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- Deion: Welcome back to the volume shift, you know what saying, where we bridging gaps between the culture, gender. Now she got all this. ⁓ Poundcke: I'm on top of a g- Deion: Bridging the gaps between the coaches, races, gender, etc. You know what Unbuck doctors the doctor without the doctorate. Urban Activist: And I'm Jahlil, Urban Activist, man. Today we got a special one for y'all. Deion: You know what I You heard me. Poundcke: It's me! Hey y'all, I'm Peryl Cake, North Philly comedian coming all the way out of the North Side with an F. I'm so happy to be on this podcast. Y'all don't understand, these two men is a good vibe and I just met them previously, so I'm happy to be here. So make sure every time y'all hear Peryl Cake or y'all hear this podcast, make sure y'all tune in. Deion: Yeah, love it. You know, today, man, we gonna get into some, something intense, but you know, need it. Not for, you know, argument sake, but for understanding, right? It's the gender war, like masculine versus femininity, right? Like. Urban Activist: All right. Deion: And so what I wanted to do is, in starting it, is like give like a minute, right, to air it out. You know what mean? You go ahead and kill the man, you feel me? And we gonna give our just on the women. Poundcke: Okay, so. Urban Activist: But when he say kill the man, not kill the man, you feel me? Well, you know. Poundcke: No, well, I ain't taking it as I... What my rebuttal to that was gonna be, I don't think I could kill a man or talk too crazy about the men because I had a pleasure of dealing with both feminine and masculine energy. I was raised by my grandfather, was a strong black North Carolina man, and I was actually raised by my mother and her girlfriends, because she was a lesbian, but she was the, what we used to call it back in the day, butch. Deion: I'm going to go. Poundcke: she was the butch of the lesbian relationship. So it was a lot of masculine, feminine energy around me. So when it comes to men, I love men. I'm not one of those women that beats down or degrade men. I just never was. No matter how many times I've made across the path whereas though I got hurt, ⁓ be honest with you, a lot of my hurt came from women and never came from men. Deion: That was an interesting. Urban Activist: That's interesting. Poundcke: So, when it comes to the guys, I was one of those girls that my girlfriends would be like, ⁓ you always taking their side. And I was just like, no, I kind of understand. And up until recently, I really understand because I was actually in a lesbian relationship for seven months. And let me just say, I see why these niggas is in jail. Deion: ⁓ shit. Urban Activist: Thanks. Poundcke: You have to have a lot of emotional intelligence to deal with a woman. You have to have a lot of restraint to deal with us. And I get it. I get it. I won't bash. I feel like a lot of men... Deion: Yeah. Poundcke: don't really have the understanding of women that they supposed to have due to the fact that a lot of their trauma is from women. So it kind of put up like a, almost like a blockage when it comes to kind of receiving or understanding women. It's just more so like, you know, a little bit like a defense, like a wall. Like for instance, lot of men don't really talk to women because it's a narrative that women Urban Activist: . Deion: Hmm. you Poundcke: don't really want to hear it or we don't look at y'all like you being strong when you talk or lay your emotions out there. And I just feel like, no, I like to hear from a man. I like to hear a man's perspective. I like to know what's on a man's mind because y'all voice don't really be heard like that. And it's because once it is heard, like, it's not in a good light. It's always like, ⁓ you bitching or you complaining or you acting like a girl, you acting like a female. And it's like, no. Urban Activist: Okay. Okay. ⁓ Deion: Thank Thank you. Thank Poundcke: Cause to be honest with y'all, I'm a little spiritual. Men, y'all do have masculine and feminine trait with inside of y'all. If y'all knew that or not. you know what I mean? it's not, it don't dictate who you are as manhood. It just dictates who you are as a person. It's the makeup of you. You have to have masculine and feminine. We all come from Y chromosomes, shit like that. Like when you get deep into it. Urban Activist: Good. Deion: Yeah. Thank Urban Activist: Okay. ⁓ Poundcke: So it's okay to have, I guess femininity will be, the trait of that will be nurturing. A lot of women carry the feminine trait comes with nurturing. The masculine trait normally comes in with ⁓ structure, direction, focus. Cause us women, like, we see something shining, woo, we all over. But men, y'all have that masculine trait, whereas y'all gotta zoom in because why? Y'all the hunters, the sole proprietors, the providers. Urban Activist: That was perfect. Poundcke: Y'all focus on what y'all need to focus on is a little bit sharper. yeah, I don't know if I overtalk, you know, I'm little high. Deion: I mean, we let it rock, right? Cause a lot of times, a lot of times baby, proud, right? Where the woman can be able to like, you know, give it like that. You know what saying? And it'd be real truth. Like you get what I'm saying? And I understand it from the women, right? Like sometimes you just don't be wanting to give it up to a man in a winning argument type, But you know the real deal about it. You feel what I'm saying? Poundcke: Okay. Deion: You know, we play those little games and stuff like that. You get what I'm saying? so earlier you was talking about something I wanted to dig into. Like you were saying like, I think with the women and you date in a woman, right? And you getting the experience, the other side. like, in your opinion now, like where do you think that come from? with the women. Urban Activist: you Poundcke: Well, when I had this conversation previously, and this is just from my point of view, know, point of views are like assholes. Everybody have one. But from my POV, it really comes from a point of, I know we are the mass manipulators. So when it comes to, I feel like the manipulation part has always been negative and never was shunned on the positive. Urban Activist: Okay. Okay. Okay. Poundcke: We have to be in a manipulative form because that's how we, we groom. We the ones that groom and nurture the children. Hence when they grow up, they got some of the, like some of the mom ways because who's the one that normally spends most of the time with the kids? The mom. So we gotta use somewhat of a manipulation tactic in order to educate, in order to raise our children. I feel like Urban Activist: Okay. Okay. Poundcke: when it comes to adult relationship, ⁓ it gets negative because it comes from a place where they're not receiving or they want something. So the mind game part and all of that, the manipulation tactics that I seen on the opposite side, well, coming from the same thing as me on the opposite side, it was just like, damn, this is what we really be doing? It's like, you know, we've been manipulated. Deion: Thank you. Poundcke: Or I sit around this motherfucker while he watch the TV and say, want my nails done 89 times instead of just coming out and say, babe, can you get my nails done? Or I sit around this motherfucker and go to the market and leave out knowing he's preoccupied and I'm exing him to get something. Then when I come back in the crib and he like, damn, you ain't give me, well, you ain't exed, but you know this is what I like. Why do I gotta tell you if you know this is what I like? Deion: You Urban Activist: Yeah. ⁓ Poundcke: Nine times out of ten minutes, so simple and so easy to read. And that's how I be like confused on how we begin to be manipulated. I know why that be that be the day. Because I'm like, how the fuck? Urban Activist: All right. I said get crazy. You put your all into it. Deion: I'm too. Poundcke: But yeah, but yeah. Yeah, but yeah, like it just be the little things. I feel like women, a lot of times it be a trauma response when it comes to communicating with men. Cause we either dealt with a man that didn't listen to us or we were told that we talked too much or we were told that, you know, we complained too much. So it was like, sometimes it just be like, you know, let me just strip you out of way, huh? Deion: Yeah. If y'all ain't get together right and have a meeting about it, like as a women unit, I'm like, how do it spread like that? Poundcke: ⁓ I just think it's just basically offer again. I think it's just a response offer experience honestly Deion: but everybody's having the same experience at the same time. You got too many stories. It's too many stories, but it's the same. Poundcke: Not at the I don't feel like a lot of time. But a lot of times, a lot of women's story are the same. Like, it's crazy. We was if I was to sit in a circle with 16 women out of that 16, I guarantee you, damn near half of us have the same exact story. Damn, sir. Deion: That's what I'm trying to get to, like why? How can that be possible? It's like, how can we be in Philadelphia ghetto and have the same life as the Chicago ghetto? Urban Activist: Okay. Poundcke: Because it's all about the, I feel like the bloodline, the ladle, passing the ladle. What was passed down there is our culture. It became a part of our culture. It's like, you know, what grandma, grandpa, what mom seen from them, what mom experienced and went through that trauma, then went through with their own personal thing. And now the kids are sitting in the house watching it. Now the kids grow up to have kids. And then, and if it's daughters. Urban Activist: So. So. Poundcke: Then now the daughters is moving how the mom do it. Say I was raised by a mom that was like, listen, before a nigga asks for your number, you need money. You know what I mean? So now it's like, before you open your legs, stretch your legs, you need money. It's like, now that's all I know. Money first, fuck conversation. So when we do talk, ⁓ you want to have a conversation? That's cool, whatever, I need a couple of dollars. You see what I'm saying? Urban Activist: Yeah, so I think it might have came from the slavery shit and the trauma. you know like... Yeah. And that shit is like, we was talking about it on one of our last shows and we talked about trauma and it being hereditary. At the wild, that shit really spread through your jaw, like, unknowingly, but it's in there. Poundcke: It came from all of it came from trauma. Alexa, off! That shit is in our DNA. Trauma is in our DNA, is attached to our DNA. They have shown. Urban Activist: Yeah, so it's not like a personal thing. Like, it ain't no personal thing where like, where the woman... Poundcke: But you can rewire it though. You can, but that takes growth. That takes growth, that takes therapy, that takes a lot of shit people don't have time for. But they got time to get drunk and fight and go to jail. I don't get it. I don't get it. For me to sit down and talk to a motherfucker and it's going to help me? Opposing me got to go to jail over and over again or getting scar, war wounds and all of that. Opposing just sitting down talking to a person and really getting this shit out. mean. Urban Activist: Yeah Okay. Deion: year. Urban Activist: Yeah. Tricella: Yeah. Poundcke: Like, come on, we need that. I know in our culture, they told us we not supposed to talk to nobody, but at the end of the day, we need it. And I feel like it's more so for the men, but I also know it's a game, it's a game. Because in order to get mental health services, you have to have insurance. A lot of people don't have insurance. And I hate that. I hate the fact that we don't have free mental health facilities. We don't have free mental health hotlines. We may do, but I don't know none. Urban Activist: All right, girl shit and then all the food and shit is throwing out like it's making shit and violence and all that most of the time it just be a little thing that you could change by just eating something different or you know, it'd be little shit like that. But how will we know if we so focused on going to work and paying bills and all this other shit? Poundcke: Exactly. And then again, there we go. It's because it's a part of a design that we just basically like have to escape the matrix in our own ways. Like you understand what I'm saying? Like we have to figure out once we know, we know. So the only thing we can do is spread it. Urban activists. You what I'm saying? Spread it because now we get in contact with the youth. We get in contact the shit that we know can actually pass on. Deion: Thank Poundcke: I mean, social media is definitely, is a dark and is a light side, but I'm happy that it's more so a light side that it show you where your tribe is. It show you where they tribe is. And that's why they force so much negative in the social media because they know it's a connector. Sitting at this one device, we can be in fucking Beijing. This one device, we can be in Lagos, Nigeria. With this one device, we can be in Bali. Feel what I'm saying? Deion: That's it. Poundcke: And we know we can actually see, fuck telling us what it's like. No, we can actually see a motherfucker. Oh, we heard it's this, that, and the third. Flip the camera around. Not over here. See what I'm saying? Back in the day, I thought Africa was, I thought it was nothing but babies with filled up stomachs with air and fucking flies. Now when I talk to a motherfucker in Africa on TikTok, I'm seeing ivory towers in their fucking living room. When you go outside, know, certain parts of, everybody got a dilapidated part. Urban Activist: All right. Deion: Thank Okay. Urban Activist: Eww. That's what. Alright, alright. Poundcke: of their era. You feel where everybody got together. But the fact that on TV, all they showed us was the ghetto. And when I talked to my African brothers, they telling me when we hear about America and we hear about the blacks, all we see is shooting and gang and drill rat. I'm like, damn. So this is is that's it. I had to show a nigga Angela Davis. I'm like, Urban Activist: Yeah, we all got ghettos and Word. Deion: Mm hmm. Poundcke: This is a black woman activist that was part of the Black Panther movement that like was really like 10 toes down, foot on the ground that was fighting for us and our rights. Breakfast, lunch program, I mean, free home care, Medicare for the kids in the community. Like people over here was doing this. Y'all ain't never hear them? Huey P. Duke and Bobby Seale. You know, like we got people. Deion: Thank We do. Urban Activist: Yeah. And then you know they shit easy to restrict over there. Like they straight cut our shit off and just show them exactly what they want them to see. And they try to do that over here, but it's like, damn bro, we done got too hip to like abolishing the system and getting around it. Like, you know what Poundcke: That's, it's so sad that. Deion: And that's why I kind of wanted to get to that point. You know what mean? That's why I asked the question because, you know, it's puppet masters also attached to how we carry ourselves too. You know what mean? So all of that's inclusive when you can have ghettos all over the ghettos in America and they be the same. Poundcke: sure. Deion: That's through media and a different, like a straightforward narrative, right? Like we all seen Boys in the Hood, Juice, all these different movies, right? Like, so generally we getting all of that information like that. And now you got social media. So it's really like, you can see what's going on in Chicago. You can see what's going on in Baltimore. All these different places, you feel what I'm saying? But. But like you said, there's a good and bad to it and how you utilize it, you know what mean? And you get what I'm saying? when we get into it, it's like, where did that teaching come from for you? Who taught you about your gender role? I know you said your setup was, mom, you said your. Poundcke: We all have a choice. Urban Activist: Okay. you Poundcke: So, so grandpa raised me, mom had me, right? So just to give you a little backstory, my mom was an addict. I'm a child of an addict. My mom was on crack. She got clean in 96. She came to the rooms of Narcotics Anonymous with me in six trash bags when I was six years old. Six six, crazy. And in 96, damn. So, so she came to the rooms of Narcotics Anonymous with me and Urban Activist: Okay. Okay. Poundcke: When she did come, was masculine, like she was masculine, but she, so that's when she got clean. I'm sorry, I'm skipping around, because I'm a little high. My grandfather, she gave me up to my grandfather. My grandfather raised me from the age of two to 13. My mom got clean in the midst. Six years old, she came, but she was in and out because her sobriety was more important. ⁓ Deion: it. ⁓ Thank you. Poundcke: But my grandfather had me at such a young age. I remember my grandfather putting two ponytails in my hair. I remember far as, you know, him putting me in the tub and stuff like that and closing the door, telling me like handing me stuff, telling me though why I basically had to like. dealing with my mom being the masculine representation and dealing with feminine women, the women that she dealt with, I watched how they carried these silks and stuff like that. That's how I knew how to be like a little feminine and a little stuff like that. But the hygiene part and all of that stuff came from, know, trial and error. Deion: Dude. Poundcke: No bullshit. Because my grandfather couldn't, you know, he knew what he knew. But my grandpapa had, my grandpapa was like a hustler, hustler guy. So he always had money, he always had houses and property and stores and stuff like that. So the women that he was dating, they were kind of like, they were older women. Hence that I'm an old soul. They would tell me, you know, all the stuff and the beauty secrets and tips and shit like that. Hence why I said the joke, apple cider and vinegar on the stage. Because I like. That's what I was around, old ass women. never saw an old lady just roll your hair up with a brown paper bag and shit, the whole curls, put a stocking over your head. Like all types of shit, but ⁓ to get to the meat and potatoes of your question is basically like just observing, being a sponge, being observant. And I'm also like, I'm also a person that loves to be taught. I love learning. I love learning, so. Deion: You How about you, bro? Urban Activist: Oh man. I was raised by all women for real, for real. It was my mom and then my mom had four other sisters. You feel me? I met my pop at 30. So I grew up with a tough mom. Poundcke: Mmm. Urban Activist: She was thorough, she was nurturing, but she also taught me how to tie a tie. Like she taught me how to be on some business shit, how to conduct myself, treat people how they wanted to be treated, I mean how you wanted to be treated and all that. But you know, she did her best job, you feel me? And I respect her for that. So my viewpoints, it ain't never like bash women. You feel me? I understand men and women, we both fall short. You feel me? But. Poundcke: Mmm. Absolutely. Urban Activist: That's why we here now so we can figure out how we can like really put it back together, dawg. Cause I don't like seeing all that shit on like social media. Cause I don't fall in them categories like, you feel me? So it's like. Deion: Thank Poundcke: Me neither. Bags. Bag. I say the same shit. Urban Activist: Alright, can't just put me in the statistics because it's different strokes with different folks, bro. We all got raised different, but it's like, bro, we're saying we all go through the same shit. It's really a puppet master. Somebody that's feeding us the bullshit and we really running with it. So it's like, I don't know. That's what the volume shift doing. We trying to change the algorithm brick by brick. So it's like we getting real people. Deion: Thank Urban Activist: in real experience, none of the fluff, you feel me? Like none of the Q shit, this joint ain't about flashing money and talking shit and all that, no, like this reconstruction of the mind for real, for real. Poundcke: Right, right. Alright. Thanks. Deion: Y'all think like when you tell people like, damn, like, you know, the narrative that you carry is from somebody trying to diminish you or ruin what you got for yourself or what God had made for you. You feel me? Like, you think people will take heed to that and like, you know, start like gravitating towards like loving on themselves and carrying out their mission? Or you think... Like we so far in it, like, it's like, yeah. Poundcke: Nah, it's a whole motherfucking movement. I'm sorry, Smoothie, I'll catch you up. Go ahead, honey. Urban Activist: No, I was just saying, I was about to say the same. I wanted to be like that, but it's like, yo, you gotta get past all the thorough shit and all the trying to be, you what It's a lot of that in the way. So it stopped people from really looking in the mirror, bro. But when you doing real life shit, you can't get nowhere if you don't handle that first. Poundcke: X. We in the rebellion. Fuck that. is going... Serial shit is going to be... Being cool and having integrity and morals is going to be cool again. I'm telling you, it's... Everything come back in style, and that shit bound to come back in style again. Because I'm telling you, I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it today. I'm up 33rd Street. It's a jogger. It's two kids on a motherfucking motor scooter that shouldn't need a motor... That little thingy. Not even supposed to be on it. barely like one is on a handlebars, his head is over it and the other one holding on to him around the waist. And I'm like, ⁓ my God, these babies with the jogger stopped in the middle of the street while they was rotten for them let them go and then let the cars go. And I was like, ⁓ I just love seeing humanity. Like it's like, it's always good shit. And I hate that they force so much of the negative shit that it makes people feel like, you know, that's all this around. No, fuck that. It's some good shit out here. Urban Activist: Thank Okay. Poundcke: There's some good people out here, some good vibes out here. You just gotta catch them. You're not gonna catch them where you at. If you're around a negative entity of energies, that's all that's gonna be on you. Telling you that energy shit is real. A lot of times when we were growing up, when you get into like the energy transformation and all that shit didn't really exist to us. Those wasn't conversations at the dinner table. Now, Urban Activist: ⁓ I don't know. Poundcke: that we're enlightened and that we're aware. it's a lot of us that's escaping the matrix, because there's a lot of information that we're seeing that was wrong. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, yo, like, okay, like there's still some good people out here. And I know that because I exist. I know that because I exist. I know that is love and it's purity out here. I exist. Now I'm not saying I'm a saint. I'm not saying I'm an angel. Urban Activist: and Yeah, we're all right. Poundcke: I'm just saying I've lived through, I've lived like through trial and error. And that shit is not going to turn me cold. I refuse to be cold because I seen what not growing look like. I want to grow. I want to fucking grow. yeah, I feel like it's it's really a revolution down here when it comes to good people, positive energy and motherfuckers just willing, really authentic people that want to be thriving and wanting to be in they self. Deion: Yeah. Urban Activist: but it felt right. Poundcke: And a lot of them are creatives. That's why I like hanging around a lot of artists and a lot of people, you know, a lot of people that really like to create. Deion: Yeah. Urban Activist: rap and it's like yo you get what you put out so like people people always disregard that like but if you walk around acting like a dick and you expect the world to be you know do its thing for you it's not gonna happen bro but the more everybody don't like yo we can change the world like this bro everybody just do better for themselves just do better as a person you feel me it ain't even about changing the world but it's about just getting them to see that one aspect bro Poundcke: Thanks. Urban Activist: It ain't even no crazy change, no crazy cause. Everybody can just change themselves. You feel me? That would be a good job. ⁓ Deion: you Poundcke: It be small stuff, real rap. It be small stuff. It be the littlest things that you can do that'll make a big ass change in people's lives, man. I'm telling you, that's why I go around randomly complimenting people. They like, but you crazy, what? Like what? They need to know they look good. They need to, like I'm telling you, it just be the small acts of kindness that really makes people feel good and maybe turn them off. Fucker that was probably going to blow somebody's head off, turn them around. Be like, ⁓ shit, you know what? Urban Activist: The reality sometimes a motherfucker just need a hug or something you feel maybe some little shit mother you I like that late I'm sneaked fire whatever like it'd be that little thing that just boosts they should maybe like damn like I'm around like this Poundcke: That lady did say that cute, chunky, bow-legged, June one that was in North did say I look good today. I ain't gonna kill nobody. Deion: Thank you. Poundcke: Dang! Dang it! Dang it! Yeah, cause I don't like the dick eating culture. I don't like that dick eating shit. I don't like when they, don't even like that word. Like I ain't gonna lie. You could call me a bitch and I'm gonna get offended, but you say dick eating to me. That shit. That shit. No bullshit. Urban Activist: No. Yeah, that's fighting words to a Philly motherfucker dog. What? You crazy bro? Like damn, showing love, that's dicky and what's up? Poundcke: Night, dude. Urban Activist: But they'll find it thorough if you know coming at somebody or you know what I don't get it bro. I'm kind of tired of that shit, especially being a grown man. Come on bro, we got maturity and real life shit going on bro. I don't even want to hear that shit. Poundcke: Yes, yes, like we're adults. Deion: What? Poundcke: Like no bullshit. Yeah. Deion: Why y'all think they would paint the narrative to have the genders go against each other? What would be the perks or benefits for men and women to be at odds versus connecting? Poundcke: Because... ⁓ I'm sorry. Because they are trying to, I feel like me personally is a division. Division leads to conquer. If they conquer the effect of women being masculine and being combative and combative against men, that's an internal warfare. That is like basically, it's gonna keep dads out the home. It's gonna keep families apart. Urban Activist: where Okay. . Poundcke: is going to keep a wedge in between connections. which gonna lead to more, unfortunately, homosexuality, more. It's just gonna be a lack of connection between, you know, the men are here to teach the men, the women are here to teach the women, teach family, to teach unity. It's just like, it's a whole disconnect. And I feel like they're doing it because that's how they can control more. Urban Activist: All right. search. Poundcke: It's all about control, to be honest with you. All of this shit is about control. When it comes down to the race, control. When it comes down to money, control. When it comes down to even your own motherfucking thoughts, television, control. It's all about control. Urban Activist: They know that we way stronger together. Like they know that for real, for real. Like if we really mobbed up in this man and woman working together, bro, like none of this bullshit will be able to affect us. It wouldn't even be like no need for like gender roles or none of that shit, bro. It's like some shit as a man, I'm just better at. Poundcke: X. Yeah Urban Activist: And some shit I suck at, you feel me? But my wife is the shit in them areas. That don't make that her job, but that just make us stronger as a team. Like for us to understand our strengths and weaknesses. You feel me? So whoever controlling the strings of this shit, like if they control that and our unity together, they control everything. And that's the reason why the wealth get crazy. Like, you feel me? A black household. Poundcke: Right? Deion: You Poundcke: Yeah. Urban Activist: couple racks a year, opposed to like, you know, other races, they doing way better because there's none of that stink in their shit. Deion: Thank you. Poundcke: Yeah. And just look at how powerful our leaders was when they had black women that really supported them and was standing with them. Look how powerful X was with Sister Shabazz. Like, you know what saying? Like, even though he was, like, the amount of stuff that he went through that he had to face in that time, especially in that time, and then he had to come home, he had to come home to a strong sister. Deion: . Urban Activist: Yeah. Poundcke: Can you imagine if he would have came home to like a... Deion: I'm Megan. Poundcke: As a personality, I would have to say like if he had came home to like a I don't even know how she is but I'm gonna just say what she present a sexy rig See what I'm saying? Like if you imagine ex coming home to something like that and he had to go out there and like Had to push the shit that he had to push for us as men and black people come on And have a demon ⁓ Urban Activist: Right. You can't fight the world and come home and have to fight too. That shit make me weak. Deion: He's a sexy man. Poundcke: And I'm talking about the character she present because I know I'm you dig what I'm saying because I know for a fact that girl is smart I know for a fact she got she got some integrity like sukiyana too. So like she's a powerful small Smart black woman, you know, she put what they project. That's how they quote they money That was they honey to catch they money like you feel what I'm saying? Everybody have a trick to a trade I grew up with her family of hustlers some sold good shit some sold bad shit, at the end of the day Urban Activist: Yeah, cause she probably not even like that for real, for real. Okay. Poundcke: It got motherfuckers to where they need to get to. That's what some people get with and do, whatever they got to do to get them there. I know me personally, I got a little bit more integrity. I ain't really moving off of money. I ain't moving off of money. Urban Activist: Because that shit is just paper. Like, you feel me? It's paper that we attach energy to. You feel me? Because anytime like if we get tired of this shit, we can be like, yo, fuck it. We not even using money no more. Deion: you Poundcke: Thanks. Yo, I was just about to say that. Urban Activist: If you the barber, alright cut my hair. I build shit. I fix your house. I do this, do this. Everything barter bro, now we just slime them out completely bro. It's no need. Poundcke: Completely, completely, man. And that's the thing, right? And that's the thing, right? Because that would spark another war, right? And I'm telling you with wars and casualties, but there's a lot of wars that our people had to fight in order to win anyway. But we was the lock them out. You know how many motherfuckers they going to send our way to knock it? I mean, they coming at our families. They coming. They going to to see our weakness. Deion: Thank Urban Activist: you Poundcke: because they collect the data, they know what we into. They know what they already got a motherfuck. We got a profile, bro. We have a profile. Even right now, someone knows how many times we look at shit, how many times we go certain places, how many times we take out money, how many times we watch porn, how many times we go to the juice bar. Like they already know they could profile me. They could profile anybody just by algorithm. So it's like, Urban Activist: Yeah, we're all set, right. Deion: . Poundcke: They gonna come, but it's like, fuck it, we gotta fight, we gotta sacrifice. And I'm telling you, they were willing to, like Malcolm X, no, he wasn't gonna live long. He was willing to sacrifice himself for a greater cause. These niggas, they would rather die over a block, over a number in the name of a fucking block. Urban Activist: Okay. Deion: Thank you. But Malcolm, I gotta say right, like, Malcolm John wasn't in the fight that he was fighting. It was more internal. You know what mean? yeah, like he was trying to be the mighty righteous and even pull up, you know, the prophet, Elijah Muhammad, vices or whatever, and expose those. So, you know, for that he had to go, but it's like, I think... Poundcke: I agree. Yeah But he knew, I'm glad, I'm sorry, go ahead. Deion: I definitely dig that you said that, you know what saying? Because that's the real deal though, you get what I'm saying? Like, I know there's a lot of systematic stuff that happened or what have you, but at the same time, we carrying it. You feel what I'm saying? Like we make the streets. Like they might've provided the drugs and guns, but we make it. You get what I'm saying? Like without all of that, you don't got nothing. So for me it's like, Urban Activist: Okay. Deion: before the war can even happen. Like we gotta have that self discipline where we check ourselves and you know what mean? Go back to our natural original state before all the conditioning and programming and training through slavery, you feel me? Or you gonna have an infiltrator like the Black Panthers and all those previous people had when they made the attempt to Poundcke: Yeah. Deion: to try and see what you feel what I'm saying. Poundcke: Damn, you caught where I was going to. I'm so happy you said that. All right, good. I love y'all. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Deion: Mmm. But no, it's so important that we expand on these conversations and let people know, you feel what I'm saying? A lot of people probably sit around in groups and do know all this information, but because it's not the cool thing that's being presented, they just sit back and don't expose it. But you put them in a setting like this. Poundcke: Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna come out. It's gonna come out. Urban Activist: ⁓ shit. ⁓ Deion: You be like, you be like, damn, bro, I ain't never know you was like that. Like, you feel what I'm saying? And it's like, no. Poundcke: Yeah! Yeah! Urban Activist: Especially by the look and all that, like we be judging each other too, bro. We are just assumed like, yeah, y'all from north, I'm from west, we do the like all the cool shit. But when we actually sit down and talk, it's like, damn, like, they gonna this young cookin' for real. Like, so that's why I was like this. Yo, I was about to say, that's why this young so valuable to have somebody that's like-minded. Poundcke: YAH! Yeah? Yeah? Thanks. Thanks. Deion: That's I feel like. Urban Activist: You feel me? Because these type of things ain't no argument, bro. This just to make our army stronger and thicker. You feel me? That's all it is. Poundcke: Thanks. Thanks. Deion: And we gotta sit down and have these same conversations in relationships. You get what I'm saying? Because it's like I tell bro all the time, like we can never be in relationships and we allowing outside of the house shit control inside of the house shit. Like how we end up arguing about these gender Jones that's been presented to us, not that we feel. Poundcke: Yes. Yes. Urban Activist: ⁓ huh. Poundcke: It's been. Deion: You get what I'm saying? Like God is within us. So it's like, he already told me what I need to do as a man. I can't change that. Like, you know what saying? He gave you your role. You can't change that. You get what I'm saying? So all of, you know, I feel this type of way. Nah, that come from somewhere else. Cause why do you even feel that way when your natural job at birth was to do X, Y, and Z? Poundcke: Thank Urban Activist: . . Deion: somebody try and manipulate you out your space. You get what I'm saying? And you allowing that. And for a lot of men and women, that's what really hurt the most. Cause you like, damn, I'm your partner. You feel what I'm saying? Like, imagine this, right? We in a family and I'm your flesh and blood, right? But you will put Jesus, a character over me. Poundcke: Yeah. Hmm. Deion: and love and everything. I'm like, damn, like, Auntie, why you talking to me like that? You feel what I'm saying? Like, and the same thing in relationships. How you talking to me like that? And I didn't make the rule. You get what I'm saying? I'm a man by birth that I didn't even ask to be. Like, I didn't ask to get the role of a man. didn't ask, like, you get what I'm saying? So for me, it's like, when we get the audacity, Urban Activist: you you Poundcke: Mm-hmm. Right. Right. Deion: to have the arrogance to be like, no, I don't wanna do that no more. It's like you edging God out. You like, no, I'm gonna abort your mission, cause I wanna do this earthly mission that I learned from here and shit like that. You get me to impress other earthly motherfuckers that don't matter. You get what I'm saying? And it's like, no, my life is so crazy, right? Urban Activist: Hey. Poundcke: Thank Deion: My life is a journey, everybody's life is a journey. We all got our individual drone. So my drone was set up, even if I didn't like it, right? I went to certain classes, I went to certain programs, I went to drug programs, I had to go through that embarrassment. I went to jail, I had to go through that embarrassment. You get what I'm saying? And all of those different skills and everything lined up for later things that I wasn't even aware of. You get me? Poundcke: No. in. Deion: A young boy that we grew up with is going through something right now homeless and then it was like, I get the call. How dare I be like, I don't feel like going to do that. Oh, that ain't my job. You feel what I'm saying? When it came to me, that's my mission. Like I came to work that job. You get what I'm saying? And so when we these relationships and you plan that gender job, it's like, don't utilize that. You get what I'm saying? Like, and I'm at the point now, I'm so modern. I'm like, if the fucking trash guy get taken out, how dare you to wait till I get home? Cause you think a man supposed to take the trash out. Bitch, you, you lost it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like you really, you are outsider. are out. Like you listening to more of that outside shit than what's inside. But Urban Activist: All right. All right. Poundcke: No, no bullshit. That definitely is a thing. Deion: But you tell me like you want a leader. Don't tell me you want a leader and you disregard my leadership. You get what I'm saying? That automatically tell me that's some outside shit and you fighting with them against me. You feel me? Not even against me solely, but you going against the family oriented code of life. Especially if we got kids and you know what saying? Urban Activist: Okay. All right. Poundcke: Mm. ⁓ Deion: My fault, I was a little winded on that y'all, but I had to really say that. Poundcke: No, I mean, I get it. I get it. sounded like it was a little personal attached to that, but I get it though. I get it. No, honestly, that whole thing too irritates me because me personally, I think how I was brought up, I'm just like more so due for self. I do have a little bit of hyper independence in me because I was raised, you know, at both times single parents, my grandfather and my mom. Deion: I would never personally. Poundcke: So was like, always see my mom provide, I always see my grandfather provide. So I always felt like I had to be the main provider. And then I wound up, you know, becoming a single parent myself. So it was like, I don't know, like back to like what you were saying, was kind of like, you know, was kind of, I was kind of like being prepared or just the universe, unfortunately, got me into what it knew I needed to be prepared for, if that makes sense. But when it comes to the place of... ⁓ I gotta wait for somebody to come home and take out the trash. Like no, if the trash stink, if it's trash and it's filled up and I'm right and I know I'm home, I'm taking that shit out. Bottom line, that's just, to me, that's like common courtesy, common sense because I'm not gonna wait for you to come, especially if it's not no heavy trash. Like if it's light shit, like it was like, now if it's an old TV, ain't gonna be like, but if it's house talk. Urban Activist: Right a basement clean out. Yeah, wait, wait for us you feel me Deion: No, I come in the joint. I come in the joint. It's trash over the trash over That mean y'all really was gonna wait until like nobody Poundcke: No, no, that me personally, okay, so let me just say this. of my trauma is being talked too crazy. Like I had to deal with verbal abuse. You know what saying? So tone is definitely a thing for me. So I'm not gonna sit up there. I got old to like, my mom used to be on some shit like the hygiene shit. So it's like, you know, she would say certain shit. So I'm like extra like clean. Deion: That is crazy work, right? Poundcke: Like I don't play around with tread. I don't play around with shit just hanging around. Like I can't do it. Odors, can't do them. It's a fucking non-negotiable. You cannot stink, smell, nothing can smell in my fucking house. And I have animals now. I didn't always have animals. Now I have animals. When I say bleach, fabuloso, motherfucking baking soda and vinegar and lemons is my main priorities in this motherfucker. That's my shopping list. Sometimes I forget fucking food, but I get those motherfucking things. Urban Activist: Okay. Poundcke: I can't deal with that so I'm not trash overflowing. You know what? I believe that just becomes, that comes with that, how they were brought up too. You know, I've watched certain like dealing with certain guys. I see little shit. Like if I see you walk over a sock in the middle of the floor, I, yup. Yo, like if you can't, if you can't stop, like I just like, I just can't see me hopping over it and walking out the door. Urban Activist: I don't care who sock it is, dawg. Let's pick up the sock. Deion: Yeah. Okay. Urban Activist: Yeah. slide it somewhere else and y'all gotta see it. Like, that's petty shit, dawg. Come on. Poundcke: LIKE! No! Deion: Now I will say, I will say this though, when you single, it's always a joy to be like, I'll get it later. And shit like that, you know what mean? So it might cross over. Like if you don't make the transition. Poundcke: I don't know. I don't know. just cuz even me being single having my own place is like, okay I kind of understand where you coming from because it's just I Mean yeah, I can't understand Yeah, I can't understand that point at that point of view I can't I can't understand it. But yeah me personally Deion: No, I'm just saying that's the thought. That's the thought. Not that I do it, but I'm just saying that's the thought. Poundcke: I just got to like, I've seen like, and you know me, again, test, I would do a little test if a guy come over and I just sit, I would sit and see if they would just do little shit and if I sit, I was like, yeah, yeah, he's gonna have to get the long text. Damn, I really liked them too. But it just be like, you know this is a woman household. So I shouldn't have to tell you to put the toilet seat back down. I shouldn't have to. Urban Activist: Yeah, bro, dog, like, damn, you gonna fall in the seat and then curse me out? I don't feel like that, bro, come on, you gonna piss on the seat and I wipe it up? Like, come on, bro, like, it's like time. Deion: deal. Poundcke: It's like... ⁓ Deion: you Poundcke: Yeah, that too like Deion: That's crazy work, cause like, when you in jail, you gotta do the knee. Poundcke: ⁓ it's me. Urban Activist: Yeah, Joe, that's a crazy, like... Deion: ⁓ So if you in jail doing the need and you back home in freedom and you came, like that's crazy work. Poundcke: Wait, so wait, so wait, real quick. Ooh, I hate to get off topic, but wait. All right, so I was dating this guy, right? And he went to go use the bathroom, but how my bathroom is, like right across from my room. So I'm at the dresser, hence the dresser being right in front of me. So I'm at the dresser and I just so happen to look and he ain't closed the door all the way. And he took a piss on a knee. Deion: Good, good. Poundcke: So is that what they do? Is that, that motherfucker, is that traumatized? He still pissed like that? Urban Activist: No, and I ain't gonna lie, look sis, yeah, institutionalize and on some real shit, that's why men get prostate cancer, bro. We're not supposed to stand up and piss. Like you really supposed to sit down and piss, bro. Deion: Institutionalize! ⁓ snap. Urban Activist: And then as Muslims, you supposed to kneel down and take a piss. Like you not supposed to stand up and piss and all that. You feel me? So that like, no, he, good money. That's why, that's why you supposed to keep everything clean. It ain't supposed to be no piss around the seat. None of that. Like you feel me? Yeah. So he really, your man, he really showing etiquette and he care about himself, bro. Real shit. Deion: That's where it came from, and then, yeah. Poundcke: Okay. Deion: Yeah. Poundcke: ⁓ okay. Deion: Right, right. Poundcke: I don't know. Urban Activist: A little, you know, a little quick little health note, John, but yeah, bro, that's why a lot of black men and men. Deion: You Poundcke: You know it's crazy. It's crazy though. Look, my cheeks is going up because this the nigga from West Philly. Deion: You Urban Activist: And I ain't gonna lie, I don't kneel down all the time. I ain't about to sit down and you're mad, but at the same time I know I'm like, damn, I might pay for this at 54. You feel me? So it's like, damn, it's something I gotta start utilizing like real shit. And they don't tell us that in school. They ain't telling us that in a doctor's appointment, but they know the real deal. Deion: Yeah. Poundcke: ⁓ that's crazy. Deion: No. Poundcke: They not. Right. And this is why urban activists, mean, but you like, this is important. This is important. These conversations don't be had at all. I doubt it. Don't be had. Like, at all. Cause I thought, I ain't gonna lie. Me seeing that shit, and now that's a man tiger. I wouldn't know shit, no shit. I don't have a prostate. So I, course, like, you know what I'm But I hear them telling my bitch. Deion: Dude. Urban Activist: Shit. Okay. Poundcke: What wrong? Deion: Yeah. Urban Activist: Yo, I just did my research on the prostate, like, cause I always heard about it and all that. You know how you- Poundcke: Bizzan. Urban Activist: You feel me? That shit like behind your balls like in the like that's in the crazy spot period like if you see how it look you know like yo that y'all delicate bro you got really it mean so I start looking up more like but that's that's the information that dog a lot of black men need to know like even young black men bro we don't be worried about no prostate until you get prostate cancer you feel me and that's fucked up Poundcke: Right. Yeah? Mm-hmm. ⁓ Deion: And there's a lot more of that, you know what saying? Especially them understanding the genders and how we're to operate, you know what saying? Body-wise, astronomy and all of that, right? Like, you know I mean? So like, even women like, like jobs and them just did, you know, ⁓ they laid as addition to the family through what you call it, a doula. Poundcke: Mm-hmm, I do look. Urban Activist: Yeah, we had a home birth at the crib this time, Deion: And so all of that, that laying on your back, you know what mean? So like a lot of that stuff, man. Poundcke: That's, I love that. No, you supposed to squad. Urban Activist: It caused trauma. Like it caused trauma and all that. Like for real, my wife had my son squatting. That shit, it was like 13 pushes, dog. And Youngboy was out. You feel me? I was like, damn, like that shit. It seemed like it was so secret, bro, how everything went. And I wasn't there like trying to overpower, act like I knew what was going on and all that. I was there to assist. Poundcke: Thanks. I love it. Right. Urban Activist: You feel me? That's like, I'm here to assist, sure everything cool. Wife, you good? Ask my doula, yo, you good? You need anything from me? She like, no, you do this, you do that, all right, cool, say no more. Like, you feel me? Your expertise is your expertise. Now my son healthy as hell. You feel me? Like, he always had me, everything. Like, man, it wasn't none of that trauma shit. Poundcke: Right. I love it. Can I ask you a question? Oh, this is so beautiful. I can't, my cheeks, can't even go down. Cause I always inspired it. Like my whole motherhood, beginning of motherhood was very, very traumatic. But that's a story for another day. But did that make you feel more connected to your wife after that? Like did that make you really like, not just turn you on, but like, cause that strength, I know that strength made you turn you on. Urban Activist: Yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't even eternal. That shit was scary. To me, no, no, not scary like that. It was beautiful. Everything was like, you know mean? But I'm like, damn, this is really happening. When you hear about it or you see it, it's different because you're not experiencing it. But when you're right there, it's so sacred. I felt everything that she's feeling except the pain and pushing him out. You feel me? But everything else, I'm like, yo. Poundcke: It was scary, didn't make you like that's- Deion: Thanks. No. Urban Activist: Like, I some real shit. I cried when I seen that shit. Like, real rap. Like, I had the little tear. I said, dang. Poundcke: Right. But it didn't make you look at her like a little different at least, like, like, okay. Urban Activist: Oh yeah, yeah for sure. So much more like respect and like, you me? I've been married 13 years, dog. Like, you feel me? So like this shit, this shit real. Like we ain't playing this thing for play play. But like when we went through that, I'm like, yo, we really can do everything. Like, and we done got some, like we done did some big business. Like we done made the Washington Post. Poundcke: Yeah, yeah. Eeeee Deion: Okay. Okay. Poundcke: I learned it. Urban Activist: Letters from the house are represented, like all this shit through business and all that. But it's like that right there, I'm like, damn, like this is how, this is really humanity, bro. Like I ain't never feel more human than that. You feel me? Like, or more connected. Poundcke: I'm gonna do it. Deion: Thank you. Poundcke: Take me back to the roots. I'm telling you my ass. I to go to the woods. All right, my bad. Go ahead. Urban Activist: No, go ahead. That's what's up. Because maybe you can inspire more females to try it at least because them doctors don't really care as a check. You feel me? Deion: Okay. Poundcke: Like, I'm telling you, like... Yup, facts, it's a write-off. And I worked in the medical field as well. That's my back-lamp. But yeah, yo, like that, oh my gosh, that's so beautiful. I seen a lot of you. Deion: Thank you. ⁓ Urban Activist: Yeah, they told her, you might have to get a C-section. You know, they love throwing a C-section in there. She like, no, I had two other kids vagin... Well, she had one of them vaginally one C-section, you feel me? So she had all three ways. So she like, no, I'm like, I'm, gonna do it at the crib. So my doula came through like months, like for months. This wasn't just like she came at the last minute. Poundcke: I had one. Yeah. Deion: Okay. Poundcke: Yeah, because you got, it's a build up, the build the relationship. Urban Activist: She helping her work out and all that. Plus we already got a relationship with her. You feel me? So shout out to Breezy too. You feel me? Like, real rap, she the truth. She came through and cooked dinner, everything. You feel me? So like she was really thorough. Like I ain't gonna lie. And that made the experience like a thousand times better. now, like, yeah we done. But I'll definitely have another baby like that. You feel me? Poundcke: you Shout out to Breezy, the hottest doula in the city, you feel me? What? ⁓ to have another baby. I got baby fever. I'm still young, my ex still young saying, Wiggly, I'm about to see something. I'm about to have an 18 year old in two more weeks. Urban Activist: ⁓ that's what's up. Well, boy or girl. Deion: Yeah. Poundcke: Boy, he's 18. Yo, he be 18. So, shout out. Two time Special Olympics gold medalist, okay? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so, but I definitely want another baby. That's been on my mind. And it's like, it has. Huh? Urban Activist: Alright, alright, that's what's up, man. Deion: ⁓ man, you not, so you ain't early on to where you looking, you ain't expecting nothing from him, like grants and shit. Poundcke: ⁓ no, no, mm-mm. Deion: You still want, like for you. Poundcke: Yeah, yeah, yeah, cuz with my son's wouldn't, mean, wouldn't, shit, you, you know, the universe got the last say so, but... Deion: No, I'm saying in a sense, right, like you already had your kids or like he's up there now to where as though through five years he might have a kid and you might be a green. Poundcke: Right. So no, that's what I'm saying. With my situation, my son, I don't see my son having any children because he's special needs. So like, I don't know. mean, again, I don't know. just seen some shit and you got it right. It's the I just seen, they got some shit going on where they got them meeting up, linking up. They got their own little crew. Again, you got your own tribe of people. You just gotta fucking find them. Me personally, Urban Activist: Hey man, stopping nothing, you feel me? Deion: Ha ha ha! Urban Activist: He's an ugly, real weird dog. Poundcke: I mean, I know for like my baby, he will be having adult programs and stuff. He's in school up until he's like 21, 22. Those who don't know, 22 for PA, 21 for Jersey. If you have a special education or a special needs child, they pretty much can stay in school up until an adult, which is good because after that they have day programs. So they're not just sitting around at home or. Urban Activist: That's what's up. Deion: Awesome. Poundcke: you know, they get and it creates a life for them. You know what I mean? I'm looking forward to him. say like he I went on his prime, his first his first dance, all of that stuff. Now I'm just looking forward to his graduation. He graduate he graduate this year. But he'll still be. Yes, thank you. Thank you. Urban Activist: That's what's up, man. Congratulations to him and you mom, bro. Right? Because I know that shit wasn't easy. Like having kids is not easy, period. So we appreciate that. Poundcke: Yeah, man, I've been rocking with my baby for 17 and a half years, Dolo. I'm a reason by myself. With the exception, my mom, until my mom passed, though, my mom was quarterbacking for me. And then when she passed, it was just like, you know, us against the world. And that's what she used to always tell me is crazy. My mom used to always say that to me, it's me you against the world. Deion: Thank Yeah, I want to switch it right on the last of the agenda, right? It's probably a serious job. Poundcke: Mm-hmm. ⁓ come on, let's get deep. Deion: Like when it come to it, Like you said, you was raising your kid, Dolo. That's a lot of our stories, right? Like, so in the vein of it, our honesty don't allow for us to skip these, I don't wanna say mistakes, but you you come to find out that they be mistakes, right? Like, or in hindsight, you wish you never did it or whatever the case may be, right? So. Urban Activist: Thank Deion: If we was more honest, Um, do you think it would be better or like, because in hindsight we made, we made it through these things and it kind of build character and all of these things, right? Like, do you think that side would be, and I know we only, we, we only live through one way and we can't go back and relive the other way, but I'm just wondering, you know, future wise and people that haven't went through it. Urban Activist: . Deion: If they take he, like will it turn out to be better? You get what I'm saying? Urban Activist: . . Poundcke: What far as it being just a two-parent Deion: Like in the hood, right? It's like, probably fuck with a nigga, but you ain't really fuck with him. You had your own personal reasons. As the individual, we be having our personal drone, right? For men, most times, it's the big butt or the sexiness or whatever you wanna fuck, right? Mentally you probably wouldn't look at her the same like nah, you know what But they the ones you end up having babies with. Poundcke: I will. Deion: And that honesty to yourself is what create that. You get what I'm saying? Cause both parties don't be honest. Like they don't be honest to be like, damn like, no, that was that one drunk at night or like, you know what I'm saying? um, yeah, go ahead, my foot, I'll run to him. Urban Activist: Okay. . So Poundcke: ⁓ No, you good. I'm trying to catch it. Cause I thought I had it, but you lost me a little bit. So I just want to be clear. Like you basically saying like what we go after and wind up having children with is something like, is it like a repetitive ⁓ or are being honest with ourself or what we like or are being dishonest? Deion: Right, and then that lead into these situations we got in the hood. And you know what mean? A lot of times we be regretting having the kids, we be regretting all of these things, but it starts with that honesty to ourselves. Like, you knew it, like all these red flames before shit, you knew that. But instead you kept going, like, but that kept going was probably from your personal intent. Poundcke: Okay, gotcha, gotcha. ⁓ well. Well, you know, that just comes from a lack of self-esteem and not knowing who you are at the time. You know, a lot of times that's personal growth, that's personal development. That's what that is. Like, you got to know your worth and all that. All of that comes with trial and error though in life. We be growing, we be figuring ourselves out. So, you know, you may be attracted to a big butt girl, but wind up marrying a girl with no big butt with big ass titties. Urban Activist: Okay. Okay. Poundcke: And that's just because you wind up growing. It ain't the attraction of ass no more. It's more so like, you know, I'm attracted to a character. I'm attracted to her personality. I like to hear what she's saying all because these are things that I worked on with myself. So I'm, you know what I mean? So I feel like a lot of times that what we attract kind of sort of be a reflection of where we at at that time. And if you, if you, you young and you out here, you a guy, you look good, you popping it and all that, like, yeah, right now what's trending is fat asses. So, you know, I'm a run down on every fat ass joint I could get. They gonna wind up being my baby mom. Damn, you know? But I I chased the fat ass, I ignored the sign that the bitch always out. I ignored the sign that she don't know how to cook. I ignored the signs that, you know, and that's all because they ain't where you at personally. You just out here, you ain't working on yourself. You ain't figuring yourself out, you know? So. Urban Activist: you Okay. Poundcke: I think that's where that'd be. I think that'd be an internal struggle, but that's also trial and error as we grow. Like now, I know what to attract and I know what I can, I mean, it's all about discernment. When you have better discernment, discernment comes in when you got better understanding and awareness of who you are. Urban Activist: And they come with time you feel me like it's like you gotta put in time, you know, bro You know when you a young boy you 18 I'm gonna say 18 to like 25 like bro this shit Poundcke: That's that. Yeah Urban Activist: This is just your world to play with. Like none of those things is really in play right now. There's not no real responsibilities and shit like that. It's something, but it's not like now. Like now it's do or die. It's making a name for your family. It's protecting your family. It's protecting your livelihood and all of that. And like most of those things come with time. You feel me? So. Poundcke: Yeah. Urban Activist: My advice to like the youngins and all that who is chasing the fat asses and all that bro, chase the mentalities too bro. Ask these questions. Like just see, you feel me? Learn the person first before you just start having kids. So it's not like a mistake or you mad or none of that. Like all my kids is with the same female. Like I waited till I was a little older. I got all that shit out of my skin, So like I ain't really had them problems but. Poundcke: Thanks! Bye. Urban Activist: That's some advice that I would give to some of younger or like a younger self or myself too. Like, bro, be more wise in your decision. Poundcke: And I'm happy that it's a healthy example out here that's a young, like, cause you only one year younger, you're year younger than me. But it's a healthy example of a guy that like, that mean we were around the same age at the same time. Like there is a guy that out here that been with his wife for 13 plus years, all his kids about the same. Like they feel like that's that, like when you say that, that sounds like almost ⁓ extinct in the, in the, in the black community. I love that as an example, like, ⁓ my God, I'll be showing you off all the time. Sorry. Urban Activist: . Yeah. Poundcke: What you say all niggas what ah He's a waster wife 13 years all his kids about her. He got all his teeth She got all her here. They ain't stressed a day. Not to say y'all perfect But at the end of the day y'all knew how to make it work and y'all not living by no textbook shit like Buck was saying earlier like everything got it like y'all gotta listen to the outside world and let the outside world Urban Activist: none of that like Deion: Thank Poundcke: create a narrative in your fucking household? No. If we want to live like fucking Moana and them in our house, that's how we living. The fuck? Deion: Thank Urban Activist: Yeah, but don't get me wrong, you know that's shit creeping. That's the reality. Some shit, you know, we beef and go through shit as well. You feel me like, you man? Poundcke: That's what I'm saying though, but you can see the work. You can see the work, because 13 years, that mean you was willing to put in the work. wasn't one sided. It wasn't like whatever y'all went through, y'all got through it, y'all got over those hurdles. You was willing to fight. Y'all had to fight. That's the only way shit can last for 13 years. Y'all fought for each other. Motherfuckers like, I don't know. I don't know, man. That shit just made me happy though. Urban Activist: day or shit Deion: Thank Yeah. Poundcke: And then because I just hate that as a narrative, like you can't find nobody out here or actually be in a healthy relationship and that arguments is healthy. I hate when people make it seem like a relationship is unhealthy when you argue. No, you gotta argue because we need to see where the fuck we need to fix. Like where's the frustration at? Because an argument is only an underlying frustration that wasn't brought to the surface. Deion: Mm-hmm. Urban Activist: Mmm, that's a good jump, real rap, but that's a good breakdown like it. Deion: Yeah. And that's why I got into the convo about being honest. You know what mean? Because you've got to be honest. Like if you don't tell your mate, like I always tell people right in a relationship, I go to the extent of like, if I go to work as a man and I see a new coworker with a turkey or something, like I'm going to report it back to my lady and I'm going to tell her how I felt about it. Like I want the fuck. Poundcke: haha I feel good. ⁓ Deion: You feel what I'm saying? And that relieves me of the whole jump. You get what I'm saying? So. Poundcke: be walking on eggshells, ⁓ huh. Urban Activist: And then you ain't gonna do that shit either, cause he on your ass now, you feel? Like, bruh. Deion: You get what I'm saying? So it gotta be that type of honesty. Like if you into that freak shit like that, say it so that you won't have the temptations of going outside. You can have your mate to do it. If they not with it, they not with it. people gotta give people they God given ability to choose. Let me keep my rights to choose. Poundcke: Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Deion: If you in the threesomes and all that, let me know. Then I could choose and then we might make something happen. You feel what I'm saying? But to not be honest about all this shit, it's like, like you said, it'll reflect in the arguments. Poundcke: that's the way. But that's why, that's the whole point of about honesty. That's the whole point about choice, right? When you lie, you take away the choice. That's why there's a lot of liars the fuck out here. Cause they want to take away you of having a choice of dealing with this shit and not dealing with this shit. That's why there's a lot of motherfuckers out here that can't be honest with themselves and be honest with their partner. Because you want to take away their decision on whether they want to deal with this shit or not. Urban Activist: And, alright. Poundcke: That's why I like being honest. For one, I can't remember the shit that saved my life. So I tell a lie, I just review some shit like, damn, I said that, all right, then I'm busted. No, fuck that. I feel like when you lie, you scared. I don't fear shit. along, you feel me? I ain't, I don't. Deion: Thank Urban Activist: Yeah, that's that scary shit, bro. What you scared of? Like, be scared of God, dawg. Stop bitchin'. Deion: Insecurity. Insecurity. Poundcke: Facts, facts. I'd rather be comfortable like me personally and y'all get the vibe. Y'all know I'm I'm a guys girl. Like I hang with the fellas, I hang with the guys and shit like that. And I ain't had to be fucked on to hang with the guys. And I actually like hanging around the guys cause I didn't have to get fucked on. It was fucking on all my friends. So I, I was cool, but it was, I'm more so like both worlds. So I'm a, I look at it. I look, you know, up until now, you know, I had my love me experience last year, but I'm. I love being a man. I love being nominated sometimes. That girl shit, I'm just sorry. I just know you, I gotta pass you a pad. I'm like, bitch, like, yeah. I'm just, but. Deion: you Urban Activist: And it ain't no getting over on each other either, probably. Like, it's none of that shit, like, cause it's like, bro, it's... Damn, that's a tough job, bro. Like, are y'all both mad at the same time? Like, all right, who gonna fix it? Nobody gonna fix it. All right? Poundcke: Bye! ⁓ Unless she was a people pleaser like me, when I used to be dwelling in that energy, I used to not even say shit. I wouldn't even open my mouth just to avoid an argument. Just so we won't have an argument. And after I realized, was like, shit ain't right because that bitch was doing all this manipulation, all this playing in your face, all this dissing the third. I know, come on, snap the fuck out of it. Deion: That come with that masculinity instructions that we got, you know what mean? Like, stand down from arguing with women and all of that. Like, you feel me? So we get to a point where we don't even relieve ourselves of the stuff we really feel. You know what mean? And that's why I'm saying that's what's all a part of all of this stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, you gotta tell people. Poundcke: Yeah? Yeah. Urban Activist: . . Poundcke: Yeah? Deion: But people like the games though too. Like they like the games like, and for some reason like, like you were saying earlier, like y'all gotta do them tests. You know what saying? And sometimes them tests be like, it'll fuck you up. You feel me? Cause the biggest one that came from slavery, right? Is like women having the need to test their man on security and protection. Poundcke: Yeah, I don't fuck with that. I don't like this shit. Deion: because of the trauma and all that that we done been through, you feel me? Like you will find a lot of women getting into stuff with other men just to touch how they man, and all of that. And that's hard. Poundcke: That's ridiculous. That's stupid. That is stupid. Urban Activist: Right, what if that nigga was drunk and he filed a test, boy, he really like you? You know what mean? But it's that fat ass that he wanted or something. Like, man, you salty. But like... Poundcke: Yeah, no, but that shit is dangerous. And that's why I more so don't agree with it because again, me being raised by a lot of masculine energy is like, I wouldn't want to pit nobody that I love in harm's way. That's putting my man in harm's way. Because we are in an era where it was the same where you shouldn't wear white sneaks unless you was about that life. Because if a nigga step on your white sneaks, you could die. Do you I'm saying? Urban Activist: Thank Thank ⁓ Poundcke: That shit is senseless to me. would never test that security now. If we do so happen, if the universe actually put me in a position where I got to see if this nigga fight or flight, but I'm always cool. I'm always make sure I protect it. That's just only because, again, I was raised by a man. So he taught me to make sure I could protect myself. But I wanna see how he react there. Now, if he diffuse it, you know, cause I don't... I don't think my niggas gotta be out here like Tommy Hearns or Mike Tyson fighting niggas that will put a shoe in that niggas are clutching and all that cool shit. But if a nigga check you and say something to you, I'ma see how you respond for sure. But that situation got a hat. That situation. But this is the look, right? This is how you know. This is why I don't say a motherfucker is my walkie, my roadie, my bunkie, my homie, my ace until we in a real situation. Urban Activist: Right then they go run you've done ⁓ Poundcke: Then I can say that. I don't really say that shit so fast because I've been ran on. I've been jumped. I've been shot. Like, no, I need to know. if my man, if a nigga like say something to my nigga, he defuse the situation. He got the emotional intelligence to defuse the situation. I ain't looking at him as a pussy. I'm looking at his like, damn, he did protect me because he got us home safe. This nigga might not be back and I might have left my shit in the car. I always got a poker with me though. But his situation. Deion: Yeah Right. You Urban Activist: Okay, we're good. Poundcke: That situation could escalate. How he handle that situation, he let me know what type of man I'm dealing with. ⁓ this nigga play chess, not checkers. Now, this nigga on some shit, just letting a man talk to him all crazy. Yeah, by the time he turn around, I probably be back at the fucking car. Because, no, you gotta check the situation. It's like, you gotta know. Urban Activist: you Deion: Yeah. But let me say this too though, Pam, while you're in the middle of that, as a woman, you got feelings. So when you hear it, it penetrates your ears differently, But as a man, the way somebody else talks shouldn't affect you. You get what I'm saying? So even in the vein of a situation between men and what you appear to be like, Poundcke: and holocism. Happy B. Deion: A man getting talked to all crazy. I don't have no movement when men get all excited like that. That tell me you've been raised by your mom. Cause you get loud and all of that. men do like, and tell, if we can't have a conversation where you, like you jittery, you moving all the time and you itching, like you got a fire back with a sassy jawn and all of that. It's like, that's not man shit. Urban Activist: They gonna fucking touch me though, Poundcke: You Deion: You know what saying? Like when you've been around me and shit, you really understand. And so a lot of times what y'all get previewed with is some... Like, because women react like that. They jump off the fire, correct? Urban Activist: next time. Poundcke: No, but I could, yeah, I definitely could tell a stoic man, like I could tell you stoic just by how you react. You say, don't, if somebody's on a brawler, you don't really react on like that. But me personally. Urban Activist: Not me. You feel me? I don't play that shit. I ain't at that point yet. Deion: especially when you know what you can do. You get what I'm saying? Especially when you know what you can do to a person and then you understand the bigger narrative of how somebody try and control you. And... Poundcke: But you know me personally, it's the tone. It's the tone. It's the tone. Deion: Yeah, see that's you got your triggers and shit, you feel me? Urban Activist: Hey Poundcke: It's home and that's what I'm working on. That's what I'm working on. I promise you, honey. I'm working on I'm doing good like Universe been sending me some tusses and I've been really passing them. I've been really passing them and I'm so proud of myself. I'm really like, yeah, cause like, yeah, I'm one of them, but I've really, damn it's crazy. My sister couldn't pop over here because that's what I get what you saying when you talk about the Deion: So I get it. Poundcke: the pop off when it comes to women, like females, like we really like, we react before we actually process the thing. Like we quick to do it like that, especially if we go, if we feel unheard, if we are females that actually been through some shit where we couldn't get our point across, or we was always over talked, or we felt unseen, we would definitely be, we the type that'll react real fast. That'd be triggers, it'd definitely be triggers. Urban Activist: Okay. Deion: Mm-hmm. But for a man to move off of a man words, then to me, you can be manipulated. And that's what women should look at for men and protection. Because if you can get manipulated, then you can be taken away from me easily. You get what I'm saying? Poundcke: That's weakness. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Urban Activist: And there's a difference too, you feel me? It's like, all right, it depends. Like if this nigga talking crazy and you look scared and you did it like. fuck all that, you feel me? But if you just holding your ground and you just looking like, cause one thing as men bro, we always assess the situation first, like you feel me? Cause nigga, just like I can get hurt, nigga, you can get hurt too. Don't get it fucked up. So men conduct themselves a certain way and it's about how you enter that, you mean that conflict, bro. So a lot of that already saw it cause you know that me and him, we not men that you just going. Poundcke: break. Deion: Are you? Poundcke: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Urban Activist: be talking all crazy to you, can tell by how we carry it. You feel me? But if you gotta just, if you just look scared and you acting scared and you not defending your manhood, you not standing on your square, bro, like you give somebody grounds to talk to you and do all that shit. You feel me? Poundcke: Your demeanor, yeah? And I'm telling you. ⁓ That's a part of your nature though. I'm telling you, it's like the alpha wolf. Niggas know an alpha, smell an alpha when they see one and when they around one. They know what niggas gonna be on that and they know niggas that's not gonna be on that. Like you said, they assess the situation. They already peaked what nigga they can do that with or they'll fuck around and find out if they don't. Deion: Give me your inspectors. Urban Activist: First of all, I know where you got to. And that's why most of the time it don't even be like that, especially of men at our age. like, we on something like, listen, bro, we gonna come to it. respect you but you definitely gonna respect me you feel me right Poundcke: Right. Respect me. That's why I say it. Like I never pick a nigga. never, again, I never even called like anybody that if I was in a situation with a guy like I tell people all the time, my girlfriends would be like, yeah, I beat my nigga. did this. I did that. Only person I put my hands on and that was my very first time with my baby father. And that was only because. Deion: Thank Poundcke: That nigga just did some out of pocket shit and it just took me overboard. But I never put my hands on men, ever. Ever, ever, ever. My grandfather always told me, if I put my hand on a man, be prepared to have a 50-50 chance of dying. I never put my hand on a man. And that's real shit. I like, but my baby, like I said, my baby. Urban Activist: And that's good advice, but like a real man ain't going, you feel me? It's no point to that. Poundcke: You know he was a country nigga, no country nigga. Urban Activist: Let this sit out, you real... Choke you up, nip-nip. Poundcke: My grandfather was like 6'1 big as shit. Like, them niggas backyard rasslers and shit. But he always, yeah, he was like, that's why I said that, your hands on men and all that shit. But I actually seen and dealt with men that actually was beat on by women. I just was like, I was like, man, that's a whole different ball game. I'm like. Deion: Thank Urban Activist: Anyway. And that's a bad joke, cause that's still abuse, you feel me? Like that's abuse like a motherfucker, cause like at the same time this man could really fucking hurt you. You feel me? But he trying his best not to do that shit. It's not cause he's scared. It's not cause of none of that shit. It's out of respect. Deion: Thank Poundcke: That you feel me? That's what I'm saying. Yup. He not too. That's mental. That's physical and mental abuse on a man. Real shit. That's physical and mental abuse on a man. And I'm just like, you know, in a man's perspective, I'm just like, damn, that's nutty. Cause I would hate to just sit there and watch like, yo, like, wait, what? I couldn't stomach seeing a woman. Just like I couldn't stomach a man. I don't like that shit. I just don't like it. don't like it. Thank God I never been in an abusive relationship. Like I think I got in one incident with a nigga from the Urban Activist: is Agni. Poundcke: from the P tried to play with me and I pissed the whip down. That was that one incident ever in my life. I had to deal with it. I never had to. I never had to. Deion: Thank Urban Activist: I'm probably ain't do that shit no more either. No, no, I said he probably ain't never do that shit no more. ⁓ Deion: Thank Poundcke: But I don't know. Last time, I don't know if he married or whatever he got going on there. I don't know, he long gone, but yeah, that was anything. what? You know who I am? Stop playing. But yeah, I'm glad, but I've actually sat alongside women that were survivors of domestic abuse. And one guy that I dealt with domestic abuse, and that leave a heavy fucking stain on the person, man. Deion: Thank you. ⁓ Poundcke: That dude, that'd be even heavy staining on a person. And I'd just be like, yo. And there's so many women out here and men that went through it. But of course I know more women than I do men. So there's more women out, there's a lot of women out here that went through that shit. And I've realized that some of them women will never have a healthy relationship in their life. Deion: Mm hmm. Urban Activist: So look, but before we end this job, right? I just want to ask a question like it's like a two-part question like what does a healthy man look like to you and like What's some advice for a man you feel me that it like that to help us with these situations when we go through with our women like what's some advice that you can do a man to be a better man you feel me Poundcke: ⁓ wow. Urban Activist: You mean? Because like this shit, this shit that we don't never get the eggs and this shit that you know people need the hair like. Poundcke: I know, right? All right, ask me the first question so I can answer that. Answer the first question first. Urban Activist: or what does a healthy man look like today? Poundcke: Or to me or today. Urban Activist: today to you. Poundcke: Okay, so a healthy man to me looks like aware. He looks aware, looks like awareness. He looks just aware of his self, who he is, like, firm in who he is, confident in who he is. ⁓ Love his self, it's visible. It's visible that he's well-grouped, know, smell good, you know. ⁓ His mental health, like his mental capacities, like he can hold the conversation. That's healthy to me. That lets me know that his mental awareness is intact. know, how he acts in public is healthy. Just show how he conducts himself. That's what a healthy man looks like to me. A healthy man looks to me like he loves himself. That's what a healthy man looks like to me. Let me know you love yourself. All right, yeah. Urban Activist: All right. Deion: you Urban Activist: I hope y'all out here listening, bro. You feel me? This is not us. Like, you feel me? Like, for real. Poundcke: Yeah, because if you love yourself, I know you can love me. You know, I know you can love me and care about me if you love yourself. Like you gotta take pride in yourself. love when I see, you know, that plays a part. That go both ways, but it definitely, since we talking about, you know, the man. Yeah, when I see a man with a nice, you know what mean? Looking good, nice cut, teeth, brushed. you I mean? Urban Activist: No, I'm happy you put emphasis in that. Cause all that, that shit that be in the cranks and all like, bro, that ain't excessive. I mean, that ain't acceptable dog. And people can notice that shit dog. Poundcke: But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. then, know, a healthy man, yeah, a healthy, a nice looking healthy man today looks like he loves, he's loving on himself. And that goes in all categories, physical, mental, and emotional. Urban Activist: I'm gonna let you ask a question, bro. Before I open the floor to her to ask us any questions that she would want to know. You feel me? Poundcke: ⁓ wait, was another part to that question though? What was the other one? Deion: Yeah. Urban Activist: ⁓ yeah, I'm a, I'm a let bro go in. Poundcke: Alright, alright. I'm warm, Deion: Hmm. What do want me to do? Poundcke: He said he wants you to ask something before he opened it up for me to ask. Because he had a good question. wanted me to know, you know, get the ladies with the ladies with the man and help a man. Deion: Or you want me to respond or you want me to like give a question. Urban Activist: No, I want you to ask a question to a female for the female perspective. Poundcke: You weren't you guys the person. Deion: ⁓ So my job be like, all right, my job, like now that we got to this space, right? And if we can get to a space of honesty and all that, you think like the genders could be friends? Patonic, like. Poundcke: For sure, for sure. I believe that every male that comes in our lives, women is not supposed to have sex with. Honestly, I have a lot of male friends that I never hunched on or never even thought of hunching on. And I don't know how they like, they be honest with me. They'll be honest with me, but even if they, but they respect me. So it's a boundary in place. Like if I had no boundary, it could go up. Because you know, it's a man, you know what I'm saying? But because I had those boundaries in place, they know ain't nothing. So it's like, okay, they know how to carry me. I know how to carry them. Again, honesty. Honesty helps with the situation. I had some of my old friends that were like, I ain't gonna lie, I'm gonna bust your ass. And I'd be like, aw. But you know, like, bro. Urban Activist: Okay. Deion: Thank Poundcke: I'd rather have you for a long term than the short term because you never know where it may go. And if it do go south, I mean, I don't want to tarnish or damage how I look at you. I'd rather just, let me have you in this way. All these bitches won't have you, but I'ma have you have you. Deion: All right. right and the sex could be awesome and all of that but it could end that jawn and therefore it's not worth it Poundcke: And now we just attached to sex. So now it ain't a bonding, ain't a friendship, it ain't nothing, it's just sex. So yeah. So I got male friends that, yes, I never did anything with, and I'm happy that I could say that again. I'm like I said, the best of both worlds. I'm a bae bro. I can be your bae and I can be your bro. I can watch a game with you. I can, you know, do the thing with you. Urban Activist: and I believe it's. Deion: Yeah Urban Activist: All right. ⁓ Deion: You Urban Activist: Big, big. That's what's up, man. Poundcke: So that's what I feel like with Branch It. We all don't have to piss sex in our friendships. And I do know some friendships that people that, you know, if they still both single and they have sexual relations, they still can be friends. That's the thing too. But at the same time, it's all about honesty. Like Buck said, it goes back to motherfuckers being real with each other. Just be real with me. Keep it big. Keep it big. If we're gonna keep it playin', make sure it's two controllers. Urban Activist: Like only the batteries out my shit Poundcke: Don't have me thinking I'm playing my shit dead Deion: Lord, brother me, like, you child, Lord, brother me. Poundcke: Yeah, you know, probably Given the work at the controller ain't working no batteries in it. He act like they keep playing this shit Urban Activist: Mr. Red. Deion: You Poundcke: Out of pocket. Urban Activist: That's what I'm gonna do, that's it. So yeah, man, before we end this, y'all, right? You got any questions for us, man, or some advice or whatever, you know? Deion: Amen. Poundcke: All right, so I'ma go back to the second part of the question that you had asked and what advice that I could give to a man of like close to a woman. I think I'ma do both. ⁓ And I'ma keep it short this week. Women, ⁓ listen to comprehend. Don't stop listening to respond. That's for the women. Men. Urban Activist: strong John. Poundcke: Be open. I know it's hard, because you know sometimes there be certain situations you don't want to be open about, but just try to be open and see how it feels. On a certain, on a situation, it could be any situation, just be open to it. It may be something that she been wanting to do and you ain't really fucking with it, but just give it a try, be open to it. For example, that might not be the exact thing, but just for example. That's it. And now for y'all. Deion: Thank It's a bit. Mm-hmm. Poundcke: Smooth, pretty much like I'm just blown away by you and your wife and your whole thing. Like I'm just blown away by it because you giving me hope. I ain't gonna lie. You giving me hope. What do you feel? What do you feel? Urban Activist: All right. Deion: Thank Poundcke: about your marriage that, hmm, damn, I had it, but I lost it. All right, let me just ask this. How do you feel, do you feel that marriages can still, coming from 13 years, do you feel like, it's still a possibility of having long-term marriages? Deion: Mm-hmm. Urban Activist: ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's like is First of all, I gotta be the right person like the energy's got a match and then there's like you got to be able to go through shit and grow through shit you feel me cuz You know, we are we won't go through shit regardless, but like you always got to ask yourself Why are you with this person? You feel me? What's the benefits you got way to pros and cons basically? Deion: Thank Poundcke: Mm. Okay, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Urban Activist: And if it's more pros than cons, like you, you good. You can't get all pros, but if you get all cons, get the fuck out of there. Like if it's more cons than pros, get up out of there. You feel me? But if it's way more pros, like in my situation though, my wife, made me a better guy. Like she, she tested my abilities, shit that I didn't even know that I had like with skill sets and with. Poundcke: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. HAHAHAHA you Uh-huh. Urban Activist: You know, I always wanted to run a business and all that shit, but once I told her and expressed that to her, like she helped me put that shit in formation and she tested my skills. She was booking shit that I never did before. And I'm like, damn, why would you book this shit? I ain't never do that. But once I actually did it and then accomplished it, I was like, yo, like this is it. This is I want on my team. You feel me? So like that's. This shit definitely can work, but it's like we gotta stop looking in the traditional areas. Like we not just gonna go find love in the club every time. It ain't gonna be in church all the time. It ain't gonna be in the jit all the time. It be them places where you least expect it for real. For real shit, like is that one joint you holding off? Like, man, I do wanna do it, but I ain't do it yet. Just try it. Poundcke: Yes. And resuspected. Well they're their friends, Zonda! They're their friends, Zonda! Urban Activist: Just try it, real rapid. Then that might be the person that change your fucking life for the good. You feel me? you know, it's always gonna give you the example. Life gonna give you the example. So that's why I'm focused on putting out the right thing so I get the right thing back. You feel me? So people focus on that. If you know you're gonna be a good wife, not just like the term wife. If you understand what a wife is and different things like that and you Poundcke: Okay. Okay. Urban Activist: You set your shit up to be that, it's automatic. A man gonna be like, oh yeah, they gonna sharpen they shit up to get that. So it's definitely hope, but it's like we gotta throw away all of what we think this is and what we think we know and all that shit. Yeah, all of that shit be bullshit, bro. It's all in the hair and the hair. You feel me? So it's definitely hope. It ain't no age limit. It ain't none of that. Poundcke: in them. That external shit, yeah? Yeah. I love that, period. All right. Deion: year. Poundcke: What do have for you? do I have for you? Buck, what is your ideal woman? Deion: ⁓ man. Urban Activist: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, ⁓ Poundcke: I'm so curious. Deion: Thank Poundcke: I already knew I had my questions for y'all before I came see I was prepared Y'all thought y'all was gonna catch me like it? Nope, I was prepared Deion: Thank I just like a real woman, know what mean? Like one that knows her existence, you know what saying? And accountable, responsible, and just honest, you know what I'm saying? You know, that's really it. Like, them top things, like, you feel me? Because you can be insecure, you can be all of that, but if you're honest about it, it's cool. Poundcke: Mmm, guys. Deion: See what I'm saying? So all of that stuff just don't. And if you're moving over somebody else's oleology that existed before we got here, I can't really. But we all do it, you feel me? We come into this world and they told us we should be married to one person. And that's what we're doing. And then we having the most problems from it. And we wondering why it's because it's not from. Poundcke: Bye, cuz that's weird. one. Deion: from us, you get what I'm saying? So, them two people meeting is like, like with bro and his wife. Bro was doing his thing, you feel me? Like, and he ain't have it in sight to stop. It was how his shit was, how they shit was written. You feel me? Like, they met and they expected, you know what I'm saying? So. Urban Activist: . Poundcke: and Right. Deion: Those the type of things that really matter, you get me, and they got the most impact. So if you out looking for men and looking for your right person and all that, it's like, you're gonna run into so many wrong people. Poundcke: next. Deion: And when it's time, like your person to find you or y'all find each other, you feel what I'm saying? And you won't have to ask no questions, because it'll just be. You know what I mean? And so, like I said, if you buying into the aliology that exists, then you'll know the answer to why everybody's relationship's fucked up. Because they all following the same Poundcke: That's it. Thanks. Deion: and like creed and all of that. You get what I'm saying? Like, and girlfriends and guys not being honest, you on the phone with your girlfriend, you know what she doing, but you not telling her the real deal. Like, and we got co-dependent relationships, right? Where as long as you fucked up, like I could be good. So I'm not going to tell you nothing right. You get what I'm saying? Urban Activist: Okay. you Poundcke: Mm. That's That's toxic. Ew. Deion: So you got so many of those type of relationships like girlfriends and you know what mean? Even with guys and girls, you not going, most guys not going to tell a joint, her pussy stink or whatever like, cause he still might want to hit it again. You know what saying? Like a lot of times like women, you know, don't want to fully get rid of a man number cause she might need them again. Urban Activist: . . Poundcke: That is true. That is true. Deion: but you not being honest about that and telling the other person this all hush-hush secret secret then it's like when a motherfucker end up in a car with 16 bullets in the head it's like just a fucking problem because you not being honest and nobody like to be playing like that you get what I'm saying but you wanna keep playing with the fire and Urban Activist: . Poundcke: What I mean is... Deion: And then when it's time when you really mature and ready to get in a relationship now you wanna be serious, it's just gonna turn back around on you. Now you getting done with all the bullshit you done put out. You get what I'm saying? Poundcke: Yeah. That car-matic energy. Deion: You know what mean? So my woman just gotta be receptive to, like, just being. Poundcke: And Polly, basically. That's what it sounds like to me. Your woman has to be in Polly. Deion: No, no, like whatever it is, like it don't. No, no, I'm sorry. Poundcke: Because he first, because what he led with, you know, I listened. What he led with was the, you know, the textbooks should see me personally. I never really been, I don't know. I don't mind help the fuck. I don't know why people were so against it. So on this monogamy shit. I mean, it's cool, but I would not mind help. And then again, me because of my, because of how I. Urban Activist: Just. . Poundcke: Because of what I've been through and who I am and what I'm spiritually awoken in and know, I know the background of men and your whole thing is, you like what you're like, but I don't know. I never really cared about the whole, I wouldn't care if I was monogamous or, I don't know. Me personally, I'm just free. I don't care. I really don't care. I really don't care. Urban Activist: . Deion: Yeah, and you know where it even come from though? The sense of ownership. Poundcke: Yeah. Deion: You know what mean? Like when you think that you own something, you know what mean? Like you don't want that to go anywhere else but with you. You get what I'm saying? So it's like, and it's possession. Poundcke: Well, yeah, but not, but yeah, I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying, but that's because that person is looking at you as an item and not as a person. You you got to put the human in it. I think we take human away from a lot of things. Like we take the idea of a person, like we say a man and a woman, but we're also human. So yeah, like, no, I mean, a man has feels, like a woman has feels. We all have senses. We got six senses. Like, you know, you get aroused by certain shit. I get turned on by certain shit. Like, you got to understand that. me personally, I don't know. Like, me, I just don't. Yeah. But okay, but okay. So you on the song? Deion: Yeah Urban Activist: Thanks, man. Deion: But let me ask you this, right? With the idea of it being more women in the world than men, do you think it should be? Poundcke: We suppose this here. Yeah, guys, come on. Cause I don't feel like cooking tonight. Can you cook? Yes, girl. All right, cool. I got them first. Like, yo, my June on, what's up? You know our man got to go ahead. All right, cool. I got them in six more days. I got them in five more days. Like me personally, always, and my girlfriends, I always get this face. Like. Deion: You You know it. Poundcke: How you sharing your man, You sharing your man voluntarily or involuntarily? Like, you're... Urban Activist: Because neither one of us can control each other forever forever. Poundcke: You feel what I'm saying? Like, so, like you, how you want to share them? Do you want to share them knowingly or unknowingly? Deion: What? Poundcke: Come on. And then, know, with my religious background, ideally, if I marry a Muslim man, ⁓ if he wants another wife, he can have another wife. I don't feel like I'm against that because I know that I'm... Deion: Yeah, that's a really sweet- But that's with your permission, Poundcke: Yeah, with my permission, of course. But it's like, you know, and I wouldn't go against it if it was offered to me. I wouldn't go against it. Hell yeah, I want some help. I see all of the shit that one woman has to do and I've been doing it. in multiple, and I've been a wife to niggas that ain't even been a husband. If y'all wiping when I'm spraying. I've been, I never had a ring. Deion: Hmm. Poundcke: I got proposed to a couple of times, but I never actually had a ring sit on that bitch. Like in this day, I ain't got a tan. I ain't got a tan on that shit at all. God, at all. So me personally, it's just like, know what a wife, like what being a wife all entails. And I just know that it would be so much easier if it was multiple of us than just one. I feel like women will have a more mental space, mental. Deion: it. Poundcke: You know how many women that's been married that says that they had to let their life go, or they had to stop doing what they was doing the whole day in the house to raise kids, or let their husband go to work so they couldn't move and they had to leave their dreams behind. Imagine just having a husband and you having a co-wife to where as though your husband could go to work, your co-wife could stay home and raise the kids and have, if she choose to have children, she can have children, raise the kids, you can go out and do what you gotta do, swap. It's just like, it goes back to community. It goes back to a village. It goes back to what the fuck we was before Europeans invaded. See what I'm saying? Like that lifestyle was our lifestyle. Kings had multiple wives. Like even if you want to take religion out the aspect for those who's against religion, take religion out when we had kings, emperors, and emperorses, multiple wives. Deion: Bye. Poundcke: Like that's how we live, that's how we thrived. So I feel like that's another disconnect too of why motherfuckers are stupid. Cause it's like men is holding back their desires and stuff like that. now, or they have women that, you know, they feel like they can't be open again, honest with, you know, come home, damn babe, sure you had a turkey at work. Now you getting this shit thrown at you now you got an attitude. I hope none of these bitches want to be with they nigga then cause that's all that's on there is jerkeys. Deion: Mm-hmm. Poundcke: You better not, I'm telling y'all now, if y'all don't want y'all, if you don't want to get mad at the n***a, don't put a 2B movie on. It's all, it's every bitch on that joint got to hear. Urban Activist: Real rap, dog. Every John, dog. There's always some bullshit. Like, everything. Every John, bro. There's always some shit. Deion: Thank Poundcke: Every June, but. But again, when you inspire your person and you know your person and you're locked in, that's what I'm saying. It's the locked in part for me. It's the locked in part. I'm like, I'm locked in, I'm locked the fuck in. I'm loyal to the studio. It's crazy for me. But I, my life. But yeah, that shit dope. You gotta understand it with your significant other, fuck the world. Like we got multiple people. Now, I feel like they abusing it a little bit now. These little nasty ass people on TikTok, these relationships, these couples, this ill. I don't know what they doing. I think they see that people was looking in on it and now they wanna do it. But that's the unhealthy way. The healthier way is definitely when you got three adults, four adults or however you wanna do it. Urban Activist: . And there's a mission behind it. It's a community, a tribe. These real shit. But it gotta be there though. And they all parties gotta be in agreeance. Poundcke: And y'all gotta understand that we gonna build the village. We gonna have our house. We gonna make sure we cool. All right, yeah. You feel me? A purpose is intentional. Yeah, like. We in it. Thanks. Urban Activist: It ain't no withholding information. This ain't no cop shit. Real life every day. So So yeah, yo, give them... So yeah, man, give them your handles and all that. Give them your social handles and let us know your next shows and all that. Poundcke: Right, right. Yeah, I don't mind him. So I hope y'all I hope y'all editing this and chopping it up. This is a long ass podcast. People gonna listen this long. Y'all gonna edit it. Some people. Don't worry, they better. So any hints. I'm Poundcake, Miss Poundcake on Instagram. Poundcake you the bomb. That's P-O-U-N-D-C-A-K-E-Y-O-U-D-A-B-O-M-B. Because I'm the bomb. go tick tick. Deion: Something new. Something new. Poundcke: And yeah, that's on all platforms. Except for Facebook. If you're like my age and up, if you're on Facebook, Facebook shut down at nine o'clock. That's all this shit. They all this shit over there on Facebook. But if you're on Facebook, it's Jenna the social loner. Jenna, J-A-N-N-A-H, social loner. But that's it. ⁓ my gosh, this was so fun. Deion: Thank Thank Thank Poundcke: Can we have a conversation off here? Like, can we get like a call or like on the iPhone? Y'all got iPhones? All right. We got to connect off of this. Cause this is so good. I want the conversation to end. Unless y'all got work and shit to do. I know you're mad. I know you got intended your wife and I know you, I know what's going on, but I feel like talking still. Deion: in the world. Urban Activist: All right. Poundcke: Thank y'all so much for having me. Thank y'all so much for having me. And y'all wherever y'all at across the globe around the world, make sure you're tuned into this podcast. This is a vibe cast, this is a real cast, this is a thorough cast, you feel me? We got my man Urban Activist and Buck. Buck, what else is attached to your name? Is it just Buck? Urban Activist: Okay. Okay. Deion: Yeah, but not look Poundcke: Alright, you got, we just, we, and it's just bought, you feel me? Y'all, thanks to y'all. Deion: No, it's it's but darkness, you know what I'm You know that. You know that. Poundcke: ⁓ Buck doctors and he ain't without the doctor's degree. All right. Dr. Buck, I'm talking to ⁓ you. You gotta give me a prescription. Deion: Word. Well, thank you for joining us. You know what saying? Tell them to your next show. Poundcke: Okay, so I got loads of shit coming up so ⁓ This Thursday 16th Cigar cold aka Club Roar Delaware Av show started at 7 p.m. ⁓ 17th I think I have a show. I'm not sure I gotta figure it out, but the 18th I have a show ⁓ So I gotta figure it out, but don't worry about it. If y'all go on my Instagram and y'all get in get in my Instagram I'll have everything up there the flyers in my broadcasting channel Join my group the Cakery 215 jump into it's 291 people. I can't believe it's 291 people in my broadcast the channel I don't be talking about shit with just reposting shit, but I love that for me But make sure y'all tune into my broadcast channel become a part book and sometimes I post little polls in there Little stuff in there little pictures of me that I don't post on Urban Activist: Okay. I think. Poundcke: ⁓ In my stories and stuff and all that so y'all got access to that. But yeah Deion: Yeah, for sure. Appreciate you again, pal. Like, you're excited. Urban Activist: This was a great episode. Poundcke: Thank you for having me. Deion: Yeah, you're insidious. Poundcke: What episode, wait, I need to know, because I love numerology. What episode number is this? Deion: This is gonna be seven. Poundcke: Yeah, dog, that's crazy. all right, so real quick. Seven has been, all right, I'm from 17th Street, 17th, New York, so I broke the seven. My mom passed on 7-Eleven. So seven, like 7-Eleven, every time I see 7-Eleven, a seven is always dear to me. Dang, so seven, oh, that's heavy. That is heavy, that's just, that's just, all right. Yes, for sure, for sure. Deion: years. Urban Activist: So was Matt. Deion: Now you can add four or seven to it, you know what I'm Yeah, she hates you. We gon' definitely tap back in, you know what I'm saying? And we ain't like we supposed to, but we appreciate your insight, heck of a perspective. And I mean that we only can get it through your view of the elephant, through your life, your journey. You get what I'm saying? But I know it's gonna be appreciative to all genders. Poundcke: Yeah, for sure. All right. Urban Activist: Okay. Mm hmm. Poundcke: Okay. Deion: whoever watched, you know what mean? And that's the purpose of Bridging the Gate. Another value shift, you know what mean? Poundcke: It should be. And guess what? Everything I say is my point of view. You understand what I mean? ⁓ whatever you can take from it, you take from it. Feel what I'm saying? Whatever I say during this podcast today, take what you can take, this card don't apply to you. Deion: Until the next time. Urban Activist: This is the volume shift. Poundcke: I am shift.