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Is IronHeart A Classic Or A Catastrophe?!?! (First Three Episode Review!) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: Yes, I did find his existence annoying. And the amount
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  Speaker 1: of time we spent with that white woman's dog pooping
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  Speaker 1: on his lawn was like, Okay, you know.
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  Speaker 2: We just committed.
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  Speaker 1: We spent too much time. We just spent too much
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  Speaker 1: time with him.
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  Speaker 3: And I could have been talking about revolution in that minute. No,
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  Speaker 3: and what's up y'all? Welcome to another.
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  Speaker 2: Episode of the four All Nerds Show.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, it's Joel for all, their social media manager
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  Speaker 3: all right, wow, all right. And we are also with
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  Speaker 3: a very special guest tonight, Jay of T with Queen
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  Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, it's Genesia aka J from TV with Queen
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  Speaker 1: of them they them niggas. Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 3: on YouTube. If you are peeping this, you know our
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  Speaker 3: beautiful melanated faces right here, Please do so, because we
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  Speaker 3: are here to talk about a very mellenated show and
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  Speaker 3: something a lot of us have been waiting a long
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  Speaker 3: time for and wondering why Marvel was not doing their
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  Speaker 3: damn just to promote it. Iron Hart is finally out.
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  Speaker 3: If you have not seen the first three episodes, I
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  Speaker 3: highly encourage you to pause this episode right here go
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  Speaker 3: watch them, because we're gonna be talking about everything. It's
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  Speaker 3: be pure spoilers from here on out, so please make
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  Speaker 3: sure you've seen all three episodes that are now out
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  Speaker 3: on Disney Plus before we go any further. So, first off, Jay,
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  Speaker 3: what did you think of it?
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  Speaker 2: You know overall?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, let's just get it, let's get it started.
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  Speaker 1: All right, okay, all right, all right, all right. So
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  Speaker 1: I came into it with a chip on my shoulder
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  Speaker 1: because it hasn't been enough add attention, it hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: enough marketing. Okay, we was all hyped for this, after
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  Speaker 1: Wakonda forever. We was hyped. I was excited, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I came in with a chip off on my shoulder,
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  Speaker 1: ready to fucking like love it, ready to rant and
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  Speaker 1: rave about it, ready to promote it. And I watched
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  Speaker 1: it and it was a lot of good stuff in there,
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  Speaker 1: and then there was a lot of stuff in there
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  Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, okay, you know that that
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  Speaker 1: It was like, okay, Like, I don't know. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of different reasons why it was not
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  Speaker 1: marketed and promoted in the way that we have seen
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  Speaker 1: other Marvel properties and shows promoted in the past. So
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  Speaker 1: there's that. I'm sure there's a little bit of that
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  Speaker 1: racism mixed up in there.
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  Speaker 2: That's a given.
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  Speaker 1: Also, it might be some other stuff. It might be
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  Speaker 1: some other some other you know, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. It might be some other stuff in there.
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  Speaker 1: It might be some other stuf up in there other
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  Speaker 1: than racism, other than racism, other than sexism, other than well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what. That's a sleeper pill, so I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know Ilved, you know, both heavily involved.
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  Speaker 1: That's the other thing that makes this tricky. While I'm
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  Speaker 1: like you started off with me, I didn't even get
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  Speaker 1: to think about what my public facing response was going to.
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  Speaker 2: Be to I mean, well, okay, well let's let's do
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  Speaker 2: it easy way.
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  Speaker 3: What were some of the things that you enjoyed about it?
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  Speaker 2: You always like to know that first.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't and I didn't hate it, And
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  Speaker 1: I also want to say, I also want to say,
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  Speaker 1: as a black girl, as a gender queer black girl, right,
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  Speaker 1: black girl, being my connection, very much connection to this show,
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  Speaker 1: I am being amongst us, right amongst us as people
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  Speaker 1: of color.
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  Speaker 4: Here, I am being.
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  Speaker 1: Celebratory of the show. But I feel so like I
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  Speaker 1: was looking forward to it so much and feeling very
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  Speaker 1: protective of it, and also, because of my connection to
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  Speaker 1: it as a black girl, feeling perhaps more critical of
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  Speaker 1: this show than I would be of other shows. And
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  Speaker 1: so I want to be transparent about that. And so
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  Speaker 1: I looked at this close in a way that lots
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  Speaker 1: of other properties I wouldn't look that close. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is fun, that's fun, this is fun. That's fun.
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  Speaker 1: But this I was really kind of looking at every
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  Speaker 1: single thing. But anyway, shit that I loved three episodes.
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  Speaker 1: I love the relationship between re Read and Natalie. I
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  Speaker 1: love like that that it's clear that she had such
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  Speaker 1: a wonderful friendship with Natalie. I love all of those
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  Speaker 1: like black girl moments. I love their kind of back
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  Speaker 1: and forth, all of the dynamics between Reread and Natalie.
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  Speaker 1: I love seeing a black girl ai. I love that
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  Speaker 1: dynamic very much. I thought that was really cool obviously.
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  Speaker 1: I love every time that we Read is in the suit.
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  Speaker 1: I love that she's smart. I love that she's swaggy.
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  Speaker 1: I love that we're seeing Cree summer and not just
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  Speaker 1: hearing her voice and a thing. I love that we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing her more lately. I love that she's in this.
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  Speaker 1: I love that she obviously did brought her own clothes okay,
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  Speaker 1: and did her own wardrobe.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like she does that everything. Yeah, because you
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  Speaker 3: did that, she did that on Blackish. I feel yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they don't.
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  Speaker 1: They don't. They don't make hats of that quality for costume. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: those are her personal hats from her personal home. Yeah, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those are her hats for her when I saw her
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  Speaker 1: wardrobe in this show, I was like, Okay, these are
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  Speaker 1: her personal clothes. Okay, they don't. They don't come this
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  Speaker 1: fly in costume. They just not not for this show.
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  Speaker 1: They just wouldn't. So I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I loved.
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  Speaker 1: What else did I love? I love that it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a lot of white folks in this show.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I love the possibility And I don't know that we
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  Speaker 1: fully got this, but I love the possibility of conflicts
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  Speaker 1: that are like that live and exist in the gray.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't want to, you know, start getting into
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  Speaker 1: like you know what I didn't like or whatever. But
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  Speaker 1: I loved that there seemed to be this positioning of
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  Speaker 1: a dilemma that was greater than like what is actually
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  Speaker 1: good versus evil, Like like sometimes you need to steal
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  Speaker 1: from a corporation that's gentrifying your community, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like, So I liked I liked the premise,
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  Speaker 1: the setup of that, and I was very obsessed with
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  Speaker 1: clown that was that was her name, the pyrotechnics person.
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  Speaker 1: She's my favorite character in the Whole Shower. Why I
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  Speaker 1: think she the actor she was great at that. It
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  Speaker 1: felt natural, she felt like a real black girl that
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  Speaker 1: I would meet somewhere, and it didn't feel like it
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel like, hey, you're black, I'm black, we're black
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  Speaker 1: acting black in a show where you know, I've seen
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  Speaker 1: that before. I've seen that before. And she felt like
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  Speaker 1: somebody I could really meet somewhere, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: She felt like the stuff that she was saying because
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  Speaker 1: some of it, Yes, this show is very black, but
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  Speaker 1: there were moments where I could hear the script where
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  Speaker 1: I could feel somebody putting in something that sounds black
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  Speaker 1: that we would connect with or whatever. There were like
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  Speaker 1: some moments where I could feel it, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: they were kind of they were a little bit cringe,
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  Speaker 1: but like okay, And with her, a lot of her
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  Speaker 1: she came so natural. I don't know if if it
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  Speaker 1: was just her acting, I don't know, but she felt
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  Speaker 1: like a real person that I would know, like she
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  Speaker 1: was fantastic.
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  Speaker 4: So I really enjoyed.
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed her character, and I really enjoyed her code.
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  Speaker 1: She seemed to have an ethical code that I could
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  Speaker 1: feel in touch or whatever. But I'm trying to think
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  Speaker 1: of that that might be later in the that might
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  Speaker 1: be passed episode three when that shows up.
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  Speaker 3: It might be because in this part she says she's
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  Speaker 3: going to open the school and use it to the
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  Speaker 3: front for ball making.
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  Speaker 1: No, well we'll get to that. We'll get to that,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to that ship. But yeah, her code is
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  Speaker 1: revealed later. I think, yeah, all of their all of
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  Speaker 1: their whatever. What everybody said they was going to do
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  Speaker 1: with their money was a joke. But we'll get to
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  Speaker 1: that later.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she comes off as a black Harley Quinn in
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  Speaker 3: terms of, like, at least the terms of level of sanity.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, you know, I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get that. I heard you say that before,
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  Speaker 1: and I.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't feel right enamored with blowing things up?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, what else is wrong with her?
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  Speaker 2: Though?
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  Speaker 1: All right, we all have friends who have one thing
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  Speaker 1: about them that's a little bit weird. So she likes
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  Speaker 1: blowing stuff up.
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  Speaker 2: But like I used to, you know, enjoy dating women
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  Speaker 2: like you know?
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  Speaker 3: Of her, I would say, and you know you grow.
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  Speaker 5: Up and you you know you Yeah, the only thing
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  Speaker 5: about her bad I'm not gonna let you do this
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  Speaker 5: is that she uses her ability to set fires for
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  Speaker 5: bad things.
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  Speaker 1: Everything else about her was level.
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  Speaker 2: It's very rare. It was all it was all doing.
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  Speaker 1: There are people who set fires for a living. There
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  Speaker 1: are people who work in movies. There are people who
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  Speaker 1: do all types of strug who set fires on purpose.
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  Speaker 1: There are people who blow up structures to build new structures.
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  Speaker 2: So she could do this as a job.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: We just got tapped.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she just got tapped by somebody to do this.
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  Speaker 1: Outside of her blowing up shit, I really there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: else about her personality that seemed off. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what this says about me because I'm ready to
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  Speaker 1: go to coffee, Like, where do we kick it? It's
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  Speaker 1: being her We're right or die? Okay, I'm a job.
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  Speaker 1: That's my homegirl. Why are you kidding me? We get
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  Speaker 1: lunch together, we talk about our personal business at work anyway,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, we.
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  Speaker 3: Have completely different reactions to this. Yeah, back in the day,
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  Speaker 3: it would have been yes.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's I think that you you need to We'll
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  Speaker 1: get back to her because I need you to show
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  Speaker 1: me more evidence. That's something.
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  Speaker 2: Emphasize that.
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  Speaker 4: Ye good time, Like I go to bunch with her? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: at the day parties.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there we go day parties.
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  Speaker 3: Right, you write see smart intelligence and then you know
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  Speaker 3: we we do our separate ways at night.
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  Speaker 1: Well because she just got work to do to burn,
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  Speaker 1: you know, right, But nothing else is roll okay, yes, okay.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: What I liked about her one thing I really liked
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  Speaker 4: and like, I feel like you get more into it
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  Speaker 4: in the second three episodes. But I like that we're
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  Speaker 4: bringing back more magic into the MCU. Like I like
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  Speaker 4: magic stuff, and I've never I've always kind of felt
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  Speaker 4: that like Marvel wasn't really great at doing magic for me,
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  Speaker 4: especially like reading the comics, but lately with like Agatha
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  Speaker 4: and now this, like it's exciting to see how they're
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  Speaker 4: making magic like more interesting. But again you'll see that
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  Speaker 4: more later. But I also really like I like the
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  Speaker 4: characterization of Reread, and I think for me it's because
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  Speaker 4: I've read her comics, like the Vendis comics and eviewings,
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  Speaker 4: and I feel like I just get a lot of
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  Speaker 4: like the essence of who she is, especially in like
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  Speaker 4: eviewings run of her like currently like he's not she
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  Speaker 4: she doesn't like people like and you see that in
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  Speaker 4: the commics, Like she's not she cares about like the
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  Speaker 4: people she fucks with, but like she's about like She's
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  Speaker 4: very goal oriented and she like you know, she loves
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  Speaker 4: her science, and I like that we get that kind
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  Speaker 4: of version of her in the MCU, Like, okay, like
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  Speaker 4: she she has her friends, but like she she's not
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  Speaker 4: out to make friends with everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I'd liked.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really glad to see Shaikula and in this role.
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  Speaker 4: I'm been a big fan of Chasin'ce drag Race, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, I like it and love it that we
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  Speaker 4: have again the little sprinkling of the LGBTQ, and there
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  Speaker 4: there were some subtle things that I really appreciated, like
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  Speaker 4: the fact that they just said their pronouns and it
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  Speaker 4: was us. But again, like with all Marvel things, it's
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  Speaker 4: like you know it's there, but it's not gonna go
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  Speaker 4: really into it. And yeah, I do think the other
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  Speaker 4: thing that I really love about this show is its
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  Speaker 4: exploration of grief, and like I think it's really cool
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  Speaker 4: too of how like we saw reread in Waconda Forever,
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  Speaker 4: which is another like good like expression of like how
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  Speaker 4: people grieve, and so this feels like a like a
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  Speaker 4: like a cousin of Waconda Forever, and the way that
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  Speaker 4: it talks about okay, like this is how well you
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  Speaker 4: know one person experienced grief, but this is how a
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  Speaker 4: different person experiences grief. And I'll talk more about that later,
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, I enjoyed seeing that. It's just like another
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  Speaker 4: way of like, you know, this is how people react
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  Speaker 4: when they lose someone.
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  Speaker 3: That was one of my favorite parts of it was
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  Speaker 3: desperation of grief.
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  Speaker 2: I thought.
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  Speaker 3: One of my favorite lines from the show, or moments
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  Speaker 3: even was when re Read's mother confronts Reread about Natalie,
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  Speaker 3: when you know, finding out that she has this thing Natalie,
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  Speaker 3: and she's like, when you can tell me about first?
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  Speaker 3: I just loved that she said, when you can tell
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  Speaker 3: me about your little friend, and you think that she's
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  Speaker 3: talking about Xavier. Of course I Reread definitely think she's
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  Speaker 3: talked about Xavier. We know that she's talking about Natalie.
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  Speaker 3: But I just loved that moment. And then immediately her
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  Speaker 3: mother's reaction is can you make one of Gary? And
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  Speaker 3: that just broke my heart. And it's this whole thing
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  Speaker 3: that has sent me on where I had to think
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  Speaker 3: about it, like would I want an AI version of
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  Speaker 3: someone that has passed away in my life? And I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, it's really that's that's a very ill philosophical question,
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  Speaker 3: I think, and I think the show, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: like we all know it's Marvel, So they're not gonna
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  Speaker 3: go too deep on these things, you know, for anything,
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  Speaker 3: like they'n I could go too deep on race, and
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: I could go too deep on gender.
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  Speaker 2: They're not to go too deep on death.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they've already done that, you know, with Waconda Forever,
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  Speaker 3: like you said. But I just thought that was a
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  Speaker 3: very interesting question to ask, and just even if they
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  Speaker 3: just touch on it throughout the series, I think it's
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  Speaker 3: very dope, Like even the idea of re Re wanting
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  Speaker 3: to shut down her Natalie, and you know, Natalie of
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  Speaker 3: course resisting it, but it's just more so because this
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  Speaker 3: is like not just an AI, but just to someone,
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  Speaker 3: an AI that represents.
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  Speaker 2: Someone that you knew and loved. So I really loved
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  Speaker 2: that part about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was dope. The answer for me is yes,
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  Speaker 1: I would like an AI of my sister and my
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  Speaker 1: grandma and my other grandma. Yes it sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: bad Yeah, I vote, and it's a bad idea. The
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  Speaker 1: answer for me is yes, we're doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still not sure, Like you know, my mom, my dad,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. You know, I have friends, you know,
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  Speaker 3: my boy Kenny Dallas combat. I would definitely like a
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  Speaker 3: Dallas or combat AI just for the world. I think
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  Speaker 3: the world needs that, you know. Like but then it's like, man,
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  Speaker 3: that guess crowded, right, you know, you know it's like
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  Speaker 3: faml like you know that.
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  Speaker 2: Happened for a reason. You know the world would be crowded, bro, Like,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: you know what's tricky for me? You never have peace?
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  Speaker 1: Dog like, well, I don't know, because she put Natalie
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  Speaker 1: in the computer when she felt like it.
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  Speaker 2: You would have to That's what I'm saying. You'd have
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  Speaker 2: to put Yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Trick, you have to write you And then it seemed
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  Speaker 1: like there were times when Natalie was feeling kind of sentient,
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  Speaker 1: like kind of like you know, like what is she
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  Speaker 1: a slave?
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  Speaker 3: Is that that that's desally?
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  Speaker 2: Is Natalie sentient? Right? Right? Right? Right? Like what is sentience?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: You know, like these are all questions that you know,
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  Speaker 3: the show's not asking, but then it is asking.
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  Speaker 2: It's like I don't know, you know, like she has.
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  Speaker 7: Memories, she seems to have emotion, yeah, but a lot
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  Speaker 7: of it seemed to come from reread so like yep,
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  Speaker 7: like I put this quote because I remember I recently
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: watched Waconda Forever because I knew Ironhart was coming out.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, let me.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Like and there's that part where Queen Raymonde's asking me sure,
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: like what construct does your mind make to like or
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: like or does it offer you pain? And I was like,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Ruby made a construct of her mom, like Natalie is
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: AI that came from like her memories and basically like
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: her her image and idea of Natalie. And I think,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: like for me, my answer is like I do think
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: in a way it could be helpful, Like recently, like
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: you know this mend, but my grandma passed, and I think,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: like the biggest party, thank you, The biggest thing I've
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: been feeling with like my grief is like not being
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: able to like tell her things, And so like I
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: do think like it could be like a cathartic experience
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: to be able to like tell this AI of like
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: my lost loved one of like these are the things
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: that I wanted to tell you, even though, like you know,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: they might not be that person, there's still that like
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: you know that the action and going through the motion
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: of being able to just talk to your loved one
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: and say the things that you always wanted to say.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: And then like the the thing with Natalie was because
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: you know she's from she's from re Re, it's going
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: to respond to re read how like she Snewy would respond.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: And so I don't know whether that's good or bad,
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: because you know, maybe the response isn't exactly what would happen.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: But I think just being able to have that experience
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: might provide like some closure, especially for they think they
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: said in the show, like we never got a chance
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: to say goodbye to them, Like she didn't really have that.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, we saw what happened in their death, like
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: there was no chance to like have a conversation with them.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: It just all happened so fast.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, most people don't thought. And that's something And
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: this is something I've been thinking about a lot lately.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Right Bounty Killer, the Danta Artists, the Legend has a
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: great One of my favorite songs by him is the
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: choruses before Them Seek God, Them Seek the Devil, And
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I've and it's been in my head a lot lately,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: and I think it relates to the show and also
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: the technology and a lot of things people have been
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: talked about Lady, like only a lot of things. There's
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: this idea of the whole simulation theory. Then we live
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: in a simulation that's created by a super advanced, high
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: power computer somewhere that's being run by aliens or who
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: knows what, and you know, everything we know is just
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: part of that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: And that to me and.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: This psch idea of well, okay, I can have a
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I get it. I get the idea of
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: having an AI someone I love or missed. But at
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the same time, it goes to that idea to me
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: of before them seek God, them seek the devil, because
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: it's like instead of seeking spirituality or the idea of
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: you know that death is just a part of life
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: in that we have to move on and we still
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: communicate with our ancestors and things of that nature is
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I will get this tech you know, solution to it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: And then it goes with a lot of things, like
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: with the whole reality simulation thing simulation theory, it goes
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: the same thing.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: To me, it's like.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: People will believe that before they believe that there's a
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: God that created all of this. And I'm not even
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: talking about in the traditional you know, white man, you know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: some dude in the cloud sitting up there doing things.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I'm just talking about the fact that there's a universal
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: energy and everything is part of that universal energy, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: things are all made or the same thing, and it
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: all operates on.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: The Rastafari Rastafari Rastafari roster.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: But it's also it's also very scientific. You know, I'm
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: looking at.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, and all matter is made of the same you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: structures in the very lowest levels, so the ins of
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: that nature.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: What feels a little bit different to me with the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: re Reai re recreating Natalie is that she had the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: little on her head. So it's to me, the separation
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: between like the soul, the mind, the spirit. It's a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: little bit more grey in this universe then it would
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: be if one of us, you know, if if we
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: took a we had chat GPT, creator Ai of my
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: sister or whatever. It's just taking like it's yeah, it's
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: just taking our text messages. It's just taking whatever they
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: find on the internet. In this universe, they're tapping into
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: reres thoughts, her feelings, her soul. Like it feels for me,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff feels mixed in and melded
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: in you know what I'm saying. So like even when
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: her mom is like, oh, can you make one of Gary?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: She could?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: She could?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: You know, to me it sounded like, well it was
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a mistake. But I felt like if she put her
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: energy and if you put her mind to it, if
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: she wanted to, she could. Is it a good idea?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Probably not, but she could. But I would say to me,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: in that universe, like everything that you were saying about,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you know, spirit and seeking God and this that or whatever,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it feels a little bit different when the technology is
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: more advanced and it is tapping into you know, mind,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: body and spirit in a way that our real world
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: chat GBT is not.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: You know, well that's the question, like what happens when
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: our real world chat GBT does get if it ever
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: could get to that level.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think it can.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But they can't even know. We do know, we do know.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: They can't even draw a freaking fingers. And if you
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: paying attention, you still know the difference between fucking real ship.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: And a doing off your brain. It's not doing yet,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: there's that, there's the see now. But let's say one
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: hundred years humanity makes it and it's doing off your brain.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: It can be less. Yeah, and that they happens then
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you know, that's what I'm saying. Then is it spiritual
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: or not? Then? You know, is it part of our
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: you know? Is it that's thing?
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Because like Natalie says, I remember things, but I've gapsed
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: in my memory. But that'd be the same as if
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I was alive, and that's true. You know, I'm mad,
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, tons of gaps. But at the
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: same time, is it so is it like is it Natalie?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Or is it real?
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Because if she has gaps in the memory that she
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: only remembers when we was in the room, or did
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: she remember things when we we wasn't in the room.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Which if she does, then that becomes.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: You know, really honestly, that's when it becomes like, you know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: if she remembers anything with reviewics in the room, how
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: you know, like that's when it becomes well, you know, yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: How real is this thing?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Is this?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Do Android's dream of electric sheep? You know? Yeah?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So what did you what did you like? Did you
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: talk about Joe? You finished?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Joe?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: You finished?
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I did, all right, Ben? What what did you like
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: about the show off?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: This is all one. I very much enjoyed how black
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Like me and you were talking off the air about this,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: and I definitely say it feels like the after cool
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: special version of you know, Chicago. Like it is not
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: like you know, it's not some gritty one which I
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: don't need, but it's not even black or Chicago in
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the way that something I just finally, I know, I'm
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: dumb late, like on the second season of south Side,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: and south Side is just incredibly black and incredibly.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Chicago, and some of my best friends from Howard are
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: from Chicago.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I also hype when they showed the museum it's the
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Black Museum because I did a book reading there with
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: my children's book, and so I'm like, yeah, that's the
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Black Museum in Chicago. Of course they they're there for
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the Fairest Bueler episodes.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: So one.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: But the other thing is this show is only six
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: episodes long, and because of that, it's also got to
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: deal with That's the other thing that I always talk about,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: and I always say in screenwriting, real estate and what
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: you have to deal with, and in this show, you
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: have to deal with introducing re Read and our whole
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: world of characters, which I thought they did very well,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: as well as the antagonists and all the people who
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: come along with that.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I thought all of them were very well.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, re Rey's family and her enemies
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: are all very well developed, and the people around them,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: the neighborhood, et cetera. In a short time to have
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: then you also have to move things along in the
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Marvel way, you know, and lead into later things, and
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: then you have to have action, adventure and all these
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: other things to what's back from a superhero show. So
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: it has a lot to do, you know, in terms
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: of versus something like a Hawkeye, you know, which is
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: white people. So I thought it did all of those
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: things very well. I like the music, you know, et cetera.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I really like Ramos. I'm not really I feel like
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I've become more of a fan of him as he's
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: grotten older than after, and I really liked him in
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: his role as the Hood. There's a lot of little
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: things where it's like there are very much hinting at
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: things to come.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Like Joel said, we know there's magic involved.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: We know that his cape gets extremely hot, the Hood
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: gets extremely hot, and there's a shot that I'm gonna
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: point out because I'm gonna make another quick video about
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: this after reread. I think this is after episode two,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: after their second heist, after well, actually this is their
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: first heights.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: The first thing is just re rebusting for the elevator,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: but after the heist, after you know, they're doing the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: whole money.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: So it's actually the beginning of episode three because they're
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: doing the whole money shot and everything, and they're talking
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: about the money. When she leaves the hideout, she's talking
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: to Natalie her Ai outside of it, and behind re
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: read is a whole line of.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Posters that all say false.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: It looks like it's a poster for a play or
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: something about false and Falter is a German legend. It's
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: that basically talks about you know, a dude who makes
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: a deal with Memphistosceles. I never know how to pronounce
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: a whole law name mepas Mephisto. Basically, it makes a
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: deal with the devil, and a Fastian bargain, a Falsterian
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: agreement comes from that. It's when someone knows that they're
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: making a deal with the double basically, like they know
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: the consequences of it, but they make it anyway because
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: they believe that whatever they're going to get out of
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: it is worth whatever they're gonna lose from it, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: of course, you know, in the end, it never is.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: And so that's not one of the things I love
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: about the show. But I just think one of the
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: ill things about the show is that this show seems
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: to be about a lot of people making these Faltian agreements.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Are these falster and bargains.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Because right now that like Natalie is arguing with her,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: that she's making on right then, like Natalie's telling her,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: you're out here being a common criminal, you know, doing
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: the things that you said you wouldn't do. You know
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: that everyone your you know, Stepdad and Xavier down the line.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: You know it's against and you're out here doing it
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: because you think the money is worth it because you
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: can build.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Your new suit.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: And that's something else that I really loved about the
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: show is like Rear says that to Xavier, no one
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: gives the damn about me until I made the suit.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: And so it's like she has to be what the
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: white man is for anyone to recognize her, for the
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: black woman to get recognized, she has to do things
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: that the white man has done and in particular that
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Tony Stark has done, and Ezekiel calls her out for it.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: He says, you're coming in here with that iron energy.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: And it's like, I've talked about this so many times
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: on the show, but Tony to me is.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: A war criminal. You know, he's a wild boy.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: From the beginning of the MCU pretty much up to
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: the point he dies, like people had like he goes
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: on this crazy art but he pretty much stays the
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: same dude, and then you know, flips over towards the
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: last two movies when he finally recognizes, you know, the
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: people outside of himself. And I feel like, reread, like
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you said, Joel, that's who she is in the comics,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: and I feel like she's junior Tony, Like even though
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: she's a black woman version of it, she still has
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: that same super intelligence and that might lead to a
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: bit of a dispassionate version of looking at the rest
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: of humanity. So I think they're hinting at that type
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: of stuff, and I think she makes choices because of
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: you know, that type of mentality, and it's interesting to
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: see m hm.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: So I agree it was black and I don't think
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I've even ever been to Chicago. Oh yeah, But I
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: grew up watching the classics, like South Side, like The Bear,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: like The Shy. I grew up since I was a
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: baby watching those shows, and so I know Chicago. So,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: excluding season one of The Bear, which doesn't count in
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Chicago lore, I was hoping for a little bit more
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: of Chicago flavor. And again I say this as a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: person who has never been to Chicago.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Bear ever gets Chicago to me?
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, I think it just it gets really
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: like yeah season after so they got yelled at. They
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: got yelled at for season one, and then after that
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: they tried to be more Chicago. But I have watched
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I have watched every episode. I might be behind an episode,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but I have watched every episode of The Shy, and
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: they are very Chicago. And I can say this because
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I've never been and so they are very clearly Chicago.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: South Side is very clearly Chicago, and I was just
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I was expecting a little bit more.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Let me also say this.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: As a person who hasn't been a lot of places, right,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I expected to feel like I was somewhere else. So
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I'll say that right because I don't really know what
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the fun Chicago was supposed to be except for what
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I learned growing up as a baby watching The Shy
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: in Southside, right, So I did expect to feel like
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I was in another city, and I didn't feel like
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that as much with this. And I hear what you're
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: saying about they only had six episodes, but I just
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: feel like that kind of stuff, it gets baked in,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: you know, it gets baked in, you know, Like Okay,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: There's just a lot of like subtle call outs. Yeah,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: a lot of the actors are from Chicago, Like, I
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: know it's from Chicago.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: One who plays Rereset that is from Chicago. Yes, the
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: soundtrack is full of like full of Chicago. I was like,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know who that is. Let me look that up.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I think like that was helpful, like it was authentically Chicago,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: though you might not see it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's true.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: And they only had six episodes, still seasons like.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Marvel, you know, it's like that's it's like it's going
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: to be Marvel first, you know, so that's to be
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: the main thing, you know, and then all that other
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: stuff is like the extra side thing. And that's why
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: I always say it's like I'm happy they got as
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: much of the side thing and the soundtrack, especially Loan
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: because it's like house heavy, you know, it's not modern
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: and plastic joints, you know, and then new and old artists.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I was really feeling that the soundtrack, and it's subtle.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: It's not like where it's one of those shows where
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, a person needs to relax and
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: electric relaxations are playing right right, right right, you know.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: It's not that type of thing, so I thought. But
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: music was very well done.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, what's next? Where are you? Where do you
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: want to go with this next? I have a list
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: of what do you want to cover?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Well, one last thing that I really liked was I
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: thought it started off you know, well, it starts off
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: very strong as a show.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: In general, I thought the first episodes were very well written.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I loved how it went into the title sequence being
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: different in every episode, and the first one with re
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: rerolling around on the ground and then it's showing Ironheart,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: which is incredible.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I love that Trevor, her first AI is mispronouncing her
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: name the whole time.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: He calls her rev Or something like that, and you know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: just you know, the white.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Dude talking to a black woman, And I love when
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: she tried to call out against her black professor at MIT,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: when she's like, who ever tried to make you feel small?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: You know, I tried to bring in other people who
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: look like us. Da da da da. You've been here
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: four years and what have you done? You know?
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: So I love that little flip because usually we get
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: the you know, you try to make me feel small,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: and you know they're right, you know, But I just
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: love little things like that where it's a little good
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: twist in the writing. And then that's one last thing
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I will say, because I know you mentioned before about
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: the writing it's a very thin line between corny and
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: classic or corny and cool.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know what like, not even cool corny and
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: more like corny and classic. I guess, like girl we
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: in Trouble was that was harsh? You know? I like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: but like.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: From my own like in Jimmy Hender's Purple Haze, there's
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: a panel where one character loads up a gun and
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: clicks the gun to full and it says all the
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: way up, you know, instead of having an amo gauge.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: And you know, I sit there with that one like.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it keeps you up at nice the one
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: thing that keeps you up, you know.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Perfect out of that Yeah, that whole book. I'm like,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: was that wrong?
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Like I loved it at the time. I still some
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: days love it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: But it's one of those things, you know, And it's
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: like some people might when not think about it all,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: might love it, you know, but when that you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: we're in trouble.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: It might have been the delivery, you know, whatever, but
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: it just did not for me personally work, you know.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I understand and I feel
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: like that that's the thing with the show, and that's
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: what you were talking about. It is like there's a
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: lot of that. There's a lot there's a lot of like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: you know, we black, you know moments sometimes writing and
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: a lot of times it's subtle and then a lot
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: of and then the other times it's we're black, you know.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, that's go, let's fucking go
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: all right. Okay, So I feel like, and I think
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: this happens in episode one. Is this episode one where
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: we get the montage of the crew of Hood's Crew
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: of Shake Coulai and all that. Okay, so we get
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: this crew that is heavily queer coded in their appearance.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: We have Shake Coula, we have Clown who's obviously some
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: sort of queer. All of them are queer, right, all
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: of them are queer coded. And we know queer looks
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: like many different things. So it's possible that that it's
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: possible that clown is not queer. It's possible the twins
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: are not queer. The sisters are the sibling excuse me,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: are not queer like, but also in real life they
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: are modeled after queer imagery. Right, in my opinion, you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: don't have that number of queer folks together, queer femmes
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: in particular, right, And when we start talking about like
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with your money? Right, you
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: don't have that number. We're talking about the numbers here
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: because we know that not just because you're queer doesn't
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: mean that you have a revolutionary politic, right, but that
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: number of queer folks together and embodying and dressing revolutionary,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And nobody has a revolutionary politic. Nobody's taking their money
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: to fucking try and dismantle some shit or to build
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: some shit with community or whatever. It just felt like
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: this is just one example of it in the show.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: But like, as somebody who loves Shenanigans Marvel cartoons, I
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: watched what was that Transformers movie? The last one? Yes, yeah, okay,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: it was great, But I'm growing tired of embodying revolutionary
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: language and like jacking our appearance, jacking some of our ideas,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and then not including any of the like for real
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: authentic shit that comes with that. It feels like oftentimes
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: is being written by somebody who's looking at us from
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the outside and like, oh, this is how quirky and
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: fun they dress. These are some of the cool things
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that they say, and like the people are jacking our
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: style and writing that into the show without any of
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the other political stuff that comes along with that. You
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: just don't have that many queer fems in a room
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: together doing this kind of crime, and nobody is on
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: any type of revolutionary bullshit. Nobody is taking this money
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: and like reappropriating it to do something for community. Everybody's
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: answer like they took time to ask what are you
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: gonna do with your money? What are you gonna do
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: with your money? What are you gonna do with your money?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: And all of their stuff was based on like their
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: individual survival, not that we're not trying to survive, but
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: one of those motherfuckers would have said, this is what,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you know, what I always wanted to do for community.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: This is what I wanted to do, and this is
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: how I'm gonna do it. One at least one of
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: them would have said that shit. And that also goes
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: for like re read and like, you know, she's almost
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: shot by that cop before Hood comes to save her
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: or whatever, and like her takeaway is like somebody almost
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: died and she's talking about the fucking cop almost died.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: You almost died, bitch, you almost died.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: It feels like in our art.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: And this is not just I felt it heavily with this,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: but this is not simply a critique of like Ironheart.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: This is a thing.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: That's why I mentioned the Transformer thing, because fucking Megatron
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever his fucking name was, was right the whole
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: fucking time. It's like we can't in our art within
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the colonized world. I think of Queen and Slim all
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the fucking time, Like even in our fantasies, even in
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: our art, we can't be fucking free, you know what
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So like this group of queer coded fits
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: and these black folks and you know, and hood and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: everyone is out for self. There's no real we're supposed
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: to like it's implied that, like, you know, these black
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and brown folks they're they're on some robinhood shit. Maybe
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but nobody is really talking any type
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: of political stuff that makes you feel like, Okay, I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: guess I could see it that way. Kind of, it's
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: like we're all supposed to know from the beginning, it's
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: written out or spelled out for us that what they're
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: doing is wrong and this is this is wrong, and
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: this is right, and reb is just there for the
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: money and these people that they're robbing like it's okay
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: to rob them, But there's no real conversation about like resistance,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: like it's always in these properties, it's always costplaying resistance
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and in our current society, right, and and we're always resisting, right,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: people in our bodies are always resisting and having to resist.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm growing very tired of it being used as cosplay.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: We've seen it done better where they include some of
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the nuances of like why you might exist in the gray,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: why it's not always just right wrong, Black white, legal, illegal,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I felt like this
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: was so like they're doing the wrong thing or there's
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: a way to resist. This is not the right way,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like it just was it
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: felt like Rebe was the Feds. It felt like they
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: were using limited queer politic or whatever. I'm only asking,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I'm only asking for one person to say something that
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: they would do for someone besides themselves. That for me
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: was a little bit weird. And I'm just growing tired
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: of that in our media because a part of the
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: stuff that we're really drawn to are the things that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: like we've in our identity and existence, and we're at
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: this stage like maybe we've you know, as black people,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: we've gotten past a certain point of where just costplaying,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you know, give me five on the black cant side
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Okay, we moved past that. Now you're also costplaying.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Some of us who have a certain kind of liberatory
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: politic write some of that shit in because we deal
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: with heavy shit, right We're dealing with grief, your friends
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and your fucking dad being murdered by fucking violence or whatever,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: by gun violence. We're dealing with heavy stuff. You could
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: give me a little bit of the realities that some
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: of us are existing in as we fucking resist white
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: supremacist regime and fucking empire.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Bro, Like, come on, I do agree with you, and
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: then I also disagree, and I went here with Joyce
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: to say about it too. But one that was my
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: main thing that I wanted to address you. I never
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: looked at any of them as revolutionary. I get that
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: they are because you are, you know, their career code,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: especially Okay, the leader of the crew is a criminal who,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: from my you know, from these first three episodes, seems
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: to be making deals with some one you know, devilish
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: like that, you know, the hood seems to be a
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: devilish item that he has taken and used upon himself.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: So after that, I'm not looking for this man to
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: do whoever less that ASTs, you know what I mean.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: And like, like we were talking about before we started
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: the show, knowing you know, me knowing black and brown
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: men being completely trash in my life, you know, of
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: a certain age, I don't really expect all of them
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: to be good.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Then you're saying all of them and I very specifically
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: said one, Yeah, you know what.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, Oh, no you're saying, but no, you're saying
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: one one of the five. And like, okay, first you
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: gotta like, why slew Carter? My man is making those deals?
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I slew John because that's his cousin. Boom right away,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: that's too out the picture. Who are gonna be, you know,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: doing down for whatever?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: The other the siblings are you know, passable where I'm
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: you know, not gonna you know, they gonna make choices.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying at the same time, it's just faux
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: fiving them. But I really want to hear with that.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And there was reread, and there's the person who was killed,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and they're they're all queer coded. So let me let
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: If they were all if they had them all in
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: black panther imagery, if they were all dressed like panthers,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't expect one of them to say something, to
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: be on something.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: See, queer coding and black panthers are two different things. Why,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I know a lot of queer coding
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: people who are not revolutionary at all.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, sure, I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: not saying I.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Can't as a Black Panther member, you know what I mean,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Like that's a different time.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: But I didn't say.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't say a member because we don't.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: But if you're dressing Black Panther outfit, I would consider
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: you a Black Panther member. Yes, that's my first thought.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Beyond the whole Beyon the whole show.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I thought about a full real Black Panther outfit, carrying
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the guns, et cetera. You know what I mean. What
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I'm saying is.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: That this was queer cosplay to me. But that's what
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I'm saying.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: But queer cosplay in America and Americans to me is like,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: you know you're gonna get the wide spectrum of of trash.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: You know you're gonna get a wide spectrum of lots
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: of stuff and with with. But this is what I'm saying,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: is that queer identity similarly to any intersection, they come
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: with other stuff. The same way we watch black people
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: do things in a show and we were like off
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the rip of them being black. It's just culturally, it's
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: just certain stuff that like you wouldn't do one of
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: those black people would do da da to me. I'm
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: not saying that we should assume that because they're queer
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and on some other stuff, but no one of them.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: They didn't. They didn't know that this guy was making
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: deals with somebody shady. They didn't know what the hood was.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: They didn't know all that they do.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: They find out in the second episode that is very
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: hot or third episode that is very hot. They've seen him,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: you know, exhibit powers and things in their nature that
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: they don't know what it is, but they choose to
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: go along with it, which is you know, like that
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: is like horror movie level shit, you know, like, oh,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know what this nigga's doing, but fuck it,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go along with it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Once again, Fastian bargains like.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: That is in this universe because like THEYTIY talk about like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: oh there's witches.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: And yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: So people know that this is you know, right, But
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: if you doesn't mean the same thing that it would
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: mean if it was happening in our universe, like nobody doesn't.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: That's just it doesn't mean the same thing. That's what
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Like I talk about this and I go back to
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: and or all the time. You know what I mean,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: it's choices people make. These are grown ass people, like
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: it's just like within the and or there's a lot
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: of people who people sympathize with because of how they look,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: et cetera.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: But they made these choices.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I think that this show made certain things they played
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: with like is this black and white or is this gray?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And I feel like there was room for more grey
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: like Universe.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: But like I'll give you that.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: But but I'm also saying is that I just I
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: never even saw it as great, Like I thought, you know,
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: it was like real wants money.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I wasn't like, it wasn't like, and dude is doing
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: wild shit like the hood. I wasn't looking at him
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: as like, oh he's you know, against a man.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I know that's not We could do this forever, you
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: know what, will agree to disagree in this moment, I
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: want to get to Joe.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: There are parts that I agree with you, Like, I
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: think I am also tired of just kind of like
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Marvel constantly giving us this like shallow queer representation. And
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I feel like it continued in Ironheart like again visually, yes,
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: like aesthetically it felt very queer like I'll even say
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: John was giving me you know sometimes he likes the butt,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: you know, you never know. But I think like at
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: the same time, like something that that this just made
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: me think of as like the conversation that for As
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: has been about with the general public about like black
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: lex Luthor and like how like can we have like
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: is like a black super villain. And so I'm kind
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: of like, well, why can't like the queer people be
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: like trash people. But also like at the same time
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: I did, I just kind of felt like they were
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: having fun. Like it just gave me like if that
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: was something that I liked seeing it was like they
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: were just like enjoying themselves. Like I don't while I
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: agree that like it makes sense that at least one
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: queer person in the room would want to do something,
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: like would say something a little bit more revolutionary, I
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: also think.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: There's also they're also queer people of color, but they're young,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: very that's who that's usually who's at the you know,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: at the forefront of.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: These mountains, and it's also it's also the forefront of
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: wild'n out.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Know, you're good.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, like I'm also like, why
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: do why why did they queer people have to be
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: the ones to kind of like spur that off, Like
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: why can't they just exist and be in this space
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: where like, yeah, I just want to like make tons
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: of money and spend it on myself. Like I also
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: kind of wish there's this space for like I want
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: queer people to be able to like, you know, I
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: don't always have to think about my community, and I
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: know like it is embedded and in us, especially with
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: like queer people of color, Like that's something on our
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: mind of like Okay, how am I gonna support my peoples.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, I think it's okay that
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: they can be selfish too, like they can not care
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: about like oh and also I was kind of thinking
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: too when they were sharing about like how they were
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: gonna spend their money. Like if I'm sitting around a
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: room with like a bunch of my friends and we
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: just talked about what will we do to like a
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: million dollars, I'm not immediately gonna go to like oh
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: I want to you know, No, that's not.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying, And like I again, like
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: it's this constant like shallow representation of queer people, and
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: like how you can just tell it's not written by
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: queer people, Like it's not queer people by queer people.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: And so there's that that I one hundred percent agree with.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: But I do have this part that's like, uh, yeah, okay,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: like I want them to be able to just exist
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: and like to the point earlier about like how pronouns
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: wasn't a big issue, Like I want like these queer
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: people to be able to just exist in this universe
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: and do whatever the fuck they want and not have
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: to worry about like, you know, trying to trying to
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: be an advocate, trying to like be in these streets,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: like bringing the revolution to people.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with that. I think the piece
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: of me that disagrees with that right, like I agree
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: with that. The piece of me that challenges the idea
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: of like why can't they all just enjoy their money
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and spend frivolously as the Hood said. The piece of
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: me that resists that a little bit is is that
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: in our quest in these stories to give the villain
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: more depth and nuance or whatever, we usually a lot
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: of times these stories will play in the gray, and
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about black people, I'm talking about people of color,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm talking about queer people, and I'm talking about
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: you know, everything in between. Right, They'll frequently leverage our image,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: but in the gray they will intentionally, I think, not
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: include our politics. So everything else can be leveraged in
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the gray, right, So poor versus rich, Right, So it's
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: like we can play with all these other things, and
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: then we're gonna still intentionally avoid the politics that come
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: along with the imagery that we're using because for whatever reason,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: this is what we're using or whatever. So I agree
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: with you. I don't think that the burden of like
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: doing more should be on queer folks, should be on
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: black folks, should be on people color. I don't think
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: that our our shows even should be like, oh, we
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: have to be thinking higher and more whatever I feel.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: You you know, But Okay, one, you're like, I think
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: you're like looking at this show, and you're looking at
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: it not in a vacuum, but in like the context
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: of everything else. But not you're also ignoring the context
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: of what this show has to existence. And that's first
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: of all the Marvel system, right, and the Marvel system
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: under you know, the current regime we're under is going
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: to be a very much more conservative you're not going
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: to find, you know, Like, that's why I've been telling
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: you for the last and everyone in the world about
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: and or for the last ten years, because it's to
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: be the last time you're ever going to see some
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: shit like that, you know, like you're not going to
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: get that type of stuff.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay, but I'm not going to shut up
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: about it, and I know you're not.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, like you said, we'll be here all night.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: And that's like you have to give the show credit
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: for the other things that it is doing very well,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: because I want to give credit to Shanaka Hodge because
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: she they are doing a fantastic job with this show.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: I also want to say, like what Joel said, because
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: we've had this debate on fall Nerds for a long time.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: It's like you have to allow certain people to be
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: the villain or to be the antagonist just because they
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: look like us or look like someone we know that
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: they can't represent evil or they can't represent just bad choices.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Well that's not that's not again, that's not what I'm saying.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: That's a conflation. That's not what I'm not saying they
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: are saying that.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying is people, this is the conflation people
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: will make from what you're saying. And it's like people
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: have already made that conflation in our comments. People have
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: told us that, no, they can't be the villain. You know,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: we don't want a black left suitster, is what people
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: have said, because no, you know led Suitster is villain.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Is he's a billionaire, he's white. You know, a black
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: dude wouldn't do all that.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, I'm not a basic bitch. That's not what
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. What I'm saying, what I'm calling for is nuance.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I'm just calling for you.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, we all know that you gotta be finished.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying you're not calling for nuance. I'm just
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: saying that this show is doing a lot in nuance
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: and maybe see. The thing is like, I don't think
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: it was supposed to be nuanced with them, you know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: I don't. And I don't think it's supposed to be
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: black and white either. But I just think that like
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: the main character that you like, it's it's two people,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: it's re rein dude. This show does not have the
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: time to flesh out, you know, like the thugs who
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: they basically are giving them this much springtime and this
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: much credit.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Just call them niggas. No, I'm just teasing.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's but it's a credit to the show that
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: they've gotten this much springtime because they're basically the hnchman,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, They're not meant to be
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: any more than that. The main conflict is between the
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: antagonists the Hood and the protagonists Ironheart, and they're both
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: like I was talking about on this whole Fostere thing
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: where they're both falling victim to it. And I think
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: that's a very interesting thing that the show is the
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: with is that you know, this conflict between those two.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: The rest of them are just you know, side there
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: is pretty much like at least in the you know,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: terms of the show. And if I'm saying, I think
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: we got to give credit to what it is doing,
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: like in the time it has with like Natalie and
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: with rewec We gave that credit.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: At the top, and then then we asked for my
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: shenalitgans and those those are my shenalitgans, and I talked
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: about it in a larger context, like I said, it's
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: not just this show.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: But if I'm saying, yeah, but this show is like
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: the it's like we're talking about the show tonight, and
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: it's like this show is catching up the vapors for like,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: you know, fifty years of television.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean that's the case with everything that
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: gets reviewed, like it gets to be a part of it.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: But this was this These were the intersections where I
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: felt like, what I would have liked to see in
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: this show is like, as we Bacon nuanced to make
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit of room for resistance, since we are
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: costplaying resistance. That's all I'm saying. And that's that's all
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: That's and I think, I mean, maybe that's something that
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: they wanted to talk about more but might have gotten cut,
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: et cetera, like the idea because to me, like it's like,
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: to me, the Hood is just selling He is literally
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: like you're saying costplaying resistance. It's not that the show
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: is costplaying resistance. I think the Hood is doing that.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Like the Hood is literally like even John right, that's
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: the cousin. He walks up to her and it is like,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: I couldn't work for a traditional company. That's his line.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Not I need to break down the system. It's I
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: need to get bread, but I can't get it this way.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: You know that, Like, that's what I'm saying. The hood
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: might It's like to me, that was his selling point.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: He's like one of them dudes who's like, yeah, I
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: want to you know, he's the you know, the worst
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: of the black panthers, you know, the ones who wanted
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: to you know, just made some money instead of tearing
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: down the system.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Since you brought up the worst of the black panthers,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. Yeah, when these shows leverage
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: our imagery, right panthers or imagery of resistance, what they
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: frequently and almost exclusively show is the worst. That's all
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: that I'm saying.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think that, like that's it.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think this show is even showing resistance other
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: than the fact that the queer people, and I get
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: you one of them should be resistant.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: But you know, like ship, you know they called the
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: four worst you know, all right, what you like, I'm sorry,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: you know like that nigga recruited, Well, my man would know.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, my man looked for the worst because it's
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: also the people who are gonna go along with his
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: fucking devilish beams like you know, that's.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Why they didn't know. Okay, I don't want to like disagree.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: It's the Marvel universe.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: If I don't know why you shoot beans out your eyes,
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not going along with you because evinceally
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: those beans out your eyes are coming from me.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: He just had a hood, that's it.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, they all known that he's been
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: doing wild ship. They've all said that.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: They're all like you, I don't know exactly what's up
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: would do okay, but I'm here for this bread Fostian agreements,
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: you know, bargains like choices are made man, man, you
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: need to finish and or because you over here sympathizing
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: with Cyril like you, Oh, he didn't know everything that
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: was going on. No, I didn't be pretty much covered.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: You know what we liked that didn't dislike about this
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: these three episodes.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: So you know what I liked?
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I liked? I liked, I liked and
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: this was big episode three energy. I liked seeing the
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: suit fly itself. I like that a lot. While she
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: went and did something else that was cool, like like
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: how we could it was it felt like more more rear,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: more iron heart, more suit. I liked seeing them move
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: kind of separate. That was cool.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I really liked it.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Uh, just the whole armor ups that we're getting, because
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: I know people have been missing that and Marvel like
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: they're tired of everybody's helmets just materializing on their heads.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: And so I think that, you know, it's funny because
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of the things that people are mad at
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: like that, you know, the real haters of this show,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: the irrational haters of this show. There's a lot of
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: things that they're really gonna appreciate because these are the
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: things that they've been complaining about in general, not just
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: with this show, but they'll really appreciate, you know, the
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: whole cause the armor feels clunky, it feels heavy, it
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: feels real physical.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I really like that. Love.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: That's something else I want to shout out is the
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: effects and just the action in general, Like I really
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: not expect the action to be this good on this show,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: and it's really solid, Like the fights are really well done.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: The Blood siblings when they're introducing those shots of them
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: fucking the dudes up in the mansion is like you
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: feel that shit, Yeah, And.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: When Reby's like out of her suit, like she does
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: feel vulnerable, Like, yes, what's his name?
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: John?
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like coming for her, like, yeah, he
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: was putting up something, but she didn't have exactly all
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: the hands to be able to take him on. And no,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: he got cut up a few times, and like you
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: really see, like you know, she's gonna try her best,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: but that suit is what's protecting her.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: How did y'all feel about her basically leaving him to die?
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it did seem like she could just grab him. Okay,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: between Natalie the AI and re Read, y'all couldn't be
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: like you couldn't you was just fighting, you like.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: Grabbing like it felt like a you know, in the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: moment fight or flight.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: She she's like she was losing oxygen because she couldn't
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: break mine. Might have not been completely focused on like
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: everything going on. She's just like I'm trying to get
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: out and make sure I get out live my dad.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: Got to feel like, you know, I want to give
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: her a little grace that there was a lot going on.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: My first thought isn't always let me go save the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: man that just tried to kill me.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: So I don't know she was worried about that cop.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: She was very concerned. She was very worried that somebody
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: almost died. It was the cop was almost killed. Oh
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: my god, she was very worried. Meanwhile, somebody who uh
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: was like a part of your little crew who he
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: was also just.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Trying to kill her. I was just trying to kill her,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: but like seconds before, yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: But like what was she doing? She was not what
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: she was supposed to be. I'm just saying, I don't know.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: It seemed like it seemed like they could have just
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: grabbed him.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I really felt like she could have just grabbed him.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: But I'm also there with Joel ways that fight or
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: flight and you know, she ain't got no breath, and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: the Suit and Natalie are not concerned with do you
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: know straight row They're like, yeah, yeah, whatever being you know,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: you made that bed.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah no, that part of everybody else.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, she had to convince her to go, yeah
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: for real. So m M Now Suit's like yeah we out.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: M hmm. That was hard though, I felt from my
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: man when he was like, whe's John, Where's John?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: John? Yeah?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: About they just let That's the other thing. They just
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: let the door, close them. That's too much.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: It was a murder, I mean, straight up a murderer.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I mean, I might have been justified by homicade,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: but it was definitely homicide.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: You know, she had like blasted through the roof and
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: then you know easily, like she blasted through the roof
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: to save everybody else.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: He liker six million ways to die, six million ways
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: to save this man, and she chose none of them.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was wild. That was wild to me.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: No, that's like that, And that's the thing that definitely
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: want to get to show credit because it is like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: it feels like she's following in the footsteps. Like I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: go back to that line again when you're like you
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: come in here with that iron energy, like that is
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: who she is. You know, she's following in the footsteps
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: of Tony. And you know Tony was a murderer, straight
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: him and down. You know, he murdered so many people
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: in that first Iron Man movie.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Hmmm, I don't know, that feels like I don't like
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: that comflation. But you know, all right, I mean all right,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: she's just like her daddy. No, I mean, just like
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: her white daddy.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: But look, you know I have.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: Down the line, it's been you know, hey, you I
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: don't know. I think we did this before and I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: can't remember, but there were not one avenger. I think
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: that I couldn't counters.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: The war criminal at some point.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, like I you know, so you know white
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: black down the line. I think I can't remember this
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: CHILDA did some ship they didn't he I can't remember m.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. She hasn't she
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: hasn't seen that much battle yet, she hasn't, Like why
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: would she be so aside from her like gold she is.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: She's she's like, she doesn't.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: It's that Read Richard's Tony Stark thing where it's like
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: when you're that smart, you you like or you know
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: people like this. I know people too smart for they
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: don't goddamn good and I don't know super geniuses, you know,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: and when you get to that super genius level, the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: world looks.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Different to you.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want to spend thirty minutes talking about why
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: I think that that's not the case, or like I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: feel like that that's a but it's.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Also that is her character, like that whether you feel
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: like that's not the case or not like read Richard
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: and Tony. I mean, all three of them have shown
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: this in the comments in their history to not always
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: make the right choices.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the way that you Okay, all right, I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: don't want to I don't I don't want to get
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I don't want to spend a lot of time on.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: This that Joe said it, like, I haven't read her comments,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: but I know that's read, you know, whole thing.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I think that there's a difference between being like too
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: smart for your own good and like sacrificing people's lives.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: I think that she's still a growing person. A lot
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: of the mistakes that she makes in this series are
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: because she's nineteen twenty years old or whatever trying to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: figure a lot of shit out leaving you know, and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: just like anybody at that stage of life, especially if
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: you are no longer like in you know, doing the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: traditional path of like you graduate high school and then
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: you go to college or whatever, Like it's a period
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: of like figuring shit out. And so I feel like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: putting on the these concepts that white people have about
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: what it means to be smart and driven or whatever,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: and like it just feels like it's too soon, Like
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: she might be singular in her focus of like building
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: her machine and like she built it because she could,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: and like doing these things because she can and why
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: not or whatever? It feels like what to just do
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: it because she can't do it?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Like that is you know, that's my biggest problem with
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: a lot of scientists, you know, and are using mean
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: white male scientists when they're just like I did it
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: because I could.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: That is right, but we're talking right now. Yeah, but
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: she built a suit. It's not where it does matter.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: It does matter what the coud is. It matters what
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: the coud is, and it matters what's done that I
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: think you.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: Build a webinar Warmstead that like she built it because
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: she could. But I kind of felt like she said
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: that because she she didn't really want to say like
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: a lot of the real motive like she taught Like
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: I felt like she built the suit as like a
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: response to what happened to Natalie and her stepdad and like, yes,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: the pathway was let me build an iron Man suit
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: because it's like all the rade right now. At the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: same time, like she there was a part I don't
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: remember which episode, but there is a part where she
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: mentioned like how this will like revolutionize like first responders,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: and like, yeah, only someone could have gotten there on time,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: her step and her stepdad and Nalie would have made it.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: And so like yeah, she's saying, like I did it
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: because I could. But like a lot of the drive
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: of her technology is because of what happened to Natalie
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: and her stepdad, and like she she does all these
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: technological things, and it's like obsessed with sizes one because
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: she like inherited that from her stepdad and the love
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: of like you know, tinkering and breaking things apart. But
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: like a big part is also she wants to well,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: she saw how technology could have helped her and like
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: how it could have saved lives, and so that's that's
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: what's driving her to do it, because she feels that
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: guilt of like I couldn't save my stepdad in Natalie's life,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: and so let me do the thing so that it
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: can it can save somebody's life.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: And I agree with both of you. I think that's it.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: And I also think it's because she's young and immature
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: and breathing and dealing with a lot of different things.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that it's like she's following the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: path of the White Man. I'm just saying that she
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: does say I did it because I could, and the
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: whole you know, I doing this because I know that this.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Will help first responders, et cetera. It's the same thing
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: that Tony said, I'm gonna build a suit of armor
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: around the world.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, they do these things, but that
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: and that goes back to Tony in the comments, like
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: he makes the suits and then it falls into the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: wrong hands and someone does bad with it. It's you know, Ironmonger,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: It's the same thing, and it's like that's where she
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: is failing, and we'll see where it goes.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: But she's young and you.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Know all the other things we just said, but she's
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: making some of these same choices and saying some of
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: these same things. I don't feel like she's saying it
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: in the same way that the white dude says when
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: she's like, I did it because I could. But I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: also feel like it's not taking into account what could happen,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: you know, by doing these type of things. And that's
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: what I think the show was going to get into,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: and we'll see in the next few episodes as well.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, I also just want to point out that Tony
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: start not making a suit compared to like the choice
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: for Tony to decide, Okay, I'm not I'm going to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: pack it up and not make the suit and use
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: my you know, time and money for good for something else.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: It's different, make right, Yes, she says, right, she said, And.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: That's what I That's what I said this earlier.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: That's what I said, is that she's forced to make
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: a suit because that's the only way the white world
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: will recognize her is because she you know, she's like,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: no one cares about me if I go and do
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: all this other stuff I could do, but if I
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: made the suit, everyone pays attention.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: So well, white people pay attention. If we're talking about
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: the specific thing.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: Money pays attention. Yeah, the money pays attention. Yes, Yes,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not like you.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: I'm never disagree with you.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: I'm just also telling you like it's you know, it's
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: also you know, like the reality of certain thing is
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: like that's what I always drove back to Real Estate,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: you know, in six episodes and thirty eight minutes per
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: you know, like they did not get mad ship with this,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: you know, because credits is like you know, eight nine
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: minutes of this right, Like these joints is half hour
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: episodes for the most part, and you know that's what
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: Marvel gave them, and they did a lot in that,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: you know time, Like I'm giving them, you know, some
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: you know love.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: I get it, they can't do everything.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: And and then and they're also dealing with you know,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: the fucking current ship where it's like they're not going
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: to say anything, but you know, for what they are doing,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: I'm giving them a lot.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: I'm really loving this show. Any last words before we're
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: out of here.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: I did want to say, like the show is teaching us,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: don't uplift white man, you know, like they don't they
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: don't need that support. They don't they don't need that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: kind of like don't nothing. Don't give them your time
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: because they will, they'll betray you.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Where's the white man?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: That boy was in it. He's in the first three
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: episodes Alten, Bob or whatever the heck? That boy his
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: name is, Oh no.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: He it's revealed Obadiah's things found his existence.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: To be very annoying.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I love them. That was like a big
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: moment for me.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: I just loved, you know, any connection to Obadiah and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: I thought that was really dope how they brought that in.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was like a heavy handed moment.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was relieved when I was like, oh, that's
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: who he is, but like the lead up to that,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: and like the him, you know, learning how to stand
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: up for himself because of his encounter with ree Wee,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: that also kind of was like, okay, it was I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: just didn't Yeah, I just didn't. And listen, the reality
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: is white people meet us every day and they're like wow,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: you know, and learn something. So that's that's a reality.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: But also I just didn't feel like I needed that
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: to be, you know, to be a part of this.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: But that's not I'm not saying that, you know, I don't.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't. I don't want to.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: I don't want to.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, I don't want to
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: say so it's not like it's a bad thing. But
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: for me, yes, I did find his existence annoying. And
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the amount of time we spent with that white woman's
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: dog pooping on his lawn was like, okay, you know,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: we just we spent too much time. We just spent
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: too much time with him.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: That minute.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: No, I just think we spent a little bit too
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: much time with him.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: In that way.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: I liked him as a benefactor, like as somebody who
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: could fund what she's trying to do. But the other
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: this stuff was like, oh my gosh, you know.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: But I don't.
• 1:12:04
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• 1:12:08
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• 1:12:12
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• 1:12:13
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• 1:12:17
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• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: And it's the best three episodes of the series I've
• 1:12:20
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• 1:12:22
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