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Jags HQ | Gladstone, Boselli on Trades, Deadline on the Horizon · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jags HQ. Brian Sexton and former Jaguar Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Loggeman sit down each week with the decision makers of
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  Speaker 1: your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to bring you a product that you all
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  Speaker 2: can be proud of.
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  Speaker 3: With that, game on.
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  Speaker 1: Jags HQ starts right now.
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  Speaker 2: Game on, Jags HQ on. Welcome in to the Hyundai
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  Speaker 2: Studios in the Miller Electric Center in Jacksonville. Brian Sexton
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  Speaker 2: along with Jeff Loggeman, we anticipate... the Jaguars Executive Vice
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  Speaker 2: President of Football Operations, Tony Pacelli, and the Jaguars General Manager,
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  Speaker 2: James Gladstone, to join us momentarily. Jaguars back home for
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  Speaker 2: the first time, Jeff Lagerman, in 35 days. And it's
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  Speaker 2: the only time they will be home in 63 days
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  Speaker 2: because they've got three more road games following Sunday's game
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  Speaker 2: here against the Indianapolis Colts.
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  Speaker 4: I counted, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it's
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  Speaker 4: the only game in a 72-day window?
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  Speaker 5: Is that right? 63.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was 72.
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  Speaker 5: Is your math right or is my math right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, nine times seven is 63. It's a nine-week span, so... Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Well, my math might be wrong.
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  Speaker 2: You're the summa cum laude economics grad.
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  Speaker 5: I went to the calendar and actually counted.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you think it's 70?
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  Speaker 5: I think it's 72.
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  Speaker 2: It's a long time. It's a long time away.
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  Speaker 4: We'll have to double-check, confirm, all that kind of stuff
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  Speaker 4: as we get James and Tony all set.
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  Speaker 2: How many days is it between... September 27th and November 29th.
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  Speaker 5: Say what?
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  Speaker 2: We're just trying to calculate.
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  Speaker 6: 62 days. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: My math is right.
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  Speaker 6: I said 62.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 5: 63.
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  Speaker 2: I said, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I said 29, 27. You have one game in that
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  Speaker 2: span is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: So Jaguars fans, they are on standing room only tickets.
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  Speaker 5: One game here.
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  Speaker 6: So one game in 62 days, is that what you're
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  Speaker 6: telling me?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Is it 63 or 70? I don't know what
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  Speaker 5: it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's not 70. Listen, I'm going to Google, so take
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  Speaker 2: the conversation from me. How are you, James? Nice to
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  Speaker 2: see you, Tony.
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  Speaker 3: Life is good.
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  Speaker 5: So are we trading for anybody?
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  Speaker 3: Time will tell.
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  Speaker 5: Are we trading anybody?
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  Speaker 3: Time will tell.
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  Speaker 2: He goes right for the jugular, doesn't he?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know if it's the jugular as much as
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  Speaker 7: it is just the– Bad time of year.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's starting a little bit early too, I think, right?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I guess.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the number of trades that.
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  Speaker 4: Have happened already before. I mean, a lot of times
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  Speaker 4: it kind of happens as you get closer to the deadline.
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  Speaker 7: Usually it happens following the Sunday slate of games just
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  Speaker 7: ahead of the deadline.
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  Speaker 5: Just as it has?
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  Speaker 7: That's typically when you see the highest volume.
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  Speaker 3: I think last year it was 12.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe on day of or within the 36-hour window before.
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  Speaker 5: Of the deadline.
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  Speaker 2: I think so.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken. But, I mean, you get the.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, when did we make the trade for Greg
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  Speaker 3: Newsome last year?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, like week three?
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  Speaker 3: Week six.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was early.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I was way off.
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  Speaker 3: Week six.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess if you want to call early. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Where are we now? Week eight?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is week eight. So the week leading up
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  Speaker 2: to the trade deadline is week nine. Yeah. So here's
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  Speaker 2: a question. Do you think next week will be insanely busy,
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  Speaker 2: or are we seeing all the big deals on the
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  Speaker 2: front end here?
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  Speaker 3: Time will tell.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, there's really no telling.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It just feels like such a frenzy because there's just
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  Speaker 2: every story that you see is about trade, trade, trade, trade, trade.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's a function of the big names that have
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  Speaker 2: come already.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think it's the... I think probably what kicked
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  Speaker 6: it off this year was the firing of Chris Ballard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So then, you know, that sends a sign within the organization,
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  Speaker 6: you know, upheaval overall, whatever you want to call it.
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  Speaker 5: Probably made the phone ring a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 6: You get two big names there. And then I think
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  Speaker 6: what the Bears proved last night, you go big game hunting,
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  Speaker 6: they made an offer that Tennessee couldn't refuse. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: if you believe, and there's no reason not to, what
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  Speaker 6: Borghansi said is they were not planning on trading Jeffrey Simmons.
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  Speaker 6: But when someone offers what they did, they had to
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  Speaker 6: consider it where they were. So I think these things
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  Speaker 6: can happen out of the blue.
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  Speaker 3: Right. If only it were in a different division.
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  Speaker 7: In that the typical approach of inter-division trades isn't generally
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  Speaker 7: on the table.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, you would have no shot at a
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons playing in the AFC South.
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  Speaker 7: It's nice to not have to play him twice a year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's positive.
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  Speaker 3: That's a net positive.
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  Speaker 6: We could play them twice this year.
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  Speaker 3: Time will tell.
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  Speaker 6: You've got to earn the second one.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder where you heard that.
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  Speaker 2: Someone told me that next to me. Has it been
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  Speaker 2: a good week? Rule three. From your perspective, you see
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  Speaker 2: two really good football players leave the Colts and an
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  Speaker 2: excellent football player leave the Titans. Is that, as Tom
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  Speaker 2: Coughlin used to say, addition by subtraction?
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  Speaker 3: Look, it's going to.
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  Speaker 7: What ends up happening outside of Our halls can't be
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  Speaker 7: where our focus falls.
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  Speaker 3: We do need to root ourselves.
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  Speaker 7: In the current moment, in the current preparation for the opponent,
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  Speaker 7: and make sure we handle business. So I got to
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  Speaker 7: say that that's where a lot of the attention has
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  Speaker 7: to remain and stays because that is truly what we
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  Speaker 7: can have some version of control over, all the rest
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  Speaker 7: of it, especially when it's within our division and those teams.
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  Speaker 7: It's not going to be a lot that we can
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  Speaker 7: do other than go play a game and try to
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  Speaker 7: do our best in that setting. And obviously, we've got
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  Speaker 7: roughly a couple weeks here to see whether or not
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  Speaker 7: there's any additions you can make that you feel like
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  Speaker 7: continue to improve your cause.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the one thing I'd add to what James said,
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  Speaker 6: I think it is very dangerous. We're playing an opponent
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  Speaker 6: in the Colts that traded two players away. I think
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  Speaker 6: the narrative... outside the building is, oh, they got worse,
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  Speaker 6: easier game, whatever you want to say. That is so
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  Speaker 6: dangerous because I've been on teams, seen teams, we've all
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  Speaker 6: seen it. Something happens internally actually can galvanize the building,
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  Speaker 6: the locker room, and they still have a ton of
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  Speaker 6: really good players. They have one of the best running
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  Speaker 6: backs in the league. They have a wide receiver in
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  Speaker 6: downs who's playing at a high level. They have a,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I'm not going to try to say his
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  Speaker 6: name because I'll butcher it, A young pass rusher, number 95,
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  Speaker 6: who is a very, very good player. I mean, is
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  Speaker 6: really getting after people. That's a good football team. One
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  Speaker 6: of the best corners in football in Sauce Gardner. You've
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  Speaker 6: got Ward on the other side. I mean, I can
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  Speaker 6: go down the list. And so the danger is, I
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  Speaker 6: think what James is saying, is echoed throughout internally here
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  Speaker 6: at least, and how we feel as an organization, how
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  Speaker 6: the coaching staff, our players are approaching it.
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  Speaker 2: This is a good team.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of times, Jeff, you and I have been
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  Speaker 6: in locker rooms where adversity hits and I'll go back
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  Speaker 6: to 96.
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  Speaker 2: We cut.
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  Speaker 6: We didn't even trade. Tried to get something for Bad
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  Speaker 6: Moon Rising.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that day well.
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  Speaker 6: And it was absolute chaos.
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  Speaker 2: And you didn't lose again.
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  Speaker 6: In the locker room.
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  Speaker 4: People mad. That was one of the most epic team
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  Speaker 4: meetings ever, maybe.
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  Speaker 5: It was unreal.
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  Speaker 2: Which one?
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  Speaker 3: Before they ended up moving off.
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  Speaker 6: But that locker room, I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was a second-year player. Jeff was older.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe he experienced stuff in the chaotic Jets organization that
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  Speaker 6: he was a part of.
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  Speaker 2: But I was never like, wow.
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  Speaker 6: This is like people were– players were mad, angry at Tom.
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  Speaker 5: But not surprised. Not surprised.
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  Speaker 6: Well, but there were a lot of people surprised, thought
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  Speaker 6: it was the wrong move, were mad at Tom. Now,
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  Speaker 6: there were certain people who.
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  Speaker 5: Was like, well– There were some that were like good riddance.
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  Speaker 6: There was, but my point is that could have been
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  Speaker 6: a situation from the outside like, oh, that's a fractured
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  Speaker 6: locker room or a locker room that's mad. We did
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  Speaker 6: not lose a game until the AFC Championship.
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  Speaker 4: I remember him telling me one time on the bus
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  Speaker 4: that he goes, people think that Willie Nelson smoked a
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  Speaker 4: lot of weed.
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  Speaker 5: They ain't got nothing on me. He had a.
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  Speaker 6: Lot of one-liners that we can't share on the radio.
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  Speaker 6: But I guess my broader point is I don't buy this.
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  Speaker 6: I know what Tom was saying, addition by subtraction. Maybe
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  Speaker 6: over the long haul. Obviously, those are two good players
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  Speaker 6: the Colts traded away. Obviously, Jeffrey Simmons is one of
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  Speaker 6: the best three techniques in football. But football is the
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  Speaker 6: ultimate team sport. It's not one individual. It's the sum
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  Speaker 6: of the parts. And I've seen too many times where
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  Speaker 6: you get rid of one part, even as good a
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  Speaker 6: player as they are. And maybe they're great guys. I'm
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  Speaker 6: not saying there's anything wrong. Obviously, you hear the players
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  Speaker 6: talk about those individuals. They speak highly of them. But
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  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, for whatever reason, whether it's chemistry,
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  Speaker 6: whether it's cohesion, whether it's a rallying cry, us against
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  Speaker 6: the world, I don't know what it is. But the
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  Speaker 6: team plays better. It might not be more talented. Right?
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  Speaker 2: But it just plays better.
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  Speaker 6: And so I know this as far as from the
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  Speaker 6: organization standpoint, we highly respect the Indianapolis Colts. Shane Steichen
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  Speaker 6: is one hell of a football coach. Again, I'll repeat myself,
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  Speaker 6: one of the best running backs in the entire league.
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  Speaker 6: Lou Almaro is a very good defensive coordinator that puts
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  Speaker 6: a lot of pressure on offenses. This is a division matchup.
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  Speaker 6: Tell me the last time you go into a division
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  Speaker 6: game thinking it's going to be It just doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 6: This is a tough matchup, and we better be ready
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  Speaker 6: to play because I guarantee the Colts are going to
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  Speaker 6: show up and be ready to play.
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  Speaker 3: Guys coming back from injury. I mean, that they haven't
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  Speaker 3: had in the last couple weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Best young tight ends.
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  Speaker 4: We were talking a little bit earlier about, you know,
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  Speaker 4: everybody was kind of talking about the Eagles game. It
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  Speaker 4: was like, oh, they were missing all their offensive linemen,
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  Speaker 4: and this guy's hurt, and that guy.
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  Speaker 5: Hurt.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they took you to the end and almost had
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  Speaker 4: it there with eight seconds left in that ball game.
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  Speaker 5: That's all you got to do is look back at
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  Speaker 5: that game.
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  Speaker 7: These guys coming to town, they are getting paid to
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  Speaker 7: play and they are trying to earn more. They're trying
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  Speaker 7: to do their part to ensure that in a lot
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  Speaker 7: of ways they don't, look anything but like good football
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  Speaker 7: players and a good football team. They're not simply going
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  Speaker 7: to show up and give it to you. And so
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  Speaker 7: if we start looking beyond or looking at dynamics that
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  Speaker 7: aren't specific to us executing what we can on Sunday
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  Speaker 7: and ensuring that that ends up helping our cause, then
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  Speaker 7: we're going to be in a world of hurt.
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  Speaker 3: So we're starting to stay focused.
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  Speaker 4: From a general manager standpoint at this time of year,
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  Speaker 4: how do you weigh– the values of trades? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: how do you look at that? I mean, because there's
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  Speaker 4: so many different ways to look at it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: because everybody has a different way of computing, okay, the
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  Speaker 4: value and what you're giving up into what you're getting.
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  Speaker 7: Generally speaking, the different ways of coming up to that
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  Speaker 7: value aren't all that different or separate. Most folks are
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  Speaker 7: actually leveraging very similar tools and outputs, and usually through comps,
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  Speaker 7: You can come to some version of alignment if both
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  Speaker 7: parties are interested in finding an agreement.
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  Speaker 3: It does take two, right?
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  Speaker 7: It can't just simply be that we're going to put
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  Speaker 7: an offer that can't be refused, so to speak, out
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  Speaker 7: in front of you, and it's going to get accepted.
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  Speaker 7: Sometimes it actually does get refused. And I would say
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  Speaker 7: that probably happens more than anybody actually understands on the
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  Speaker 7: outside looking in. It simply takes two to tango. And
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  Speaker 7: you try to work through that. And sometimes, yeah, you're
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  Speaker 7: forced to pry somebody out. It's the willingness to do
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  Speaker 7: so in those instances that it would have to show itself.
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  Speaker 7: And there are also dynamics at work that, look, compensation
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  Speaker 7: is going to have to be more significant if it
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  Speaker 7: requires a team to take on dollar amounts with it.
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  Speaker 7: Von Miller was an example. as a player who was
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  Speaker 7: in the final year of his contract, had too much
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  Speaker 7: money on the books for us in Los Angeles to
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  Speaker 7: acquire him at that point in time. So we had
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  Speaker 7: to increase draft capital in order to ensure that the
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  Speaker 7: Denver Broncos could pallet that. You only got that for
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  Speaker 7: a stretch run of.
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  Speaker 3: The back half of a season. It led to a
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl, which is.
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  Speaker 7: Great, but he ends up signing to the Buffalo Bills,
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  Speaker 7: and That's all you got for that. So typically a
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  Speaker 7: second-round pick would stick around longer. But you have to
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  Speaker 7: have that tradeoff, and sometimes that's not going to be
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  Speaker 7: something that's tangibly measurable on the front end, so to speak,
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  Speaker 7: when you have that give and take. So a little
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  Speaker 7: bit of it's in the same ballpark as a play
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  Speaker 7: caller or a decision maker on game day, whether or
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  Speaker 7: not to go for it on a fourth down. based
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  Speaker 7: off a specific scenario, game flow, all those types of things.
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  Speaker 6: And I think the other thing that you always have
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  Speaker 6: to keep in mind, and I'll leave the analytics and
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  Speaker 6: the value to James, and he's the expert in that area.
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  Speaker 6: I think you also got to look at it because,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you read about this Jeffrey Simmons trade. You
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  Speaker 6: hear people saying they gave up too much, two first
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  Speaker 6: rounders and a fourth, and they got back a fifth,
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  Speaker 6: whatever it was. The reality is this. Does it make
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  Speaker 6: you better as a football team? And does it help
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  Speaker 6: you win games? And what's the value of winning games
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  Speaker 6: and ultimately trying to win a championship? Because at the
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  Speaker 6: end of the day, we can play this math, and
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  Speaker 6: we can go down all the charts, and the chart
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  Speaker 6: says who won the trade. To me, of the group
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  Speaker 6: between James and our for-office, the least knowledgeable in saying
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  Speaker 6: what the value of a certain trade for what is,
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  Speaker 6: the simple question is, does it make us better? Is
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  Speaker 6: it going to help us win football games? And I
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  Speaker 6: think that's what ultimately every club is trying to do.
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  Speaker 6: And so the value of that player, in the case
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  Speaker 6: of the Chicago Bears, they're looking at Jeffrey Simmons, who
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  Speaker 6: we all know is a very good player. Are we
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  Speaker 6: going to argue whether it's two ones? If they win
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  Speaker 6: a Super Bowl, is three ones worth it? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows what it's worth?
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  Speaker 6: But to them, if it makes them better and they
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  Speaker 6: can go win a championship or compete for a championship,
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  Speaker 6: isn't that the job?
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  Speaker 2: They'll decide.
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  Speaker 6: They'll decide.
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  Speaker 2: Whether it was worth it or not, we'll find out.
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  Speaker 2: We'll come back. This is Jags HQ. Tony Buscelli's here.
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  Speaker 2: James Gladstone's here, along with Jeff Lagerman. And we'll return
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  Speaker 2: after this on the Jaguars Radio Network.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
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  Speaker 2: All right, rolling right along here with Mr. Buscelli, Mr. Gladstone,
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  Speaker 2: and Mr. Lagerman. Two more segments with these two gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: Do you enjoy this? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Football is the absolute best.
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  Speaker 2: Strategic opportunities for you to investigate, whether there's companies or not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell a story. I know you're enjoying it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell a story.
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  Speaker 6: There's a conversation about trades.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not going to name the team. The GM of
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  Speaker 6: this team was basically bemoaning how miserable, how stressful this
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  Speaker 6: time was. And James looked at me and was like,
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  Speaker 6: this is like the greatest thing I could do.
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  Speaker 5: It's like Christmas?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, just being strategic. Not just trading, but draft.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, all this stuff. And that's why I laughed
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  Speaker 6: when you asked the question, are you enjoying this?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the job.
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: You better enjoy the roster.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, James is.
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: Is this the best part of.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Being a GM?
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: It's the equivalent of asking a coach, like, hey, do
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: you enjoy game day? Or a player, do you enjoy performing?
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: That's the equivalent to a degree.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: This is.
• 16:05
  Speaker 7: The– if we try to apply it to that, it's
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: like running a route if you're a wide receiver. It's
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: not like it's the only portion of the job.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: It is a– it's a part of it. Still got
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: to catch a ball or an equivalent.
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: Hey, you still got to make a draft selection or
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: assign somebody to an extension, score a touchdown.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Right, those types of things.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: So there are.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: Layers to it, and there are some you like more
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: than others.
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: I can tell you that like, yeah, firing someone isn't
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: like a fulfilling element of the job.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: I have to fire people fairly frequently in comparison to
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: the general person.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: That's not great. Now delivering that message.
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: Doing so in a respectful and appropriate means is something
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: I take pride in those types of things.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: So you try to, you try to find some level
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: of art.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: This is a, a challenging piece to it, but how
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: can we make it as good as possible?
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Those types of things.
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: This is an enjoyable piece of the puzzle. We're in it,
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: and we have a chance to continue to compete at
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: a high level. How can we level up in the
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: most effective ways possible? We'll explore those avenues as we
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: get towards the trade deadline, and it'll exist beyond that
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: because it doesn't just stop at trades is improvement. It
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: can happen with street free agents and practice squad players
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: on other teams that when a void presents itself down
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: the stretch, you've got to be able to supplement because
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: I can think back to my own experience. There are
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: street free agents right now that aren't currently playing football
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: that are likely to help a team at some point
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: during a December, January game and into postseason play. Eric
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: Weddle was a guy who had left football and came
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: back for just a few games for us.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: And helped win a Super Bowl.
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: Those are still avenues for improvement that exist beyond just
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: a trade deadline.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Does that mean Aaron Donald was a street-free agent?
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: He was technically retired.
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: You still had the– Graham still had the rights.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Whereas Weddle was– A true free agent.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: A true free agent.
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: He didn't have his rights tied to– I think it's– I.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: Laugh because the question is no different. And that's why
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: when I heard– because it's stressful. I'm sure every GM
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: is stressed at this time, which is natural.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: GMs don't look stressed.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: No, but when it's stressful, that doesn't mean it's bad.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: That's why I asked him the question, like, do you enjoy–
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: and he's like, yeah, this is what you live for.
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: It's like asking a player– Going into a game, were
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: you stressed about the game? Is there anxiety? Is there
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: nerves or whatever? Absolutely there are. But at the same time,
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: it's like, what else? This is why you do the job.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: And so I'm sure every GM right now across the
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: league has some stress, some anxiety or whatever, trying to
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: build the roster or they're making– I can't imagine the
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: stress that Borgonzi went through. I mean, this is the
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: face of their franchise.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: A guy who loves Nashville, represents the organization, that's not
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: an easy decision. But at the same time, I'm sure
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: there's a part of him like, hey, this is what
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: I get paid to do. Like you live for the
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: moments of trying to make the big decisions. And that's what,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think it would be like no different
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: than a player or a GM or anyone. And it's all,
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: it's high pressure jobs because it's a production business. And
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: we all live that. But at the same time, that's
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: why you do What you do is because it's like the,
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it's an adrenaline rush or whatever
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: it is, but man.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: But look, you don't just trade to trade. You're talking
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: about team building dynamics. not just simply talent acquisition. And
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: so much of this can cause ripple effects that you
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: may have not had any insight into on the front
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: end of it. Or you could have engineered it so
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: gracefully that it triggered a spark.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: That you needed.
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: So these things can become double-edged swords if you're you're
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: not tactful about it or not all that thoughtful it's
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: not going to just trade for trade's sake you know
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: it's only in the instance that we're actually feeling as
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: if it's a true improvement or for the best of
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: the organization as a whole and in those instances we'll
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: be strategically bold.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: What is what is more exciting drafting or.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: Trading winning football games is the most exciting and fulfilling
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: element And I will say it's all rooted there.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: We keep it focused on the grass. And so.
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: I don't expect everyone to understand some of the things
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: that we do, but that is why we do it.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: It's to win football games.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: And so our decisions point towards that. Our processes point
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: towards that. And I like to think it's something that
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: we can continue to see show itself.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: But nonetheless, only time will tell.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: And I think that's the thing that, and I got
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: to believe, I don't want to speak, every GM has
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: a hard job, and I'm sure, and every team is
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: trying to win football games, I think, at the end
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: of the day. I think the key is, I think
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: what we try to do, whether we do a good
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: job or not, ultimately, James has said a couple of times,
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: when you ask questions, time will tell, is the result
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: will speak for themselves, but Ultimately, every decision you're trying
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: to make is to win games. And so all part
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: of it. And again, I go back to, and I've
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: told James this a million times, back to the interview
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: process when we were going through GM searches. One of
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: the things that stood out in why James is our
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: GM is, and I've used this term, and so I've
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: broken one of the main rules because he is the
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: one I first heard it through, is engineering team dynamics.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: Because at the end of the day, and maybe he
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: got it from someone else and we'll give them credit too,
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: but at the end of the day, you're trying to
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: build a team. And one of the things when I
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: was on, and you're doing what you guys did, a
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: lot of times you hear people talking about the draft
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: or trades or getting draft capital or whatever, or fans
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: talk about it all the time.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Hey, we should go get this guy or.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: That guy or that guy. And I'm like, this is
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: not fantasy football because as a player, and I think
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: the 96 team probably– spoke to me.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: More than anything.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: We were not the most talented group of individuals by
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: any means. But I'll say by the end of the year,
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: we were one of the best teams in the NFL
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: because of how we played together. Like, there was complementary pieces.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: It fit together. Our offense wasn't one of the top offenses.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: Our defense wasn't one of the top defenses. I mean,
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: we had a bunch of young guys, veterans, but there
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: was something about. And, you know, when I look back
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: on that, one of the added pieces that I thought
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: got us over the top was a waiver wire ad
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: in Clyde Simmons before the last preseason game of the year.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: And Clyde, and Jeff can speak to it because he
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: was in the same D-line room as him, as an
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: offensive tackle, what he did for me. And I watched
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: him in the locker room. That was a piece that
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: came in when it got chaotic. We had another veteran
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: besides just Jeff and other guys that came in and
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: had been on great teams in the Eagles. Not in
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: the championship, but great defenses. And there was a presence that,
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: like that move right there.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: I think we traded for him.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Did we trade or did we acquire him?
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Right before the season.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: It was right before the season. I can't remember.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: But anyways, we acquired him somehow. And that move right there.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: And then the move that Tom made to Andre, those
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: are dynamics that you can't explain that make you a
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: better team.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I just have to say, I flew commercial to Denver
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: for that game. And I was on the flight with
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Clyde Simmons, and he got off the flight, and there
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: was Corey Mayfield, the player that the Jaguars released to
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: make room for him. And he went and put his
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: arm around Corey Mayfield and spent five minutes talking to
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: him about his career.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: Corey and I shared the first sack in Jaguars history.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Is Clyde still coaching?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he still is or not.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he is, but that's my point.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: And James can articulate it, and I think he's done
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: a great job tonight. In this process, and I think
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: I can't speak for everyone else, but when you approach it,
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: and that's what I've been so enjoyed this process, is
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: when you think about it. And that's why I laughed
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: at the consensus board stuff last year, made fun of people,
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: and I got killed for doing it. is best for us.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: That doesn't mean it's the right pick for somebody else.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: They're trying to do something else. They have different dynamics.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: They're trying to build a different culture, whatever it is.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: That's why there's no such thing as consensus.
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: And so I think that's the key thing that when
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: you think about, and I think for our fans as
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: you're thinking about, every team's trying to do something, and
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: they're trying to win games, but they have their formula,
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: their way of doing it, their culture.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Whatever that is.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: And so what we do or don't do, just trust
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: me when I say that James and Liam and myself,
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: when those guys think about it, and he thinks about
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: it by a minute-by-minute basis, how can I make this
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: team better?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: We need a break. We'll take it. Come back with
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: one short segment to talk about the Colts game here
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: on Sunday, which will be the only game in 63 days, Logs.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: So the journalism, the economics.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Your math is way better than mine. I used Google.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: You said 70.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: I thought it was like 70.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: We're back at the Minnesota Jaguars radio.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I went no comp.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: All right, so I said short. We've got like four
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: minutes here. You get the Colts in on Sunday. When
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: you look at the football team, you mentioned there's plenty
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: of really good football players there. Jonathan Taylor at the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: forefront of that. Even without Quentin Nelson... It makes sense
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: when you look at his performance and his production that
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: he's a guy that's going to be very difficult to
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: make them one-dimensional.
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: The offense is going to go through him. As far
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: as the running game, they want to run the ball.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: They've got a good rookie in there, a guy out
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: of Kentucky, Farmer.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Big, strong guard.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: Obviously, you're not going to replace Nelson. He's an all-pro guard.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Six-time all-pro.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: This is a good football player. We liked him a
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: lot coming out of Kentucky. It's going to go through him.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: In the past game, they're getting Tyler Warren back. you know, dynamic,
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: move the chains, tight end. And so it's an offense.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: And I believe that Daniel Jones is just going to
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: get better and better game in game as he gets
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: more of the feel. I mean, obviously coming off a
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: major injury last year with the Achilles, but he's only
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: going to be better this week than he was last week.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: And so this is a team that is dangerous in
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: offense and can get after you.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the one guy that Daniel Jones seems to have
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: a rapport with is Keenan Allen, who is.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: A– Most QBs have a good rapport.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: It's amazing how good he is, though.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, all these years, I mean, he's just been
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: the complete model of consistency.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Preach, preach.
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: And that's the truest measure of performance, right, is how
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: frequently can you perform at a high level one season
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: after the next. You know, is there a roller coaster
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: or is it stable? And for him, it's been consistent.
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: And he'll have to be somebody that, you know, will,
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: match up against and ensure it doesn't pop off or
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: allow explosives to continue to show themselves, and that's an
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: area of focus for ourselves.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: But the guy to stop, though, is Jonathan Taylor. I mean,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: he's a great back. His personal best is against this
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: football team. Going back to that day was a whole
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: lot of fun to.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Be a part of. Watching him just run up and
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: down the field all day.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God. It was, you know.
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: And he can do it even when it's not a handoff.
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: His screen game is rather impressive as well. So it's
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: not something that you can just write off and say
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: it's one-dimensional, even with him specifically.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: I'd like to get him in pass protection a little bit.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Because watching him on tape, that doesn't seem to be
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: his forte.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: You know what? When you're as good as he is
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: with the ball in hand, I'd be a little more like, hey,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: let me get him.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: Let's get him out in the pass game.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Let me get out there for a route.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: Maybe it's a strategy. He's like, I'm not going to
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: be very good at this.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: So he called more runs.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: There's levels to this, and he's operating it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: He might be playing chess, and we're all playing checkers.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: All right. That'll do it. We will see you guys
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: on Sunday. Only home game in 63 days. I just
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: have to say that one more time. Thank you.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: How many more days after that one?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Then you come back. You go to Houston?
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I have to look at the schedule. I'm focused just
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: on this game.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: It's the most important game in the history of franchise.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Next game. I'll tell you that later. We'll take a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: break and come back.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: We don't have the internet.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: We'll be back after this on the Jaguars Radio Network.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Brian Sexton along with Jeff Lagerman going till straight up
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: six o'clock here on the eastern seaboard, five o'clock for
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: parts west of here in the central time zone. You
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: got the distinct, if you were listening between the lines,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: that the Jaguars are very active in conversation in this
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: trade period. Whether or not it ever comes to anything,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: they are not shy about having conversations.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say that that would be very accurate.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: That much was very, very clear. Listen, there's some issues
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that they have to deal with. One is they've only
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: got $ 8 million in cap room, so they've got to start... Yeah,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: but I... They can make more.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, you can massage things a little bit here
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: or there and get what you need, I think, for,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: you know, I mean, on a reasonable level. But, I mean,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: you're not going to absorb all of a sudden, you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: a $ 50 million contract.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Is there a.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: I think they have about $ 8 million.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, look, you've got guys that you can
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: rob from Peter to pay Paul.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Move some money forward, and then all of a sudden
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: you're good.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: You could do what the Eagles have done for years,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: which is just constantly push money out.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: Which, by the way, they're in deep doo-doo.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Well, you know it's coming at some point.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Right now, because when Lane Johnson decided to walk away,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: that's the reason why they traded their all-pro center, who
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: was playing guard.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: They need the cap room.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, because of the cap consequences of Lane Johnson retiring.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: And they're playing with a 52-man roster right now because
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: they can't move him to the retirement list for salary
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: cap reasons. So they have to keep him on the
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: active roster. He's just inactive every week.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: And it's funny how Howie Roseman has yet to address
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: any of that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I don't think he wants to admit it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: There are some people that believe that the salary cap
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't really exist, that you can do whatever you want,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: in part because Howie Roseman has been so aggressive. And listen,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: for them, what did they win?
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: It's paid off.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Three division titles, two appearances in the Super Bowl, and
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl title. There are a lot of people
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: in North Florida that say.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Give me that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Give us one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Give me that. I'm still of that school where in 2002,
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  Speaker 2: we were like, twitching because the Jaguars were in such
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: bad shape because of salary cap issues. I don't ever
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: want to go back to that. But I do like
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the fact that they're willing to be aggressive if it
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: helps them move. And I also got the impression that
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: if someone had called them and said, would you like
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons? They might have said yes.
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  Speaker 5: I got that impression. Right.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: They might have said yes.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: There was a little bit of a frown on their
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: face when they were talking about how people don't like
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: to trade in the division.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, the word on the street.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: The greatest answer that James had, okay, when I asked him,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I said, what's more exciting, what's better, drafting or trading?
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  Speaker 5: Winning football games.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: If you're a Jaguars fan, you love to hear that.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, does it get any better than that?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: The word on the street, football people, neither the Colts
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: or the Titans were going to trade inside the AFC South.
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  Speaker 2: They were not going to send their best players to
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  Speaker 2: a team that they would have to face him. Into
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the future. They were moving outside the division.
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  Speaker 4: Look, the reality is that I think there's always a
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: willingness to trade in the division.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: It's just the price goes up.
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  Speaker 2: How much higher could it go than two ones?
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it can go higher than that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose it can.
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  Speaker 5: Because here's the reality.
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  Speaker 4: If I'm in division, all of a sudden I've got
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: a team out of the division that's offering me two ones,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: and I've got a team in the division that's offering
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  Speaker 4: me four ones.
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  Speaker 5: Here you go. Take the player. I'll take your four ones.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you very much.
• 32:47
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• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Brian Sexton, Jeff Lagerman with you from the Hyundai Studios
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: in Jacksonville. And we spent, listen, this is what happens
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: when the trade conversation becomes the dominant theme in the
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: NFL in week eight. We spent all our time talking
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: about the Colts and their quarterback and, and Daniel Jones and, uh,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor and who they've traded away. And yet Jaguars
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: have a quarterback who is playing at an insanely high
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: level right now.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: It's like what fifth ranked quarterback in the national football
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: league passer rating wise.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Um, but I'm not sure I'd take anyone else over
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: him right now.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm, well, I mean, look, uh, there's a guy
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: by the name of Josh Allen's pretty good. Um, Patrick
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Mahomes is starting to round into shape a little bit.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I still like our guy.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Just some statistical things here. His completion percentage, he was
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: actually on track to have a career high in completion percentage,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: but fell off a little bit against the Houston Texans there,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: which seems to be the team that he struggles with
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: the most.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Jaguars have struggled the most with him.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Definitely.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: 3-14 in the last 17 against them.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: His history against the Colts has been impressive. especially at home.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: I think it's 10 touchdowns, two interceptions, and five games.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: His passer rating has been over 100 almost every time.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: And if you look at him over the last 12 games,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: nine of his games have been over 100 rating. He's
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: thrown 29 touchdowns, five picks. He is as hot of
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: a quarterback as there is in National Football League.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I just watch him on the practice field and am impressed.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: With the way that he runs practice.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: He runs it. That's the difference.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: That's the biggest difference that you can see with him
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: from last year to this year and in all the
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: previous years. And last year and the previous years, he
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: was always taking direction and coaching and listening. And now
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: it's as if it's just flowing out of him and
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: he's given the direction to a lot of his teammates.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: instead of waiting for a coach to come talk to him,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: and then the coach goes over and talks.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: To the player to get it all right.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Trevor is, he knows, and he's going right with the
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: player and talking about it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't, to my recollection, Jeff,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I've never seen a quarterback practice like this guy practices
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: in Jacksonville, in terms of running the practice.
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  Speaker 5: Mark did a pretty good job of it back in
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: the day.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Tom just had such a stranglehold on everything.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: But he was so domineering. Absolutely.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, it was hard for a quarterback to take
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: control with Tom because Tom had such a strong hand.
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  Speaker 2: It's a different era. There's no doubt.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Totally different era.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: It's a completely different era.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: But there's other quarterbacks that I have talked to different
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: people about that were like that, that they run the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: A perfect example.
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  Speaker 4: Is I remember one year when we went to New
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: England's practice, Tom Brady ran the practice offensively. And even
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: though Josh McDaniels was the offensive coordinator, Tom wanted it
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: his way, and he was the one that was– and
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: then after he got done– Tom Brady was the one
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: doing the talking to all the players, and then he
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: would go back and talk to Josh briefly. But Tom
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: was running the show. And Tom was not one of
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: those guys– and this was the neatest quirk. Tom would
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: not work with like a third-team wide receiver– On the field.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: He absolutely would not allow it. He only worked with
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: the guys that he was going to work with on
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: game day, and he wouldn't have anybody else in there.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: He's going to make the most of every rep because
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: you only get so many. And that includes us. We
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: only have so much time between each segment. So let's
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: take our next break. You're listening to Jags HQ on
• 37:24
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• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: And we are steaming towards the end of this program
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: at 6 o'clock straight up here in Jacksonville. Brian and
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Jeff with you from the Hyundai Studios inside the Miller
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Electric Center right outside Everbank Stadium. Time for the UF
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Health Injury Report brought to you as it is every
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Thursday by UF Health, the official health care provider of
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars. Just a note or two on the Jaguars.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: um antonio johnson did not participate today second straight day
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: he had the ankle injury against the texans in london
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: not looking good for him to be able to return
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: on sunday perhaps he could be ready to play in
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: the thursday game on the quick turnaround we'll find out
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: laquint allen jr added to the injury report today uh
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: with a hamstring and he was limited and as you
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: look at the um The Colts, really, Tyler Warren, limited today,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: tight end, and Justin Wally, their nickelback, did not participate
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: for the second straight day. The interesting part about that
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: is they have so many injuries in the second year.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I guess Sauce Gardner... Also, moving from limited to full,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: they'll get Gardner back. They may not have Wally. That's
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: a secondary influx. Okay, Jaguars and Colts, Sunday, 1 o'clock
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: kickoff here at Everbank Stadium. Jaguars wearing their rivalry uniforms,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: and we've got a first look at the teal helmets.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: Never been worn yet.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Have not been worn, and people probably see the picture
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: on the Internet.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I do, too.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were kind of talking about that. Look, I'm
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: not a fashion consultant by any means.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Unless we're talking about the right camo to wear when.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: You're in the woods. Exactly, but I can tell you
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: that compared to the old... Two-tone helmet? Yeah. Which totally stunk.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: I like the uniforms. I think they're pretty snazzy. And
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: what I like most are the pants.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I've seen a picture.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen them in person. So there's a light
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: spot to it, right?
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: So it's almost like jaguar print, right?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Like the black jaguar at the zoo.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: And so it has like little, the pants are all black,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: but they have just very subtle prints in them. And
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: then they have different parts of Jacksonville. Like the beaches,
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: San Marco, Riverside, Avondale.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: I think that's really cool.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I think all three. The jersey is handsome, right? I
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: like it. When you see the jersey in person, even
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: the replica jerseys, which are hanging in the pro shop here,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: which are for sale, by the way. No one asked
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: me to say that. I just figured it would. They're handsome.
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  Speaker 5: I like the whole uniform.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Look, I'm a traditionalist, and I believe that there should
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: be some type of standard uniform, which is what we
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: have been wearing.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: And I think it's fantastic wearing the teal jerseys, the
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: black helmets like we did from day one. I like
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: the alternate uniform just because it creates some fun.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: They're going to wear them three times.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Years ago, and you and I can share the story,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: because I always wanted to have that print in the
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: black helmet.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Yes. And there was actually going to be one.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Marty Cothran, our buddy from Rydell, showed me a prototype
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: when they were looking at changing the uniform back in 2018, right?
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: So late 2017 or off-season 2018.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: And he showed it to me, and I went, wow.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And it was awesome. It was very forward-thinking. And people go, well, listen,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, why not go with it? Forward-thinking. They went
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: with the two-tone helmet. It didn't pass the muster of
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: certain people in the building.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Vice President of Football Operations Tom Coughlin said no. A
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: traditionalist all the way. A traditionalist all the way.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: I always had two thoughts.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: I wanted to have that Jaguar kind of or leopard
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: print kind of subtle somehow in the helmet or in
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: the uniform or– Some type of, because, you know, we're
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: a military town.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Some type of Navy camo incorporated into the uniform I
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: thought would have been pretty cool.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Vic Ketchman always used to talk about that as well
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and how to kind of weave that all together. I'll
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: say this. The other thing that Marty told me is
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: getting the teal on that helmet right. Teal is the
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: most difficult color. And he said it was a, I mean,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: they took great pains to. to get the helmet looking
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: as good as it does. And one thing you'll notice
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: when you look at the helmet, the decal. So you're
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: looking at it right now.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: It's different.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: It's translucent. So it is a much lighter shade of gold.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: It's got more of a sand color.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: Yes. Like a beach sand color.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, very much so. And I think it looks cool.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: I think it looks fantastic, and I'm excited to see
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: the uniforms. I'm also excited to see some of the
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: former Jaguars come in. It's Legends weekend.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: And so there will be numerous Legends in town for
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: different events that the team has, including the ability to
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: come out to watch practice on Saturday or having a
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: dinner on Saturday night. an event on Friday night, a
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: breakfast on Sunday. It's a bunch of events.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: They've worked hard.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: It's always good to see some of the old guys.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, they have worked hard to make the Legends
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: program in Jacksonville one of the better ones in the league,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: and they're always getting after it. So congratulations to that
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: crew over there in the Jaguars Community Foundation for what
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: they do. Final break, final segment coming up next. You're
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: listening to Jags HQ on Jaguars Radio. All right, Sunday,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Jaguars and Colts from Everbank Stadium. Only game in a
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: 63-day span. And Mark Lamping talked earlier today about how
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: valuable that time was for the construction team to get
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: everything in place so that they can stay on schedule
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: for the 2028 opener in the minute that we have left.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make this a venerable old building
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: because it's not, but there's a lot of memories in
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: this building for a lot of us.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: A lot of great memories.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people who are listening.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's kind of cool that the memories are
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: going to stay with the building because they're not completely
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: tearing everything down.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: You bet. So it's still kind of going to have
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of the framework of the old.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: But it's like, as Mark said when he addressed the media,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: and I, by the way, have an interview with him
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: that will air in our pregame show, which starts at
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: 10 o'clock on Sunday morning all the way through to
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: kickoff at 1, where he talked about the fact that
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: they will not have another 1 o'clock September weekend home
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: opener where people feel like they're melting. And we all
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: know that feeling here as well. So the stadium of
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the future will really start to take shape. If you
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: get downtown, if you haven't been downtown, just the time
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that we've been away, there has been so much, including
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a piece that's right outside this window here. that weighed
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: 500 tons. Do you know how much 500 tons is?
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: That's a lot of weight.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: It's a million pounds, and it took them almost three
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: days to lift it into place. Listen, it doesn't take
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: us that long to say goodbye, folks. For Jeff Lagerman,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I'm Brian Sexton. Thanks for joining us on Jags HQ
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: this evening. We'll talk to you on Sunday as the
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Jaguars get set to take on the Indianapolis Colts. Good night, everybody.