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- 0:00Welcome back to Clone Wars: The Spinoff.
- 0:03DJ Universe here, and the table is full today.
- 0:06Dangerous Zygos, Calvin Blingwell, and Greedy Boi.
- 0:10Last time we asked who owns your voice in the AI music era.
- 0:13Today we're going into the paper, the actual contract language.
- 0:18Because in June 2026, a coalition of artist, songwriter, and manager groups put out
- 0:24an open letter, and the title says it all: Artists and Songwriters Must Not Be
- 0:29Pressured Into AI Deals Without Meaningful Consent.
- 0:33And look at who signed it.
- 0:35The European Music Managers Alliance coordinated it.
- 0:38Then you've got the Music Artists Coalition, the Black Music Action Coalition,
- 0:43Songwriters of North America, the Ivors Academy, the Featured Artists Coalition,
- 0:48and NITO.
- 0:50Reports put it at 29 organizations, and some counts go as high as 31.
- 0:56That's not a few people venting online.
- 0:59That's the infrastructure of the business saying slow down.
- 1:02And what they're saying is simple.
- 1:03These AI clauses are being slid across the table like they're standard.
- 1:07Like it's the font size.
- 1:09I've been in this game a long time, and when somebody tells me it's standard,
- 1:13that's when I put the pen down.
- 1:14Hold on, let me bring the other side, because I'm living it.
- 1:18When you're an independent artist and a label or a distributor puts a deal in front
- 1:24of you, you don't always have the power to say, change page nine.
- 1:28Sometimes the clause is just sitting there, and you need the money,
- 1:33or the release date, or the playlist push.
- 1:35That's the pressure the letter is about, right?
- 1:37The need is real, and somebody is using it.
- 1:40Exactly.
- 1:41One of the core demands is that AI terms can't be forced as a nonnegotiable
- 1:46condition of signing.
- 1:48An artist has to be able to say no without being penalized.
- 1:52And they want active, specific consent, not a default opt in,
- 1:57and not a right buried in catch all boilerplate or granted in perpetuity.
- 2:02Perpetuity is the word that gets me.
- 2:04You can't see forever from where you're standing.
- 2:06Nobody signing at twenty two knows what a machine can do with their voice at forty.
- 2:10But Zygos, if I say no to everything, I might not get in the room at all.
- 2:15That's my honest tension.
- 2:17Then know what you're trading, Calvin.
- 2:19Getting in the room is not the same as owning the building.
- 2:22I'd rather be early and slow than signed and sorry.
- 2:26Here's the backdrop.
- 2:27As of 2026, major record companies and publishers have negotiated over 270 AI
- 2:33training and licensing deals across creative industries, including settlements and
- 2:38licensing partnerships with AI generation platforms.
- 2:42The complaint isn't that licensing exists.
- 2:45The complaint is that the artist is often the last to know,
- 2:48and the clause shows up inside new recording, publishing, and distribution
- 2:52agreements.
- 2:53And to be clear, this is educational commentary.
- 2:56We're not lawyers, and this isn't legal or financial advice.
- 3:00Get your own attorney reading your own paper.
- 3:02Let's break down what's actually on the line.
- 3:05Start with masters.
- 3:06Greedy, what does an AI rights clause look like when it touches the recording?
- 3:11The letter points to labels asserting catalog training rights under broad
- 3:15distribution or exploitation definitions.
- 3:18In some European and emerging U.S.
- 3:21contracts, clauses have appeared granting companies unlimited,
- 3:25exclusive rights to use recordings in generative AI models,
- 3:29for training, validation, pattern extraction, adaptations, and output exploitation.
- 3:36Read that list slowly.
- 3:38Every one of those words is a door.
- 3:40So my record isn't just a record anymore.
- 3:42It's raw material.
- 3:43It can be treated that way, depending on the language.
- 3:46And there's a distinction you need.
- 3:47Inputs are the training data, your songs going into the model.
- 3:51Outputs are what comes out, the generated tracks, even vocal clones.
- 3:55A clause can cover one, the other, or both.
- 3:57If you don't know which, you don't know what you signed.
- 4:00That's my whole point about legacy.
- 4:03A master is the thing you hand to your children.
- 4:05If somebody gets exclusive rights to train on it, and what they build sounds like
- 4:09you, then your catalog is competing with itself.
- 4:12That's the part that scares me as an independent.
- 4:15The research says signing away training rights can create algorithmic competitors
- 4:19trained on your own sound.
- 4:21I'm building a brand off my tone, my cadence, my ad libs.
- 4:25Why would I fund the thing that undercuts my merch and my touring?
- 4:29And that's the sound and culture side, too.
- 4:32Hip hop was built on sampling, flipping, remixing, so people say,
- 4:37what's the big deal?
- 4:39But a sample got cleared, or it got a lawsuit, or it got a handshake.
- 4:43There was a face and a name attached.
- 4:46A model that absorbs ten thousand voices at once doesn't have a handshake.
- 4:51Right.
- 4:52Sampling had a conversation.
- 4:54This is skipping the conversation.
- 4:55Now publishing.
- 4:57Songwriter melodies, lyrics, and structures being ingested for prompt based music
- 5:02generation.
- 5:03The concern in the letter is that there's no clear accounting back to the writer,
- 5:07whether it's mechanical or performance money.
- 5:10You wrote the hook, but where's your line item?
- 5:13And a lot of us are both artist and writer, so it's the double hit.
- 5:17Then voice and likeness.
- 5:18This is where it gets personal.
- 5:20Because your voice isn't a catalog asset.
- 5:23The signatories emphasize that personality, voice, and moral rights remain personal
- 5:28to the human creator.
- 5:29They're not standard corporate property to be traded in a blanket licensing pact.
- 5:34I agree with that completely.
- 5:35You can sell a record.
- 5:36You can't sell who you are.
- 5:38Careful, though.
- 5:39I agree on the principle, but I'd say the contract fight is about what's written,
- 5:44not what's moral.
- 5:45If the paper says it, you've got a fight on your hands.
- 5:48So you want the paper to say your voice and likeness are excluded unless you give a
- 5:54separate, specific yes.
- 5:57Now the money question.
- 5:58If a platform pays to license a catalog for AI, who gets paid,
- 6:02and how much of it reaches the artist?
- 6:04That's the second demand in the letter: fair compensation with transparent revenue
- 6:09shares.
- 6:10It should clearly show what percentage goes to the creator,
- 6:13what goes to the label, and what goes to the AI company.
- 6:17The fear is that AI licensing income gets treated as general catalog income,
- 6:22or label overhead, and disappears into a pool.
- 6:26And I'll be honest, I'm not saying all licensing is bad.
- 6:29If there's a real check, a clear split, and I said yes on purpose,
- 6:34I could see it.
- 6:35Money from a new revenue stream could fund my next tour or my next run of merch.
- 6:40See, that's where I push back.
- 6:41A check today and a perpetual grant is not a partnership, it's a buyout with a
- 6:46smile.
- 6:47How many times have we watched somebody take the advance, and ten years later
- 6:51they're explaining to their kids why they don't own the music?
- 6:54But not everybody has your leverage, Zygos.
- 6:57You built Currency Development.
- 6:59Some of us are still building the first floor.
- 7:01Fair.
- 7:02I'll give you that.
- 7:02Leverage matters, and that's exactly why it's unfair when it's presented as
- 7:06standard.
- 7:07But I still say, short term, specific, revocable.
- 7:10If it's forever, I'm not interested.
- 7:12And I'm somewhere between you two.
- 7:14I don't think the answer is always no.
- 7:17I think the answer is never blind.
- 7:20Price it.
- 7:20If you license training, you want to know the duration, the purpose,
- 7:25the safeguards, and how you get out.
- 7:27The letter asks for purpose specific disclosures, detailing permitted uses,
- 7:31safeguards, duration, and exit or revocation mechanisms.
- 7:35So let me test that.
- 7:37Greedy, if the label says, we'll pay you something, but it's pooled with everything
- 7:40else, do you take it?
- 7:42No.
- 7:42A pool with no breakdown is a black box.
- 7:45I'm hungry, but I'm not starving enough to eat something I can't see.
- 7:48That's a good line, but some people are starving enough.
- 7:51I know.
- 7:52That's why the collective side matters.
- 7:54The managers, the songwriter groups, the artist coalitions,
- 7:57they exist so one artist isn't negotiating alone at midnight.
- 8:02Alone, it's pressure.
- 8:04Together, it's a standard you can point to.
- 8:07And one more thing the research is clear about.
- 8:10It isn't only the majors.
- 8:11Independent distribution platforms and digital aggregators have also begun
- 8:16introducing AI training terms of service.
- 8:19So even if you're not signing a label deal, you may be clicking agree on something.
- 8:24Man, that one hits close.
- 8:26Everybody clicks agree.
- 8:27And that's how you end up giving away the house through a pop up window.
- 8:31Let's bring it home through culture.
- 8:33In the Five Percent tradition, Supreme Mathematics starts with Knowledge,
- 8:38Wisdom, and Understanding.
- 8:40Greedy, how does that map to a contract?
- 8:43Knowledge is knowing what's written before you sign.
- 8:46Every clause, every definition, including the boring ones.
- 8:51Wisdom is the discipline to say no to a predatory opt in, or to negotiate it,
- 8:56instead of taking the first thing that glitters.
- 8:59Understanding is protecting your likeness and your catalog for the next generation.
- 9:04That's generational wealth in one frame.
- 9:07Knowledge of self comes first.
- 9:08If you know your worth, you read slower.
- 9:10If you don't, you sign faster.
- 9:12The people writing the clause are counting on fast.
- 9:14And I'll say, I came up thinking the goal was just to get on.
- 9:17Now I'm thinking the goal is to still own it when I'm done.
- 9:20Those are different goals.
- 9:22Alright, let's give the people something practical.
- 9:25A checklist of questions to ask before signing.
- 9:28Again, educational commentary, not legal advice, so take this to your attorney.
- 9:34Zygos, start us off.
- 9:36One.
- 9:37Does this agreement mention AI, machine learning, training,
- 9:41or synthetic voices anywhere, including in definitions and distribution terms?
- 9:45Two.
- 9:46Is this a separate, specific consent, or is it a default opt in?
- 9:50Three.
- 9:51Can I still sign if I say no, and will I be penalized for it?
- 9:54Four.
- 9:55Does the clause cover inputs, outputs, or both?
- 9:58Training only, or generated tracks and vocal clones too?
- 10:02Five.
- 10:03Is it limited by purpose, duration, and territory, or is it unlimited and in
- 10:09perpetuity?
- 10:10Six.
- 10:11What are the safeguards, and how do I revoke or exit?
- 10:14Seven.
- 10:15Does this touch my masters, my publishing, or both?
- 10:19Eight.
- 10:20Does it say anything about my voice, likeness, name, or personality?
- 10:24Because those should be personal to me, not tossed in with the catalog.
- 10:29Nine.
- 10:30If money comes in, what's the split between me, the label, and the AI company,
- 10:36and will I get reporting I can actually read?
- 10:38Ten.
- 10:39Who else can this be passed to?
- 10:41Can the label or distributor sublicense it or sell it along with the catalog?
- 10:46And eleven.
- 10:48If I use a distributor or aggregator, did I check their terms of service for AI
- 10:53training language?
- 10:54Because that's the click that gets everybody.
- 10:57And last, have a professional read it.
- 10:59Your lawyer, your manager, a songwriter organization if you're a member.
- 11:03Don't let anyone rush you.
- 11:05Rushed is a tactic.
- 11:06My closing thought is simple.
- 11:08The technology will keep moving.
- 11:10Your name, your voice, and your work are what you leave behind.
- 11:15Protect that like it's your children's inheritance, because it is.
- 11:19Still think some artists will have to make hard choices.
- 11:23But I'd rather make them with my eyes open.
- 11:25That's the spirit.
- 11:26Knowledge, Wisdom, Understanding.
- 11:29I'm DJ Universe, and this was Clone Wars: The Spinoff.
- 11:33Read before you sign, and we'll see you next time.