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No Dribble Summer Series - Nuthin' Compares 2 U · No Dribble

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the No Dribble Summer Series. We're not actually
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Speaker 1: here because we're having a well earned not that well earned,
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Speaker 1: but a break. Anyway. Where are you cat.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've got buttsweather at the moment it's hot. I
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Speaker 2: think I need a cocktail it is. Where's my poor.
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Speaker 1: Boy, Lizzie? You're off somewhere.
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Speaker 2: Where are you? I'm sorry, justin Tazzy drinking so much
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Speaker 2: local whiskey that'll probably see a Tasmanian tiger and forget
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Speaker 2: what I'm.
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Speaker 1: About to say. This is the No Dribble Summer Series. Enjoy, guys,
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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the No Dribble Summer Series. I'm
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Speaker 1: Carolyn Swindell and I'm joined only by well business not
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Speaker 1: here this week, but I do have an extraordinarily special
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Speaker 1: guest this week. And Catherine's got her mask on so
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Speaker 1: has no idea. But we're actually all sitting elbow to
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Speaker 1: el here, so if you can identify her brother, I've
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Speaker 1: already given it away.
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Speaker 2: It's her. I have been trying to smell and there's
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Speaker 2: no sense and it's reminded me of any one.
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Speaker 1: That is a good thing. All right, I've given you
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Speaker 1: an early clue and this one's going to be easy
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Speaker 1: for you.
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Speaker 2: We've lost Liz.
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Speaker 1: Into techno horror Land, so she would like to be
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Speaker 1: here with us, but unfortunately she can't. And now we've
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Speaker 1: run out of times she has.
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Speaker 2: When you say techno horror Land, I'm getting that's that technology.
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Speaker 1: That is the thumping in my brain at the moment.
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Speaker 1: And God, we've got to get someone qualified to do
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Speaker 1: this stuff for us instead of me. Okay, ok I'm ready,
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Speaker 1: Oh jeepers, Okay, I've got so much to talk about
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Speaker 1: with this special guest today. We are very excited to
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Speaker 1: have this particular special guest. Twenty seven years with the
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Speaker 1: National League. It's probably just got as well. Let me
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Speaker 1: let me tell you some stuff. Anyway, five Premiership Coach
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Speaker 1: of the Year should have been multiple times. Right, she
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Speaker 1: doesn't even know how many times, has coached more than
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Speaker 1: four hundred games at the top level of our sport.
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Speaker 1: Just because it's interesting, I'm going to tell you that
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Speaker 1: she's an Aquarius. Okay, harmony and understanding. Feel free to
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Speaker 1: join in sympathy and trust what you're talking about. Okay,
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Speaker 1: has been the new South Wales state coach. The Australian
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Speaker 1: Diamonds assistant coach. Apparently she's a bit of fan of AFL.
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Speaker 2: Only one team, though very passionate about one team. Only
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Speaker 2: is it this Swan's Oh my god, the Giants?
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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, but okay? And drink of choice because tradition
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Speaker 1: dictates that this is the one that you go. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I know who it is.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what it is. It's red wine it is.
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Speaker 1: Do you know what red wine? Can you pronounce what
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Speaker 1: red wine it is? It is Julie Fitzgerald.
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Speaker 2: Maybe shouldn't have started with the twenty seven years in
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Speaker 2: the competition because only one coach has ever done that
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Speaker 2: and will ever do that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Incredible?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you want?
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Speaker 3: Hi? Nice to be here?
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Speaker 1: You are a model of patients. We've had forty minutes
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Speaker 1: of me using all the swear words as I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to work out the tech stuff.
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Speaker 2: And me sitting in a blindfall that entire time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hoping to get some good ghosts today. A
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Speaker 1: Jeels and Liz isn't here, so open up.
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Speaker 2: I want to start with what you've been doing since
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Speaker 2: you're retired.
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Speaker 3: I've been very busy since I retired. I got to
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Speaker 3: spend a week in Canberra down at the Diamonds in
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Speaker 3: twenty one to nineteen camp with the South Pacific coaches,
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Speaker 3: which was fascinating to meet all these coaches from all
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Speaker 3: over the South Pacific, I think. Then I went off
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Speaker 3: to the muld Ives and had a week in the
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Speaker 3: mauld Dives, which was nothing like you picture. Everyone thinks
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Speaker 3: of over water villas, but their city is actually one
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Speaker 3: of the most densely populated cities in the world and
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Speaker 3: it's just absolute chaos and I loved every minute of it.
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Speaker 3: They compared to what we have in Australia, they have
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Speaker 3: nothing over there, so any support that where I can
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Speaker 3: give in anyway, I'm going to really enjoy my work
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Speaker 3: with the mald Ives.
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Speaker 2: So is that an ongoing thing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going for one week four times a year,
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Speaker 3: so about each quarter I'll drop in and see what
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Speaker 3: I can do. But there's a lot of work to
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Speaker 3: be done and they're really trying to grow the sport
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Speaker 3: over there with absolute facilities. So they don't even have
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Speaker 3: a legal court, so their national team could never invite
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Speaker 3: anyone to the Maldives because they don't have a court.
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Speaker 3: So working out and juggling all these things has been
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Speaker 3: quite fascinating and hopefully we can make a little bit
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Speaker 3: of a difference somewhere along the line. There.
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Speaker 1: Could you tack on a week of the Overwater Oh God,
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Speaker 1: and on one of your future visits.
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Speaker 3: They did give me two days at the Overwater Villa
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Speaker 3: when I got there, and I highly recommend them. I
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Speaker 3: just don't want people to think that's how Muldabians. Maldavians
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Speaker 3: live because their city is just so densely populated. No
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Speaker 3: one owns a car. Everyone travels by taxi or on motorbike,
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Speaker 3: and there are just billions of motorbikes.
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Speaker 2: I'm getting Ballei vibes.
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Speaker 3: It's Barley on steroids and like these little tiny kids
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Speaker 3: throwing on the back of motorbikes with no helmets and
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Speaker 3: it's just chaos crossing the roads. Terrifying. But I loved
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Speaker 3: every minute of it.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Quick trivia question, what is the capital of the Maldives?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely no idea you'd like it.
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Speaker 1: It's male I mean it's Marlay, But there you go.
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Speaker 2: I won't ever forget that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not know that from my raft of trivia.
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Speaker 1: Julie did tell me.
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Speaker 2: Put that on your list of trivia questions going forward.
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Speaker 2: And then what else? Jules, I know you're part of
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Speaker 2: the Constellation Cup.
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Speaker 3: But I came back from there and I hosted a
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Speaker 3: little too for Netfit, which went to the Australia New
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Speaker 3: Zealand test in Hamilton, and I love that because that
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Speaker 3: was where I was living when I was coaching in
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Speaker 3: New Zealand, so I got to see a lot of
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Speaker 3: old friends Hamilton, but I was in Cambridge, which is
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Speaker 3: another world to Hamilton. It's most beautiful town. So I
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Speaker 3: loved being there and I'm off to do by at
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Speaker 3: the end of the month.
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Speaker 2: Oh why didn't you retire earlier?
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Speaker 3: I do ask myself that question every morning. I don't
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Speaker 3: think you ever understand how much pressure you're under until
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Speaker 3: you wake up every morning and all of a sudden
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Speaker 3: you haven't got that pressure. It's the best feeling in
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Speaker 3: the world.
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Speaker 2: That's a quick question. Then what that first day that
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Speaker 2: you had no responsibility? What did you do? Did you
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Speaker 2: still does your body clock still wake you up and
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Speaker 2: you're still thinking about things? Or were you just like,
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Speaker 2: oh my god, holy hell, what am I going to
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Speaker 2: do now?
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Speaker 3: I still have nights when I struggled to get to sleep,
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Speaker 3: because that was a major problem for me. The whole
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Speaker 3: time I was coaching, I used to struggle to get
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Speaker 3: to sleep, and if I woke up in the middle
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Speaker 3: of the night, I couldn't go back to sleep because
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Speaker 3: you just got so much to think about and so
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Speaker 3: much going on in your head. So I do sleep
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Speaker 3: a lot better now.
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Speaker 1: Oh great, tell.
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Speaker 2: Me about this last year too, because I think everyone
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Speaker 2: will remember the last game of the season and Joe
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Speaker 2: Harton getting her moment in the sun. Now. I knew
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Speaker 2: that you were retiring, and I begged and pleaded with
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Speaker 2: you to let us tell everybody because twenty seven years,
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Speaker 2: four hundred plus games, no one will ever eclipse that,
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Speaker 2: and it needed recognition. But why did you choose to
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Speaker 2: keep quiet? Then?
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Speaker 3: I think there's a few reasons why. There was a
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Speaker 3: hell of a lot going on in the club, and
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Speaker 3: Joe it was her last game, and she was our
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Speaker 3: captain and has such a long and illustrious career. I
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Speaker 3: felt she really did deserve the moment. But I was
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Speaker 3: also a bit selfish to do in the sense that
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Speaker 3: I was quite emotional about it, and I told the
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Speaker 3: team the day before, which got rid of all the emotion,
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Speaker 3: and I was desperate to win that game. Meant it
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Speaker 3: meant a lot to us where we won on the ladder.
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Speaker 3: I wanted us to finish on a high. I wanted
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Speaker 3: us to go out playing well. And I think if
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Speaker 3: I'd tried to announce it and made a big deal
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Speaker 3: about the fact that it was my last game, I
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Speaker 3: don't know that I would have held it together. So
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Speaker 3: this way, I got rid of all the emotion with
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Speaker 3: the players the day before and I could just concentrate
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Speaker 3: on winning that game. And as it turned out, I'm
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Speaker 3: just so happy the way it finished, Joe shooting that
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Speaker 3: too on the bell. So being able to go out Jamie, Lee,
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Speaker 3: Joe and Casey was very special for me personally, So
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Speaker 3: I don't feel I missed out on anything.
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Speaker 2: But do you know how much you sucked to the
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Speaker 2: rest of us because we didn't get a moment to
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Speaker 2: celebrate you.
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Speaker 3: But you wouldn't have got the occasion to organize me
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Speaker 3: a great party where so many people came that. I
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Speaker 3: was so impressed with how many people bothered to come
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Speaker 3: to that afternoon. So you wouldn't have got to do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what about the rest of the public. It
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Speaker 2: was Honestly, it was one of those moments where I
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Speaker 2: thought this is typical Juli fitsterel class. I thought so too.
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Speaker 1: I just I thought it was an extraordinarily graceful and
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Speaker 1: generous gesture. And yeah, I take my hat off to you.
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Speaker 1: It was really it was. It was lovely.
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Speaker 3: I had all my family there and we had a
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Speaker 3: great night back at the club. I shouldn't say that
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Speaker 3: because Vicki's family wasn't there, but most of them were
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Speaker 3: there and we had a great night back at the club.
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Speaker 3: Then I thought I got everything I needed.
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Speaker 1: So what did you do before coaching?
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was black and white days.
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Speaker 3: What was that? I have pretty much always coached, but
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Speaker 3: before I got to be a professional coach, while the
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Speaker 3: kids were little, I used to run all these businesses
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Speaker 3: from home, which just kept money ticking over his pack,
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Speaker 3: air fresheners and all sorts of wonderful things that I
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Speaker 3: could do at home because they were very little and
9:08
Speaker 3: I was on my own, so I kind of felt
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Speaker 3: that I couldn't go out and work nine to five
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Speaker 3: because I didn't know what I was going to do
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Speaker 3: with them. So did a few businesses from home, and
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Speaker 3: then I think John was in about year five when
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Speaker 3: Hornsby kringa Basketball asked me if i'd be their CEO,
9:23
Speaker 3: and at the time, they said work nine till three
9:26
Speaker 3: and school holidays off. And they made it very attractive,
9:28
Speaker 3: and of course within a week you were so engrossed
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Speaker 3: in the place that we practically lived there. But that
9:33
Speaker 3: was perfect too, because the stadium was just down the
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Speaker 3: road from the school the kids went to. They used
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Speaker 3: to just come to work after school and they'd play
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Speaker 3: and ref and umpire and do all those things. And
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Speaker 3: I had great friends, so i'd live in there and
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Speaker 3: go off and train the swifts at PLC and come
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Speaker 3: back and hope they were still alive, and we'd go home.
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Speaker 2: But your kids, because we've grown up with your kids,
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Speaker 2: and I am such great mates with all of your kids.
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Speaker 2: Our kids are great mates with your grain kids as well.
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Speaker 2: From their point of view, what do they say about
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Speaker 2: being in the netball world their whole lives because they
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Speaker 2: don't know any differently. But I can only imagine what
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Speaker 2: a special environment that would be. I used to throw
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Speaker 2: the ball with John when he was God when we're
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Speaker 2: training at PLC.
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Speaker 3: How he didn't throw the ball with John. You and
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Speaker 3: John used to try and throw the ball in the
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Speaker 3: air and see if you could hit the lights a PC.
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Speaker 2: But we used to do this with their kids. The
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Speaker 2: kids would always be at training. It was like having
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Speaker 2: this extended family, which was so special for us. But
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Speaker 2: I wondered through their eyes, you know what they thought
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Speaker 2: of it all.
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Speaker 3: It's interesting and I've told this story before and I
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Speaker 3: think it's a really good thing for every working mother.
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Speaker 3: But I split my whole life feeling guilty. I thought
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Speaker 3: I should go and get a real job where I
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Speaker 3: owned real money and look after them properly, and give
10:46
Speaker 3: up netball and all of those sorts of things. And
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Speaker 3: I think every working mother feels guilt regardless of what
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Speaker 3: you're doing. I think you feel guilty.
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Speaker 1: And isn't it a useless emotion? Yeah, most fruitless.
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Speaker 3: One of my we were all having dinner around the
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Speaker 3: table one night, and one of my girls said they
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Speaker 3: fe guilty about how much time they went they spent away,
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Speaker 3: and I said, oh, I live with that my whole life,
11:05
Speaker 3: while you know, you were little. I just felt so guilty.
11:08
Speaker 3: And they were amazed because they said, we had a ball.
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Speaker 3: We loved it, and like the three girls got to
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Speaker 3: grow up with the most amazing role models. John made
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Speaker 3: the most of being counted around their ball games his
11:18
Speaker 3: whole life. And I do think the fact that I
11:21
Speaker 3: think we proved that if you want to do something,
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Speaker 3: you can do it. You've just got to work really
11:25
Speaker 3: hard to make it happen. And it was hard work,
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Speaker 3: Like I used to be exhausted, but I wanted it
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Speaker 3: all so much, and I wanted home to be perfect,
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Speaker 3: and I wanted to be able to follow netball and
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Speaker 3: the kids to have everything they needed. I think we
11:37
Speaker 3: did prove to them that if you want something badly enough,
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Speaker 3: you can do it. And now I've got kids who
11:41
Speaker 3: amazed me what they're achieving, and I think maybe when
11:44
Speaker 3: you look back on those days, they might have gained
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Speaker 3: something from that.
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Speaker 2: Jewels, you're the most incredible role model to those kids.
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Speaker 2: A single mum who's trying to do everything and do
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Speaker 2: it so well, you've ended up with a lawyer, a barrister,
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Speaker 2: a doctor, and John's in construction, like every kid, absolutely
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Speaker 2: killing it.
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Speaker 1: More importantly, they like you. They come and see you
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Speaker 1: and spend time with you.
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Speaker 2: But it's because of what you've set. As you know,
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Speaker 2: they've just got this incredible work ethic because they've seen
12:14
Speaker 2: you have to juggle all of that, and it's just
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Speaker 2: it was so special for us as players having them there,
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Speaker 2: and I just was really intrigued just to what they
12:22
Speaker 2: thought about the whole experience.
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Speaker 3: And I think, I'll say lucky, like when they were
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Speaker 3: little kids, they'd come to training and play around with
12:28
Speaker 3: you lot and enjoy that. And then towards the end
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Speaker 3: they were still at every single game, and all the
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Speaker 3: grandkids were at every single game, and they supported me
12:34
Speaker 3: all the way. Even when I was in New Zealand,
12:36
Speaker 3: they used to have a bit of a roster, so
12:38
Speaker 3: there was always someone over in New Zealand about every
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Speaker 3: six weeks, so I never really felt on my own
12:42
Speaker 3: over there. So I'm incredibly grateful for the support that
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Speaker 3: they gave me for all those years.
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Speaker 2: What was it?
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Speaker 3: Can you?
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Speaker 2: Is there a highlight your Your career is so long,
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Speaker 2: twenty seven years is massive, But is there a period
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Speaker 2: of time or a couple of different seasons, of different
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Speaker 2: clubs or anything that stand out.
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Speaker 3: I think much I'm in New Zealand was amazing because
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Speaker 3: I made such wonderful friends over there, and I had
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Speaker 3: great players in my team, and that was a great time.
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Speaker 3: And then you look back on the Grand Finals. But
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Speaker 3: I often say that two thousand and eight Grand Final
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Speaker 3: when you look at the great players that we lost
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Speaker 3: in the two years leading up to that, We'd lost
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Speaker 3: Liz and Allison and Monia and we were not even
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Speaker 3: in the bedding. To come into the top four that
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Speaker 3: year and to have won that against Magic that year,
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Speaker 3: I think that possibly is one of my highlights because
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Speaker 3: that was a team of players. I don't think you
13:30
Speaker 3: were in the Australian team at the time. We didn't
13:33
Speaker 3: have stars of any sort in that team, and it
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Speaker 3: was really just such a team and we just slowly
13:38
Speaker 3: built through across the season and all of a sudden
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Speaker 3: we were in finals and we thought we could probably
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Speaker 3: do this, and I thought that was an incredible win,
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Speaker 3: just because it wasn't a team of stars.
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Speaker 2: I'd been in the team for twelve years. Actually the
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Speaker 2: Australian team.
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Speaker 3: I don't I think two thousand and eight was one
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Speaker 3: of the yearsual a bating to get back in or
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Speaker 3: were on the castor something like that.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, if I had played every game
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Speaker 2: of netball with the Diamonds for the years that I'd
14:05
Speaker 2: set on the bench, I'd be the most capped diamond.
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Speaker 3: After that, you then became a real fixture in the Diamonds.
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Speaker 3: But I think in that year you were still fighting
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Speaker 3: to stampy mark on the team. What about do I
14:21
Speaker 3: dare ask about low points? Oh, there's lots of low points.
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Speaker 3: I think the lowest point in my career was the
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Speaker 3: two Hubs. I think I don't know if I could
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Speaker 3: ever do that again.
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Speaker 1: Except everyone and moved up there the best times of
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Speaker 1: their life.
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Speaker 2: I'm intrigued why, because obviously we're not dealing with what
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Speaker 2: you guys were.
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Speaker 3: I think it's because it's such an unnatural way to
14:50
Speaker 3: live your life. You're living with your team, You've got
14:52
Speaker 3: nothing to do but netball. We kept getting moved around
14:56
Speaker 3: at little notice. We'd fly from one state to another
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Speaker 3: at the drop of a hat. I think little issues
15:02
Speaker 3: became bigger issues that were because you were in that environment.
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Speaker 3: I missed home terribly. It was just such an unnatural
15:10
Speaker 3: thing and I found it really, really difficult. But while
15:14
Speaker 3: finding it really difficult, I had the most resilient team
15:18
Speaker 3: because we'd asked April Lettin to come into our team.
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Speaker 3: She had a very young baby. She we talked away
15:23
Speaker 3: through that she could come into our team and April Brandley,
15:26
Speaker 3: I should say, And then she'd only agreed and been
15:30
Speaker 3: training with us for a couple of weeks when we said, well,
15:32
Speaker 3: actually we're going into a hub. How do you feel
15:34
Speaker 3: about that? And her husband took time off work and
15:36
Speaker 3: the baby came and they went into the hub. And
15:39
Speaker 3: my team was so resilient, and every time we had
15:42
Speaker 3: to move it was such a hassle and she had
15:44
Speaker 3: to pack up a family and move it. But the
15:46
Speaker 3: girls were just so here we go again, and they
15:48
Speaker 3: made the most of everything. And they were so resilient.
15:50
Speaker 3: You knew you had to hold it together, that you
15:53
Speaker 3: had to set the example. This is fine, we can
15:55
Speaker 3: do this. We'll be fine. And I think we made
15:57
Speaker 3: the grund final the first hub, and I think just
16:00
Speaker 3: the resilience of our girls and their attitude to make
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Speaker 3: the most of everything was what goddess there it was
16:05
Speaker 3: against the Swifts. Wasn't that a grand finale? Because it's
16:07
Speaker 3: such a tragedy that the year the two teams played
16:10
Speaker 3: it wasn't in Sydney.
16:26
Speaker 1: Can you talk to me about last season? Season twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five Super Apple seasons? It was tough for Giants,
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Speaker 1: but I actually thought the Giants were the most inspirational
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Speaker 1: team in the comp this year, Like I.
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Speaker 2: Really loved it.
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Speaker 1: I went and joined the club this year as a
16:42
Speaker 1: result of that, because it was just like this is
16:45
Speaker 1: going to happen. You could see the see the what
16:48
Speaker 1: do you do as a coach where you're not getting
16:52
Speaker 1: the results on court? And consistently you're not getting the
16:54
Speaker 1: results on court, and it was like no bit of
16:56
Speaker 1: luck could go your way at all. For a while,
16:58
Speaker 1: there was it, and then you Jody Anne got her injury.
17:02
Speaker 1: What do you do as a leader in an organization
17:05
Speaker 1: like that to try to keep these young people positive
17:09
Speaker 1: and motivated and I guess focused on the task.
17:13
Speaker 3: I think one of the reasons why it was so
17:14
Speaker 3: frustrating for me was I don't know that I've had
17:18
Speaker 3: a team that trained better and put more effort in
17:20
Speaker 3: and our sessions were really good and all of that.
17:23
Speaker 3: But I do think, and it's some an excuse, I
17:25
Speaker 3: think it's a reason why the Giants can really take
17:28
Speaker 3: off in the years to come. Half of our team
17:31
Speaker 3: was under twenty three, and the development of those under
17:34
Speaker 3: twenty three players and the growth that we've had in
17:36
Speaker 3: that team, I think they're on a bit of a springboard.
17:39
Speaker 3: I think they can really take off now if we
17:41
Speaker 3: stick with those young players and all the work that
17:43
Speaker 3: we've put into them. And they've all come through our academy,
17:45
Speaker 3: so it's been a long process. So I think that
17:49
Speaker 3: you mightn't have had success in winning Grand finals, but
17:52
Speaker 3: we had four at the Australian Camp, Dianustralian Diamonds Camp,
17:56
Speaker 3: we had two in the Australian Under twenty ones. We've
17:58
Speaker 3: constantly had players in that Fast five program.
18:00
Speaker 2: Amy Sliger, the Team of the.
18:02
Speaker 3: Year, Slider Team of the Year, Jamie Lee Price.
18:05
Speaker 1: Diamond, Aaron O'Brien getting the call up for the camp.
18:09
Speaker 1: So good.
18:10
Speaker 3: I think we've had a lot of success and those
18:12
Speaker 3: young players, they're all great young players. They're level headed players,
18:16
Speaker 3: they know where they're at, they know where they can go,
18:18
Speaker 3: and I think we can. I think the future looks
18:21
Speaker 3: very very bright for Giants if we stick with those
18:22
Speaker 3: young ones.
18:23
Speaker 1: So I'm interested in the Sleepless Nights. So you just
18:28
Speaker 1: had a sniff of things might be turning around, and
18:30
Speaker 1: then Jodanne got her injury and then you came up
18:34
Speaker 1: with this idea that I think is the nuts stroke
18:41
Speaker 1: this is incredible. How can we get Casey Coppua out
18:45
Speaker 1: of retirement to come and do this? Hats off? That
18:50
Speaker 1: was amazing. So was that a middle of the night
18:52
Speaker 1: thing or is this something had you been thinking about
18:54
Speaker 1: it for a while that it's.
18:55
Speaker 3: Like a I did think about it all night the
18:57
Speaker 3: night before, and I've got great faith in Casey. She
19:02
Speaker 3: wasn't going to do it unless she could do it,
19:04
Speaker 3: and I was driving to work the next morning. It
19:06
Speaker 3: was about seven o'clock in the morning, and all throughout
19:09
Speaker 3: the play, I text her and said, how do you
19:11
Speaker 3: feel like playing a couple of games? And she rove
19:15
Speaker 3: back and said, what are you talking about? And I said,
19:17
Speaker 3: Jodianna had done anee I needed a defender. Would she
19:20
Speaker 3: come across and play a couple of games until telling
19:22
Speaker 3: McDonald came back and she said no, I'm way too
19:26
Speaker 3: old and too slow. And I said, I can have
19:28
Speaker 3: old and slow, or I can have another twenty year old.
19:31
Speaker 3: And putting another twenty year old down that end of
19:33
Speaker 3: the court with Erin and Amy was never going to work.
19:35
Speaker 3: It was not going to help them at all. And
19:39
Speaker 3: there was silence for a while, no answer, and then
19:41
Speaker 3: she wrote back and said how would this work? And
19:43
Speaker 3: I thought, I've got it.
19:44
Speaker 2: Up on the line.
19:48
Speaker 3: I knew she was fit because she'd gone through an
19:50
Speaker 3: extensive training program for her own benefit at forty five.
19:53
Speaker 3: But I also knew she was playing netballer and even
19:55
Speaker 3: though it wasn't at a great level, her body was
19:57
Speaker 3: moving as a netballer. So we went from there, and
20:00
Speaker 3: I thought, I'll get her here for a couple of
20:01
Speaker 3: weeks because I knew i'd still meet it even when
20:04
Speaker 3: Tilly came back, and I thought, we'll worry about the
20:06
Speaker 3: other six games when she gets here. So we just
20:09
Speaker 3: slowly worked it all out, and it was quite an
20:12
Speaker 3: operation because she's got three kids in New Zealand, and
20:14
Speaker 3: she's got a job in New Zealand and all of that.
20:16
Speaker 3: So we went week by week and worked out exactly
20:19
Speaker 3: how it could happen. And I knew if I got her,
20:21
Speaker 3: i'd get her because she's always a one right all in,
20:24
Speaker 3: and I knew she wouldn't do it unless she was
20:26
Speaker 3: capable of doing it.
20:27
Speaker 2: But this is also credit to Julie Fitzgerald, because if
20:30
Speaker 2: any other coach had asked her, she would have said no.
20:32
Speaker 3: And you know that, right We've been good friends ever
20:35
Speaker 3: since I hit New Zealand. I always say one thing.
20:37
Speaker 3: When I went to Magic, they were in turmoil and
20:40
Speaker 3: everyone was leaving, and everyone was negotiating contracts with other
20:43
Speaker 3: teams and we're scrambling to get players and I had
20:46
Speaker 3: to meet each one of them in this tiny little
20:48
Speaker 3: room at Hamilton. But Casey walked in and said, Hi,
20:51
Speaker 3: I'm Casey, and I thought, yeah, I know who you are.
20:53
Speaker 3: And she said, and I just want to tell you
20:55
Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere. I'm Magic and Magic only, and
20:57
Speaker 3: I thought, I love you.
21:00
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that's incredible.
21:01
Speaker 2: But she did.
21:02
Speaker 1: She went to the job well.
21:04
Speaker 3: But one of the nice but one of the nice
21:06
Speaker 3: things about it was we got a lot of help
21:09
Speaker 3: from step One, the underwear company, to bring Casey over
21:12
Speaker 3: and they also bought her family over from one of
21:14
Speaker 3: the games. So mum and her husband and the three
21:17
Speaker 3: kids came and it was great because they'd never seen
21:19
Speaker 3: a play. They had no idea what a big deal
21:21
Speaker 3: she was. And I went home. She had a lot
21:23
Speaker 3: more interesting what mum had done, and she started watching
21:26
Speaker 3: old games and it was really good fun.
21:28
Speaker 1: I just loved watching Aeron O'Brien and Casey together, particularly
21:33
Speaker 1: in those first couple of games where Casey has this
21:38
Speaker 1: incredible head full of knowledge and it's like, here's what
21:40
Speaker 1: we're going to do. And watching Aeron O'Brien grow in
21:43
Speaker 1: those weeks after that was it was really really exciting
21:47
Speaker 1: and it was.
21:48
Speaker 3: Good for Erin because she's naturally a gold offense she's
21:50
Speaker 3: better off in giral defense than goalkeeper. But we couldn't
21:53
Speaker 3: do that because we had no height and jody An
21:56
Speaker 3: can't play. It wasn't a goalkeeper, so we had to
21:58
Speaker 3: stick it back therein But once we were with one
22:00
Speaker 3: Lisha and put her in gold offence, you've got to
22:02
Speaker 3: see what she's really capable of.
22:04
Speaker 1: Oh it was very exciting. And then she was Giants
22:07
Speaker 1: Player of the Year for Netport South Wales Towards.
22:10
Speaker 3: I was so happy for her.
22:12
Speaker 2: So Casey is not going to come back out of
22:14
Speaker 2: retirement again.
22:15
Speaker 3: No, no, she's not coming back any In all honesty,
22:18
Speaker 3: it was a great cameo. But if you tried to
22:20
Speaker 3: bring her over a pre season and player for fourteen
22:22
Speaker 3: games and all of that, it wouldn't work. But it
22:24
Speaker 3: was a great cameo and it was great for the club.
22:26
Speaker 3: But it was great for the public, and I think
22:28
Speaker 3: it was just good for everyone. How do you feel
22:31
Speaker 3: about leaving the club, particularly in light of some of
22:34
Speaker 3: the chat around the club maybe folding or heading in
22:37
Speaker 3: a different direction or like, how does that make you feel?
22:41
Speaker 3: As someone that's been there and started it from scratch.
22:44
Speaker 3: I'm realistic to know that with me leaving that there
22:47
Speaker 3: would be changes, and that's what it should be. It
22:49
Speaker 3: was definitely time for me to go. It was time
22:51
Speaker 3: for new people to come in and see what they
22:53
Speaker 3: can do with it. I'll be very, very sad if
22:55
Speaker 3: the Giants don't continue to be the club that they
22:57
Speaker 3: were when we first came together that first year. We
23:01
Speaker 3: were so intent on building something that would last forever
23:04
Speaker 3: and have a culture that would last forever, and the
23:07
Speaker 3: integrity of the club would be something we could always
23:09
Speaker 3: be proud of. So I hope that that doesn't change.
23:11
Speaker 3: It's an uphill battle. They are struggling, but hopefully things
23:15
Speaker 3: will turn around and they can come back to where
23:18
Speaker 3: they need to be. What about Narrator as the new
23:20
Speaker 3: head coach, because you've had her as a player we
23:22
Speaker 3: played together back in the day, and also she was
23:24
Speaker 3: your assistant, and what is she going to bring to
23:26
Speaker 3: the club. Oh look, I think one. She's entirely different
23:28
Speaker 3: to me, and that's a good thing. She wants different
23:31
Speaker 3: things out of the players and that will be good
23:32
Speaker 3: because it will challenge the ones that have been there
23:34
Speaker 3: for a long time and it will bring new players in,
23:36
Speaker 3: which bringing new players in always invigorates a team. She
23:40
Speaker 3: got a great sense of humor. I think she'll go well.
23:43
Speaker 2: What about Joe Harton defecting to the new south Well Swift?
23:46
Speaker 3: Still?
23:47
Speaker 1: Well why not?
23:49
Speaker 3: Yeah?
23:50
Speaker 2: That's all r R.
23:51
Speaker 3: Yes, lately, Giants didn't make any offer. She held off
23:54
Speaker 3: for a few weeks. She's a great shooting coach. She
23:58
Speaker 3: has enormous intel on the shooting and she's going to
24:01
Speaker 3: work with two of the best shooters in the world.
24:03
Speaker 3: Grace White really impressed me in goal attacked down at
24:06
Speaker 3: the under twenty one camp. I think it's a great
24:08
Speaker 3: thing for everyone.
24:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, we agreed.
24:10
Speaker 1: Coaching, I reckon is a shit of a job. I
24:14
Speaker 1: don't know why anyone would do. It's really interesting to
24:16
Speaker 1: watch what's happened in New Zealand this year with Daniel
24:19
Speaker 1: and Tarua. There is no association to represent coaches and
24:24
Speaker 1: it's a job It seems to me that it's like,
24:26
Speaker 1: if the team is losing, it's the coach's fault. If
24:30
Speaker 1: the team is winning, well, it's probably not the coaches.
24:34
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to me to be I just think
24:37
Speaker 1: it's an incredibly difficult job in any sport. And what
24:41
Speaker 1: do you think of talk of the coaches getting together
24:45
Speaker 1: and having a coach's Association.
24:47
Speaker 3: We kind of started one informally a few years ago
24:49
Speaker 3: that I sort of headed up. But I think I
24:52
Speaker 3: always said when I retired, I would like to do that,
24:54
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I've got the intelligence and
24:56
Speaker 3: they know how to actually set up something for it
24:59
Speaker 3: to be a but I think it's really needed now.
25:02
Speaker 3: And I think the treatment of coaches, it's not just
25:04
Speaker 3: Dame Nolen. If you know, you look around, there's been
25:07
Speaker 3: a lot of coaches lately that have been treated very poorly.
25:10
Speaker 3: And I also think just as well, Liz isn't on
25:14
Speaker 3: the commentary today, but if you look at whenever anything's
25:17
Speaker 3: brought up, it's run through the players Association, it's run
25:20
Speaker 3: through the umpires, it's run through the high performance managers.
25:23
Speaker 3: No one ever talks to the coach.
25:24
Speaker 1: Its interesting and high.
25:26
Speaker 3: Performance managers aren't always people who've got great netball intel
25:30
Speaker 3: and a history of what's gone on before and what
25:33
Speaker 3: might work now. So I think coaches need a voice.
25:36
Speaker 3: Whether or not it's me you can set it up,
25:38
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think there's probably someone better place
25:40
Speaker 3: to do that so it works effectively. But I definitely
25:43
Speaker 3: think we need a coach's association.
25:45
Speaker 2: Well, we need someone to help set this up with you.
25:47
Speaker 2: How do we make that because it seems to be
25:50
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems stupid to lose out on your
25:52
Speaker 2: experience and your knowledge over so many years. I mean,
25:55
Speaker 2: you sound like the perfect person to be in that role.
25:59
Speaker 2: But we're going to make the.
26:00
Speaker 1: Happen, all right, right, Cox's on it.
26:02
Speaker 3: Send the dollars, I will.
26:04
Speaker 1: You know, at the time of recording this, which we're
26:06
Speaker 1: in November, is like the Maps still don't have a coach,
26:10
Speaker 1: and it's sort of you know, I'm looking at these
26:12
Speaker 1: jobs and going, well, I'm not that surprised that there's
26:15
Speaker 1: not thousands of people going I want this job when
26:18
Speaker 1: you're seeing these types of pressures and that disconnect between
26:22
Speaker 1: the expectation that's on coaches and the support that is
26:26
Speaker 1: given to them. So Yeah, I'm with you, Coxy.
26:29
Speaker 3: I think we need it, and I think people need
26:32
Speaker 3: to listen to coaches more.
26:33
Speaker 1: I agree. Now, I think you think you've led a
26:39
Speaker 1: life where you can deal with pressure. But things are
26:42
Speaker 1: about to get pretty intense here. Julie Cox is going
26:45
Speaker 1: to put you in the Coxy's hot box where we
26:48
Speaker 1: ask a lot of questions. Not everyone gets through without tears.
26:53
Speaker 1: I feel like you might. I feel like you've got
26:55
Speaker 1: a bit of life experience will help you.
26:57
Speaker 2: I can make her cry. It wouldn't be the first time.
27:01
Speaker 3: I just find answer it, do you.
27:04
Speaker 2: No, it's not. We make it out to sound a
27:06
Speaker 2: lot worse than it actually is.
27:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
27:08
Speaker 2: I don't think there's officially been tears yet, has there there?
27:11
Speaker 2: There's been plenty of trash talk. Yeah, anyway, all right,
27:14
Speaker 2: are you ready? This is quick fire. But if we
27:17
Speaker 2: like the sound of something, we might just dive into
27:19
Speaker 2: it a little bit more. You've got no control from
27:21
Speaker 2: here running okay, coffee order flat white, summer or winter?
27:27
Speaker 2: Oh summer, your breakfast, go to over night eights, you know,
27:33
Speaker 2: getting free and you know I do that too. Off
27:35
Speaker 2: the back of your daughter getting that started.
27:37
Speaker 3: That was you, guys, our nutrition Iss has to get
27:40
Speaker 3: credit for that.
27:41
Speaker 2: I've been doing that for years now. Thank you, funniest
27:44
Speaker 2: teammate or team member that you've had over the years.
27:48
Speaker 3: Tell Hi McDonald, maybe I.
27:51
Speaker 2: Can totally see that tomato sauce in the fridge or
27:54
Speaker 2: the cupboard fridge. Your favorite sport that's not in the
27:57
Speaker 2: ball Yeah, I think we touched on that one. Your
27:59
Speaker 2: best holiday de Ooh New Zealand. Oh, there's an old
28:04
Speaker 2: bit of goodie plane activity. What do you do on
28:06
Speaker 2: all the flying troops everywhere?
28:08
Speaker 3: I hate flying because I hate being bored, so I
28:12
Speaker 3: try and make sure that I've got enough to keep
28:15
Speaker 3: me occupied all the way. Quantus and Wi Fi has
28:17
Speaker 3: been a great help in that.
28:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what do you do though?
28:20
Speaker 3: I read? If I've got the work to do, I
28:22
Speaker 3: make sure that I do all that work on the plane.
28:24
Speaker 3: I have struggled to sleep. I try and watch movies,
28:27
Speaker 3: but I'm not a great movie watcher.
28:29
Speaker 2: I can't.
28:30
Speaker 3: I hate flying only because of the boredom.
28:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love flying. I don't like the Wi Fi
28:34
Speaker 1: and in fact, I think it's a bit problematic because
28:37
Speaker 1: you put you know, you get more emotional when you're
28:39
Speaker 1: on a plane. Member when I was the States earlier
28:41
Speaker 1: this year.
28:42
Speaker 2: Because you're also drinking.
28:43
Speaker 1: I was drinking. I was at altitude. I did some work.
28:46
Speaker 3: I felt great.
28:47
Speaker 1: Then I watched this movie and it made me cry
28:49
Speaker 1: and cry. And I'm writing these incoher and emails to
28:52
Speaker 1: Lizard Gap. They're like, are you okay? So yeah, I'm
28:55
Speaker 1: just over the Pacific. That's this shud I involved.
28:59
Speaker 2: Oh god, get away from the Wi Fi. Are you
29:02
Speaker 2: binging anything now? Well, you've got time? Are you watching
29:05
Speaker 2: more television?
29:06
Speaker 3: I watched a thing called America's Team, which is about
29:09
Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys.
29:10
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that. Is it about the footy players
29:13
Speaker 2: or the cheerleaders?
29:14
Speaker 3: You don't want to know. I watched the cheerleaders as well,
29:16
Speaker 3: but this is about the team itself. I just watched one.
29:19
Speaker 2: That was about the Florida Gators. You need to watch that.
29:23
Speaker 2: I will. Yeah, you'll love that. Who was the messiest
29:26
Speaker 2: person across all the teams that you ever coached, or
29:29
Speaker 2: just the most useless it was leaving shoes around?
29:31
Speaker 3: Or Amy Palminter, she lost everything.
29:34
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have picked that one.
29:35
Speaker 3: There you go.
29:37
Speaker 2: This is very important to lose ALUs. It's the reason
29:39
Speaker 2: that's on the list here. How do you have your
29:40
Speaker 2: steak cooked medium somomiciness? Well done, Julie, I know I
29:45
Speaker 2: think back listed. Yeah, okay, that's us done.
29:52
Speaker 1: I think you did an outstanding.
29:54
Speaker 2: There is on here. Do you have a tattoo? But
29:55
Speaker 2: I know the answer to that officially knowing manage would well.
30:00
Speaker 3: Children with no tattoos too, That's one of my achievements
30:02
Speaker 3: in life.
30:03
Speaker 2: I'm not done with them yet.
30:05
Speaker 3: I know I'm going to.
30:06
Speaker 1: Get all four kids are ink free? Are they free?
30:08
Speaker 1: Is interesting? Interesting for that generation.
30:11
Speaker 3: When John got back from Thailand in free, I thought
30:13
Speaker 3: we might have made it.
30:14
Speaker 2: Yeah. And John has put you through the ring of too,
30:17
Speaker 2: so that would have been the one to send you
30:19
Speaker 2: over the We'll.
30:20
Speaker 3: Do another podcast on raising John.
30:21
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, Joel's well, thank you for joining us. It's
30:27
Speaker 2: been so nice to sit and actually have a chat
30:29
Speaker 2: with you. And I know our Dribblers are massive fans
30:32
Speaker 2: and there's probably plenty that they would have taken out
30:34
Speaker 2: of that as well. And they send all their love too,
30:37
Speaker 2: don't they. And happy retirement, but don't stray from the game.
30:39
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like it's much of a retirement though.
30:42
Speaker 1: It's from a full.
30:43
Speaker 3: Time transition to the other side of it.
30:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. That's great. The Coaches Association.
30:50
Speaker 3: Just being able to say no, I don't want to
30:51
Speaker 3: do that. I'm not doing that.
30:52
Speaker 1: Are you getting better at saying no?
30:54
Speaker 3: Yeah?
30:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
30:55
Speaker 2: Although she didn't want to come today, she can't say
30:57
Speaker 2: no to me just yet.
31:00
Speaker 3: I didn't get to say what a great job you
31:01
Speaker 3: did hosting the netbu on yourself was dinner.
31:03
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you very much. It
31:07
Speaker 1: was good times and it was I was I was
31:10
Speaker 1: saying to Cath I could hang with the cool kids.
31:12
Speaker 1: I was hanging with you and Brian Ackle and I
31:14
Speaker 1: started this podcast because I'm a fangirl, so that was
31:17
Speaker 1: very exciting for me. Bryan speaking, sorry your peep, I am.
31:21
Speaker 1: I'm managing to stay calm, but on the inside, this
31:24
Speaker 1: is this is very excited. But thank you for joining
31:28
Speaker 1: us for the summer series. And thanks also when you've
31:32
Speaker 1: been available to us on the phone for technical questions,
31:34
Speaker 1: and now that you've got a little bit more time
31:37
Speaker 1: on your hands, we're going to abuse that privilege and
31:40
Speaker 1: be in touch more often.
31:41
Speaker 3: Quite happy with that we are.
31:43
Speaker 2: You don't get paid for that by the way.
31:47
Speaker 1: All right, well, this has been the summer series with
31:49
Speaker 1: Julie Fitzgerald. I'm Carolyn swind And in a centia, Lizzella
31:55
Speaker 1: says bye to all right.
31:57
Speaker 2: Out of the week, babe,