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Steve Price | 11 April · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price working a Friday night Steve
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Speaker 1: Price with your full coverage of course of week two
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Speaker 1: of this public holiday interrupted election campaign coming up on
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Speaker 1: the show, and after a rocky start, i'd give probably
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Speaker 1: week two to Peter Dutton, let's get stuck into it.
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Speaker 1: Coming up on the program on that election. If the
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Speaker 1: Coalition have any hope of winning on the third of May,
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Speaker 1: they have to turn Victorian's anger aimed at a dysfunctional
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Speaker 1: state labor government and stick it to Anthony Albanesi. We
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Speaker 1: will take you to the outer Melbourne seat. It's a
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Speaker 1: must win seat for the Liberals. We'll go to Aston
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Speaker 1: on the program tonight also might be time for the
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Speaker 1: Coalition to unleash their not so secret weapon, Senator Jacinta
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Speaker 1: nampajimp for Price more widely onto the front line. In
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Speaker 1: my view, she's a gun. And we'll catch up with
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Speaker 1: the Senator in wa the territories her patch. And you
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Speaker 1: have to listen to what the offshore worker thought of
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Speaker 1: a visit to Darwin today by the PM. Have a look,
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Speaker 1: no one's going to vote for him, no one here
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Speaker 1: so we all work off shore and no one's going
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Speaker 1: to vait for him.
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Speaker 2: We're going to go for Dune.
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Speaker 1: He's not great, but he's good. We all work off sure,
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Speaker 1: and we're only for Peter Dutton. No love lost there
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Speaker 1: And could it finally be times up for Dan Andrews' replacement,
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Speaker 1: Premier Justin Alan in Victoria the herold's unreporting midweek numbers
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Speaker 1: are being counted, She of course denies it, and the
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Speaker 1: Lives Beverly MacArthur will come up next and she'll give
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Speaker 1: us her view on what's going on inside the Labor Party.
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Speaker 1: But first, we are two weeks now into the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five election campaign and we've seen this week on
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Speaker 1: Sky News the Leader's Debate, the Treasurer's debate with the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister and Peter Dutton taking questions from an audience
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Speaker 1: of undecided voters. Now I might be in the majority here,
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Speaker 1: but I think Anthony alban Easy looked, forced, awkward and
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Speaker 1: wary of Peter Dutton and Tuesday night gave the opposition
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Speaker 1: leader a much needed personal boost in his own confidence.
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Speaker 1: And when you have to think about it, he did
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Speaker 1: that all the while knowing that his father in Queensland
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Speaker 1: had just suffered a heart attack. I mean, confidence is
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Speaker 1: everything in these election campaigns in these contests, but have
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Speaker 1: a look at how Dutton handled some of those tricky.
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Speaker 3: Questions, how will cutting migration effect industries like healthcare and construction,
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Speaker 3: and what will you do to ensure migration discussions remain
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Speaker 3: respectful and avoid demonizing migrants.
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Speaker 4: If we've had a sixty five percent increase, and if
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Speaker 4: the government's going to bring in a population bigger than
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Speaker 4: Adelaide over a five year period and take money out
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Speaker 4: of infrastructure at the same time, it's going.
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Speaker 1: To have an impact.
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Speaker 5: So we have to have a managed migration program.
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Speaker 4: And our argument is that you can reduce it from
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Speaker 4: the record level of that at the moment down by
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Speaker 4: twenty five percent for two years, which will create about
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Speaker 4: one hundred thousand homes and that will help young Extraians
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Speaker 4: get into housing.
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Speaker 1: Pretty concise, And compare that look people in the eye
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Speaker 1: with a hint of a smile performance to the way
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Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister Anthony Alvineasy waffled around.
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Speaker 6: And all you need is this little thing here, prith.
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Speaker 6: You just need your Medicare card, not your credit card.
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Speaker 6: Because labor creative Medicare will strengthen Medicare and will make
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Speaker 6: sure that in the future in the future will get
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Speaker 6: those bulk billing rates back up.
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Speaker 1: Seriously, how many times you've been to the doctor where
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Speaker 1: you just need your Medicare card not your credit card?
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Speaker 1: Now not surprising. Many in the media focused on the
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Speaker 1: audience vote that gave the win to the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: But it was a victory. I think that Peter Dutton
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Speaker 1: badly needed his work from Home for public Servants policy. Well,
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Speaker 1: that was cleverly twisted by the Labor campaign to scare
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Speaker 1: anyone who listened to it, especially women, and make them
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Speaker 1: think that it was actually aimed at all of them.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Peter Dutton was right to rip that band
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Speaker 1: aid off that point and bin it. And if he wins,
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Speaker 1: though he should insists that most Canberra based public servants
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Speaker 1: and do they work very hard, probably not do go
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Speaker 1: into the office. I mean hardly a tough commute, I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't think so. As we wrap up week two, the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, as we said, was in Darwin now increasingly
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Speaker 1: and I dined interesting last night with an Alice Springs
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Speaker 1: local and this person told me that the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: still has not been forgiven for his fly in flyout
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Speaker 1: visit there at the height of their youth crime crisis.
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Speaker 1: You remember that flew in, gave them some money and
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Speaker 1: flew out again, and I don't believe it's been back since.
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Speaker 1: Will he go to it with Alice during the campaign.
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Speaker 1: I doubt it now. This local I had dinner with
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Speaker 1: was generous in her praise of the new CLP Northern
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Speaker 1: Territory leader Leah Fanochiaro, who apparently quietly visits Alice Springs
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Speaker 1: and actually gets things done. The territory should be good
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Speaker 1: in this CA campaign for Peter Dutton. Here he was
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Speaker 1: in Perth explaining today while he's going to scrap Labour's
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Speaker 1: car and ute tax. Now, this is the fines ridiculous
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Speaker 1: as they are to any car company that sells too
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Speaker 1: many so called higher mission vehicles.
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Speaker 4: Australians under this government, many of them are giving up
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Speaker 4: hope of buying a home. For goodness sake, people who
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Speaker 4: have to buy a car over the next five years
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Speaker 4: know that under mister Albanezi, if he's reelected with the Greens,
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Speaker 4: they're going to be playing fourteen thousand dollars more for
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Speaker 4: a Ford Ranger. I mean, how out of touch is
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Speaker 4: he that he thinks Australians have got a lazy fourteen
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Speaker 4: grand lying around to buy a Ford Ranger or about
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Speaker 4: twelve grand to buy a Highlux.
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Speaker 1: And imagine think about it. Imagine trying to live in
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Speaker 1: Wa or the Northern Territory eat without those sorts of
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Speaker 1: vehicles or having to pay more for them because Chris
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Speaker 1: Bowen tells us that he wants to. So campaigning turns
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Speaker 1: to campaign launches this weekend. The Prime Minister will do
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Speaker 1: it in Perth, the opposition leader will his campaign in Sydney,
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Speaker 1: and the contest will be frantic next week. As the
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Speaker 1: whole thing, the whole campaign, the twenty twenty five election campaign, well,
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Speaker 1: it grinds to a halt on Good Friday with the
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Speaker 1: Easter break on the campaign trail. Joining me now is
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Speaker 1: political reporter Reuben Spargo. It's been a huge week for
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton and you've been traveling with him. If you
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Speaker 1: noticed what I sort of pointed out there a sense
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Speaker 1: of new energy from him that he's come back from
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Speaker 1: that pretty rough first week.
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Speaker 7: Good evening, Steve.
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Speaker 8: During the speech this morning that Peter Dutton was giving.
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Speaker 1: That is what I picked up on.
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Speaker 8: There was this new energy and this new passion when
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Speaker 8: he was making his plead of voters in wa. There
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Speaker 8: were times during that speech lighter, funnier moments, but there
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Speaker 8: were also times where the hairs on the back of
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Speaker 8: your neck stood up. Talking about his experience as a
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Speaker 8: policeman and having to do hard things like deliver messages
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Speaker 8: to family when loved ones had committed suicide, for instance,
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Speaker 8: something that many of.
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Speaker 7: Us will never have to grapple with.
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Speaker 8: But it was that impassionate plea to your point, that
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Speaker 8: I think has really lifted to the next level in
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Speaker 8: this campaign. Peter Dutton also was spooking his fuel policy today,
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Speaker 8: harving the fuel excise.
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Speaker 7: Temporarily, also slashing.
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Speaker 8: Those fines on car makers as you mentioned, definitely lifting
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Speaker 8: to that next level.
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Speaker 1: Steve Ruben, when the cameras are often he's just chatting
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Speaker 1: to you guys on the road. How's his mood? How
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Speaker 1: do you think he's coping with the pressure? I mean,
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Speaker 1: he had the heart attack with his dad, he had
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Speaker 1: the debate on Tuesday night on Sky. How's he coping
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Speaker 1: with the pressure?
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Speaker 8: He seems cool and calm on the surface. That's been
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Speaker 8: my take on it. There's times where the cameras aren't
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Speaker 8: always on where you get that cheeky smile from him.
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Speaker 8: Here's something that maybe not everyone gets to see, is
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Speaker 8: this little smirk that he performs, and you're thinking, I
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Speaker 8: wonder what's going on in his mind.
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Speaker 7: There's also been times in the last few.
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Speaker 8: Days, as you mentioned, his dad had that medical episode,
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Speaker 8: where he's come almost close to tears talking about his
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Speaker 8: dad and what a stoic man he is. So I
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Speaker 8: think we are starting to see a different side of him.
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Speaker 8: Whether that's resonating with voters, I guess we'll wait and see.
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Speaker 8: But he is more than just that hard man. You
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Speaker 8: are seeing those tiny glimpses there.
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Speaker 1: Steve good Onnie Rubin on the Red Eye back to
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Speaker 1: Sydney of course, where he will launch the campaign on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for that, mate. We'll get back
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Speaker 1: to the federal campaign and take you to Ashton shortly,
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Speaker 1: a very vital seat for the Coalition, but the unpopularity no,
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Speaker 1: I would, just as the toxic brand of State Labor
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Speaker 1: is going to have I believe a major impact on
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Speaker 1: how these votes fall in Victoria now, the Coalition needs
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Speaker 1: to win a bunch of seats. If you don't believe me,
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Speaker 1: the Victorian Premier Justin to Allan, her popularity is completely
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Speaker 1: in the toilet. So what are Victorian MPs who are
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Speaker 1: out there in their electorates out there in wider Victoria?
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Speaker 1: What are they hearing about the campaign? Joining me now
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Speaker 1: is Victoria's Shadow Minister for Local Government and Scrutiny over government.
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Speaker 1: That's a great title. Bev MacArthur, Bev, good to see
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Speaker 1: you again. Not surprising to any of us. I don't
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Speaker 1: suppose Labor colleagues are starting to look at the popularity
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Speaker 1: or not of Premier Allan. She's denied it. Steve Brax
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Speaker 1: has denied it. How would you compare the job she's
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Speaker 1: doing to the job that Dan Andrews was doing.
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Speaker 9: Well the Allen labor government. Steve is just a master
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Speaker 9: class in mismanagement. We've got bungled projects, everything's over time,
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Speaker 9: over budget. And she's the queen of the Suburban rail
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Speaker 9: Link vanity project, the queen of the Commonwealth Games debarcle.
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Speaker 9: She's been front and center at all these completely hopeless
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Speaker 9: projects that have gone down the gurglar. No wonder the
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Speaker 9: public via the polls are saying they've had enough of her,
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Speaker 9: and it appears her colleagues have too.
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Speaker 1: She turned up with Anthony Albanesi. They were out at
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Speaker 1: that I've heard it described as the world's most expensive
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Speaker 1: train station out at Sunshine, which is going to be
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Speaker 1: this strange sort of loop that takes you out at
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Speaker 1: the airport and then takes you off to the west.
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that Anthony Albanize is going to do
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Speaker 1: too many stand up appearances BEV with Jacinda Allen between
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Speaker 1: now May three.
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Speaker 9: No, I think we won't be seeing much of Elbow
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Speaker 9: down here in Victoria and that tunnel.
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Speaker 1: What an absolutely terrible debarcle that is.
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Speaker 9: You've got computer commuters who've been seriously disadvantage for a
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Speaker 9: long period of time with all the works that have
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Speaker 9: gone on.
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Speaker 7: Now we learn that there's going.
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Speaker 9: To be thirty three trains not there and timetables down
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Speaker 9: the gurgler. So we're no better off. But com and
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Speaker 9: COD bring them back, I'd say, well.
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Speaker 1: To our national audience. I mean, that's a fifteen billion
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Speaker 1: dollar metro tunnel project and the Herald's un revealed this
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Speaker 1: week that oh, well, we might have promised you were
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Speaker 1: going to have, you know, Steck. All you're supposed to
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Speaker 1: do is turn up at the station and a train
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Speaker 1: will come within seconds, you get on and off you go.
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Speaker 1: We're now told that thirty three of those trains won't
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Speaker 1: be able to go through that metro tunnel, and they're
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Speaker 1: planning to have it open by the end of the year.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the chances of that happening are probably zero.
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Speaker 9: Of zero to none, i'd say.
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Speaker 5: And how much better off will you be?
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Speaker 9: Probably not much for the extraordinary expense and the extraordinary
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Speaker 9: disadvantage commuters have incurred for years while they're building the thing.
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Speaker 1: We all know that the there on buses. One of
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Speaker 1: your part of your responsibility is looking at local government
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Speaker 1: and scrutiny of government. My local government is the Mornington Council,
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Speaker 1: and I learned this week they're going to hike my
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Speaker 1: rates by three percent, which is the maximum they're allowed
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Speaker 1: to do it. They're doing that to pay for a
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Speaker 1: bunch of houses that collapse down a hill in McCrae
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Speaker 1: that I had nothing to do with. But we're apparently
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Speaker 1: going to have to pay for the council to sort
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Speaker 1: that out. And now we hear that this fire levey
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Speaker 1: has been increased on everybody, and you'd be hearing from
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Speaker 1: plenty of farmers I imagine, who are filthy about that?
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Speaker 9: Oh, absolutely filthy, Steve, because not only are they paying
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Speaker 9: what they might have paid before, but they're the ones
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Speaker 9: going out in the forty year old trucks trying to
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Speaker 9: put out a fire because they can't get any decent
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Speaker 9: equipment out of this government, and yet they're paying the
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Speaker 9: price of this whole thing. On top of that, I
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Speaker 9: can't find one local government who thinks they ought to
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Speaker 9: be the tax collector for this state. This is a
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Speaker 9: completely new tax, extraordinary amounts there demanding everybody pay. And
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Speaker 9: let's face it, a local government council will have to
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Speaker 9: pay it whether their rate payers pay it or not,
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Speaker 9: so some rate payers will be paying twice.
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Speaker 1: Ben MacArthur, great to catch up, thanks for joining us tonight.
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Speaker 1: Now a big exclusive in the Australian newspaper today revealing
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Speaker 1: that Peter Dutton was the target of an alleged terror
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Speaker 1: plot by a sixteen year old boy. Now the teenager
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Speaker 1: was a rested in charge. This happened back in August
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Speaker 1: over an alleged plan to target the opposition leaders home,
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Speaker 1: which I think is west of Brisbane, with a drone
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Speaker 1: and homemade explosive. Now the sixteen year old is set
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Speaker 1: to face trial at a later date. We obviously can't
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Speaker 1: use his name because of his age, and this is
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Speaker 1: all before the courts. Here was Peter Dutton responding to
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Speaker 1: that news this morning.
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Speaker 4: Curely, my kids are safe and so that puts it
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Speaker 4: all into perspective. And I think is Keith pointed out,
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Speaker 4: you know, I've seen some things in my life did
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Speaker 4: make this job pretty easy regardless of what comes at you.
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Speaker 1: And joining us now to discuss that and other matters
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Speaker 1: is the former our Friday Night, former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman. Campbell.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're limited in what we can say, as
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Speaker 1: as I said, the matter is before the courts, but
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Speaker 1: you'd never think that you would see this sort of
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Speaker 1: alleged threat against a political leader in our country.
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Speaker 5: Look the alligator. The allegations are quite.
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Speaker 10: Staggering, Steve, and again I stress that they are allegations.
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Speaker 5: It is before the courts, but this.
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Speaker 10: Alleged defender has been in custody as I understand it,
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Speaker 10: since about August last year, and they have been committed
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Speaker 10: to trial now and the judge, so the magistrate, has
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Speaker 10: indicated in the comments that are made at the hearing
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Speaker 10: that there certainly was evidence appeared to be evidence to
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Speaker 10: actually have that matter go forward. So it is quite
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Speaker 10: concerning when you hear allegations that someone has sought to
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Speaker 10: actually you know, research, you know, a potential offense, pulling
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Speaker 10: together ingredients, doing searchers on the internet. These are the
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Speaker 10: allegations that have been exposed in that hearing and was
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Speaker 10: going to it's alleged go off and commit an act
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Speaker 10: which has been it seems treated by the authorities as
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Speaker 10: a potential act of terrorism, so, you know, and by
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Speaker 10: a young person.
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Speaker 5: So you.
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Speaker 10: Didn't really think you'd ever see this sort of going
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Speaker 10: on in Australia. I think it's going to be quite
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Speaker 10: concerning to see this play out.
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Speaker 5: I mean, when I was in political.
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Speaker 10: Office, I had a well publicized sort of crackdown on
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Speaker 10: criminal motorcycle gangs, and threats were made against myself and
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Speaker 10: my family and I know that's happened to other politicians.
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Speaker 10: But we do see in the media that this is
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Speaker 10: on the rise. The police are saying that these sorts
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Speaker 10: of threats of violence against political figures are increasing and
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Speaker 10: that's a very sad development and concerning development.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is something we don't want in Australian political life.
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Speaker 1: It's something that we grew up not having to worry
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Speaker 1: too much about. I mean, I've always been really impressed about,
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Speaker 1: you know, the access, pretty easy access that all of
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Speaker 1: us have to politicians, including right up to prime ministers.
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Speaker 1: I mean, surely sure enough. You know, when I was
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Speaker 1: doing radio, a PM would turn up for a radio interview,
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Speaker 1: the federal police would turn up the day before, they'd
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Speaker 1: check the building out and then they'd come in before
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Speaker 1: the PM got there. But it was never the sort
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Speaker 1: of overt security that you see with the US president.
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Speaker 1: Just stick with Peter Dutton and that seat of his.
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Speaker 1: We read today that labor are pouring money into a
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Speaker 1: campaign there to try and blast him, Peter Dutton out
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Speaker 1: of that seat of Dixon. He holds it by. I
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Speaker 1: think it's one of the narrowest seats in the country
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Speaker 1: one point seven percent. Tell me Campbell, as a Queenslander
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Speaker 1: and a Brisbane night, tell me about Dixon. What is
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Speaker 1: that seat like and why has it always been so marginal?
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Speaker 10: Well, it's a bit of a cross section, of course, Steve.
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Speaker 10: It's sort of the northwestern side of Brisbane and it's
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Speaker 10: sort of exten ends out into a rural area and
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Speaker 10: a rural residential area with acreage, but it has its
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Speaker 10: sort of traditional sort of suburbs, which are many of
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Speaker 10: them are more sort of labor oriented, so that's the mix.
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Speaker 10: But you've with these more well to do people on
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Speaker 10: the acreage. But I'd be very very surprised. I mean,
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Speaker 10: Ali France is the Labor candidate. She had to go
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Speaker 10: in twenty nineteen, and she did reasonably well in that election.
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Speaker 10: But this is an election with a government that's been
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Speaker 10: in office for three years. They're not sort of sort
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Speaker 10: of riding a wave of optimism and positive sentiment.
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Speaker 5: You know, That's definitely not the case in this election.
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Speaker 10: So I think it's somewhat implausible that the Labor candidate
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Speaker 10: would win.
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Speaker 5: I really do.
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Speaker 10: And I think further, I think that the stuff that's
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Speaker 10: been in the media is the Labor Party really trying
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Speaker 10: to undermine Dutton in more of the federal campaign by
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Speaker 10: sort of raising the specter of, oh gosh, he might
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Speaker 10: all get elected. I've seen them do that before in
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Speaker 10: many many election campaigns.
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Speaker 5: It's you know, it.
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Speaker 10: Makes it difficult for the leader if they're in a
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Speaker 10: marginal seat. But in this case, I don't think Peter
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Speaker 10: Dutton really has to worry too much about it. He's
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Speaker 10: been put under a lot of pressure in the past,
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Speaker 10: and he's held that seat for basically twenty years.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you and I remember the most high
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Speaker 1: profile I guess politician to lose his seat to election
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Speaker 1: was John Howard, which we all just shook our head
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Speaker 1: out and couldn't believe it. Peter Costello likewise, but you know,
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Speaker 1: Peter dunn't's held that for what and your Tralie, he
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Speaker 1: is so incumbency and you sorry, I should have mentioned
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Speaker 1: that he has held it for twenty four years. Incumbency
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Speaker 1: must count for something, it does does.
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Speaker 10: And like Peter Dutton's very well respected in that election.
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Speaker 10: As I said, you know, twenty years, and he has
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Speaker 10: had people have a real red hot go against him before.
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Speaker 5: He has had in past elections.
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Speaker 10: In the last decade, you know, the whole force of
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Speaker 10: the unions, the Labor Party and the Get Up organization
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Speaker 10: all going full tilt at him, and he survived that.
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Speaker 10: So that's why I think he comes through this time
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Speaker 10: pretty positively. I don't think he's under that sort of threat.
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Speaker 1: Good on new Campbell, thank you very much for that. Campbell.
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Speaker 1: Newman back with us next Friday. I mentioned Peter Costello.
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Speaker 1: They're a met of course, Josh Freedenberg who lost his
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Speaker 1: seat at the last election to the till candidate Monique Ryan.
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Speaker 1: Now coming up after the break, the Liberals candidate for
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Speaker 1: a very valuable seat for the coalition. They need to
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Speaker 1: win the seat of Aston they lost at a by
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Speaker 1: election in twenty twenty three. How are they going to
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Speaker 1: win it back? We'll talk to the local candidate. Plus,
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Speaker 1: I'm pleased to say Senator sent a nampajimp for Price.
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Speaker 1: She'll join us from the campaign trail in Wa where
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Speaker 1: there's been some protests against her being there late this afternoon.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Steve Price with you. As I said,
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Speaker 1: it's the end of week two of this election campaign.
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Speaker 1: It's going to get interrupted by Easter and Anzac. There's
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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. I said to you at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of the program. If the Coalition is to win
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Speaker 1: the election with this election, they're going to have to
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Speaker 1: win this seat of Aston. I said it. We're going
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Speaker 1: to watch it on election night. It's going to be
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Speaker 1: one of those seats that you should all watch as well. Now,
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Speaker 1: the Lips lost this seat at a by election in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. The margin now, as I understand it,
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Speaker 1: labor margins about three point six percent. But the outer
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Speaker 1: suburban seat is a perfect blueprint of where the Coalition
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Speaker 1: believed they have an advantage over labor. The petrol excise
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Speaker 1: cuts is going to work for the candidate. The commit
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Speaker 1: to work. I mean, who doesn't want to save money
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Speaker 1: on filling their car up a couple of times a week.
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Speaker 1: We've now got this discussion about the price of utes
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Speaker 1: and the cost of living crisis. Of course, that's front
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Speaker 1: and center now. Manny Ciccello is the Liberal candidate. He's
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Speaker 1: a teacher, he's a long standing former mayor of Knox,
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Speaker 1: and he's in the studio. Welcome Mannie.
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Speaker 7: Thank you Steve for having me on tonight.
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Speaker 1: How honored are you to be standing in the seat
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Speaker 1: of Aston. It's an Aston boy. You've always lived out there,
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Speaker 1: that's right.
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Speaker 11: I moved there with my parents when I was sixteen
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Speaker 11: years of age. I got elected to the local council,
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Speaker 11: I was mayor, gone through with the community, bought my
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Speaker 11: first house in Aston with Isabella, raising our kids there.
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Speaker 11: I've lived there for thirty two years. I'm passionate about
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Speaker 11: that community.
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Speaker 1: What sort of community is it. I mean, what are
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Speaker 1: we talking about. We're talking about typical outer suburban working
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Speaker 1: families who probably doing it as hard as anyone in
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Speaker 1: the country. When you think about mortgage rating, increases, cost
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Speaker 1: of living, cost of fuel, commuting to work, all of the.
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Speaker 11: Above, absolutely, Steve, Aston is the classic middle suburb with
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Speaker 11: mortgage stress.
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Speaker 7: Sixty percent of Aston.
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Speaker 11: Locals are under mortgage stress, so the cost of living
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Speaker 11: is a major issue. I mean, Peter Dutton's announcement to
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Speaker 11: cut fuel exercise by twenty five cents is really going
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Speaker 11: to help local families.
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Speaker 1: You've done a lot of door knocking, clearly had people telling.
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Speaker 5: You, Steve.
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Speaker 11: Unfortunately, it's sad to say, but crime is a big issue.
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Speaker 11: When I've been at the doors, people have been telling
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Speaker 11: me horrendous stories aggravation.
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Speaker 1: Community meeting recently.
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Speaker 7: That's right.
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Speaker 11: I had a forum with one hundred and twenty people
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Speaker 11: concerned local residents who came and shared their stories. I'm
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Speaker 11: telling you some harrowing stories of home invasions, aggravated burglaries,
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Speaker 11: local IGAs being held up with machetes. You wouldn't believe
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Speaker 11: this is happening in the Southeastern suburbs of Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: Who is who are the community blaming for that rise
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Speaker 1: in youth crime. I mean it's a crisis across the
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Speaker 1: whole whole of Melbourne and it's bad in other parts
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Speaker 1: of Australia as well. Are they blaming state government and
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Speaker 1: if so, what are you telling them about how you
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Speaker 1: can help fix it.
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Speaker 11: Sure, it's a failure of the state government to invest
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Speaker 11: in the police. We know there are thousands of vacancies
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Speaker 11: in police. That means less boots on the ground in
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Speaker 11: knocks in Maroonda. What people are telling me is that please,
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Speaker 11: you need to make community safety front and center in
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Speaker 11: this election campaign. And I was able to announce in
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Speaker 11: one turn of South that a Dutton coalition government will
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Speaker 11: deliver two hundred and seventy thousand to fund CCTV cameras
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Speaker 11: and increased lighting in the David.
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Speaker 1: Cooper reserves older people for fraid to go out.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, I see they have two layers of security. They
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Speaker 11: have crime Mesh, crim Safe Mesh and then another door
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Speaker 11: so that they're feeling it. They've got people investing thousands
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Speaker 11: of dollars in CCTV cameras. It's a serious issue and
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Speaker 11: it needs to be dealt.
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Speaker 1: With Labour's promised tax cuts. Is that biting out? There
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Speaker 1: are people saying to you, why don't you match it?
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Speaker 11: Steve Labour's tax cuts. They're a conjob, an absolute conjob.
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Speaker 11: It's a gimmick. I mean seventy cents a day in
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Speaker 11: fifteen months time. Families in Aston they need immediate.
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Speaker 7: Cost of living relief.
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Speaker 11: And Peter Dutton with his commitment to cut petro excise
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Speaker 11: by twenty five percent, twenty five cents, that's going to
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Speaker 11: put an extra fourteen dollars a week in the family budget.
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Speaker 11: If you've got two cars like most of us do
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Speaker 11: in Aston, that's twenty eight dollars fifteen hundred dollars a year.
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Speaker 11: I can tell you that gives us extra money to
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Speaker 11: go out and buy takeaway, support our local businesses.
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Speaker 7: That's what we need, immediate cost of living relief.
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Speaker 1: You also have a lot of tradees living in that
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Speaker 1: area raising young families. I mean discussion today about how,
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Speaker 1: if elected the Dutton Labor government would drop this penalty
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Speaker 1: to car firms who are selling what they call, you know,
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Speaker 1: normal petrol engine cars. I mean that's going to go
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Speaker 1: down pretty well. I mean, no one has got as
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton said today, a spare fourteen thousand dollars laying
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Speaker 1: around when they want to change over their forward ranger
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Speaker 1: to get a new new yute.
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Speaker 11: Next week absolutely steve the tradees in Bayswater, Baronia. They're
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Speaker 11: going to be livid to know that Anthony Albanesi wants
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Speaker 11: to put a tax on their ute. I think it's
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Speaker 11: going to change boats in Aston definitely.
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Speaker 1: What's changed between when the seat flipped in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: three today.
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Speaker 11: Look, I think people were prepared to give Anthony Albanesi
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Speaker 11: a go in the beginning, but he made some promises.
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Speaker 11: I mean he promised he was going to cut our
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Speaker 11: electricity bill by two.
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Speaker 7: Hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 11: I can tell you our bills in Aston have gone
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Speaker 11: up by one thousand dollars.
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Speaker 7: He promised we were going to get cheaper mortgages. It's
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Speaker 7: been the reverse.
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Speaker 11: The average family in Aston is paying fifty thousand dollars
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Speaker 11: more on their mortgage over the last three years. That's
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Speaker 11: just evaporated our disposable income.
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Speaker 1: Are you surprised that labor continues to go out there
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Speaker 1: and argue the electricity is cheaper. I mean we all
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Speaker 1: look at the bill.
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Speaker 11: It's unbelievable and that's why Peter Dutton has come up
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Speaker 11: with a gas reservation policy to bring more gas into
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Speaker 11: the market, to put downward pressure on gas. That's what
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Speaker 11: families need. We need cost of living relief and Dutton
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Speaker 11: as Prime Minister will deliver for local families in Aston.
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Speaker 1: Good luck at Aston on the election night. Thanks many,
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Speaker 1: thank you very mainly appreciate it. Thank you. We will
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Speaker 1: keep an eye on that seat on election night, no
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Speaker 1: doubt about that. Now today in Western Australia, in Bunbury,
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Speaker 1: south of Perth, we've had activists there rallying in protest
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Speaker 1: against our next guest actually being there. The Shadow Minister
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Speaker 1: for Indigenous Australian's senator just sent a nampajimp Price joined
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Speaker 1: the Liberal candidate for the seat there of Forest I
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Speaker 1: blog by the name of Ben Small, and WA Senator
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Speaker 1: Macalia Cash was there as well. Now the forum focused
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Speaker 1: on the opposition's economic agenda. We've just been talking about
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Speaker 1: it there. But after the defeat of the Voice and
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Speaker 1: why it matters for marginalized Australians, now protests and say
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Speaker 1: look we were not informed about the visit. Well, I
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Speaker 1: mean so what the senator that joins us now from WA.
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Speaker 1: Good to see you again, Senator, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 1: What's all the fuss there today about these protests is
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Speaker 1: what are they concerned about? Well, look, I.
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Speaker 12: Think originally it was an academic, an Indigenous woman academic,
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Speaker 12: who suggested that somehow my position on the Voice has
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Speaker 12: harmed people. That's what the suggestion has been, and that
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Speaker 12: I you know, there were those who suggested I should
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Speaker 12: have reached out to and got mission, sought permission from
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Speaker 12: local elders as to whether I could actually be there
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Speaker 12: or not on their land. And because I didn't do so,
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Speaker 12: and I stood my ground and I said, well, as
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Speaker 12: an individual in my own right and elected representative of
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Speaker 12: the Parliament of Australia, I should not have my freedom
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Speaker 12: of movement restricted by anybody in this country. I was
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Speaker 12: going to an event, which is for the campaign to
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Speaker 12: support a wonderful candidate, Ben Small, and I wasn't going
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Speaker 12: to back down. And so that's why those protesters decided
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Speaker 12: to do what they wanted to do. I don't know
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Speaker 12: what really their objective was or their concerns for broader issues,
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Speaker 12: but they chose to protest.
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Speaker 1: Today we descendancy is not normal practice? Is it that
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Speaker 1: you have to get permission from the locals to go
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Speaker 1: to a different part of the country. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: not something you would do in a normal way anyway,
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Speaker 1: is it.
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Speaker 12: No, No, it isn't. I've never really had to do
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Speaker 12: that throughout my whole life, like many Australians who've had
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Speaker 12: the opportunity to move freely. And I think what we
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Speaker 12: shouldn't be doing is damaging a democracy in Australia in
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Speaker 12: twenty twenty five in allowing this sort of behavior to
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Speaker 12: stifle debate or silence voices, that those voices different to others.
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Speaker 12: Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but otherwise this is
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Speaker 12: an act of attempting to silence me. I won't be silenced.
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Speaker 12: It was suggested by a journalist there that well, why
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Speaker 12: didn't I follow protocol? It's like saying, because I'm Indigenous,
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Speaker 12: I should be following a particular protocol that other indigenous
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Speaker 12: people want to impose on me. Well, no, I'm an
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Speaker 12: individual in my own right, I have my own human rights.
30:50
Speaker 12: I can choose whatever element of traditional culture that is
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Speaker 12: part of my upbringing that I want to and I
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Speaker 12: don't have to live by others and certainly not rules
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Speaker 12: upon me from others who actually don't have the right
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Speaker 12: to do so, to anybody, to any individual. Made it
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Speaker 12: very clear that as an Indigenous woman, I will stand
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Speaker 12: my ground because Indigenous women are often controlled in various
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Speaker 12: different ways, and I subject to incredible violence in this
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Speaker 12: country at alarming rates, and so I won't allow this
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Speaker 12: bullying and controlling behavior to occur, certainly for me, and
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Speaker 12: I'd expect that it shouldn't occur for anyone else, and
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Speaker 12: particularly other Indigenous people. You're an individual and your own right.
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Speaker 12: You're an Australian citizen in the first instance. You should
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Speaker 12: not be subjected to other people's rules, regulations, protocols, whatever
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Speaker 12: you want to call it.
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Speaker 1: You're a tough cookie. I mean, did anything happen, I mean,
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Speaker 1: did you get confronted by these people? Did you feel safe?
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Speaker 2: Look?
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Speaker 12: I mean I had the wonderful AFP and there were
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Speaker 12: police are present there as well. You know, the AFP
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Speaker 12: are brilliant. They take care of our needs as politicians.
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Speaker 12: In the climate throughout the country at the moment is
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Speaker 12: that many politicians are being targeted in particular ways, and
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Speaker 12: that's ramping up and the AFP do a great job
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Speaker 12: at ensuring that we can get to and from events
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Speaker 12: such as this one pretty much hassle free. The protesters
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Speaker 12: get to have their little bit on the side and
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Speaker 12: yell and carry on and not really achieve anything. But
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Speaker 12: we continued on with the event and had some wonderful
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Speaker 12: questions and wonderful interactions. And there are Indigenous people inside
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Speaker 12: as well at the event, one particular mother who put
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Speaker 12: a question to me and genuinely wanted to have a
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Speaker 12: conversation about issues of concern, and that is what it
32:43
Speaker 12: should be like, respectful debate without attacking individuals. My door
32:48
Speaker 12: is always open for that. And unlike some of the
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Speaker 12: media that was present, particularly the ABC, who would suggest
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Speaker 12: that I should just follow blindly what others impose on me,
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Speaker 12: is nonsense. And you know, just respect elders for the
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Speaker 12: sake of respecting elders. No, no respect. It's a two
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Speaker 12: way street, and I expect to be respected if others
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Speaker 12: want to have my respect, and through that is treating
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Speaker 12: one another respectfully and not behaving like that. And we
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Speaker 12: shouldn't have to just show respect to unknown individuals because
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Speaker 12: they appoint themselves as elders. That is the wrong thing
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Speaker 12: to do. I've recently come out against an elder who
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Speaker 12: was appointed to the chair of a land council who
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Speaker 12: had a rap sheet as long as my arm and
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Speaker 12: has committed DV. And there are individuals like that in
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Speaker 12: our communities here, there and everywhere who we're expected to
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Speaker 12: just bow down and respect. Well, that's wrong and that
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Speaker 12: sends the wrong message to victims, especially victims of such individuals,
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Speaker 12: that should be held beholden to these people. I won't
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Speaker 12: do that, and I should expect that others have the
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Speaker 12: freedom and the choice in this country, in a democracy,
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Speaker 12: to not have to be subjected to that either.
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Speaker 1: Just finally, I want to get you quick take on this.
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Speaker 1: I had dinner with an Alice Springs resident last night
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Speaker 1: who made the point to me that she's seen an
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Speaker 1: improvement in the Alice in some street crime, and she's
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Speaker 1: been very impressed with the new Chief Minister of the territory, Leophanocchiaro.
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Speaker 1: She said, she quietly goes to the Alice and she
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Speaker 1: talks to police and she talks to the community. Are
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Speaker 1: you seeing that?
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Speaker 2: She said.
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Speaker 1: It's a slow burn and it's not a massive improvement,
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Speaker 1: but it feels safer to her.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, look, you know it is there's a sense of
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Speaker 12: hope with the change of government obviously when they haven't
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Speaker 12: been able to get rid of all crime, but they
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Speaker 12: have effectively taken about, you know, three hundred perpetrators off
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Speaker 12: our streets, which is a great thing and it's great
34:58
Speaker 12: to feel that hope once more, and that that's what
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Speaker 12: territories need to understand at this next election. We got
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Speaker 12: rid of a labor government who took the territory and
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Speaker 12: smashed it into the ground and increase criminal behavior. If
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Speaker 12: we have a coalition government, we know federally we can
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Speaker 12: work hand in hand with the territory government to improve
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Speaker 12: this situation. And that's what we want to do right
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Speaker 12: across the country as well, because I know am crime
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Speaker 12: is a concern for many communities around Australia.
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Speaker 1: Great to see you. I look forward to seeing you
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Speaker 1: more prominently on the election campaign over the next few weeks.
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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, CeNAT that just sent a Nampa jimp
35:34
Speaker 1: of price there and what a championship is after the
35:36
Speaker 1: break the second week of the campaign, I can't wait
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Speaker 1: for this in cartoons with our mate Mark Knight, plus
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Speaker 1: the shocking amount of money being poured into social media
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Speaker 1: campaign ads. Next, welcome back to Steve Price with you. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's say cartoonist picnic. We're in the middle of an
35:55
Speaker 1: election campaign, two weeks down, with three to go, with
35:58
Speaker 1: Easter and Anzac Day in the middle hour, I'll mate
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Speaker 1: the herold Son's cartoon as Mark Knight. It's like Easter,
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Speaker 1: Christmas and Father's Day all wrapped into one. For Mark,
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Speaker 1: Welcome you love a campaign, don't you?
36:10
Speaker 2: Campaign's good?
36:11
Speaker 1: And then you layer Donald Trump on top.
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Speaker 13: And then this thing dropped in on it called Donald Trump.
36:17
Speaker 13: And he just blew the campaign apart. He blew the
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Speaker 13: world apart.
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Speaker 2: And so now I think I'm drawing Trump more than
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Speaker 2: I'm drawing elbow.
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Speaker 1: And he's so good to draw, amazing.
36:27
Speaker 2: And the the personality, the policies.
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Speaker 1: That he was on TV the other day saying he's
36:34
Speaker 1: not happy with his shower head at home. Good enough.
36:37
Speaker 1: I love watching my beautiful air.
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Speaker 13: Well, he's got this big awning, Steve, this awning, and
36:42
Speaker 13: when you're under that awning, nothing gets wet.
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Speaker 2: So he needs a shower head the size of it.
36:46
Speaker 1: So he gave us tariffs this week. He sent the
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Speaker 1: world into a tailspin, said to look at your cartoon
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Speaker 1: on tariffs with Donald Trump? What's that look like? Lauris?
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Speaker 2: Well, okay, I love Trump's signature.
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Speaker 13: We've all seen him and how many executive orders has
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Speaker 13: he signed? And his elaborate signature, and I thought I
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Speaker 13: want to do something with that signature. And I realized
37:10
Speaker 13: it suddenly looked like what the share market was doing
37:12
Speaker 13: this week on the graph if you look behind the signature,
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Speaker 13: is actually the share market that's so clever reaction, So.
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Speaker 1: That is absolutely brilliant. That's old JD. Vans in the back,
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Speaker 1: that is JdE Evans. That is really good. I never
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Speaker 1: thought he draws that signature with like a big texture
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Speaker 1: or something.
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Speaker 2: It's the most magnificent bit of calligraphy I've ever seen.
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Speaker 2: And how many has he signed? Like two hundred of them?
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Speaker 1: That must take Hi?
37:35
Speaker 2: How is taking.
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Speaker 1: Sticking with Trump? He's launched a trade war? Yes, what
37:39
Speaker 1: was your take on the trade war? Let's look at
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Speaker 1: the Oh my god.
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Speaker 2: He just blew the world to bits this week.
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Speaker 1: When I heard you making nervous and he's got his
37:51
Speaker 1: finger on the trip.
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Speaker 13: Well, he's just launched a massive attack on China and
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Speaker 13: they're going to respond and you know who's who knows
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Speaker 13: what will be left of will trade after this.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, my favorite cartoon of the week, and I
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Speaker 1: mean you'll know the one I'm talking about. Dan Andrews
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Speaker 1: apparently has been secretly coaching the Prime Minister on how
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Speaker 1: to appear at this leader's debate that he had love.
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Speaker 1: Let's have a look at this. I mean, so you
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Speaker 1: go on, you tell me, well, you know, elbows in
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Speaker 1: the red corner.
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Speaker 2: Elbow's in the red corner, Dun's in the blue.
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Speaker 13: It's the old stand up boxing match, which was how
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Speaker 13: I saw the debate. And when I heard that Dan
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Speaker 13: Andrews was in Elbow's corner, you know it was likely
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Speaker 13: one of those old Irish sort of you know, boxing
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Speaker 13: coaches standing in the corner. And remember to use that
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Speaker 13: old one two shuffle I showed you, which is I
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Speaker 13: don't recall, I don't remember which was Dan Andrew's signature move.
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Speaker 1: That might be your cartoon of the year. Thanks mate,
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Speaker 1: Mark Knight. Great to see you mate. Thanks, I'll see
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Speaker 1: you in a couple of weeks time.
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Speaker 7: Mark Knight.
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Speaker 1: You can't miss his cartoons in the Herald Sun every day.
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Speaker 1: And he's got a cracker coming up Sunday. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure about the one he's drawn on my column for tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what he would have done with that.
39:06
Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, the extraordinary amount of money.
39:08
Speaker 1: Aparently the major parties are spending huge amounts on social
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Speaker 1: media ads. Plus has Australian politics become too dangerous? The
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Speaker 1: panel joins me after the break. Welcome, actually price with
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Speaker 1: you the world according to Rowan Deane. Coming up after
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Speaker 1: the top of the hour, let's get into our panel
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Speaker 1: Small business Woman Australia founder Amanda Rose. She's been everywhere
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Speaker 1: again this week, including writing columns for The Daily Telegraph
39:36
Speaker 1: and Sky News. Contributor and Daily Telegraph hero of the
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Speaker 1: campaign Joe Hildebrand both join us so dip into this
39:43
Speaker 1: week's news cycle. Amanda, Joe, Welcome, love the campaign, love
39:47
Speaker 1: the work you're both doing on it. I want to
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Speaker 1: play this grab and I'll start with you, Joe. Here's
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister speaking after a visit to Rio Tinto's
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Speaker 1: Dampier Port. This is way up in northwest western Australia,
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Speaker 1: in Karatha this afternoon. Have a look and I want
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Speaker 1: to know what two words are missing from what he says.
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Speaker 6: He we saw the shiploader in operation today loading ten
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Speaker 6: thousand tons an hour on two ships. So are four
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Speaker 6: ships here at the moment. Three of them are going
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Speaker 6: to China. One of them is going to Vietnam, producing
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Speaker 6: wealth for Australia. Rio Tinto It's operations here throughout the
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Speaker 6: pilber and the Kimberly mean that about a million tons
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Speaker 6: a day go out.
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Speaker 1: Joe, would it really kill him to say those two words.
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Speaker 14: I'll take iron Ore for twenty thousand dollars thanks, Eddie.
40:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, look you're the winner.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 14: Look, obviously he's signaling to the mining industry that poor
40:54
Speaker 14: Oltania Plitt sect whatever new environmental protocols she's got in
40:57
Speaker 14: the wings and not going to get up. He is
41:00
Speaker 14: all in behind the mining industry. But of course I
41:02
Speaker 14: suppose iron Ai a bit like Cole is the Love
41:05
Speaker 14: that dared not speak its name between labor and the West.
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Speaker 7: And so I think he's.
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Speaker 1: Done the right thing.
41:11
Speaker 14: I just spoke to our reporter in Caarthur actually just
41:15
Speaker 14: an hour or two ago, and yeah, it's obviously it's clear,
41:19
Speaker 14: very clear signal from the PM as he did by
41:23
Speaker 14: kiwashing a previous sort of nature nature first kind of
41:28
Speaker 14: green tape that he's all in with the mining industry,
41:32
Speaker 14: both I think ideologically and politically.
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Speaker 7: During the campaign.
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Speaker 1: He just flew in there, didn't say the words, and
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Speaker 1: flew straight out again and knows that he's probably got
41:43
Speaker 1: away with it. I don't think I'm being too harsh
41:45
Speaker 1: on him. And surely you can say the words iron
41:47
Speaker 1: or We all saw the ships in the background. For
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Speaker 1: God's sake, Aman, It's something you understand much better than
41:52
Speaker 1: I do. That's social media now, the Coalition, Labor, all
41:57
Speaker 1: of the teals. They've poured millions of dollars into advertising
42:01
Speaker 1: on something called Google and something called Meta. I'm not
42:05
Speaker 1: quite sure what either of those are, but this was
42:08
Speaker 1: in the first first week of the campaign, Amanda, you
42:11
Speaker 1: know this stuff. This must work for them given the
42:14
Speaker 1: amount of money that's going in there.
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Speaker 15: Well, yes, and because we live in a society now
42:19
Speaker 15: that he's focused on social media and they're trying to
42:21
Speaker 15: get the younger demographic as well, and we all know
42:24
Speaker 15: that they're on social media. It's fascinating though that, you know,
42:28
Speaker 15: I see that the Labor Party is so happy to
42:31
Speaker 15: spend you know what, million million dollars, probably spend millions
42:34
Speaker 15: by the time the election's over, trying to win back,
42:38
Speaker 15: you know, running the country, and it's a million dollars
42:41
Speaker 15: so far more than they've actually spent on small business.
42:44
Speaker 15: So they only care about getting back in. They're actually
42:48
Speaker 15: not doing anything of value when it comes to Okay,
42:51
Speaker 15: you've got an ad, Okay you've got a meme, Okay,
42:53
Speaker 15: you've got something like that. But what are you doing
42:55
Speaker 15: to help the communities that over the last three years
42:58
Speaker 15: you've systematically destroyed by you know, making supply costs go up,
43:03
Speaker 15: energy costs go up. Small business are shutting down, the
43:06
Speaker 15: communities are suffering because then they don't get the money
43:08
Speaker 15: from the small business. So great, you're spending money. I
43:11
Speaker 15: understand it's election campaign, but it's a little insulting to
43:15
Speaker 15: the person that just shut the doors of their business, saying,
43:17
Speaker 15: why are you spending so much money to get re
43:19
Speaker 15: elected and you haven't spent a cent on the small
43:22
Speaker 15: business sector.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk to you about that in
43:26
Speaker 1: a bit more length in the moment you write a
43:28
Speaker 1: comment about that today, Joe, can you explain to me
43:32
Speaker 1: clide Palmer's trumpet of patriots. I see these yellow and
43:36
Speaker 1: black ads they're paying you they're paying your salary at
43:39
Speaker 1: the Daily Telegraphs and classes all over the front page
43:41
Speaker 1: of the Herald Son, everywhere. This is a party that
43:46
Speaker 1: he basically took over because he'd forgot to reregister his own.
43:52
Speaker 1: He got one member of Parliament elected last time after
43:54
Speaker 1: spending millions and millions of dollars. What is it about
43:58
Speaker 1: this guy and doing this? Is it just something that
44:02
Speaker 1: he knows because he's so rich, he just likes stirring
44:05
Speaker 1: the pot. He's not going to get anyone elected, is he?
44:08
Speaker 5: Yeah?
44:09
Speaker 7: I don't think so.
44:09
Speaker 14: The last pole I saw trumpeted Patriots had actually gone
44:12
Speaker 14: from two percent to one percent. So that's what Clive Palmer's.
44:17
Speaker 1: Advertising, annoying everyone with those awful heads, that's right.
44:21
Speaker 14: I have to say the placement of these ads seems
44:23
Speaker 14: passing strange to me as well. I mean, I've seen
44:26
Speaker 14: heaps of these giant billboards in the Inner West, which
44:29
Speaker 14: is about as green as a footy field that they
44:31
Speaker 14: would very quickly turn into native vegetation and ban anyone
44:34
Speaker 14: from playing footy on. So it's a very strange placement.
44:38
Speaker 14: I thank him very much for putting them in the
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Speaker 14: Daily Telegraph.
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Speaker 7: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 14: Clive, I and all my colleagues are very very grateful,
44:45
Speaker 14: but I think it just goes to show with like,
44:47
Speaker 14: you know, if your ads aren't selling a message that
44:50
Speaker 14: people want to hear and that resonate with people, it
44:53
Speaker 14: doesn't matter how much money you spend, you are simply
44:55
Speaker 14: not going to get through.
44:58
Speaker 1: Amanda, tell me small business policy from either side that
45:03
Speaker 1: you can grab hold of and say, that's fantastic. Silence.
45:10
Speaker 1: Look the thing, because there hasn't been.
45:15
Speaker 15: So what I've noticed that they're doing is they're taking
45:19
Speaker 15: things that subsidies or things that they've already created and
45:21
Speaker 15: they're trying to attach it to small business so they'll
45:24
Speaker 15: have something and go, oh, how can we link this
45:27
Speaker 15: to small business in some way? Yes, I understand we're
45:29
Speaker 15: cutting a fel excis. It's going to help, you know, tradees,
45:32
Speaker 15: but very minimal people need cash flow. Small business need
45:36
Speaker 15: cash flow, so they need government contracts. They need to
45:39
Speaker 15: be included in the money that's already been spent, or
45:43
Speaker 15: income tax relief for the small business owners that aren't
45:45
Speaker 15: even paying themselves right now, so there's no money at all.
45:48
Speaker 15: They're having to let go of staff. So I'm not
45:51
Speaker 15: impressed with either side. I know Labor will never ever
45:55
Speaker 15: have anything for small business. They've spent twenty two the
45:58
Speaker 15: valocated twenty two billion dollars for the big end of
46:01
Speaker 15: town and called it Future Australia Made, which I read
46:03
Speaker 15: about today, and if you look at it, it's just
46:05
Speaker 15: money going to big companies to buy things that has
46:08
Speaker 15: nothing to do with encouraging innovation in this country. The
46:13
Speaker 15: entrepreneurs have been left behind, small business have been left behind.
46:16
Speaker 15: And it's absolutely insulting to have any Labor politician during
46:20
Speaker 15: the selection campaign stand up and say that they're a
46:24
Speaker 15: party for soule traders, tradees and small business because they're not.
46:29
Speaker 1: And Joe the crazy thing about that, and Amanda's one
46:32
Speaker 1: hundred percent right. They spend the whole campaign dragging TV
46:37
Speaker 1: crews and people journos into small businesses, coffee shops, pubs,
46:42
Speaker 1: fruit and veg stores. They go to all these joints,
46:44
Speaker 1: but they're not doing anything to help them. Yeah.
46:47
Speaker 14: Well, I mean both parties have done the incident asset
46:50
Speaker 14: right off. So Labour's twenty thousand and Peter Darton's thirty
46:54
Speaker 14: thousand caps. So there is that, and that provides cash
46:57
Speaker 14: flow relief and labor has provided tax cuts for income
47:01
Speaker 14: tax cuts for everybody.
47:02
Speaker 15: So that is.
47:04
Speaker 1: That is, that is exactly what you said.
47:06
Speaker 15: Dollars don't shut your business out and an asset right off.
47:10
Speaker 15: If you don't have money to buy the asset, you're
47:12
Speaker 15: not writing anything off. You're shutting your business down.
47:15
Speaker 14: She's got no touch, But some things have been done.
47:17
Speaker 14: I understand that it's not enough, and it will probably
47:19
Speaker 14: never be enough, but they have done a couple of things.
47:22
Speaker 14: And you know, a five dollar tax cut is better
47:24
Speaker 14: than no tax cut it all.
47:25
Speaker 15: Oh, that is that's even worse, Joe. That is the
47:28
Speaker 15: most insulting thing you could say. The whole livelihood has
47:31
Speaker 15: been thrown down the train and here's five bucks, you know,
47:35
Speaker 15: pay for your funeral.
47:37
Speaker 14: Well, I'm sure, I'm sure that though you could do
47:40
Speaker 14: more it.
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Speaker 1: Consultacted with you about it. But you're in trouble. With
47:42
Speaker 1: you on television, I promise you're in trouble. You're not
47:46
Speaker 1: as much trouble though as this independent candidate. Her name
47:50
Speaker 1: is deb Leonard. I think she's a teal. Have a look.
47:55
Speaker 15: I never kind of missy here this white woman wrapped.
47:57
Speaker 15: But you know, it's even worse putting up with Campus
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Speaker 15: twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 1: We've got to chance met him round enough with the
48:03
Speaker 1: streak and turor God help me, Amanda, what was that?
48:11
Speaker 14: It's cultural appropriation?
48:13
Speaker 15: Well, I think her friend hates her because I would
48:16
Speaker 15: never let my friend do that ever. I would literally
48:19
Speaker 15: hope no. So her people hate her.
48:21
Speaker 14: I have to say, Joe, I just look, this is disgraceful.
48:27
Speaker 14: As someone who has spent my life championing identity politics,
48:32
Speaker 14: I feel it's a terrible. What you're going to do next,
48:34
Speaker 14: get a set of corn rows. I mean, this is
48:36
Speaker 14: cultural appropriation.
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Speaker 1: Out of work.
48:38
Speaker 14: It is just shameless racism. When will the colonial colonization stop?
48:43
Speaker 1: It's an election campaign and we love it, don't we
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Speaker 1: Thank you both. I'll see you next week. The world
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