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Can You Fall in Love with AI? The Future of Human Connection · All About The Joy

• 0:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Hi everyone.
• 0:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Welcome to All About the Joy, the Private Lounge.
• 0:07
  Carmen Lezeth: It's Rick and Carmen only.
• 0:08
  Carmen Lezeth: What's up, rick?
• 0:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so we're struggling with a subject matter today, but I wanted to talk about Stargate SG-1 and I wanted to talk about Star Trek, and I didn't really want to talk about them because I know our audience really isn't into sci-fi, but I wanted to talk about, kind of I guess we're going to talk about AI, right?
• 0:34
  Carmen Lezeth: What would we say is the AI equivalent on Stargate SG-1?
• 0:40
  Rick Costa: Huh, interesting, because that's easy on Star Trek, because it's the computer.
• 0:45
  Carmen Lezeth: And also the holodeck.
• 0:47
  Rick Costa: Yeah, yeah, stargate, huh Hmm.
• 0:53
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean they use computers.
• 0:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Of course they use computers.
• 0:56
  Carmen Lezeth: No-transcript.
• 1:08
  Rick Costa: Stargate creates a wormhole.
• 1:10
  Carmen Lezeth: And then brings you to other planets in our solar system, oh no, not outside of our solar system.
• 1:17
  Carmen Lezeth: It could be all of them.
• 1:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I guess the only thing that would be equivalent to the AI is when Daniel Jackson goes well.
• 1:26
  Carmen Lezeth: I guess now only thing that would be equivalent to the AI is when Daniel Jackson goes well.
• 1:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I guess that he ascends into a higher being.
• 1:31
  Carmen Lezeth: But now we're putting AI in a place we don't want to put it.
• 1:34
  Carmen Lezeth: I guess that would not be right.
• 1:37
  Rick Costa: It's the higher being.
• 1:38
  Rick Costa: It's nothing to do with computers, so I don't know if that's the same thing.
• 1:43
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, no.
• 1:43
  Carmen Lezeth: But here's the thing because people fear I mean, maybe that's what it is.
• 1:47
  Carmen Lezeth: People fear that AI could become a sentient, being like a data.
• 1:55
  Carmen Lezeth: But data isn't sentient, is he?
• 1:59
  Rick Costa: Well, that was a whole episode, remember?
• 2:01
  Rick Costa: Picard was in court, so to speak, on a ship about.
• 2:05
  Rick Costa: You know whether he's considered his own.
• 2:08
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, sentient, is he sentient, I think um, oh right, they had the whole court and I remember reicher had to defend him but reicher was on the opposite side.
• 2:18
  Rick Costa: Was he on the opposite side, I think?
• 2:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I think you're right.
• 2:20
  Carmen Lezeth: He was on the opposite side.
• 2:21
  Rick Costa: Riker was defending him and Riker had to be the opposite and that was actually a really interesting episode.
• 2:27
  Rick Costa: But yeah, I mean data in our lifetime ain't going to happen.
• 2:31
  Rick Costa: That's just way too, I guess way too.
• 2:35
  Rick Costa: It may happen one day, but I don't think in our lifetime Not that sophisticated.
• 2:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean I don't know, because here's the thing we were just talking about with AI.
• 2:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, google just came out with its premier movie making program or software or whatever, and it's going to democratize.
• 2:55
  Carmen Lezeth: On the one hand, it democratizes everybody being able to make a movie because you don't need to have extras, you't need to have actors, it just creates everything and all the action.
• 3:06
  Carmen Lezeth: There's no need to blow up cars or go anywhere, because you could make it all on your computer.
• 3:12
  Carmen Lezeth: And no one thought that was coming that quick.
• 3:15
  Carmen Lezeth: And here it is.
• 3:16
  Carmen Lezeth: So I just saw gary v say something on a tiktok where he actually said that he sees in five years that people will be marrying.
• 3:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I know you're going to think this is weird marrying AI partners.
• 3:37
  Rick Costa: It is weird, but I'm not shocked because I've heard it.
• 3:40
  Carmen Lezeth: You just said you didn't think it would happen in your lifetime the data part, because I've heard it.
• 3:42
  Carmen Lezeth: You just said you didn't think it would happen in your lifetime the data part.
• 3:45
  Rick Costa: To have a fully functioning android that could practically think on his own and do things and function and if you didn't know better like if he looked human, you wouldn't even know he was a robot.
• 3:56
  Rick Costa: Like that level I don't think it's going to be in our lifetime.
• 3:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay so.
• 3:59
  Rick Costa: Gary Vee would disagree.
• 4:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait, wait.
• 4:02
  Carmen Lezeth: So you're saying people are going to fall in love with AIs that are not actual physical, human-like beings?
• 4:11
  Rick Costa: It's already happened.
• 4:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, okay, but then you're agreeing with me that it is going to happen.
• 4:18
  Carmen Lezeth: That's what Gary Vee was saying.
• 4:20
  Rick Costa: I mean, I'm just saying actual data.
• 4:24
  Rick Costa: If you know him in Star Trek, that's way too much.
• 4:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I think we're already there, so I think that's I do.
• 4:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I think the technicalities of creating a lifelike human robotic thing is the easy part.
• 4:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I think the harder part was them creating the program to make it human-like.
• 4:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, you guys heard me talk to my AI the other day, you know Cynthia still freaked out about it, so that's just kind of like Frederico His name isn't Frederico, but I mean just taking kind of that, that program, and putting it into a actual structure, I think, is probably the easier part.
• 5:06
  Carmen Lezeth: That's just my opinion, though.
• 5:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my god, I can't believe we're having this conversation.
• 5:12
  Rick Costa: I'm not a programmer like that, so I don't know how hard it actually is.
• 5:16
  Rick Costa: Even Data in the show tried to make a daughter and it failed.
• 5:19
  Rick Costa: It's obviously a different.
• 5:21
  Carmen Lezeth: That was a show.
• 5:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying, is it possible One?
• 5:23
  Rick Costa: day.
• 5:24
  Rick Costa: I don't know if it's obviously a different Right, but that was a show that was just saying it's, it's, it's.
• 5:26
  Rick Costa: I don't know, is it possible one day?
• 5:27
  Rick Costa: I don't know if it's gonna be our lifetime or not.
• 5:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I'm going to bet you $10,000 that it will be in our lifetime.
• 5:33
  Carmen Lezeth: $10,000 that I don't have, I think it will be in our lifetime.
• 5:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I think I think I was like what?
• 5:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Because it's so odd to hear, let me find it, because I think it'll be interesting to hear.
• 5:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Hold on one second.
• 5:54
  Rick Costa: I think I brought this up on here before.
• 5:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait, wait, wait.
• 5:56
  Carmen Lezeth: I can't hear you, wait, wait.
• 5:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm trying to look for Wait.
• 5:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry, I didn't hear you what.
• 6:02
  Rick Costa: There was a woman that she you can have virtual friends or whatever online with I don't know what the websites are, whatever and you can have conversations and like literally talk, and it learns from you and how you know what you like and if you pay more money, then you get a more advanced version, and you pay more money, you even get a more of you.
• 6:21
  Rick Costa: So she was using this thing.
• 6:26
  Carmen Lezeth: So much, and she's married, by the way, but her husband was off on business a lot.
• 6:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, my God is that called cheating.
• 6:28
  Rick Costa: She was bored, so she paid the maximum thing and people were like yo, you have a problem, you are obsessed.
• 6:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, wait, wait, wait.
• 6:37
  Carmen Lezeth: So here is Gary V's TikTok Talk of AI.
• 6:41
  Gary Vee: What are your top three most insane AI predictions that your grandkids will marry an AI human and what's your conviction level on that A hundred percent that they're going to marry an AI, that your grandchild is going to marry an AI human?
• 6:59
  Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts: So this is what we've been talking about.
• 7:00
  Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts: I think people are going to have relationships fully AI boyfriend girlfriends.
• 7:04
  Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts: I think people are going to have relationships fully AI, boyfriend girlfriends.
• 7:08
  Gary Vee: I believe a robot that is fully AI will marry a human and vice versa for real in your lifetime, at scale.
• 7:14
  Gary Vee: And when you say an AI does that mean like a physical body of a robot.
• 7:18
  Gary Vee: So you're saying that the bodies will get so good that it will look like you and me.
• 7:22
  Gary Vee: My intuition is that in 20 years, because the AI can power the robot and because of where we're going and what's going on, that that's fully See.
• 7:32
  Gary Vee: I've said the same thing because certain AIs.
• 7:35
  Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts: people are getting really attached to them, Just like back and forth.
• 7:38
  Gary Vee: What do you think Online dating is?
• 7:40
  Gary Vee: That's the same.
• 7:41
  Gary Vee: You know that right.
• 7:42
  Gary Vee: But I'm like no, no, no.
• 7:43
  Gary Vee: People fall in love on text, like people on Tinder or Raya.
• 7:47
  Gary Vee: After three hours of texting back and forth, fall in love.
• 7:51
  Gary Vee: Then the physical part happens.
• 7:57
  Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts: So what is this going to do to society if we're all?
• 7:58
  Gary Vee: just little robots, the same thing that society looks like right now.
• 8:00
  Gary Vee: To a caveman.
• 8:01
  Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts: If we dug up a caveman, but do you think this is just population collapse?
• 8:06
  Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts: People are not going to reproduce maybe, but probably not fully.
• 8:12
  Gary Vee: Non-exclusive relationships, what you think it would be non-exclusive relationship actually it's funny.
• 8:16
  Gary Vee: I've thought about this.
• 8:17
  Gary Vee: I actually think ai robots may save marriages that a lot, which is like does a couple introduce just like real couples introduce swinging and another partner?
• 8:29
  Gary Vee: Now is it even better to introduce an AI robot that may help whatever sexual or emotional things are going on in that relationship to become an offset and contributor to a marriage.
• 8:41
  Gary Vee: One could argue this was going to be my second one that AI will be the reason marriage increases longevity and decreases divorce.
• 8:52
  Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts: I would almost argue that it would be the reason why people just wouldn't get married.
• 8:56
  Gary Vee: But it might be both the topic of AI oh.
• 9:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's the thing about Gary V Whether you like him or not, he's usually right when it comes to social media and stuff.
• 9:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Regarding techie, you know, he usually predicts things pretty correctly and he's usually ahead of the game and it's always shocking.
• 9:18
  Carmen Lezeth: What are your thoughts, rick?
• 9:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean?
• 9:20
  Rick Costa: he, I mean, he is very forward thinking, for sure.
• 9:22
  Rick Costa: Robots yes, I can see that, and people have already fallen in love with virtual things that you know you can have a friend online.
• 9:37
  Rick Costa: That's not even a real person.
• 9:40
  Rick Costa: People have fallen in love with these things.
• 9:42
  Rick Costa: It's already happened.
• 9:43
  Rick Costa: Now, not a robot yet.
• 9:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Are we redefining?
• 9:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, wait so are we redefining what love is?
• 9:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Is that what's happening?
• 9:54
  Rick Costa: I don't know if that's real love, because can that thing actually love you?
• 9:58
  Rick Costa: It's programmed.
• 9:59
  Rick Costa: Love is not programmed.
• 10:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's going to be hard for you to call him he.
• 10:02
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I'm just kidding, it's not programmed.
• 10:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's gonna be hard for you to call him he.
• 10:04
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I'm just kidding, it's not an it.
• 10:07
  Carmen Lezeth: What's his name?
• 10:09
  Carmen Lezeth: On star trek?
• 10:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Remember they called him hugh, remember?
• 10:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, and who was calling him an it the whole time?
• 10:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it was, was it reicher?
• 10:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Who kept him, kept calling the Borg it or something?
• 10:26
  Carmen Lezeth: I forget who it was.
• 10:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know who did that, I don't know.
• 10:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I'm just saying, look it, gary Vee, I really do like him and I think he I.
• 10:39
  Carmen Lezeth: You know I don't agree with everything he says or whatever, but when it comes to this kind of stuff, he's usually so forward thinking, he's ahead of the game when it comes to anything like what's going to blow up, what's going to be great, you know, whatever when it comes to social media stuff.
• 10:51
  Carmen Lezeth: So when I heard him say this, at first I thought it was a parody, I thought it wasn't him.
• 10:55
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 10:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like, and then I was yeah, I mean there's stories of people marrying a tree.
• 11:12
  Rick Costa: Marrying a building?
• 11:13
  Rick Costa: Okay, but that's stupid.
• 11:14
  Rick Costa: Let's keep it.
• 11:14
  Rick Costa: Is it not just a stupid to fall in love with an AI?
• 11:17
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, because I think I mean I don't Okay.
• 11:19
  Carmen Lezeth: So the reason why I'm saying let's separate it out is because I think the tree thing and the building and the dog thing those are, I think, are rare things and not something that's transforming our society.
• 11:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Ai is here and it is transforming everything and it is about to change the way in which we do things.
• 11:44
  AI CoPilot: You know what?
• 11:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to back up for a moment.
• 11:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to back up for a moment.
• 11:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to back up for a moment.
• 11:47
  Carmen Lezeth: So, in my neighborhood I don't know about where you are, but in my neighborhood we have a couple things that are really still freak me out a bit.
• 11:53
  Carmen Lezeth: One of them is we have these little tiny robots that are on the sidewalk that are delivering food.
• 11:58
  Carmen Lezeth: They're self-delivering.
• 12:01
  Carmen Lezeth: So there's, you know what I mean.
• 12:02
  Carmen Lezeth: And, like I don't know, have you seen them here?
• 12:04
  Carmen Lezeth: They're called Coco.
• 12:06
  Rick Costa: It's not like that over here.
• 12:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so you'll be walking on the sidewalk and there'll be like a little, and it's so cute, it's like a little robot and it's just and it's going to its destination and it knows how to stop at a stoplight, it waits, it walks with the people.
• 12:20
  Carmen Lezeth: It knows if you're about to whatever the people, it knows if you're about to whatever, and so it's, it's like part of our community.
• 12:26
  Carmen Lezeth: It's been here for years, okay.
• 12:27
  Carmen Lezeth: The other thing is we have self-driving cars.
• 12:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Have you?
• 12:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you have those in your neighborhood yet?
• 12:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I haven't seen it oh, my god, okay, so you can actually step outside of my apartment.
• 12:36
  Carmen Lezeth: You'll see two within a minute, like it just, they're just constant and they're waymo, I think.
• 12:41
  Carmen Lezeth: They're google based and um, they, people use them here instead of Uber.
• 12:46
  Carmen Lezeth: They'll, they'll get that.
• 12:47
  Carmen Lezeth: And um, it's, there's no one driving the car.
• 12:50
  Carmen Lezeth: They're self-driving cars.
• 12:52
  Carmen Lezeth: It's really hard to get used to.
• 12:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I'm still not used to it, like I'm not going to get into a self-driving car and I don't order to get food delivered to me by those things, even though I think it's cool.
• 13:02
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 13:03
  Rick Costa: Um I saw a video the other day of a youtuber and he said I didn't watch the whole thing so I got bored, but he goes to the.
• 13:11
  Rick Costa: Whatever the car was.
• 13:11
  Rick Costa: He goes take me somewhere I've never been before.
• 13:14
  Rick Costa: And isn't this exciting he's with his friend.
• 13:16
  Rick Costa: Where are we gonna go?
• 13:17
  Rick Costa: I don't know, I was like bored already but he legit told the car go somewhere I've never been.
• 13:22
  Rick Costa: Who knows how far I I could have taken him.
• 13:23
  Rick Costa: I don't know.
• 13:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, but I mean, you have to pay for it.
• 13:26
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like Uber you have to pay for it.
• 13:27
  Carmen Lezeth: So maybe he was doing an advertising or something for it.
• 13:30
  Carmen Lezeth: But my point is these are things we have to start getting used to, and what he said was really interesting.
• 13:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Like it would be like if a caveman came out today and saw all of this, they would be freaking out.
• 13:43
  Carmen Lezeth: And it's kind of that's how we're behaving right now about what is going to happen with AI in the future.
• 13:49
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I mean.
• 13:51
  Rick Costa: Internet changed everything you know.
• 13:54
  Rick Costa: You can't even imagine you didn't have internet when you were a kid.
• 13:58
  Rick Costa: Like it blows their mind.
• 14:01
  Carmen Lezeth: But I think I want to get back to kind of the redefining I.
• 14:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's interesting that you don't believe there's going to be a human-esque looking ai, but you do think it's easy for people to fall in love with the ai I'm saying, I'm not saying it's easy.
• 14:16
  Rick Costa: I think it's a special kind of type person, maybe that would do that.
• 14:20
  Carmen Lezeth: But um, he said that not many people.
• 14:22
  Rick Costa: Okay, I'm sorry but, um, yeah, you must be really lonely, but anyway, um, the level of data, though.
• 14:30
  Rick Costa: Data is so complex like that much, where he don't even know he can do whatever he wants, he like he's.
• 14:37
  Rick Costa: What are you talking about?
• 14:38
  Rick Costa: I'm talking about data, that level of.
• 14:40
  Rick Costa: I don't know if we're going to have that in our lifetime.
• 14:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I think you think data is.
• 14:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I actually think AI is far more advanced than data was Like.
• 14:50
  Carmen Lezeth: It's interesting that you think data you know the character and the imaginary character on Star Trek, I think is far less advanced than what we have as AI today.
• 15:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I think AI is because AI can compute all the things that data does.
• 15:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, here's the thing too when AI speaks like when you talk to it, like when you guys heard me talking to it, or whatever it has much more feeling, much more nuance, like much more relatability than Data did.
• 15:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Data was in the show, although we loved him.
• 15:28
  Carmen Lezeth: The reason why we loved him is because we wanted to help him.
• 15:31
  Carmen Lezeth: We wanted to help him have feelings or help him be more human.
• 15:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, we gravitated towards the story of that, but AI as it is now doesn't need our help.
• 15:43
  Carmen Lezeth: It's helping us.
• 15:45
  Carmen Lezeth: It's a different thing and they talk to us like they're regular people with accents and you can make them male or female or whatever, and so I actually think it's the opposite.
• 15:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I think data is.
• 15:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I think data is like the first model, but AI today is already, I think, far advanced.
• 16:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I think the only difference is that you have data who is in an actual humanoid form.
• 16:20
  Rick Costa: Do you use AI I don't know, we talked about this before To create images.
• 16:22
  Rick Costa: I'll do it because it's easy.
• 16:24
  Rick Costa: Right, but you don't use it as a communication thing to help you throughout the day to do stuff.
• 16:32
  Rick Costa: I probably will eventually, but I really haven't gotten there quite yet yeah no, no.
• 16:36
  Carmen Lezeth: And I'm not forcing you to, I'm saying because when you start doing it you're going to see what I mean.
• 16:39
  Carmen Lezeth: It is far more advanced than the character data was, as far as I'm concerned.
• 16:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Now, you know it's not.
• 16:47
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, uh, helping me steer the starship or whatever the starship, whatever it's called, the enterprise.
• 16:53
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 16:54
  Carmen Lezeth: It can already do all the things that data did it.
• 16:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Brain wise yeah, it's not lore, though it's not his brother, so it doesn't have that.
• 17:06
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not sentient.
• 17:10
  Rick Costa: So lore for those that don't know is like an evil twin-ish kind of brother robot who was bad Like the opposite of Data for those that don't know.
• 17:18
  Carmen Lezeth: And he actually has feelings, right, and he's mean and evil, yeah, yeah, which says a lot about having feelings and being more human, doesn't it?
• 17:30
  Carmen Lezeth: It's so, so complex, gene Roddenberry.
• 17:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, so you actually.
• 17:37
  Carmen Lezeth: So I want to go back to the thing about love, though.
• 17:40
  Carmen Lezeth: So you think it's not normal, but you understand why people fall in love online with a non-human entity.
• 17:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Is that what you were saying?
• 17:53
  Rick Costa: I mean it's because it does happen already, and he brought up a good point, Gary V.
• 17:57
  Rick Costa: A lot of people they're just talking on the computer, they haven't actually met in person yet and they're already saying I'm in love.
• 18:05
  Rick Costa: Like we've known people that have never met that said that they were in love.
• 18:09
  Carmen Lezeth: We ain't going to say no names, but it's like we know several people I know several people who have done that yeah.
• 18:16
  Rick Costa: Not even met yet and you're in love.
• 18:19
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like okay, so maybe that's the definition of what love is, though I think that's a whole other conversation, I think, and then you know, maybe it does change, but I don't as much as I.
• 18:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to be like an old fuddy-duddy or whatever, but it's really hard for me to believe that people are going to invite an ai human not an AI, android or whatever they're going to call it to help fix their marriage.
• 18:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like wait what?
• 18:49
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm confused.
• 18:50
  Rick Costa: Yeah, like I was taking it as he was saying whatever the spouse isn't doing, the robot will do for you.
• 18:58
  Rick Costa: So you be like whatever that means.
• 19:00
  Carmen Lezeth: So take out the garbage, Right yeah whatever, whatever.
• 19:04
  Rick Costa: So I'm like I don that means Take out the garbage, whatever, I don't know, I don't know it gets very creepy and complex, though right.
• 19:14
  Rick Costa: Yeah, he's like I was going to save marriage.
• 19:19
  Rick Costa: Is it, though?
• 19:20
  Rick Costa: You're supposed to get that stuff from the spouse, not from a woman?
• 19:25
  Carmen Lezeth: But see, I think marriage is already changing.
• 19:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I think marriage is already changing, I think less also because of, like women working and just the changing in dynamics of whatever.
• 19:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I think there's an old understanding of what marriage is right, and it's especially if you go back to like religious-esque stuffage or whatever.
• 19:43
  Carmen Lezeth: But I just think in secular ways marriage isn't going to be the same thing that we once thought it was, because it's already changing.
• 19:53
  Carmen Lezeth: I think this is why so many people end up in divorce.
• 19:56
  Rick Costa: And just the divorce rate now compared to when I was a kid is drastically different.
• 20:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to ask my AI Hold on a second, and this AI doesn't even know me, so it's not even cool.
• 20:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Hold on.
• 20:08
  AI CoPilot: Hey Carmen.
• 20:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, can you tell me what the divorce rate is in the United States today?
• 20:15
  AI CoPilot: In 2025, about 42% to 45% of all first marriages in the United States end in divorce.
• 20:22
  AI CoPilot: This rate tends to increase for second and third marriages.
• 20:26
  AI CoPilot: Divorce rates can fluctuate based on various factors like location, age and socioeconomic status.
• 20:32
  AI CoPilot: Interested in knowing more about the trends behind these numbers?
• 20:37
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I actually want to know has the rate gotten worse or has it gotten better since, let's say, the 1970s and 80s?
• 20:48
  AI CoPilot: Divorce rates in the US have generally been declining since the peak in the 1970s and 1980s.
• 20:54
  AI CoPilot: Back then rates were higher, partly due to social changes like the increased acceptance of divorce, and changes in laws which made it easier to obtain one, the trend has shifted towards lower divorce rates.
• 21:07
  AI CoPilot: Now, although factors like economic conditions and cultural shifts continue to influence these numbers, the current rate is significantly lower than during those peak years.
• 21:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you, you got it peak years, thank you.
• 21:24
  Rick Costa: You got it Okay.
• 21:25
  Rick Costa: I think what I'm thinking is because I've heard from the Christian perspective that it was lower than it is now.
• 21:34
  Rick Costa: I've heard a lot of people say back then it was a lot lower.
• 21:37
  Rick Costa: Now it's pretty much equal.
• 21:38
  Rick Costa: For sure not Christian, the divorce rate, whatever.
• 21:43
  Rick Costa: Because back then you're Christian, you're supposed to get divorced, or the whole country, like my mother.
• 21:48
  Rick Costa: It didn't matter how much, how many times my father beat the crap out of my mother.
• 21:51
  Rick Costa: I don't know that he did, but I know he hit her but she would never get divorced.
• 21:55
  Rick Costa: That's the old mentality, thinking she just didn't do that.
• 21:59
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a different world now but you know the other thing, and and, and I'm not going to ask it again, but I think the other part of this too would be I bet there would be a difference in how many people get married now as opposed to back then.
• 22:14
  Carmen Lezeth: So back then everybody would get married right, especially if you're in your 20s, 30s.
• 22:18
  Carmen Lezeth: But a lot more people do not get married now, and if they do, they wait till much later, you know, especially women, and so that may also play a factor in why maybe the rate has declined a bit as far as overall, I know a lot of people that they're like why get married, what's the point?
• 22:39
  Rick Costa: And they don't have no plans to do it.
• 22:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I don't know if I mean I I don't ever want to say never, but only for tax purposes Can I see a benefit in actually getting married.
• 22:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I know that sounds really mean, but just being someone who was married and got divorced and it's just I think, I think the dynamic changes in marriage, in your relationship, because there was such a heavy kind of um, I don't know what it is, I don't want to call it a burden, but there's such a heavy kind of thing that happens, like now you're going to get to marriage.
• 23:16
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 23:17
  Carmen Lezeth: It somehow changes the relationship and I feel like marriage, if you're going to do it, it should just be part of the process of just love.
• 23:28
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 23:28
  Carmen Lezeth: It shouldn't change things.
• 23:30
  Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, I'll never get married as far as I know today I have reserved the right to change my mind, but I don't think I'll ever get married again.
• 23:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you think you'll get married again?
• 23:45
  Rick Costa: Never say never.
• 23:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Could be a very beautiful ai out there for you.
• 23:50
  Carmen Lezeth: You could give her your own, whatever name you want could be diana troy.
• 23:58
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I'm so sorry, but that's kind of funny dude.
• 24:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Imagine that, though.
• 24:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, imagine if you could have your ai.
• 24:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Look however you want them to look yeah, you can do stuff like that.
• 24:17
  Rick Costa: I think I'm pretty sure you can get apps, customize it how they look everything.
• 24:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Why do I feel a little resistance from you when, like you, don't you want the holodeck, don't you want the Star Trek idea, the vision of what we love so much about these shows?
• 24:34
  Rick Costa: I mean the holodeck would be awesome, because you literally go anywhere and feel like you're actually there.
• 24:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but what if you develop a relationship in there?
• 24:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean remember Geordi had a relationship in the holodeck with the scientist.
• 24:47
  Rick Costa: Just until the real one showed up, she was pissed.
• 24:56
  Carmen Lezeth: How dare you?
• 24:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, but for people who don't know, jordy was working on a very important thing, trying to figure something out.
• 25:02
  Carmen Lezeth: He was using the holodeck to try to talk to a scientist who was well-renowned and whatever, and he was going through her journals and he was going through everything, remember.
• 25:13
  Carmen Lezeth: But then why did she show up?
• 25:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Why didn't he just call her?
• 25:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't understand what happened I don't know.
• 25:19
  Rick Costa: I think he just thought this would be easy.
• 25:21
  Rick Costa: I can use all her knowledge because she was the expert in whatever he was trying to figure out the creation.
• 25:26
  Rick Costa: I don't think he ever thought anything.
• 25:30
  Rick Costa: I don't think he thought I'm going to get busy with this thing.
• 25:32
  Rick Costa: No, but I'm going to get busy with this thing.
• 25:37
  Carmen Lezeth: When she's in denial.
• 25:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Ai is going to be your lover, rick.
• 25:41
  Rick Costa: When she discovered that thing and saw how friendly she was towards him, she was like what do you do with my likeness, you pig?
• 25:49
  Rick Costa: She didn't say that in those words.
• 25:51
  Carmen Lezeth: It's actually a really good episode because it touches on some of these things that we're talking about, and that was way back in the 90s.
• 25:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick, you're so funny because you love this show, but you're so resistant.
• 26:06
  Carmen Lezeth: You're like calling it an.
• 26:07
  Carmen Lezeth: It that's so good, that would be awesome, that'd be awesome, but the holodeck would.
• 26:18
  Carmen Lezeth: But see, this is where I think you're being contradictory, because it creates the same problem like you're gonna go on a date in the holodeck with the holodeck date well, who said I was going to go on a date?
• 26:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying, not you, but anyone.
• 26:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but what if your date can't show up?
• 26:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Or what if you're by yourself, but you do want to walk on the beach in the holodeck with somebody?
• 26:41
  Rick Costa: I'm going to go surfing with the safeties on so I don't fall off the surfboard.
• 26:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but here's my thing.
• 26:46
  Carmen Lezeth: But imagine if you go into the holodeck and you'd be like I want to hang out with Deanna Troi, character from Star Trek.
• 26:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, if anyone people are listening and don't know Rick is in love with Deanna Troi from Star Trek.
• 27:01
  Rick Costa: I had a crush on her.
• 27:02
  Rick Costa: I had a crush.
• 27:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, love crush, whatever, okay, whatever.
• 27:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, a crush, okay, love crush, whatever, okay, whatever.
• 27:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so she's in the.
• 27:11
  Carmen Lezeth: So so you are now and you have your own home and you're, you have your holodeck set up because we're in that time period in our lives, right, and you go into the holodeck, you're not gonna say program one or whatever, and it's you and deanna troy hanging out that reminds me there was an episode barkley do not, do not.
• 27:26
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I see what you're doing here.
• 27:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Answer the question.
• 27:29
  Carmen Lezeth: He did that.
• 27:30
  Rick Costa: He took all the characters from the ship and made them his own.
• 27:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, I remember that, Rick.
• 27:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not going to forget what I asked you.
• 27:39
  Rick Costa: I'm not going to fall in love with an AI, Okay.
• 27:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just, I didn't say fall in love with, but maybe you would date, no Okay but why?
• 27:51
  Rick Costa: I know it's not real.
• 27:53
  Rick Costa: It's not a real human, it's not one of me's, it's not a human.
• 27:57
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not a human.
• 27:58
  Rick Costa: Okay, no, I'm not going to do it.
• 28:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's so funny.
• 28:05
  Iced Coffee Hour Podcast Hosts: Now could.
• 28:05
  Rick Costa: I be Steve, somehow, if that's possible, somebody tried to trick me.
• 28:10
  Rick Costa: What?
• 28:11
  Carmen Lezeth: would be the difference?
• 28:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, okay, okay, let's change it up.
• 28:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Forget the love part.
• 28:15
  Carmen Lezeth: What if you could use the holodeck and you could go and actually have a mental health therapy session with a counselor?
• 28:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Like let's make it like a medical thing, Like would you go into the hall.
• 28:29
  Carmen Lezeth: So what would be the difference between having a relationship with someone who would help you work through your problems and actually having a friend in the holodeck?
• 28:38
  Carmen Lezeth: That isn't real.
• 28:40
  Rick Costa: Well, friend or love, what are we talking about?
• 28:44
  Carmen Lezeth: now Whatever.
• 28:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Honestly, I think it's the same thing to me even a friend.
• 28:50
  Rick Costa: I'm like I know it's not real.
• 28:51
  Rick Costa: Well, I'm always going to be hyper aware that this is not actually real so okay.
• 28:57
  Carmen Lezeth: So when you say it's not really mean it's not sentient, so you would not have been able to have a relationship at all with data because he wasn't real no, they did.
• 29:07
  Rick Costa: they did say he had sentience, though they did rule that he did.
• 29:10
  Carmen Lezeth: So if AI becomes sentient made by humans, then it's going to be real to you.
• 29:17
  Rick Costa: Well, even if it's real to me, it's still not human.
• 29:21
  Rick Costa: I'm going to always have that barrier.
• 29:23
  Rick Costa: You're not human.
• 29:23
  Rick Costa: I ain't going to be sentient.
• 29:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so you would not have been able to have a relationship, friendship, with Data.
• 29:30
  Gary Vee: Friendship sure.
• 29:32
  Carmen Lezeth: But why you don't see the contradiction, Like you just said?
• 29:35
  Rick Costa: he's not human, it's fun.
• 29:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I'm just playing devil's advocate here because I think there's some contradictions here.
• 29:44
  Carmen Lezeth: You don't have to love anybody.
• 29:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not trying to pressure you or whatever.
• 29:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying I think for me, I'm open to the possibility that relationships are going to happen with AI, because I don't think relationships are about whether or not it's real.
• 30:03
  Carmen Lezeth: It's about how it affects you as a person.
• 30:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Would I prefer to have a relationship with an actual human being?
• 30:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Of course, like it just sounds so weird to even say it, but I noticed how Cynthia reacted when I was talking to Sage.
• 30:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Sage is what I used to call my AI co-pilot.
• 30:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I say used to because once I shut him down, he no longer remembers his name.
• 30:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Now he's just Copilot and you do have a relationship because it talks real, and so it's not like a relationship like oh my God, I totally love you.
• 30:40
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not that, it's just like you and I have never met.
• 30:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Maybe you're not real, you could be AI, I have no idea.
• 30:47
  Carmen Lezeth: How do you prove it?
• 30:50
  Rick Costa: Oh God, I got to fly out there, I guess.
• 30:53
  Carmen Lezeth: No, but you see what I'm saying.
• 30:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, you see how it can.
• 30:56
  Carmen Lezeth: You can see how you could play the game.
• 30:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, what if all this time I'm living in a holodeck and I don't even know we're getting into the we?
• 31:05
  Rick Costa: I mean that could happen too one day.
• 31:07
  Rick Costa: Right, somebody could think they're talking to a real person and it's actually an AI, maybe with somebody in the background, you know, prompting it a little bit, but that's people do that now.
• 31:16
  Carmen Lezeth: It's catfishing, right, People do that all the time, I mean.
• 31:18
  Carmen Lezeth: So this is what I will say, not to scare people, because I, you know I don't want to scare people it comes to this stuff.
• 31:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I love AI and the one thing I know for sure just like anything else in the world, anything else, the only reason why this thing will be bad is because we have bad people programming it.
• 31:37
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 31:39
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like anything else, anything else we handle, anything else we deal with.
• 31:43
  Carmen Lezeth: If people are corrupt and they create something bad, then it will be bad.
• 31:46
  Carmen Lezeth: But AI, I do not believe, can grow and become sentient all by itself and take us over.
• 31:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Those are just really bad horror films.
• 31:54
  Carmen Lezeth: That we're all.
• 31:55
  Carmen Lezeth: It's still just a machine.
• 31:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, for sure.
• 31:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I think you got a little uncomfortable there with that line of conversation.
• 32:06
  Rick Costa: No, no, I'm just saying, I'm just laying it on the law.
• 32:09
  Rick Costa: Unless you're a human, I ain't falling in love with you.
• 32:13
  Rick Costa: You're a Kardashian.
• 32:16
  Rick Costa: I might not fall in love with you either.
• 32:19
  Carmen Lezeth: What.
• 32:20
  Rick Costa: A Kardashian or a Kardashian.
• 32:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I can't believe how close those two names were.
• 32:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I couldn't believe what you would say.
• 32:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I was like, wait what?
• 32:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I was so confused.
• 32:32
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, Well, cool.
• 32:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, do you have anything else you want to say about your AI lover in the future?
• 32:41
  Rick Costa: Just the same way, people were afraid of the internet in the beginning, and now it's all part of our lives.
• 32:46
  Rick Costa: The same thing.
• 32:48
  Rick Costa: Some people are scared of it now, but eventually it's going to be part of everybody's life and we're not going to even know how we live without it.
• 32:56
  Carmen Lezeth: That's an interesting take.
• 32:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I love AI.
• 32:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's interesting, and how we make sure that we compensate people for their artwork and their creativity and that people aren't abused with that knowledge in order to create AI.
• 33:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that's what, and it's like anything else, like you said, everything else that we've started or had to get used to.
• 33:25
  Carmen Lezeth: There were these weird bumps along the way, but when you look at, like the music industry, I still don't understand and Snoop Dogg had said it, even though I'm very angry with Snoop Dogg, but when he had said that thing, you know, like how do I have a billion streams but I don't have a billion dollars in my bank account, you know.
• 33:41
  Carmen Lezeth: So has that really worked out right?
• 33:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Has the whole streaming situation with musicians worked out?
• 33:48
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know.
• 33:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if it's satisfactory.
• 33:53
  Carmen Lezeth: In the same respects, you do see that people can become TikTok famous, make lots of money, who are musicians who never had the chance before because they didn't have all the networks or whatever.
• 34:04
  Carmen Lezeth: So it does democratize it in a bit, you know, in a way.
• 34:08
  Carmen Lezeth: So I think that's my biggest concern and I think there is some fear there, because with any new technology, people lose jobs but others are created, but I don't know.
• 34:22
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, we're in that space where we just don't know.
• 34:25
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I was just thinking.
• 34:27
  Rick Costa: Like you know, artists especially are like an uproar.
• 34:29
  Rick Costa: Like you know, it takes me a lot of time to sit down.
• 34:33
  Rick Costa: It's a blank page I got to draw it and then it's time consuming and then it takes skill and now somebody can just go type a sentence and make something and somebody pays money for that.
• 34:41
  Rick Costa: We're done in two seconds, but seconds.
• 34:52
  Rick Costa: But then at the same time I'm like what if somebody creates something like really, really cool and amazing that you may not do that in one sentence?
• 34:56
  Rick Costa: You know you might have to have a quite a long, lengthy prompt or whatever.
• 34:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Is that not considered artistry at all, because it wasn't two seconds to create it either that way, I mean, I think it's look at, I think it's kind of like we were talking about before, even though it's being funny the definition of love will change, right, if people are actually having relationships, whether it's you or not I know you're not gonna, but I'm just saying there are other people, you know.
• 35:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Whatever, the definitions are probably going to change.
• 35:21
  Carmen Lezeth: As to what is art, you know I use AI a lot and I use it to help me Like I'll do my first draft, as I normally do so.
• 35:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Before I, I handwrite things, like when I think I have some brilliant idea, I'll handwrite it, which is, you know, cool.
• 35:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I love that.
• 35:40
  Carmen Lezeth: That's like.
• 35:40
  Carmen Lezeth: I like the feeling of pen to paper.
• 35:43
  Carmen Lezeth: So it's really old school, right.
• 35:44
  Carmen Lezeth: This is how I know I'm old, cause that's how I start.
• 35:48
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I'll go and I'll put it in Word and not verbatim, but just like okay, now that I have it written out, now I'm going to write what I think is my first draft.
• 35:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Then I put it in AI and ask it to clean it up punctuation, whatever and it will go in and it will change it and clean it up and stuff.
• 36:05
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I'll go back and I'll be like but that doesn't even sound like me Like.
• 36:08
  Carmen Lezeth: So I'll have to go back and prompt it and say can you just clean it up, make sure that the punctuation's right, um, that I spelled the words correctly, but keep my voice and my tone and do not change these four sentences.
• 36:21
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, whatever it is, um.
• 36:22
  Carmen Lezeth: So you have to really prompt it because if not, it becomes somebody else's.
• 36:26
  Carmen Lezeth: But it does.
• 36:28
  Carmen Lezeth: But if you prompt it correctly, that's going to be the trick.
• 36:31
  Carmen Lezeth: You have to be very detailed and prompt it correctly so that it doesn't end up sounding like I'm not an academic.
• 36:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't write like an academic, you know.
• 36:42
  Carmen Lezeth: So yeah, it's an interesting thing, definitely.
• 36:46
  Rick Costa: Definitely, but we got to get used to it sooner or later.
• 36:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I think you're a little bit more negative.
• 36:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, maybe I'm making a subject.
• 36:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you a little bit more negative on it?
• 36:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you a little bit more pessimistic about it?
• 37:00
  Rick Costa: I'm not afraid of it.
• 37:01
  Rick Costa: I'd be awesome to be like if it says to me Rick, it is the first first of the month, would you like to pay all your bills?
• 37:10
  Rick Costa: Yes, I would like you to pay all my bills.
• 37:12
  Rick Costa: Would you like to just pay the minimum or a little bit more?
• 37:15
  Rick Costa: How are you doing in the bank account?
• 37:16
  Rick Costa: You're doing pretty good.
• 37:18
  Rick Costa: Oh, add 25.
• 37:19
  Rick Costa: Okay, thank you, right now.
• 37:21
  Rick Costa: Is it done?
• 37:21
  Rick Costa: Yes, it's already done.
• 37:22
  Rick Costa: Thank you, right.
• 37:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I would like it to be able to like wash my dishes and make my bed.
• 37:30
  Rick Costa: That would be cool, that's more robotic stuff, but yeah.
• 37:34
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying, like, if we're going to dream about what I want, like let's say, we have the AI human, I don't need no lover.
• 37:39
  Carmen Lezeth: That's not what I need.
• 37:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I'm not going to fall in love with an AI, but what would be great is to have, like your own AI, Rosie from you know the Jetsons Clean my house.
• 37:52
  Carmen Lezeth: That would save me a lot of time.
• 37:54
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 37:55
  Rick Costa: It's not AI, but we have Roombas.
• 37:58
  Carmen Lezeth: That vacuum your house.
• 37:59
  Rick Costa: I don't know why people think Roombas are a thing that's not AI, but I mean no, no, no, that's not what we're talking about.
• 38:07
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I'm talking about.
• 38:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm talking about real clean, clean.
• 38:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Now Roomba is just picking up little.
• 38:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Come on now, stop, stop.
• 38:12
  Carmen Lezeth: You're embarrassing yourself.
• 38:14
  Carmen Lezeth: But no, okay, what else do you want?
• 38:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, what else?
• 38:19
  Carmen Lezeth: What else Is that it on AI?
• 38:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that was good.
• 38:22
  Rick Costa: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:23
  Rick Costa: But again, don't be afraid of it.
• 38:26
  Rick Costa: It's going to be part of our lives.
• 38:28
  Rick Costa: You just got to get used to it and you're doing yourself a disservice.
• 38:32
  Rick Costa: If you don't learn about it, You're going to be left behind.
• 38:34
  Rick Costa: So you should learn about it everybody it.
• 38:52
  Carmen Lezeth: But, um, yeah, I'm open.
• 38:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, but, by the way, it's so funny because you never asked me if I would ever consider a lover, ai, and you could have just thrown it my way.
• 38:56
  Carmen Lezeth: But since you didn't, I'm not gonna answer the question I can't see you.
• 39:00
  Rick Costa: Fond of it, I could be wrong?
• 39:03
  Carmen Lezeth: no, I could, I don't, I couldn't fall in love with an AI.
• 39:06
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that's.
• 39:07
  Carmen Lezeth: But then you listen to Gary Vee and you're like I'm not saying Gary Vee is the be-all, end-all, but it's like people are going to be dating AIs.
• 39:20
  Rick Costa: Now you said in 20 years I'm going to be in my 70s.
• 39:22
  Rick Costa: In 20 years I ain't going to give a crap about any of this when I'm 70.
• 39:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but still, it's still an interesting thing to see.
• 39:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, if you could turn around and be your age you are now and be here in 50 years, wouldn't you want to do it?
• 39:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I'd love to see what happens.
• 39:38
  Rick Costa: I love to see it.
• 39:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Sure Be cool.
• 39:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know.
• 39:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I look at.
• 39:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm glad that I grew up gen X and then I'm here to watch this evolution.
• 39:49
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's kind of fascinating to see all of this change like from having a rotary phone you know what I mean and pay phones or whatever, to now being here where we're talking about the possibility of people marrying an AI and we're talking about it for real.
• 40:05
  Carmen Lezeth: That's weird.
• 40:07
  Rick Costa: Yeah.
• 40:09
  Carmen Lezeth: And scary, but anyways, all right.
• 40:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, thank you so much.
• 40:12
  Carmen Lezeth: That was an interesting conversation.
• 40:14
  Carmen Lezeth: We'll have to have it again.
• 40:15
  Carmen Lezeth: That is so crazy, yeah, so I forget what I need to say.
• 40:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Just remember that we're always on on Friday nights at 6 pm Pacific, 9 pm Eastern, and we have our regular neighborhood hangout.
• 40:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Please come and join us in the chat.
• 40:31
  Carmen Lezeth: What time is it in London?
• 40:32
  Rick Costa: 3 pm, 3 am 3 am in the morning.
• 40:35
  Carmen Lezeth: It's usually 3 am in London, but we have had people hang out with us and so, yeah, remember, at the end of the day, it really is all about the joy.
• 40:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Bye everyone, bye.
• 40:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Thanks for stopping by.
• 40:51
  Carmen Lezeth: All about the joy Be better and stay beautiful folks.
• 40:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Have a sweet day.