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Patriots Unfiltered 9/17: Seahawks Recap, Jets Preview, Maye's Timeline · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: record now, I think, what did I say by game six?
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  Speaker 4: Then it was a handful, and then it was a
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  Speaker 3: you know, and emails shot how do we get mad?
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  Speaker 3: like kind of angry. He and Matt will go.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, shoot, I just lost my hold on Hope. Please Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 2: It is Tuesday here at Julett Stadium, and we're mourning
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  Speaker 2: the loss one in one now after one they let
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  Speaker 2: one get away. That was that was too bad. They
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  Speaker 2: let one get away against the Seahawks. But we have
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  Speaker 2: a chance for redemption early Thursday night in New Jersey
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  Speaker 2: against the Jets. Can get get back to above five hundred.
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  Speaker 2: So it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, it's
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  Speaker 2: Matt Nabooth and we'll be here for the next two
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  Speaker 2: hours talking Patriots and everything else. It was a wild
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  Speaker 2: and wacky week in the NFL. Lots of upsets right
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  Speaker 2: up to.
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  Speaker 3: Last night, and I didn't pick any of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah no, yeah, we'll get to that tomorrow because you've
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  Speaker 2: been off your game. Yeah, we'll have to do picks
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  Speaker 2: early this week because of the Patriots traveling on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: and we won't have a show on Thursday, but we
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  Speaker 2: will have the pregame show. But guys, any opening thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on the game. I know we had the postgame show,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, Evan wasn't there.
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  Speaker 3: That's why us off on Tuesdays.
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  Speaker 2: Any opening thoughts now that we've listened to Gerard a
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  Speaker 2: couple times after the game and players and what are
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  Speaker 2: we thinking?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I watched the film. That's also very important, right,
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  Speaker 7: you got to come in watch the film, see whats happened.
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  Speaker 7: I would start with the defensive side of the ball.
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  Speaker 7: As much as we all want to harp on the
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  Speaker 7: passing game and the offense, let's face it, we didn't
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  Speaker 7: really expect them to be a great passing team to
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  Speaker 7: begin with. I would also point out that league wide
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  Speaker 7: passing is down. So when you have a team way yeah,
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  Speaker 7: when you have a team like the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: Did you touchdown passes?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Way down?
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  Speaker 7: Passing yards right around one hundred and ninety a game
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  Speaker 7: right now for teams. I mean last night her cousins
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  Speaker 7: added some numbers at the end there, but I looked
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  Speaker 7: up in both quarterbacks had thrown for like one hundred
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  Speaker 7: and seventy yards in the game, like late into the
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  Speaker 7: fourth quarter. Anyways, when you have a team that doesn't
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  Speaker 7: pass the ball well like the Patriots, in a league
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  Speaker 7: that's trending downward with passing yards, it's not that much
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  Speaker 7: of a surprise to me. The bigger issue was defensively,
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  Speaker 7: they got a little too cute, I thought in some
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  Speaker 7: big spots that really cost them. And I'm still trying
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  Speaker 7: to figure out what their identity is on defense under
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  Speaker 7: this new regime, because it's not the same exact defense
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  Speaker 7: they were running with Bill, and I don't know what there.
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  Speaker 7: What's their third and got to have it coverage? You know,
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  Speaker 7: what's their bread and butter. Right now on the defensive
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  Speaker 7: side of the ball. It's a bit of a mystery.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you go, I know, Dougger said he checked
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  Speaker 7: into it, but you go zero blitz on second and
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  Speaker 7: five from the fifty and you give up a fifty
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  Speaker 7: six yard touchdown a DK metcalf on a coverage bus
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  Speaker 7: and those types of things a little too cute in
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  Speaker 7: some of those big spots. But in general, I think
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  Speaker 7: the biggest thing with the defense right now is what
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  Speaker 7: you know, when the Patriots with Bill, it would be man, right,
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  Speaker 7: they played some sort of man coverage on third and
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  Speaker 7: eight in the game or something like that, and they
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  Speaker 7: would do their thing. Now, I'm not really sure. They've
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  Speaker 7: been playing a lot of zone. They've been mixing it up,
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  Speaker 7: so we'll see.
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  Speaker 5: Some of the numbers. I like, I couldn't watch the film, Paul. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 5: the next Gen site was down for me. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: flying a bit blind here. I'm just gonna have to
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  Speaker 5: rely on what.
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  Speaker 3: I fill in the blank. I saw the game on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: I was there.
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  Speaker 4: I see, I'm not.
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  Speaker 5: I don't have your power of retention, like I watched
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  Speaker 5: it once. It goes by in a flash. But I
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  Speaker 5: will say I looked. I did dig into some of
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  Speaker 5: the numbers though, and some of the thing that was
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  Speaker 5: interesting to me was and like you said, it always
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  Speaker 5: out like zone first, second down, man third, more zone
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  Speaker 5: coverage and third down. Now it seems like that's the
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  Speaker 5: that to me was the most significant rise that And
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if this is related to more playing
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  Speaker 5: more Cover two or if that has to do with
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  Speaker 5: staying back, but just more zone, third down.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say the two biggest things that they're
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  Speaker 7: playing cover two at a much much higher rate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, let me ask you question, what did they
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  Speaker 2: do against the Bengals same thing, even more cover? So
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  Speaker 2: is it just the fact that maybe hey it worked
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  Speaker 2: week one, let's try it in week two. But oh
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, week two, there are a lot better receivers.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it's definitely possible, and these are all small
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  Speaker 7: sample size alerts. Right like there were two weeks into
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  Speaker 7: the season. I'd say it probably takes four or five
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  Speaker 7: weeks for some of these stats to really solidify themselves.
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  Speaker 7: But they've played a ton of Cover two and they've
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  Speaker 7: played a ton of zone and I just that's okay,
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  Speaker 7: like if you want to be that way, but zone
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  Speaker 7: teams and the Patriots being one of them in the
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  Speaker 7: first couple of weeks, they do a lot of disguising
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  Speaker 7: and a lot of rotations post snap. I thought, this
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  Speaker 7: week one and we come in here giving them all
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  Speaker 7: their flowers for how well it worked against Burrow. In
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  Speaker 7: week two, it felt like Gino Smith and Ryan Grubb,
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  Speaker 7: the offensive coordinator in Seattle, were a one step ahead
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  Speaker 7: of a lot of those things, like you have Keon
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  Speaker 7: White going dropping twenty yards down the field into coverage
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  Speaker 7: on Jackson Smith and Jigba that that's not a match
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  Speaker 7: up the Patriots want. So there was a little bit
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  Speaker 7: too much of that this week.
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  Speaker 3: I felt like, Okay, can I ask this in terms
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  Speaker 3: of you mentioned that Seattle, Gino Smith and Grub might
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  Speaker 3: have been a little bit ahead of them. Yeah, do
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  Speaker 3: you think that their willingness to spend so much time
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  Speaker 3: without huddling affected maybe some of the creativity that Covington
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  Speaker 3: could dial up.
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  Speaker 7: It's possible, and I hadn't really considered that very much.
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  Speaker 3: What I what I saw again, if you go to
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  Speaker 3: the game, yatch it right.
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  Speaker 7: What I saw a lot of was was motioning, like
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  Speaker 7: pre snap shifting to get coverage indicators, so they would
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  Speaker 7: like bring JSN from left to right, and then for
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  Speaker 7: whatever reason, the Patriots would tip their hand a little
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  Speaker 7: bit pre snap. And Gino's a veteran quarterback that's been
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  Speaker 7: around the block, He's seen a lot. He got them
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  Speaker 7: into some plays that really busted the coverages for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 7: But I would say the main thing to me, it
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  Speaker 7: was that all those disguises and all the different rotations
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  Speaker 7: that they were doing in Week one that we sung
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  Speaker 7: their praises for this week, it led to some breakdowns
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  Speaker 7: in the back end.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what I was And I always say, like,
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  Speaker 3: I've never coached, you know, any level of football, really,
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  Speaker 3: so let alone what they're doing. Just from afar, it
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  Speaker 3: looked like they were figuring out ways to just say
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  Speaker 3: do what Evan just said, like making them declar what
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  Speaker 3: their coverage was, and I think it wasn't necessarily like
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  Speaker 3: to keep the personnel on the field because they subbed
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  Speaker 3: a lot seattle even though they were going no, they
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  Speaker 3: weren't doing hurry up. They were doing no huddle, right,
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  Speaker 3: And I think the idea was and I didn't hear
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  Speaker 3: a lot out of their locker room, so I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if they talked about this post game, but we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna get to the line, we're gonna line up, and
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna make them tell us if they're in zone
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  Speaker 3: or man, and then once we figure it out, then
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna go. But it wasn't They didn't do a
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  Speaker 3: tremendous amount of like pedal to the metal hurry up,
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  Speaker 3: no offense. They were. At one point Evan even said,
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  Speaker 3: he goes, wow, it's like a college game, like they're
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  Speaker 3: all looking to the sideline getting the call from the line.
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  Speaker 3: But I think there was an advantage to being out
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  Speaker 3: of the huddle in a ligne, you know, aligned that way,
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  Speaker 3: if the other team's not.
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  Speaker 2: Ready, it puts pressure on the defense. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: defense by rule has a chance to answer any sub
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  Speaker 2: So if the defense subs, then the defense has to
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  Speaker 2: be given a chance to sub But like you said,
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  Speaker 2: even though it's not hurry Up, No Huddle, puts pressure
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  Speaker 2: on the defense to make those decisions. You know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I just think it allowed Gino Smith to know
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  Speaker 3: what the coverages were. And to Mike and Evans point,
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  Speaker 3: I think the Patriots have really made their living being
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  Speaker 3: able to be multiple and varying their their looks, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that Gino was able to know on most
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  Speaker 3: plays what they were in.
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  Speaker 5: I think on both sides of the ball, you saw
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  Speaker 5: examples of the opposing the opposing team turning the screws
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  Speaker 5: a little bit on new coordinators and you know, making
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  Speaker 5: it hard for DeMarcus Covington, you know, allowing them to
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  Speaker 5: get to the line, DeMarcus isn't able to kind of
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  Speaker 5: see the personnel, you know, take his time figure out
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  Speaker 5: what they want to roll. I just think that's where
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  Speaker 5: they won those moments on the coach And I just.
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  Speaker 3: Want to say real quick, I want to take the
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  Speaker 3: l on this one because I was pretty critical of
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  Speaker 3: Gino Smith and I thought he played great. I know
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  Speaker 3: I said it in the postgame show already, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: some people don't listen to both shows. I didn't think
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  Speaker 3: that you put it all on his shoulders and he'd
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  Speaker 3: be able to do what he did on Sunday. He
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  Speaker 3: didn't come close to turning the ball over, and I
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  Speaker 3: thought that he found his matchups all day. He was
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  Speaker 3: able to get the ball to his better players, which
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  Speaker 3: is not something that you can always do against the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, the only I'll take thee envision.
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  Speaker 2: The only close one wasn't his folly. His arm got
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  Speaker 2: got hit and then Peppers couldn't come up with.
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  Speaker 7: Another coverage bus that should have been a walk in
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  Speaker 7: touchdown and.
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  Speaker 4: Saw yelling in the press bo Yeah, yeah, I mean, but.
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  Speaker 2: You know, despite all that, despite the defensive breakdowns, they
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  Speaker 2: had a chance, you know, at the end, had they
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  Speaker 2: not you know, gone for the you know what was
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  Speaker 2: the third and I forget what it was. If they
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  Speaker 2: had just run the ball and taken the three, this
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  Speaker 2: might have been a whole different game and might have
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  Speaker 2: ended up a win in the wind.
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  Speaker 3: Coat they made the three, they missed if.
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  Speaker 2: They made it, they missed it because they were got
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  Speaker 2: sacked seven yards.
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  Speaker 3: Back, and they missed it because they allowed a guy
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  Speaker 3: to run untouched from.
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  Speaker 2: The butterfly effect that might have.
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  Speaker 3: I had someone within the organization say that could have
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  Speaker 3: been a ten yard field goal and it would have
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  Speaker 3: been blocked.
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  Speaker 2: And that play.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, absolutely, That's why it kind of busts me,
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  Speaker 5: like because they didn't block. I've heard it a couple
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  Speaker 5: of times saying Fred said it like they let one
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  Speaker 5: get away. I don't really feel like they let one
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  Speaker 5: get away with this.
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  Speaker 3: Look at it THEO I think they did. I agree
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  Speaker 3: with Fred. I think they let it get away. However,
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  Speaker 3: I think the team that was better that day one?
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  Speaker 3: Does that make any sense? I think the Patriots almost
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  Speaker 3: stole one. They were in position to steal the game.
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  Speaker 3: They're on the twenty five yard line, up three with
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  Speaker 3: five minutes. You've got to put that game over.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would say that they were better, But when
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  Speaker 2: you dropped the ball five six times, does that make
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  Speaker 2: you the better team?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it means you were better. You just you just
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  Speaker 3: didn't execute.
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  Speaker 2: So when you drop the ball makes you better?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? They were they. I mean, these guys just told
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  Speaker 3: you how open these guys were. You were lucky, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But if you dropped the ball, you dropped the ball.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's a lack of execution.
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  Speaker 7: Right, he would have four hundred.
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  Speaker 3: If you're better, you're more talented than the other team. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: you did what you wanted to do more than they
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  Speaker 3: did what they.
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  Speaker 2: Wanted to do. I think they wanted to catch the ball.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever see anybody so maddening as this?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Like, right, I know they wanted to make the field
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  Speaker 3: goal to Fred, but the other guy blocked it. That's
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  Speaker 3: a bad that's bad execution, exactly right. So like, what
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  Speaker 3: are we doing? Who did what they wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: more than the other team? Seattle? Seattle played the way
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  Speaker 3: they wanted to play more than the Patriots did, but
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots were in position to steal the game at
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  Speaker 3: the end, I think, and I do agree with you,
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  Speaker 3: they let it slip away. I had it.
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  Speaker 2: I think on offense, the Patriots played the way the
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  Speaker 2: only way they could play, and you know they managed to.
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  Speaker 3: So do you think it's more likely to have a
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  Speaker 3: guy break a tackle in the backfield and run fifty
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  Speaker 3: yards or DK Metcalf catch a crossing route when no
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  Speaker 3: one's on him and hits him in the one fourth?
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen, they didn't do it. It's just a matter
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  Speaker 2: of exactly doing it. Like, listen, I think I think
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  Speaker 2: Seattle's a better team on paper than the Patriots. Right,
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  Speaker 2: they were a Sunday and I think they're a better team.
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  Speaker 2: But the Patriots managed to do what they have to
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  Speaker 2: do to keep that game close. And you know, I
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  Speaker 2: give them credit that way, I take away credit for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the lack of execution and key moments that
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  Speaker 2: I think allowed the game to slip away.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. I think there's a ton of truth to that.
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  Speaker 7: I just the big picture is still the same for
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  Speaker 7: this team.
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  Speaker 2: Which is limited.
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  Speaker 7: They're limited, right, I mean one team has three receivers
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  Speaker 7: that you would take on this team in a heartpeat, sure,
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  Speaker 7: and the other team's the Patriots. So it's like every
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  Speaker 7: single game, and I feel like this is the same
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  Speaker 7: story we've gone into the season with every single year
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  Speaker 7: for the past like five years. They're at a major
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  Speaker 7: talent disadvantage on the offensive side of the ball. If
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  Speaker 7: you only throw for one hundred and fifty yards in
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  Speaker 7: the NFL. I don't care about the trends about the
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  Speaker 7: league and the passing yards and things like that, you're
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  Speaker 7: just not going to win very many games doing that.
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  Speaker 2: No, Listen, there's no doubt I mean that you can't
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  Speaker 2: argue that they go into the game at a disadvantage. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they go into and that's the way it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be in most weeks, that they're going to go into
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  Speaker 2: most weeks at a disadvantage right from the get go. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so they need to have things be kind
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  Speaker 2: of perfect and you know, execute.
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  Speaker 4: They almost did it again but just didn't have the
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  Speaker 4: clutch at the Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That's that part. I do agree with Freddie, Like I
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  Speaker 3: think I would have considered it, Wow, that's an unbelievable win.
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  Speaker 3: Like they found a way to just hang around enough
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  Speaker 3: and they stole it at the end. But unfortunately they
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  Speaker 3: didn't win the last five minutes. But I felt like,
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  Speaker 3: and fred you said this to me during the game,
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  Speaker 3: even when the Seahawks ended the first half by kicking
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  Speaker 3: a field goal. You said, if they come out and
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  Speaker 3: scored start the second half, this game is over.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I think you were right. Yeah, right, I think you
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  Speaker 3: were right. And what ended up happened. They don't execute
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  Speaker 3: a fourth down play. They drove, I mean they drove
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  Speaker 3: the length of the field, get stopped on fourth in
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  Speaker 3: less than a yard, and you're just kind of hanging
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  Speaker 3: on and hanging on. Now, the Patriots deserve credit for
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  Speaker 3: hanging on. Sure, but that's what I'm saying, Like, I
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  Speaker 3: think the team that played better won the game. But
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots have to be kicking themselves at a lost
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  Speaker 3: opportunity because I do think all they needed to to
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  Speaker 3: do was go twenty five more yards and end that game.
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  Speaker 3: See like the field goal is not that we're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to argue, Saman I think the better team won
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  Speaker 2: the game. I think I think they didn't necessarily play better. Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I just look at every number and the factory
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: number except for rushing yards.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: And the fact that the fact that they didn't play
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: that well made it close. Okay, Anyway, I guess by
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: and saying that I'm taking away credit from the Patriots,
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: I'm giving the Patriots credit for being spunky and hanging
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: in the gyp.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: And that's what I wanted to say, is, you know,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: this is how they're going to have to be for
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: most of these games.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: And I would just say they're gonna have to figure
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: out ways we've all talked about. How what did you say?
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: It's like a really hard way to live, narrow path victory.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: And that's what I wrote about in the notes this morning.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: No secret, everybody's talking about it. It's not like I'm
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: the only one who thinks this way, But like you
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: even look at it and say, like, how narrow the
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: path is. For these two games, they played really well.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: I think in both games. I think the Patriots I'm talking.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: About played really really well well as they can.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Just to show you. But they have to do that
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: really just to stay in the game. I understand because
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: one of these weeks, the reminder Stevenson fumble is not
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: going to get recovered by the Patriots here here, you know,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: that's going to turn it over getting one of these weeks,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Brissette's not going to avoid the seven sacks he probably
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: should have taken right the other day, and one or
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: two from one or two of those is going to
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: result in a strip sack.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so go figure not only.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: The narrow path, but they're basically flawless. You know, Like
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: when I say flawless, I don't mean there's like zero errors.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: You missed a field goal, you have a lot of
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: field go to get blocked. Ye, you you know, you
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: botch the clock at the end of the first half.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: And it's not flawless when your quarterback's constantly.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Just like they weren't flawless in Cincinnati. But basically that's
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: about as well as they're going to be able to
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: play right and and you still have a chance. I mean,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: you know, one and one, they probably should be one
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: in one.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but we need so we need to move to
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball, and we need to
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: really break down things because it's week two and we're
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: already hearing from Pop Douglas that he's he thinks things
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: could be better, at least for him. You know, we're
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: seeing complete breakdowns on the offensive line from one of
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: our better linemen, Mike And when you he had a
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: bad game, he had a bad game. He probably shouldn't
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: be playing tackle. Let's face it, he might be too
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: too big for that role.
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: Some of us have been saying, yeah, guard.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good but he's probably miscast right now.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: So we've got to break down this offense. And then
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: we've got to look at the injuries that are happening,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Like pretty much everybody on the offense right now is
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: dinged up. Bentley looks like he might miss most of
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the season, if not all, with a torn Peck. Is
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: that right? Is that confirmed? Chef Jeremy Fowler thinks he's
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: playing this week port cheftert Yeah, so we're not sure,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: but it looks like he's not. He's off the radar
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: as far as playing. Uh so, it's a big because
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: he was playing so well.
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: Well.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I just think that they I think that they have
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: been able to make teams one dimensional by their ability
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: to stop the run. And I think Godshaw to buy
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: and Bentley you're a big part of that. Yeah, those
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: three guys, and now you'll lose one of them.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: And I would also say that him wearing the green
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: dot is not a small thing either. Kyle Duggar, I
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: believe took over the green dot when he going out
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: of the game. And I thought there were a couple
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: of situations late in the game where they didn't exactly
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: have everything buttoned up in terms of assignments and things
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: like that big third downplay and overtime that Sharbonnade just
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: made the line to gain on there's actually nobody covering
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: him in the flat. It was a bust. Maybe if
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: Bentley's out there in that situation, they know who you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: they know where everybody's supposed to be at.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine Scott Peters is sleeping well right now
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: with the job.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: He has curious to see what thy nights.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: No, I mean Scott Peters is now the guy that
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: is delt has been dealt the hand. He's the one
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: that now has to figure this out.
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it, yes, on a on a mac micro.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not blaming him. I'm just saying he's got a
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: tough job right now.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: He does. Yeah, But to me, it's they have a
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: shortage of personnel on the offensive line.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't think that that's why it's a tough job.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know what he's saying. You pointing the finger
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: at Elliott Wollll.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ultimately you know it's personnel. It's it's it's the
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: front office. But now now here we are and now
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: it's up to the coaches to make it work.
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's gonna get much better in.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: These short weeks too. Like the injury report to me
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: is kind of meaningless, Like they're not practicing, and you
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: know they didn't practice yesterday. They're going to do some
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: kind of a walkthrough I think tonight. But the all
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: five guys are on the injury report. I don't know
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: if that means they're all questionable. Some of these guys
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: have been on the injury report a and then they're
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: not listed at all in the game status. They're off
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: the report. So I don't know if if Andrews and
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Robinson and that, if they were all really hurt, went went.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: I mean literally all five right, Yeah, Robinson, Andrews and
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: so are all on the injury report right now, you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: and those are the five guys you would have thought
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: you wanted to start the season with. If they're all legitimately,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: you know, have a chance to not play in the
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: game Thursday, I don't know what you do.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean Wallace probably gonna have to go in.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: I mean there's then that third tackle stuff is kind
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: of out the window a little bit with that this
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: week too.
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: A couple of times I think that might actually be
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: a good thing with Wallace, to be honest, like, at
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: this point, we might as well see if if what
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: he's got it can't be much worse than the tackle
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: play that they've gotten through two weeks. So maybe that
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: even if he comes back at right tackle like permanently
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: to kick on when who back inside to guard, Like
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: I would even take that at this point. So I
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: actually would maybe go to Wallace anyways on Thursday night
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: and see what he's got. If he can hold his water,
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: then maybe you start to reconfigure the line a little
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: bit with him in the line.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: So two things. Gerd Mayo's wish to push the ball
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: down the field, is that just a wish at this
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: point because or you know, and with all these injuries
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and everything else, I mean, you can forget about that.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Or is it something that maybe they can try to
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: do more? And with the current state of things, are
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: we happy that Drake may isn't playing.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm happy when I see Persett. I mean
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: I just saw it again. Brissette like got hit and
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: like grabbed his knee for a second on one of
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: those sacks.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: That he got everything.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Every time every time I see him take a hit,
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: I'm glad it's not I'm just glad it's not Drake Man.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: And so he goes in there, you know, And that's fine.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: If you want to pound the drum for him to
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: be in there, that's fine. But I just don't want
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: to hear those people being like, oh, it's a terrible game.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I don't care like the protection at all. I just
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: do only care about Drake May if he's ready to me. Like,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: like Caleb Williams, I watched the game Sunday and I liked.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I liked a lot of what I saw from Caleb Williams.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Did he play great? Nope? No, they only score with
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: thirteen points now with Dunzey dropped a touchdown on him.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: That's four big points that they lost in a very
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: close game. But I think there's a lot of I
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: say this all the time. I think there's a lot
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: of value in what Caleb Williams is going through right now,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: but it's learning how to deal with it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: In the current state of the offense. I mean, can
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Drake May do any better?
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And no, I have no idea.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: No, But I'm just but that's what we have to surmise.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, is it worth putting him in in
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the current state of the art.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying I'm not suggesting that I'm mad that
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: he's not playing. No, I don't have I don't have
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the information that and the coaches do.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying that has anything you've seen now
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Because I'm a I'm a play May guy. I want
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: him to play, and I'm the.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Week six I said by Mike Handful.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I don't have the control of I don't have
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the decision. I'm a play meg. I want him out there.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: But has anything we've seen kind of for me, for
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: guys like us and you know, not me, it's probably
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: just as well he's not out there.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Not not for me. But I understand why people feel
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that way. I think quarterbacks get hit.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: So how do we tie the Bryce Young of it
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: all into this?
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, a guy who played all last year a.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Terrible team, might he just may not be just not
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: good enough. I was wrong. Yeah, I missed everybody else.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I just think he's too small and he can't he
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: can't handle the physicality of the league. That's just my
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: And he's just.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Not like Kyler Murray's small, but he can move. He
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: moves around and at the road run and maybe just.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and he's also been hurt.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. Yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: I think the back and forth with Drake May is
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: tough because he's a much more aggressive downfield passer than Jacoby,
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: So if he goes into the game, they are not
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: going to have issues throwing the ball down the field.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: They just won't because he will throw it down the field.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: But if he what if he's undersea, he.
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: Will throw it down the field. He will find ways
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: to throw the vote. It's it's been his most since
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: high school. So I can't imagine that he's going to
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: get into the game and just all of a sudden
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: turn into Alex Smith and start thinking and dunking the
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: ball down the field everywhere.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: You know, you look at that game on Sunday with
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Brissett in so many times he drops back that backfoot
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: plants and there's guys coming at him from both sides.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Nowhere to go under a lot of pressure. I mean,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: then we've all seen the numbers out there. The pressure
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: rates are they're among the worst in the league.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: They're second worst. And pressure rate they're dead last. And
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: pass block win rate like they're the worst pass PARTECI.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: So are we putting our new quarterback in a position
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: to succeed if you throw him out there under these conditions,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: That's the question they have to ask.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I think, right well, I just think it all is
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: up to Drake May When when they feel like mentally
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: he's ready to play, then he's got to go out
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: and play football because that's going to happen sometimes.
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that there's the downside.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: But if it happens all the time, but it's gonna happen,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: I mean I I yeah, Okay.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: To Jacoby's credit, he hasn't turned.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: The ball over.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: Quiet, No I am, I will. I just I feel
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: like I'm exactly where I've been the whole time. I
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: feel like a few games in and now I've seen
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: what I want to see. And you know, I after
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: six games, that's where I feel like I'm going to be.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: I I like getting the experience. I like seeing that
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: there's a semblance of a running game there. So that's
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: something that you know, makes you feel better about it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: But Paul's I think one hundred percent right. At some point,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: you got to play football. If he goes this whole
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: year without playing, it's a last year.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: And if they feel like, you know, he doesn't know
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: what he's doing. We're doing this stuff and I'm not
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: suggesting just throw him out there. What's the worst that
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: can happen. There's a lot of bad stuff that can happen,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: you know, like mentally, he can get shot and that
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: those kinds of things once you start taking the hits
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: and stuff. But if they feel like he's out there
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and he he's on it, and he's understanding the concepts
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: of what they're doing and recognizing where the pressure is
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: coming from, I think there's some there's some benefit to that.
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: There's just a combination right now to me of they're
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: so limited with their outside receivers and the talent that
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: they have at that position. I am fully ignoring through
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: what's on screen right now, there's such a limitation that
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: they have from an outside receiver standpoint that their only
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: way to push the ball down the field is to
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: scheme it up and to find ways of play action
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: and creativity and things like that to get guys open
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: down the field. But the problem is is that does
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: take time.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: So if you let's just say, you know, they're not
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: gonna put May in for the Jets, but let's just
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: say one of these games coming up, they decide, Okay,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: it's May week, we're gonna we're gonna get Drake May
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: ready for this next game. He's taken all the snaps.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: How different of an offense are they practicing or is
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: it the same?
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I would assume it's the same question.
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: I would assume it's the same. Now, is it more gun?
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: Is it more unc I don't.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Know how is it possible. Is it gonna be different?
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: I don't think so.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: And is that difference gonna make a difference?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Do you think it should be different?
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: I think it should be different. I mean I think
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: I gotta tailor it to home. You gotta tailor it
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: a little bit.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I mean it does. You're not gonna go, oh, here's
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: the new playbook.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: But I didn't draft a third overall pick to turn
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: around and hand the ball to Ormandra Stevenson twenty five
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: times a game. Yeah, I can get Tracobe Prissett to
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: do that for the rest of the season. If I
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: want to run for one hundred and seventy five yards
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: every week, I can do that. I don't. I don't
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: need a third overall pick to do that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: And by the same token, you're not installing a playbook
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: this summer that well, this is our Jacoby Pressett, Like
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: you know, May is gonna come in at some point.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: At some point, this is going to be the offense.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: So I would hope when they're cooking things up in
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: the summer, they're saying these are placed for Drake May,
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: and we'll let Jacoby Pressett, you know, like I hope
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: it's already in place for home so too.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: He's the future, right, Can.
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: I just worry about them being such a gun heavy team.
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: The gun gun teams that are good gun teams have
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: a ton of talent on the outside at receiver, like
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: you're talking about teams like the Bengals and the Eagles
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: and like these teams that have these superstar receivers. If
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: you gun all the time, like there's no play action gun,
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: there's no there's no window dressing for the defense. It's
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: we're gonna line up and we're gonna just play. Now.
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: If you have a great quarterback like you can do that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: But it just it puts a lot of the game
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: on May's shoulders.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: What if what if you do like pistol and it's
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: more rpo based.
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: I love a pistol personally, I haven't seen them do that,
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: Like their offense from the pistol would be under center,
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: Like they would just say, well at that point, like
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: let's just put the quarterback under center. So I don't know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: it just that's what I worry about. In terms of
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: uh made being different, like the offense being structured differently.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: Is that I don't know if they have the receivers
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: to run a gun offense and or the line to
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: be honest with you either.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: So ka, I want to ask you three a question
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: because there's something that came out of the game. Would
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Brisset I think mentioned that he felt like they had
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: tells when they were gonna get ready to take shots.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: What'd you guys make of that? I asked the question,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: So it was I didn't even know that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because you know, watching from up top, it just
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: felt like they played a lot of too deep safety
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: shells whenever the Patriots tried to dial up play action
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: down the field, and he agreed. He said that it
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: felt like they had a beat on whether it was
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: sequencing personnel like I don't I don't know. I didn't
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: like see anything obvious on on the tape with it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: It's probably a vampelt question, honestly, but it felt like
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: watching live and watching it back, that they did try
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: to dial up some shots, especially off play action, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: the couple of times that they did it was too
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: high and if you're not going to throw it to
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: the deep part of the field and those structures it's
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: just not going to be there.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Wow, early, I.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Mean, like, these are the little pieces that are concerning,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: because that's you know, personally, I didn't have a huge
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: problem with Alex Vampell, you know, and that's maybe a
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: personal issue where I kind of look at everyone saying,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: this is a guy who's been around forever, Like I
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: kind of like that. I kind of feel for a
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: guy who's been in a position for a while and
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: maybe has never gotten a shot, and so initially out
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: of the gate, I felt like, maybe this is a
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: guy who's been waiting for his opportunity to come along,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: and he's gonna make the most of it. And he's been,
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: you know, obviously in a number of systems, and he
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: has a lot of knowledge to pull from.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: This was a little bit jarring to me, just.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Because the implication is that you're not mixing it up enough.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: You don't have enough clubs in the bag to keep
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: defensive coordinators on their heels. And certainly Mike McDonald is
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: as good as it gets in the NFL right now.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: But it did it did they made I mean, what
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: what's the stat three passes to wide receivers. I mean,
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: they just they had no passing games.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: In two games. They have four wide receivers I believe
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: that have caught passes. They have eleven catches for eighty
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: five yards in two full games. That's the entirety of
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: your wide receiver.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Behalf me.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: We're taking the game fifty years. I mean more.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: It's just so tough when you can't block anybody, Like
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: I would say, this is different than what we've seen
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: over the lot the last few years. Has been a trainer.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: That's what I've been wondering because I'm like I do,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: I've forgotten what good offense looks like.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: The production might not be in the passing game especially,
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: might not be like worlds different. But I just feel
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: like in the last couple of years, a the turnover
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: differential is massive. I mean, Dishoby Brissett hasn't turned the
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: ball over by some miracle, hasn't turned the ball over
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: yet crazy, And that's been big that they haven't had
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: those catastrophic plays, like we haven't had throw across the
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: field pick sixes like in Dallas last year by Mac Jones,
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: Like that stuff isn't happening, and they're running the ball well,
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: so they have some semblance of like a foundation. Offensively,
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: they they're just very one dimensional. Some of the plays
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: that they drew up tod to go deep. It just
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: the blocking is just not there.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: The funny too, because I agree, like the turnovers have
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: been the biggest difference. They haven't turned it over and
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: last year I think they turned it over three times
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: in the first two games. Or you know, I had
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: three interceptions anyway, thirty six points through two games. You
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: know how many they had last year through.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Two thirty seven, thirty five, thirty five.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: It's the same. It just looks different. Yeah, you know.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Part of it, you know, to me is I can
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: look and I can watch the games. I think Jacoby
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Brissett's played better than Mac Jones because of the turnovers.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, you're right, but but production wise he's not.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: It did look it does look the same as last year.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: The question is will it look the same further into
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the season, because if Patriots offense collapsed, I mean it,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: it just got worse. It devolved as the season.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: It was thirty seven, I skipped the game, no, thirty yeah, whatever.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: It devolved, It got worse as the season went on
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: because because Mac Jones lost it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're averaging eighteen points a game right now.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I think they averaged fifteen last year, So it's a
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: field goal better if you want to go for the
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: entirety of this. But right, but like the first week,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: the second quarter of the first game of the season
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: was the best of the offense looked the entire day. Yeah,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: if you ask me, Yeah, those two touchdown drives that
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: they had against the Eagles that got them from a
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: sixteen to nothing deficit right back in the game at
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: sixteen fourteen. Never got any better than that the rest
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: of the year.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: I just think you got to get healthy on the
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: line and just let the same five go out there consistently.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, as much as it's been terrible, it's been
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: a bunch of different guys having to go in and rotate.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: And now we're sitting on the precipice of another you know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: huge question week of who's going to be able to
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: go Like at the very least, I don't know like
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: if we're gonna have ever have the personnel this season.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: But the only hope you got is that you know,
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Caden Wallace emerges the right tackle maybe and when you
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: slides back inside, and they're able to be a huge.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Test because the Jets are gonna bring it.
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: Probably one of the biggest mismatches in the NFL this
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: week is the Jets defensive front against the Patriots offensive line.
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: It might be the number one.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: They do catch a break with, you know, the Jets.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: You know, the Jets can't get after the a a
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: little bit, but their two best guys doing it are
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: not going to be playing obviously. Jermaine Johnson's out for
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: the year with a torn achilles and Reddick is not
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: you know, just suddenly what's hold.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Through.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: They still have Quinn Williams, who is one of the
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: best at what he does, and I think they also
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: could be without C. J. Mosley.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: You know, just saw something sounds like he's okay.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Sala says that he, you know, he's got a shot,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: But like the rich Semines of the world, I think
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: that he's not gonna play Thursday novels. Maybe he'll try
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: to get it out all right, well, as he missed
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: most of the Titans game as expected.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: A lot of you have something to say, whether it's
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: via email, at web radio at patries dot com or
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: on the tp X hotline. Eight five five Pats five hundred.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Let's get to the tp X hotline. We'll start with
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Patty and Agawam. What's up, Patty, Hey, hey, hey, just
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: good up about.
• 35:00
  Speaker 10: The loss, like a lot of what you guys were
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: talking about this morning. When I woke up and I
• 35:06
  Speaker 10: went online and I saw that Juan Bentley was possibly
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: done for the year, that got me really upset because
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: I don't know how you guys feel about him, but
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: he's kind of been that steadying presence on our defense
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: for the last few years. I know, his first couple
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: of years he was a little bit hurt, but then
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: he's sort of like got himself together. And I'm not
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: saying this to be mean, but he's kind of like
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: a forgettable and that like you kind of forget that
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: he's here because he's he's so steady, he's always in
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: the right place, he always does the right thing, and
• 35:36
  Speaker 10: he's he's kind of expanded his game in coverage. You know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: they've blitzed him a little bit. And not to mention
• 35:44
  Speaker 10: this leadership, I think it's going to be a big,
• 35:46
  Speaker 10: big loss. Hopefully not that big of a loss, but
• 35:49
  Speaker 10: I just wanted to see what you guys thought about
• 35:50
  Speaker 10: that and I'll take it off there.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Patty. Yeah, no, I agree. He's playing great.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: He's the captain out there. He had the green dot.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I think he's got and better every year that he's
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: been a pro. So this this is, this hurts.
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: He's just a huge attitude part of the defense too,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: which you know, is a leader. He's been around for
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: a while, I mean last couple of years. He's playing
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: a lot more on third down. They're using them, you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: in select situations to blitz. There's no one like him
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: on the roster. And you can say ray Kwan McMillan,
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: if you got to lean on him, we'll see if
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: he's able to stay healthy. But he doesn't have that aggressive, downhill,
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: hard hitting kind of edge. He's more, you know, more
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: a little bit. I'd say Tavaya is closer to that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: But just in terms of the green dot, like I
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: don't trust Kyle Duggar, I don't trust him, like he
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: has not earned my trust, especially in coverage and especially
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: not getting everybody on the same page, which you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I wonder without mccordy, how is that going to go getting?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: You know, we know how.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Important communication is for this defense, and we've seen some
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: coverages getting blown, some guys not being on the same page,
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: losing one of your best communicators in the middle.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Of the defense. It's it's no boy, it's yeah good.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: He's a huge part of how they structure it too,
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: because he's basically like another defensive line in the run game,
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: the way that he can plug gaps so they can
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: get away with maybe being a man short in the
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: box sometimes because they have him over the bubbles and
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: he's the one that that is able to fill those gaps.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: So he's a really big part of just how they
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: kind of structure the entire defense from from top to bottom.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: So it's a it's a huge loss. That might not
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: be a household name around the league necessarily, but when
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: you watch the ball knowers, they know the way the.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: The only real true mic on the roster, like the
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: other guys are all not quite the same.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's a significant loss.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: I think he's a guy that does a lot of
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: different things for them, and you know, I think ray
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Kwan McMillan probably can be, you know, a presence in
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: the run game. You know, he's a physical guy. But
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to give you everything that
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Bently did from a mental standpoint, from a leadership standpoint.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel is in Sacramento. What's up, Daniel.
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: And gentlemen?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: So I wanted to ask because I know you guys
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: are talking about when the joint practice with the Eagles
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: and how much their defensive front just destroyed our really
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: bad offensive line. Which I think the offensive line has
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: been steady, but obviously pretty bad, not up to you know, standard.
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: So now that we're facing the Jets front, would you
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: say that's it's gonna be pretty hectic like that, like
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: how you guys are saying how it would just dominates
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: just at the front of the line where Wheremandre wasn't
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: able to run, quarterbacks had no time. Remember you guys
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: are saying the quarterbacks got sacked a bunch of.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Times, but they might be able to run. They've been
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: able to run in the two games. But I would
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: expect more of the same that you've seen. Well, think
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: about pressure on the quarter I.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Think about it. If you're a defensive coordinator, what are
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: you afraid of in the passing game? So you're gonna
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: you're going to load the box, and you're going to
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: put pressure on Jacoby every you know, every time he
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: drops back. You're gonna test that until Jacoby burns them,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and you're not gonna care. Go ahead, pass the ball.
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: You know, yeah, he's faced. Uh, Jacoby has faced the
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: second most stacked boxes in the league through two weeks.
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: So it's no secret to these defenses that they can't
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: throw the ball on the outside. It's really it's the
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: run game. And maybe it's Hunter Henry, you know, and
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: that's you talk about guys who worries you. They're circling
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: their run game and they're circling Henry. So what's gonna
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: happen when they start taking away Hunter Henry in the
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: passing game? Then then what you know? He's he's really
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: been the only guy that Jacoby trusts. From any story.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: You have to you have to earn you have to
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: earn their fear. You have to like make them worry
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: about something they you know, right now based on the tape,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: they really don't have to worry about the Patriots passing game.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Well, this is where the season starts.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Like you know, anybody can come the first couple of
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: weeks and you know, you get lucky maybe, or a
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: game just unfold specifically and maybe you win. But now
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: you're putting stuff on tape. Teams are starting to realize
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: what you actually can do. They can put the Patriots
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: offensive line right under the microscope. They know what Stevenson
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: is capable of. And now it's about how do we adjust,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: how do we find success from this, because you're not
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: going to continue to win with this formula because teams
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: are just more and we're going to try to clamp up.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: But what I hope they don't do is revert back
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: to what they've done in past years with those behind
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage passing, that passing game. I hate that.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I hate that.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: I would get ready for some of that with Tomrio
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Douglas on Thursday. I'm primed and ready for an overc
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: over compensation, and an over correction. We're going to get
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the ball in his hands early. I don't mind doing that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: On a quick slant, but none of that flat pass
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: behind the line where they've got everybody in the box anyway,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: so it's so easy to defend. I Oh wow.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Freddy not a big fan of the screen game. Oh,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: let's you speed, you know, let's find something.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: To Mario Douglas. You don't think he's fast.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I think he's quick, shifty.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: He's really can get open fast. Let's put it that way.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm looking to take your word for it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I just want to see him get open fast.
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: I have some theories on Pop Douglas. I have some
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: theories maybe.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: Getting guarded by what was that Jacoby can't throw the
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: little guys in camp he was like, I got to
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: get used to throwing this small guy.
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: I mean Jacoby said that. I don't think Jacoby likes
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: throwing them the ball.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: It's interesting because it just does have a good You
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: guys learn me stuff sometimes, learned me stuff. I never
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: thought of it. You never thought like he doesn't like
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: throwing a small guy.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: What do you what do you guys make also too
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: of like in training camp, them saying we want to
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: be a big screen team, and what do they run?
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Like three four screens through two games like it hasn't even.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Been They've gotten playing with the exception of the one Henry,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: they've all gotten blown up. Yeah, and there forgetting the
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: ones that pass, I think people are forgetting the ones
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: that Jacoby throws at Stevenson's feet on purpose to avoid
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: a loss. Like I heard a lot of people, what
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: happened to the screens?
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: What happens?
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Did you watch the game? Did you see what happens
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: when they tried to do it?
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Just can't.
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: You're also just a team that all the issues that
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: we've talked about. Every defense in the world knows they're
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: going to try to throw screens like it's, you know,
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: to Freend's point about you know, the quick game or whatever,
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: like Okay, that's that's the big fixes. You guys are
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: gonna throw screens in quick game like shocker, like you know.
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: So I just feel like the screens are predictable for
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: this team right now because they don't have a downfield
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: passing game. So what else are they gonna do?
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: And the other the other part that I think is
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: making it difficult is I think I saw a stat
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: that's been blitzed the least amount of times in football, Yeah,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: which you know for once, I got one, right, Yeah.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know why you would blitz them. I don't
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: know why you would blitz the Patriots. You don't crush
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: it with four you don't have to. And I think
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: that makes it tougher for you know, an average group
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: of receivers to deal with with coverage. Now you have
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: extra bodies. My that's my to Mario Douglas theory is
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I think ke he's seeing a higher quality quality of
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: cornerback than he did last year because I think he's
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: the guy now. I can't tell you that he's gotten
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: covered by Riek Woolen and Devon Weatherspoon on every play.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I didn't charge every play, every personnel group, but my
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: feeling is the opposing defense is going to look at
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: that receiver group and say, Douglas might be able to
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: burn us for a thirty yard chunk here or there
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: if we don't watch it. Thornton might be able to
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: get behind us. If we don't watch it. We're gonna
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: make sure that doesn't happen.
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: Just the part that kind of just grinded my gears
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: about the whole thing. So they run that reverse, they
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: give it would to probably the slowest receiver on the
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: team in Jalen Polk, And it's like Taekwon and Pop
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: Douglas are just sitting on the bench and we all
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: saw it live from the press box. I felt like
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: it had a chance if it had hit faster. The
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: Polk's credit actually hit like over nineteen miles an hour.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: He was kind of.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Moving, maybe the worst thing that's ever happened, But he wasn't.
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: He doesn't have that that second gear right, so he
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: when he's turning the corner, it just it took a
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: long time. It took a long time for him to
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: get there. If that's you know in uh week one,
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: you know Xavier worthy is is turning the corner and
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: it's a touchdown. You know, like those are the differences,
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: Like why the usage of the personnel there just was
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: a little head scratching, like why isn't that Thornton?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Uh oh, you were surprised they used him. They were
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: hoping the other team would be too.
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess, uh not do.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Is in Cambridge? What's up?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Not?
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: Do not do.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Know from Cambridge?
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: No, not going to do that?
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Call all right, don't no, Okay, he'll call back. He wasn't.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: You must have.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: We got a lot of a lot of emails. You
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: wouldn't believe the amount of emails that we're getting.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe you should read.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like a ticker at the stock exchange.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: It's just it's how do we fix this passing game.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question, and it's not an easy fix,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: just because the personnel issues are a parent.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Thatt is in Santa Cruz writing in at web
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: radio at Patriots dot com. He says, what a treat
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: this season has been. I thought we were going to
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: be completely pathetic and win maybe five games. We still might,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I know, however, we are competitive. You guys can come
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: on the radio and talk about what we could have
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: done to win the game and where we need to improve.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: It's just like a normal middle team. I love it.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I thought we were going to talk about how awful
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: we are and keep thinking about three or four years
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: down the future all year. But guess what, We're a
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: meddling team. I think he means middle a team just
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: like everybody else, and we're competitive, so he's happy about that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Just like the year before. There's a big difference that's
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: changing everybody's mindset. No, but because Belichick left and there
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: was no hope going into the season when Belichi was here,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: people like Connor or from Sports Illustrated predicted that they
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: would win the division last year because of Belichick. He's
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: not here, and people said that's it. We have no
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: hope going into the season. Otherwise, you're playing competitive games
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: just like you did the last two years, with very
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: little offense to get into a fight with. And it's
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: really not all that different. They're competitive as hell. They
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: are competitive. Not so far they are.
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: I mean I understand, like we it's an eye test
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: thing like they they're not scoring, you know, zero points
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: at home against the Chargers, six points in Germany and.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: To lose the game again. We'll see. There's a long
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: season there. Games scoring what they scored last year through
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: two games, we'll see if that continues.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got I got it. I got A different
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: question is if if May doesn't come in and they
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: continue with Brissett, are they so predictable on paper that
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: do they do revert to what they did last year
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: where they're scoring six points a game or seven points
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: a game or can the offense get better.
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure about about the actual points per game
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: bottom line, But they're not going to turn the ball
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: over as much with this group.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Because they don't throw the ball.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I just don't think many times you can throw interceptions.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's listen.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: If not turning the ball over means that they're averaging
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty two points a game. Oh that's that's
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: better than last.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Twenty two they average twenty two points a game. I'm
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: in Yeah, there's a big difference there, big difference.
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: There's just a huge difference to me about they had
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: nothing last year offensively like their run game. Right now
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: they have a legit running game, do they they really
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: do it? Maybe teams will adjust to it and they'll
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: put eight guys in the box and and they'll have
• 48:00
  Speaker 7: issues both teams.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't I say, you're.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Right Evan right now, but I guarantee if that's all
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: they have in week twelve, we're not scoring points.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: But if you can get to twenty two, now that's
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: a whole touchdown different.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: But the only way, the only way you get to
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: twenty two is if you would start to be more balanced.
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: You have to you know, it's the play action. If
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: they they have to find a way to block play
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: action to get it off the running game. Because you
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: go into these games and you run for one hundred
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: and eighty yards and you can't hit a single play
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: action play down the field. It just does. It doesn't
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: compute to me that those two things can exist at
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: the same time. So whether it's protection or whatever design,
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: play design, whatever the case may be, if they can
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: find a way. They're not going to be a good
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: drop back pass team. They're just not. They're not going
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: to block people. They don't have the talent at quarterback, like,
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: they're not going to drop back pass at a high level.
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: But if they can scheme up play action off this
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: running game, then maybe they can get to twenty points
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: a game. You know, I think that is possible. I mean,
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: Joe Flacco did it off his couch for the Browns
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: last year and took them to the playoffs with the
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: same scheme. So like, it's not like it needs to
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: be you know, Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers out there
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: for them to throw the ball in this offense. They
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: just for some reason, they can't get the play action going.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Tom and Edinburgh remember that, I do. Yeah, disappointing loss
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: considering the team made me believe that it was possible
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: to win. Before Paul says it's fantasy land, which it is,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Please entertain my thoughts. The Chargers used their first round
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: pick on Joe Alt, who, by all accounts, is going
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: to be an outstanding left tackle, yet they play him
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: at right because of Slater. Is this feasible for long
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: or will they have to move them around to keep
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: people happy? Does this make an opening for a trade offer? Wild?
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I know, but it seems crazy that the Chargers drafted
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: all with Slater as Slater isn't old.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: I think the Chargers love having both of us.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: I saw something that had them the two highest rated
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: tackles of the week.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they had.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: They did really well in Clowney. I think he went
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: against last week.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: I had a couple of times, and I would just
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: say I haven't seen any I haven't seen one second
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: of the two Chargers games. But I know how Jim
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Harball wants to play, and I would imagine he likes
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: the fact that he has two dominant tackles to to
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: be physical behind. DJ Dobbins is a DK JK JK
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: JK Dobbins just in DK Metcalf I get my nowadays.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: I mean he looks like a whole different guy.
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I think left and right don't matter as much
• 50:30
  Speaker 7: as to teams as maybe they did once upon a time,
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: because you face the same You're facing the same level
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: of pass rusher, no matter which side of the line
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: you're lined up again. So Joe all can stay at
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: right tackle.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: For as long as he can do it. Yeah, I
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: think there's there's some some guys that have a hard
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: time switching, but.
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: Doesn't see look like Jo He'll get paid twenty twenty
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: five million dollars a year to play right tackle too.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: If he's a dominant tackle, he'll he'll get his money.
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: Pen right exactly.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Peel plays right tackle exactly.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Scott and Virginia has a question for Evan only me.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: He said, I noticed a lot of people saying Pop
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: is not getting the ball because he's continually the third
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: or fourth read, Jacoby doesn't have time to throw the
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: ball to him. Does this scheme force a progression on
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: the quarterback or is Jacoby to blame for not finding
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: the mismatch pre snap?
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean there's progressions in every offense. But I
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: agree that I don't see Pop in the initial read
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: a ton. He was on the third down sack in
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: the game on Sunday, the big one that we we
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: talked about earlier, but the biggest thing. We kind of
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: hinted at it jokingly, but I think it's genuine. I
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: don't necessarily believe that Jacoby loves throwing him the ball
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: because of how short he is, and because of it,
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: he doesn't have a great catch radius, and that if
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: you're not pinpoint accurate as a quarterback and you don't
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: think the guy is gonna save you, if the ball's
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: a little high or whatever the case may be, it
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: might be a little tough to throw him the football
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: certain situations. The other thing I would point to that
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: isn't quite as tinfoil Hattie is just he's not a
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: base receiver in this offense. This is a run first offense.
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: He doesn't play in a twelve lock. He doesn't play
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: in twelve personnel. Really, the only thing that he can
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: do on first down is go in motion, which like,
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: how often are you really going to have him do
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: that throughout the course of a game. He can't play
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: the slot on early downs because he can't block. So
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: it just from a stylistic standpoint, he's just not a
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: very good fit for what they're currently doing right now.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Do you have the numbers you guys gonna know you
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: eleven personnel? It seems like they are in that a lot.
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so he plays in eleven They were in
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: twelve twenty times in the game on Sunday.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: He was on the.
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: Field for two of those snaps. So the other thirty
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: six snaps that he played, we're all in eleven personnel,
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: So he is the third receiver that comes on the
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: field when they go to a Evan, But Osbourne and
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: Polk are their base receivers because those guys are bigger
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: and they can stick their hat into the run fit
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: and block people. So that that's a big difference for
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: I know, it drives people nuts that we talked me
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: nuts about run blocking and things like that. I get that,
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: but it's just as clear as day that he doesn't.
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: They don't play him in heavy personnelity with fans on
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: first down.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems to me like he's your best receiver.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: He should be out there.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I just don't find I don't remember. I don't know
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Wes Welker doing a lot of blocking. Maybe he did.
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: Didn't run the ball a lot?
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a different offense. They certainly didn't run
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: for one hundred and eighty eighty yards.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: You know, put pop in the slot, get open and
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: throw them the ball. I mean, that doesn't seem complicated.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: About on third down or two minutes or whatever, then yeah, absolutely,
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: and they need to do that more. But this base offense,
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: it's just.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: What about a drive starter?
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: How are you going to run duo with a one
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: hundred and eighty on receiver trying to dig out the nickel?
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: Like good luck? Like that's just not going to work.
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: I need something moved.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: I haven't. I ton't know anybody. Twenty two cowboys moved
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: on that one.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah the ball knowers the balls.
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: I don't mean to do that, but like the is
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: it was good?
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: The point is is that it just it just doesn't compute.
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: It just doesn't compute. Or like if they're going to
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: run outside zone, so they they did run outside zone
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: a couple of times where they brought him in motion
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: in the other direction to kind of move the defense over.
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: But that's literally all he can do and that situation
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: is just going motion Otherwise, like you're gonna put him
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: at the point of attack on outside zone.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: So Freddy, I'm gonna not argue with you.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: He'll block a lot.
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: No, they motion him, Okay, that's motion our guy.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Where they did go with you here? I know I
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: always I hear you say he's Tyreek killed, so one
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: of one of the people, one of you, I think
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: the most important. Some people call them the dollar store
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill. I don't know. Maybe you know out of
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: business dollar store. But if you look back at the
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: key one of the key junctions that we talked about
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: the end of the first half, I think it was
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: the second. First of all, everything about that sequence was
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: horribly managed by the coaching staff. Like you come out,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: you run the ball, you decide we're gonna let time
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: tick off the clock because Jamichael Hasty's run didn't get anything,
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: and then you throw the ball twice and like, I
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: don't think they could make up their mind what they
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: wanted to do. Okay, so there was a philosophical problem there,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: But I think the second down play was like, after
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: all of that, you run four verticals and you run
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: your own eight yard line. That's not really the time.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Like in the last minute, when you're trying to get
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: off the field and just keep the clock running, that
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: didn't seem like a very opportunity time to take a shot.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: Like to Fred's point, why not instead have something quick
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: to Tomorio Douglas where he's crossing the field. Maybe he
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: catches it. Maybe he's breaking a tackle. Maybe he gets
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: a step on a guy chasing him and he turns
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: it out field, and all of a sudden, you get
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: a free fifteen yards. Maybe he scats out of bounds,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: and now hey, game on without a two minute drill.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: They haven't even been able to get into a two
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: minute drill. Now this gets back to practice. Do we
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: see a single good two minute drill in practice? Very
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: rarely like the one that the most successful one took
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: about a half an hour. You remember that day when
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Brissette was saying, like they really, you really don't want
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: to be using thirteen plays on these drives.
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: You know, Yeah, they had one where he hit Thornton
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: on a go route against Gonzales. That was like the
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: big play of the drive. That was like the one
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: time where.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Was that against the Eagles that ended up stalling once
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: they got down there.
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: No, this was like a Patriots practice, But that was
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: the one time I remember, like a clean They really
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: round him as one minute drills now.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: But I'm watching like last night, the end of the
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: game in Atlanta did not look great offensively. For vast
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: big chunks of that game, all of a sudden they
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: get in a two minute drill and Kirk Cousins looked
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: like Tom Brady. I mean it was surgical, how easy
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: he went down the field. And he's throwing to guys
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: like Darnell Mooney.
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: It's not like I like Darnel, good player.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know, can can Douglas not be anything like that?
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: I think that that's a really good comp for what
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: pop Douglas.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know I'm not crazy. I'm not
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: calling him Tyreek Hill like human points out wisely that
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: others in the local. And I also think that, oh,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: here we go. I think that's a little I was
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: saying this to Mike as we were walking. I think
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: that's part of the do Mario Douglas quandary right now?
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Overrated.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: The local media had just anointed him as the next
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Edelman Welfare whoever, based off of, you know, a really
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: promising rookie year like what there was talk of him
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: smashing through the hundred reception mark. Can we let him
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: do it before? Like you know, and we're just gonna
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: base it on a bunch of five yard passes that
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: he caught in training camp practice. When he gets when
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: he got back off of whatever the hand problem that
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: he had was like, and this is not a show.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: I think to Mario, Douglas is the best receiver they have.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not telling you that I think he can't play.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: So don't turn this into Paul's beating up on the
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Patriots again, That's not what I'm doing. I think the
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: media perception of has raised the expectations, and now like
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: he goes a couple of games where he's a non
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: factor and people like, well, the first thing they have
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: to do is he needs to be out there and
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: he needs to be a base a base receiver. Well,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Evan's given you a lot of football reasons why that
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: might not make sense, like his size and his lack
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: of physicality. If you're gonna have him out there sticking
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: his nose and trying to how do you call it
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: dig out the second, I'm not sure that's the best
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: way to have him operate. I'm not sure throwing the
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: ball to him, you know, a really high percentage of
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: the time is a great way to have him operate,
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: based on his concussion history.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: This is just another example, though, of things not quite
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: fitting the offense right now, whether it's the offensive line,
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: the style of guys that they have the style of
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: receivers that they have what they're trying to do, Like,
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: the only thing that really fits right now and feels
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: like is Remandre and Gibson, and those two pieces fit
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: their running game pretty well. But I mean, I'm sure
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: there'd be some pushback on Remandre too as to how
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: well he really fits this scheme. I don't know that
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: that to me. That's the big takeaway from two weeks
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: is we're talking a lot about these guys.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Don't fit with It'll be better when Kendrick Bourne gets back.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: It will be, I mean, it will be, but I'm
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: not he should help. I mean, he's not going to
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: make them a good passing offense, but he'll make them better.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: He's better than what they have. He's better than Osborne, Yes,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: that's for sure.
• 59:42
  Speaker 12: So so yeah, a couple more weeks which were re eligible,
• 59:47
  Speaker 12: we're waiting for another fight there, weren't you.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, a better receiver. Agree with Evan
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: and I agree with Fred.
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: Week five Miami, Yeah he was around Halloween, he and yeah,
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: but they they did box him outside zone pretty well
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 7: in the game on Sunday. That was probably there.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: Because hit seventeen foul balls.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: That was probably the best outside zone game they've had.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: They did. We were talking about it. Evan was learning
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: to me that the outside zone step because I always
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: asked him before I make it the declarative sentence.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 7: Now one of them, Antonio Gibson, broke about six tackles
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: and went for forty five yards. I want the numbers
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: are a little bit inflated in the charting, but just
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: in general, I thought that they blocked it pretty well on.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 12: Multiple runs outside the right sideline, I was nineteen yards.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: That was very well.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: Ladon Robinson great, he.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Had the edge. I mean like, like you say, he's
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: gonna like you see, he's gonna put his foot down
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: and he's going to get up the sideline unimpeded. The
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: other one to me is like that was all Gibson,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: all of his zone. I think it was that that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: missed the tackle.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I love Vermandre, but this offense needs explosiveness,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: and Gibson is an explosive guy, even if it's in
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: some you know, we talked about screens. We taught like
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: any sort of way to get him the ball into
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 7: some space that I would argue with.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: I don't think they've thrown anything to Gibson.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: And he had one third down conversion or beat the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: linebacker to the flat. But just in general, they need
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 7: to find ways to get him the ball in space
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: because they just don't have a ton of guys that
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: run away from people and he does.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Matt and Virginia Beach. I'm definitely disappointed by the loss
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: because I feel like it's a game we had a
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: real chance to win. I think that the potential lethality
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: of the Patriots offense relies totally on the development of
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Drake May. Now I'm not banging the table for me
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: to start against New York actually it's New Jersey. But
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: ja Kobe Brissette will never be able to take this
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: team to the next level. He is what he is,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: game manager and not a game breaker. With all that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: being said, I don't feel any sense of hopelessness like
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: I felt under the Mac Jones, Bailey Zappi led teams.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: I agree because Drake May is the best club in
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: the bag still.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: I truly that's a good way to put it. I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: truly feel like we have a chance to win every
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: game we play this season, and I haven't felt that
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: way for a long time. I consider that to be
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: a very positive step forward. Under the Droid Mayo regime,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: every game will be likely a salty rock fight, but
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: it appears that we have the fighting spirit within the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: locker room.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: I hope.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm just not ready to make declare the statements
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: about this whole team and about what they are and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: how every game's gonna go.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: This has been two games and they've.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: Played pretty well. I thought they've looked pretty well coached.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: They weren't as clutch in the second game. There's positive
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: things to build off of.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: But I would just say I can't tell everybody how
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: they felt going into games last year and how they
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: feel going into games this year. They had a chance
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: to win every game last they got blown out twice. Like,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: I just think it's unfair with people are like putting
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: on the difference in coaching. Yeah, like if Belichick did
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: what Mayo did at the end of the first half,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: they would have eviscerated them eviscerated. That was coaching malpractice.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: That was like willingly giving the other team a chance
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: ants to put points on the board. It happens, it
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: was a mistake. But I just think that people look
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: at well, well, you know, everything's you know, we got
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: a chance to win because everybody is so stunned. Well,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: the expectations right, because of the expectations when Bill left right,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: the expectations was so low. That's why I said, I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: can't tell you how to feel. I didn't think that
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: they had no chance to win these two games. I
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: thought there'd be one and one. I got them wrong.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: I thought they would lose to Cincinnati and beat Seattle.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: I thought they had a chance to win both games.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: I really did. Now I think they have a chance
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: to win this game too. On Thursday night. After that,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna probably readjust a little bit moving forward, although
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: the way that season's going for the Niners, they might
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: have to forfeit. So who knows.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: They're dropping like snowflakes over there, snowflakes. All right, We're
• 1:03:50
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• 1:03:54
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  Speaker 15: Only good afternoon, you know, had an opportunity to go
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 15: back and go through the film, had an opportunity to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 15: go and meet with the coaches as well. In all
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 15: three phases of the game, we just didn't do enough.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 15: We didn't execute when we needed to at the end
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 15: of the half or the end of the game. And
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 15: it's disappointing.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: And this is a.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 15: It's a true loss. If we don't learn anything from it.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 15: We're going to use this as a teaching experience and
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 15: so talked about it, talk about it at the beginning
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 15: of the season. What success looks like for me, and
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 15: that's just getting better each and every week, not only
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 15: the players, but also the coaches and myself.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: What do you hope you last?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 15: Yeah, you know, I continually preach that every single play matters,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 15: and you can go back in that game and you
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 15: can find eight to ten plays where if we would
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 15: have just did that, and I hate that, right, like
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 15: if this would have happened, if that would have happened, Well,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 15: it didn't happen, and so to me, it's you know,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 15: the average play being five six seconds whatever. It is like,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 15: you have to have the ultimate focus and maintain that
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 15: focus as the game continues on. Now, there were a
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 15: lot of good things on the film, and I'm you know,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 15: I'm not into I'm not into you know, a good
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 15: loss or anything like that. That's not what I'm saying.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 15: But there were a lot of good things. I thought
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 15: we were still able to run the ball, to control
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 15: a line of scrimmage, even when we were down. I
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 15: felt like we were in control of the game. One thing,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 15: you know, if you offensively, we got to find a
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 15: way to get the ball down the field. We got
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 15: to find a way to get the ball in our playmakers'
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 15: hands so those guys can go out there and uh
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 15: and make yards. So and that's and that's on you know,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 15: it's a hybrid, it's a it's a it's on the
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 15: coaches myself, starting with myself, And that definitely is something
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 15: that we have to continue going forward. Defensively, you know,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 15: those guys went out there and played hard, had a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 15: few three and outs. We need we have to get turnovers.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 15: We have to find a way to get turnovers and
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 15: get the ball back into our offensive hands. And then
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 15: I would say special teams wise, you know, the main
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 15: thing being that block field goal that everyone remembers. But
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 15: like I said earlier, there were more. There were more
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 15: plays than just the the blockfield goal that cost us
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 15: this game.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Corrected in your mind or all these things.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't think anything at this level is easy.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 15: I think there is some low hanging fruit though that
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 15: we can take advantage of going forward.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Had a day to kind of chill on everything, would
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: you have done anything differently, either with the fourth and
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: one in overtime or the clock management the way you
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: guys called the end.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't want to get into you know, if
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 15: this would have happened or looking back like that, you know,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 15: and dealing the hypotheticals. I made a decision, and you know,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 15: it's a decision that I have to live with, and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 15: I'm willing to take the consequences either way. And uh,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 15: you know, all those all of those key decisions, whether
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 15: it's to take the ball I mean at the going
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 15: into overtime or not taking the ball going like those
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 15: are all things that can change on a game by
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 15: game basis and also the flow of the game. And
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 15: so you know, maybe the defense is played great are,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 15: the offense is playing great, and all those things come
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 15: into play. So I wouldn't change anything. But at the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 15: same time, to your point, you have to go back
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 15: and evaluate, you know, just that whole.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 16: Operations free to those conversations going.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 15: Look, all of those guys in that locker room want
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 15: to play football. All those guys in the locker room
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 15: want to help this team win. And if they're not frustrated,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 15: then that's that's an even bigger problem. Frustrations. I mean,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 15: every single week, someone's gonna be frustrated. Every single week
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 15: you're gonna have to put more on one side of
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 15: the ball, or more on one individual than the other,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 15: just based on matchups alone. And you know, if you're
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 15: not frustrated that, that to me just says a lot.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: I know you're asked about him yesterday and today, but
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: do you have any update Onokes four or four and
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: whether you expect him to be available if you interest.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 15: Look, Chukes left the building. He's not with the team.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 15: You know, he's doing some thinking, but at this point
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 15: in time, he's not with the team. So I don't
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 15: want to I don't want to get into that. I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 15: told you guys, I did give him a call, we
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 15: had a we had a good call, and uh, it
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 15: had nothing to do with football or roster spot. Had
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 15: everything to do with just making sure that he was okay,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 15: was dutter at.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: The green down and how easy like communication went.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 15: The communication was good and it was dutter. And remember
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 15: Duggart did it all last year as well, so it
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 15: was not anything new for him. I've always been a
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 15: huge believer in like a linebacker having the green dop.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 15: But I'll tell you the way dugger played yesterday as
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 15: a whole and able to handle the communication, he definitely
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 15: field in field in for that role. Yeah, that you know,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 15: it's hard for offensive and defensive players who you know,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 15: they feel they are just an offensive player or defense.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 15: It's hard at this level. It's not like in college
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 15: where you have one hundred people on the sideline. So
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 15: special teams is always part of the conversation and you
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 15: always try to get uh unless you're there's the absolute
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 15: best at your position or quarterback, like, they all have
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 15: to play special teams. So we talk about that's the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 15: hidden yardage and we have to take advantage of those things.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 15: And let's see how it goes going forward.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 10: What was that atmosphere like coaching in your first overtime game,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 10: having having control of everything that the team was doing offensively, and.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 15: It was great. It was great, you know. Unfortunately, you know,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 15: we walked away with an l. But it was good
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 15: to be home. I thought the fans came out and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 15: you know, they were loud and disappointed we weren't able
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 15: to deliver a win.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: For You've talked a lot about toughness, and Jacoby has
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: shown that is there or what is the level of
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: concern with a Way and how many times he's been
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: hit in these.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 15: First two games, and you never want your quarterback to
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 15: get hit. We have to do a better job in
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 15: our pass pro up front, and we have to keep
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 15: him clean because even when he's not getting hit, or
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 15: any quarterback, if they're back there and they feel people
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 15: around him, it always is going to affect you a
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 15: little bit. Now I'm saying that I've always said, Look,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 15: Jacoby is a great leader. He's a competitor, but he's
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 15: also he's a very tough player mentally and physically. And look,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 15: we'll try to keep him clean going forward. But there
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 15: I mean, look, he has shoulder pads on just like
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 15: everyone else, so see how it goes.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 9: You have any injury updates regarding family and I guess Jakobe.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 15: Yeah, so those guys are with the doctors right now.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 15: We had our injury check this morning, as I told
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 15: you guys yesterday, and I'm still kind of waiting to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 15: hear back on some of that stuff. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 15: he's another one. Like the injury check was this morning.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 15: You know, some of these guys had to get MRIs
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 15: and second opinion. So to me, I probably misspoke when
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 15: I said, you know what, I'll be able to tell
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 15: you at this press conference because once again full transparency,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 15: but once again you know you can give the team diagnoses.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 15: But a lot of these guys, whether it's them or
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 15: their agents, want to get a second opinion. So I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 15: don't feel comfortable talking about that until they get their
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 15: second opinion.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Is able to go this week? What's your level of.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 17: Confidence and.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Uh, we'll have to see.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 15: You know, he's he's had some some good snaps for us,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 15: And I mean that's what it's all about. It's you know,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 15: next man up mentality. I know it sounds very cliche
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 15: or very corny, but that's I mean, that's the world
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 15: we live in. Like, this is the roster that we
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 15: have and we're gonna We're gonna make do with it.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: And now great moments in history.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: Richard in Prague right said, please tell Matt Lower look
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: like he's wrong. It's pronounced Edinburgh, not Edinburgh.
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  Speaker 3: This just won't go time out.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: I haven't finished time out.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 7: Because I know he's gonna write.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was much more lenient of the email timeout.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: I let you read the whole thing. As matter of fact, if.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: Fred hasn't read any of the emails, and there have
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: been that have said Eric's right, you've refused to read
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: any of those.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: I've seen comments on Twitter, absolutely refused.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: The tour guide who told him otherwise was clearly a
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: major bell end. I've never heard that. That must be
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: in Scottish frog thing. I just thought it was funny,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: they said. One of the guys said I was right,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: and I didn't even know what I was saying. I
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: was just kind of throwing like Edinburgh.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.
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  Speaker 2: All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered eight five five
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  Speaker 2: patriots dot com. It's the email address. It's Evan Paul myself, dudes,
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  Speaker 2: Matt in the booth. Hello, okay, just.
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  Speaker 11: Eight, get any quickly, quickly, I might need a bib.
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  Speaker 11: There's no mite, Yeah, burpia or burpia Yeah, a little bit, all.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: Right, Tim writes, And given the recent Bryce Young news,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: why aren't fans in New England more concerned about starting
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: a rookie on a bad team? More often than not,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: these kids need a lot to go right around them
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: to succeed Carr Young, Donald Bradford, Wilson, Lance Jones, Fields,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: on and on and on. I don't want this kid
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: in this team to start early only to be a
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: cautionary tale.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: Well, seems like you're gonna get your wish because he's
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: not playing.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah. I just think it's too simplistic the way
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: people cag a right. I mean, if a guy plays
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: right away and he doesn't work out, it's because you
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: played too early. Yeah, Like okay, yeah, if you tell
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: me so, If you tell me Bryce Young would have
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: been a star if he sat eight weeks and this
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be happening, I'll take your word for it. I
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: don't know. I can't tell you I'm right.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: But what are the saying operations on though, is this
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: like we need to pull them back? And is this
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: like your mental resets?
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: He played, he played too early and they don't have
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: the roster to support him, so they ruined him. That's
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: the that's the Twitter, because the Twitter has all the answers,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: much like to taga Loa should retire because because people
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: that watch football say so, yeah, Antonio Piis by the way,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: should be fined.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: But they're all Paul, you got it, they're all concerned
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: for Tua.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: How many to Mario Douglas get last year? To anybody
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: calling for him to retire? No, not yeah, because it's
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: not of our business.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Well he didn't do the fencing, but it's.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: Not of our business. It's it's it's up to the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: player to take, you know, the information that he has,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: weigh the risks, decide what he wants to do, what's
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: best for him. There's plenty of guys. Who's that linebacker
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: from San Francisco Borland? I think Chris Borland retired after
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: like his first year, had a good YEP, first or
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: second year, that what was best for him, right, that's
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: what that's what he decided to do.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Yep. Franklin and Baltimore. I know you guys will spend
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: some time talking about the game, but I have to
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: mention I see how Carolina just torpedoed any chance of
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Bryce Young being a decent player. And I'm all the
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: more glad May didn't follow the same route because I
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: think multiple things can be true. Yes, Bryce is bad
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: and has shown no sign of improvement from year one
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: to year two. And yes there are other quarterbacks who
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: can overcome a bad situation. But if you're a team
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: who has invested as much capital as the Panthers did
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: in getting Young, it doesn't do your organization any good
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: to then just throw him to the Wolves before he's
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: ready and expect them to show a maturity of a
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: veteran when managing a bad team. Some young quarterbacks do
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: need more time than others. And it's nighttime, and it's nighttime,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: we hold it's not time. Maybe we hold front offices
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: accountable for poorly supporting the young players. Thankfully, the Patriots
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: are doing the right thing and aren't rushing for instant
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: gratification while the team is still under construction.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 7: I sort of have a question in the back that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 7: last point, but just out of curiosity, like name the
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: best receiver on the Carolina Panthers, Right, I'm feeling Deontay
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: Johnson Adam feeling maybe right like it just their situation
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 7: in Carolina is malpracticed because they had two full off
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 7: seasons to stock Bryce Young supporting gats and have done well.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: They also wasted all their resources getting Bryce Young right.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 7: And including trading DJ Moore, who would have been very
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: helpful to.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: Now he probably wants to go back by Burns like
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: they wasted a lot of Listen, I'm not going to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: turn this into the Panthers, but I just have a
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: quick question. When I was fourteen, how do we know
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: that Bryce Young wasn't ready right?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: That's I think it's something there that you don't know.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: Their situation to me, has nothing to do with Bryce Young.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: If the Patriots go into next off season twenty twenty
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: five and they still have this line and these receivers
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: and all that, it's gonna have nothing to do with
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 7: Drake May. Necessarily it's gonna have to do with the
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 7: fact that Elliott Wolf didn't do his job.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm not as smart as these people. I don't
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: know the state of readiness that all these players have.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Like I don't. I didn't know that Trey Lance was
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: gonna break his ankle in his second career style, I
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: didn't know that was gonna happen. I'm not as smart
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: as these people. Yeah, Like I think there's a million
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: ways that quarterbacks fail and succeed. Yeah, and I think
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: that we just think there's only there's only two. Either
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: guy plays too early or they do it the right way. Now,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: those are the only two.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: I have to admit. I haven't watched a lot of
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Bryce Young, so I don't know the eye test.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: He stinks, right, I mean there is what is what
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: it is?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Like? Like I watched Caleb Williams the other night. He
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: looked okay, Like.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: I thought he looked really good, to be honest.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: With you, he threw the ball well with you know,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: with confidence. I thought he moved around. He's going to
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: get better, Like he has a lot to He's got
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: to learn that. He can't run around right seven times
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: the ball. But you can see like him out there
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: is going to help him, Like it's it's now listen.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 7: He's so much more talented than Yeah, he.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: Might he might not work right like for that. There
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: might be other reasons why, But I just don't think
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: it's always if the guy plays too early and it
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: doesn't work out, it's because he played too guy plays
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: right away, it's because he played too early, right. I
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: think that's so simplistic. There's no pressure on anybody.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: Like I have one of the Baker Mayfield league.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Let's look at your guy, Baker Mayfield, who I'm not
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: a huge fan of, is better with him? Has he looked?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Looks great?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: He's playing all right? Right, Yeah, it's doing okay. Played early.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Cleveland ruined him right.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: Right, That would have ruined like three times Cleveland ruined him.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: Then you know he left it or or maybe it
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: just took him a while to figure out how to play. Yeah,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: and he was fine. They're like, it's not this mental
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: battering that he had. I don't know. Maybe he would
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: probably tell you maybe I could have used a little
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: more time to develop, and he probably like who wouldn't.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: But I just don't think it's a blanket statement that
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: like if you right away, you played too.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Early, or he could tell you being out there right
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: away helped me because I faster.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 7: You know, he was actually good as rookie year. He
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 7: was really good as k He kind of had like
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 7: a Mac Jones of it all where the rookie year
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: was good and then it kind of takes.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: I just know me, and whether it was in sports
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: or a classroom, I learned by doing a lot faster
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: than just listen.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: And that worked for you. Right now, someone else might
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: work by watching, you know, learn by watching, and he
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: benefits from it. I just my problem isn't that I'm
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: I think I'm right. That's not my problem. Your problem
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: is I don't know saying it has to be this way, right,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: there's only and it's everybody's analysis is strictly result based.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: I don't need an analysis if you're just gonna tell
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: me who won the game, right, like I have the
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: school board for that. Like obviously Bryce Young has been terrible.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Did you see like do you see some of his
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: stats Mike.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Years?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I saw him getting run around getting killed.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: Like literally the Patriots passing game is doubling that. Think
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: about that, that's how bad it's been. Yeah, But I don't, like,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: I don't I just don't know everything that all these
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: other guys seem to know.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: That he was wasn't ready, and it's such without context
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: of their college careers of guys who were Drake May
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: who's twenty one, who really started two years whereas this
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: is a guy like Jayden Daniels, who you know, what,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: what's Jayden Daniels like If you're gonna sit him now
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: at twenty four to twenty five years, like, you got
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: to get him going. You know, he's got all that
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: college experience that he has to go off of. Whereas
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: you know, kid like May's a little bit younger.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: So like those three, those three rookies that are playing right,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: none of them are ready, like because the rookie is
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: just probably not going to be ready, right, but I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: don't know, like Washington has been able to be serviceable
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: with Jayden Daniels.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 7: Been the best.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a question do you get them ready
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: on the bench or do you get them ready by playing?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: Either way, like you said, none of them are ready.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: To me, the only one of them looks like he's
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: way over his head.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: Get them ready quicker and better.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: Like when I watched this because I watched a good
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: chunk of the Denver game because we were playing Seattle, Yeah,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: and I thought bo Nix looked like he was way
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: over his head.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: He had to Mac Jones interceptions in that game off
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 7: the back foot, just lofting the ball.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: And he said when they asked him, you know, what
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: did you see on that interception? He goes, I dropped
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: back and through it to the other team. That was
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: his explanation.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't like that if I was Sean Payton. But
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: he's got four picks in two games. He looks to me,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: you know, like he's struggling. Daniels runs around. He's a
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: great athlete and he gets himself out of a lot
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: of trouble, you know with that, And I think Williams,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: I agree with you, especially in the first half the
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: other night. I thought there was a big improvement from
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: Week one to week two. We missed a lot of
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: easy throws in week one. He's going to have to learn,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: much like Brian Hoyer said about May in the preseason,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: like you can't just run around because these guys in
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: this league are just as fast as you and they're
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: gonna you can't just run around. Give ground. He had
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: like a nineteen yard sack he took in the first game,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: and some of the interceptions were as a result of
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: him just trying to do too much. He's got to
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: learn that kind of stuff.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: He and how big, and then that becomes the bottom line.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: How best to learn that? Is it just sitting on
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: the bench or actually getting in the game and making
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: those mistakes and learning from that. There's no right answer.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: Learning from it, though, is the key. Whether he's on
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: the field or on the bench, does he learn from
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: it or do you just see the same mistakes over
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: and over it.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: The vibe I get from the Patriots handling with Drake
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 7: is more him watching Jakobe go through the motions of
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: being a starting quarterback in the league. More so then
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 7: he's only gonna learn the stuff we're talking about by playing.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: I don't think that they believe that he's gonna stand
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: on the sideline and holding the clipboard and all of
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 7: a sudden learn how to redefenses and do all this
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: other stuff by sitting on the sideline. They want him
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 7: to mature a little bit before they throw him out there.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: They want to show him, you know, this is what
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: a ten year veteran in the league does to prepare
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 7: on Tuesday for a game that's not until Sunday. Like
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 7: this is the way that you go about watching film,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 7: This is the way that you go about scouting an
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 7: opponent like those types of things, because they aren't in
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 7: any rush. Like if they felt like they they needed
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 7: to rush him on the field, then they would probably
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: just say, just learn that stuff, you know, we'll walk
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 7: it through it and we'll get you there. But they
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 7: aren't in any rush. I don't think it's that they
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 7: believe he's gonna be better off from sitting. In terms
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: of all the stuff we're talking about, like Caleb holding
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 7: the ball too long, or you know, bo Nick's throwing
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 7: bad interceptions or whatever the case may be. That stuff
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 7: is going to come from playing. But they want him
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: to learn how to be a pro. And I also
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 7: think they wanted the offense to in general just settle down,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 7: at least settle into some sort of an identity before
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: they put him.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: In their fingers crossed, we'll get there, I believe.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: Derek writes in are the Patriots doing on? When you
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: a disservice putting him at right tackle and not his
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: normal position of guard.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, personally, I feel like I've been consistent. I
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: just I think he's a really good guard. Yeah, I
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: think he's an okay tackle. And it's just I have.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 7: A tough time saying disservice because he already got paid.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: Kind of getting paid like a right tackle.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: He's already making money, so it's not like he's on
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 7: the last year of his rookie contract and he's trying
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: to hit free agency on a high. He already got
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: his money. But yeah, he's he's out of position.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: I think he'd be better served at guard. I agree
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: with everybody. But he is getting paid. I think he's
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: like on the fringe of the top ten right tackles
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: at nineteen million AAV something like that. It's just like
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: he's underpaid. Let's put it that way.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: It's just not a twenty I mean, you you paid
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: this guy. You you know, touted him as a big
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: signing of you know, kind of the crown jewel of
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: your offensive line in the offseason, and the reports that
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: he came in overweight, that he's you know, having a
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: bad game in Week two. I mean, these are the
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: guys that you need to rise up and set the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: tone and you know, carry the torch on the offensive line,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: and right now, to have him have a bad game,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: it's just it's disheartening. It's okay, I understand if it's
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: a left tackle position, I think we're all used to
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: that at this point, but but getting it from him
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: when you it's that's that's a step backwards.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Todd's in North Carolina the TPX outline, what's up Todd?
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 17: Hey, you get up to that And gentlemen, I took
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 17: away some positives from the game thinking that, you know,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 17: they tried to do some other stuff and they didn't
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 17: just quit like last ye as soon as they would
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 17: have gone down, I think they might have just quit.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 17: My question is kind of how do how does how
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 17: does our opensive coordinator get this team to a play
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 17: where we can use all our tools because we're not
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 17: using all our tools, but we don't have a lot
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 17: of great tools. We've got some good tools, and I
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 17: want to go great and I think the only way
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 17: the team can progress is to be able to use
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 17: all of them. And I'm not sure how you do
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 17: it with the system. You think you can go inside
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 17: a system or is he going to be forcing the
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 17: system onto the players have.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: A good show. Well, I know there's two parts to that.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: And not sure they quit last year. I think maybe
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: on offense maybe some guys, but not on defense certainly,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: you know. And then the other part of it. I mean,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: it's I can't answer that. I have no idea like
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: forcing the system onto them versus adjusting the system to
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: the players.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: You know, I just kind of disagree with that whole notion,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: not to like pick on Todd, but like, I don't
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 7: I don't feel like they're forcing players into a system.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 7: Like every team has a system, so at some point
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 7: in time, you have to run a system. You not
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 7: going to just it's not Madden, Like we're not just
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 7: picking plays out of a make believe playbook and saying
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: this is what we're gonna run. Like every team has
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: a system that the players have to go out and
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 7: find out how to execute within their skill sets. So like,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 7: I don't know, I feel like there's a lot of
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 7: that coming out of this game, where it's like, oh,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 7: they're forcing the system onto the grip, like I they
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: got to execute better. Like it's that simple. Like the players,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 7: like Josh McDaniels would not change his entire system, you
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: would tell them to execute it better.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: No, you cannot like the system. I don't particularly care
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: for it, But I don't necessarily think that they need
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: to like alter everything to fit. Yeah to Mario Douglas.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: That's my point too.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: Nolan in California. As much as I wanted in thought
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Drake would start week once, seeing how the season is unfolding,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: with rookie quarterbacks struggling a bit, Jacoby doing a nice
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: job of protecting the ball and himself, I don't mind
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: this patient approach, especially since even with Drake, who is
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: to say, who is to say our record will be better?
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: Let's be patient.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: I just I wonder when the patients will run out,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: And that's you know, I'm patient right now.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: But I just think it goes back to what we
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: were just talking about.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: Is no one out there is anyone realistically saying Drake
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: May shouldn't even play this year.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Like that's where I draw, And that's the thing we
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: talked about, Like a lot.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: Of people want that.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Let's let's not confuse playing Drake because we think the
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: record will be better. That's not why I want to
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: play Drake. I don't care about the record this year.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: All I care about is the development of Drake May.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: And if that means they won two games. But now
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: if they only win two games, that probably means they
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: didn't play that well. But I get it. But like
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: that's like what the record is to me right now
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: is secondary to the future. I just the future is
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: what I'm worried about right now.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think it would matter much like I mean,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: nobody you're gonna give yourself like that much better of
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: a chance or worse of a chance.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to play Drake
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: May now because I want a record to be better.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: But like to Mike's point, I get the feeling there's
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of people now that are very content if
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: they don't see May at all this year, and I'm
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: not making listen.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: I think that's growing.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: But I say this all the time. I don't like
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: to tell people how they should feel. Like if that's
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: how you feel as a fan, then that's how you feel.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: I just but I think there's a growing thing. Like
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: it was like a New England Twitter victory lap when
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: Bryce Young was announced to getting bench yesterday. See this
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: is why we're doing it the right way. Okay, like
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: that that's how you feel. So you don't want Drake
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: May to play it all this year? Right, That's because
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: that's basically what you're saying. And yeah, I again, I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: don't tell people how they should feel. I just think
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: it's important to get him some experience.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I selfishly want to see him play because it's
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 7: more exciting for us from selfishly ye through the rough.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: But I'm with exactly what you just said. I just
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 7: want to see him get his feet wet at some
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: point this year so that he's not going into your
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 7: too completely inexperienced. Because I like to be positive and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 7: think upbeat that Elliott Wolf in this personnel department is
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: gonna do their jobs. They're gonna do stuff the next offseason,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 7: so they're gonna have a ton of cap space. They're
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 7: probably gonna have a pretty high draft pick. If this
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 7: offense has Will Campbell at left tackle and T Higgins
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 7: at receiver going into next season. I know that's lofty
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 7: to expect all that to fall into place, but something
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 7: along those lines. And now Drake May played the last
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 7: six eight games of the season and looked, Okay, now
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 7: you feel like you have some hope going into next
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 7: season like that. That's where I'm at, Like this is
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 7: not the finished product of what this offense is going
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 7: to look like when he's truly the entrench starter.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: And I mean I've said up before too. It's that's
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: all great stuff too. And for me, it's starting starting
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: his story with the Patriots and going into you know,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: whether it's probably not maybe going down to Miami or
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: having to go to Buffalo and getting the experience of
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: those games, those places. He's gonna have to play like
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: to get those out of the so next year it's
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: not all right his first time going to Miami or
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: his first time going to Buffalo. I'd like to get
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: those things out of the way now, start to establish that,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: get you know, get his butt kicked by Buffalo, and
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: then you know he's motivated to come back and play.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: So as much as it's like about the playbook and
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: understanding how game day goes and all those kind of things,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: for me, it's it's about the story too and starting
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: that and starting to build Drake may up as the
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: guy who's going to dig you out of this hole.
• 1:32:23
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• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: play calling, but the regular old handoff they did and
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: the first player overtime really annoyed me. Also, on the
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: postgame shows, Mike has been referring to the Good List
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: as the uplist. Can you please ask him to just
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: stick to the script and stop being all California progressive
• 1:33:42
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• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize that the uplist.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: Now, now it's going to be an airworm for me.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: There we go all right, I like it.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, I just wish we could do the good list,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: the bad list, and the injured list without interruption.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's a comment for the host.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: Right, we got to the injured this week, though, that was.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: We did have it. We had an we had an
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: injured list this week, unfortunately.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh spiin Fresno. Is it fair to blame the
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: defensive miscues on the lack of offense? The staff is
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: asked for the defense to carry the team for years. Eventually,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: asking so much from the defense will be too much.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: That said, Christian Gonzalez's coverage looks soft as a baby's bottom.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Sure he's a ballerina out there, but maybe it's time
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: to take off the tow two and press a guy.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 7: I guess, I guess we just see two different guys
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 7: with Gonzales.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: I'll just let him have his t what's the rebuttal
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: the tape?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 7: Like, I just I'm just not really sure, but tell like,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 7: like I mean, if you want to put the bust
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 7: on him, then like shore like, you can put the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 7: coverage bust on him if you want to do that.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 7: Play clearly the rest of the game he's on Metcalf
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: for the shadowing Metcalf all over the field and he
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 7: gives up I think it was three catches for like
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 7: twenty four yards against DK and coverage, Like do you
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 7: want him to press a guy that has twenty five
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: pounds on him and runs a four to three with
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 7: the game on the line in overtime, Like that's that's
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: the why strategy is to get up in his face
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: and then when he runs by him for a seventy
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: five yard touchdown to win the game, then we're all
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 7: gonna blame him for why was He's so aggressive on
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 7: the play, Like he was at a size disadvantage going
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 7: up against DK, so he played more offman in this
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: game than he has in the past. And I can
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 7: totally understand why, like make him run by you, Like
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: why would you just crowd him at the line of scrimmage,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 7: let him throw you out the club and then go
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 7: up the field on you, Like that doesn't make any
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: sense to me. I just I don't know that I
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 7: get I'm ana he could call me all riled up,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: but I just I just don't really see, like what
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: the nitpicks are with Gonzales Unless you want to sit
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 7: here and say that that he gave up the touchdown.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I think what they.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: Don't ever apologize to having a strong opinion about something
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: that's good stuff.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: Well, well see, now, ball knowers might say what you're saying,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: but the lay person might say, well, we didn't see
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: him break up passes.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 7: He did break up a pass, well, he almost intercepted it.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: He had a good player in a deep ball. But
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: I forget the Gonzales part of that. I just let
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: Evan handle that, which I like that stuff. More of that,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: but the whole notion that the defense, you know, let
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: down by the offense, Well, the Patriots started the game,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: they went three and oh second possession, they went down
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: the field and scored a touchdown, goes seven to nothing.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: The response to that was to allow a fifty six
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: yard touchdown pass. So I'm sorry if you're not going
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: to blame that on the offense. Okay, now I'm not
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: getting into who's that fault. Clearly the fifty six yard touchdown.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: Gonzales and Dugger both let the guy go. I don't
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: know who was at fault. I don't know if it
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: was the call. I think I heard them say something
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: about they weren't expecting a deep ball because they had
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: a pressure dialed up. They felt like the ball was
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: going to come out quicker than that. They they both
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: got caught peeking. It happens whatever, but it wasn't like
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: to me, there's a difference between a guy running down
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: the sideline with a guy in he's three steps behind
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: and gets beat. Nobody covered him. They both let him
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: go right now. That might have been one hundred percent
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: on Gonzales, might have been one hundred percent on Doug.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: Was a physical it was mental.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: But whatever, It wasn't a guy getting beat. It was
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: someone blowing an assignment. Whoever's fault it was right. So
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: I think that's different Dk Metcalf, it's a good player.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: It's a good.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: Player, like you're not. I know that people think that
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: it's Dion Sanders. It's not don't hold him to that standard.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: It's not fair. It's not fair to Gonzales to say, like, well,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: the other team's got a really good receiver. I'm going
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: to expect a zero out of him today.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: It's not going to happen, right Tim our friend from Duncan,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: he wants to know if he's the only one that
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: thinks that if Drake May had started, we would have
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: won that game, this game on Sunday.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: Again, I don't know how other people feel.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: No, well, do you think that if he had started
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: this game, he went every play?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: But does every play go the way it was? Do
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: they call different plays? What happens if every play unfolds
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: the way it was? I think Drake May turns it
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: over three times. And personally a.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: Rookie quarterback is a roller coaster anyway, So like, what
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: were the highs?
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: What were the lows?
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, we all probably say he might have thrown
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: the ball deep, he might have made one. He also
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 5: might have screwed up an easy one or you know.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: There was one that Evan talked about in thousand percent
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: agree with him in the press box at the time
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: where he kind of present, kind of broke containment, rolled
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: out to his right up toward like the Patriots sideline,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: and he threw one on the run I think, and
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: he threw it about five yards. May probably completes that.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: It's a first down in a low red zone and
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: you're probably gonna get You're probably going to get more
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: points out of it. Instead they had to kick a
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: short field goal. Yeah, but if every play unfolded exactly
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: the same way. I find it awfully hard to believe
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: that a rookie wouldn't have turned the ball over under
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: those circumstances.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 7: I would just Mike, you said it perfectly. If Drake
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 7: May was playing right now, it would be a roller coaster. Well,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 7: he'd have They'd have five or six plays that I
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: would love to put on the on Twitter and be like,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 7: look at this throw. Also have three picks? Yeah?
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: Would he have those picks? But would you also have plays.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: Right like he might have? You remember the play that
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: that Bressett had to retreat like twenty yards and he
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: just like desperation, threw it off his back foot and
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: it floated and Henry caught it while sliding to the ground.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: Otherwise it would have been a touchdown. Yeah, might have
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: been a touchdown if they did the same thing. Yeah,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: might have been. Now he might I'm going to say
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: it would have been a sack because I don't think
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: May would have seen the pressure coming as quickly as
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: Presette did. Could be again, we don't know.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: How about I'll just say this twenty twenty six, Drake
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: May definitely would have won that game for them, just
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: a perfect from two years from now.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: He's got all the experience.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: Say twenty six, Drake may better have won that game.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: Otherwise we might be looking for a new guy.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 7: Perfectly timed and designed leak call on the one to
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 7: Hunter Henry that absolutely would have been pants off in
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 7: the press box there were anywhere a touchdown and the
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 7: fact that they just can't block anybody and it took
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: it away from me. It just grinds out.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: But you look at the all twenty two and I
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: mean Hunters out there and it's nothing.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: But well, if you ask the people on Twitter, the
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: play that has been maybe one of the most indefensible
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 7: plays in football for five years, it's a design flaw
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: in the play. No, they just can't block anybody. Okay,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 7: because every single Sunday the Green Bay Packers and the
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 7: forty nine ers run that play for touchdowns every single week.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 7: But they have an offensive line and you don't like
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 7: that's the difference. It is awesome because they say, oh,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: it's it's a design. We shouldn't be asking, you know,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 7: the poler to come across and block the guy on
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 7: the edge. Yeah, and it's like, or how about he
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 7: gets there, like you know, it just I don't understand
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 7: that because every other team in the league can run
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 7: that play for big plays every single week, but the
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 7: Patriots can't run it, So it's Alex Van Pelts fault
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 7: and the play is poorly designed because they can't block it. Like,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 7: I just how does that make any sense?
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: El from Wisconsin. Now, I know the stats are similar,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: but I have a way different feeling about this team
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: versus last year. And I'll tell you why I like
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: this team. Last year, I was done with Bill after
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: the Patrician decision. I also didn't like pretty much anything
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: about Mac Jones from the moment he was drafted. It
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: wasn't a team I wanted to root for. Now, I
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: think there's a chance Thinks can get back to the
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: rails and it makes me happy. Secondly, to all the
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: people glad May isn't starting, I can't wait to see
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: him in three years when we hopefully have the forty
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: nine ers roster. Yeah, I don't understand.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: I don't understand any of the last part. The first
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: part I totally understand. I think it's more likable because
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: I think Mac Jones was not likable. Yeah, I totally
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: get that mindset.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't feel that way about Mac, but I
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 7: like one of your guys, Jim Murray, that's like his
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 7: big take is that they don't have the grumpy old
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 7: coach and they don't have Mac Jones anymore so just
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 7: from a fans perspective, the product is just more likable.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: And I can understand. Like, again, if you're telling me
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: it's a feel, then I agree because I feel the
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: same thing that you guys feel. I mean not telling
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: you that that's right because I agree with you, but
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: I'm saying as long as you're not talking about something tangible,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: because it hasn't been all that different, But if you're
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: talking about like I just feel better about watching this
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: team because Poudy Mac isn't out there, you know, bitch
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: into his coach every other game and and Brissets out
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: there instead, Like I would agree the fact that to me,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: the biggest thing is you have the third overall pick, Mike,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: how did you put it?
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: Your best club still in the bag.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 7: Your driver's still in the bag, Cameron.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: That's huge golf. That's mentally to me that makes me
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: thank you. It has me far more engaged in this
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: season than I was at this time last year. When
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: you know, it was basically the same. They were one
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: and one but kind of done.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: Did we ever about why when Mac was drafted that
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: there wasn't any talk about, well, we should probably sit
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: him for a little.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: Bit, because he was deemed to be NFL ready.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a big part of it. That was it.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: Plus everybody had seen Cam Newton nfore. Like if this
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: was like, let's let's let's say that we drafted Drake
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: Maye next year with the third overall pick and Brissette
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: plays this whole year, I don't think there'd be as
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: many people looking to say, let's be patient. Yeah, because
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: like Cam Newton had played at twenty twenty and everybody
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: saw I don't like that.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 7: Still also Bill was here, McDaniels was here. They just
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 7: spent a bunch of money in free agency on players,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 7: and they still had some of that dynasty mystique on them.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 7: I just feel like the roster was in the better
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 7: spot in general, at the very.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: Least, we're all fooling ourselves into believing it was in
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: a better spot.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: Well, they they were in a better spot than twenty one.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: They had just gone in that free agent spending spree,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: which always gives you the immediate bump followed by the
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: drop off, and that's exactly what.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Happened Johnson in Porters Lake Nova, Scotia. I'm tuning in
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: late to the show, and I'm in agreement with Paul's
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: take of not seeing Drake May right away. I only
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: want to see him if the production of the offense
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: drops and becomes hard to watch. Is that that's not
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: what you said, but I take it all with the
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: continued challenges on the old line. Do you see Cold
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Strange immediately inserted in the starting lineup off the pup?
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: Will it take some time?
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: I don't think Michael Trun's been okay, Like it's probably
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: been one of their most consistent.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: At this point.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: I'll take anything, like I'll take anyone back into the mix,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: like anyone who has some kind of pedigree.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know what Cold Strange is going to be when.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: He comes back, but at this point, you just need
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: bodies along the line. That's that's the biggest concern.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I actually say Jordan, I mean, he's got his issues,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 7: like he's a he doesn't have a great anchor, is
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 7: a little bit pushed around at times. But he's been
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 7: pretty solid for a guy that you just signed off
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 7: your practice squad, Like you don't really think of much
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 7: of those types of guys usually, and he's he's held
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 7: his own.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: The only thing I would say, like, Jordan's not really
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: a practice squad guy. He's a new fangles. He's like
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: a fifty year guy. Right, yeah, So he's not a
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: guy that you're necessarily developing, right, He's a veteran that
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: you're stashed on the five.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: Years ago he wouldn't be eligible right practice, right, Brendan,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: do you think Drake May getting thirty percent of the
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: practice reps is contributing to our poor passing? Attack less
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: reps for Jacoby has to be affecting game day. Do
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: you think the locker room will eventually get mad that
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: their offense is not ready for game day due to
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: splitting reps.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: I don't even know, man, I I can't.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, if it's that much of an effect that
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: I just I think it's a good thing. I think
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: the fact that they're still continuing to focus on Drake
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: May again reference Evan's piece that he wrote, I mean,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: he's staying active behind the scenes.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 4: That's that's the most important thing.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: I don't cho Kobe Presett's the veteran and I mean,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: and even you said, I know there's some you know,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: it's unclear exactly when these thirty percent reps are. But
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: if those are on first and second down days, I
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: don't you know, most of those are gonna be handoffs anyways,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I just I mean, third down, red zone,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: those from Thursday Friday, those are those are the money
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: down days.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: Those are the gotta have it moments.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 7: You know, it's it's critinly their base offense stuff, like
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 7: they're not they're not doing a whole lot on first
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 7: and second down that they don't do every single week,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 7: Like the game plan stuff, third down red zone. You know,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 7: there's gotta have in situations. And like, I'm not saying
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 7: that Gerrod's lying when he says thirty percent, but if
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: it's thirty percent because he took half the reps on
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 7: a Wednesday and then takes like none of the reps
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 7: on Thursday and Friday, that that sort of thing is
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 7: a little bit different when it comes to that kind
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 7: of game plan stuff.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: I think we're caught up in the semantics of it.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: I agree, let's go to the TPX hotline. Eldred's in
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 9: Hey fellows, tell y'all doing to day?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, Taylor, hey Evan, love you man.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 9: I agree with you too.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 16: But I've been staying it what you say.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 9: At the beginning of the show.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 17: I've been staying it for about ten years, right, Paw.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 9: Why you let the slowest guy runs the reverse or
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 9: the receiver go deep on a go route and you got.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 16: Some fast guys.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 9: I could never understand that.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 7: I Eldred, I, for the life of me, cannot figure.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: Out what the element of surprise?
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 7: What what is Taekwon Thorton doing here? If it's not
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 7: to do stuff like that? Like why is he on
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 7: the roster if he's not gonna take end a rounds
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 7: and run verticals and like that, do that sort of thing.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 7: Otherwise he's just just running wind sprints out there for
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 7: four quarters.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 10: It.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: I don't get it, all right, I'll get off fired up.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: I didn't Again, I didn't have a chance to watch
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: the film like I like to do. How what was
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 5: Techon toward? Like I didn't even clock him once in
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: that game other than when he lined up in the
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: backfield on that the.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: Eye candy play.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 7: I kind of liked it, to be honest with you,
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 7: I did it just didn't They didn't block it well
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 7: on the interior. But you know, by by having taekwon
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 7: there and and it's basically option football at that point,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 7: like old school wing tea stuff. By having him back there,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 7: it held the backside of the formation because if if
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 7: everybody crashes inside, then Jacoby is just gonna flip it
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 7: out to him and he's gonna have nothing but green
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 7: grass out there. So I actually liked the fact that
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 7: they added that little window dressing in there. They just
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 7: didn't block it well.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: What but but what what they pull back on thward
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 5: this week? Or like where I need I mean again,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 5: I frame a reference.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 7: Just a couple of times I thought he had a
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 7: decent release of the line of scrimmage, but for the
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 7: most part he got blanketed.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Nixon, New Hampshire, what's up? Nick? Nick? Nick? In New Hampshire,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: Nick going once twice, three times? You're gone? Matt Is
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: in Des Moines, what's up, Matt?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 9: Hey? I just wanted to double check on the overtime.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 9: On the last drive we had a fourth and one
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 9: were any of these surprised that we didn't go for
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 9: it because we hadn't stopped the other team in the
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 9: last drives. And so I'm just serious, if that was
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 9: kind of a surprise to you guys, if they didn't
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 9: go for it, I'll take it off.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Matt.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: I wasn't really that surprised.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: I wasn't surprised. I think that that's a call in
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: overtime that basically you're you're making the game come down
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: to one play, get it, and you still have a shot.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: You miss it, you probably ended the game from your
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: own thirty nine yard line. And by the way, I
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: would say it worked, you got a good punt, you
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: get them at the sixteen yard line, you should be
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: able to get the ball back right, you know, And
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: instead they went right down the field, down the field.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it just I think nine you're basically in the
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 7: field goal range.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: It's a one play game. It's a one yeah, you know.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: And I would say, you know, back and I know
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: Evan gave a lot of reasons why he liked the
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: Taekwon throwton in the backfield. I just think it's your
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: identity is something that you've said ad nauseum since you
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: took over of what you want to be. So is
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: that the time that we're going to say, well, we're
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: going to see if we can run this play and
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: hold the backside end with the thread of an option
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: pitch or do you just want to line up and
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: put you you know what's on the table and tell
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: everybody you can't stop us because this is the kind
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: of team that we're going to be. And by the way,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: that was pretty successful throughout the day. Lining up and
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: running the ball was pretty successful.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 7: But they.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: Didn't even line up properly. It really annoyed that play
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: annoyed me in a lot of ways.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 7: But they really did just run it right at him,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 7: Like it wasn't like it was like some dipsy do
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 7: run where they like had Jacoby running like a triple
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 7: option out on.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: The I know, but like it was it was a
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: different formation than that they've seen. They didn't even line
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: up right, like they screwed it up.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 7: That part of it's fair.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: I just why we split in the atom, just line
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: up and get a yard.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: If they could call it your playpole one cloud of you.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: On one.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 7: I definitely remember Dante Scarneki has say more than once,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: if you can't pick up a yard for the game,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 7: then you're not very good on offense like that. You know,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 7: that's that was his whole thing, But.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: That's the mentality. You have to have hat on a hat,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: right on a hat. I'm better than you.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: They ran gap, but just I was disappointed. I was
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: disappointed with that play.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: Jacket and Abba. What if the Patriots had signed quarterback
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield last offseason and then drafted a left tackle
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: in the first round. Wouldn't wouldn't he said, the Patriots
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: be a vastly better team right now.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 7: He was not available, So I don't know why we're
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 7: talking about that. Let's say, let's say they have gears
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 7: all right now, It's okay, you can It's not your fault.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: Would they be Cousins? Would they be a vastly better
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: team if they had Baker Mayfield or Kirk Cousins? I
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: don't think so, and and a real I don't think so.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: I think he'd be better. I think though, both of
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: those guys are better than Jacoby Brissett. And obviously, if
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: you had Joe Alt instead of Vederian Lowell playing left tackle,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: your line would be better. I don't think your team
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: would be vastly superior. I think you'd still have everything
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: else that you have. Rick, what do you think? No, No,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 12: Saree we should have signed him or no this this
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 12: year you had a chance to like that then everything
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 12: you said.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: Both of those guys were free agents.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: No, I just I mean what tickled me was just
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know tickle me was that should have been
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: the move for Bill last year?
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 9: Like?
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, did you think you were gonna salvage mac
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: like based on how things were going after twenty twenty two? Like,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: I know that that to me him or I think.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: The bigger point from Jack and and Abba is are
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: we are we a quarterback and a left tackle away
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: from being vastly better?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: If your quarterback is really good, maybe you could say that.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think Kirk Cousins and Baker Mayfield are in
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: that stratosphere. Okay, I think they're both middlers. Okay, now
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: you want to give me Chris Godwin and Mike Evans.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: With Baker Mayfield, that's a different story. But he's still
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: throwing to Damario Douglas. Taypwon Thornton and kJ Osborne.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, Rick and Newburyport. Thirty years ago today, Drew Bledsoe
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: had his shoulder separated by Ken Norton Junior in San Francisco,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: and on that same day, Patrick Mahomes was born. So, okay,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: you don't say you never learned anything thirty years ago?
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: Ninety four?
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: How much?
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: How much time do you miss on that one?
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, it was ninety four, No, ninety three, except.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: Thirty years right.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 7: I was very confused. I thought we were talking about
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 7: ninety one five he did what?
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: So it was twenty nine?
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Nicholas in Oslo, Norway, Norway.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: I'm a little upset with myself. I don't remember.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: I thought he hurt his shoulder in ninety five.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: Thirty years ago. Today would be ninety four. It would
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: have to be ninety four.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think he got hurt in ninety four.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe Brick and Newburyport. Check your check your math.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: I think he played all sixteen games in ninety four
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: through for four thousand.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: Five thirty I could be watching. What am I doing about?
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: He threw about five yards.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: Valuable all twenty two times going down the drain.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: Poor Mike. He can't even watch I couldn't watch it.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 7: I'll get situated.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: He couldn't be No, No, I like to watch it,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: but I'm not as good like Tom Paul can watch
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 5: the whole game and he remembers everything like I watch it.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: It's all one ear out graphicmer.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. I get you have a photographic memory.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: I don't think so, No, but maybe I don't know.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: Maybe I do. I don't really know the definition of that.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Like you can look at something and remember it.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: But like everything.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 7: No, but he's watching the this is not a shot,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 7: like it's just a different way of watching the game.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 7: Like he that you're great at at seeing the game.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 7: I'm great at seeing like leak right, like you know.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: And then that's being great at something and not caring
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: about it. I would fall into the latter end.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's like what that's why I types of things. Yeah,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 7: I think you're leading. No, you're in the same category
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 7: as him.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: I don't see it like he does.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 7: No, But when we're on the road together, like you'll
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 7: point out things that like my brain is like lost
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 7: in like what freaking run scheme they're running? And like
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 7: you'll just.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 9: Like.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: I'm but I you know, I do it out of love.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: He is, he's interested in the schematics of of of plays.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: And I'm just telling you that guy's a good player
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: and he won that battle, he won that matchup or whatever,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: and I want this guy on my team because he's
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: better than that guy. And I'm just telling you what worked.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: And Evan's telling you why, Yeah, I like that, So
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: I mean there's a difference. There is a difference. I
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: need the.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 7: Paul like Trags was that for me at the beginning,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 7: and someone that that brings me back to see the
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 7: forest for the trees is important because when you're in
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 7: the weeds, you're in you lose it.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 5: There's no All twenty two version of Paul with penalties
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: and situational.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: Football like those are your like you're good at those.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: Like I didn't like the decision to decline that penalty
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: and set up a third and six instead of a
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: second and thirteen, Like I do the math in my
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: head what that one?
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 7: Like that it was announced as a third and eight
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: and Paul's yelling.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 16: And six.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: That don't you think there's a difference there like third
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: and six is very manageable. Third, I'm like, right, and
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: then they were going to kick it. Like to me,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: it's just like, I'll tell you what else bothered me
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: about that? And this is not this is not about
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: the Patriots. This is about the officials, which is my
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: favorite thing to make fun of. Why are they just
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: automatically saying that they took the penalty like you got
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: to ask right, right, because then they came back on
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: later they had to respot the ball and then no, no, no,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: the Patriots have opted to decline the penalty. Well maybe
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: ask next next time? Will you like it?
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: When you see the reflicate the sidelines, you're like, they
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: give that little.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: I don't mind if you do that, but don't don't
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: announce the penalty. Mark the yardage off. Then go check
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: with the coach and see if he wants it, which
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: is what happened.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: All right, one more call than a show. It's Melvin
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: and Texas.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: What's up?
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: Melvin?
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 16: Hey, so correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm out
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 16: of market, so I didn't need the game, but I
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 16: heard the caster say that Baker had lined up, and
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 16: I was just wondering, how did Baker create any separation
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 16: when he was in, and also, how did Kayden Wallace
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 16: do a little bit of time that he was in?
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Melvin Javon.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 7: Baker played like a small handful of snaps that I
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 7: would not. I think he ran like two routes.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I think they ran the ball.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think he played six plays and I think most
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: of those were running.
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  Speaker 2: My my take with Wallace is I thought he did
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  Speaker 2: pretty well when he was in as that extra lineman.
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  Speaker 3: What five plays?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he does he did well, and but I
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: don't think he did well when he had to come
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: in after Low came out.
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  Speaker 7: So they, uh, they clearly trust him to run block.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 7: That's why he's the tackle eligible or they called it
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 7: a muscle tight end, muscle tight, muscle tight, but they
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 7: don't trust him.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: Heart was the muscle tight end.
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  Speaker 2: But why can't we just create it an eligible tackle.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: That's what he wants, muscle tight.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 7: I heard muscle tight end and I liked it that.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: But he didn't. Yeah, I mean part of it was
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: the way the game unfolded. They didn't get to do
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: it as much as they did. He played eleven plays,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: but some of those were as a left tackle. Yea,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: so maybe eight yeah.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: Them Thursday night.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: I bet this this could be his coming out party
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: for it coming out not all right, that's gonna be
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: tomorrow at noon, and we'll have to do picks tomorrow
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: because of the Thursday game and the team traveling. Uh
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: so we won't care.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: We're gonna do it a little earlier in the show
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: that we normally do because yeah, Evan and Fred need
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: to to jet.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: Catch twenty two this four four to six today, Yeah,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: four to six today.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: Don't go nowhere, right, keep the stream going, especially you
• 2:00:08
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