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Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga · The Art of Costume Podcast

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I feel like if I were to achieve that by some mystical means, I
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would create such an aesthetic court.
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I would create an aesthetic that is so toxic.
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Hello and welcome to the Arctic Costume Podcast.
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I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass. And I'm Spencer Williams.
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What's up, Elizabeth? Oh, you know, it's just another
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beautiful sunny summer day it. Is a beautiful sunny day hot
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girl? Summer has begun.
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Oh yes. All of 75° outside, which is
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absolutely too hot. Might I and but?
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Too bad for California. Anything over like 69, I'm
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automatically complaining. But, you know, I get that people
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are into that sort of thing. So, yeah.
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I like a good like 85. No, I feel like he just judged
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me a lot for that. No way 85 hate it.
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How are you, Elizabeth? I feel like I haven't seen you
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in a while. I'm.
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Doing OK. Oh, I forgot to tell you this
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before I got another costume job.
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Oh yeah, we, Elizabeth and I have actually been talking for
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like 45 minutes now. We just barely started
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recording. What is the costume job, if
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you're allowed to say? Yeah, it's the theater I've been
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working with They. You're so in demand now.
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Apparently, but they emailed me and we're like, hey, we need
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someone for this, can you do this?
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I was like, yeah, OK, it's Escape to Margaritaville, which
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is like the Juvie Buffett musical.
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So I was like, you know what? OK, I'll do that.
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This is brilliant. I didn't know is this a thing?
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Do do other people know of this musical?
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I I didn't hear about it till till this theater was doing it.
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Hold on. I'm gonna send you the wiki page
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for it, OK? I didn't know this was a thing.
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I gotta tell you, Elizabeth, I'm a big fan of Margaritaville.
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I've been there many, many times, the restaurant.
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So if you need any like historical research on like the
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Margaritaville restaurant or the clientele or the extensive
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Margarita list. Will you go do some field
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research for me? I absolutely will.
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It is part of everyone knows. When I go to Universal Studios,
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I make a bee line over to Margaritaville because there's
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less kids there. Yeah, still some kids, but it's
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a quiet place for you to get totally wasted after being at a
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theme park full of people all day, so.
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I think isn't that where we went after last time we were all.
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You and I have definitely been in Margaritaville too.
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I just remembered that. I get that the play's probably
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not about that, but I just feel like I could offer a little
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something here. Good.
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I'll keep, I'll keep that in mind, Spencer.
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I'll keep that in mind. But yeah, so I'm working on
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that. And then they also, I'm gonna do
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their musical after that, which is something about a, a ride,
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the Cyclone, which I'm not quite sure what that's about yet, but
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I saw, like, ghost school children and 'cause I'll look up
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pictures of like, past productions, 'cause I'm not a
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musical person. So some of the things I've just
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been like, what is this? Yeah.
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I've never heard of that one. Yeah, when I saw like the ghosty
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looking school children, I was like, well sign me up.
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Yeah, I mean, I love that. Well, great.
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That sounds. So exciting.
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That was my life. I love this.
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I love that you're now high in demand in the Philadelphia
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theater scene. This is Maryland, actually.
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Oh. Even better, I.
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Think centrally located for multiple states.
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And all of those out there listening who are looking to
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book your next theater costume designer.
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She is centrally located to Pennsylvania and Maryland so.
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Let me know. It's been busy over here.
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You know, it is award season. So I have been doing about a
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million interviews a day. If you all would like to read
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some of those, For example, we have Dana Kovarubius who did
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Only Murders in the building. She's on their blog.
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That's a good one. Susan Michalak from Abbott
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Elementary to Michael Wilkinson who did Three body problem.
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He also is on a podcast before to talk about and or there's
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there's so many and there's so many more that I are about to be
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posted. By the time you've heard of this
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podcast episode, I've just probably did a massive dump on
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the website. I feel like every day you've
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been texting our group chat, OK, I have an interview with this
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person today and this person, Oh, I have an interview with
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this person tomorrow. Like you're so booked and busy.
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It is a lot, but obviously I love it and I love that so many
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people want to talk to us and, you know, talk about their
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costumes, talk about their shows and know that this is a safe
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place to just talk about their process.
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And I, both of us, are always just willing to just listen and
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'cause, you know, I'm a fan of costume design, so I could get
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into any series or film. That being said, let's kick off
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Hot Girls Summer Elizabeth. We have a big episode ahead of
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us 'cause we were heading to the wasteland to watch a very dirty,
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filthy film. What did we watch this week?
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Spencer we watched literally the hottest hot girl summer movie
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this week. We watched Furiosa, a Mad Max
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saga. Yeah, oh boy, do I have a lot of
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thoughts about this movie, but I'm not gonna fire them all off
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right away. I have to say like I loved how
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beautiful this film was. Like George Miller, he never
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misses in terms of visuals. Like everyone on this film was
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so talented and did such a beautiful job.
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It was. It was just nice to look at.
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Yeah, that's the thing. I went and saw an IMAX and you
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just know, with any Mad Max film you're gonna get like a visual
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spectacle. Furioso is nothing short of
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that. I just love the scenes watching
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all of them ride on, you know, their bikes in the desert.
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I can't get enough of that. Like, you know, I mean, actually
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a big portion of the movie takes place with all of them if
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fighting over that war rig. And it was fine with me.
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That could have been two hours long and I was sat there and
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just watched them battle it out for this truck full of cabbages
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and I would have been satisfied. I know and I also love like just
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watching the sand in this movie. Like, I don't know how they get
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sand to be interesting, but sand is interesting in this movie and
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it looks really good. Great sand.
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Love the sand. Let's get into Elizabeth and
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I'll start us off with a summary.
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Snatched from the green place of many mothers, young Furiosa
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falls into the hands of a great biker horde led by the warlord
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Dementis. Sweeping through the wasteland,
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they come across the Citadel, presided over by the Immortan
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Joe. As the two tyrants fight for
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dominance, Furiosa soon finds herself in a non-stop battle to
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make her way home. And that is Furiosa.
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If you haven't seen Furiosa, go to a theater if you have about 3
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hours to kill. It's really worth it on a big
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screen. Yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, let's go behind the costumes with director George
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Miller and costume designer, one of our favorites, Jenny Bevin.
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Jenny, I do not miss Bevin. Yeah, yeah, because guess what,
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Spencer? This woman has 9 Oscar
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nominations and three wins. Yeah, she's a monster in the
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best way possible. Absolutely.
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And you may know at least some of her notable work.
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We gave up trying to put all of her notable work in here.
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You might know her work from A Room with A View, for which she
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received her first Oscar, Sense and Sensibility, for which she
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received an Oscar nomination. One of our favorites here at The
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Art of Costume Ever After A Cinderella Story, which we have
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an episode on. A fun one too that still gets
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listened to quite a. Bit that is a good one.
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The King's Speech, an Oscar nomination.
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Mad Max Fury Rd. for which you got her second Oscar win.
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The Nutcracker in the Four Realms, Cruella, our first
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episode ever, for which she received her third Oscar win,
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and most recently, Missus Harris Goes to Paris, for which she
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received another Oscar nomination.
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I always forget that Krilla was our first episode, but why
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forget? Even more often than that is
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that we have an episode for The Nutcracker in the four rounds.
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We do. Oh my gosh, we do.
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I totally forgot about that till I was writing the notes today.
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We do so for Christmas. Yeah, if you're in the mood for
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some Christmas spirit, that episode does exist.
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I think it was good. I don't remember though.
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We've done so many at this point I'm starting to forget and I
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never thought we'd get to this point.
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Well, Furiosa just came out, so there isn't a lot to talk about
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in terms of the research. However, our good friends at
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Warner Brothers actually had a lot of great direct quotes from
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the Queen herself, Jenny Bevin, about working on Furiosa.
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And what I think you and I could probably agree on the most is
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that these Mad Max films are just entirely creative and I
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just love watch how they are able to make something out of
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nothing. Honestly, it still blows my
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mind. Every time Jenny Bevin talked
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about that element of creativity, she said I think
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there's still an element of creativity.
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George always said just because it's the wasteland and it's
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dirty and desperate and all that doesn't mean it can't be
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interesting and beautiful. Not everything, but some people
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always will. I mean, they've nothing else to
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do now. People knit and crochet and
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watch TV, but we thought in a wasteland they'd be doing
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something in their evenings with their clothing to give it
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interest and personality. That was definitely our plan,
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which I love the idea. Like, you know, like all these
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big scary guys who are all deformed and whatnot are in
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their tents just like, you know, maybe studying their jacket a
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little bit. Yeah, no, I love that.
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And that was one thing I kind of liked about this movie was cause
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in the first one, it's like so focused on them getting those
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girls out. Yeah, that you don't really get
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to know like the world. And in this movie, you got to
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know the world and, like, kind of, I felt you got to, like,
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know a lot more how, like, other people live their lives,
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especially outside the Citadel. So I thought that was really
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interesting. And it's like, yeah, once the
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sun's down, like, or going down, you can't, like, forage for
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stuff anymore. So you gotta fill your time with
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something. Yeah, I'm actually really glad
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you said that. That gave me a probably maybe
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half a star more on the film rating because it's true like
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the first film, it was very much like this is about game from
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point A to point B. You know, that was Fury Row.
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This one is very much like it was almost like gang to know the
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neighborhood. You have the bullet farm over
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here and gas down over here and Chris Hemsworth is causing a
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ruckus over here and dementis is doing weird stuff over here.
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And don't forget about the cannibals that live under the
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bridge here. And you know, like so I loved, I
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really did love. I love world building.
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That's one of the reasons why I love film.
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So this Furiosa definitely did that.
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But as you can tell, we have a lot of thoughts about this film,
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but you'll have to wait till after the break before we get
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into them everyone. Will be right back.
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Spencer, I don't know about you, but I kind if I was in the Mad
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Max world, I'd want to be living in the Green Place.
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Oh, without question. I don't think any of the other
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options really look. Like, no, no, I'm like, I was so
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surprised when it started off like that, 'cause it's like,
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here are these two cute little kids in their little, their
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little blue outfits picking like Peaches and then you see these
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ugly guys on bikes. What happened to the security
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system? What what's going on here?
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I'm. Like, OK, you're so worried
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about people finding out where you are.
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Why don't you have somebody watching your children like?
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Do you know where your children are?
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Have you ever seen those those commercials from the 80s and
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90s? Oh my God.
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That's what they, that's what they're, that's what's missing.
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Absolutely. What's missing?
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Well, I want to start this podcast by talking about the
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opening scene because I think it actually has some of the best
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parts of an entire film is young Furiosa and her mother and this
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entire like sequence of her mother chasing, you know, down
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the men who stole Furiosa on this dirt bike.
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It's just that's like some good action scenes.
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I love seeing like this bad ass woman on this bike stealing the
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armor with the rifle and like that was just some good stuff.
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So I just wanted to give a quick shout out to that scene and
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these actors. Yeah, it absolutely was.
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And like, I loved what she was wearing 'cause it was like, like
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their whole thing is clearly being like calm and peaceful and
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like living their lives and letting nobody else live this
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life. And so it's like, it's this
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beautiful, like rich blue and just like very flowy.
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And then like, as soon as she goes into like chase down mode,
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I feel like it turns into like the perfect like action where
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like she adds that like belt to it and she's like, OK, let's go.
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I'm already wardrobe ready. Layering junk on top of it.
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I love like the skull helmet she has and yeah it.
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Was the helmets those guys had were kind of cool.
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Elizabeth's kind of a fan. I hate the actions, love the
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wardrobe. Yeah, that's very fair.
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But all good things have to come to an end, and unfortunately for
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any Mad Max film, the good things usually come to an end
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pretty quickly. So we get over to Dementis's
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camp and we get to meet Dementis and all of his interesting crew
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members. And before we get into Dementis
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and whatnot, I think this is really the first moment where we
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get to see that creativity that Jenny Bevins talking about,
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'cause you look at everyone's costume and not a single costume
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is the same. All of them are just made of the
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most random stuff ever. So Jenny Bedman talked about
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this a little bit, saying in the Wasteland the guiding principles
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are that there is nothing. And so anything they find has to
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have a purpose. And George loves it.
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If they can have 33 different purposes doesn't mean they can't
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be decorative. So you're using stuff that's
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really of not much use anymore to work with.
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And obviously there's no wasteland supermarket.
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They're gonna make clothes last and last and last.
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They're gonna use anything they could find out there.
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Bones, leather. And this one, we're a bit
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earlier, so we've still got the green place.
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So there is this wonderful possibility of a little area
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with water. You could grow things outside.
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Then you go into the wasteland, which borders it.
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So it's definitely about purpose.
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Georgia's other great mantra is keep it simple, which we do
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until we don't. So.
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I love that which we do until we don't.
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You can absolutely see how like all of these could have been
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very simple and still worked quite well.
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But they just like, it's like the opposite of Chanel.
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Don't take one thing off before you leave the house.
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Put on 10 things and then you're good to leave the house in the
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wasteland. If you're feeling light, you're
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probably doing it wrong. You know, looking around like at
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that first scene when Dementis is in his camp and he's kind of
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like the cult leader Dementis, surrounded by all his games.
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And they all have chains and, you know, leather and scissors.
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And one guy kind of looks like he's wearing like a Ed Hardy
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T-shirt that he found somehow. Do you see what I'm talking
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about? Yeah.
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In the. Back.
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Yeah. I don't know how that happened.
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I guess maybe he did find a waistline supermarket.
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But just like everyone has like, random pieces and none of them
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are cut correctly. It's just like everything's
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falling apart, which I absolutely love.
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And This is why Jenny Bevin won the Oscar for Fury Rd. is
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because they were able to take a bunch of nothing and turn into
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something. And she still continues to
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deliver. And Furiosa, if there's one
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thing I can say about Furious is that the costumes were
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excellent. Absolutely.
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I, I especially love like the the guys who all wear black.
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Yeah. And it's like their leader.
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The guy octoboss with the horn helmet, yes.
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I'm almost like, I don't know how but this guy somehow has
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seen one of the original Star Wars movies and just really
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loved Darth Vader. Especially.
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When you see his like outfit here without the helmet on.
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Yeah, very much gives like that kind of like dark stormtrooper
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look. And it he's he's been able to
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maintain it because he knows he has a sick outfit.
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So I bet you this man takes a great pride in his outfit and I
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love the horned helmet. He's very much like this dark,
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kind of like caped crusader character.
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I know he's probably a sleazebag like every other character, but
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I gotta say, if I were to be on anyone's crew, it would probably
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be Octopus. Yeah, and the wasteland, there's
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probably like one in good person in 500, I'm guessing.
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Yeah. So.
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And even that one is still questionable.
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But you know, he has cool style, so.
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Yeah. All right, Elizabeth, let's talk
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about the cult leader Dementis, played by the great Chris
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Hemsworth. So my good things I'm going to
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say first is I thought that Chris Hemsworth's Cape, the
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parachute Cape, the cloak was fantastic.
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That is, I love that costume. I agree.
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I think it's so cool that you watch this.
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Literally this costume piece becomes like a plot point where
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it just transitions over and over throughout the film to, you
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know, well, spoiler warning, at this point, you all should have
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seen Furiosa, but it leads all the way to the end when Furiosa
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is wearing it in Dementis. And yeah, I think it's a really
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cool piece. It's.
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So cool. And I love how, like, it starts
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off white and I love how he like, wears it at first like a
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shock 'cause I'm like, you're giving off like strong Jesus
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vibes. And like he so clearly tries to
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set himself up as a good person in a bad world.
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Like I'm not the worst. And it's like, dude.
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But you are in many different ways.
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Yeah, no, he's horrible. But like I also he does have
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like that cult leader charm where you do kind of want to
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believe he has good intentions. And honestly, like that one
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moment where he kind of stood up for Furiosa before he traded her
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over to be Cod knows what for Morton Joe.
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Like I think he was trying to protect her.
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He just gave up really quickly. But you know, so there's flashes
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of very minuscule good and this very evil man.
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Also, it's Chris Hemsworth, so you want to believe that there's
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good under there. You do, you do.
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And it kind of softens him a bit when he realized that he's
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wearing a teddy bear around him basically the whole time, and
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Jenny Bevin had something to say about that cute, cuddly teddy
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bear. So Jenny Bevin said the whole
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thing of dementis and a teddy bear dot, dot, dot.
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I found Dementis an incredibly hard character to get my head
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around. I remember researching gurus,
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pop culture phenomenons, flamboyant characters,
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dictators, they all seem to be in the realm of what this
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character is. And then we did a whole zoom on
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a character of dementus and various others, and I still
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didn't quite get it. And then I think I got into the
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idea of mixing the dictator and the guru, and that was a really
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good start. And he obviously rides a
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motorbike, and he is a showman and has that funny little jacket
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thing that looks like a bandleader or could be a hussar
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or just his sort of showing off. So I put one on a guardian of
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Gastown. The idea being that if you see
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it somewhere else, you know where he got it from.
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So she's referring to this like, bandleader vest he wears.
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Toward the end, she's saying that he found it off.
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And you know someone in Gastown, she continues to say.
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And as his power increases, he's adding to his visual look.
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And it was just that one simple little garment that we added,
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nothing else. Obviously.
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We worked on a white parachute cloak and the bear, I think is
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just because he's such a damaged character.
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It's his thing from childhood. And our bear is we actually got
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the original bear off eBay in England and then we had
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multiples made by a phenomenally talented crew in Australia and
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the bear became quite a big part of Chris Hemsworth's look as
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dementus. So even Jenny Bevan was like,
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what is going on with this guy? Like everyone looks at him,
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they're just torn on what his motives are.
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Yeah, yeah, there were a lot of choices with this character.
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I think guru and dictator though is.
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Pretty good though that's. Pretty close.
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And the cult leader, like she got it, dementis is dictator.
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Like he's he's very full of himself, full of himself and has
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like a mystical energy. But definitely like I'm just
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gonna say, Elizabeth, I did not like dementis.
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Like I did not like Chris Hemsworth's performance of
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dementis. I typically keep it positive on
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this podcast, but I thought the first half of this movie with
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dementis was atrocious. I just could not.
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I can't disagree with you. I definitely thought it was an
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interesting choice story wise. I didn't fully understand what
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they were doing either. Like as time went on, 'cause I'm
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like something's wrong. When through the movie you feel
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like Immorton Joe's not that bad a guy after all.
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Like as things were going and Chris Hemsworth was just
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creating chaos for no reason. I was like and Morton, Joe,
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please go stop this man. Yeah, you're kind of rooting for
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the evil dictator that we've all hated for years to be like, OK,
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but if you could drive down the street and take care of this, we
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would all appreciate. It Yeah, yeah.
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I was just like, what? Yeah, I was very confused.
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I was very confused. I just felt like he was too much
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of like a cartoon character. He just didn't fit in this world
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for me. And again, it's not the costume.
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The costume is flawless. And I don't really know that was
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Chris Hemsworth's performance. I just feel like this character
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was just way too over the top and this is a over the top
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world. I don't know, it just wasn't
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working for me. But when he became older in the
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second-half of the film and his beard starting to Gray and I
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feel like his costumes were more worn and you could tell he's all
26:04
haggard, that's when it started clicking for me actually.
26:07
That's when I felt like, OK, this is this makes more sense.
26:11
It felt like he blended back into the world.
26:14
So maybe it's purposeful, actually, where maybe that is
26:18
why he's so annoying to Martin Joe, because he doesn't fit in.
26:22
So I don't know. Maybe I'm talking myself
26:24
actually back on to dementis's side.
26:26
I don't know. Yeah.
26:30
I think we've said all we want to say about that, but you know,
26:35
let's move on because we have Elizabeth's favorite characters
26:38
to talk about Morton, Joe and Rictus and Scrotus.
26:44
I so I forgot about his sons cause are they both in the first
26:49
movie? I know rictus.
26:52
Is. I know Rictus is Rictus is a guy
26:55
that has like the weird kind of like chin piece on I.
26:58
Really. I still.
26:59
Can't tell what it is, almost looks like he has underwear on
27:02
his face. He he's like the the announcer
27:05
for his dad basically in this like everyone.
27:09
Everyone starts grabbing it. Oh can I just tell you how I
27:12
think I was very clear about this and our Fury Rd. episode we
27:17
did like a year ago. I hate the people eater guide
27:21
that's constantly touching his nipples.
27:23
Oh my gosh, yes. I'm like, what is the Oh yeah,
27:26
and. When I saw him back on the
27:28
screen and I totally forgot about him, I was like damn it.
27:32
Yes, and he is in this movie way more than he was in the second
27:35
one. I.
27:36
Know, And it's like, shame on us.
27:39
We're not thinking about that. Obviously, he's gonna be in it.
27:43
'Cause I think, I think in the second movie he, he runs Gas
27:45
Town right in the second movie. He does something something of
27:51
he runs one of the places I. Think he runs Gas Town which I
27:55
mean this movie would tell why he wasn't running gas town at
27:59
first. Yeah, he sucks.
28:04
Yeah. But again, we see our favorite
28:10
cast of really interesting characters, deformities and all
28:15
and and breeding and all, and Jenny had a lot to say about
28:20
these characters. She said.
28:22
With a character like Rictus, it's just fun piling it on.
28:26
But actually every single thing they're wearing is there to keep
28:29
them alive. It's to do with breathing
28:31
because none of them can breathe because it's so toxic there.
28:35
They're all suffering from every single disease, and though
28:39
Morton Joe's body is rotting so he wears a carpace to protect
28:43
himself. It's not pure decoration,
28:46
although it's got a slight gladiatorial sense to it or
28:48
mixing metaphors all the time, but it is to do with survival.
28:53
I love that quote and I think I said this when we talked about
28:56
Free Rd. by Do Think in Morton Joe's costume is super sick.
29:00
Oh yeah. In both ways, it's nasty and
29:03
it's sick. Like it definitely makes him
29:06
look like an imposing powerful figure, which like clearly like
29:11
this guy would not look like otherwise.
29:14
Like he is playing it up to his advantage in every single way
29:19
that he can 'cause he doesn't have that much.
29:22
Yeah, yeah. And I, I feel like Jenny Bevin
29:26
and crew like actually kind of advance his costume a little bit
29:29
'cause I don't remember it like breathing like that in the back.
29:32
Or at least I don't know. It just felt like there was like
29:34
even more detail in his costume this time around.
29:37
Which was? Cool and exciting.
29:39
Absolutely. 'Cause this time I was like kind
29:42
of taken by watching him breathe and stuff.
29:45
It just, yeah, it just feels toxic and gross and but just
29:49
terrifying. He's a scary villain.
29:51
So I actually would like to see in terms of like the world
29:54
building. I would like to see a movie
29:56
where it is about like the origin store of a warrant Joe.
29:59
Like that has to be. Cool.
30:01
That has to be amazing. Like, how did he get like this?
30:05
And it's like he's so obsessed with having like a perfect son.
30:09
Like, why? Why?
30:12
Yeah, actually maybe take that back.
30:14
I feel like that'd be a nasty origin story movie but.
30:16
Yeah. Who knows?
30:19
Who knows the. Interesting.
30:21
If nothing else, we. Cut some parts of it out, but
30:27
yeah. But also it was cool to kind of
30:30
see some of these characters come back that we met.
30:32
And for your town, like, you know, the farmers from the
30:37
Bullet Farm or the people of Gastown.
30:40
And Jenny Bevin talked about those places a little bit more,
30:44
she said. So Gastown was very much based
30:47
on those wonderful historical pictures in the 1920s of people
30:51
covered in oil. I just looked endlessly at
30:54
people in those situations where they do get absolutely covered
30:58
head to foot in black, greasy, vicious oil.
31:01
That's very unusual. And in Bullet Farm we decided it
31:04
was more yellowy sulfury brown, the Bullet farmer brown with
31:08
judge's wigs made out of bullets.
31:11
So they had their own feel. Then those who work the pits,
31:16
they're prescribed by those looks.
31:17
We didn't have quite a uniform, but we definitely dyed, painted
31:21
and did everything of those colors.
31:23
The garments were as protective as they could be, but since
31:26
these characters were the very poor is really a lot of rags.
31:31
I love that. I always thought his like his
31:34
like bullet wig I guess was like familiar looking but I couldn't
31:40
quite figure it out. But yeah, it looks.
31:42
It's a judge's wig made out of bullets.
31:45
That's so cool. It's so funny to say that
31:47
because when I put together these notes and I read judge's
31:51
wigs, I was like, oh, that's what I've been trying to
31:54
verbalized for the past, what, five years?
31:58
It is like a judge's way. Yeah.
32:01
It's so cool 'cause it has like, you know, the bullets are kind
32:04
of round, so it's like they're like round.
32:06
Locked. Yeah, it's really cool.
32:09
I'm obsessed with it. He might be a new contender for
32:11
one costume to rule them all after that.
32:14
Good point, Good point. Then we get into the moment
32:18
we're all waiting for, which is the very long action scene that
32:23
takes place on the War rig where Furiosa is working alongside her
32:28
new man Praetorian Jack, which they make a good couple.
32:33
I know I was like girl how did you find the one good looking
32:37
man and get him on your side like that was so cute.
32:46
It was so cute. Yeah, it was.
32:49
Those are my favorite scenes. I mean, that's always the best
32:52
scenes of, you know, Mad Max, just like the war scenes.
32:55
And it was cool seeing this war rig like so decked out and just
32:59
like all the different compartments.
33:01
And, and I love the like Praetorian uniform with the
33:06
makeup and, you know, 'cause when we saw Fury Rd., I didn't
33:09
realize it was kind of like a uniform with like the black.
33:12
On the. Forehead and it was cool and you
33:16
could just tell that I feel like the Praetorians are kind of like
33:20
the fabled Knights of the Citadel.
33:23
They have like the shoulder pauldron armor and you know,
33:27
they're just like kind of decked out and they have their
33:29
soldiers. So this is like Mad Max's
33:32
version of the knight I would say.
33:35
All right, so I actually just looked up the meaning of it,
33:38
'cause I'm like, I know this has like historical significance.
33:43
And the Praetorian Guard was an elite unit of the Imperial Roman
33:50
Army that served as personal bodyguards and intelligence
33:56
agents for the Roman Emperors. Oh, wow.
34:01
OK, well, there you go. That tracks.
34:04
Yeah, that tracks. These are Furiosa and Jack are
34:07
like the elite guards that Morton Joe trusts the most.
34:13
Especially like. Travel his cabbage.
34:15
Yeah, especially with Jack cause like all the other like town
34:19
leaders are like talking to him being like what's going on this
34:23
get sent, send this message like, hey, this happened like so
34:27
he's very much. Hey, what's going on with that
34:29
Chris Hemsworth guy? Why is he always outside my
34:32
walls yelling at me? What's going on here?
34:38
Oh, he did do a lot. Of that, yeah.
34:41
It's good to see the War Boys again, too.
34:43
Yeah, I still would like they'll learn a little bit more about
34:46
that culture too, but it's just cool to see them again.
34:49
I also love the contrast because they like clearly and, and
34:53
Morton Joe likes body paint. Yeah, 'cause like they, they're
34:58
so vulnerable. They literally just have like a
35:00
red handkerchief, some pants and boots and like body paint, which
35:06
I guess is technically would kind of be like sunscreen for
35:08
them in addition to like making them like.
35:13
Separate. Look, separate from Yeah.
35:16
And then in contrast to, you know, Furiosa and Jack the
35:20
Praetorian, who have, you know, clearly the black across their
35:24
foreheads, and they're decked out in, like, these leather
35:27
jackets, like full, full body, like, they are protected.
35:34
Yeah. And they're like, we, they're
35:36
like, we are the important ones. Go, go fight.
35:40
Yeah, say what you want about Martin Joe, but he does have
35:44
style. And in terms of the way he
35:46
rules, you know, he likes, he likes Chrome and silver and his
35:50
weird ghosty skeleton guys and his elite guards.
35:54
And, you know, he does have like a, he has like an aesthetic that
35:57
he likes to stick to for his people, so.
36:00
Yeah, Yeah, he does. If I were like a ruler or
36:04
dictator, I feel like I would like to at least have a game
36:06
plan for everyone's uniforms at the very least.
36:09
I definitely if we ever became cause like my view on like
36:13
leadership in this world is world dictator or nothing like I
36:18
want all the power or none of it at all like don't I don't wanna
36:22
be president No she. Doesn't wanna be PTA leader, she
36:26
wants to be leader of the world or nothing.
36:29
Yes. And I'm like, I feel like if I
36:33
were to achieve that by some mystical means, I would create
36:39
such an aesthetic court like. I would create an aesthetic that
36:49
is so toxic. Yeah, probably.
36:58
Like, I just feel like things would look really nice and
37:02
really cool. So I appreciate a Morton Joe's
37:05
attempts at that as well, 'cause clearly, like, look at the war
37:09
rig, there's art on that thing it.
37:12
Is it is nice? It is, yeah.
37:15
I mean, clearly an artist is working on this war rig and they
37:18
take great pride in this war rig.
37:20
And it's clean. It is clean.
37:22
It's. Sparkling.
37:25
Yeah, well, if you and I ever become cult leaders, which we
37:29
are not, we have said many times on this podcast, we definitely
37:32
do not run an organized costume nerd cult.
37:37
We would just have ideas. That's.
37:39
All the world would look very nice.
37:43
Well, we kind of talked about Furiosa a bit, but now we have
37:46
to talk about Furiosa and full as she is the namesake of the
37:51
film. And Anya Taylor Joy is
37:53
absolutely fantastic in this film.
37:55
I thought she was great and maybe that's because she didn't
37:58
have any very many lines at all, which is fine because she really
38:01
was giving giving a great performance.
38:05
Jenny Bevin said Anya Taylor Joyce for you also only has a
38:08
handful of looks and once she was settled in them, she was
38:12
looked after by her wonderful customer, Fee Nichols.
38:15
But she was a joy to work with. Her name is absolutely correct
38:18
for her and she seemed to take to the character like a duck to
38:21
water. As I've said before, George
38:24
Miller is an auteur. It's his vision we are putting
38:27
out there. I did a collage for Furioso and
38:30
we put it on a stand to show him the work I've done and he loved
38:32
it and Anya was very happy to wear what we came up with.
38:36
I think boots we probably changed just to make her really
38:39
comfortable and safe, but otherwise no.
38:41
A lot of the time I have really in depth conversations about how
38:44
the actors feel about the character and all the rest of
38:47
it. But I think Furioso is quite
38:49
prescriptive in a way. You know, she is what she is and
38:53
Anya seems very happy to wear it.
38:54
She was just lovely. So Jenny Beth Bevin was
38:58
essentially like, look at her. Like, you know what's going on?
39:03
Yeah. Definitely.
39:05
And especially like she does go through like a bit of a
39:08
transformation 'cause she spends years pretending to be a guy and
39:12
like learning the mechanics of everything.
39:17
But yeah, she definitely, like, she has her look and she sticks
39:21
to it. Even like at the end when she
39:23
turns into like, the Furiosa we know from the first movie, it's
39:28
still like, yeah, I can see that.
39:31
That was also like, still your style before everything
39:36
happened. Yeah, I thought Furiosa was
39:39
really cool. I love that.
39:41
Like you just mentioned, she kind of has like this soft
39:44
transition into the Charlize Theron infuriosa that's very
39:48
subtle. You know, they didn't just like
39:50
chop her arm off in the 1st 10 minutes and you know, give her
39:53
goggles and whatnot. Sorry, and a flashback.
39:57
So when her arm got messed up, I was honestly very happy.
40:01
It was, I was very happy 'cause I was afraid they were gonna
40:04
like, be really graphic and like, I felt like that was gonna
40:09
be like a whole thing. And it was just like, no, her
40:12
arm got caught out the window and.
40:15
It got. Squished like it got squished
40:18
and a story. Yeah.
40:20
And then the Chris Hemsworth had it basically pulled off.
40:23
Yeah, 'cause he had a tantrum. Yeah, he had a serious tantrum.
40:29
Yeah, it was great. I liked that she was in that
40:31
Praetorian armor that we were kind of talking about.
40:34
And it just slowly kind of evolves into that Furiosa look.
40:37
And then we see her put on the metal arm and it was just sick.
40:40
I just. And that moment where you see
40:42
her like, turn around on the bike and she's clearly like the
40:46
Furious. So we know I had like an audible
40:48
gasp in the theater. And it's like, that's her.
40:52
Like she's here. Yeah, that was good.
40:55
That was good. So Elizabeth, we do have to
40:59
check back in on Dementis, though, because, you know, he
41:01
was like you just mentioned he was up to some shenanigans.
41:05
And I, like I said earlier, I thought Dementis actually got
41:08
kind of cool by the end of the film when I felt like you kind
41:11
of like gave up on that, like guru cult leader and just went
41:15
like full maniac and everything was just very tired and dark
41:20
about him. And I love that as cloak now has
41:22
that like bloody red, kind of like dyeing it from that, you
41:27
know, smoke bomb or whatever. It just made him look just like
41:31
so scary. And then Furiosa chases him out
41:36
into the desert and you see that, you know, band vest that
41:39
we're talking about. And then that's when I just
41:41
really felt like, by that point, just seeing how, like, dirty
41:45
he's become, how grown out his beard is.
41:48
And, you know, like, his cloak is just kind of like, a nuisance
41:52
at this point. And you could just tell that,
41:54
like, the desert has broken him and he's no longer at the top.
41:57
And I feel like that shows in his costume.
41:59
Oh, yeah. I love how his little.
42:01
Bear has even also lost an arm and has a fake one.
42:05
Yeah, Oh my God. I didn't notice that.
42:09
I noticed that in the movie. I was like.
42:10
Hey, it's missing an arm, just like Furiosa.
42:14
I do like that. Like literally they just changed
42:16
his top. But it gives like just a whole
42:19
different vibe to his character, which is definitely more like
42:23
crazy man who has lost it. Yeah, but then also.
42:28
Like the band vest. Like it's kind of like a
42:30
marching band. My Chemical Romance as the best
42:34
and it's shout out to Black Parade.
42:38
It's gives him like, I think this is what he needs to like he
42:41
feels theatrical. Like, you know, this is a guy
42:43
who has like a taste in the arts a little bit.
42:46
And he's like, I am leading this.
42:47
Group of people. Yeah, like he's the bandleader.
42:50
And he, it's the costume is saying that without him being
42:53
like over the top about it. And I think that's what works
42:56
for me. Yeah, absolutely.
43:00
But that leads us. To I think one of my favorite
43:02
moments of the film. And Furiosa.
43:06
Is chasing his ass down, doing what we all want to do at this
43:09
point is bring an end to this man and she is playing 100%
43:14
games with him and she somehow gets a hold of his cloak.
43:18
I don't remember how, but there was a shot of it where it's kind
43:21
of like darkly lit and you just see the hood over here.
43:26
Elizabeth is the Darth Vader cloak.
43:28
It is the Paula Tradies and the Sandworm moment.
43:31
It is the moment that was like my favorite part and every one
43:34
of these deserty films. Yes, it's just a.
43:37
Cloaked person. In shadows, ready to end your
43:40
life. I'm here to fuck shit up.
43:46
When I saw. This I was, I almost texted you
43:48
in the theater. I was like, Oh my God, it's
43:51
here. It's so cool.
43:54
It was. So cool and you're like.
43:56
Yes, girl. Yes.
43:58
You murder him. Yes.
44:00
It's just this. Recycled parachute that has
44:03
somehow survived throughout this entire film and it is so cool.
44:07
Like I hope this piece of fabric somehow ends up in a museum
44:11
somewhere and it just says like, you know, the mantis's cloak.
44:15
And I would be so stoked. That would be amazing.
44:19
Oh my, yeah. It's just, it's such a like, the
44:22
silhouette it gives her for that moment is just so incredible.
44:27
And the way the red has just soaked into all of it, it's
44:32
like, yeah, yes. It's.
44:35
Kind of doing. Like a metaphor about, like,
44:37
blood, you know, it's like blood on his hands.
44:40
And now it's like the blood on her hand.
44:43
You know, she's just out for. She's out for payback.
44:47
I love that. There's no part of this where
44:49
it's like, oh, no. Like, you know, you're gonna
44:52
hate the way you feel about yourself when you end him.
44:53
She's like, no, no, I'm taking this man down tonight.
44:57
I watched this man torture. My mother and my boyfriend to
45:00
death. This is This is the end, yeah.
45:03
And also there's no good in. This world at this point.
45:05
So what am I gonna do? Like he literally like Tore.
45:09
A person apart in front of her as a child.
45:12
Yeah, that part. Was hard to watch that.
45:15
Was hard to watch the. George Miller knows how to make
45:18
you like Con. close both your eyes and stare into your popcorn
45:21
bucket. Yeah, I was like, oh.
45:25
Starting with the nipple man. But I we didn't mention that I
45:30
loved young Furiosa's like, mask she was wearing in her little
45:34
prison cell. That was kind of cool.
45:36
And fashion. Y Absolutely.
45:39
And I'm like, this girl's not talking.
45:41
Why are you, like, putting anything over her mouth to begin
45:45
with? But then I'm like, he's just
45:46
kind of crazy. So like, whatever.
45:49
Although did she bite somebody? She might have bitten somebody.
45:52
Oh, I feel. Like she might have did
45:54
actually. So I guess it just muzzled her.
45:57
I don't know it, it was obviously very mean of you guys,
46:01
but from a fashion point of view, I was like, kind of like
46:05
it. Yeah.
46:06
Yeah. With that Elizabeth, that is
46:10
Furiosa. Oh man.
46:14
I I feel exhausted. And sweaty like I've been out in
46:17
the dunes. What a film, what a.
46:20
Film. What a film so.
46:22
Like, should we start rating films?
46:25
How many five stars? Or maybe we should give it like
46:27
a costume theme, like how many bobbins out of five would you
46:32
give it? Bobbins I.
46:34
Don't know like. Spools of thread?
46:38
How many stitches? Sure.
46:42
But stitches? Good.
46:43
Five stitches would be perfect. Zero stitches would mean it's
46:47
falling apart, you know? OK, Yeah.
46:51
Yeah, yeah. OK.
46:55
I'd give it three stitches. That's what I was going to say.
46:58
Three stitches it it it needed a couple.
47:00
Extra and maybe like a button to tie it off I think What?
47:05
I, I felt like they lacked and maybe like story and or I was
47:11
kind of, I thought the score was kind of weird too, or lack
47:14
thereof of a good score. I think they, like we said at
47:18
the very beginning, the first thing we said, George Miller
47:21
always has killer visuals. So I mean visuals and Furiosa
47:26
herself as I mean it has to be at least three, three nice
47:31
strong stitches that will keep your garment basically together.
47:35
Just don't do too much action in it.
47:36
Exactly like I. Story points like when she
47:41
escapes from like the harem as a child I'm like no one was
47:45
looking for her like. Yeah, like there, there were.
47:52
Some things I was just a little like, huh, well, I thought it
47:56
was weird. When she returned back, as you
47:59
know, the Praetorian and no one was like, hey, remember when I
48:04
lost my wife, quote UN quote like 10 years ago?
48:08
Yeah. Where did this?
48:10
Beautiful woman come from like I wanna hear.
48:14
Like, I wanted the conversation between Jack and Morton Joe as
48:18
to why Jack should have been allowed to keep her.
48:22
Yeah, as. A Praetorian.
48:25
Because she's clearly still very attractive.
48:29
Like something happened here like.
48:31
Someone that was the oversight. I don't know what was what was
48:35
going on here, but I guess security is not very bright
48:38
around here if we're being honest.
48:40
But I mean. Look how she got away as a child
48:43
in the 1st place. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
48:50
That that was. Another thing I could have done
48:51
without, but I'm like, where was the search for her?
48:55
Like where was the conversation when like clearly Jack brings
49:01
back this woman. Like hey gonna train this new
49:05
person that I just found. Yeah, if I was some orange, oh,
49:10
I'd be like. What?
49:12
No, put her back. Stop defending Morton, Joe.
49:19
Why? I am so OK, That's the thing.
49:21
That honestly, that's the reason it doesn't have four stitches,
49:25
is because it made me think about Immorton Joe, who is a
49:33
despicable, disgusting character.
49:36
After this you and I need to go. Watch Fury Road and get the good
49:39
taste out of our mouths. I know.
49:43
So I'm like, that was our reason.
49:44
I didn't. Like him?
49:46
Oh, he's horrible. He's.
49:47
So bad even in this. Movie, he's not great, but like
49:52
compared to everything else that's happening, you're like.
49:56
I don't know. Well, with all.
49:59
That we're going to take a break so we could come back and play
50:02
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50:06
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50:10
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Elizabeth, did you gas up your motorcycle?
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Oh, I did. I found.
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An extra 1 along the way too. Yeah, me too, and mine happened.
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They come with a really cool helmet, by the way, which is
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cool. Did it have some like little
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spiky? Horns on it had spiky.
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Horns and also some human teeth, which was pretty cool.
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Oh, nice, nice. Are.
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You ready to play our favorite game?
51:39
Oh, I am. Hit it, Daniel, the one costume.
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To rule them all. Spencer was.
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Your one costume to rule them all.
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Mine was. Easy.
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I even think I even like said out loud in the theater.
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I was like Yep, that's it. It was the moment when we saw
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Furiosa and when she's wearing dementis cloak ready to end his
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life. She just looked so badass and I
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just really love a silhouette of someone being darkly lit in a
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cloak just, you know, with the desert behind them or something
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big behind them. That's just like walking in slow
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MO. I I lived for that moment.
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So that had to be my one costume ruled them all.
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I totally. See that for you.
52:29
That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I think that's definitely
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like, I feel like that's gonna be like an iconic look from this
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is that silhouette, that Cape of hers?
52:46
Absolutely. And what about for you?
52:50
You seem like you're still contemplating I OK.
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It's very, it's so hard, it's so hard, 'cause as you're going to
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the end, I realized we forgot to talk about someone whose costume
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I loved in the theater. So I'm actually I am going to
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change my one costume to rule them all, OK?
53:15
I thought about it. I.
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Went back and forth. First it was gonna be Furious's
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mother, but I kept thinking of this character all throughout
53:23
the movie. And then now as we are going
53:26
through this, I cannot believe we forgot about the history man.
53:32
Oh. Yeah, who was?
53:35
One of my favorite characters cause talk about a guy just
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trying to like live his life and preserve what little like
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knowledge of humanity is left in the world.
53:48
Oh man, he's doing. His best, He really is doing his
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best. And I'm like, what a good use of
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clothing to record human history.
53:59
Basically. He is literally like a living
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document from his skin to his clothing about the world that
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was, and probably like some of the stuff that has happened to
54:12
them on the road. So he can be just a vessel of
54:17
knowledge to whoever he comes across.
54:20
And I, I really love that. Yeah.
54:22
I actually I. Did forget about that character,
54:25
but you have such a good point. He really was like almost like a
54:28
computer honestly. He was just like a walking piece
54:31
of information. I'd be curious to read what that
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information is. I have a feeling it you could
54:38
only fit so much on there, but he's clearly trying his hardest.
54:43
He's trying his. Hardest and he's.
54:45
Constantly with his little tattoo gun and yeah, no, you
54:48
have a good point. It was a really great costume,
54:50
and I love that he was able to, like, keep it in good condition
54:54
to a point. And with all the things we've
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said about the mentis, he did, like, try to keep this man
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around, too. Just, you know, everyone has
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respect for the history man. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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One purpose and it's to not. Lose sight of history.
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So if you hurt this guy, then you're erasing history, which,
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you know, I'm sure some people don't care about in this world,
55:18
but some people do. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, Elizabeth, that.
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Was a good choice. And I also like your honorable
55:26
mention and I actually do feel a little bit better about this
55:30
movie now that we've talked about it, which is actually
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seems to be what happens every time we watch something that
55:36
we're kind of iffy about. I'm still sticking with the
55:39
three, three stitches out of five.
55:41
This is a solid 3 stitch movie. Yeah.
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Next week or two, next two weeks, we are gonna be watching
57:51
Bridgerton season three. Yeah, have you?
57:55
Seen it yet? I have watched the first half I.
57:58
Am waiting for the 2nd to come out.
57:59
I watched it twice. I I think I still.
58:07
Season 2 is still my favorite season I think, but I have so
58:13
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58:16
Started season 3 yet and at this point I think the second-half is
58:20
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58:23
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58:26
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58:29
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