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Mac & Bone Hour 4: John Talty & Brentson Buckner · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ. You want somebody that knows defensive football,
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  Speaker 1: Brinson Buckner in the house at 925 to answer all
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  Speaker 1: our questions about what the defense did on Sunday, what
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  Speaker 1: he noticed, what went wrong in his eyes, former Panther
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  Speaker 1: defensive lineman. and also the Avero questions, the scheme questions.
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  Speaker 1: We will hit Buck with those coming up at 925.
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  Speaker 1: Get you somebody that played the game that wasn't on Madden.
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 3: That's our goal bone for this hour of the show.
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  Speaker 3: And stick around after John Talty. We have some breaking
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  Speaker 3: news involving the— charlotte 49er football program that you want
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  Speaker 3: to hear after john talty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you gotta hear it but right now john talty
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  Speaker 1: cbs national college football reporter uh it's lane kiffin week
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  Speaker 1: and uh his book is out there and what better
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  Speaker 1: time to talk to him than this week with lane
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  Speaker 1: going back to old miss the book is lane being
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  Speaker 1: lane it is the story of all things lane as
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  Speaker 1: a coach and a person and john talty joins us
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that book here on the mac and
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  Speaker 1: bone show john thanks for coming on man how you.
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  Speaker 4: Doing Doing great.
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  Speaker 5: Appreciate you guys having me on.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciate you, man.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm guessing this book is going to fly off
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  Speaker 1: the shelves this week with so much focus on Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 4: Let's start with one of the things that made headlines.
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  Speaker 1: One of the excerpts from your book that was talked
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  Speaker 1: about a lot a couple of weeks ago. I can't
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  Speaker 1: hold back. I have to go to the Joey Freshwater era.
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  Speaker 1: I have to go to some of the time in
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  Speaker 1: Alabama where you write about Lane Kiffin's edict to a
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  Speaker 1: staffer to make sure you keep him away from from
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  Speaker 1: the sorority girls and college girls and all that. What,
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  Speaker 1: what was, how, how crazy, how, how crazy and wild
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  Speaker 1: was lane away from the game back in, in his
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  Speaker 1: younger days like that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty wild. I guess it's kind of an understatement,
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  Speaker 5: but what's, what's funny about it is like, I think
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  Speaker 5: some of us heard that stuff and I covered Alabama
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  Speaker 5: during that stretch. And so like you'd be getting text
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  Speaker 5: at one 30 in the morning about Wayne showing up
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  Speaker 5: at bars and be like, that's, unique. And so I
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  Speaker 5: had heard stories over the years, but I probably didn't
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  Speaker 5: know the full extent of it until, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: started working on this book. And so I think it's
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  Speaker 5: a combination of factors of like why it fascinates us.
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  Speaker 5: Like one, Joey Freshwater is just an objectively hilarious name
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  Speaker 5: to tell people. It's a classic Lane Kiffin thing, right?
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  Speaker 5: Like of all the names that you could choose, Joey
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  Speaker 5: Freshwater is hilarious. So I give him credit for that. But,
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  Speaker 5: you know, two, it's the fact that In Alabama, he
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  Speaker 5: at that time was one of the most famous people.
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  Speaker 5: So him thinking that this would in any way be
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  Speaker 5: something he could pull off speaks to sometimes the naivety
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  Speaker 5: of Lane Kiffin, where he gets himself in trouble and
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  Speaker 5: doesn't always realize the chaos he's creating. He could have
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  Speaker 5: done that in L.A., some of the other places he's been.
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  Speaker 5: In Tuscaloosa, Alabama, when you're Nick Saban's offensive coordinator, You're
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  Speaker 5: the number three, probably the number two or number three
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  Speaker 5: most famous person in the state. And so the Joey
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  Speaker 5: Freshwater thing got leaked pretty fast during that era. And
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  Speaker 5: then it's just like, just, I think the dichotomy between
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  Speaker 5: Dick Saban is like very, you know, solid. you know,
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  Speaker 5: someone who you don't expect to be probably staying up
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  Speaker 5: past 9. PM and, you know, waking up at 4.
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  Speaker 2: AM.
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  Speaker 5: And then you've got his office, the coordinator who you
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  Speaker 5: see saving screaming at the sidelines, every game, who's evidently
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  Speaker 5: staying out until two, 3. AM out of the town,
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  Speaker 5: chasing women and drinking and all these different things. And
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  Speaker 5: so it's just an incredible contrast between those two guys.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was important to delve into some of
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  Speaker 5: that stuff. Not to be tawdry or gossipy, but I
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  Speaker 5: think it helps you understand why there was so much
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  Speaker 5: friction between Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin. It's not just
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  Speaker 5: the fact that they annoyed each other in the building.
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  Speaker 5: It was that Nick Saban also had to hear all
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  Speaker 5: these stories from around town about what lane was allegedly
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  Speaker 5: doing and that just i think amplified all those you
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  Speaker 5: know hurt feelings and things like that but.
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  Speaker 1: Now bone they're the and john now they're like they
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  Speaker 1: have this friendship this mentorship you know it's it's just
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it what i'm telling you the dude's interesting
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  Speaker 1: as hell man no doubt.
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  Speaker 3: John what is something you learned in doing this book
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  Speaker 3: about lane that surprised you that you didn't know before.
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  Speaker 5: I think for me, I didn't really know anything about
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  Speaker 5: probably free USC assistant Lane Kiffin. I mean, I obviously
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  Speaker 5: knew he's Monty Kiffin's son and Monty Kiffin, the legendary
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  Speaker 5: defensive coordinator of the Tampa Bucks and all that. But
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  Speaker 5: I didn't really know like what was, you know, 10
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  Speaker 5: year old Lane Kiffin, like what was high school quarterback
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  Speaker 5: Lane Kiffin, like what was college quarterback I think what,
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  Speaker 5: what your listeners will really enjoy is like, you see
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  Speaker 5: the same guy even back then, right? Like the stakes
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  Speaker 5: are lower. Um, and for instance, there was an excerpt
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  Speaker 5: USA today, the other day, uh, about Lane Kiffin insisting
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  Speaker 5: on wearing, um, the like streamer towels, you know, like
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  Speaker 5: Deon Sanders used to have, um, that he, and he
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  Speaker 5: like insisted on wearing them as a high school safety.
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  Speaker 5: And his coach was like, you can't wear them. He's like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm wearing them. It's like, okay, then you're going to
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  Speaker 5: run the Hills after the game. If you wear them,
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  Speaker 5: he's like, okay. And he just kept doing it. And like,
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  Speaker 5: that's just like, push the envelope. Right. And so I
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  Speaker 5: love some of those stories just because I really didn't
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  Speaker 5: know that much about him. And I think when you
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  Speaker 5: learn kind of his interesting family dynamic of like being
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  Speaker 5: the son of a coach, he's not around a lot.
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  Speaker 5: His mom has a personality very similar to his, which
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know. And you can imagine the battles those
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  Speaker 5: two could have had, like two quick witted people who like,
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  Speaker 5: like to like kind of dig knives in each other.
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  Speaker 5: So that was super interesting to me. And I think
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  Speaker 5: it just helps inform and entertain like who this guy is. And,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you can understand why 51 real lane, some
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  Speaker 5: of the things he does now, you know, Kind of
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  Speaker 5: the foundation of that was when he's 16 in Minnesota
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  Speaker 5: and doing some stuff he probably shouldn't have been.
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  Speaker 1: John Talti, CBS Sports, great national college football writer, has
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  Speaker 1: a book that just is about one of the most
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  Speaker 1: interesting characters in the world of sports. It's Lane Being
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  Speaker 1: Lane about Lane Kiffin. It's available now. John, it's LSU
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  Speaker 1: Ole Miss week, right? It's going to be a ridiculous
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  Speaker 1: scene in Oxford. I know you write about the tense–
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  Speaker 1: you know, bitter parting of ways and lane trying to, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I want to take this player. I want to take
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  Speaker 1: this coach with me. I mean, how nasty was it
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes? I know you paint that picture in
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  Speaker 1: the book.
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  Speaker 5: It got very ugly behind the scenes. And I think
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  Speaker 5: there are a couple of things there why it did.
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  Speaker 5: And I think the number one thing, and again, I'll
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  Speaker 5: go back to what I was saying earlier about understanding
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  Speaker 5: young Lane to understand current Lane. There's a great line
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  Speaker 5: in the book where Monty Kiffin, Lane's dad, tells Lane's
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  Speaker 5: high school coach, I just don't think I've said no
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  Speaker 5: enough to Lane. And that was one of his fears.
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  Speaker 5: And so flash forward 30 years, Ole Miss never said
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  Speaker 5: no to lane. They gave him everything he wanted. You
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  Speaker 5: need this, you need that. They gave everything to him.
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  Speaker 5: And so Wayne expected when he wanted to coach the
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  Speaker 5: team in the playoff and still go to LSU, that
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  Speaker 5: they were going to say yes. And when they said, no,
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  Speaker 5: it was, he freaked out. I mean, there's no other
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  Speaker 5: way to put it. He flipped out. He went on
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  Speaker 5: the offensive. He made threats. He said he was going
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  Speaker 5: to destroy the place. He was not going to let
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  Speaker 5: any coaches coach in the playoff game. He was going
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  Speaker 5: to take all their top players. I mean, he went
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  Speaker 5: vindictive almost immediately. And so one of the great details
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  Speaker 5: that kind of made me laugh is like, I talked
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  Speaker 5: to people around the situation. It's like, Wayne was going
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  Speaker 5: to go into this meeting. It's like, it's going to
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  Speaker 5: be a 10 minute meeting. He was going to say, Hey,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to LSU and I'd like to coach in
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  Speaker 5: the playoff. And if they said no, he was instructed
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  Speaker 5: walk out of the room. And that's, that's the end. Well,
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  Speaker 5: it ends up being like a two and a half
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  Speaker 5: hour meeting because he gets told no. And he's like, no,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to fight. I'm going to get it. I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to stay in here and I'm going to win
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  Speaker 5: over this room. And it just goes off the rails.
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  Speaker 5: those feelings are still there. I mean, there's hurt feelings
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  Speaker 5: on both sides and what's kind of funny. And I
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  Speaker 5: think what still confounds Ole miss people is that lane
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  Speaker 5: is the one who broke up the relationship and yet
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  Speaker 5: still seems to be the more aggrieved party. And I
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  Speaker 5: think there's still not really understanding that it's like you
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  Speaker 5: broke up a bus. Why are you so mad at us?
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  Speaker 5: But he'll just never get over of not being allowed
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  Speaker 5: to coach in that playoff. And I can tell you, like,
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  Speaker 5: when he was especially watching the Georgia Ole Miss game,
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  Speaker 5: he was blowing people up. Everybody associated with Ole Miss
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  Speaker 5: football blowing up their phones during the game, saying some
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  Speaker 5: pretty nasty things about how mad he was.
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  Speaker 2: Damn.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh. So that, God, this is going to
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  Speaker 4: be juicy this week.
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  Speaker 3: John, the timing of the book here, I was recently
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  Speaker 3: reading a book a true crime book. In the beginning
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  Speaker 3: of the book, the author points out that Netflix did
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  Speaker 3: a documentary on his subject. After he was working on
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  Speaker 3: the book, Netflix then does a documentary. So his book
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  Speaker 3: comes out and it ends up going to be a
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  Speaker 3: bestseller because there was so much talk about that subject
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  Speaker 3: that his.
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  Speaker 4: Book blew up.
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  Speaker 3: Your timing here, you have to be thinking, how fortunate
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  Speaker 3: are you that you're doing this book? And then throughout
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  Speaker 3: the entire summer, Lane Kiffin continues to be one of
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  Speaker 3: the biggest.
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  Speaker 4: Stories in sports. So your timing here, it can't be better,
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  Speaker 4: can it? He sold books for you.
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  Speaker 5: We also, I don't know that he's happy about selling
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  Speaker 5: books for me. I hope that he did. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I hope some of your listeners there, you know, we'll
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  Speaker 5: go out today, pick up a copy, you know, wherever
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  Speaker 5: they buy books or Amazon or whatever. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you guys one, one thing, like I happen,
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  Speaker 5: if you guys remember, there was a vanity fair profile
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  Speaker 5: that Lane Kiffin that came out, I think it was
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  Speaker 5: in may in which he brought up some racial stuff
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  Speaker 5: and like, it did not go over well, as you
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  Speaker 5: can imagine. Well, guess what? I happened to be in
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  Speaker 5: Oxford that week. I was there when that story hit.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. Sometimes you just have to get lucky.
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  Speaker 5: I happen to be there. And some of those people
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  Speaker 5: who are like, ah, you know, I kind of like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to get into that stuff again. I
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  Speaker 5: kind of want to let it be. They're like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I'll tell you the stories about Lane Kiffin now. And
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  Speaker 5: so like, I ended up getting a lot of great
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  Speaker 5: material because people were just so fired up about that story.
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  Speaker 5: And the fact that I felt like Lane Kiffin was
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  Speaker 5: still kind of jabbing them.
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  Speaker 4: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: So again, he led to you getting information. He helped
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  Speaker 1: your book, even though he wasn't trying to do so.
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  Speaker 1: I have to ask you about one moment involving Lane
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  Speaker 1: Kiffin that I have always wondered, what's the real story there?
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  Speaker 1: And I know you write about it in the book.
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  Speaker 1: This goes all the way back to when Al Davis
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  Speaker 1: was firing him. And he gets out a projector at
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  Speaker 1: this very weird, all-time weird NFL press conference. And he's
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  Speaker 1: just telling you about Lane Kiffin being a liar and
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  Speaker 1: he's insulting him, but you don't really know what Lane
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  Speaker 1: Kiffin did.
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  Speaker 4: You have details on that. What's the story there?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I rewatched that press conference for this book, and
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  Speaker 5: it is absolutely surreal. It is by far still the
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  Speaker 5: wildest press conference I think I've ever watched. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there are a lot of things that were
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  Speaker 5: happening there. He felt like he was leaking a lot
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  Speaker 5: of information to people, trying to control the media, that
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  Speaker 5: he was lying to him. I mean, really, from... day one,
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  Speaker 5: there was friction there, which I, you know, detail in
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  Speaker 5: the book, but the thing that I didn't know, and
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  Speaker 5: I was trying to understand why was this so personal? Again,
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  Speaker 5: it felt like an absolute personal attack on lane. And
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  Speaker 5: what I was told by, you know, one of Al
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  Speaker 5: Davis's right-hand man, you know, on the record at the
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  Speaker 5: same attached to and all that was that Al Davis
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  Speaker 5: was very aware of Lane Kiffin's off field behavior, which
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  Speaker 5: included you know, chasing women at a time when he
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  Speaker 5: was married with young kids. And as this person explained
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  Speaker 5: to me, it was like, Al Davis, I think was
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  Speaker 5: married to his wife, like 60 years or something like that.
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  Speaker 5: And it was like, this was just absolutely disgusting behavior
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  Speaker 5: to Al Davis. Like, and that was just kind of
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  Speaker 5: that final thing. It's like, this is just a bad guy.
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  Speaker 5: This guy lies about things.
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  Speaker 2: He cheats.
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  Speaker 5: He does all these things. And so I always wanted
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  Speaker 5: to know the answer to that. And finally someone explained
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  Speaker 5: it to me and it did kind of click into
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  Speaker 5: place of like, okay, yeah, I could see that why
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  Speaker 5: that would be that final thing that if you already
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  Speaker 5: really just like somebody, you would think, okay, this guy
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  Speaker 5: just doesn't have morals as a football coach or maybe
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  Speaker 5: as a person as well, and I'm going to go
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  Speaker 5: scorched earth on him, which he did. And you guys,
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  Speaker 5: your listeners can find that full press conference on YouTube.
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  Speaker 5: I fully recommend it. It's a wild time.
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  Speaker 4: Off the rails. Off the rails. That's amazing, man. I
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  Speaker 4: would have thought it was pure football. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: All right, so.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many interesting things about Lane Kiffin, things we
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  Speaker 1: don't know, things John found out about him personally that
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  Speaker 1: he shares in the book. Lane being Lane, check it out.
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  Speaker 1: I assume, John, it's simple where you get it, anywhere
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  Speaker 1: you buy books.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing specific we need to tell them? Yeah, anywhere.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million. Go
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  Speaker 5: into your local bookstore if you've got a favorite one
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  Speaker 5: and ask them if they have it or if they
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  Speaker 5: can get it in for you. It's available everywhere today.
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  Speaker 5: So whatever is easiest for your listeners, go ahead and
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  Speaker 5: do it. It's a wild ride. I think they'll enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds awesome, man. Thanks, John. We appreciate you. Good
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  Speaker 4: luck with the book, man.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks so much. Appreciate it. All right.
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  Speaker 4: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: That is John Talti, CBS college football writer, has the
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  Speaker 1: Lane being Lane book.
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  Speaker 4: And listen, he's annoying. I can't stand him. John Talti
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  Speaker 4: is a nice guy.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: I was about to say. It's not nice. Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll be damned if he's not a fascinating subject
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  Speaker 1: for a book. A documentary should be in the works, too,
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  Speaker 1: at some point. He's freaking fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: And then Talti, like we said, man, he was working
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  Speaker 3: on this book. And then Lane, the story– throughout the
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  Speaker 3: summer keeps growing. So it's again, like you said, sometimes
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  Speaker 3: it's about timing. And I guess maybe, you know, that
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  Speaker 3: lane's going to always be a story, but, and then,
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  Speaker 3: then they can put it out.
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  Speaker 4: The week that he's going back to Ole Miss, the
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  Speaker 4: timing of that could be better either.
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  Speaker 1: That's definitely not a coincidence that it goes on sale
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  Speaker 1: this week. Do need to mention that Ole Miss, who
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  Speaker 1: will be hosting Lane Kiffin in such a kind fashion
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday, they played Charlotte last week, 41-9. I actually
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  Speaker 1: thought Bone was a pretty encouraging performance, all things considered,
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  Speaker 1: by Charlotte going into the App State game. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the kids that really flashed to me was Chance Williams,
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  Speaker 1: their running back. Especially in that third quarter when they
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  Speaker 1: started moving the heck out of that football, back-to-back drives, Boney.
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  Speaker 1: He has, I guess, left the program? I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: no details, right, in regards to what?
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  Speaker 3: Per Hunter Bailey, and I think he's got info on
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  Speaker 3: his sub stack there, but per Hunter Bailey, Charlotte starting
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  Speaker 3: running back Chance Williams has been removed from from the
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  Speaker 3: roster he had 74 yards against Ole Miss he's got
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  Speaker 3: 116 on the season so this isn't just a uh
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  Speaker 3: a backup this is a good player that is now
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  Speaker 3: gone as you said during a break that program just
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  Speaker 3: can't catch a break I hate it man.
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  Speaker 1: Like that kid looked good he's the type of kid
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  Speaker 1: you got to be like let me see him run
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  Speaker 1: against that let's see you know and uh for that
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  Speaker 1: to happen that sucks man Damn.
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  Speaker 3: When we come back, Brenton Buckner joins us, former Panther,
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  Speaker 3: longtime NFL player and coach. He'll try to explain to
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  Speaker 3: us from his perspective what in the world happened to
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  Speaker 3: the defense on Sunday. Mack Bone with Buck, next on
• 15:56
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  Speaker 1: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ. What's going on?
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  Speaker 5: Hi, Mac.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Mac.
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  Speaker 1: James Franklin. Hell of a coach, but a little strange.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: A little strange at times. Mac and Bone with you.
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• 16:35
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• 16:57
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• 17:01
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• 17:01
  Speaker 4: He gets on it.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: The text line theory has been that Fitty's lost focus
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: with the podcast and posting.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Since he's fallen in love.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: He's got to send those little sweetie poo texts with
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the emojis.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: That's what he's doing right now. Finny, are you a
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: sweetie poo texter? Are you an emoji? A sweet little
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: emoji texter? A little heart? I actually am. Oh, my God.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The soft side of Fitty. This woman has brought out
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the soft side of Fitty Bone.
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  Speaker 4: See my phone over here. It's like a Hallmark movie.
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  Speaker 4: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 5: Really?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Do you speak emoji or no? Yeah, a
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: little bit. A little bit. I do the poo one.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I do the poo emoji. Okay, can we get the book?
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: The Panthers pooed on Sunday. You don't speak poo, Boney?
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: No, I don't. Unbelievable.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I don't want to speak poo. All right, here he is,
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  Speaker 1: our next guest. This is emergency appearance. We like to
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: let our guests breathe, Boney, and not harass them one
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  Speaker 1: week after they came on the show.
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  Speaker 4: This was a Code Red situation. 100%.
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  Speaker 1: There's a Panthers defensive emergency. And a man that you
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: know as a Panther fan that was a member of
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: great defenses with the Carolina Panthers, including the 0-3 Super
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Bowl team, is here to try to help us address
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: the 59-point defensive emergency.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: He is the great. Brenton Buckner.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Make sure you're speaking to podcasts, the Buck Naked Truth.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Make sure you search for his podcast and give it
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a listen. Buck, what's going on, man? How you doing?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: How you guys doing today?
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  Speaker 4: Buck, we need your help. We need your help, man.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: We actually may need you to. Put your Jersey back
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  Speaker 4: on again.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We need to break. We got to break it to you.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Dan Morgan wanted us to call you and say your
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: service is new. So what, what was, when you watch
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the game on Sunday and saw them put up 59
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: points and as you're watching the game, what are the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: one or two or three things that really stuck out
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  Speaker 1: to you? Like, man, that was bad. Like what, what,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: what was the worst parts of that other than the
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: 59 points?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, let me put this out here. We
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: know it was a bad performance, so I'm not making
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: excuses for any of that. We all saw it was
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: a bad performance. The thing that I saw that you
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: really don't understand is communication. You know, you look at
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: this defense. Yes, we put together early in the preseason,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: in the offseason rather, but then you add a brand
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: new middle linebacker after preseason games were over with, after
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: two-a-days were over with. And you got a lot of
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: young guys playing. And this group really did not play
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  Speaker 2: together in the preseason. People don't understand communications between defenses
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  Speaker 2: just as important as it is for offense or getting
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  Speaker 2: a feel for one another. You know, a linebacker knowing that, hey,
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  Speaker 2: my partner might not steal this to me. He might
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: box it back, let me slow down. Or a defensive back,
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  Speaker 2: he might not get the full communication. out, but his
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: partner should know, all right, we're going to change the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: coverage and we're going to rock this way. And what
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I saw was a team that hadn't gelled together defensively. Now,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I cannot make excuses. I did see a lot of
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: missed tackles and a lot of missed fits. And I'm
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: a coach that always believes tackling is a want to.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: You can't go do drills. Well, you can go do them,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: but you can't teach a person how to stick his
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: face in the fan. He got to want to get
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: that person on the ground by any means necessary. And
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: then you couple that with an offense ran by Ben
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Johnson is one of the most complicated offenses in the NFL.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: It was a recipe for disaster.
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  Speaker 6: Hmm.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it certainly was.
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  Speaker 3: But again, a lot of times we as guys that
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: didn't play the game as media or fans, we use
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: the term halftime adjustments a lot or adjustments, you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: within the game. But specifically at halftime, is that something
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: that really goes on or is that overblown? And there's
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: not as much adjustments as halftime as we like to
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: believe there is.
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  Speaker 2: It's really overblown, you know, because halftime, once they get
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: something to drink, get something to snack on, and you
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: get them all together out of the bathroom, then it's like,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: all right, this is what they hit us with. This
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: is what we got to be prepared for. Hey, run
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: what we run. Just run a little bit better. Look
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: out for this. No, you're not going in there putting
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: in a whole new defense. You're not going in there
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  Speaker 2: retwerking everything. You're just telling the guys, look, this is
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: what's going on. The coaches in the booth are telling you, hey,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: we didn't fit this run right. Or when they get
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: in this formation– Look for this pass play. So it
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: gets overblown when they say halftime adjustment. Halftime is another
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: way to catch your breath and just tell the guys
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  Speaker 2: what we saw on film, they are not lying to us.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Believe what you saw. But at the end of the day,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: You got to go out there and your Jimmy's and
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Joe's got to be better than theirs and got to
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: whoop theirs. And that didn't happen on Sunday.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Was the run game like, let's, we'll talk about dealing
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams and those issues in a second, but
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the run game, right? Each back goes for over a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: hundred yards. Menungai had the big 61 yarder. Was that,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: did you think that was more like, Like, of them
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: moving people and guys not being able to get off blocks?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Did you think there were missed tackles? What was the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: run issue you saw?
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was them moving people. You know, especially
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: on that 61-yard run, I believe, they moved people, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the guys that were free to make the tackle, the
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: guys that was getting moved got in their way. But
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I'm still not going to make an excuse. You still
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: got to find a way to get him on the ground. Now,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: we used to always say defend every blade of grass.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: If you got to trip him at the one-inch line,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: get him on the ground so we can line up
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: and we can play again. And what began to happen
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: was you get punched in the mouth over and over again,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and they have a success with the run. I thought
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: guys started to panic. And they started looking to make
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: tackles rather than play the defense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Well, let me knock you back. Let me get my gap.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Let me hold my gap. Let me trust my guy.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: It's going to be what he's supposed to be. Let's
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: converge and make the tackle. You start seeing guys start
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: to panic and start to try to make plays by themselves,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and it breaks down the fabric of the defense.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Buck, how much tougher is it now? Overall football, I
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: know offense too, but to be a defensive player in
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: week one, how tough is it now with the limited
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: hitting in camp, the lack of preseason games? How tough
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: is it now, especially when your first game, as you said,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: is against the Ben Johnson offense to really get after
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: it like you normally would as the season goes along?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Watching games this weekend, I made a statement that this
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: is the first time in a long time that I
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: saw offenses were ahead of defenses during the first regular
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: season game. I've never seen it before like this. But
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: it's really hard because you take the physicality out of football.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: You can't thud up. Well, they'll say thud up in practice,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: but as soon as that running back gets thudded up
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and he falls on the ground, head coach is having
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: a fit. I got fired by Bruce Aarons about four
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: times during training camp because we were thudding. And the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: running back would go to the ground and he would
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: have a fit. So you take that tackling part out
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: of it, that thud, that wrap up out of it,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and then you don't play in the preseason games. You
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: don't tackle during preseason. But then you're going to go
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: tell these guys, now let's go 100 miles per hour.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: You know, tasseling is something you got to get your
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: body course to. And it's not so much as the hitting,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: it's the willingness to fall on the ground. You know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: that hurts just as much as hitting somebody. And when
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: you're not used to doing it for two months, where
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: for the whole offseason you've been tagging off or you've
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: just been wrapping up, letting go, well, you do what
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: you normally practice. And so now this year, more than ever,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I see it with a whole bunch of defenses. Just
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: don't think Carolina struck. We thought Houston– we thought Houston–
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Texas defense is going to.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Be the 85 Bears.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos defense got ran through. So you're seeing
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: it all over the league.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Buck, let's cut to the chase here because I know
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: fans are thinking, Mac, you've got to ask him about
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Averro and his scheme. I'm sure you hear it, Buck.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Averro is a hot-button name. There are Panther fans that
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: don't like a lot of his stuff schematically, right? Soft
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: zones or, hey, we're giving cushions with the corners and
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: it's third and four or.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Something like that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And then they see a game like this and I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: think they just, oh, it's got to be Averro, man.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Why is he still here? What do you think about
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Averro's defensive scheme? And do you have issues with it?
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Do you like it?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: What would you say to the fans that really blame
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Averro for these defensive issues?
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, schemes, you can have great schemes and have
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a horrible day from your players and you look bad.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not the scheme. And this is a
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: coach and me speaking. Everybody wants to say fire the coach,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: fire the coach. Let me tell you, when coaches are
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: sitting up there, defensive coaches are sitting there watching film,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: when everybody's in the bed and they're hugging their wife
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: and they're eating potato chips and ice cream, every defense
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that's drawn up is meant to stop every play on paper. Now,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: When you get into the game and those X's and
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: O's start to move, there's so many variables that go
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: into it. Miscommunication, misfit, mistackle, somebody loafing, somebody over-pursuing. So Rivera,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: you know, Rivera, he's not a horrible defensive coordinator. They
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: had a bad day. He's not the first defensive coordinator
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: that's going to have a bad day. You weren't saying
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: that last year when it was– When they was winning games,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: they was balling defensively toward the end of the year,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: and it was the same guy. That's why I don't
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: like the point of the finger. Yeah, it was bad.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: The coaches would tell you, hey, man, we got to
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: get better. The players would tell you, we got to
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: get better. So it's a group effort in this. So
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan of his. You know, if he playing
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: off and they're stopping people, oh, my God, it was great.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: He didn't let them get behind him. Now they lose
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the game, so everything you do is under the microscope.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Bruce Aarons used to say this. The same thing they
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: hire you and love you for, the same thing they're
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: going to boo you and fire you for one day.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, it makes a lot of sense.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Talk to us about the idea. This is Avero's mentor,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: certainly one of them, is Vic Fangio. Oh, by the way,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the Vic Fangio scheme with Philly– Two years ago, won
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and was the No.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: 1 ranked defense in the NFL. I just want to
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: point that out.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: But, like, the Vic Fangio scheme is built on right buck,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of the umbrella coverage, let's keep everything in front. Now, obviously,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: they didn't do that the other day, and it was ugly. But, like,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: what do you– do you like– because some people will say,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't like– Some people say,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I don't like the 3-4. Others will say, I just
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: think it's too conservative. Like, what do you think as
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a defensive guy about that scheme, that mindset?
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Man, you just said, Big Tango just won the Super
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Bowl with it. But look at the players he had.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Then he went to Miami and they ran him out
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: of town because they didn't like it. You know, and
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: there's a misnomer out here about the 3-4. The 3-4
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: is the most successful defense in the history of the NFL.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Let's not get that twisted now. Baltimore Ravens, 3-4. New
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: England ran a 3-4. Denver Broncos, both of their Super Bowls,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: a 3-4. You know what the Steelers have done with
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: a 3-4. You know, it's a great defense, but all
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: defenses struggle. You know, Tampa Bay won a Super Bowl
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: with Bruce Aarons running the 3-4 defense. A lot of times,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: it's not the scheme. It's not the coaches. Sometimes the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: players got to take... Got to take ownership of, was
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I in my right place? You heard something that Carolina
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Panthers defensive player said, I put bad film on tape.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I can't do that. Now the 3-4 can't make up
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: for pass rush integrity where you get a free rush
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: in Phillips, but the other defensive end goes inside and
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: now the quarterback runs away from a sure sack or
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a pressure. So what that has to do with 3-4
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: or 4-3. And let me give you a little secret.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: The 3-4 and the 4-3 is not about scheme. It's
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: just about what you label your fourth rusher. If you
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: label him an outside linebacker, it's a 3-4. If you
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: say he's a defensive end, it's a 4-3. So take
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: that misnomer out your head that 3-4 and 4-3 are
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: totally different. It's just what you decide to call your
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: four guys as rushers.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Interesting stuff, man. Buck, you are preaching, man. I feel
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: like I'm in the trenches right now with Buck.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: I love it, man. I love it. And let's see, Buck.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Let's see.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: They can argue with us, Buck, because I played the
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: game for one season and wanted to quit in the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: middle of it, all right?
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: They can argue with me, you know, but I don't
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: have to argue with Buck.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I won a championship playing college football on a video
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: game three years ago.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's big. Yeah, I'm the top. degree. You're a guru.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Two years ago.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Buck Naked Truth is the podcast. Buck, are you talking
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: all ball in that? Are you talking silliness in there?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: What's going on in that podcast?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: We're the line where entertainment and sports cross. That's right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: NC State fans, listen in, because we have Chris Washburn
• 30:02
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• 30:06
  Speaker 2: from the highs of the highs to the lows of
• 30:08
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• 30:12
  Speaker 2: has been blurred. There's a lot of crossover. We're right there.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: We talk ball.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: We talk entertainment. We talk life. All in all, we're
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: telling our butt-naked truth.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I love it, man.
• 30:23
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• 30:26
  Speaker 3: A thousand there, I noticed. We're trying to get you
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: to that number today, Buck.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting like, you know, the thing is so crazy.
• 30:33
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• 30:35
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• 30:37
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• 30:39
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• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Buck, this guy Naylor from Lumberton says, I'm a Gamecock fan,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and even I can acknowledge that Buck is preaching today, man.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Even the Gamecock fans are loving it. Hey, we had
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: a real quick question, Buck, from Colin. He wanted to know,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: would you have preferred to wear white jerseys in the
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: heat the other day?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Now, that was the one thing I was shocked when
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I saw them run out there with the black helmet
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and black pants and the light blue jerseys. And that
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: turd said 126 degrees. I'm just so I'm so old
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: school Carolina. I just knew they come down to all
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: white because that's what we've always done this time of year. I, I,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I would, I'm pretty sure the players would have preferred
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: to be, to have been in that white, but just
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: for me, you know, being an old school Panther and,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and what I'm used to seeing, I was shocked that
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: they went in all white. Oh, there you go.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Buck is team Colin on that one. He was on
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the same page. All right, Buck, keep up the good
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: work on a podcast. Thanks for the education, man. Appreciate you.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: So one time, There you go. For the one time.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: There you go. Did I do that right?
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Mac, it's one time for the one time.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: He said one time, so I said for the one time. Yeah,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: but he didn't say it that time. He didn't want
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: me to finish it? I thought he wanted me to
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: finish it. You said one time for the one time.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: He just went one time.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Also, Buck is cool. You are not. Yeah, this is true.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: You don't have the Mac Naked podcast. And that's a
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: good thing for everybody. Don't need me nicking. When we
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: come back, the wrap-up, Sports Radio 92.7.
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, you saw me at one.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: If I had it all to do over, I'd tear
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: that place down from the ceiling to the floor. We
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: don't have a quarterback. We don't have nobody that can
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: do nothing. And our coach stood on the sideline and
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: acted like he was watching.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Us A movie.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: No emotion. No emotion. I'm off the bandwagon. They will
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: not get another dime from me.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Chuck, I'm 67. You know this.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: That is amazing. Oh, my gosh. That is amazing.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: That is a woman named Lisa calling the Chuck and
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Bo show.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: Not Mac and Bo.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: The morning radio show on ESPN Arkansas. She's furious. Arkansas
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: really does appear to really suck this year. But does that–
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: how many of y'all thought that was Granny Pat talking?
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: That is unbelievable how much that sounds like Granny.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: It was just the sound of the voice. It was
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: the words. It was the cadence.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Everything.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: It was the taste.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Is there a Granny Pat factory where every city has
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: their own Granny Pat?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Every southern city has their own Granny Pat calling sports radio.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: People are pointing out Granny's like, you know, she doesn't
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: care if I say this. Granny's like 87, 88, 80.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: She said Granny sounds.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: That woman sounded much older than 67 years old. I know.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: It's unbelievable. It sounds the same.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Fitty's working on a theory over there where Granny is
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: just calling all these sports radio stations all day while
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: drinking her moonshine, just doing various versions of herself, creating
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: new characters.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Remember, we got in that feud with Boston Radio. And
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: we sent Granny there to sort of bother them. Oh, yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: to go off on them. And then they end up
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: loving Granny, and she loved them, and now she's still
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: friends with that radio show.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, calls them, sends them stuff. It's like, Granny, you're
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: cheating on us. We sent her to infiltrate the system,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and she became their friend. And now I need to know, Granny,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: is that you? Are you cheating us down there in Arkansas?
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: People are like people. Trophy husband said, I'm not convinced
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: that's not Granny Pat. B-Dog says, I thought that was
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Granny talking about Canales.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Can we hear just the very beginning again to tell
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: you to show how much that sounds like just the
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: very beginning of it, just the initial part of the call.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: Okay, you saw me at one.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: If I had it all to do over, I'd tear
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: that place down.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God, that's Granny. How's that not Granny Pat?
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And the same level of anger, too. Oh, God, Granny,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you got like a voice twin down there in Arkansas.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, man. All right, let's read some more of these texts.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: That's crazy. That's just crazy. Because as a granny said,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I'm going to tear this place down. It sounds like.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: That's the thing is it sounds like things she would
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: say while ripping our local sports, folks. We do need
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: to shout out one of our texters, Pitmaster Matt. He's
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: with Midwood Smokehouse. You know they got the goods. And
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: he brought in some beef rib. Bone and I during
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the break were just tearing... We're just tearing the meat
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: off the bone.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Just.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: It was like carnivores. It was savage, man.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I said.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: should we get a fork or something? And no one answered.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: And then no one wanted to, because you know what happened?
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I was afraid if I go down the hallway and
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: get a fork, I come back, the Mac man's going
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: to jump on that, that big old, a big old slab.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: You can't leave.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: You didn't want to leave. You didn't want to leave
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: fitting me here. So what happened was you and I
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: were just manhandling that midwood smokehouse meat.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: And there's nothing mid about that one. Oh, dear lord.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Dear lordy. The thoughts of Phitty are those of Phitty alone.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: I got a piece of the brisket he laid on
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: top of the beef slab.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Tremendous.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: God dang. They do it right, man. But that's cool. Matt,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: you the man.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Thanks.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: See what he does is. Well, you had so much.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Going on here while we were jockeying for position on
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: the slab there. The 10-wind piece of paper fell off
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: the wall. God, that really feels symbolic.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Does it not? Someone get that back up there immediately.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: What Matt does is he does a live hit with
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: with Janet Angel on usually Jorge, but he's I don't
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: know if he was on today, but he does a
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: live hit there where you can see whatever the barbecue,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: whatever the meat that he has. And then we get
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: the scraps, whatever's left over. We're like the dogs. He
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: just throws it into the studio now. That's what happened.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: So anyway, Matt from Midwood, got to give him some love.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: There's people that think that Granny Pat is not really
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: an old lady and she's just a guy that calls
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: around the country.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Playing a character?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Someone says that is AI Granny Pat.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, is Granny Pat just an AI character? I thought
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: she was real. I don't know.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: This dude says, I need a Granny Pat Arkansas Lisa
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: sports conversation. That's the round table I need to hear. Oh,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: maybe we could do some work. Maybe we could try
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: to take Lisa.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: If we put Lisa on with Weatherman Mark, would he
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: know that's not Granny Tye?
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Definitely not. Definitely not Granny.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: I can't do an impression like Willie does. Willie, you
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: got a good one, too. He was not happy with
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: me yesterday.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets really mad at you. He was not
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: happy with my impression of him yesterday.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I decided today that I'm not going to sit here
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: and make fun of the man.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you better behave. I saw that text he sent you.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: He gets livid.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: With you, dude.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: I got scolded yesterday. It's weird because.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: He doesn't get mad-fitty at the rest of us. Like,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: when we do the jokes and stuff... But he rages
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: on you.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: But then he came back around later talking about how
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: much he loves Vashti. So we came back. Oh, that
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: brought Vashti.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Vashti. His love of Vashti brought you back. Brought him back.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Someone wants to know on the text line, is Flounder
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: jealous of Fitty's new girlfriend?
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: He doesn't seem to be. Okay, good, good. We still
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: had our Saturdays together.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Called on the phone last night for an hour and
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: a half.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Yesterday, I heard Fitty talking to Flounder about, Fitty, your
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: birthday's coming up, right?
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, next Thursday.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: Fitty was asking Flounder where he's going to take him
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: for his birthday, and I had to step in and say,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: you got a woman now.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: You don't have to go. Flounder should be off the
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: hook now for you tonight. That is true.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: By the way, what kind of guy is that? Where
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: are you going to take me for my birthday? The
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: guy says to his male friend.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: I took Flounder out for his birthday. We've... We've always
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: done that. The meal has progressed. It changes now, man.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I think you're growing up, though. I think you're growing up.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: You're finding a lady in your life. And I feel like,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: what's Flound going to do?
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Y'all going to get married? Flound going to live in
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: a separate bedroom? Probably. Charles in charge? Flound's in charge.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Did you see this text? Remember the story, Bone, about
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the Florida man under a bed? Like he has the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: habit of sleeping under beds in random houses? Somebody said,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: found flounder under my hotel bed. Sincerely, a woman of Instagram.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: The ping pong, by the way, the ping pong police
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: were out today, Bo. Texter says, multiple texters bringing this up.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Did I hear when Jalen Coker was doing a presser
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: yesterday in the.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Background, the ping pong was being played?
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: How do you go out there and play ping pong
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: a day after giving up 59 points? That table should
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: have been thrown out in the damn trash. It was the,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: it was the Jansen open. It was out there.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: It was the, it was the early rounds of the
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Jansen open.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Somebody says that was 100% JJ on the pot on
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the ping pong table. Did y'all notice JJ talking to
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the rep after that one penalty on special teams? The
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Mitchell Evans, which they never showed a replay of by
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Where's my replay Fox?
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: There's not another long snapper in the league that talks
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: more to the refs than JJ, right?
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Like, every time there's a penalty, you know who's there?
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: 44.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: There's not another player in the league that talks so much.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: They probably went out for dinner afterwards to talk rules.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: There's not another person in the league that talks that much.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: By the way, we didn't say it yesterday. Mitchell Evans, two.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Not one, but two special teams penalties. I like Mitchapalooza,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: but we got to clean that up. A Clemson fan
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: earlier said, Bone, that no way should we have ranked
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: him in our top five in the Carolinas.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: We didn't.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: And he would have Western Carolina and Lenore Rhine over
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: his Clemson tie.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Clemson fans are big mad right now. We end you
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: with this.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: BetOnline has put out their new NFC odds now based
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: off week one.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: The Panthers are now the third worst odds.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: In the NFC.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Moving on down, man. The reverse Jeffersons. We're with Atlanta
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: down there. That's all right, baby. That's all right. At
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: least we got Atlanta coming up this week. The reverse Jeffersons.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: We're moving on down. All right.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: We got to get out of here. We appreciate y'all
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: hanging with us. Hopefully it somehow helps. Your Panther fan
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: sanity in a week like this. Good work out of
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the fit dog, the bone man. Thanks to Matt again
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: for the awesome beef rib.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: We'll talk to you all tomorrow. More fitting. It's the
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: young guns coming up next on Charlotte Sports Today. Stay tuned.