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Ep. 257: Deer Gear and Hunting Stories with First Lite · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two
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  Speaker 1: and fifty seven, and this week on the show, my
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  Speaker 1: buddy Further and I are joined by the First Light
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  Speaker 1: crew up at my family deer Camp to swap hunting stories,
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  Speaker 1: laugh a lot, talk gear, and gush over our favorite
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  Speaker 1: big game species. All right, so, welcome to the wire
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  Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx. For the second
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  Speaker 1: time in three episodes or four episodes, we're back doing
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  Speaker 1: a deer camp podcast for um for good reason too.
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  Speaker 1: I got I don't know if you knew this, Josh,
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  Speaker 1: but I got a lot of emails and messages and
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  Speaker 1: stuff saying that some people thought that was one of
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  Speaker 1: their favorite episodes, the one we did with Dad. That
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  Speaker 1: was cool. You had a good couple of guests on
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  Speaker 1: that episode. I think that was probably what did it
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  Speaker 1: that might be hit. Speaking of which, I thought a
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  Speaker 1: good way to start today would be for each one
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  Speaker 1: of our real guests here today we got Jordan's, Gregg
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  Speaker 1: and Ford. I would like each of you to share
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  Speaker 1: your favorite Further story of the week, because I've told
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  Speaker 1: you it has a whole bunch of stories about Further. Um,
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  Speaker 1: what stands out to you for Forward? Is your favorite
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  Speaker 1: story about Further that I shared? Can you come back
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  Speaker 1: to me? I gotta think through all of the ones, ever,
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  Speaker 1: Greg oh Man, I was hoping I was going to
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  Speaker 1: get to go last. Um. I think my favorite Further
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  Speaker 1: story to this point, Man, I hate to be cliche,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's the birthday cake story. Birthday. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know that was a front runner for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people here, but they're so special about the birthday cakes.
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  Speaker 1: And I told the Birthday cake store in the podcast, Josh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you haven't. Don't. You can probably skip it now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if we did. I'll give the real
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  Speaker 1: cliff notes version. But we're maybe thirteen or fourteen. And
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  Speaker 1: it was my birthday and for my birthday party had
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of like my buddies all spent the night
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  Speaker 1: and we set up a tent in the backyard of
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  Speaker 1: like our suburban neighborhood and we're all going to camp
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  Speaker 1: in the tent in the backyard, real real civil, low
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  Speaker 1: key stuff, and uh, we're all heading out to the
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  Speaker 1: tent in the evening, and uh, I happen to bramp
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  Speaker 1: the fact. Oh you know, uh, there's actually coyotes. We've
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  Speaker 1: been hearing coyotes out here. And I got this one
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  Speaker 1: friend who back in that day, you know, he he
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  Speaker 1: liked to partake in the food truck. You know, he
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  Speaker 1: was just a little bit. My buddies called him Squash
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  Speaker 1: back in the day before he was Further. He was
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  Speaker 1: called Squash, had good nickname throughout the years, sub Squash.
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  Speaker 1: Squash heard me say something about kyotes and he turn
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  Speaker 1: it looked at me and his eyes were huge, like
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  Speaker 1: like eight balls, and he says to me, I better
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  Speaker 1: bring this birthday kick back inside. He would raise him
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  Speaker 1: back inside and I think your phone makes that funky
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  Speaker 1: noise and you bring close to your mike by the way. Yeah, Um,
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  Speaker 1: he's trying to interfere with the story. He is trying
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  Speaker 1: to try and get the Further story stopped, but the
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  Speaker 1: Further train is moving. Um, so that's the birthday cake story.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually gave the speech at Further's wedding. I
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  Speaker 1: was the best man in his wedding and I gave
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  Speaker 1: the speech and in that speech, I managed to bring
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  Speaker 1: up the birthday cake story, and so brought up kind
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  Speaker 1: of midway through the speech. And then my line to
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  Speaker 1: end the speech was, and Josh, make sure you don't
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  Speaker 1: take any birthday cake in your honeymoon suite tonight. You
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  Speaker 1: fit in a couple of good ones in that. I
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  Speaker 1: told the birthday cake story. I also told the archery store,
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  Speaker 1: which maybe someone Yeah, that was my favorite one, especially
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  Speaker 1: the delivery off you know when you referred to a
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  Speaker 1: friend that would not be named, came all the way around.
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  Speaker 1: That was good. It wasn't a giveaway that I was
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  Speaker 1: sitting here just like trying to hide behind my hat
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  Speaker 1: or something. Not immediately to me, but not until he
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  Speaker 1: said Marks was saying that it was sixty to seventy
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  Speaker 1: yards off the mark, your whole head just kind of
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  Speaker 1: sank a little bit as big time embellishment on the
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  Speaker 1: Marks part. No, I don't do that with my stories.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what this this squashed guy, he
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  Speaker 1: didn't miss the target by sixties seventy yards. He hit
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  Speaker 1: the driveway, it ricocheted over the road and hit a vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: Regional Director, Ladies and gentlemen, right here as you can
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  Speaker 1: see this we've been doing all weekend, just sitting around
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  Speaker 1: or not week I guess during the week, but sitting
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  Speaker 1: around and Mark telling embarrassing stories about me and pretty
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  Speaker 1: much par for the course these days. I guess you
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  Speaker 1: think you make kind of been asking for are making
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  Speaker 1: him the best man your wedding knowing you as I
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  Speaker 1: told you guys ago, one of these days of the
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  Speaker 1: day is gonna come crashing down from Mark. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: get my revenge. I want to give. I want to
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  Speaker 1: give you further some big props because I did like
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  Speaker 1: call you Don't a few weeks ago or a month
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  Speaker 1: ago whatever and said, hey, we've got a group of
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  Speaker 1: guys from First Like coming to deer Camp for a
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  Speaker 1: few days. Um, would you have any interest in coming
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  Speaker 1: along and just kind of helping out. It could be
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  Speaker 1: nice to have someone else who kind of knows the ropes,
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  Speaker 1: who can kind of help run the camp so that
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  Speaker 1: I can be working and doing different things like that.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, you were so kind to accept that. And
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  Speaker 1: you run a top shelf camp. It's been a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun. I've had a good time. Yeah, you run
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  Speaker 1: an absolute top shelf camp. So so yeah, we're here
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  Speaker 1: up at the cabin further here running the run of
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  Speaker 1: the ship. Over here to my left, I got Jordan's
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  Speaker 1: how Jordan, can you tell us? Uh? Your your ten
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  Speaker 1: second cliff note introduction. Who you are, what you're doing here? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jordan Riley. I am one of the owners of
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  Speaker 1: Captured Creative up here shooting stills and footage in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of days. Yes. Now, continuing around the clock clockwise,
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  Speaker 1: we go to forward, sitting on the leather couch. Sitting
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  Speaker 1: on the leather couch, Ford van Fausten, content manager, First Light.
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  Speaker 1: Next up, we've got Greg. Yeah, I'm Greg Farrell on
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  Speaker 1: the product operations manager at First Light. Here. Uh, working
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  Speaker 1: with you guys, trying out some gear and talking product development.
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  Speaker 1: Getting some time the tree stand has been great. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I I feel like when I pitched coming up to
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  Speaker 1: this camp. It was months ago. I think when we
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  Speaker 1: first had these conversations and I had mentioned, well, I
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  Speaker 1: got two different options. We go down south and we
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  Speaker 1: could hunt and we probably see good number deer, but
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be quite as interesting and would experience. We
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  Speaker 1: have to, you know, stay in a hotel or something
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  Speaker 1: um or maybe the guest bedroom of my house, but
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  Speaker 1: we have a tea old baby. That wouldn't be much fun. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Or we could go up to my northern Michigan deer camp.
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  Speaker 1: One room cabin, no electricity, no water, you know, woodburn
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  Speaker 1: and stove of all that, but not as many deer.
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  Speaker 1: Now that you have lived this hunt, the trip is
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  Speaker 1: coming to a conclusion. Um, So, well, you guys chose
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  Speaker 1: Option B. Now that you've lived that, are you happy
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  Speaker 1: with that choice? Or do you wish that we'd gone
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  Speaker 1: with option now? I'll jump in here first. I guess, um,
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  Speaker 1: we're actually just having this conversation at dinner. I think
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  Speaker 1: my exact words where I would spend a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days at a place like this and see less dear
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  Speaker 1: over living out of a hotel and seeing more dear.
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  Speaker 1: This is the quintessential in my eyes, deer camp experience.
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  Speaker 1: It's a it's a really cool place, a lot of history. Um,
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  Speaker 1: kind of the old school Midwestern deer camp scenario. It's
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  Speaker 1: hard to beat. I love it. It's great. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: just didn't not that. I'm I'm new to Midwestern deer
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  Speaker 1: camps on the grand scheme of things. But doesn't seem much.
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  Speaker 1: You could get much more classic than looking at twenty
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  Speaker 1: odd sets of horns here on the wall above the
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  Speaker 1: wood stove and single room cabin. Yeah, you guys posted
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  Speaker 1: a picture of the Wall of fame here on the
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  Speaker 1: first Light Instagram account and someone comment and said that
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  Speaker 1: it looks like a row of drumsticks. They weren't real
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  Speaker 1: impressed with some of the some of the antlers on
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  Speaker 1: the wall here. Yeah, different different places, different deer, different times,
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  Speaker 1: different times. We got a bunch here on the wall
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  Speaker 1: from the sixties. I see some seventy threes, I see
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  Speaker 1: a sixty five. Um stretches the whole a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of time here. Um, Jordan, you've been you're a Minnesota guy,
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  Speaker 1: did you ever get do you have a deer camp
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  Speaker 1: type situation kind of like this anywhere that you partaket
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  Speaker 1: in back in the day. Yeah. Yeah, My my grandparents
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  Speaker 1: live in northern Minnesota, kind of northeastern Minnesota, so growing up,
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  Speaker 1: ever since I was really little, would go up there.
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  Speaker 1: I've actually had more of a trailer set up, but
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  Speaker 1: it was still, you know, just kind of same deal,
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  Speaker 1: no electricity, no running water. Tell stories about the big
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  Speaker 1: bucks that you've seen in the past and probably not
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  Speaker 1: see too terribly much during the days, and you actually
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  Speaker 1: do go hunting. But it's those stories that I kind
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  Speaker 1: of resonate for the good old days. Yeah, do you
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  Speaker 1: think I always wonder like if the good old days
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  Speaker 1: really were a thing or if it's just every generation
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  Speaker 1: thinks that the good old days were good, Like thirty
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  Speaker 1: years from now, are we're gonna be looking back at
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  Speaker 1: this and go, those are the good old days? Um?
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  Speaker 1: And it's just selective memory. I think there's enough history
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  Speaker 1: on the wall that would show they did have some
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  Speaker 1: good old days. Yes, I guess that's true. In this instance,
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  Speaker 1: they've got some some proof to back it up. Man,
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  Speaker 1: our neighbor. We're chatting with our neighbor the other day.
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  Speaker 1: He stopped in too, have a couple of beverages with
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  Speaker 1: us and chit chat, and he told us that he
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  Speaker 1: saw six bucks out on the neighboring property here, two
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  Speaker 1: of which were as big as our biggest buck on
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  Speaker 1: the wall here. Two more Supposedly we're bigger. I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to believe that. I'm gonna choose to believe that, especially
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  Speaker 1: when it's your neighbors saying that. I definitely want to
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  Speaker 1: believe that. Yeah, Well, it keeps you coming up here
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  Speaker 1: and keeps you wanting to get out there in the
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  Speaker 1: woods and you know, maybe run into one of them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so let's chat about the hunt real quick. Then me
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  Speaker 1: and Jordan were hunting together, Jordan running the camera. I
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  Speaker 1: was on the bow, and um, what we hunted? It's
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  Speaker 1: pretty quick trip hunted one evening, one morning, another evening. Um,
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  Speaker 1: do you want to you want to walk us through
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  Speaker 1: what happened from your perspective from I'm curious what is
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  Speaker 1: it like to hunt with me as a cameraman? Because
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  Speaker 1: I was on the Mediator podcast a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 1: ago and I was with a cameraman on that show.
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  Speaker 1: He was filming me for their show, and he was
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  Speaker 1: also on the podcast, and so he was like kind
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  Speaker 1: of we're kind of all sharing stories about what that
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  Speaker 1: was like. And Steve was talking about him and his
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  Speaker 1: caraman dynamic, and I was chatting my caraman our dynamic.
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  Speaker 1: And then someone on going back to Instagram comments someone
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  Speaker 1: they had a whole spiel about how they thought that
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  Speaker 1: I sound like a horrible person to have a chastise
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  Speaker 1: and criticize my cameraman. I was actually gonna ask Jordan
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  Speaker 1: how Mark Mark was me and doing at all. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we had a good time on the tree.
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  Speaker 1: We liked it a lot. It was I mean, and
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  Speaker 1: going back to it too. It's what I've grown up doing,
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  Speaker 1: so it's you know, it's natural for me to climb
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  Speaker 1: eighteen feet up in a tree and sit still for
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  Speaker 1: hours out of time. And I mean, there definitely is
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  Speaker 1: the aspect of still needing to do my job and
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  Speaker 1: getting the shots that are needed, but try to try
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  Speaker 1: to do my best to not screw everything up for
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  Speaker 1: the guy with the boer gun. We're talking about the
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  Speaker 1: dynamic cameraman messing up hunts these days, uh, and whether
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  Speaker 1: it's better to have a cameraman first or hunter first
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  Speaker 1: or both. But I've been on a lot of hunts
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  Speaker 1: with Jordan. I can pretty confidently say he's never screwed
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  Speaker 1: a hunt up in any way, shape or form that
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  Speaker 1: I'm aware of. At least it's good, pretty good record.
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  Speaker 1: I thought. I thought it was a pro real real quiet,
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  Speaker 1: real still um so quiet, like I didn't even know
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  Speaker 1: when he was filling around with the camera in pass situations.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you hear like loud noises when they start filming
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  Speaker 1: or starting to do something. I would never know it,
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  Speaker 1: so I'd kind of turn around to start chatting with
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  Speaker 1: him about something, and then there's that cameramera. I've actually
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  Speaker 1: deemed Jordan is my good luck charm. Yeah, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: been he's been hot for me the last year or so.
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  Speaker 1: Here I've had in the tree than I have by myself.
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  Speaker 1: I wish, I wish you would have brought that for
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  Speaker 1: this strip. Fare Farrell used all the luck. Couldn't we
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  Speaker 1: split him up? That was a problems So yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: so sorry to continue. Tell us, tell us about your
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  Speaker 1: perspective from the rest of the couple of days. What happened?
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  Speaker 1: What do we see? Not not too terribly mud I
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  Speaker 1: mean from a content perspective, content perspective, it was great, Um,
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  Speaker 1: tell about what eight thirty this morning? Then little little
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  Speaker 1: noise walking through the woods. Some des apparently didn't like
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  Speaker 1: what they Yeah, coming down there, come down wind of us,
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  Speaker 1: blow blowing him south Jordan. What's the sound of deer
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  Speaker 1: Max When it's good good, it's it's earth shattering disappointment.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, we want to hear it. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: the sound effect man. And then you look at Mark
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  Speaker 1: space the mouth noises from Yeah, what else do we
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  Speaker 1: hear the trip bald eagle, what's your deem like the
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  Speaker 1: sound effects guy, sound efect guy. Let's here, bald eagle. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I got it. Put me on the spot. Man, you
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  Speaker 1: just did it. It was very good. I did, but
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  Speaker 1: that was no pressure, and I was send in the
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  Speaker 1: backseat of a truck. Now everybody's staring at me, and
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  Speaker 1: my face is getting all red. Okay, nobody look at Jordan.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody look everyone look at further. I'm not not going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to crack it. I'm not gonna be
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  Speaker 1: able to do it. No, what about the mallard, mate,
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  Speaker 1: because we had mallards flying over us. Oh that's really good.
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  Speaker 1: I'll try a bald eagle. That's now now absolutely better
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  Speaker 1: than that. You'll lose much better than that. Something I
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  Speaker 1: really want to be known for our thing just sound effects. Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: at some point during this episode, I would really encourage
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  Speaker 1: you to just jump in with the bald eagle when
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  Speaker 1: you work your way up, when you're at least expecting
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  Speaker 1: at all. Yeah, yeah, because that that is a cool sound. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: we did see bald eagles, we saw mallards. We had
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  Speaker 1: the four doughs come down and wind us, and that
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  Speaker 1: was kind of it. Unfortunately, although so pretty good must
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  Speaker 1: sign really good sign A bunch of scrapes around the
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  Speaker 1: spots we hunted the first day and morning, and then
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  Speaker 1: this evening I got thinking, well, like my traditional little
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  Speaker 1: honey hole here excuse me, has never been the same
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  Speaker 1: since further hunted it. That's true, It is true because
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  Speaker 1: usually this is the spot I always hunt, and we
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  Speaker 1: mentioned this last time we were here. Josh got here
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  Speaker 1: day earliest. I said, he you can you hunt the
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  Speaker 1: food plots, and so he went and hunted it. You
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  Speaker 1: saw three bucks and there's not been a dear scene
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  Speaker 1: since acting normally walking through there. What can I say?
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  Speaker 1: I know how to keep him away? Yes, So so
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  Speaker 1: then though this evening I was like, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: let's just go check out a new area um that
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  Speaker 1: I haven't hunted in a very long time and just
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  Speaker 1: kind of hanging hunt, just scout our way in and
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  Speaker 1: try to find something. And there was freshmen down on
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  Speaker 1: the ground, so I was hoping, you know, maybe we
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  Speaker 1: could cut a fresh track and set up on that
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  Speaker 1: and see if something might come back through. This afternoon
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  Speaker 1: and took us a long longer time to find some
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  Speaker 1: fresh sign that I was hoping. But we did finally
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  Speaker 1: work our way far back to the north, up through
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  Speaker 1: this kind of high ground area towards the swamp. There's
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  Speaker 1: there's a creek that runs and we angle our way
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  Speaker 1: that way, and Um, just before we got to that creek,
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to make my way kind of angling
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  Speaker 1: towards this flooded area a long time ago. There's a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of beavers in the area, flooded up, dammed up
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  Speaker 1: with this creek and large flooded area that now is
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  Speaker 1: a lot of dead trees and cattails and all that
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And I think there's a decent amount
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  Speaker 1: of activity along that kind of trend that habitat transition.
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  Speaker 1: And um, so we're kind of angling towards that, and
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  Speaker 1: then I happened to see what looked like like an
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  Speaker 1: oval patch where there was no snow. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you noticed, but we were walking. I stopped and
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  Speaker 1: pulled my binoculars because I just caught this, like it
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  Speaker 1: looks like a bed, and UM pulled up the buyos
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  Speaker 1: and sure enough had to be a bed, and so
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  Speaker 1: we walked over to it, and sure enough, there's two
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  Speaker 1: beds there some fresh tracks, so I figured, okay, we
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  Speaker 1: probably bumped a couple of doughs out of their beds
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  Speaker 1: when we were walking in here. So then we stood
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  Speaker 1: around for a little bit and I'm thinking, wow, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't a buck bed. I'm surprised bumped a couple
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  Speaker 1: of those, but it is the first time we've seen
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  Speaker 1: a deer in the area at all, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it might be a sign of a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: going on. So I thought, well, let's let's move up
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  Speaker 1: kind of up wind of this little stretch of pines.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Let's patch high ground, see what else we see. So
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: we slowly snuck our way around here, and um, as
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: we come around the edge again along this transition between
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you can see the cattails and then there's this high
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: patch with some pines on it. And as we're coming
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: along that line, I know it's a little rub tiny,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: tiny little tree, and I got, well, hey, that's I
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: guess it's something. And then we're standing there kind of
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: looking at it and just kind of perusing the scene
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: around us, like, oh, there's another one, a little bigger tree.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: We go walk over to that. I'm like, okay, now
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: we're seeing something. Oh, here's some more fresh tracks. And
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: then while we're standing there, oh there's a nice rub.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: It's a big rub, went way up tall on the
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: scale of that one. So we're looking at that. I'm like, man,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: that's a good rub for around here. And then I'm
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: like that that can't be what I think it is.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And I go take a step around. There's a big
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: pine tree that's like six inches in diameter maybe, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: that sucker was rubbed up. I've never seen tree that
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: big rubbed up up here before. Um, so then I
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: was excited, like we just found like a little zone.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: What what what kind of screamed up to me is
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: like a buck betting area. This could be a little patch. Mean,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a prototypical little buck beed, kind of spotty.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: You're on a little bit of a point that kind
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: of extends into that stuff, a little bit of high ground,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and um, with all these rubs concentrate on hilaria, that
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: seemed to scream out good spot. So we're like, oh, well,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you know, if there was something better to here, we
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: definitely bumped it. But um, we got nothing better to do,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: might as well set up and try to hunt it.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: And that's what we did, I wouldn't call that approach stealthy.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Walk in there crunchy, super crunchy. Lots of lots of
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: standing water that was frozen and there's just no way
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to get through there without crunching ice. And long story short,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: we did not see a deer to night. But you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you cut fresh snacks, fresh tracks there right there, Yes, yep,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and he was did you think they were buck or
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: dough tracks? And there were a bunch of tracks. Did
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: not end up cutting the buck. But because of the rubs,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: we were hoping that well, you know, there's a lot
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: of area around there. We didn't walk around yet maybe
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: there there had been. Um, so we didn't see any deer.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But what we did see, we're two birds, one with
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: a white head, and it sounded like something something like that. Closer,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: it's closer than marks, a little higher pitched you had
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you had a last time, a little bit. But that
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: was good twitter. Um. Yeah, so that was our deer hunt, Greg,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Your deer hunt wasn't too terribly different. No, it's similar.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I um did uh kind of a hanging hunt the
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: first night. Um further put me onto a good spot
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: where he had seen decent Buck a couple weeks ago.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: So we kind of went in there and picked us
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: out closer to where that deer had walked through, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you guys had a camera over there. So no, there's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: good deer movement in the area. Got a set hung
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and it's at the first evening and it was quiet. Um,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: we get a little bit of a cold front. I
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: mean it was cold already, but a little bit of
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a cold front coming through that evening, it seemed like
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: because that next morning it was, which was this morning
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: is pretty chilly. Yeah, and ended up seeing four dos
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: five dolls this morning. Um, they kind of worked through.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was the same group that kind of
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: scooted by you guys, moved on towards me, and then
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: end up setting the same set. Want to give that
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: set one more try to night again. It's quiet, but
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: it's I mean typical kind of for when I used
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: to the north Woods, low deer densities, but awesome country.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, about as beautiful as you can get in
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: terms of a set. Yeah, I mean it is. It's
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: pretty conscript here. Yeah. Can I interject a quick question? Yeah,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: when people talk about seeing you know, you just said
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you saw four dos or five doughs? Which five doughs,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: four doughs, It doesn't matter, that's not the point of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the question. Is that imply that you saw four Antler
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: lists deer? Because I guess where I'm going, it's often
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I'll see four you know, where I grew up, white Tail,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and I'd see four or five Antler lists deer, likely
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: one or two of which would be actually a button buck.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: When people say I saw four dos, are you saying
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: that you actually saw four confirmed doughs? Are you saying
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: are you using that as shorthand for four Antler lists? Dear?
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It's a good question for uh. I find myself lots
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of times. My initial gut reaction is the latter. I'll
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: say I saw four dos, but it's actually maybe two
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: mature doughs and a couple of fawns, one of which
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: maybe was button buck almost a dough I don't know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: And then sometimes they'll be like, well, actually two or
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: button bucks two or dos or something like. But I
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: often do find myself defaulting to antler lists, just call
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: them does. Yeah, I don't know. Is that is that
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the norm? For what's your think? I would say, um,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: you're the one that brought it up just now. No, no no, no,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that used to sometimes sometimes that's definitely the case, especially
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: when they moved through quick. You don't get a good
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: look at him. But um, the last I don't know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: probably five or six years, I've really tried to even
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: when I see ant Loo's deer get on my bin
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and I wasn't confirm if they were does or potentially
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: button bucks. Um, this group actually worked through it probably yards.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I was able to get a good look at them, um,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and it was definitely all all does. But yeah, that's
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a good point, especially they moved through quick. You know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: if they're not close something, it can be hard to tell.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Swish it the naked eye. Have any of you guys
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: ever killed a button buck mistakenly? I haven't. Now try
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and check a little bit closer. It hasn't happened to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: me yet, but I've always you know, I was fear
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, I was really scouring it and just
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: like kind of my eyes playing tricks on me. Am.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I sure that's a dope, but it happened so often
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it seems like further, have you done that. I've not
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: done that, But I'm in the same bone as Greg, Like, um,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: if they just go through real quick and I can't
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: identify them, you know, four does or whatever. But if
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I'm able to get my buyos up and and really
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: see him and identify the mom I saw a button
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: buck or um. But yeah, I have not shot a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: button buck. But to your point, it does happen all
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the time. Knock on wood. Yeah, do season for you
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: on me is starting here pretty soon. How many does
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: do you want to get this year? Josh um? I
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: would like to shoot too, just for my personal An
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: interesting point we're talking about earlier. So how many deer
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: do you usually too? Is that what you two to three?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: My wife and I we usually to have at least
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: like four. As long as we've got four, we're okay.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: But if I don't have four and it's like late December,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: my wife is on me. I get out there in
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: hunt does. What are you doing? We need me gotta
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: have four minimum? So you're doing four minimum, two of you?
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And in what percent job your animal proteins game? Would
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you say? Oh? I mean there's the occasional store bought
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: chicken very rarely. Otherwise I said um, and then we
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: do um in the past word by like half a
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: hog from an Amish farmer for some work. Um, but
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: red meat and four yeah dough units. Yes, and sometimes
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you know, if I'm lucky certain years like caribou had
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: a cariboo in their last year side of cariboo in
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: four dos or no sorry caribou and four deer. Well,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I guess in the last year was all though, because
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't kill a buck last year. This year, I've
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: got a little left haar of cariboo. I've got two
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: bucks and um, still eating some venison from last year,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: but would like to get a minimum with two more. Um.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: What about you, Greg, I think you were the guy
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: who like caught me off guard with how many of
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you putting that? Yeah, there's a big number. Yeah, I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: typically that's kind of interesting. We're doing some like body
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: mass math last ye. But um, from a white tails perspective, um,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I like to put about six in the freezer every year. Um.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm with Mark. I mean I'm nine nine wild
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: game consumption. I haven't fortunately, I haven't really had to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: go out and purchased meat other than that, just because
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: that's what I choose to eat. But um, I also
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: have a lot of family members and friends who really
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: enjoy the Venison two and I like to be able
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to gifted to them and like to be generous with Yeah. Yeah,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: it's nice to have like a cushion quarreling it away.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But I've found even with you know, whether it's actually
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: six white tails or if you do the math and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: figure out all Okay, I got a cow out this year,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: a meal deer and kind of figuring that much protein
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: or meat per se um. The freezer will be empty
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: come September October this fall and white tail buck by
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: missing something else and then two white tailed dozes here.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: So how it's it's it's every single meal are you
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: punching in? Like breakfast venison, lunch, venison, dinner venison? So
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I feel like we're more like one venison meal if
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: even a night, maybe like four nights a week, maybe
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: five nights a week. Yeah, I bet we'd eat venus
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: in four to five nights a week. Yeah, But I'm
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: with you, We're I would say we're game. Yeah, I'm definitely.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I mean it, don't get me wrong. I mean I'll
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: go out, go out to dinner on Friday Saturday night
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and have a burger, you know whatever. But um, other
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: than uh, you know, the maybe weekly going out to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: dinner one night a week. It's the other six nights
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: or venison. I'm not very good at cooking for like
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: small groups. It's like one or two or three. So
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: typically I'll make like a huge dinner, whether it's massive
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: pot of chili, big old roast, even you know, steaks.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I'll throw eight on the grill and then that becomes
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: dinner for that night, a little bit of left for breakfast,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: something to launch the next day, and then roll it over.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: But I mean more often than not. Yeah, it's it's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: part of three meals a day. I would say for myself,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it's a good way to live. I like it. I don't.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: What's your number four? You know, we're still figuring our
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: equivalent out, I'd say, Um, we actually we had one
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: deer last year, which is slam for sure. Stretch that
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: with a lot of land pills, I'd say, but it
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: sounds like a horrible term just personally from my opinion. Um,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I think I think where I want to be is
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: about an elk and a deer a year. Seems that's
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: what that's what we got right now. We're gonna have
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: a little bis in here. It looks like hopefully if
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: things go well, and then I think, yeah, probably elk
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: and deer by the time we've give them some away,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: probably a full elk and a deer. Can you talk
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: about that bison thing or is that? Yeah? I think
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: so dog's not here, so no, he doesn't know we're
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: giving away so the store and that because a bison
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: hunt is a pretty very unique Yeah, I'm actually I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: will I'll leave out what hunt it is because I
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: don't want to draw my change the draws for myself
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: next year because my buddy drew it. He's actually his
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: hunting list so far, which I think hasn't been entirely
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: with me. I was with him when he shot his
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: first white tail, which was a button buck which he
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to shoot. Story he went from the button
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: buck to ah this uh d I y shammy hunt
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: we did in New Zealand on public land. So he
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: went to right right to the mountain mountain hunt from there,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and uh he did. He has done some Colorado l
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: hunting unsuccessfully in between, but then he went ahead and
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: drew a um a bison tag in the West this
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: year on the first year he put in. I think
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: as as he tends to do it seems like, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: uh so yeah it we'll be we'll be doing a
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: little bison hunt here in about two weeks, I think.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: And what's your role that uh uh porter guy, yeah,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: camp manage, yeah, support all the and I think certainly
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: packing out it's gonna be. Yeah. So you were telling
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: me you had some ideas about how you might because
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: this is a very large animal. Very large animal is
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: it is a cow taggy drew but I believe I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: don't want to. I think cows away between maybe a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: thousand and twelve pounds still as opposed to thousand I
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: think for a bowl. Um, So getting it out it's
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: definitely a challenge. Um. The plan, the running plan right now,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: which may be foolish and may not be is too
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: um either tore in on touring skis to hunt, which
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you know skis with skins, um shoot the thing and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: then sort of skid it out on load sleds um
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: which load sleds which are used typically for haul and
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: gear into back country ski huts, um out on the snow.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: At least that's our running plan right now. I'm not
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: really sure. The good thing is there's a there's an
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: extraction service. If stuff hits the fan, proverbly, we can
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: call and they bring a draft horse out and they'll
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: pack it out. I think we're gonna try and avoid
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: doing that just because of the expense. But if we
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: get in a pinch or what have you, or the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: snow is not deep enough for our plan to play out,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I think we'll have their phone number. Also kind of
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: nice as a backup plan for sure. I'd like the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: sled idea. Yeah, well, we'll see, we'll see. It depends
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the area we're gonna be hunting them in. In In theory
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: is I don't think super super it's kind of in
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a valley, in a rural, mountainous area. Um So in
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: my head, it's like flatish and dragging stuff around on
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: sliders with skis. It's going to be possible, but it
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: could certainly be the kind of thing when you get
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: there and it's just totally not an option. Yeah, like
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: what happens when you got a downhill and you've got
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: four pounds of meat that's sliding down behind you. Yeah, yeah,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: we'll figure that out. I think it'll I think it'll
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: work okay, But yeah, I mean and certainly I think
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: do you ride the sled down. Do you just sit
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: on the sled? I think you kind of cruise down,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: because going downhill with climbing skins on your skis is
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: also kind of not a not a positive outcome either,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So I think you try and avoid super steep stuff.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And I also think I doubt will be you know,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I imagine us putting a rear quarter that maybe weighs
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: two pounds on the sled and going a piece. Yeah,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna, you know, try and get
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: half half the bison on the on the sled at
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: one time, I think. But again, it's all it's gonna
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: be a big learning experience. I think just even breaking
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: one down it's gonna be that's really interesting. A lot
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: of have on blades. I think you're going to be
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: very intrigued. You're saying, like, how do you even gut bison? Yeah,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: whether you pull the two quarters off the uphill side,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: so to speak, or the exposed side and then you
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: pull the guts out. I mean I can only see
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: myself like entering the bis in rib cage trying to
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: pull the guts and whatnot out, So I don't I
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: don't know how it's gonna go. It'll be an adventure
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, exactly. Um, jeez, Jordan, what's your
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: dear number of the freezer? I bet, between my wife
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and I probably do about two a year. Yeah, this
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: year is kind of a frantic experience. This summer in July,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I lost my chest freezer. So, yeah, you told me
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, that's the worst night there, I can
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: imagine the most sick I think I've ever felt about
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: anything like that. It was miserable just going into the
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: garage after a weekend away with family coming back and
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: smelling and then kind of knowing before he even open
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the freezer, what what's going on in there? That that
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: event single handedly caused me to go out, And by
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: go out, I guess in this day and age, it
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: means go on to Amazon and purchase a freezer or alarm. Yes,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I never knew there was a thing until you told
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: me about. Yeah. Yeah, I think I sold a few
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: of them after telling the story, but bought one too. Yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't know too terribly much about them,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: but um, the one that I'm looking into at least
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: is kind of like temperature regulated, so if it yeah,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: if it gets up above a certain degree in the freezer.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: It'll let you know so you can go check it
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: before anything gets Yeah, it's it's real basic. It was
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: twenty or thirty bucks. This is almost like I feel
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: like this is a sales pitch for the three yea
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: UM And it's essentially it's got a remote unit that
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: goes into the freezer, sits in there, and then it
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: wirelessly connects to a little thermostatic looking deal that you
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: know is in my kitchen and it tells me room
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: temperature is sixty two and freezer temperature is negative five
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: right now. And if the freezer hits you can program
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the number I think minds twenty degrees. It starts beeping
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: and you know, the most irritating of ways and lets
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you know that something's something's amiss are the ones they
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: can get that like goes your phone. There are yes, definitely,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I mean they go up and open up for sure
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: in terms of I think quality and whatnot, Like a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: near scenario, you weren't home so you wouldn't hear it. Yeah, exactly,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: like exactly, And yeah, I mean I guess it's kind
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: of changed my program too, because before that I had
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: probably only been checking the freezer once a week, you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: so even if it was only a couple of days,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I probably could have saved it. But yeah, so now
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I will definitely be a little bit more paranoid checking
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: every single time I walked by it. I actually had
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: that happen to me that first the first year ever,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that shot. Oh yeah, but when I'm still living at home,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: like right after college, and my dad had had unplugged
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: something in the garage. Yeah, thank you. My dad had
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: unplugged something to the garage and he unplugged the wrong
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: chord and he unplugged the freezer, and it was did
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you resent him for that? I was pissed for a while.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: That was your first year, the first first year, and
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: his dad's freezing. It was just a horrible feeling, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: he felt he felt really really bad. So now looking back,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I was fel bad that I was. I was pretty
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: hard on him about it, really hard on him. And
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I feel bad now because I know how bad he
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: felt about it. No, No, are used me and to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: your dad as we heard of my dad. No, we're
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: not mean to your dad. We just we just like that.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I don't I we were telling these guys back in
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the day. We always used to go to your house,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you know, we in high school or college. We go out,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: you know, doing whatever we do late at night with
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: our friends and stuff. And um Josh's house was like
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a friendly place to crash after the evening. That was
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: like because basement was a good place, was centrally located.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: You knew it would be open and available. So we all,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: me and a bunch of our buddies would all go
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: and we all crash at your house tonight. And your
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: dad is just like Greg and that he could be
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: like he could be talking and then seconds later, mid
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: conversation's just be passed out. I can't tell you how
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: many times my dad has just passed out mid conversation
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: with me. Yeah, And then the cool thing about your
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: dad those when he passes out. I feel like this
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: is and you tell me if this is not accurate,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: but I feel like every time I've ever seen him sleeping,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I've seen him sleeping many times having come over to
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: your house like this, He's always storing with his mouth
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: wide open, I mean wide open mouth. His belly is
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: just heathing up and down. He listened to this sometimes
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: take it easy. And we used to used to have
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: a big husky dog and we would take big dog
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: biscuits and stick him your dad's mouth and your dog
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: would jump up and start friends kissing them in the biscuits,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: like jump right on his belly, and my dad freak out,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: lunge up. We gave him a hard time about them.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: We're pretty mean. Never gets old. I love thinking about
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: that every time. UM. Now I don't know where I
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: was going ahead and plan in my head, and we
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: still start talking about Frank and further almost thrown off UM,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: which brings me back to Greg and the fact that
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you guys are here. That was pretty cool. You guys
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: reached out and we're interested in spending some time together. Um.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: You know, started started working with first Light this year,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: which has been a cool experience getting to know everyone
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit better. But the fact
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: that you guys have have reached out pretty proactively quite
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a bit to get you know, some thoughts for me
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: on some of the gear and UM, get to test
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: out some different things and then to to spend some
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you know, quality time like this. I was I was
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: excited about that. UM. From your guys perspective, you know what,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: what were you guys hoping to achieve you know, here
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: doing this and it definitely seems like you guys are
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: prioritizing what we've got going on here in the white
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Tail world. Yeah, absolutely so, Um, you know, for for
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a while now, and I don't this is not a
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: recent thing. I mean, we've been making gear that we've
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: used in the white Tail would since two thousand seven.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And you know, from at inception of the company that
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the Ethos has always been making super versatile gear that
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: will you know, keep you comfortable in a wide variety
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of situations. And you know, initially that offering, that spattering
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: of gear was it was smaller than it is now.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: You know, as a startup company. We've grown a lot
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: since then. Um, but to that point, we've also you know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: we've grown to a point now where you know, previously
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the offerings that we had, like I said, we're very
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: versatile and you could use them east to west, and
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: we still believe that's true. I mean, the Ethos and
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: most of our design is to design very versatile pieces
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: that can be used anywhere. But that being said, Um,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm a Wisconsin guy. I grew up in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the Bid West and cut my teeth in white tails,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: there's something to be said for somewhat specialized pieces for
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: specific use cases. UM. And we know that we know
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: that about the West, we know about the East, we
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: know that about the Midwest, and a big push for us,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I would say since probably deals and thirteen
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: when we really started coming out with some specific white
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: tail gears to continue to push that movement. And we
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: really want to do the same thing we've done with
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: our Western gear in the white tail space, and that
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: is create products that are revolutionary. We have really no
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: intention on copying what's out there or making things very
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: similar to what's out there. We want to take you know,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: what we've done in our entire company and all the
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: products that we've released and focus some of that attention
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and some of that product development and some of that
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: you know, desire to push the boundaries specifically in this
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: white tail space because we think that the groom to
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: do that, UM. And a big part of you know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: why we've reached out to you and want to spend
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: some time with you is, you know, we know we
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: can get a lot more done in a few days
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: of talking face to face and hunting together and you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: talking chopper on a cool camp like this about things
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that we want, things that you want, you know, where
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you see that we can improve, where we think we
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: can improve, and you know, knock heads for a few
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: days and stuff like that, and we can get a
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: lot done. And our goal is to you know, there's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: very few guys that spend as many days in a
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: tree stand as you do. And who better to reference
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: or to reach out to you or to knock heads
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: with on the stuff than something like that. Yeah, well,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I I appreciate, you know, the opportunity to do that
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: and get to, you know, share my perspective and everything.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: And I've always thought whether it be product feedback or
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: just deer hunting knowledge or something I've never ever thought of,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: like me in my perspective being all that terribly important
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: or useful. But I do get a unique opportunity to
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: talk to so many different people, all these different people
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: that spend a whole lot of time in the woods
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that are really good at what they do, and I
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: get a silk and all that, and I feel like
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: if I'm help well any kind of way, I think
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: it's just by like being a conduit for all these
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: other people's information and getting to people. So I think
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: maybe that's if if I can be helpful, all it
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: might be in that way, I can get a lot
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: of different people's feedback to you guys, And I think
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: that's I've been trying to do a little bit, and
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: that's that's cool. Yeah, I definitely think that's true. And
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you know I agree with that, um. And I think
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: ultimately for any of these pieces that we design and
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that we're trying to bring to market, really, in my eyes,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you know, as a product guy, where we can make
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: strides and where we can make improvements is talking to,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: working with and being a part of a spattering of
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: people that spent a lot of days in the field.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: You know, I know for myself, Um, you know, I,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: like I said, group in the Midwest, spent a fair
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: amount of time out West. Have recently relocated back to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the Midwest. Um. You know, I know for myself in
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: those years that I was specifically living out West, I
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: would still get back and you know, I get ten, twelve,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: fourteen days in a tree. But when you get that
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: number of days in a tree, your focus is on
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: just getting the job done. You know, my focus was on, Hey,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I'm here for a short amount of time. I'm really
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: focused on hunting, you know, the rut. I'd love to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: kill a good buck, X, Y and Z. You know,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: when you're present in a specific white tail space for
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: an entire season. You know, but we're early December now, right,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: most of us started hunting sitting in a tree in
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: mid September, early October. You know, when you get that
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: forty fifty days in a tree, your focus changes a
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: little bit and it's much less. Hey I need to
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: kill a big buck now, or hey I need to
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: do X, Y and Z, And you really have time
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: to start nitpicking, Well, should the zipper go this direction?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Should this pocket actually be here? You know? What am
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I missing in this piece? What do I wish was
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit different about that? In those perspectives, you know,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: in our eyes and especially in product development, those are
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: the perspectives that enact major changes and revolutionary changes. And
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: you know, pieces that either already exist, you know, changes
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to them, or new pieces that we need to come
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: out with. So those perspectives of those, you know, the
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: guys like yourself for anybody else that gets those high
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: number of days in a tree are extremely valuable in
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: product development. UM further, do you want to tell us
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: what your favorite feature was on the Sanctuary bibs. Yeah,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: there's a there's one feature that I could see myself
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: using quite often actually, uh and there's so many stories
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: about further related to this kind of feature. Yeah, I'm
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the Sanctuary. The Sanctuary bibs. Yeah, they have like a
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: emergency valve on the back side of them. You can
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: zip open the your rear end and have easy access to,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: uh um, your undergarments if you need, if you need
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: to use them. All jokes aside, like that is a
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: really smart feature, isn't. It's just it's just it's awesome
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: human nature folks. Uh In anyone who listened to the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: podcast a couple of weeks ago when I talked about
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the poop blind story, you know that if I happen
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to be wearing that set of bibs, it would have
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: been a different scenario a little bit. It would have
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: been a lot easier. Uh So I was really impressed
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: with that. Just like, speaking of which, are you going
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: to have that feature on the mid season piece at
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: any day or is there a reason why you didn't
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: put it in the mid season prototype that I was using. Yeah? So, um,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: that feature definitely serves one Nature calls um. As you know,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the Sanctuary bib is a very it's a very cold
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: weather piece. UM. So ironically, another reason for that feature
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: is it's actually one of the best ways to dump heat.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: So as opposed to side zips, if you can open
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: up the back of your pants with that zipper and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: leave that top section open, it's a great way to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: dump pete. So another reason that that's present in the
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Sanctuary bibs is because they are so heavy you can
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: still wear them your walk to the stand of a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: bunch of heat. UM. With the mid season kit, being
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: that it is designed for a more mild climate or
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: mild temperature hunt, we didn't include that feature. Um. It
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: can be a bit it's it's some extra parts and pieces, right,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: and it's great when you need it. With the mid
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: season kit, because it's designed to be used when it
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: is warmer out, we knew that we weren't going to
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: need to be able to dump as much heat out
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: of those so we didn't include that feature with those pieces.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: One thing I did really like about that mid season
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: kit was just it It did not feel bulky in
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. It was really nice and
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I always bring this up when I'm giving feedback.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I don't like bulky stuff. And what I liked about
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: that those mid season pieces it was very lightweight, UM.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: So I like the fact that you want a relatively
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: minimalist UM style when it came to a lot of
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: things there to keep it. You know, UM, I'm missing
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the right word in my head, but not bulky. Trim.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: It's a trim athletic piece, that's I'm looking for. Triman
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Athletic is how typically Mark's middle name. Thank you squash. Yeah,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I think we can talk maybe a little bit about
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: that now. Most of the listeners that have used our
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: first light white tail line before would be familiar with
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the Woodberry Jacket UM as well as potentially the Sanctuary kit,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and one of our big focuses UM this year was
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the redesign of what we would consider a mid season kit.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And this is supposed to be your piece that you know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it's your mid to late October through the November, so
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: basically through Thanksgiving. And you know I was wearing it
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: this week. You know, we were in the high twenties,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: low thirties, UM, and it's supposed to hit that sweet
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: spot of when the majority of guys and gals are
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: really focused on the white tails. And one thing that
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: we did notice, the Woodberry is a great piece. I mean,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: we all use it a ton. I love that that jacket,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: but it was a little bit too heavy for that
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: sweet spot in terms of time on the calendar when
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be you know, hunting the rut, pre rut,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: post rout, et cetera. So we went back to the
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: drawing board with this piece, and um, we have a
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: top and a bottom bib style bottom, and then a
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: jack to go along with it, and the focus exactly
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: we're talking about markets. We wanted to be a trim
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: piece that didn't feel bulky, that could take you through
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: that entire season. Um, keep you warm, keep you dry,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: block the wind, super quiet um, and it's easy to
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: move around. And that was really our goal that you know,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: both the top and the bottom, that whole kit. Yeah,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and then and and I had one version of the prototype,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and I liked it quite a lot. Um, but I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: did have a few pieces of feedback and already you've
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: got a modified version of that that seems to have
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: taken a lot of those things that you'd read my
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: mind before I even shared a bunch of stuff with
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you guys. Um that seems like an even improved version
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: of it, which I'm excited to try soon. Yeah. Absolutely
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: so a big part of our design processes, we don't
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: want our customers to be the guinea pigs. And we've
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: got great guys like you and a bunch of other
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: pro staff and field testers that kind of get a
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: chance to use this stuff, you know, late in the development,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: but yet still with time to make modifications. So when
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: we bring this product to market, it's been used for
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: entire seasons. We've gathered a bunch of feedback on it, um,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and we did exactly that with this piece. Um. The
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: piece has got a bunch of cool features specific to
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the white tail guy or gal um, whether it's pocketing,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: whether it's passed through for kangaroo pockets, so you can
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: keep thin gloves on to operate your release and even
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: with your bow hand you know, bulk there and things
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: of that nature. But let's I want to make sure
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: to mention that specific because that is nice. You've got
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: so on the bib right, you've got you've got a
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: regular center zip jacket correct, um, so that you know
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: you've a regular pockets in the jacket, but then on
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: the inside, right, you're wearing your bibs on the kind
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: of just below your chest, there's a kangaro pocket on
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: the bibbs. So what was smart about you guys. What
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you guys did here is that you've got venting zippers
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: on either side of the jacket, so you can open
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: that up if you want to vent. But then it
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: also allows you to create a hand opening to pass
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: your hands into the jacket inside and then place them
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: inside of the kangaroo pocket on the bibbs. Right. And
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty a pretty nice way to get that
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: kangaroo hand orb type feature while still maintaining a regular
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: jacket style. Um. That was pretty slick. Yeah, And you
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: know that was a design feature that we struggled with
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: for a while. You know, there's a bunch of different
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: ways to integrate essentially a muff into the jacket, you know,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: whether it be with a different style of zipper, different
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: configuration of zipper, etcetera. Um, some of those can be
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit tough to operate at certain points. UM,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: but you know, we knew that especially for white tail
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: bow hunters. UM, we value the ability to not wear
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: bulky gloves at any point. And really, you know, what
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I've found in that space is that the only way
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: to really keep your hands warm if you're not wearing
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: bulky gloves is they have to be close your body
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: and they have to be together. Um, you know. And
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: another thing specific to you know, I think the way
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: most of us hunt is even if you only have
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: a four hunder, your walk in your stand, a lot
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: of times you're not wearing your jacket in because you
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: gotta walk in, you gotta climb your stand, et cetera,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: especially during the early season. So what we really want
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: to do was we wanted to integrate that kangaroo, you know,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: that pouch pocket into the bid. So you know, say
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: it's October and it's on the warmer end. You know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: maybe that jacket never comes on, but yet you still
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: have that pouch feature built into the bid because you
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: may be wearing lighter layers on top of the bid
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: over it or you know, solo um and then to
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the same realm when it does get you know, into
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: early November, mid late November, and you're going to integrate
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the jacket, we still want to be able to utilize
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: that same pouch without adding bulk or ama for a
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: funky zipper um, which is why we designed the past
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: through pockets. Yeah, let's look real quick. I want to
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: put a time out on this conversation because this is
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: future Mark talking to you now, and I want to
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: give your heads up on something kind of cool that
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: we decided to put out there. Given the fact that
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: with the First Light guys in to hunt with me,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: we wanted to to run a little special opportunity for
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: everyone listening because I've been getting so many questions and emails,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: as I mentioned already about what kind of First Light
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: stuff am I wearing? And we actually have first Like
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: gear for sale over on the Meat Eater website, and
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: we're going to run a special promotion for you guys,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: giving you twenty off any of the First Light that
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: we've got on sale, plus free shipping on orders over
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: fifty dollars. So you can get this stuff by going
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: to the meat eater dot com and then clicking over
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: into the shop. And when you click into the shop,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: you're gonna see all this stuff. Stuff like the Sanctuary
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Bibbs is where Jack and I was just talking about.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: That stuff is twenty off and I've just been hearing
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: from so many people that are interested in trying the
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: stuff out. If you if you've been interested, this is
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: a great time to do it. Fifty orders or more
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: or free shipping by using promo code wired as W
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I R e D. Find that over at the meat
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: eater dot com clicking to the shop you'll see it
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: all right there. Now back to the conversation. So for
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: someone listening who there are decked out and whatever stuff
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: they like to wear, they don't care about first light,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna buy some new stuff, or they they've
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: got their own favorite brand or anything like that. I
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: think what's interesting for that guy or girl. Still, what
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I've always found interesting, regardless of my brand affinities or
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: whatever I'm wearing and stuff is it's always kind of
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: intriguing just to hear, like what the process that goes
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: into making high end equipment like this, Like can you
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: walk us through? Because I gotta from from what little
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: inset I do have, it seems like it is a process.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: It's not something you guys just like throw something at
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the wall and all of sudden it happens. Talking to
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: a number of different companies in different spaces, it's it's
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: always been interesting to me to hear about that that
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Where how does this go from like
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: an idea or two, hey, we need to start doing
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: X for the white Tail guys and girls or whatever.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: What does that look like to the point where something
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: actually finally does get launched to the world. That's a
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: great question, and honestly, it's a question that I could
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: not have answered before I had been involved in it,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: you know, because from an outside perspective, and I always
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: had it too, I was guilty. It's like, oh cool,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: you come up with something, you build it, you build it,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: and then you bring to market, right, and it seems easy.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: It seems easy, um to that point though, I mean
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I joke with my friends at this point, I constantly
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I'm writing the wrong date, like when I read out
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: checked when I date things, because in my world, we're
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: working two years out so right now, you know, we're
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: working on products they're gonna be coming out two years
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: from now and stuff we're I mean, we're already into
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: prototype being two thousand twenty stuff. So and that's how
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: long it takes us to get through you know. This
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: basically from idea concept like putting a list of bullet
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: points on paper. This is what is what we want
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: to design. This is what it needs to do to
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: essentially getting to a you know, a vector diagram and
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: architectural draft of that building. The first rounds of trial pieces,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: you know, getting those in house and testing them, going
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to second, third, fourth, fifth rounds before we even are
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: feel confident in putting it in the hands of our
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: pro staffers are testers. You know, they get a full
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: year in the pieces and then we got a little
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: bit of time to make changes, and you know, two
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: years later that's when we can finally bring it to market.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: So it's definitely a lengthy process, and we could make
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: it go quicker, you know, we could get things to
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: market much quicker than that. But a big part of
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: where we come from as a company, and I mentioned
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: this before, I don't mean it sounds like a broken record,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: but we don't want our customers to be the guinea pigs.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: You know, this stuff needs to be tested, perfected, perfect
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: before it gets in the hands of any of our consumers.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: So long story short, you know, we're essentially working on
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: a two year cycle. Um a full year of that
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: is testing in a full year that is designed and prototyping.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: M that's gotta be I don't know for someone who
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: myself I speak about here. It's so driven by instant
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: gratification and some different things. That's gotta be a little
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: bit difficult um to be working on things that you're
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: not going to see the the fruits of your labor
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: come to fruition until two. It's it's an interesting perspective,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: you know, because you're involved and you know what's coming
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: and it's not there yet. It's not you know, ready
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: to come to market yet, but you know what's coming
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: down the pipe. And after you finally bring that line
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: to market, you know, for that first year, you want
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: to be excited about it and you want to you know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: shake your own hand, impair yourself on the back. But
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: guess what, that next year cycle has already started or
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: cranking on those pieces. So it's a fun, fast based environment.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: And you know, for for guys like us that you
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: have an awesome opportunity to work for a company that
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: really drives innovation. It's it's great because it's ever changing
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: and the work has never done and it's very gratifying
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: when those pieces do get to market, and you know,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: our customers and guys like you are are stoked on them.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: You know that's our ultimate goal. But yeah, yeah, it's
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: gonna be cool feeling. Um So. So I don't wanna
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: um go overboard talking about products and stuff all day,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: but I do get I get inudated with people asking
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: me questions. Ever since you know, I started UM testing
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: out a lot of first like year this year, have
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: been getting so many questions, what piece should I be
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: wearing for this scenario? Or what jacket is that? Or
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: what basically are you wearing? Or what this? What that?
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: With this? Do you want to share it like us?
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I mean a quick cliff notes one oh one on
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the first light white tail you know, pieces or a
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: couple of things that you think are worth mentioning or
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: anything like that. Just to touch on a handful of
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you mentioned this mid season prototype that I've been using
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: that you use here that's gonna be coming out sometimes soon,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: right listen that in January? Okay? Is there is there
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: any other quick rundown you want to share that the
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: folks you know about UM or as a white tailed
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: guy or girl, I should you know, look at as
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: one of my first options or anything like that, yeah,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I could definitely do that maybe just and I'm sorry,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I will tease that. I actually we just put together
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: a video that's gonna come out, so rather than me
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: going through this whole thing right now, we did just
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: film a video where I walked through my whole system
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: for this season. So I tested out all sorts of
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: different gear this year, and I kind of I think
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I've got to kind of nailed down to what my
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: favorite set was for the early season, my favorite stuff
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: for like the middle of the season during the rut,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: and now what I'm wearing now during the late season.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: So I share that in a video that hopefully we'll
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: be live for people to watch the day after this
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: podcast comes out. Um, so I'll tease that, go to
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: the wire Tunk YouTube channel now for soon for that.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: But Greg, no, that would be that would be perfect.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: We get, Um, we get that same question a lot. Um.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I think maybe the best kind of route for this
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: is I'll give a real mile high overview here and
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: then if Ford or Jordan wants to fill in any
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: gaps or you know, markred further as well, Um, you
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: can do that in addition to that. And you know,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I definitely want to say, we got a good chunk
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: of our customer service team at this point, our Midwest
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: born and bread. So these boys have spent some time
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: in tree stands. And if you ever any questions with
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: regard to your white tail kit, UM, there's plenty of
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: people that if you give the officer the rank, can
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: help you out. But yeah, just about half of them
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I think we're yeah, almost fifty. Yeah,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: we're actually just remarking that so many of the applications
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: we get for internships, for jobs what have you are
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: actually from sort of the certainly Midwest and maybe even
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: like northern northern Midwest, probably wrong where Great Lakes region,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I guess, interestingly enough, And at this point, what do
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: we have four people maybe from the Midwest overall at
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: least a lot of a lot of white tail knowledge
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: in the office. But I think you know, long story short.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: You know, First Light was founded on Marino wool. You know,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: that's where our company was started, UM, and it started
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: at bass layers, and obviously it's expanded to a full
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: line of bass layers, mid layers outer where, but UM,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: especially for and I think sometimes this gets overlooked for
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: the white tail guy or gal. You really can't go
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: wrong with Marino wool because it does everything that a
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: serious white tail hunter needs. It's quiet, um, it's owder resistant,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: it's gonna keep you fairly cool. It breathes super well.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: It's gonna keep you cool on that hike in. And
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: then even if you do get you know, potentially a
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: little bit sweated up on the hike in, um, it's
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: gonna keep you warm and dry fairly quickly once you
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: actually get into the stand. So, you know, for the
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: early season or if you're you know, tail grounds I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: would say, you know, are in the southern hemisphere or
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: excuse me, in the southern US. Um, you know, you
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: you can't go wrong with those Marino pieces. So we
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: make a Marino pants called the Obsidian Um that's a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: great bottom layer for really any of your white tail
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: endeavors because it regulates body temperature super well. Like I said,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: it breathes really well, um, super quiet, order resistant, and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: then depending on what temperature range you're looking at for
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: that early season. You know, we have a variety of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Marino tops from a hundred and fifty weight all the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: way up to three fifty weight that we're great for
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: your uppers. UM any combination of layering those pieces. Again,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: depending on your situation, you really can't go wrong with those. UM.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I'm always a huge proponent of, whether it's really really
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: hot or really really cold, start with a hundred and
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: fifty weight piece on top, because what that's gonna do
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: is it's gonna breathe well, it's gonna drive fast, it's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: gonna pull that moisture away from your body. It's really
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: going to maintain. You know, what we like to refer
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: to is that microclimate that next to skin, you know,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: keeping your immediate humidity excuse me, in temperature where it
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: needs to be UM. And then again, depending on what
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: your early season looks like for temperatures, you can either
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: choose to run that by itself or with some additional
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: pieces on top. UM tons of variety there. Obviously I
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: can't cover everybody's situation, and you know the thirty second
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: speel here, but that's really kind of my go to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: and most people that use their stuff there go to.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: For an early season, kid is gonna be some combination
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: of obsidian pants and Marino wold top layers. As we
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: move into the mid season. UM, as we mentioned, are
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: you know the slightly cooler attempts. We have a bunch
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: of mid layer pieces that are great. I love the
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: clam with Hoodie. It's a synthetic grid fleece that blocks
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the wind really well, pairs and works really well with
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Marino bass layers. UM. And in addition to that, we
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: have our Catalyst kit. It's kind of a revolutionary two
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: layer soft shell that works great. You know, once you
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: get past the point of being able to just run
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: like an obsidian pant with a wool top. It's a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: two air soft shell, Ultra quiet, ultra breathable, ultra durable. UM.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: You know. The next step past that was the the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: mid season kit that you had talked about, Mark, that
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: you'd got a chance to use this year, which will
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: be releasing in January this year. That's gonna be kind
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: of your bread and butter if you're anywhere in the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Midwest from early November or excuse me, mid October till
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: late November. UM, a bunch of great white tail specific features. Again,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: really quiet. It's meant to keep you warm. As those
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: tempts dropped, It's gonna do a great job of you know,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: shedding moisture preset that you get and blocked the wind,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: and then you know, past that, you move into the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: late season and it's our sanctuary kit. It's kind of
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: the ultimate cold weather Burly do it all. So obviously,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I know I'm I'm not hitting the details and everybody's
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: specific situations, but I would say those are kind of
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: our bread and butter combinations across the board from September
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: fifteen to you know, middle of January, depending on how
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: your season lays out. Yeah, it's been. Um. You know,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: every every time you you're testing new things, you never
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: know what to expect, and you're always a little hesitant.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Especially you know you get comfortable or even wearing happy
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. Anytime you make a change, it is
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: you know a little bit of cause for concern. There's
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: like those little whispers in the back of your mind, like, oh,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: what if you don't like it, What if it doesn't
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: do so good on November seven and the big bucks
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: coming in and you get cold or whatever? You have
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: all these whispers and worries. Um, Unfortunately, all those whispers
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: and worries were for not for me. Everything that I've been,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: all the use so far i've had, I haven't had
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: a single negative experience yet. Um. But I think the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: coolest thing for one, not maybe the only cool thing,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: but but something that I have liked so much about
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: what you guys have been doing is the focus that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: the First Light puts on on giving back on conservation,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: on public land, UM, on making sure that we focus
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: U saw, on some of these bigger picture things that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: make what we'd love to do possible to the wildlife,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: the wild places all that. UM. We had Kel on
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: the show with with me a couple months ago. We we
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't l hunt together, talked a little
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: bit about what he what he was, you know, doing
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: back at that point. Um, but is there anything on
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: that front that you guys want to want to share
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: a little about when it comes to First Lights, Um,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like an important part of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: what you guys stand for. Yeah, it's it's core. It's
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: core for our company. And it's pretty simple really think
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Kenton always obviously Kenton one of the co founders of
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: First Light, Kent and grew. He often gets you know, interviewed, uh,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: talks about what have you on podcasts and what have you? Um,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a simple equation for us, our customers
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: recreate in wild places, uh, and our our chasing wild critters,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: and if those places and those critters aren't around, we
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: don't have a business. No, it's not, it's not really
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: an altruistic thing. Even in that regard. It's it's essential
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: to what we do. And what's more, obviously access to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: in the protection of public lands in the east and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: the west um are our our corridor us also in
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: soo much as a lot of our customers rely on
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: those places for their hunts, well, for their hunts and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: and for everything else really be that camping, fishing, skiing, running,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the whole gamut of activities, grocery acquisition, grocery acquisition. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: that's that's pretty key. Like you said, there's there's a
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: certain practicality um that for all of us. You know,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: you don't need to be just a do gooder. It
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: just makes practical sense to try to fight for these things.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: And of course we I think all of us that
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: love this stuff so much, we also love it in
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: such a way that we want to give back and
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: we want to make sure the future generations have it
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: as good, if not better in the future. UM. So
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: we don't need to when you explain that at all.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: But you mentioned something I don't know why. My head
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: totally jumped to a new place. So if you guys
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: want to go back and say anything else, but somehow
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: my mind just jumped to this question because somehow you
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: you were talking about Kenton, and you were talking about
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: first light, and I'm thinking about first light being in Idaho,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: and I thought about the fact that you were mentioning
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: how you finally got the mule deer bug this year,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: and this is everything that was run anything I had
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: the last thirty seconds while you were talking, I heard
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: nothing that you said, because this is what happens in
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: the mind of Mark Kenyon. And then I thought to myself,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Ford City caught the mule deer bug. Now he finally
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: gets it, and mule des are kind of man, I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: really like white tailed deer. He doesn't know what he's
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: talking about. White tails are greater than mule deer. Game over,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: That's what was going on my head. So the question
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: I need to ask each of you guys now, especially further.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: You can't answer this since you haven't hunting mule there
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: I haven't hunting meal there um. But I know you
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: two have and have you Jordan's just with the camera.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: You've you've hunted them with a camera. Okay, see quite
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: a bit with a camera, so you can go in there.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: But for the two of you, you both grew up
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Midwest or east. You run forward from Maryland right from Wisconsin.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: You both came from a white tail background, then you
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: lived out in Idaho for a period of time on Mull's,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Muli's or white Tails. Who wins in your hearts and minds?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Do you want to go first for? That's an easy
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: question for me. We we actually uh so, we had
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: a fairly substantial white Tailed trip this year. Um it
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: was both a marketing endeavor and um I guess fun
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: endeavor as well, but not a lot of gear testing,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of testing that mid season kit in Yeah
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: entries for sure. And throughout the process of planning this
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: they were some heated discussions within the group about when
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: this trip should start, and the heated discussions largely revolved
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: around there's a certain camp of people that we're not
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: willing to miss the end of meal dear season, and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: then there is another camp of people myself, h and
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: a fellow coworker who is also from Wisconsin Paul Peterson
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: that basically said, we would be very willing to throw
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: our meal dear tags in the garbage to not miss
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: the end of pre rut beginning of white tail ruts.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: So for me, it's it's it's definitely white tails. I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: mean that's what I kind of cut my teeth on
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: and is my bread and butter. And yeah, the white
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: tails hold a special place in my heart. How do
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: you can you articulate why that is it? All? I
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: had this conversation with Steve the other day and he,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I took him out bow hunting in Michigan
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: for white tails, and after that hunt, he was still like,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: he's like, you know, I get it, but it just
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't do it for me, like mule deer, which is interesting,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I should point out, because he is a Michigander, right,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: and we grew up hunting white tails just for the uninitiated.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but now he's all high falutin older guy. Um,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: so why you've had now a lot of experience with both,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: why why do the white tails still just make it?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: You know? I think for me, and don't get me wrong,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I have grown too, and similar to Ford, feel like
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: I have finally kind of got bit by the meal
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: of your bug. It's a animal I respect and definitely
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: enjoy pursuing. Um. But for me, the difference lies in
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: the country that we hunt them in and the chess
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: match that goes on hunting mature white tail bucks. Um.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: They're typically not animals that you first you know, you don't.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: It's not like a meal that refined it in the
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: glass and then you make a plan to get to it.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: You know. From these mature white tail bucks, it's you
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: find them maybe in the glass us in the summer,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: you know, in in fields and X, Y and Z
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: and hopefully on trail camera. Um. But you're essentially, you know,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: you're trying to outsmart an animal in its own bedroom
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: and taking in so many considerations, whether it be whether win, direction,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: time of year, um, you know, you name it, and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: trying to put together a plan to put yourself in
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: a spot to intercept that deer on his normal patterns,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: his normal day to day and do so in a
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: way that he won't know you're there. And for some
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: reason that that chess match, that whole process, you know,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: and for us it starts, you know, essentially after one
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: season is over knowing what deer are still around, and
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: then trying to find their sheds in the spring and
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: putting out trail cameras and potentially you know, planning food
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: plots and the spring and summer and then running those
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: trail cameras to that period of time. And it's the
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: all encompassing process of trying to outsmart a very smart
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: animal in a very small area A lot of times
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: that for some reason I just can't get past. It's
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: it's been insanely addicting for me. You know, something is
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: you're talking about that, and I realized I'm preaching to
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: the choir here, But you know, the choir always gets
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: preached us as part of the part of the game. Um,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: when it comes to white tail hunting, you need to
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: know these good Well, let me take it back. When
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: you're mute, and I've never went mule the hunting, so
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: you can tell me. I don't know, but when I
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: watch mule deer owners on TV UM. But right you're
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: you're spotting an animal. You're seeing that animal in many cases,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: and you know where he is, and then you try
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get to where that animals.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: And I know that's tremendously challenge in a lot of
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: different ways. But when you're hunting a mature white tail,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: you need to know that animals so well that you
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: know where he's going to be before he ever gets exactly.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: You need to predict what he's gonna do weeks or
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: months in advance, and then make sure you are there
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: in that perfect scenario that he goes where you believe
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: he's going to go and doesn't know that you're sitting
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: there waiting for him. And that is such a mental
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: game to put all those pieces together. I say a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: thousand times that chest match, and everybody listening knows that already,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: and that's why they listened to this podcast. So we're
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: all just kind of patting ourselves on the heads and say,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: good job. But well, and it's it's that, and I
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: think it's specially bow hunting white tails. It's that plus
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: some because you know, you may do all those things
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: and you may be within a hundred or a hundred
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: fifty yards of the deer, and to me, that's an accomplishment,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Like you've put together fourteen of those fifteen stats. But
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: to have a successful bow hunt on an animal like that,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: you have to put number fifteen on there, and that's
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: to be within you know, depending on what your range ist,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: et cetera. Yards, And you know that it's it's hard
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: to do. It's really hard to do. And I think
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: that challenge for me is always I don't know, it's
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: it's trumped anything else, any of my other hunting endeavors,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: whether it be elk, mule deer, antelope, et cetera. And
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I know it's there's some nostalgia and in it for
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: me because it's what I grew up doing. But that's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: always been kind of the thing that's fired me up
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: the most. You know. It's interesting though, and I am
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: this is really the first year I've hunted mule deer
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: seriously in any capacity, and probably many people wouldn't even
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: call what I'm doing serious honestly, because that the level
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: of nuttery around big mule dear box is the same
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: as big white tail box. I've discovered, I would say,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: is how similar they are actually? You know, I think
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: we tend to think of mule deer in the spot
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: and stock dynamic. You know, yeah, they're over there, let's
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: how do we get to them? But the craftiness of
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: an old mule deer, I think is not it should
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: not be underestimated. Um and I think they share a
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, for example, you see a big
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: buck in July in out West hunting mule deer. You
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: know he's in the drainage. Okay, great, you maybe see
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: him again in August kind of scouting trip. You might
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: not see him again in that drainage potentially. Ever, you
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: know he's probably there, he's quite likely there, but he's
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: in the timber all day. Every day. He might come
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: out for three minutes, five minutes, fifteen minutes at first light,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: and if you don't happen to be looking at that
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: edge of that timber patch, you never see him. And
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: I think there really is a lot more carryover than
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: I estimated in terms of in terms of that just craftiness,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: that sneakiness and uh sort of to your point, getting
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: to know uh bucks and and trying to figure out
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: where they're gonna be when they're going to be out
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: of the timber for five minutes, you've got to be
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: in the right place, and that might not even be
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: you know, so what you've seen a mile away, that
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't help you at all. It's cool to see him
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: again but you have to be close enough and in
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: the right place that when they come out for five minutes,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: you're there to get them. In the same way, I
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: think that you have to know, you know when a
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: when a box is going to follow a doh through
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: a given area in November, um or or what have you.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: You know. In the in the white tail side of things,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: they really actually are I think more similarities than we
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: think between the two. There's a lot of differences, don't
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: get me wrong. Um And I think the pressure element
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: is always so much higher or almost always so much
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: higher on white tails that that really changes the game.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting the similarities between the two. Also, if
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: if someone put a gun to your head right now
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: and said, next season, you only get to hunt one species, dear,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be white tails or mule deer, you have
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: to choose right now? What is it? Just me personally?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Because for the good of the country white tailed deer?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Why do you say that? Also? Which is you know,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: without question, it's the most important, It's the most important
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: game species in North America. In terms of the number
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: of hunters that have meaningful experiences with the game, white
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: tailor are more people I don't want to say more important.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: That's loaded, but more people they're they're more important to
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: introducing and you know, I don't want to say maintaining.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: They're more important to the enjoyment and satisfaction. And you know,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: frankly food source or the are a food source from
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: more hunters than than mildier I think obviously. So that's
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: your cop on answer answer. It's tough for me. The
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: white tailed thing, I think is more nostalgic. I just
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: the institution of deer camps, the memories I have of
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: deer hunting um and sort of the associations are so
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: strong with white tail hunting. I think right now I
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: very much like muled deer hunting more than white tailing
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: currently in my life, very much so gun gun to
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: the head mule deer hunting forward. I appreciate the honesty, Uh, Josh,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I don't have any nothing Jordan's from your camera hunting.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Does this seem I mean, I definitely I appreciate how
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: you go about meal deer hunting and being from the Midwest,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: how unique it seems not growing up doing it, but
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: being lucky enough to do at a fair amount this fall.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Getting home back to the Midwest back to Minnesota to
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: climb up into a tree stand was one of the
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: most refreshing things I think I could have done. It's
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: just yeah for me, nothing pizza. Yeah. I get this
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: thing where every year around in January or February, I
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: always get in this mode in my mind where I
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: started picking up my Bogle magazine means I'm looking at
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: YouTube and watching some high country meal deer hunt or
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: something like I really want to go do that. So
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: it's then I go plan like an el Cohn or
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go to this meal deer hunter,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: this whatever big game hunt. And um, that's when I'm
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: always in like different species modes like January February coming
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: off the long white tail season. But every single year,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: every year, without fail, August and September rolls around and
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like supposed to be going on an alkhon or something.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: And this is horrible to say this, but every year,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: even this year, I had a great come up, like
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I just want to be in a tree stand hunting
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: white tails, and I got this elkin coming up, but
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: I really want to be checking trail cameras and planning
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: out this hunt. So I don't know I've got a
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: weird disease. Um, I can't I can't focus on anything.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, let's say not that I wanted to
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: be cured, but I don't think you're on with it.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: So if you figure out to cure, please don't give
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: it to me, because I'm fully enjoying the disease. With
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: that being said, fingers crossed, I might get to go
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: on a mule deer hunt someday. That's definitely a bucket
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: list hunt that I'd like to do, So one of
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: these years, I'm just gonna show up that board Storre stuff. Yeah,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: they're just hunting. They are so cool and the country
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: they live in is so cool and uh you know,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: physically they're so impressive. Um yeah, I don't know, it's
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: just kind of taking me a late. I also just
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: like sitting and looking glassing, which is is a is
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: a big part of mule deer hunting obviously, Um, taking
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: it in and seeing what you see. I don't know,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: it's it's definitely taken hold. But I love sitting in
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: tree stand Also, don't get me wrong, I think you
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: know the sites you see that are almost always so
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: close to you when you're in a tree stand. You know,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: it's cool to see stuff a mile away through glass,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: but having a fox run right underde in a tree stand,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: it's it's always going to be that intimate, you know,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: in terms of or or has you learned this year
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: a fox squirrel or a fox far too? What happened
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: with this fox squirrel? What's the what's the fox squirrel story?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: We've been I could pretend like it didn't tell you.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Middle of the rut? Yeah, best time of year, the
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: middle of the rut? What day was that for it?
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Just so listener, I actually don't remember, but I'm sure
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: that it was the greatest day of the rut ever
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: in the world. It was November five, Go ahead, right
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: right to be To be fair, we hadn't seen we
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen any deer, and didn't see anymore dear out
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: of stand, which makes me feel mildly better about myself again.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: It was November five. To reiterate, November five. Things tend
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: to happen on November. Yes, so I'm told um anyhow,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: had had had seen a fox squirrel or two while
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: we were kicking around, had grown up in a place
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: where you actually can't kill fox squirrels on the del
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Marva Peninsula. It was an endangered species growing up. Um
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: it's actually since been listed. Was interested in perhaps eating
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: a fox squirrel. I hadn't really seen any in the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: what I don't know, half a dozen days or what
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: are we hunted? And fox squirrels are dear fox squirrel.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: We've seen a couple of deer um and had one
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: pop out when Jordan and I were hunting at maybe
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: ten yards right under me, I had a judo point arrow.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Figured I would subtly dispatch this fox squirrel and continue
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: with the all day sit and uh, so I kind
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: of excitedly pulled an arrow out of the quiver. Jordan
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: probably thought I saw a buck and lined up on
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: this fox squirrel, which was probably not ten yards It's
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: probably more like ten ft. Did you understand what was
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: going on? I totally did, because I saw him take
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: the arrow with a nice broad head off and replace it,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: replace it with an arrow that had a small game
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: head on it, at which point I side, yeah, you
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: hit records what you did? Did? Yeah? So I lined
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: up on this fox squirrel, I let the arrow go.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Huh in retrospect with a target that's probably two inches
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: or three inches wide, probably should have shot a little lower.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Took quite a bit of fur off the top of
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: the back of the fox squirrel and the air I
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: was stuck in the mud facing up right under the
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: tree stand. Squirrel walked away, didn't even seem to notice
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: that it would had gotten a haircut. And so I said, hey,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: I kind of got a pee anyway, I'm a little stiff.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna climb down to the base of the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: tree and grab the arrow out of the dirt. Uh.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: So I did that, climbed down the ladder, I didn't
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: bring my bow, left my bow hanging notably on the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: bow hanger on the you know, off to the left,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: and stand there, grabbed the arrow, looked at the fur
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: side a little bit, uh, took a leak, and climbed
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: back into the climb back into the stand, And as
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: I was sitting, I happened to look to my left
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: and in what appeared to be about ten seconds, watch
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: my bow fall slowly to the earth, the ft down, uh,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: into the mud, kind of take a hit in the mud,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: and roll off to the side. So I still don't
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: understand how the boat You're not like when you sat down,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: just fully bumped into it without kind of noticing, climbing
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: up the ladder um. And I think it must have
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: kind of done sort of a sway sway sway and
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: then fallen off because it I was fully seated by
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: the time it fell off the hangar. It was real
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: life slow motion. Yeah, that thing that I looked over
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: at Jordan. Jordan is now who as we mentioned, very quiet.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Jordan is now audibly laughing at me, continues to do
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: so for probably thirty to forty seconds climbed down. I'm like, oh,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: just an off chance this thing still works. Not so much.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Peep was out of line. Timing already felt off. But
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: that that ended that all day set ten thirty in
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: the morning on November five, November again, Wait what it was?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: November five, five days into the month of November. Correct,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: And while you were out slinging the arrows a fox
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: squirrels though Greg here was was chasing white tails successfully,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: I believe too. More or less so, I think it
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: was a couple of days before when you tagged out.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: I was actually sitting in the cabin on November five.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: I shut mine on November two. You want to tell seven? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: so November one, the evening of November one, UM, Paul Peterson,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: our coworker, we're hunting his property in um southwest Wisconsin,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: tagged out in a great deer another sweet deer camp
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: as a side note, Yeah, Um, so we got to
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: kind of be a part of that and it really
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: kicked off. It was the first tag we punched on
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: our white tail hunt. Um, so that kind of kicked
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: everything off. November two, Jordan and I actually went into
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: a standum that we hadn't hunted yet. It was the
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: first morning day in general, but morning that we had
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: good win for it, and um, we went and got
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: up in that spot and I said to Jordan's when
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: we climbed into the stand that it just felt like
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: one of those mornings, um, or one of those days
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: for I guess lack of a better term, that obviously
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: you're gonna spend all day in the stand and it
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: felt like one of those days that could potentially be
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: good for rattling. And I'll be full disclosure, I've had
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: to two hunts that ended successfully because of hitting horns together. Um.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Both of them are in the a M and both
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: of them felt very similar to kind of the for
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, whether it's in my mind or not. UM,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: the way they this day had set up. So I
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: kind of told Jorn, I'm like, hey, I'm gonna hit
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: the horns on the hour, every hour, trying to kill
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: him aturebuck fully where I may scare some beer away,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: but we'll see what happened. So hit at eight am, nothing,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: We had a doe come through it about eight thirty. UM,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: hit him at nine am, nothing happened. UM. And then
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I was a little late on my my ten am hit,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: so I think it was like ten eleven, ten twelve
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: or something like that. UM clanked the horns together and
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: it had to be not fifteen seconds after I got
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: done rattling, and it just sounded like there was a
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: freight train coming through the woods. And we were joking
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: about this last night when I was telling the story,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: but I wish I had this on video. I looked
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: up at Jordan's when all the commotions started, and I
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: think his exact words were, that's way too big to
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: be a squirrel. So we kinda got ready, and I
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: mean we heard him coming and UM, basically, long story short,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: a little spike cruise through right in front of us
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: and um followed by it a very mature great deer. Um.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: And they were moving so fast. I mean basically it
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: wasn't the tip goal like you know the white tailed
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: grant I had to scream at this year. It was
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: the loudest like bellow I think I've ever heard somebody
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: have to make in order to stop a deer. Yeah,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: and he uh, he put on the brakes at twenty
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: yards and the rest is kind of history. I think basically.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: The way the the way it played out is those
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: those two bucks must have been in the vicinity of
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: one another when I hit the horn together and that
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: infuriated the that bigger deer, and um, he started pushing
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: the other one and pushed him right towards us. UM.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. It was an unbelievable hunt. It
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: was one of those where everything kind of came together
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: the way you drawed up. I mean, he came in,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: his eyes were bulging out of his head, and he
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: was looking for a fight. Um. Luckily we were able
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: to get him aged after I shot. We saw him
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: tip over after I shot him, got the whole thing
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: during got some great pictures, but um, we got him
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: aged after I shot him, and the biologist said he
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: was either you know, five and a half or six
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: and a half, so definitely a mature deer. And yeah,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: it's one of those, uh, you know, those stereotypical rut
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: hunts that you won't forget. Everything just kind of plays
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: out the way it's opposed to, which, as we all know,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: rarely happens. But man, then it goes so fast. I
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: can't believe we're already in December now. You look forward
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: to it all year and then it's just like always
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: here and then next you blink exactly it's gone. Yeah,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: you got to make the best of that's good. It
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: was fun. It was a fun year. It was one
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: of those hunts too, even even not hunting, that hunt's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: going to stick with me for a long time, you know,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: some of some part of the kind of wishes that man,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: I wish I could be, you know, back home or
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: sitting in that hot seat right there too. But even
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: just being able to witness yeah, I mean not everybody
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: gets to see dear act like that, you know, that
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: quickly in that fashion, and that's that was really special
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: to be able to be able to see that and
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: the backslap and you know what happens. After that, Greg
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: called us and we all came out and you know,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: took pictures and congre adulating to each other and even uh,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: I believe what was the beer of choice that was consumed.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: We congratulated, like congratulatory ten thirty beery whatever. It was
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: an honorary line in googles. Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, that
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: was that was. That was very neat and just to
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: be in a deer camp and I guess really my
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: first Midwestern deer camp and two bucks hanging in the
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: barn and it was cool. Before we move on to
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: the next set of questions, I've got here. I wanted
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: to a quick break to thank our partners at White
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Tailed Properties and Spencer has a quick word from one
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: of their land specialists. This week with White Tailed Properties,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: we had joined by Jeff Probes, a land specialists out
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: of Missouri, and Jeff is going to be talking to
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: us about getting started filming your own hunts. Well. I
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: filmed personally, my son and I did for a long time.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: I was involved in it for over twenty years. My
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: son and I filmed together for about fifteen years, and
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: uh pretty much retired from it now. But I guess
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: The first thing is is don't skimp, skimp on your equipment.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: If you're wanting to particularly if you're wanting to try
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: to do something on a professional level, get good quality equipment.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: Obviously high definition cameras. The cameras have changed so much
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: since we were in it. I mean they've got these
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: small little handheld cameras now that take just about as
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: good at quality footage as the old big cameras we
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: used to carry. And um, you know, get good quality
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: footage and get a good mic. Don't go with an
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: onboard mic on this on the cameras that come with
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: a by shotgun mic of good quality. Spend the money,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: do it right. Use the tree arm. When you're in
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: a tree you get nice, smooth, steady pans. And when
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: you're on the ground if it's if it's feasibly, use
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: the tripod. Just keep your footage nice and steady, whether
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: you're in a tree or on the ground. But the
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: big thing is that don't skimp on equipment. By good stuff,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: and it'll show with your footage. The quality will show through.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: properties that Jeff currently has listened for, visit White Tail
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: properties dot com backslash propes. That's p r O PST.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: We also want to thank our partners at on x
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: for the support of this podcast, and I want to
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: give you quick heads up about a new feature on
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: the on x Hunt app which is pretty neat. Now,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: on top of the digital maps that you can see
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: right we've talked about in the past, you can see
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: your aerial views, you can see your topic graphic views,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: you can mark way points, you can share way points,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: you can measure distances, you can measure areas. You can
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: see the public land borders, you can see private land
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: owners and borders. On top of all of that, now
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: you can also see weather data overlaid right in that
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: same spot. So now you can see things like what
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: the temperatures, you can see what the percentage chance of precipitation,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: you can see what the wind direction, what the barre
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: metric pressure is doing, even the sunrise and sunset times.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: It's all right there, easily accessible while you're looking at
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: your map. So once again they're just making this tool
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: even more handy and usable, and it is one of
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: those things that you can easily get on your phone.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: You just gotta go search for on X. That's O
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: n X on the mobile app store of your choice,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: or you can go on over to onyx maps dot
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: com to learn more. So you've had quite the kind
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: of education on the northern Great Lakes deer hunting tradition.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: This year you did the Wisconsin camp. Now you're doing
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: the Northern Michigan camp. Totally. Yeah, because where I grew up. Um,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: I think part of why I think all of this
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: is neat, you know, looking at the wall here with
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: twenty plus buck handlers or sets and hailers. Um, you know,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: we just we didn't really have quite the deer culture
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: where I grew up in eastern Maryland. I think probably
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: partially because there probably weren't hardly any deer, you know,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: within even the lifespan of some of the old timers
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: that are still kicking around. I think in the way here,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: you know, deer just held on in the northern part
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: of the country obviously through sort of the the bad
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: old days for lack of a better word, and and
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: so we don't I don't think we really at least
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: in eastern Maryland. And I think it probably does exist
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: in the Appalachian part of Maryland. But um, we don't
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: have the quite the dear the history history to deer culture,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: dear camp culture that that you all have up here.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: So it's pretty neat to experience. Yes, so so there's
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: there's one. You did the Wisconsin camp. Ye, you did
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: the Northern Michigan camp. You had a full spread of
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: fried appetizers tonight of the rest of the feast of
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: the fryer, nothing but Friday vegetables. Anyway, it truly was
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: what's that oblong fried ship. That's pick and then that's
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: the fried sparagus, and that's the fried chicken. Yeah, that's
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: the frieder. Yeah, yeah, I thought the papers are gonna
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: be the pickles. Actually no, no. Um. So, so you've
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: done all that. You've heard the Dirty Point Buck. If
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: anyone hasn't heard that yet, you should YouTube or google
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: the Dirty Point Buck and listening not reggae music apparent line.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: I still don't understand how you thought. It's like I
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: got this strange Caribbean beat to it too. I don't
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: really understand where that's coming from. Did you see's a
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: dirty pointer? Um? Okay, So that's you're very nearing the
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: end of your Upper Great Lakes Michigan or the final
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: piece of homework. And we talked about this over dinner.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: But I want to make sure you follow up on this,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: and anyone listening who has not yet done this needs to.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Let's go over on the YouTube and watch Escanaba in
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: the Moonlight and it is truly spelled U d a
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: Escanaba and the Moonlight for for a lifetime worth of
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: one liners and great quotes. You have to go into
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: this with an open mind and a low bar. Yeah,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: but but it's your words have never been spoken. But
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: if you do that and you have a cold beer
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: and be with some buddies that want to laugh about
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: some stupid stuff, it's gold. What I think I need
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: to do is get uh, you know, a case of
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: spotted to cow if that's still kicking around Paul's hopefully
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Paul's apartment. Get get Greg and Paul involved, heat some
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: curds and watch, yeah, some past he's maybe a hot dish,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: too hot? Some wallee? Yeah, fry up some walleye. And
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: did you bring the past he's Reuben. Oh we got
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: the food covered boys exactly. Just have a little levy
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: on the sap. It sounds like a good experience. Oh
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: it is? It is just just go ahead and watch
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Esking Up in the Moonlight. We'll be all set. And
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: is that something that you can rent, by the way,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: on Netflix or where would I find this? You can
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: watch it for free on YouTube. That's available for free
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: right now. And it's got a heck of the cast.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Jeff Daniels. Jeff Daniels is the star. He's Reuben, He's
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: the buckless Hooper. You're in for a treat. We were
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: talking that we might just have to do this podcast someday.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Get like a group of guys together watch Escanaba in
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: the Moonlight and just record the podcast and just commentate
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: the whole movie as we go. That might be a
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: future episode. Well that could be like a like a
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: future like Wired to Hunt thing, like people will get
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: like people have YouTube channels with them commentating on things
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: that they watch. So you think that's like my next
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: my next big thing is just commenting on that movie
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: over and over. Would you have to stream the film
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: and then so people could watch the film as you
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: were commentating, you know, like mystery science What was the
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: mystery science here? Yeah, it would have to be like
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: a video podcast, I guess. Would you'd be able to
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: watch the film and then you'd also see me and
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: further in the corner talking about it. Yeah. Um, so
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: so we do this thing. Um, the mediator crew has
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: been doing this deal they're calling like the hot tip
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: offs where everyone's sitting around, Um, each shares like their
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: own best hunting or fishing tip and UM, so I've
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: been doing a bunch of this, So I'm gonna, um,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna step out of this one. I'm just gonna
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: put this on on you guys. Orto a podcast version
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: of the Hot Tip Off. You guys are all kind
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: of gear guys, right, you're from the clothing gear side
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: and Jordan's You could either do the clothing gear side
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: or you're also like our camera guy. Um. People are
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: always got lots of questions about photography or filming or
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: different things like that. So I kind of thought it
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: would be kind of cool idea to get a quick
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: hot tip from you guys. Um. It could be about
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: choosing the right clothing, could be out layering, it could
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: be different things to stay more comfortable in the field. Um,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: if something happens to come up you come to mind
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: in that category. Um, but if not, you're welcome to
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: throw any other kind of hot tip at us, Um,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: so that I kind of want you you three to
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: give us a hot tip. In the meantime, Josh, do
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: you have any kind of lukewarm tips? Do you want
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: to share? This is this has been a rough, a
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: rough couple of days from a man. You've just been
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: hammering on me. It's just I don't know, it's just
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: low hanging fruit. Um. Do you do you have a
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: Do you have any kind of thoughts? Um? Concluding thoughts?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: While these guys think of their hot tips, I've got
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: a couple I want to ask them two questions questions. Yeah,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: do it, but let's do it after they're hot. Yeah,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: that would delay in my hot tips. Okay, No, he
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: wants to do after your hot tips? Yeah, because you
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: guys might have answers. I don't want to distract My
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: lukewarm tip would be try to find someone else to
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: have to stoke the fire in the middle of the night.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: I've woken up the first one I had to do
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: like three or four times, and and and I said
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: it already. I want to say it again, despite all
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: the crap I gave you, tremendous camp manager, it's it's
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: tough work. That's I like. I like having your dad
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: and your uncle Steve Brown to kind of be the cample.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Usually we're out hunting and they're usually the ones hanging
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: back at camp taking care of work. If word gets
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: out though that you do as good as work as
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: you do, I will say it hasn't been too bad,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: just kind of hanging around camp. Ford and I've been
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: just kind of hanging around camp during the day because
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: he's not hunting. But it's been, um, it's been. It's
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: been a lot of fun actually, just kind of hanging
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: out at camp and it was enjoying the little joy.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: Good face to sleep. And I think that we all
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: left out to go hunting this morning and you two
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: went right back to sleep. Yeah, heard the same straight
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: shoot straight, Okay, cool. I like my sleeping bag and
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: put it out in the porch. I don't think this
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: is gonna stay out here too long. You guys walked
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: out and went out and grabbed my sleeping bang. I
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: was posted back up in the couch real quick. I
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: had to put my boots on outside and I think
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: I heard snoring before even walk too far away from
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: the cabin. You can't even talk about last night. We're
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: all like it was, you know, we killed the lights.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: We're all, we're all all five of us are crammed
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: in this little one room. We've we've got three cots
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: and then me and josh A sharing a pull out
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: couch and we all laying there. Yeah, it's not a
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: big space, not a big space. And we're laying there
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: kind of doing that kind of BS and a little
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: bit before you fall asleep type thing. And we started
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: talking about some props related things, and and Ford it
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, I bet you we could get
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: you something like that. And then Greg's like, oh, I
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: don't know. You're you're you're cashing, you're writing checks he
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: might not be able to cash. And then we start
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: talking about this new product that Greg should be designing.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: And then he's like, yeah, you know, I've already thinking
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: through him fifty of the way through. Literally no joke.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like he was kidding. He literally started snoring
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: seconds after saying that. And then we're we all. I mean,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't think it could have been real. Yeah, he
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: is sleeping like that. Are you what is it narcolepsy? Yeah?
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: Is that a real thing for you? It's a gift,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: you know that I get horizontal and yeah, that's about it.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Just be able to fall asleep like Greg can. That's true.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: And we were not being quiet laughing to figure out
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: that he was sleeping. Yeah, yeah, that but that I
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: think that might lead to my hot tip in in
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: uh Northern Michigan deer camp. His I would say, pull
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: the batteries out of the obnoxious clock before you cut
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: the propane lights. Oh man. Yeah, So first night we
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: all get here and belly laughing probably continued for thirty
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: minutes or what have you, and we're drifting off to sleep,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: and and really I had not noticed it until the
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: talking ended. You know, there's this woodstuffs kind of clinking
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: and popping. But behind me is this clock is just
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: hammering it and I feel like my eyes are kind
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: of pulsing with the thing. And I'm like, man, I
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: just I really just met Josh and Mark person. I
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: don't want to be that passive, aggressive camp goer that
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: pulls the clock off the wall and mashes it that
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. I can fall asleep with this thing.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'm gonna talk to him tomorrow
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: about it so I can get to sleep. Was anybody
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: else thinking, oh yeah, I was. I think we were
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: all thinking like, man, that is loud. I wonder something
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: going to say clocks, I'm laying in bed things. I
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: was already sleeping, so but I was like, oh, wow,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: that is so loud. That's never been that clock has
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: never it's always been here. It just never is on.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever never worked all the years,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: and I can remember things got some natural reverb to it. Wow, yeah,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: it really does. It reminded me. And I don't know
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: why this reminds me because I've read this like twenty
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: years ago, but that Edgar Allan Poe poem. I think
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: it was that we were trying to remember. I feel
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: like there's something to do with this, like loud, yeah,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: something like that. This clock that just keeps making this
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: noise and drives a got nuts or something like that. Um,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: And that's what it was reminding me of. So in
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: my head was like, Wow, I'm not gonna be false
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: sleep with that. So I sat there and then I'm
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: like do I want to get up? Like what if
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: they're are sleeping? And then I'm gonna be like making
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: all this noise and then finally I realized, you know what,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: if anyone's gonna do it, it's probably has to be me, Like,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: this is my camp, I probably So I stormed out
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: of my bed and went went over there and ripped
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: the battery out. And then as I heard you coming,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, he's going. He's got Everything's cool.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to false sleep. Fine. I'm surprised
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: you just didn't like nudge me like, hey, that it hurts.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Can you take care of that? Oh? It made a
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: big difference. So that's my hot tips. Pull the batteries
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: out of the clock before you cut the lights. Good. Good,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: especially when with new people. Yes, so I guess it's
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: directed to you. Actually, well no, it's can't manage camp manager.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: I speak to the camp executive though, so take my
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: marching orders from alto responsibilities in there. Yeah I get that. Uh, Greg,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: do you have a hot tip? My hot tip is
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: to record directly related to kind of the situation where
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: now late season white tails perfect. So if you um fight,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure most of us do, cold feet, my
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: hot tip relates to that. What you need to do
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: is you go basically purchase yourself the heaviest felt and
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: or durable wool ish fabric. You can find UM and
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: cut yourself out a piece of it that the shape
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: resembles UM the shape of your platform, and throw that
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: down in your tree stand. Is a barrier between your
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: metal tree stand and your boots. UM, and it will
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: significantly reduce the amount of heat that you lose through
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: your boots into your stand. Keep your feet a whole
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: bunch warmer. So if you can't find super thick felt,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: by the cheap thin stuff double triple layer it UM.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: If you know something, it's got a sewing machine that
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: can sew it together for you even better. But UM,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: any type of felt or even I've even used in
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: the past, UM some of the rigid foam insulation pieces,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: but any you can get between your boots and your
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: metal tree stand. UM as an insulation berrier will significantly
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: keep your feet warmer. It's a very hot tip. Can
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: I add a Can I add a plus to that?
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Since we're going off this like white Tail Mule deer Kick. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: It's spent a fair amount of time this year in
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: the you know what we often refer to the late
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: season second out half of October, which where we are
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: in the mounds, Idaho, you know, could be fully winter
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: in terms of weather. So doing a lot of sitting,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: still a lot of glassing. Um, and I go back
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: and forth on insulated boots. Actually, my feet sweat real bad,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: so I kind of try not to run insulated boots,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: but when it's twenty degrees and windy, you kind of
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: want the insulated boots and what have you. To Greg's point,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: another nifty trick, A lot of people obviously cut the
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: close cell foam or cut what app you know, a
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: pad of some description for your butt when you're hunting
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: in the mountains, cut a second one for your feet,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: and once again you're you're getting your feet off the ground,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: you're cutting off. That's sort of just the flow of cold,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: it feels like, from the ground to the rubber your boots. Um.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of a nice halfway point
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: between having a big, heavy insulated boot and running a
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: light and maybe not quite as a warm boot. Do
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: you steal my hot tip? Yeah, you know, I like
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: to think of it as an addendum West East, Yeah, combo,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: this is I don't know why I thought of this,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: but related to installation and sleeping bags. I've always heard, right,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard that some people say it's
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: better when you're sleeping and sleeping bag and it's cold, thought,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: it's better not to wear a bunch of extra layers
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: relative layers. Yeah, do either one of you guys know
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: anything about like what the right or the best way
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: to stay warm and a sleeping bag is. Should you
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: wear a bunch of layers or do you want to
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: reduce layers it's just wear basse layers or I don't
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: know if there's anywhere within the realm of any of
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: you actually have the science on it. Before I offer
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: my on in scientific two cents, and I think you
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: should go first. Oh good, put myself out there. I
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: have never really been man enough to try the naked stuffer.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: When you say naked stuffer, what do we sell the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: idea there being? The idea there being that you shouldn't,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: to your point, be wearing a bunch of clothes. You
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: should have all those clothes in the bag with you,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: killing the dead space, but you don't necessarily want to
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: have them on you, is the theory. I have never
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: really manned up and tried that. More than you know,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: in a significant way. I just always feel like I'm
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: plenty warm when I've got extra layers on in my
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: sleeping bag, and I don't feel a need to try
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: the alternative, but haven't given it probably, like I said,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: more than three nights of of a chance to prove itself.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: I usually wear a bunch of layers, like if it's
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: really cool thought and I'm as sleep back, I layer up. Yeah, totally,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: but I've I've never tested the theory too, and I've
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: wondered I will I try to. I don't like having
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of buckles or zippers or you know, uh
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: gramas or you know, kind of anything like that on
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: my clothes. I'm usually in sort of sawt you know,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: wool layers or what have you, but I do generally
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: keep layers on. I have started actually with our Chamberlain
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: puffy or eight hundred pill Puffy. Last year came out
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: with sort of what we call this, you know, super
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: down jacket for lack of a better word, mountaineering grade
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: puppy jacket eight hundred filled down, very very warm. I've
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: actually started taking that and when I'm not using it
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: as a pillow, if I do get super cold, I'll
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: wrap that on top of my sleeping bag, almost like
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: an additional blanket. Um, and that seems to help, you know,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure maybe there are other ways that might be
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: better to do that, but I've definitely done that. It
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: seems to be it seems to be a little warmer. Yeah.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, now tell me I'm wrong, right, No, I won't.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: I was gonna fully admit I'm not the authority on
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: this either because I am. I'm a crazy hot sleep
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: bur I just have never really had issues with staying
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: warm when I sleep. Um, So for me, even when
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: it gets really cold, I'm not I can't say that
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: it's the most efficient, but I'll keep a couple of
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: layers on and I'm typically fine. Yeah. So I think
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: the word I wonder if if similar to when you're
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: exerting your like you don't want to become too terribly sweaty.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: You want something quick moisture way when you're hunting or
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: hike or anything. You know, is the same issue present
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: when you're sleeping a sleeping bag, like you don't want
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: to overheat for it? Yeah, I would, I would say
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, so I avoid that, but it's hard.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I think you should keep wearing layers, especially when
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: we're sharing a pull up. Come keep up with the
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: layers at least for one more night tonight. Yeah, you
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: might want to try it today. It might be good
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: to the to the stuffing point though. One one thing
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: that I definitely recommend, which has been a game changer
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: for me, is make sure whatever clothes you're gonna put
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: on in the morning, you stuff in your bag with you,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: because then not only they're taking to that dead space,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: but they're nice and warm when you throw them on.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's nice. You kind of pull them on in
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: the bag already got out of the bag. And another
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: addendum to that, I would say, I sleep in sort
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: of my core layers, and I don't take those off
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: in the morning, you know. So if I'm wearing long
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: John's into my sleeping bag, I'm gonna get out and
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: put stuff on top of them. I'm really gonna try
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: and avoid taking off any next to skin layers or
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: even mid layers often because you're just that heat just yeah,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: gone at twenty degrees or whatever when you get out
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: of your bag. Another bag stuffing thought, um uh, we're
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: gonna just not make any more jokes. Um, if you
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: happen to like step in a puddle or in a
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: creek or something, your socks get soaked. Back in the day,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: I used to think, Oh, the thing to do is
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: hang your socks up. That's not the thing to do.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: The thing to do is take your wet socks, throw
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: them in the bottom in your bag, or if you're
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: a real man, I suppose is you put them on
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: your torso that's the inside dry them the quickest. If
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: you put them like on your leg or in between
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: your long long john and you're like in between your legs, yeah,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: I think actually I mean to to to be not
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: to be in appropriate about it, but I think probably
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: inside of your leg is the warmest spot in terms
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: of or you know, and you're the crotches of your
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: armpits um, I think are sort of the warmest areas
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: that will dry that gear the quickest. It won't be
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: super pleasant to stuff a wet sock into your arm
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: bit or into your long right on, but I've definitely
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: done it before and it it certainly works better than
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: hanging a wet sock and thirty two degree weather in
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: your tent. Yeah, that doesn't not not too effective. Okay,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: so enough of stuffing things. Yeah, the whole stuffing thoughts there, Jordan,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Do you want to wrap us up with your hot tip? Yeah,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: minus one kind of a new piece of gear this
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: year that has allowed me to do a few new things.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: But if you're a photographer or even someone who's taking
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: like a new hunter out, just to give you a
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: little bit more flexibility, especially on the photo side of things,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: is try saddle. That's one thing that I've done this year,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: almost exclusively for photo hunts. That definitely changes the game
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: as far as flexibility, either in the same tree or
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: you know, a different tree, trying to get different different
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: vantage points. But it um it allows you to be
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: a little bit more creative and sneak around a little
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: bit versus just standing or sitting in a tree stand
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: kind of being a little bit more stationary. Yeah. You
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: you definitely you're swinging around doing all those acrobatics in
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: the tree to get different angles of their cameras carefully, carefully. Yes,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: you never screw things up. And it seems to be
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: a sort of a trend or a I think maybe
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: the correct term would be a retrend almost perhaps the
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: picking up momentum lately. Definitely I'm right there with you. Yeah,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: you've started recently on the saddle front. And this year
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: another another of our first light team guys, Taylor Chamberlain,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: who Jordan and I did sort of a suburban hunting
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: short film on um hunts upboards of a hundred fifty
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: days a year in a tree saddle. I think that
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: was sort of a big wake up to Jordan and
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: I in terms of the potential efficacy of of the
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: saddle haunts. Yeah, it's a lot easier to go hiking
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: and wearing what you're gonna be in versus carrying fifteen
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: pounds in your back extra. I mean it saved us
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: probably ten minutes tonight. Yes, save us time, save us. Wait,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: we had a decent hike in there tonight, hanging hunting,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: and it was really nice that neither one of us
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: head to carry stamp. So I'm right there with you. Um,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: what's the bald eagle? Sound like you got the rhythm?
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: I've got the caidens down. It's a pitch thing. It's
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: more of a whistle though, when you feel like probably yeah, yeah,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: h From my advantage point, you're at there one in
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: the cabin. Yeah, I went out inside for a second
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: I heard I heard one out there. They are cool,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: the same one. They're very cool. Yeah, we saw last
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: night and tonight or this morning tonight, I can't remember
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: America America. Um, alright, Well, any concluding thoughts real quick
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: or any final things we want to add anything we
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: didn't hit that needs to be touched on real fast?
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: My two cold cushions. All right, you guys can see
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: what I'm wearing is an under garments, right, what's the difference?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: What is it? What are the advantage of like a
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: marino wool over like a synthetic and and you were
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: working like a synthetic and like pretty well kind of
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: hype more compression type two compression type Greg, can you
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: answer the question? But my short answers stank spelled s
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: t A and ka um. There's so there's definitely advantage
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: that both. Um. A synthetic is its pros are that
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: it's going to dry faster. So typically, you know, when
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: we're trying to get guys out guys or gals excuse
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: me outfitted for a hunt. Um, it's largely based off
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: of the environment that they're going to be in, and
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: synthetics will consistently dry quicker than marinos, and inherently that's
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: their benefit. However, what we've found is that what we
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: know to be true UM is that with a marino
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: wool based layer, it's going to regulate your your body
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  Speaker 1: temperature better, both on both ends of the extremes. So
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  Speaker 1: when it's really hot out that marinos actually keeping you
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  Speaker 1: cold or keeping you cooler, and what's really cold out,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually keeping you warmer. And that's a hard kind
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  Speaker 1: of concept to wrap your brain around until you think
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  Speaker 1: about where that wool comes from. That wool comes from
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  Speaker 1: sheep that live at really high elevations that in the
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  Speaker 1: summer it's really really hot and in the winter it's
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  Speaker 1: really really cold. So that's one of the major advantages
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  Speaker 1: of it. UM. The second major advantage of marino wool
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  Speaker 1: over a synthetic to forward point is going to be
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  Speaker 1: stink naturally with no additives, no treatments, UM, nothing additional
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  Speaker 1: done to the fiber. It resists odor at the bacteria level,
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  Speaker 1: so it doesn't allow bacteria to grow on it. And
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  Speaker 1: there for three five seven days in your hunt, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be able to stand, you know, share sleep bag
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  Speaker 1: with yourself for you know, being in tent with a
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  Speaker 1: buddy or whatever it might be, UM, or even just
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  Speaker 1: you know, be comfortable with your overall hygiene. So that's
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  Speaker 1: a big benefit of as well. And I would add
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  Speaker 1: to that because as Greg mentioned, it's not a treatment.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't wash out. A marino garment is not going
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  Speaker 1: to stink years later also, whereas a synthetic is going
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  Speaker 1: to start to get stink your and stink near to
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  Speaker 1: the point where it's pretty close to permanently stinking. I've
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  Speaker 1: got one. I've got a couple that I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I always need to bring because I do feel like
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  Speaker 1: they start to build up a stink quicker. But I've
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  Speaker 1: got one like I can't even wear any or because
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: exactly and I have three or four of us, and
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: I just the bass layers of something that I haven't
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: invested much time or money into. UM. But I'm starting
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  Speaker 1: to realize I think I need to make some changes
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  Speaker 1: because I'm wearing stuff that I you know, that I
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  Speaker 1: was I would wear growing up in sports and stuff
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  Speaker 1: because that's what you wore as a base UM. But
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  Speaker 1: I think it's I think I need to You guys
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  Speaker 1: know that Josh was an Athlete of the Year in
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  Speaker 1: high school. In what capacity across the whole high school.
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  Speaker 1: He was the athlete of the year. That's impressive. Yeah,
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: especially was that was that before or after he hit
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: the car with an arrow? That's a great question. Similar
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: time at the same time from you kind of peaked
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  Speaker 1: in one capacity and bottom down and that was badminton,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: kayaking and table ten us. Yeah. Well you told your
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  Speaker 1: dad that last week and he was what he say, wow,
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  Speaker 1: of judging by you now I'm whereever, thanks Dave. Oh no, no, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So that was that was number one? Thank you? Wait
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  Speaker 1: what sports did you play? Leaving hanging? It wasn't badman
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  Speaker 1: baseball and basketball in all seriousness, like we we for
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason, we've turned that into a thing we mock
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  Speaker 1: you about. But yeah, you're super good at sports. Thanks,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: just another reason to make fun of me. Play college baseball, yeah, squash,
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  Speaker 1: further hilliard and then number two. I asked Mark this
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  Speaker 1: last week, and I don't think he gave me a
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: very good answer. First light, is there is there a
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  Speaker 1: meaning behind the name and what's the significance I told
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: you of the logo because that's something I was like,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: I asked about what I don't know, is there a
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  Speaker 1: significance about it, or like I thought, it was like
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  Speaker 1: the sun coming behind a mountain. Yeah, you got it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean first Light is kind of when things happen
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  Speaker 1: and in a big game, hunting, you know, world. And
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  Speaker 1: the symbol is, uh, you know, the sun coming over
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  Speaker 1: the mountains ostensibly of central Idaho where we're where we're based.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an X and a D yes the sun
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  Speaker 1: peeking over a mountain. We got a lot of that
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  Speaker 1: through the years, for sure, that X D brand. It's
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: pretty cool, just like the pistol. Yeah, yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's all. That'sn't my two computers good stuff. Well,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: thank you guys for coming. I had a lot of
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: fun meeting you guys. Yeah, thanks for managing absolutely anytime
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  Speaker 1: you hope to have you guys. Speaking from Mark, I
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  Speaker 1: love to have you guys back. I like to have
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: you here to the Canyon camp whenever you like. No,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the sentiment is felt from the First Light
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  Speaker 1: side of things too. We appreciate you guys hosting us
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  Speaker 1: and obviously uh this has been productive on a number
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: of levels, both product development and just hanging out and
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: having a great time and sharing camp with a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of great guys. So we appreciate you hosting us and
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  Speaker 1: have us up here. If I do anything in soon, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a good time. Anything anything else from real forton. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's cool as hell, It's really cool. It's special. It's
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: it's just special to be kind of a small part
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: of this tradition. Jordan. Yeah, deer Camp is a special place.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's awesome. I think that's a good way to
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: a good way to end it. And I agree, Deer
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: Camp is awesome. Deer Camp as cool as hell. And uh,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: from my perspective, this is a place that I've come
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  Speaker 1: to you my whole life since I can remember. Um,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: but it has been so cool, or a couple more
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: recent years to get to share it with a few
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: more people and get to see other people experienced this
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: place and come to appreciate the same things I've come
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: to appreciate you now. First bringing Josh into the fold,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: and that's been really cool. Now getting to, you know,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: bring a few other people out here that that has,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: you know, just enriched the history here even more, and
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: uh brought me a lot of joy and and uh,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: you know, just there's nothing like it all of a
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: sudden here chatting our our neighbor body stopping by last
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  Speaker 1: night telling funny stories. I mean, you can't. You can't
• 2:01:06
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• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: With that, want to wrap it up, and before we
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• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: will shut this down. Thank you all for listening, Thanks
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: for being here with us. I hope you've got some
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: great hunts still planned. I hope you're still getting out
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: into the true you're the blind. May snow storms and
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: cold temperatures be heading your way, so that's nice. Mature
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