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Football at Four: Discussion on Eagles WR A.J. Brown and State of the Offense · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The great Jeff Moscher from the Inside the Birds podcast
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  Speaker 1: Football at four right here on the Sports Best Jeff Moscher, Hello.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on. I'm not sure it was a
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  Speaker 2: win win for Grimes. I mean, he doesn't lose, but
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  Speaker 2: I mean, wow, it's.
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  Speaker 1: A win win because his ask was preposterous.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, but he was trying to exert leverage
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  Speaker 2: that he didn't have, which you get, but they probably
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  Speaker 2: could have figured out a one year balloon payment type
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  Speaker 2: deal so at least give him a.
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  Speaker 3: Little bit more money than the qualifying offer.
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  Speaker 1: But he was asking for twenty some million a year.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're a twenty game scorer. Come on, dude. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know what was last year when they were playing
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  Speaker 1: against somebody and was the guy that used to play
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  Speaker 1: for the Sixers. Yeah, and he's like, hey, next year,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna be standing in that corner over there watching
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  Speaker 1: him bead so shut your mouth. When they were playing
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  Speaker 1: the guy was playing for the Cavs last year. A man,
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe I can't think of his name. I
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  Speaker 1: could think of Kate Scott saying his name when he
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  Speaker 1: hit the three all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I can't think of it either, But I know what
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  Speaker 3: you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, yeah, let's start with Brown and where
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  Speaker 1: this is today? Has this blown He's gonna talk in
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  Speaker 1: the next couple of minutes here, I would imagine practice
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  Speaker 1: is about over. Does he flash his smile say this
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  Speaker 1: is all blown out of proportion, or does he comment
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  Speaker 1: further on this today that this thing is not over with.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he's ever really said that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe once he said it's gets blown out of proportion,
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, he's usually what he usually does is
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  Speaker 2: tell the people that, yes, he's frustrated, and this is
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  Speaker 2: how he copes, you know, with the reading thing on
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  Speaker 2: the sideline, he explained that, you know, that was his
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  Speaker 2: way of being able to cope and find some inner peace.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, his tweet is, you know, very religious,
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  Speaker 2: and it did from the Bible and it did insinuate
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  Speaker 2: not wanting to be there. So he'll have to explain that.
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  Speaker 2: But something tells me he's gonna explain his way around it. Sure, everybody,
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  Speaker 2: it's fine and move on and then you know, five
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  Speaker 2: six weeks from now, when he has no targets to
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  Speaker 2: then we'll go through it all over again.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean he did have like things like this
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  Speaker 1: in the past and they kind of went away.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, then they always do, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying we're never gonna get to
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  Speaker 2: a day where it doesn't go away. I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: we go three four more weeks and he gets you know,
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  Speaker 2: like seven targets, it's gonna be a problem. But I
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  Speaker 2: would say that that's also a problem with the Eagles offense.
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  Speaker 1: Bang bang George Niang. By the way, it was George.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Josh, give it to me, Thanks Josh. It
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  Speaker 1: was George Nyang, who's the one that told him, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: shut your mouth, dude. Next year you're gonna be standing
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  Speaker 1: in that corner over there, waiting for a beat to
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  Speaker 1: throw you a bread crumb.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, Well, actually that might help him if he gets
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  Speaker 2: five or six of the a game and nails and
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  Speaker 2: then he's gonna look pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, like, if you show that you excel in
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  Speaker 1: that role, then we'll pay you. You can't ask for
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  Speaker 1: it before you prove and you can do it again.
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  Speaker 1: You can't give me twenty five games of it. And
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  Speaker 1: then as for twenty five million, it's ridiculous anyway, I digress.
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  Speaker 2: You always over ask and then you try to settle
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  Speaker 2: for less, and in his case, he settled for the least.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what you get.
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  Speaker 1: So Brown, I want to ask you this question. Brown
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  Speaker 1: had nine targets last week. He had ten the week before,
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  Speaker 1: he had eight the week before that. If you got eight,
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  Speaker 1: ten to nine targets every single week, should you be complaining.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that he's complaining about targets. We'll have
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  Speaker 2: to hear him talk. I mean, I think he I
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  Speaker 2: think with him, it's not always been about targets. It's
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  Speaker 2: been about production and the ability to produce. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: he has the Times expressed frustration with the quote unquote
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  Speaker 2: the pass offense.
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  Speaker 3: Right, that was what he said last year. What could better?
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  Speaker 2: He said, the pass offense. It made a big headline.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't say getting me the ball more. He was
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  Speaker 2: just saying in general, the pass offense didn't look good
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  Speaker 2: and he wasn't able to thrive within it.
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  Speaker 3: And we're seeing that again.
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  Speaker 1: We played a bite earlier from Chris Long on the
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  Speaker 1: green Light Podcast. I want you to listen to what
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  Speaker 1: he said here because most I think this ultimately might
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  Speaker 1: be and we've talked a little bit about this, but
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  Speaker 1: Chris bringing this to light, this might be the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: bigger problem long term.
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  Speaker 3: Take a listen.
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  Speaker 4: I know the offensive lines beat up. I mean Lane
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  Speaker 4: left the game. Landon Dickerson wasn't healthy when he started
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  Speaker 4: this season. When you watch him, I know he's hurting
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  Speaker 4: and I think he's an absolute warrior, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: Stein's not Beckton. And I would go as far as saying,
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  Speaker 4: if this team's gonna win with this offensive line, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm not calling the offensive line out because I think
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  Speaker 4: the tackles are fantastic. I think they've got a great
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  Speaker 4: guard who's really been banged up right now. If they
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  Speaker 4: would with this group, it would be the most unique
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  Speaker 4: run that they've had, because this isn't the twenty three
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  Speaker 4: go line. It's not the twenty four to OH line,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't even think it's I know it's not
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  Speaker 4: the seventeen oh line. So this would be if they
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  Speaker 4: can make this run, pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 1: So he mapped out a lot of things about this
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  Speaker 1: offensive line, and if these are the problems, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to have a problem getting this offense going the way
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  Speaker 1: that they want to, the way that they have been successful.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would agree with that assessment if the case
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  Speaker 2: is that over the course of the next fourteen or
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  Speaker 2: so weeks that there's not an improvement on the offensive line. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: yesterday on the Inside of the Birds Platform, we came
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  Speaker 2: out with inside the Tape with Greg Cosel where he
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  Speaker 2: did just really thorough discussion on the offensive line, and
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  Speaker 2: I had a lot of all twenty two footage and
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  Speaker 2: I'll have a big also a story on Philly Voice
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  Speaker 2: today showing lots of breakdowns in the run game, especially
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  Speaker 2: on the offensive line. And I think it's pretty obvious
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  Speaker 2: that the multiple surgery that Landon Dickerson has had since
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  Speaker 2: the end of the Super Bowl, the back surgery that
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  Speaker 2: Cam Jurgens had at the end of the Super Bowl, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: after the Super Bowl, Lane Johnson being out of the
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  Speaker 2: line up the last.
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  Speaker 3: Two games, a new right guard who I think is fine.
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  Speaker 2: He's doing fine, but he's as massive as Mackai Beckton,
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  Speaker 2: who sometimes would just create space by being massive. I
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  Speaker 2: think all that has factored in and so if you're
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  Speaker 2: of the school of thought that Dickerson and Jurgens just
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  Speaker 2: need more time as they more reps and more weeks
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  Speaker 2: and distance between their surgeries and they'll they'll strengthen up
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  Speaker 2: and get better, then that's that's an optimistic viewpoint there
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  Speaker 2: into being what it is. I don't think talent is that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think like all of a sudden became bad.
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  Speaker 2: I do worry about Dickerson with the surgeries because he's
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  Speaker 2: had multiple before this year. He looks kind of bigger,
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  Speaker 2: more weight, so I don't know what's going.
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  Speaker 3: On with his body. So there's a little concern there.
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  Speaker 2: But as far as Lane Johnson or Jordan Mylotta or
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  Speaker 2: you know, Steen not being who they are or Jurgens
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  Speaker 2: being a lot different than last year, I did notice
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  Speaker 2: in the Bucks game there was an angle block that
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  Speaker 2: Steam didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Make on a linebacker that he usually makes.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't want to project that to be like
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  Speaker 2: because it happened once, it's been happened all the year,
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  Speaker 2: But there have been a couple of Jurgens blocks that
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  Speaker 2: didn't hold up this year. That wasn't the first one
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  Speaker 2: we saw. It was just very glaring. So I yes, So,
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  Speaker 2: Chris Long's right, You're right. If this thing doesn't get better,
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  Speaker 2: it's not gonna get better for Saquon.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how much of what they do offensively is predicated
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  Speaker 1: on the offensive line. In other words, the identity that
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  Speaker 1: they had a year ago with Saquon Barkley being a
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  Speaker 1: two thousand yard rusher, is that Saquon or is it?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: We got this great offensive line and Saquon is the
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  Speaker 1: beneficiary of that line. Now he's a great talent, but
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  Speaker 1: you could put Miles Sanders back there and get twelve
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  Speaker 1: hundred yards or fifteen hundred yard. They didn't use Sanders
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  Speaker 1: as much as they used Barkley. But having that line
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  Speaker 1: and if it's not the same, you're seeing that Saquon
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  Speaker 1: Barkley just can't be a two thousand yard rusher because
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  Speaker 1: it says Barkley twenty six on his back.
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  Speaker 2: I will answer that question with I think is a
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  Speaker 2: very clear and glaring statistic that shows you the situation.
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  Speaker 2: Last year, Saquon Barkley was first in the NFL in
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  Speaker 2: both yards before contact total and average three point eight
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  Speaker 2: yards before contact. Not three point eight yards. That's a
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  Speaker 2: bad like. You know, if you're a backup running back.
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  Speaker 2: You're probab probably happy if you average three point eight yards.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he was getting before contact. As we all know,
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  Speaker 2: we averaged over almost close to six yards per carry. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this year, Saquon Barkley is averaging one point seven yards
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  Speaker 2: before contact.
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  Speaker 3: That ranks thirty eighth in the league.
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  Speaker 2: He has he ranks eighteenth in total yards before contact.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that just went and answered your question
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  Speaker 2: of how important the Eagles offensive line is to what
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  Speaker 2: they do in the running game, because Saquon Barkley is
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  Speaker 2: used to having pretty enormous holes to run through, and
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  Speaker 2: then what made him special compared to anybody else is
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  Speaker 2: that once he got through that hole, you are catching him.
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  Speaker 2: And then every once in a while he'll take a
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  Speaker 2: smaller hole and turn it into something even bigger.
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  Speaker 3: But right now the holes are not.
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  Speaker 2: There, and he's getting hit and contacted and slowed down
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  Speaker 2: a lot before contact.
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  Speaker 3: Here's here's a glaring number for you, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: Against the Buccaneers, six of his nineteen carries went for
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  Speaker 2: negative yards just thirty three percent, about thirty three percent
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  Speaker 2: of his carries, and then six more went for three
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  Speaker 2: yards or less. So that's in my math there that
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  Speaker 2: tells me he didn't gain three yards on almost sixty
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  Speaker 2: three percent of his carries.
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  Speaker 1: How then, is that affected or could it affect the
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  Speaker 1: passing game? Because we said ten targets for AJ last
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  Speaker 1: week against the Rams. This week against Tampa he got nine.
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  Speaker 1: Why are those targets not fulfilling one week but they
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  Speaker 1: are the week before.
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  Speaker 2: Well, obviously it's harder to pass when you're behind the
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  Speaker 2: sticks and you're not used to wearing a you're behind
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  Speaker 2: the sticks. Be a good running game wears down a defense.
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  Speaker 2: Right how the Eagles thrive off no huddle. It is
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  Speaker 2: one of their biggest weapons in Jalen Hurts is one
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  Speaker 2: of the best quarterbacks I've seen in a long time
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  Speaker 2: about knowing when.
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  Speaker 1: To We got Mosher frozen up here. We'll try to
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  Speaker 1: get him back in action on the sports Bash football
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  Speaker 1: at four and one thing I want to throw into
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  Speaker 1: the mix here, All right, let's add to what he's saying.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagle out there's most all right, he is back
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  Speaker 1: in and there you go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just saying.
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  Speaker 2: No huddle is a big part of what they do,
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  Speaker 2: and it's hard to execute your offense in no huddle
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  Speaker 2: when you're not ahead of the sticks. You're not wearing
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  Speaker 2: down a defense, you're not marching down the field methodically.
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  Speaker 3: They're not.
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  Speaker 1: And well, because there's been a lot of speculations, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of browns, routes and stuff are very similar, like
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  Speaker 1: the heeps running the same routes, and you're like, well,
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  Speaker 1: one week you ran those routes and there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of meat on the bone, and then if the
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  Speaker 1: next week you ran similar routes and nothing good happened.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he had nine targets only two catches. I
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  Speaker 1: say this earlier. Goddard I think had two targets and
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  Speaker 1: two catches. Somebody else had four targets, four catches. Somebody
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  Speaker 1: else had two targets, two catches. He had nine targets
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  Speaker 1: and two catches. There's a huge disparity there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get sort of, you know, a wishy washing
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  Speaker 2: on the complaints about routes because I think the Eagles
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  Speaker 2: offense we talked about this has basically been the same
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  Speaker 2: construct over the last three years, and when it's working,
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  Speaker 2: it's great. When it's not, Abo says it's predictable, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, it looks sure look fine. In the second
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  Speaker 2: half of the game against the Rams in the first
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  Speaker 2: half against the right So in.
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  Speaker 1: Other words, it is Aj like, are you half asking
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  Speaker 1: the route? Are you not running it like to the
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  Speaker 1: best of your ability? Are you like, I don't like
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  Speaker 1: this route, I'm not gonna run it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, well, I'll tell you this.
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  Speaker 2: This is something to monitor over the course of the season,
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  Speaker 2: because four games is too small a sample size. But
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  Speaker 2: I did you know, we do inside the data with
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  Speaker 2: Sam Finkle. He as our analytics expert and he's really
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  Speaker 2: good at getting all the data and it'll be out
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  Speaker 2: on Friday. But we specifically looked at AJ Brown separate
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  Speaker 2: yards per separation per route run over the last three years,
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  Speaker 2: and there is a decline in separation now he's getting older,
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  Speaker 2: He's had some knee issues in the past, he had
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  Speaker 2: hamstring issue all throughout camp and even last year. And
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  Speaker 2: I do wonder if some of this is also on
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  Speaker 2: AJ Brown, because when's the last time we've seen this
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  Speaker 2: year AJ Brown catch the deep ball with the late
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  Speaker 2: hands or the body control, which he has a lead at.
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  Speaker 2: But I remember when he got to the Eagles that
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  Speaker 2: year twenty twenty three, especially when they had all those
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  Speaker 2: big explosive plays and touchdowns right, he was he could
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  Speaker 2: beat corners over the top, and I don't see a
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  Speaker 2: whole lot of him beating.
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  Speaker 3: Guys by a yard or two over the top.
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  Speaker 2: When he does catch the ball that is deep, it's
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  Speaker 2: usually because he's just out muscling a defensive back. So
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  Speaker 2: I do wonder if there's something to that. Now, the
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  Speaker 2: ones that Jaylen threw him in the second half the
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  Speaker 2: other day down the sideline were not catchable.
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  Speaker 3: It's not his fault, but.
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  Speaker 2: I do just wonder in general, and when you look
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  Speaker 2: at the bigger picture, if he's losing a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of that separation ability that he used to have and
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  Speaker 2: what that means.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, listen, if that's the case, how bugg
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  Speaker 1: of a factor is that in the offense of aj
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  Speaker 1: Brown not being able to get separation and utilizing that
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  Speaker 1: weapon in the offense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And just to be crystal clear, analytics sometimes don't
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  Speaker 2: tell the full story.
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  Speaker 3: Your separation.
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  Speaker 2: Per route can be impacted by the route you're running
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  Speaker 2: as well. You know, it's hard to beat a defender
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  Speaker 2: if you're just running a quick comeback right as opposed.
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  Speaker 3: To a deep post or a go route.
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  Speaker 2: So we did note that two weeks ago when they
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  Speaker 2: had that really bad game against the Rams in the
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  Speaker 2: first half, or was it two weeks before that, the
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  Speaker 2: Kent's City game, sorry Kent City game.
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  Speaker 3: It seemed like every single one of aj.
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  Speaker 2: Routes was was was an intermediate route and in a
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  Speaker 2: quick inbreaker. He had nothing deep. So was that the
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  Speaker 2: design of the offense that day was a lack of
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  Speaker 2: faith of him getting open against this guy?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: You'd have to be in their building and understand the
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  Speaker 2: game plan to know. So I don't want to just
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  Speaker 2: say because the number is down that it means he's
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  Speaker 2: losing his.
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  Speaker 3: Speed or athleticism.
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  Speaker 2: It could be usage, but it is a number I
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  Speaker 2: think that tells a decent story. And that's why I
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  Speaker 2: say I want to I want to follow this over
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  Speaker 2: the course of the season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah all right, well I'm definitely looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to say this. You know, they got
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  Speaker 1: the ball to John Metchi twice the other day. Not
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  Speaker 1: a lot, but hey, yeah, just two little quick, little
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  Speaker 1: quick pitch and catches. These are the throws that you're like,
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  Speaker 1: wellhy can't I get my best receiver the ball in
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  Speaker 1: those spots because no corner wants to have to come
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  Speaker 1: up and try to tackle AJ Brown. They're more inclined
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  Speaker 1: to try to make a tackle on John Metchi no offense,
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  Speaker 1: who's a little bit smaller than AJ. So if I
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  Speaker 1: can get Aj to catch that little dumper out of
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  Speaker 1: the you know, flare out of the backfield or flat
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  Speaker 1: like that, good luck with a corner trying to one
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  Speaker 1: on one tackle.
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  Speaker 3: Him as possible.
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  Speaker 2: You know, in both of those catches from match, I
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  Speaker 2: believe they lined him up like kind of like an
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  Speaker 2: offset fullback spot and then just throw it to him
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  Speaker 2: where you can kind of confuse the defense because they're
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  Speaker 2: not really paying attention to the number.
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  Speaker 3: They don't recognize it. I feel like if you put Aj.
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  Speaker 1: There, he was getting tight end one play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's yelling it out and pointing to him. I
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  Speaker 2: mean the Dolphins did that all the time with Tyreek Hill.
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  Speaker 2: But you could just put the ball on Tyreek Hill's hands.
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  Speaker 2: He's so explosive it wouldn't matter. I'm not sure that
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: that's the right way to manufacture touches for him.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: Not the same.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm just saying like he's just getting I never
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: round the coverage.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they certainly played a lot of two by
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: two formations this year, I haven't seen as many of
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: those three by one content.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so certainly.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: We're on the except for on the tush push goal line.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: They flooded the the ones and that's it.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Goddard said that that play had been in their playbook
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: for four years and they finally used it. So how
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: much else is just needs to be dusted off now
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: to say, all right, the stuff we're doing. See people
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: seem to be catching on to let's dust some of
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: these off.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be funny if they averaged like three
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: hundred passing yards per game from here on out and said, oh,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: we can have done this for the last three years.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this then, you know, Jalen said,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: is that what y'all wanted to see? And a lot
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: of yeah, that's what I wanted to see. Do you
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: think that this offense could succeed if they flipped the
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: script and said we're now going to rely on aj
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: DeVante Jalen, it's your offense.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: That's a tough question only because we've only seen that
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: in spurts, and I think that when they've tried to
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: become a more pass heavy offense, it hasn't always worked consistently,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: and I don't think that they are a diversified enough
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: offense from a route concept. They have some talent, but
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: just from what they do offensively to be like that,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of their their marriage of pass
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: and run is very important. A lot of what they
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: do in the run sets up how they throw the ball,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: because you can throw the ball deep when you have
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: those one on ones that are created by people funneling
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of guys at the.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: Line of scrimmage to stop your run game.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: So if they came out and just tried to throw
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the ball at a sixty five to seventy percent clip,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know that they would see the same kind
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: of openings.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is it's all speculation. It's apathetical.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: They've got great players, like you said, so they should
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: be able to move the ball anyway. But that's why
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like they do it every once in a while,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: but not consistently from week to week.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like last year if the Carolina and you
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: might have been having this conversation, Hey, Jeff, what if
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Detroit or Cincinnati or the Rams had Aj Brown and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Devonte Smith.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's the old like what if on
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: the other side, but like the way this team played,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: the way Jalen Hurts plays quarterback.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: He wants to throw most of his passes outside the numbers.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: He's okay taking a sack instead of a risky throw,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and because he holds onto the ball for the most part,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: they play like that because they've always had a dynasm,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: have a run game to compliment it. If you start
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: throwing the ball around a lot, and unless.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts throws differently and becomes a different style of attacker,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: taking more risks, you know, throwing in tight windows, middle
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: of the field, things like that, then we don't really
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: know what the.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Offense would look like.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: And I don't think it would function right. And I'm
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: not gonna sit here and say it can't be done, Okay.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I know that that people are gonna twist my words
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: and say you're saying Gentlely can't throw like everybody else.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that they don't do it, and that
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the tape and the evidence shows you how he plays
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the game, and so they've designed an offense to compliment that.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: So you never know what somebody is capable of doing.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Or not doing until they get the chance to do it,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: and we haven't really seen that opportunity outside of maybe
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: some small spurts.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they did it in a Super Bowl in
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two that they didn't win the game, but
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: he played pretty well.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Again, that's a that's a small that's a sample size
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: of the whole season you go through, and they.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Ran the ball a lot that year. You know, that
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: was the offense, all.
• 19:02
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