.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: That's also why people put everything on the gram too.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: They put everything they do. Look at me here having
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: so much fun. Look at me smiling, having a great time.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: Man, Well, you paint yourself in a corner. LEVI get
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: on Gram when he turned fifteen, and he I don't
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: know if you'll stay on it, but that was one
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: of the things we were talking. I was like, dude,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: you know he's surfing at the time. I was like,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: don't just put all your all your best waves on there,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: because you're gonna paint yourself on a corner when you
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: go to the break and you guys like, oh, we've
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: seen it. I better put some wipeouts on there too,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: just so you can go and not have that pressure
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: because you're gonna paint yourself in a corner. Life looks
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: too good. Yeah, you know what I mean, And you're
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: gonna go out and you got I gotta live up
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: to this. It's that thing that happens in those relationships
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: when you hold the other one. If if if I
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: make my wife superwoman and she thinks I'm superman, neither
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: one of us can live up to that, And so
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: we're gonna come in under the r expected bar and
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: there becomes the recipe for You're not who I thought
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: you were because we had an unfair expectation right going in.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that definitely happens too. Also, familiarity
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: breeds contempt. People just get tired of be in the
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: same space with the same person over and over. I'm like, stop,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: leave me alone, get away. I feel gets sick of people.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: But it's also like who did you pick? Who'd you pick?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: And why'd they pick you? Are you someone that you
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: would pick if you were a woman? You know, would
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: you want you as a husband, would you want you
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: as a friend? Would you know? And if not. Maybe
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: you should, maybe should become someone someone would like to
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: be friends with. Maybe should become someone someone would like
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: to be a husband I'd like to have as a husband.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: Sit in that passenger seat you're talking about yourself.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why a good psychedelic experience every now and
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: then knocks the dust off and gives you a little
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: reset and lets you look at yourself and go, okay, all.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: Right, tell me explain to me what that? What that does?
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: It unpacks some some some somewhat some some sort of
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: neural cables that have gotten kind of solidified that may work. Sure,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: they become doctrinaire.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of that in that, for sure. And
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: I think that's also a dissolving of the ego. That's
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: a big part of it. One of the things that
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: most psychedelic drugs have in common is they dissolve the ego,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: like completely dissolve the ego at least for a brief
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: amount of time. And during that brief amount of time
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: you have a much more objective understanding of That's why
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: there's so many people who take mushrooms and then completely
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: quit smoking cigarettes or completely quit taking pills. They just go,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: oh my god, like what was I doing? Like why
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: was I doing that? Like you just you need to
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: get outside of yourself. And I think that that was
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: a natural part of human civilization for thousands and thousands
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: of years. People did it in ritualistic settings in ancient
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Ulysses in Greece. The Elucinian Mysteries was all about that
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: and eleusis when they would they would all get together.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: They would take this to get There's a fantastic book
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: on it called The Immortality Key that a guy who's
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: been a guest on my podcast a bunch of times,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: Brian Murr Rescue, wrote, But it's all about these are
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: the people that figured out democracy. This is like in
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: ancient Greece, and they all did it from having these
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: psychedelic trips. They would all go and have this trek
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: to have this visionary experience and they'd come back with
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: new insight and ideas and it dissolving in the ego.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: I mean they literally came to the idea like, hey,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: maybe we should let everybody have a say in how
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: things run and vote, Like they invented democracy, which is crazy.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: And they did it because probably because of psychedelic drugs,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Like they found these clay pots that these people used
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: to keep their wine in, and their wine was all
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: like mixed up with psychedelics. It wasn't regular wine like
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: we think of wine as being an alcoholic beverage. No,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: was wine with ergot in it. So there was like
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: an LSD Lix substance and a bunch of other stuff.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: Like here's seen the Dumbo the animated Yeah, sure, okay,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: I just noticed it because I noticed it, just saw
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: it for the seen it before, recently saw it three
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: years ago. So Dumbo after the circus goes over, puts
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: his snout down and drinks the runoff from the bar
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: and the party. Okay, stars start to think. The next
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: thing next edit is he's in the top of a tree.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: He can fly. That was more than alcohol. The cut
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: is directly to him on the top of a tree.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. God, I haven't seen Dumbo since my kids
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: are like one.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: If you see it, if you see it again, I
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: need to catch it.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen it for I'm God, I don't even know.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: If the crows they're talking about him about how he
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: got up here? And what are you doing up here? Man?
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: You should have seen yourself last night talk about it.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: I don't remember, but I was there. Dumbo didn't remember
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: none of it. Man, but he's ended up on the top.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: I remember when they were real little Pinocchio and how
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: creepy it was. I was like, oh my god, Pinocchio
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: is creepy. When they when the the the boys got
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: kidnapped and they turned him into donkeys. Yeah remember that part? Yes,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: that was Pinocchio. Right, here's the part.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: He has a five minute trip in Dumbo.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Let's see.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's a whole scene the pink elephants.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: Oh whoa. After he drank that, he drank. He's on
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: tripping and the last we saw was he just drinks
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: on that like.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: Wow, pyramids it ends here? Oh wow? And so I'm
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: coming back to earth.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: Oh wait, no, he's on He's not back to earth.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. I would have never guessed. I would have
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: never guessed. That's a part. But that's actually a part
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: of one of the rides at Disneyland. Is that is
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: there a Dumbo ride at Disneyland that looks psychedelic? Yes,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: that's right. No, it's Winnie the Pooh. There's a Winnie
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: the Pooh ride at Disneyland that I used to take
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: with my kids. And you go through the ride, it's
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: like a real simple ride. It's not like scary at all.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: It's like good for like little kids. And you get
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: to this one point, I'm like, what are they trying
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: to say here? Like this is crazy? Like Tigger comes
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: out and Tigger is like this psychedelic being and everything
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: is like now in black light. Yeah, so Tigger comes
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: out and tiggers like a freak, Like why is this
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: guy bouncing around on his tail? And then it gets
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: to a certain part get a little forward here where
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: it gets super fucking weird, like right here, like what
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: the hell has happened? It's all about honey, Like things
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: are like this is like fractal, this is like a
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: DMT world. This is really weird. Like what does this
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: have to do with Winnie the Pooh? What the fuck happened?
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: It's really weird. It's like, what are they trying to
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: say here?
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: I didn't see anything about honey.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about the honey. It's like something about well,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: you know, there's some stuff called mad Honey, and this
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: mad Honey we actually ate it on the podcast once
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: some guy brought it. But it's a honey that these
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's in the Himalayas. That's where it is,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: right where these guys have to climb up the side
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: of a cliff to get this stuff. And these bees
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: are all taking pollen from is it the lotus flower?
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: What is the psychedelic plant? So these these bees are
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: taking pollen from this psychedelic plant and they're making a
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: psychedelic honey. This is so bad. Honey is a honey
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: that contains boys, say that word g toxins. The dark
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: reddish honey is produced from the nectar and pollen of
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: the genus Rotodaredron. How do you say that? Roto rhododendron.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: It has moderately toxic and narcotic effects, produced principally in
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: Nepal and Turkey where he's uses both a traditional medicine
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: and a recreational drug. But see showing how they get it,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: because these guys look at that they have to climb
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: on the side of a fucking cliff to get this stuff,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: and people get it just a trip out.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: Wow, you tried that.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Hard to get honey. Then you make like a rope
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: ladder and you cover yourself in a beekeeper's outfit and
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: they're They're all like these these hives are all connected
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: to the side of a cliff. It's really crazy.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: It's cool.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a very bizarre effect to the honeyts
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: have somewhere.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so during the three hours after having well.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: I was it was in the middle of the podcast.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: I took it at the beginning of the podcast. I
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: just took a big I go, how much is a
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: large dose? And he's like, you take like a half
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: a teaspoon? Fuck it. And I just took a whole
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: big teaspoon of it. And I was like, whoa, this
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: is interesting.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: How soon did you get interesting?
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: Twenty minutes? Yea, yeah, about twenty minutes and I'm like,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: whoh okay, this is a new one. I was like,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: this is crazy, this is honey put this in your tee, Like,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: what's going on in the pall. I don't think it's
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: a normal use thing. I think it's an occasional use thing.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: Well maybe not a full tablespoon.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: It didn't It wasn't that bad. It wasn't like I
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: was out of my head and didn't know what to do.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: It was completely functional. But it was like bizarre that
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: this isn't honey.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: So these these psychedelic trips when you lose the ego
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: and you unlock some of the you know.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Just like you got a vacation to reset your life,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: sometimes you need a vacation to reset your brain.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: Do they help you have more energy because you're hanging
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: on to old shore ideas a little bit less and
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: you have more of an open beginner's mind and the
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: day unravels with that with less certain concrete expectations or
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: yeah this is how that should go.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: Or very insightful. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, definitely, that's part
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: of it. Like the less you hang onto in your head,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: the more energy you have for other stuff. Yeah, Like
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: I always tell people, like especially young comics like that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: are like getting on social media and arguing with people
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: and stuff. I'm like, look, man, think of your time
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: in your day as a numerical unit. Like you have
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: one hundred units of time, one hundred units of energy.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: If you're putting thirty of those units on some bullshit online,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: you're robbing yourself of that time that you could be
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: putting into things you love, your friendship, your comedy act,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: your life. You don't need to do that, Like it's
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: a trap, Like you get sucked into thinking you need
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: to do that, and all it does is it just
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: robs you of your energy. The less you're attached to
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: like old beefs and squat fuck that guy, although those
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: kind of things, the less you're attached to that stuff,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: the freer you are, the more energy you have. It's
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: good for you. It's again, it's a selfish interesting to do,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: selfish to be kind Yep, yeah, amen on that. Yeah,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: And I think if if those things were legal and
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: more people could experience them in a controlled setting with
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: people who know how to administer them and know the
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: right dose and and know you know, hey, what are
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: you on a medication? Well, if you're on a certain medication,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: definitely don't be taking this stuff because with your medications,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: at moa inhibitter, and this is you know, this could
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: really fuck you up. But you know, it doesn't even
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: have to be that. Man, It could be a fucking
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: good yoga class, right. It could be holotropic breathing. You
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: could just sit and breathe deeply in through your nose
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: and out through your mouth with intention, and you'll have
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: a psychedelic experience. You'll get a relief from.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: I just got one the other day from acupuncture. Did
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: not expect it at all. And I mean I came
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: out going, oh my gosh. I just felt like I'd
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: be hibernated for a fourteen hours an app and woke
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: up clean as whistle.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: I've only done acupuncture one time, and the dude was
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: a total kook. He was so kooky that I just
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't didn't get it was too weird. The guy
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: was so weird. He was really good at acupuncture, but
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: he was just like it was a really weird guy
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: in l A. And he'd have these conversations with you.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: He's asking a bunch of questions and I was like, okay,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: I gotta go.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 4: That's the that's the that's the masseuse that when he
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: lay down, there goes that's what's your horse cope? And
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh shit, oh no, the go and I
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: got any injuries and I'm like, yeah, this left shoulder,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: that mmmm, left side.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: Of your body.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: That means you need to get in test Like no, no, no, no,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: I actually got hit by a car. I only don't
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: go psychological imbi just yet. Man, come on and go
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: horsecope out of the gate. If we were to add
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: that on for some color commentary afterwards. I'm okay with it,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: but let's not come out of the gate saying this
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: is the reason.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: I actually just reached out to my book and got
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: to try to get a real astrologer on, someone who
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: really understands the ancient art of astrology, the real old stuff,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: because I'm not completely discounting it. I think newspaper horoscope
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: is nonsense. I think there's a lot of people that
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: are just like reading your tarot cards that are just
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: ripping you off. But I always wonder at the astrology
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: is so specific, like why did they write that down?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Why did they have this understanding of how the stars
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: are aligned at the time of your birth?
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: Pre mathematics?
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where part of the Earth you're at? Yeah, I see.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's pre mathematics. I think
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: it's pre our current understanding of when mathematics evolved and emerged.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's real. I think they had mathematics
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: long before that. I think civilization was wiped out and
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: had to restart over again, and there's a lot of
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: evidence to that. There's a lot of evidence that, like
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: society has had some major cosmic event, most likely asteroid
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: impact impact, and there's a whole theory behind it, the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: Younger Driest impact theory from eleven eight hundred years ago.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: They think we got hit and it's there's a comet
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: storm that we go through every September. Was it November
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: and June? Is that what it is? Something like that,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: like June and November, and occasionally we get hit. And
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: you know, there's like nine hundred thousand near Earth objects
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't take a really big one to fuck
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: up everything. It doesn't take one that's going to kill
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: everybody to fuck up anything. It just takes one the
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: size of a block, like one city block, comes slamming
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: into the ice caps, and then you just got chaos
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: and everything goes away, and all all like modern conveniences
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: and all organized societies thrown into chaos and then people
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: have to rebuild. And I think that's happened a bunch
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: of times in human history. And this is real physical
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: evidence to this Younger Driest impact theory, which also coincides
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: with the ending of the Ice Age. It's all around
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: the same time, and they think it was like a
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: series of events. They think we were hit more than once.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: They think they were hit around eleven eight hundred years ago.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: But then again something we're around ten thousand years ago,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: so it's probably when we see society emerging in like
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Mesopotamia and Sumer, which is like around five thousand plus
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: six thousand years ago. I think that's just the newest
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: version of it. I think they probably had mathematics long
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: before that. They probably were doing shit. Whoever built the pyramids, Like,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: you can't tell me they didn't have some sort of
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: complex geometry in mathematics. There's no way they didn't. The
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: things are pointed to true north, south, east, and west,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: like that's five thousand years ago.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: Carl Sagan I got to sit with him for a
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: few hours before we made this film called Contact that.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: Skin loved it, you do one of my favorite movies.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: I love that movie. Oh and I love Carl Sagan.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah he wrote the book. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: I got to talk to him and listen to him
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: actually for a few hours. Anyway, I got to know
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: his wife, and his wife's really cool. But her her hello,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 4: her greeting is always, hey, what's your coordinate? WHOA, what's
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 4: your coordinate?
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: What's your coordinate? Boys? She's out there.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: But I mean that was similar of the r southeast.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: Which where are we coordinated? Where's the Earth coordinated in
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: the galaxy, in the universe, in the hands of time?
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: What has happened? What's our coordinate? It's a it is
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: kind of an out there, but it's a it's a
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: it's a pretty cool objective, A way to go. Let
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: me think about that. It reminds me of you. Like
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: you ever meet Bush forty one?
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: No, Hi, President Bush?
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: How you doing today? We he's holding your hand by
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: today point two? Today, Matthew eight point two to the tenth.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: He would give you an answer out of ten to
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: the tenth of val he was doing, hm hmm. I
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: thought that was pretty interesting because everybody goes, oh, I'm
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: good man, great, great, great?
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: Are you that that's some CIA ships?
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: He was adding it up to the tent. What your coordinated?
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: About an eight point two?
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: He had numbers in his head. Yeah, you know. Herbert
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: Walker was the guy that how put off uh and
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: a bunch of these scientists. He brought them together and said,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: we have recovered crashed UFO more than one occasion, and
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: we have a back engineering program, and we're considering disclosure
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: to the American people. I want you to list the positives,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: the positive impact of society and the negatives. Yeah, and
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: they did it with quite a few different scientists and
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: they all had more negatives than positive too.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: If they came out with this information to share this information,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: that would be the effect on society. Yes, more negatives than.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: More negatives than positive because disruption of religion, government, economy, well,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't depends on your religion, you know,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: it depends on where these things are from and what
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: what is happening?
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: What do we ibe Ezekiel has golden chariots from the sky.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, and a wheel within a wheel. Yeah, these
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: eco stuff sounds like a UFO encounter. And it's not
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: the only version of that in ancient texts. In the
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: In the ancient Hindu texts, they have vimanas, these things
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: that are flying through the sky, like what is what
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: are those things? You know? In the like Veda, in
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: the even in the Bagavad Gida, there's there's all these
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: depictions of these things that sound like you're talking about
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: a spaceship or at the very least some kind of technology.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: Like what this thing about the nephilim, like that the
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: gods mated with women and created men who are monstrous. Boy,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't that sound like aliens came down in genetically manipulated
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: primates and created human beings. That's a version of it
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: that you could imply from the text. It's all really
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: weird stuff, man, like really weird. If you if you
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: found out that that was all true, it would probably
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: change everything about society. And this is what Herbert Walker
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: and those guys decided after So how put Off was
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: explaining it to me on the podcast, like how they
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: put a numerical value to each thing. I'm like, like,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: we were that close, Like, imagine if that happens. This
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: is nineteen ninety right.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: Now, correct me if I'm wrong. But these kind of
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: really weird things, as you put them, they excite you
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: more than they give you fear.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: That be fair.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when you seem excited, you get excited
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: about different possibilities. Yes, I mean, you know, I have
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: people go oh man, No, Rugan loves the conspiracy theoris,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: like I don't seem like in the conspiracy theories, I
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: see him always being interested in an alternate way something
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: went down and being interested and excited about that, but
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: not going no, no, no, no, no, no, never disengaging from
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: it and going no, no, no, because I believe how
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: it was and what I read, and that's how it
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: is that you're not that's not where you're moving from.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: No, it's never a denial of information and facts. And
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: it's also a recognition that oftentimes a large swath of
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: society just goes with a narrative without having any real
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: understanding of what the actual facts behind it are. And
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: then there's that term, this pejorative term conspiracy theory. The
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: problem with that, calling someone a conspiracy theorist is conspiracies
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: are real, Like there's a lot of evidence and if
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: you want to sit down, I could fucking show you
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: a ton of them. And so anybody who says like, oh,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: you're a conspiracy theorist, I'm like, okay, let's talk about conspiracies, Like,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: do you think that any of them exist? Do you
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: think that people conspire? Is it? Like it's a natural
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: part of human behavior that's been documented throughout history, even governments.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: I mean literally literally, the thing that got us into
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: the Vietnam War was a conspiracy. Was fake the Gulf
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: of Tonkin. It was a false flag operation that it
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: never took place at all they lied to the American people.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: That's a conspiracy, Like that's just one conspiracy that turns
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: out to be true. There's a lot of them. The
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: problem is people don't want to look like a conspiracy theorist.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: They've done such a good job of making it a
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: goofy term that you don't ever want to attach to you.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: It can cause damage to your reputation if you're in
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: a job where people have to take you seriously. Fortunately
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not, but if you're in a job where people
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: have to take you seriously, you don't want to say
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: anything weird, like hey, I think aliens are real. People
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: think you're a kook, and then they discount your opinion
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: on everything.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but if you just know the actual facts, like
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 7: people that don't think there's anything that aliens are real,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 7: there's no way we're alone.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: There's we've never been contacted.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Gary Nolan, the guy who was on here yesterday, I
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: was talking about cancer research. He was also telling us
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: about a piece of wreckage they found from a craft
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: for is it nineteen fifty that they found it? The
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: first one that Silica won. So they have direct chain
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: of possession of this evidence from I believe it was
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty and it was almost pure silica, and the
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: magnesium ratios were so off that he said that this
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: magnesium had to have been it had to have been
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: sourced from a place that experienced a neutron bomb every
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: two minutes for nine hundred years. That's how off the
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: isotopes were to magnesium that we find here on Earth.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: He's like, I'm not saying it's impossible for someone to
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: ever do that, but I'm saying this is from nineteen fifty. Like,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: this is a real piece of what they're saying is
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: a wreckage of a craft and it has a material
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: position that is impossible for a normal person to create
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty, So what the fuck is this? And
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: you to say that to people and they're like, oh, so,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: Gary Nolan, who's a professor at Stanford, he's a professor
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: in the in the what is his forensics? Is that
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: what his he does cancer research? But what is his
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: actual title? Stanford School of Medicine professor. Anyway, rock solid
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: credentials published and people brought him this material and they said,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: would you analyze this because you know all these different
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: scientists and now chaired department of Pathology, Stanford School of Medicine.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: So when a guy like that is saying, no, there's
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: a composition of this piece of wreckage that you can't make. Here,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: they found a type of alloy that doesn't exist on Earth,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: and it has on an atomic level, layers upon layers
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: of whatever this alloy is. He's like, this costs billions
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: of dollars to create, and they found it in nineteen seventy. Like,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy no one had this. It's not possible
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: to make. Like, maybe you can make it today, but
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: we don't have the equipment to make it today. You
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: could conceive how someone with enough resources could have that
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: money today to do something like that, but it would
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: be an enormous undertaking. Yeah, and this is a piece
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: of craft that someone found from nineteen seventy six. So
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: when a guy like that is telling you, like, I'm
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: not saying what it is, I'm not saying where it's from,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: but I'm saying this is fucking crazy.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: It doesn't add up to us. He could practically do.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: So when someone says conspiracies like, yeah, yeah, I believe
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: in conspiracies because they're real, right, and because I don't
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: have to worry about being ticket seriously, and most people do.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: Most people don't want to be a fool. You don't
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: want to be a silly person, you know, you don't
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: want to be mocked when people aren't around you, like
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: you know, fucking Bob believes that JF a assassination.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you say, because you don't have to be taken seriously.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: She said, exactly, because wait, because you're saying your your
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: theories on things are solid, or because you in your
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 4: position are Hey, I don't have to be taken.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: My job does not rely on me being taken seriously.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: What do you say to them? It's like, because you
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: get you get attacked for like, hey man, you had
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 4: so and so on here and and and and and
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: and and and and you playcated them, and you know
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: and and we do take you serious because so many
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: people listen because I always, I always hear, and i'm
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: and I always find that I think there's a hole
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: in those attacks on on you. You have a massive
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 4: audience listening. Does that mean inherently, not necessarily, is what
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: I hear you're saying that, Oh, everything I say should
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: be taken seriously because that information is going wide. So
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: people's argument is going, Joe, you have a massive audience,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 4: so that's your responsibility to make sure bla blah blah
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: they go down that rabbit hole.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: My responsibility is only just to be me. I don't
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: have a responsibility to do anything else. I definitely have
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: a responsibility not lie to people, and I definitely have
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: a responsibility to not willingly allow someone else to lie
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: without at least questioning that right if I know that
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: they're lying. But other than that, my responsibility is just
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: to keep doing what I've done. And that's why I
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: have a big audience. It's not because it's not because
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: of any other reason. So I'm not going to do
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: anything any differently.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: No, I see that, I applaud it.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think you have to. I don't think it's good.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's smart. I don't think you'd be
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: paying too much attention to what other people's opinions of
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: what you should or shouldn't be doing are. As long
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: as you have a good internal compass, as long as
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: you have a good true north, and you know, and
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: my true north is how do I feel about it?
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: What do I feel like I'm a good person for
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: doing this do. I feel like that was a beneficial
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: thing for them and for me. I'm happy, they're happy,
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: We're all good, and that's what I want. I just want.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: I want to hug in a handshake, thank you, that
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: was awesome, good times, and I want to hear from
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: them like this has been amazing for me. That's that
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: makes me excited, that's all. That's all.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 4: I like, that's that's cool. You gotta you gotta make
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 4: it sound so simple, but as you probably know from
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of people in your position, it ate that simple.
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: It's it, but it is if you follow the right path. Yep,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: it's not that hard. Like people say it's hard. I'm like,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: you know, you work so hard, Like look at us
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: right now. This is me working. This is not that hard.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: This ain't I've had jobs. This is I've done construction
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: of the like horrible jobs that suck. This is not
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: a job. This is just a fun pursuit. So you
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: have a responsibility to the people that listen. And I
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: think the people that listen expect me to be me,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: and that's all you can do. And as soon as
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: you start changing, they fucking know before you know, like
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: they'll they'll like Oh, you fucking change, and people will
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: always accuse you of change even if you haven't. But
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: I think I've evolved. I've most certainly evolved. I've tempered
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: the way I view life. I'm more I'm definitely kinder
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: and more patient. But I'm the same person, same person,
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: like the same goals, just curious. I'm interested, like talk
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: to people, and I want everybody to do well. I
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: really genuinely do well.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: That's a that's not that's not an overly common trait.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: It should be.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: I think it should be too hard.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: I think the way you described it is great actually
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: is selfish. And I say that all the time. It
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: really is selfish a kind person.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 4: If I'm on a crusade to change the understanding of
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: that word, because I think we sell ourselves short and
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: with there is a way where what is best for
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 4: us is actually best for those amount of people and
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: vice versa.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: It's at the end of the day, it is all
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 4: got to be very personal and then to have some
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 4: dignity in it. It's the difference between choice and a mandate. No,
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 4: you got a choice, but make the fucking right choice.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 4: Measure the choice you got. You got power when you
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 4: make the choice and you deal with the consequences. I
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: love to go bogie there McConaughey, and I can look
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 4: in the mirror and go, that's on you. Yeah, I
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 4: can make a good decisions. Something works out. I can
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 4: look at the mirror and go, good man, we hit
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: that one on the screw.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: I like, I honestly like fucking up sometimes because then
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: it makes me really reset and go, oh boy, get
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: it back together.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: Let's last big fuck up you had.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: I already have a weird podcast like that one sucked,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: Like maybe I was worked out too hard for I
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: got here. That's not good like that, that's a bad
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: one that I do sometimes, Like.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 4: I'll come in charging and getting over getting ahead.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: No, like I'm worn out, and then my brain's not
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: firing on all. So like if I do legs like
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: I do a leg day, Yeah, I do a lot
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: of squats, I come into my brain, it's just like
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: wiped out. You know, that's not good. I've done that,
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, but it's just when you're not
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: on point. Okay, what did I do wrong? Why I
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: didn't get enough sleep? You know, maybe I didn't take
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: my noo tropics whatever it was. It's like, maybe I
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: didn't do enough research on the subject. Whatever it is, Like,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: let's get it back together. Pull that fucking shit back around.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 4: See that self regulation, Yeah, you're self regulating because ah,
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 4: I could have done better. I missed my mark. Oh god,
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 4: I don't like it when I do that. I'm a
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 4: litt embarrassed when I do that. Damn. Yeah, yeah, I
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: didn't get I didn't. I didn't leave that situation better
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: than I found it. I didn't come forward. I didn't
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 4: prepare enough for whatever that might be.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 4: More that across the board.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: It's good for everybody. A man, it's you gotta be
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: your own general. You're gotta be your own like you're like,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: wake up soldier. Yeah, you know. I always talk about
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: the cold plunge because it is the that is the luntile.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: People say, oh, how do you do it? Every day?
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: Listen to me very carefully. I almost don't. Every day.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: Every day I get that close to bitching out every
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: single day. I am amazed how weak I am. I'm amazed.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: Every time I go to lift that fucking lit off
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: that thing, I'm like, oh my god, I don't I'm
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: not doing this I'm not doing this. I'm not doing it.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: And then when I get in, I'm like, maybe I
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: only do a minute today. Maybe I'll get out right now.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: Don't you want to get out right now? I shut
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: the fuck up. I get to let the general talk,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: and the General's like, shut the fuck up, soldier. He
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: will stay in that water. I'm like that dude from
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: a full metal jacket outstanding this.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, regulation man, Yeah, but.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: Every day I almost don't. David Goggins told me that too,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: Who's like the most mentally strong human being I've ever met,
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: and maybe the most mentally strong human beings that's ever
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: walked to face the planet. And he said, he.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: Goes even though I run every day. Sometimes I look
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: at my sneakers. I stare at those motherfuckers for half
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 3: an hour before I put them on, just thinking to him.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's out there running like marathons literally every day.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: And he was just like, I don't want to do this.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do it. I don't want to
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: do this. Yes, he does it. That's the thing. It's
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: like people want to think that people that are mentally
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: strong don't struggle. No, you just you do struggle. You
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: always struggle. Yeah, but you win every time, right, you
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: you make sure that you win every time, and you
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: can win every time. But you gotta develop that ability
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: to make yourself do the things you don't necessarily want
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: to do but you know you should.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: It's a little bit of that. I don't know if
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 4: you ever saw that Djokovic interview on sixty minutes No
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 4: D and six minutes interview I forget his name, was
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: going like, look, so you know your mental capacity is
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 4: why you're so good, and my hunt is that Novak
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: it's because you have less negative thoughts. And Jokovic interrupts him, Ah,
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 4: you might want to pull this one up. This is good.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 4: His answer is great. He goes, no, no, no, I
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 4: have as many or more negative thoughts. I just get
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: past them quicker than others.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: Mm.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's so he's not NYE thoughts. He'sa let him
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: come and then bam, all of the way, I got
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: it on to the next.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He has control. Yeah, yeah, he has control of
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: those thoughts. They come in and he swats them down. Yeah,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: you'll have to have some negative thoughts if you're going
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: to be an elite athlete, because you have to be
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: your own worst critic. You can't be satisfied with anything.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: If you want to reach the very tip of the top.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: Every movement must be more precise and more explosive and
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: better every time you do it, and you have to
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: do all the training and you leave no stone unturned.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: And if you don't do that, you're never going to
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: reach the level that he's at in anything.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 4: Let me ask you bet this. I got a poem
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: on it, but it me just try and remember what
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: it was about. It's a success in say mma, for instance,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 4: what's a better resume for a great performance or victory?
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 4: Suffering to succeed or revenge?
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, suffering to succeed?
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, why?
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: The emotions that come with revenge crippling. And sometimes they
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: can keep you up at night and they'll they'll fuck
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: with your sleep, and then the consequences of you losing
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: are far greater because you genuinely hate this person. There's
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: a you know, some people thrive under those conditions oddly,
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: but I would think most of the time, most of
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: the time, trying to just achieve the highest version of
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: yourself is the most aspirational and I think the best
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: of the best do that. The very best the George
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: Saint Pierre's of the world.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: They do that, they're playing against themselves.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: They're playing against themselves. Yeah, they're trying to be the
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: very best version of themselves that they can be. And
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: if they do that right and leave no stun on turn,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: they can achieve greatness. But it's not going to be easy.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: It's going to be they go through hell. I mean,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: to become an elite fighter is one of the most
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: physically difficult things and then psychologically difficult things that a
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: human being can ever undertake outside of war and maybe
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: law enforcement, you know, other than that, you're dealing with
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: physical struggle the likes of most people will never experience
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: in their life. You're literally hurling bones in the direction
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: of a trained assassin, and the two of you are
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: going to do it publicly, and your underwear in front
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: of the whole world, barefoot, with these little tiny pads
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: on your knuckles and a cup over your dick, and
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: you're just gonna go out there and kick each other
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: and strangle each other. It's crazy. It's a crazy sport.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: And so there's this balance of the mind and the
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: body and the intention and how you allocate your resources
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: in time and how you manage stress, and how you
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: deal with the pressures of trying to succeed and the
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: doubts and the fears.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 4: In the suffering to succeed. Yeah, it is fair to say.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: I think it is that like the people that you know,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 4: like the seeing beyond the immediate, meaning right, we choke
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: at the goal line when we look up and get
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 4: objective and go oh shit, fourth and one, this it
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: could be the game winner. All I got to give
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 4: his one yard, whereas no, I run, I will run through,
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 4: I will use my ability, I will cross that. Bo
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: Jackson when he scored, he go through the end zone,
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 4: down the fucking tunnel. The best snipers don't aim at
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 4: the target. They aim on the other side of it.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 4: Getting through COVID. Part of what I know helped me
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 4: was going, oh, it's gonna be like this for ten years,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 4: gang family, buckle up.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah nice.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 4: Ten years it was sure, Oh shit, we were preparing
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 4: for a much longer journey, going to work out. This
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 4: is gonna be hell.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: Get ready for it, dude.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden you're like, all right,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: that's it. Wait, I'm done projecting past the goal. Cellularly,
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 4: I think wakes up something in us on survival level
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 4: that we don't choke, we don't get fatigued as quickly,
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 4: we don't want to quit sooner because we have in
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 4: our mind. No, it's the end is not right around
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 4: the corner, right, and it's it's a bit of a
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 4: mental trick. But I think that it has something to
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 4: do with that, that that what what champions do they
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: see beyond they're playing arch Manning right now, There's never
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 4: been more hype on a quarter college quarterback ever. I
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 4: believe that guy is wired and that family bloodline is
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: even wired, that they're beyond this hype, this hype. This
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: is mortal right, this is mortal ship. Guys.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: Great, it's about the process winning game.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: If you t goes and wins the championships, their preseason
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: ranked number one, never been ranked number one before. I
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 4: believe that this team is like, oh, well, thank you
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 4: for the compliment, but we're on our own mission that
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 4: being preseason ranked number one, or being on the cover
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: of freaking sports field strate is neither curse nor validation.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: It's just noise out there. And if we do it
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 4: and you go, we told you you'd be number one,
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 4: well ad you go, oh, well, thank you, but that's it.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 4: I'm not. They don't need a pep rally to go.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 4: The rest of the world thinks you can win this too, right, well, good,
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 4: good for them. We're not playing for them. We're doing
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 4: our thing. I have a mission here. I believe in
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 4: the path that I'm on, and I'm going beyond this
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 4: hype or I'm going beyond this game. I'm playing for
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 4: a whole. I'm prepared mentally and spiritually for an entire
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 4: season of hell. I'm prepared to fight this assassin on
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 4: the other side of me, that is wants to defend
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: and do to me what I want to do to them.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 4: Making the the resistance or the adversary seem bigger and
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 4: longer and going to be more tumultuous seems to be
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 4: a good way to succeed going beyond. And all of
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 4: a sudden, you look up, I get this from when
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 4: I've done my best acting. I didn't know it was
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 4: the last day when they yield cut at the end
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: of the last scene of the last day of shooting,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 4: I was walking off art see you tomorrow, and they're like, no, no,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 4: there is no tomorrow.
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: You were just in the line that's it.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 4: That's it. We wrapped. Oh shit, Oh hey, Joe, how
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 4: you doing for the first time, because you were just
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 4: locked in boom best rounds of golf. I walked off
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 4: the eighteenth green and was heading to the next tea
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 4: box to look up and realize, I know that's it.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: You played eight.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 4: Oh shit, what I shoot seventy four? Huh. I didn't
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 4: look at my scorecard on sixteen and go, if I
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 4: can just keep it in the fairway, slash three holes,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 4: maybe get in with the pards, don't bogeat. It didn't anticipate,
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 4: so I didn't get my room. I behaved and went
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 4: through the finish line. Yeah, that's something in there is
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: in suffering to succeed rather than fighting for revenge seeing
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 4: on the other side of the target.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you follow what I'm Yeah. It's also like concentrating
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: on what you're trying to do versus the impact of
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: what it is, like if I miss this, oh my god,
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: I'm fucking yeah right. Yeah. Instead of that, you're thinking
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: about I'm going to make this. This is how I
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: make this, This is how I do this.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 4: This is how I do this, this is how I behave.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 4: It's also in today's world, with all the stimulus we're
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 4: talking about in social media, et cetera, we're all sort
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 4: of living in the third person or being fed opportunities
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 4: to live in the third person all the time. It's
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 4: like we have a jumbo drawn, and to use a
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 4: football analogy, you kick me the ball. I'm running the
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 4: kick off back and I'm going down the sideline and
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 4: I see the goal line. I think I'm going to score,
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 4: and then I have a look at the jumbo trying
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 4: to see how I'm doing. That's what I'm getting tackled
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 4: from behind. If we step outside to have a look
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 4: at how we're doing.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 4: That passenger you open up talking about when you're hitting
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 4: it comedically is not hopping out over here to have
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 4: a look.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: And if you do, you'll get lost.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 4: You get lost, You get conscious of what you're behaving,
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 4: what you know how to do, what's your fashion to do,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 4: and you're out of the moment and you become objective.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: You get someone do something where we know they're the
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: zone right, like where someone runs in for a layup
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 2: and it's like the most beautiful movements avoiding the defenders
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: up in the air, drops the ball and we're like, wow,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: when we see someone just hit the zone. We see
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 2: it in a fight, when we see someone just flow,
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 2: we see someone flowing, like wow, he's feeling it. You
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: know WHOA she's locked in. We love that because we
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: know that it's somewhere in ourselves and maybe at one
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: point in your life you experienced it. Might have been
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: playing mini golf or something like it. One point in
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: your life you're like, I think I felt a little
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: bit of that, right.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 4: How much do you think preparation has to do with
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 4: the freedom to adapt and flow once you're in the game.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: A lot, A lot, a lot, Yeah, almost everything. You
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: If you're not prepared, your ability to adjust is very limited.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: You have to be fully prepared and then let it flow.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 2: But you have to like really really have all your
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: basis covered to just like just so that you don't
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: have anxiety. I could have done more. Yeah, that is
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: a big issue with fighters. We see fighters towards the
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: end of their career. There's a thing that happens with
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: fighters realize they're probably never going to be champion and
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: they're just doing it for a paycheck. And you know,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: you see sometimes they'll show up and they look a
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: little soft, and you like you see a little fear
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: in their eyes because they know they really are not focused,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: they're really not dialed in. But this is what they're
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: doing for a paycheck now, and it's not good, right
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: because the other guy on the other side of the
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: octagon is the opposite. That guy's dialed in. Yeah, maybe
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: he's only like twenty five and he's like coming into
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: his prime and you're a stepping stone for him.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 4: And it's like ooh, and the and and the problem.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 4: Fear that is what getting actually really injured. Sure more
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 4: so than if you were yourself.
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: You'll definitely take shots you wouldn't take, and then you're
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: you don't have the endurance to keep up a pace,
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: right because you look to to get to the shape
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: that you have to have to be in to be
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: able to compete in a five round MMA fight. It's
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: almost impossible to maintain like chill. Sun's talked about this extensively.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: It's like you can't keep it up. It's not like
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: a level of conditioning that you can keep up all
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: year round. You have to peek to it where you're
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: like your body's barely hanging on, and then you coast
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: the last week to allow yourself to like recover, and
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: you're just kind of going through movements the last few days,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: and then on Saturday under the bright lights, you are
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: at one hundred percent capacity. I mean, they've been monitoring
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: your fucking heart rate and checking your resting heart rate
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: and checking your blood your heart rate variability, and whether
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: your nutrient levels at you're fucking finely.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 4: Tuned for corn and that Saturday night.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: And if you're not, if you didn't cover any of
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: those bases, you're gonna know the back of your head,
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: you're gonna know, like, I'm gonna give it my best,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: But boy, I don't have a big gas tank and
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: I could have trained harder.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 4: And I'm so damn excited about this. Seems like this
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 4: the blind spot that still is there to be taking
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: advantage of for preparing for peak performance. Daryl Royal, coach
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: of the University of Texas at won a couple of
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 4: national championships here at Texas, had always said, you've got
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 4: twelve games in the year. You can expect for your
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: team to be at peak performance level two Saturdays out
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 4: of twelve. You want to make sure that those two
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 4: Saturdays are against the toughest teams. You want to make
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 4: sure that the other ones where they're like, ah, okay,
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 4: they did well, but they didn't play to their pa
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: performances are against the good teams, and you want to
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 4: do your best to make sure that the days that
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 4: they're off, you're playing the shitty teams that you can
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 4: beat even when you're not mainly there. That seems like
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 4: so much more opportunity for that number to rise today,
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 4: to have a much higher number that you can be
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 4: ready for peak performance. Who are the best preparers in
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know today in your mind.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: Well, when you get to a championship level, when you
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: get to like als Chandre Pantosio, or when you get
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: to you know, Islam Maka Cheff, when you get to
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: like that level, they're all, you're a championship level, they're all.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: They all have impeccable preparation. They're all, yes, it's impeccable, impeccable, so.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 4: It's measured, it's time, this is yeah.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: They're all dialed in with diet, they're dialed in with
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 2: their weight, they're dialed in with strength and conditioning. They're
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: dialed in with their sparring. It's impeccable. You can't compete
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: at a world class level today and not have that.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: It's not possible.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 4: So physically, yeah, mentally, yeah, are these two different coaches?
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 4: Are these one?
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: Some people don't have mental coaches at all, Some elite
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: fighters have no mental coaches, but some of them do.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: Some of them, Like we had this guy Brandon Epstein
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: the other day that he works with quite a few
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: UFC fighters and he's got a very specific protocol that
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: he ma until he prepares them for and he coaches
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: them through things and and and sets up like a
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: way to visualize and see yourself performing and see yourself
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: doing things and how you how you view your performance like,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: and to get you into a mindset where once you
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: get into that octagon, you're locked into this pathway instead
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: of like straying and letting anxiety and fear overcrom you,
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: which can happen to fighters.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: But then there's other guys that don't have any coaches
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: for that at all. They just have the mindset already
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: and they're comfortable with what they have and they just
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: stay disciplined and just go in there. It's it's very
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: personal because everybody's brain is different and everybody's They all
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: have like different ways of expressing themselves, different ways.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 4: How much is technology and diet and stuff helped a lot?
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot a lot. Technology just understanding nutritional balances.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: Understanding like when you do a nutrient analysis or your
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: blood work, click, oh, you're deficient in niosin. This is
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: your Probably you're wearing down. You don't have enough Beat
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: twelve in your system. Making sure you get the correct
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: amount of protein, Like, you can't. You can't miss any
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: of those things. If you want to achieve peak performance,
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: you have to have everything your hydration, your electrolytes, everything
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: has to be dialed in your sleep, which is one
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: of the biggest ones. Like this is like a lot
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: of these young guys. The problem is they still go
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: out and party. They're still hanging out with girls till
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning, and then they're at training
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: at eight am. Like, you can't do that and be
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: a professional and expect to be world class or expect
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 2: to beat the guys who are just as good as you.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: But get that preparation, they're going to have an advantage.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know the argument of athletes. You know, well,
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 4: who was better then or now, what would they have
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 4: done then or what would This is my my I
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 4: think that we've athletes have evolved in athletes we have
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 4: now are just better than athletes ever were.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they're.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 4: Bigger, the more powerful, they're more focused, they're more specific,
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 4: that they're just better that if they played in that time,
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 4: they would be that much better than even than they
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 4: are now. Yeah, seems to be. I think we're just
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 4: evolving that way.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: They also have the benefit of watching people do it
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: before them and do it really well, so they aspire
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: to that level and then to surpass that level. Whereas
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: those people were pioneers. Larry Bird didn't have a lot
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: of people to watch play basketball before Larry Bird. You know,
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: there was a few, but you know, black and white footage.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: It's not like you didn't see it every day. He
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: didn't have it on the internet. Now, kids they could
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: just watch every Jordan highlight reel, every time Lebron James
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: has scored, every Steph Curry three pointer. They could watch
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: it anytime they want, and then that is a level
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: that they're aspiring to. Think of all the football games
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: that kids can watch now and analyze. Think of all
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: the fights that people coming up now that want to
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: be a martial artist they can watch, and so they
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: aspire to this level that has already been achieved by
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: the greatest of all time, and then they want to
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: surpass them, which is what human beings have always done
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: athletically all throughout time. Who've It's not like guys who
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: broke records in the nineteen thirties, we don't break those today.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: Like those are not the same records, like those don't
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: hold up. We one hundred get better.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: From ninety years ago to today, there is no comparison.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: The athletes are far better, and they're going to continue
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: ninety years from now probably be if there's humans, they'll
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: probably be far better.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 4: You know. Experiments that have happened in the NFL, you know,
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 4: and I think these I think this is correct. But
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 4: I was always Washington. It was then the Redskins fan
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 4: and uh, I think it was nineteen eighty six or
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty eight that had the heaviest offensive line and
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 4: the average two eighty six somewhere around there. Those numbers
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 4: big fellows, right, but compared to today, that would be
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 4: the lightest, right. And then Dallas with Nate Newton, and
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 4: those guys had a point where they were going, Oh,
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 4: we're gonna get guys up to three. Oh, let's give
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 4: him to three forty. And they peaked when some of
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 4: them got to three sixty the bone marrow. They were big,
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 4: but they lost agility and speed and went, oh we
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 4: hit the ceiling, we went past it. We got to
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 4: come back.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: There's Hogs guy in the middle with a mustache.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 4: Jude Jakobe over here, sixty six.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: Big fellas the Hogs. What a great name. Yeah, that's hilarious.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he hit the top of like Dallas.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: It hit. They hit.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 4: They went too far. I think it was biggers better,
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 4: so let's get bigger. And then all of a sudden,
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 4: agility went, oh it's not three sixty, it's come way back,
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 4: come back down.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 2: Well, believe it or not. The UFC heavyweight division has
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: a weight class. You can't be over two hundred and
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: sixty five pounds. You can't. No, they have to weigh
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: to fight for the UFC heavyweight title, you must weigh
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty five pounds or below.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 4: So you're to seventy.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: You gotta lose weight.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 4: You don't.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 2: You got a way It's happened before where guys had
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: to lose weight to fight heavyweight. Tim Sylvia when he
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: was the UFC heavyweight Champion, had to cut weight to
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 2: hit the two hundred and sixty five pound weight class.
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: He was so big that like two sixty five was
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: a struggle for him to get down to.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 4: Isn't that number gonna have to well, I would.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 2: Assume it should, But the problem is there's actually a
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: heavyweight class above that that's super heavyweight, but we've never
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: had that in the UFC. There's never been a single
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: super heavyweight fight in the UFC. Everything has always been
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: inside the two hundred and sixty five pound weight class,
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: which I think is real weird because like.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: Where'd that number come from?
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. The numbers are real weird anyway, because
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: there's giant gaps in them. It's like one of the
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: major problems with MMA is that there's a lack of
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: weight classes. So in boxing, there's weight classes all you
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: got one twenty six, one thirty one, thirty five. It
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: goes one thirty five to one forty one, forty one,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: forty seven, one forty seven, fifty four. With the UFC,
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: it's like thirty five, forty five, fifty five, then it
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 2: goes seventy eighty five, so you got a fifteen pound
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: weight difference. And then it goes two to oh five,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: so you got twenty twenties, and then you got two
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: sixty five, so that's sixty pounds for heavyweight. It's crazy.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: The gaps are just too big, right, They're gigantic. So
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: that's a major problem with MMA in that there's less
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: weight classes than there should be. And then you have
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: a cap on heavyweight, which is bananas, Like you should
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: have no cap. Heavyweight should be How big is this guy? Like,
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 2: let him fight.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 4: Because you think you can handle him, come in.
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what about the mountain that guy from
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: Game of Thrones? If that guy had a fight in
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: the UFC, he wouldn't be able to make weight. He's
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: too big. He's that guy's almost four hundred pounds, you know.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I never knew that. I thought heavyweight's like two
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 4: sixty five up.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: What it should be.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 4: Whatever you want to come in with, that's what it
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 4: should be.
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there really should be a weight class around
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 2: two twenty five.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 4: There's something like that class would name a new class.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: Well, boxing has something like that. What is the boxing
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 2: weight class that's like below heavyweight, there's cruiser weight, but
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: then there's a new one. There's a recent one over
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: the past few years that they've developed. But that's one
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: thing that boxing does a much better job with, I
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: think providing fighters the correct weight class where they can
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: compete in. What is it called. That's it. I think
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: another one that they're calling they're calling it God, I
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 2: can't remember the name of it, super crazy, Yeah, that's it.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: I think they called it something different though they had
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: a name for it. Eh. Whatever, Maybe you'll find it,
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 2: maybe not. But the point is two sixty five is
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: the limit. So like Francis and Gano when he was
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 2: the heavyweight champion, he used to have a cut weight.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: He had to lose weight to get down to two
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: sixty five.
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 4: And then how much is he putting on that last week?
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: He's probably putting an only ten on At least he's
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: not losing a ton, but he's got to watch his
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: calorie output. Him he's a massive human.
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 4: Hey, I met him in Saudi Arabia.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: So big, he's so big. That's a real tragedy that
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: him in the UFC couldn't figure it out. That bothers
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 2: me a lot, because that guy was He was the
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: scariest heavyweight champion of all time. For sure. He put
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: guys in orbit. He would hit them, and you just go, oh,
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: it would hurt you like watching it, You're like, oh, no,
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: all men are not created equal. That's another problem with fighting.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: No matter how much preparation you have, no matter how
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: intelligent you have you are, some people are faster and
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: hit harder than you. And you ain't gonna fix that.
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: In the gym. You'll get a little better, but you're
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: never going to breege that gap.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 4: I had a dream of being an NBA basketball player.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: Was that your dream for a while? How old were you?
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 4: I was young, and I was I was like, I'm
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 4: gonna dunk. No matter how much this guy sitting here
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 4: would have worked out and hustled, I was never going
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 4: to be able to dunk. Bro didn't have the inate ability,
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 4: didn't have the DNA, didn't have the makeup.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: I bet you could. I bet you could over time.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: I bet someone could teach you how to dunk. I
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: bet if someone got you on like a serious trading
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: program when you're younger. Right now, it would be rough, rough, track,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: it would be rough on the tendons. Yes, stress, what
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: do you get to be ari? Just like her? Maybe
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be dunking. How about take dunking off the menu.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: But when you're young, I think you could teach a guy.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: But it would you know, it's not as easy as that,
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: Like for some people they could just dunk.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Well that thing about not everyone being created equal. Yeah,
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 4: you got to have inateibility.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the hustle.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 4: Ok ethic if you got both. And there's a lot
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 4: of Look, there's a lot of five star players who
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 4: don't I had the hustle.
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then there's a lot of some of the
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: most talented ones right because it's too easy to them. Yeah,
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: and some of the ones that aren't as talented but
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: just will not stop. Ye, they will not stop pushing
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: because they had to work harder for everything they ever did.
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: They have that extra gear and that allows them to
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 2: be champions.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 4: I hear more and more CEOs saying give me Johnny
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 4: and Jane hustle from Western Kentucky before Belinda and Joseph
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 4: from Harvard.
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 4: Do you need this one that's ready to come hustle
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 4: that' you're ready to get scrappy, adapt work, press the
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 4: edges on the front and the back end.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, give me that and someone is all in. Yeah,
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: you want someone who's all in. You don't want someone
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: who's like looking at the clock, wants to leave, someone
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: is just like doesn't feel like they're being appreciated enough.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: You want someone who's like fully all in on their work.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 4: Do you think there's been there's theories about with AI
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 4: coming that now more than ever, that's what you need
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 4: is the one that knows a little It has more
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 4: of a liberal arts education. I know, I know, I know,
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 4: I know a little bit a lot of things, and
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 4: I can hit many different avenues rather than be an
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 4: expertise in one certain thing. I mean, it's like, just
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 4: what six years ago you tour the campuses that were
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 4: like computer programming. That's what you want your job to be.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 4: That's what we need right now.
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: You don't now it's all done telling you don't don't
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: get into programming.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So what specifics are the jobs or the creations
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 4: of locations that are going to be out there for
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 4: our youth here coming up that are gonna be like
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 4: that's how you gotta make it. I questioned the college education.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 4: Now I question the worth of it. How much is
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 4: it still a knowledge factory that has not adapted to
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 4: changing times and needs in the workforce, and how much
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 4: of it needs to be updated for getting young men
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 4: and women prepare to go into the workforce.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. I think it's really unknown territory.
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: And I think AI is gonna take jobs away that
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: we never thought we were gonna lose. I think lawyers
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: are off, they're in trouble. Coders are gone, count gone,
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: accountants are gone. Yeah, it's gonna be really fucking weird.
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be really weird for Hollywood. I mean, you've
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: seen some of these films that if you've seen the
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: old Star Wars that they're doing, they're remaking Star Wars
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: with AI, with old Luke Skywalker like when he was young,
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: like when Luke Skywalker's they're doing completely new scenes that
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 2: look exactly like HD versions of Star Wars in nineteen
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 2: seventy five is what it looks like, but it's in
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: HD today with AI using Mark Hamill's voice, so it
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: sounds exactly like him as young Luke Skywalker. It's bananas, man,
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 2: it's bananas. There's a lot of weirdness with music. There's
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of weirdness with literature. You're going to have
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 2: all sorts of aich So no one knows what's going
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 2: to survive this. I think I assume that a bunch
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 2: of people at the end of the day are going
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 2: to get really sick of artificially created things and want
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: something that they know was made by a person, whether
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: it's a book that is made by a person or
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 2: a song like an Oliver anthems.
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 4: We're gonna want.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna want books. Yeah, books are gonna be
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: like like you know, some people just love vinyl, Yeah,
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 2: love them. They just love the pressing, the needle down,
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 2: hearing the crackle, and that's that's what. There's gonna be
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of that. Still, people are gonna want to
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 2: buy books from people that actually wrote the book. They're
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 2: going to want to go to see a guy perform
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 2: music in an actual club where you see the guy
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 2: on stage, you know it's live. That there is always
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 2: going to be a desire for handmade things. A guy
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 2: made this table, I know them, you know. But other
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 2: than that, man, no one knows it's the unknown because
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 2: no one knows what the capabilities of these things are
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: going to be.
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 4: Well, and the the tech, the the AI tech companies
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 4: keep saying, now, trust is a lot of jobs is
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 4: gonna be lost. But I had going to create so
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 4: many other jobs. But I haven't heard him. You want
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 4: to answer what those jobs are going to be?
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even think they know. Honestly, they don't
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 2: even know why these things are so good at what
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 2: they are good at. They keep getting smarter and smarter
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: and they blow them away. Like Elon told me that
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: every week is like these new discoveries there. It's like,
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 2: what this is crazy? Like every week we're blown away.
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 2: So they just it just keeps getting more and more capable.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: We don't know where this is going. So if you're
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 2: in college right now, like I mean, it's so cliche
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 2: to say follow your dream, but really do follow your
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: fucking dream because that might be the only thing that
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: you've got, right Because if you think you're just going
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 2: to get a really good job in an industry that
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: might be completely wiped out in three years by AI,
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 2: that's a lot of people are going to be going
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 2: down that path.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 4: A lot. Yeah, Yeah, it's crime going to go up.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 4: You have people out of jobs, they're going to be
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 4: you know, what are these people.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 2: Going to do? Could? I think it's universal basic income.
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 2: It's probably the only way to solve, at least on
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 2: the short term where how we're going to lose a
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff. Look at you, man, you've got a
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 2: lot of little tabs in there. I organized, you're very organized.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 4: Well these are one day. I thought it could be
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 4: cool comment that that cool conversation starters for for us,
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 4: and we've kind of covered actually some of them. You
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 4: read anyone read poems on the show before?
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Alex Friedman, he there you go. All right, you
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: want to find a good one. We'll wrap it up
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: with a great poem.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, let's go do.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 2: This book is out right now, No.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 4: September sixteenth, Oh, September sixteenth. This is a fun one
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 4: that I wrote. It's kind of based on it's called
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 4: it's based on extra credit. It's kind of relying on
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 4: fate or extra credit that we get that sometimes we
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 4: rely on the extra credit participation trophies. It's where this
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 4: one kind of started from me. So I it's a
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 4: fun one and it may get us talking about something.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 4: It's called tips included, okay, when extra credits included, credit
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 4: doesn't get its due. When more gives us less, the
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 4: exchange rate's gone askew. When amnesty is offered going into
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 4: the crime, we're more bound to commit it. Because there
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 4: is no fine. We start playing to tie instead of
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 4: going for the win. When participation's the trophy for every
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 4: cow in the pen. If I still on the porch
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 4: because you picked up the slack when you look over
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 4: your shoulder, I can't have you back. If there is
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 4: no curfew, we'll stay out all night. No tab at
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 4: our bar, we get drunken, start a fight. All these
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 4: long lenses got us losing our sight. You keep lifting
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 4: it for me. I'm gonna lose all my might. When
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 4: a four star duty suits a six star rate, we
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 4: take our hands off the wheel, rely on fate. Eating
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 4: all we can as all we can eat buffet gives
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 4: us a three point eight education and a four point
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 4: two GPA. We steal from ourselves and get away with
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 4: the scam. What's the measure of merit with less? Give
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 4: a damn? These unlimited options, rom they sure got me confused.
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 4: While all the conveniences keep me properly loubed in this
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 4: red light district with the horror of inflation. The roi's
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 4: math don't pay for the vacation. So let's just admit it.
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 4: This extra credit's quite a fluffer because when the tips included,
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 4: the service will suffer.
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 2: That's great, that's really good and dead on you, fucking
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 2: right on the head, perfect fun man.
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I got I think I came win
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 4: myte The eleventh place team got the same.
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 8: Sized trophy as the first place team, and I was like,
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 8: they went oh and ten, but the winning team went
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 8: ten and oh you kind of like saying, oh, the
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 8: winning team went five and five and the losing team
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 8: went five and five.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 4: Hey, I don't get it. Don't hurt you, don't hurt
• 2:38:38
  Speaker 4: the feelings, don't lose, don't get told no.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 2: Your feelings have to get hurt sometimes that's how you
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 2: learn and grow. And you can't protect anybody from that.
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 2: And that's the problem. We want to do that with
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: our children. With all my best friends, all my favorite
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 2: people had terrible chaotic childhoods and they all became very
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 2: interesting people. But I don't want my kids to have
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 2: a terrible chaotic child have like a wonderful, love filled,
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 2: you know, bountiful childhood. But that comes with well, I
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 2: think they have to find things that they uh that
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 2: they find that are difficult, that they get engrossed with.
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 2: They they really love to pursue, and fortunately my kids
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 2: do that. But I think you have to have a struggle,
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: you have to have a task if you just want
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: to like, oh, you get a trophy too, everybody gets
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: a trophy. It's okay, No, there's no losers got hard quit.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: When my kids were real little, one of my daughters
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 2: was playing in a soccer game and they didn't They
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: wouldn't say the score, Like, but I know the fucking score.
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 2: I just watched they lost. This is so crazy. But
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: they were doing this in California. They had like scoreless games.
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I mean, but look, why are you
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 2: trying to score? Then? Why are you trying to or
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 2: if you don't count it? This doesn't make any sense.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: This is soccer.
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 4: Soccer has aie trying to keep them from scoring.
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly. What's the point, everybody, what's the rules? Picking up
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: with your hands? This is stupid. If you don't have
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 2: a loser, you don't have a desire to get better,
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 2: to become a winner. That's the part of the process.
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 2: Sometimes kids lose and they cry. And by the way,
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: if you don't ever go through that, then you don't
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: understand how to lose, so you never develop a healthy
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 2: ability to manage competitiveness. Some people just never get that.
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 2: They never get healthy competition makes for a very unhealthy
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: person to not be able to just compete.
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 4: Well, especially once they leave the house. Yes, and they're
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 4: on their own because the world chair plays by the
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 4: rules and the score is kept. Yes, and you don't
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 4: win everyone no matter how good you are. Yes, and
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 4: there's nobody coming back. I can to tuck you in
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 4: bed and say it's okay, let's put some ice on it.
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 2: Your regal man that wake up call, that's cold.
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 4: I got a cool movie coming out called The Lost Bus.
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 4: Will be out in October. It's gonna be in theaters
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks and it goes on Apple
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 4: and streams. Remember the Paradise Fires in twenty eighteen in Paradise, California. Yes, yeah,
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 4: I think I think the numbers thirty people or so died.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 4: Jamie Lee Curtis heard this story on NPR and went
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 4: to Jason Bloom and Jason Bloom went to Paul Greengrass,
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 4: who was the director of Captain Phillips United ninety three
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 4: Black Sunday, really good action director but also with a
• 2:41:42
  Speaker 4: good personal dramatic story in it. And then they came
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 4: to me for it. And there were a lot of
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 4: heroic people that at that time that went ran towards
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 4: the crisis instead of away from the crisis. But this
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 4: one particular story about this bus driver and this teacher
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 4: that got twenty two kids to safety was the story
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 4: we picked to tell, and we went and shot it
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 4: in Santa Fe. This guy that this guy that I
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 4: play is Oh, here's the trailer.
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not listening to just tell me what the
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 2: trailers going on.
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 4: Okay. So this guy, Kevin, and our story comes back
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 4: home because his dad has passed away and he's going
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 4: to take care of his widowed mother and try to
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 4: reunite with his son, which, by the way, check this out, Joe,
• 2:42:38
  Speaker 4: my mom plays my mom and LEVI.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 2: Plays my son. Oh wow, your mom plays me. Well
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 2: that's cool. Yeah.
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 4: So he comes back through that and he gets a
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 4: part time jobs as a school bus driver. He goes
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 4: out that morning there's a fire coming across the canyon.
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 4: As they always do, no problem, you know, first responders
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 4: head out. Well, by the afternoon he had got no
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 4: out of hand and was jump in the canyon. And
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 4: so that afternoon as he's now decided, oh shit, I
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 4: gotta go back and get my mom and my son.
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 4: Neither one of them even drive get them to safety.
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 4: All the way home, barging home to go, barge down
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 4: the highway to go get them. A call comes through dispatch.
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 4: I got twenty two stranded kids on the east side
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 4: of town. Is anyone over there at an empty bus?
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 4: WHOA guess who's got an empty bus? Fuck? I want
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 4: to go get my mom and my son. Man, but
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 4: he takes the call and says, I'll go get him.
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 4: He goes and gets them a teacher. Their teacher gets
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 4: on the bus, and this is their story of about
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 4: eight hours of going through hell and how and if
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 4: they got out of it, and really awesome adrenaline pumped
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 4: action which you're gonna get from Green Grass and a
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 4: story like that, like the fire. This is as good
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 4: as fire movie as there's been. The fires are a
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 4: fucking predator. It's from the POV it's like Jaws. The
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 4: fire is actually like the Shark and Jaws in this thing,
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 4: plus a really cool story of redemption, father sons and uh,
• 2:44:06
  Speaker 4: you know, two people doing what they can to survive
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 4: when there were no there were no contact. All the
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  Speaker 4: telephone towers are down and the dispatch of town no
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  Speaker 4: one had any contact. So he didn't know if his
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  Speaker 4: mom and son were okay. He didn't know where to go,
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  Speaker 4: where the traffic jams were. And what happened is the
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  Speaker 4: first responders left early to go get the fires. When
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  Speaker 4: they got there, it had already jumped the canyon. So
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  Speaker 4: when they were coming back to town the mandatory evacuation,
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  Speaker 4: the whole town's leaving. He couldn't get back in town.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a it's a bit of a horror film
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  Speaker 4: in that way. But moving on, fire Man, Yeah, that is.
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  Speaker 2: What it feels like if you ever get stuck in
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  Speaker 2: one of those things, it feels like a monster. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that sounds awesome.
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  Speaker 4: It's that. It's pretty good. It's tough, tough movie, but
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  Speaker 4: a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful. Yeah, I can't wait to see it, cool man,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being here. Man. It's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. Thank you. And that poem was awesome,
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  Speaker 2: really good. So dead on the head that's the best
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 2: participation trophy poem of all time. That's really good. The
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  Speaker 2: book is called There. It is right there. Poems and
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  Speaker 2: Prayers out soon pre order. Now did you do the audio?
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  Speaker 2: You did? Yeah, of course you did. I have to.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have an actor do your voice? How dare
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 2: that would be impossible? Okay, thank you, brother, appreciate you. Goodbye, everybody,