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Patriots Unfiltered 9/3: Mike Vrabel Media Availability, Latest News, Pats Week 1 Predictions · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Reading the stars.
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  Speaker 2: Alex is just reading the stars. We got a shoe
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  Speaker 2: house for three and post game shows, beats in the booth,
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  Speaker 2: making everything. We're all pretty stoked about Rabel and Meg and.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody still Peyton, no Christian.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it's a brand Peal season past.
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  Speaker 1: the week.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome. I don't see it tally later. Our camera's on
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  Speaker 2: there we go. All right, all right, what's going on?
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  Speaker 5: Remember back in the old days when you would forget
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  Speaker 5: to put your mic on?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, put your mic on Rat, put your mic
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  Speaker 2: on Fred.
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  Speaker 5: Who was that kid to gender to gender Daniel to
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  Speaker 5: gender fit in?
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  Speaker 2: Well today anyway, Jesus, all right, it is Wednesday, first
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday show off the regular. It is Wednesday here at
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  Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium, and we're back to three days a week.
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  Speaker 2: In case you haven't noticed, Uh, it's Paul, it's Deuce,
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  Speaker 2: it's me. Evan will be by later because he's going
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  Speaker 2: to where.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think he just did two hours of radio
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  Speaker 6: and we all felt we'd save everybody from another two
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  Speaker 6: hours of joking.
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  Speaker 5: That's probably a reason.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great one. He's gonna do a little Rabel.
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  Speaker 7: He's gonna we're gonna do the locker room and.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna go to Rabel to live. Everybody comes on.
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  Speaker 6: Then I'll go to the locker room. He'll be come in,
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  Speaker 6: he'll come in after practice. I'll report, so you know,
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  Speaker 6: there'll be some comings and goings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of movement, a lot of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of moving, moving stuff going on in today's show.
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  Speaker 2: But here we are talking about week one. We kicked
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  Speaker 2: it off yesterday, a lively show. Very are you excited?
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  Speaker 2: Raiders coming to town? One o'clock tilt here at Jilette Stadium.
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  Speaker 2: Weather's going to be beautiful.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it looked a little gray. I checked the forecast.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's a little rainy.
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  Speaker 7: But see was supposed to be really nice, but perhaps
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  Speaker 7: perhaps wrong, you know, you know, New England, Paul, though
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  Speaker 7: the weather changes.
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  Speaker 5: If you don't like it, just wait a minute.
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  Speaker 7: Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Patriot's still favored by about.
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  Speaker 5: And a half till last I checked, was that.
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  Speaker 2: Moved it all from the beginning. Was it three? Was it?
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  Speaker 2: Has it gone up?
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  Speaker 5: I do not know the answer to that question.
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  Speaker 7: No, let's see.
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  Speaker 6: I mean maybe today after see some of the first
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  Speaker 6: injury report of the year, so perhaps that I.
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  Speaker 2: Think you'll lose that half point because Gonzo was a
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  Speaker 2: question I think.
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  Speaker 5: Could be you get three. Speaking of Gonzo, Yes, I
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  Speaker 5: started to think a little bit about Fred's sort of subterfuge,
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  Speaker 5: the ruse if you will, what if the what if
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  Speaker 5: we see him? Do you think there's a chance you
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  Speaker 5: see him on the practice field today, like when we
• 3:00
  Speaker 5: get the injury report at four o'clock or so or
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  Speaker 5: whenever it comes out it' says Christian Gonzales Limited Limited. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: do you think there's a chance of that?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: Well, and if so, okay, would that be your subterfuge?
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  Speaker 5: Like the other way, like we're not going to hold
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  Speaker 5: him out to make the Raiders think he's not playing.
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  Speaker 7: We're going to have We're going to have.
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  Speaker 5: Practicing a little bit so the media sees him to
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  Speaker 5: make the Raiders think he is playing. Right like that
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  Speaker 5: at least that's where the subterfuge comes in and Fred's there,
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  Speaker 5: But maybe on the other side.
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  Speaker 2: Of it, I would be more leaning to that. If
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  Speaker 2: today wasn't a day in pads, they're going to be
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  Speaker 2: in pads. You know, you really going through the motions
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  Speaker 2: if you make them dressing pads just to have them.
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  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think they're going through the motions. I
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  Speaker 5: just don't think after missing five straight weeks of work,
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  Speaker 5: you can just walk out there and practice a couple
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  Speaker 5: of times in play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean I guess you could, but I'd find that unlikely.
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  Speaker 2: So somebody in an email and right now I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to get to emails, but my computer doesn't work. The
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  Speaker 2: keyboard doesn't work. But we'll deal with that later. Don't
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  Speaker 2: worry Aboudye just looked up like one of those morments marmots.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, what, what's what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing's working?
• 4:18
  Speaker 5: You know what? Hey, hey Beth, if you just keep
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  Speaker 5: hitting the buttons, maybe they'll start working.
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  Speaker 7: You don't say that.
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  Speaker 2: Actually it was the keyboard. I knew it was all right, definitely,
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  Speaker 2: Like listen, I want to I want to say this.
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  Speaker 2: It's this is based on nothing. I don't have any rumblings,
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  Speaker 2: and some people might be even mad that I'm even
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  Speaker 2: bringing it up. But what if, like this is a
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  Speaker 2: contract thing, Like what if like no one neither side
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  Speaker 2: is saying anything about it because they're both being you know,
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  Speaker 2: good partners. But what if he's just like, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking for an extension here.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he can't get an extent, can't the third year
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  Speaker 5: and surgery's got too compared to be three years in.
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  Speaker 2: So this is his third year, but it have to
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  Speaker 2: be after his third correct.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think you're speculation is not showing
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  Speaker 5: it for next year. That there's a line of thought
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  Speaker 5: that this is related to his contract and that he's
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  Speaker 5: not going to get back out there. Not that he
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  Speaker 5: injured himself as part of some sort of elaborate contract negotiation,
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  Speaker 5: but the line of thought is that he's dealing with
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  Speaker 5: a bad hamstring and he's not going to get back
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  Speaker 5: on the field until he is one hundred ready to
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  Speaker 5: get back on the field, with the thought being I
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  Speaker 5: don't want to put anything less than my absolute best
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  Speaker 5: out there. A lot of people felt like sauce Gardo
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  Speaker 5: did a little of this last year with the Jets.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't have as good a year last year because he
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  Speaker 5: was trying to make sure his focus was to make
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  Speaker 5: it through the season as healthy as he could to
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  Speaker 5: better as Now, to me, that's kind of walked logic.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going to play as well as I can
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  Speaker 5: because I want to cash in later in the year.
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  Speaker 5: As you don't know, But he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Want to put anything on tape that would say that. No,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not at all pro.
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  Speaker 5: It worked for him. It worked for Sauce Gardner. He
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  Speaker 5: got a big contract despite I would say probably having
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  Speaker 5: the third of his third best of his three seasons
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  Speaker 5: in the league. But I don't necessarily buy it with Gonzo,
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  Speaker 5: And I'll tell you why. I just think we've seen
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  Speaker 5: too much of them. He's traveling to, you know, two
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  Speaker 5: preseason trips that he didn't have to travel to. Like
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  Speaker 5: he seems like he's really on board, really part of
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  Speaker 5: the equation, you know. That kind of sounds like to
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  Speaker 5: me an individual thing to do, you know, like I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to protect myself here for with my contract in mind,
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  Speaker 5: not necessarily on board with whatever the team's doing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I suppose you could do it. The modern
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  Speaker 2: agent is, you know, advising players on I'm not talking
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  Speaker 2: about gods. I'm talking in general.
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  Speaker 6: Now, I hope not because it's just it's stupid, and
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  Speaker 6: it's you know, I just told him me think those
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  Speaker 6: things come back and bite you in the butt.
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  Speaker 7: You try to lay it out all perfectly, well.
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  Speaker 6: I'm only going to go when I'm this, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: ultimately you have to get ready for the season, and
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  Speaker 6: the important thing would be to be out there if
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  Speaker 6: you were able to. But to me, this reeks of
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  Speaker 6: a hamstring injury that seemed like it was minor at first,
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  Speaker 6: and it's lingered. And I think Paul's right to think
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  Speaker 6: we want to get back to one for both the
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  Speaker 6: team and for the player.
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  Speaker 7: But it's hard for me to see him trying to
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  Speaker 7: make a.
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  Speaker 6: Power play now when he really only has one season
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  Speaker 6: that he's actually played.
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  Speaker 5: It reeks to me of, uh, just a setback. He
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  Speaker 5: had to have had a setback. I think that's why
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  Speaker 5: it's sort of changed, because everybody was really nothing to see, hear,
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  Speaker 5: nothing to worry about it, and all all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 5: say the last week ten days, everybody's like, geez, I
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  Speaker 5: wonder if he's going to play in the opener.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they'll for it.
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  Speaker 6: To your point, I would maybe bad money. He's gonna
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  Speaker 6: be out there today, because why not, like, at least
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  Speaker 6: you give him sorry that point, but at least put
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  Speaker 6: the thought in their head. And and even if you
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  Speaker 6: do make them strap on his shoulder pads for a minute,
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  Speaker 6: hopefully he's at the point where keep him on. Let's
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  Speaker 6: go do some conditioning after the mediately eves and we'll
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  Speaker 6: do your work that way. But because if he's not
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  Speaker 6: there today, then to me, that's oh, he's not playing.
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  Speaker 7: He's not playing.
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  Speaker 5: See I don't think he's playing Sunday. But I do
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  Speaker 5: think there's a chance that he's out there today as
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  Speaker 5: just regular part of getting back into practice. He has
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  Speaker 5: to start practicing if he's ever going to get back
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  Speaker 5: on the field.
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  Speaker 2: You can pass.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, just in general, what he has not practiced,
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  Speaker 5: even in the walkthroughs Fred, he hasn't taken part in
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  Speaker 5: And Mike, you might know the answer to this. Mike,
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  Speaker 5: we have seen him do some conditioning on the field
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  Speaker 5: right in front of us.
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  Speaker 2: We did it in Minnesota a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: But I got to be honest, I don't really I
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  Speaker 6: don't really remember it, to be honest, I.
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  Speaker 5: Don't either, but everybody else is talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: No, he was mooring up in Minnesota. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: was out there doing you know, doing something, running around
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  Speaker 2: and actually some sprints, and you know, then you'll wonder
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  Speaker 2: if this something happened there.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's what I'm I think that there was some
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  Speaker 5: sort of setback.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe that's where it was.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't know when or how. But I felt
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  Speaker 5: like the way that Mike Vrabel answered the question on Monday,
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  Speaker 5: where he sort of he started to say, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 5: been out a little bit longer than we thought, but
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  Speaker 5: he stopped short of saying that, yeah, it's been and
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  Speaker 5: then he kind of went in a different direction. I
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  Speaker 5: think he was trying. I think he was kind of
• 9:18
  Speaker 5: alluding to the fact that, yeah, there's been some bumps
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  Speaker 5: along the way in this rehab process. But I do
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  Speaker 5: think he's been rehabbing. I don't think this is Listen.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to say it has nothing to do
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  Speaker 5: with contract, because let's face it, these guys and their
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  Speaker 5: right to do it. They have to take care of themselves.
• 9:35
  Speaker 5: They're independent contractors, sure, right, So I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: say has nothing to do with the contract. But I
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  Speaker 5: don't think he's not practicing at all, because I'm not
• 9:42
  Speaker 5: going to practice until you know I'm one hundred percent,
• 9:45
  Speaker 5: you know, because I have to worry about my contract.
• 9:47
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's that blatant. And I really don't
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  Speaker 5: think that was what Sauce Gardner did last year either,
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  Speaker 5: although everybody says.
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  Speaker 2: That, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, you know, traditionally, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: if you're not here on Wednesday before the gaming, not
• 9:59
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  Speaker 5: Tradition matters certainly does so. I enjoyed some tostitos on
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  Speaker 5: Saturday while I was watching some college football ships myself.
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• 10:43
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• 10:50
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  Speaker 5: Put some some shredded cheese on it. Nachos and I
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  Speaker 5: made nachos, okay with mystitos.
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  Speaker 2: And when you when I when you just have like
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  Speaker 2: cold tostitos, Yeah, with satzer sausa salsa, sausa salsa. Do
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  Speaker 2: you get regular medium or hot?
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  Speaker 5: I get the medium medium, I do. The hot is
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  Speaker 5: just a little too hot. But I do like the
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  Speaker 5: I like a little spical kick, like a little kick.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 6: I had the chips saying I went to rest the
• 11:26
  Speaker 6: Mexican restaurant this weekend and we had they bring chips
• 11:28
  Speaker 6: to the table and then you fill up on the chips.
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  Speaker 2: But I was also iron the nacho where, Yeah, isn't
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  Speaker 2: that great? I went to the one Hyenna's under the
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  Speaker 2: Big Tree, you know, so if you ever got their
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: their chowder lobster biss really with a kick.
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  Speaker 6: Next Mexican really my you know, my wife California, and
• 11:49
  Speaker 6: she said, this is the best Mexican food I've had
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  Speaker 6: in Massachusetts.
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  Speaker 7: We went back there, Yeah, and yeah's good.
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  Speaker 2: They have another one in Fouma Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yea and a n e joh. The jay is silent,
• 12:02
  Speaker 7: much like our new Lineman Highness.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, all right, so there, so back to our discussion.
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  Speaker 2: You call me back to our discussion. Yes, this will
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  Speaker 2: be the first day of practice. They're going to be
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  Speaker 2: in pads, everybody's going to be taking attendance. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: the tweets will be flying the moment practice starts and
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  Speaker 2: who's there and who's not there.
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  Speaker 5: I just was thinking, if you're in your scenario that
• 12:29
  Speaker 5: you threw out yesterday, and you know, like like you
• 12:31
  Speaker 5: like to say, now, Fred, you and I we have
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  Speaker 5: long commutes. Yeah, we have a lot to think about.
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  Speaker 5: And I started thinking, I'm like, what if Fred's right?
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  Speaker 5: What if it's some sort of subterfuge, but not necessarily
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  Speaker 5: the way we were talking about it yesterday. Maybe the opposite.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe they're going to get him out there to make
• 12:47
  Speaker 5: the Raiders think he is going.
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  Speaker 6: To play right right, there's a possibility I would at
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  Speaker 6: least get him out there today and watch everybody go
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  Speaker 6: crazy and.
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  Speaker 2: Get Gonzo's back.
• 12:56
  Speaker 6: Gonzo's back, and even if he the second day leave,
• 12:59
  Speaker 6: he's down on the lower he'll just jogging around find
• 13:01
  Speaker 6: but at least put this possibility in.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: There now, just so people know. Practice can be audited
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  Speaker 2: by the league. So after every practice, every team has
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  Speaker 2: to come out with their participation report. It's not an
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  Speaker 2: injury report, it's a participation report. Did you fully participate,
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  Speaker 2: did you partially participate, or did you not practice? So
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  Speaker 2: if the Patriots aren't going to be able to say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: he fully participated, if when the media leaves, they send
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: him to the other hill. So theoretically that practice report
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: that's going to come out today, first one of the season,
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  Speaker 2: will give us an indication if he's out there, what
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  Speaker 2: level did he participate?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think he'd be limited no matter what.
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  Speaker 6: But also sets up for Friday. I mentioned it that
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  Speaker 6: Brabel meets with us after practice, so if Gonzo's out there,
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  Speaker 6: he'll give us some kind of insight into what might be.
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  Speaker 2: So for this show, though, I'm going to be talking
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: about this game coming up as if he's not playing,
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to assume he's not playing. I would agree, friend, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the way you you know, So anything I say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots have a chance to do this or that,
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming that it doesn't include Gonzo.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think it's it's not the worst week
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  Speaker 6: to not have your number one corner, But it's also
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  Speaker 6: just thinking about Bowers and maybe thinking about putting a
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  Speaker 6: corner on him. It's just it you're a little thinner.
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  Speaker 6: Everything that gets not the passing league.
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  Speaker 5: And it's never good not to have your best player availed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Right, I mean, it's a significant part of the team.
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  Speaker 5: But I would agree with you. Next week, you're going
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: down to South Florida to play the Dolphins and they
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: have when they're right a quarterback who loves to use
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: those two wide receivers. So not having him for that game,
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  Speaker 5: to me, would be far more damaging than not having
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: him for the Raiders.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that we touched on it yesterday. We
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: have to consider Jante in the passing game, and that's
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: a that's something that's a wildcard. We don't know how
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: good he's going to be in the NFL in that role,
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: but I think he's going to be good personally.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's a perfect week one kind of thing
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  Speaker 6: where just feed your what is he fifth overall pick?
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  Speaker 7: You know, feed this guy.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that's what I would do. I mean, I
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: think the Patriots are probably gonna maybe lean. I think
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  Speaker 6: they'll lean into the run generally speaking, but I think
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: they'll lean a little bit more into the run early on,
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  Speaker 6: just get a feel for it. Hopefully they can hang
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  Speaker 6: onto the ball, of course. But I would feed Genty, I.
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  Speaker 7: Would use him to test everything that the Patriots are
• 15:24
  Speaker 7: going to do. Screen games, yeah, you know, quick game because.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Pino Smith isn't considered a mobile quarterback. He can run, Yeah,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: he's still I think he athletic enough, but you know,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: he's not Josh Allen.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: He's not going to run by design. He's going to
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: run as a scrambler. But I agree with Mike and
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: Mike and I both talked about this because we've already
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: taped our various show variot predictions. But I agree with
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: the mindset of both teams probably going to want to
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: run the ball. And I was really interested because I
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: would think that that kind of lent itself to a
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: you know, maybe low twenties kind of game at most.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: And I was listening to Greg Bdard, Yes, and he
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: thinks it's going to be a shootout. He think it's
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: going to be a really high scoring game. He didn't
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: give a score, so I don't know what he said,
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: high scoring with both offenses because he doesn't think much
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: of the Raiders defense and he's a little concerned about
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: what he's seen so far from the Patriots defense. I'm
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: sure Gonzales the situation factors into that as well. I
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: just can't imagine that Pete Carroll doesn't want to use
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: his first first round pick and lean on him, like
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Mike just said. And I'm pretty sure that Josh McDaniels
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: is going to want to do the same to help
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: out this young offensive line. You know that is generally
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: across the board, are all considered better run blockers than
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: pass blockers. Why wouldn't you want to try to establish
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: the run. I'd be surprised if the teams didn't at
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: least start the game conservatively.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get prepared for the comparisons. So the Patriots
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: could have had Jenttey and then they still could have
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: had a left tackle.
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: You know, I told you I tried. Guys. Now, I'm
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: happy with Bill Campbell. The thing though, how.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: Come you're the only one allowed to have arguments before
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: they happened.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: That's already happened. But when I think I made that up.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: It was on one of your shows.
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: But you just said, but you literally just say get
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: ready for people that say.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Genty like, I don't know they will.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: He's not one to argue ahead of time when I
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: He knows what's coming.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: The thing was interesting me though. I talked to Paul
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: a little bit about it and we mentioned Patrick Graham,
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: but you know, he survived two regimes.
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: He was Josh's defensive coordinator. That guy's got a pretty
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: good beat on what Josh wants to do. I know,
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: I think it was David Andrews just spoke to Andrew Callahan.
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: I saw a clip of the podcast and David Andrews said,
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: Tennessee gave them a lot of problems in twenty eighteen
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: when Rabel beat the Patriots, and he said, because he
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: understood our protections, and you know, David Andrews did that
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: was kind of a nightmare game where we felt we
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: were a little bit in the blender one of the
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: few times with Brady and so I just I wonder
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: similar circumstances with Patrick Graham, who I mean, he was
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Josh's defensive coordinator. He's been in that system, there for
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: two years now.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: If you could put Brady in a blender, yeah.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: Right, So, I mean he he obviously has a very
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: intimate understanding of Josh McDaniels and Josh McDaniels offense. So
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: I just wonder if how much that's going to come
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: into play. And we'll talk to Josh tomorrow. I think
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: it's a good question to ask him a little bit
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: about Patrick Graham and his influence on that defense.
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: And you know what's going on with the Raiders.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: Are they trying to do what Pete Carroll wants to
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: do or are they trying to do what Patrick Graham's
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: kind of come up with the Patriots and game planning
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: and that kind of stuff.
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: So so many more unknowns I think.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: With well, and Pete Carroll is no slouch himself when
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: it comes to defensive game planning. You know. That's how
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: he made his name in the NFL with the forty
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: nine ers and had one of the best defenses in
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: the league with the Seahawks. You know, you sure did.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I mean even I mean I saw with
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: USC in the college game when he was you know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: put putting pros left and right out of that program.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: But yeah, It's just a lot of interesting matchups, and
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: there's always so many unknowns in Week one. But when
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: you have two new head coaches and Chip Kelly back
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: in the NFL, and there's just a lot.
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: Of different things going on with all the different stories.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: Kelly's a real X factor too. I have no idea
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: what to expect from him offensively at all, and I'm
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: sure that the coaches are scrambling themselves, you know how
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: much what they saw in the summer with the preseason
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: games is an indication of what they're going to do.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: It's a new quarterback in a new system, and Chip
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Kelly hasn't even been in the NFL for a while,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: so there's a lot of unknown there, you know. I
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: remember Bill used to always talk about the unknowns of
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Week one are always enormous because you never really know
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: exactly what to expect. You add in the fact that
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: Chip Kelly was in college last year. I don't know
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: all of the key guys that you're talking about basically
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: are new, so I don't know how you have a
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: beat on what they might be bring.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: You got to believe that in the NFL every team,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: every team has somebody on the payroll who's a ten,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: their schedule, opponents practices in the summer.
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: It happens a lot, and.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: You know, you know, they're not out there with binoculars
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: or a notepad, but they're looking and they're you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: just committing it to memory and then making a phone
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: call when they're done. Yeah, this is what I saw.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Don't you wouldn't you do that?
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: I would surely practices like ours where you just all.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: The practices are like that. They're the only ones in the.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Past that charge with the Washington try to and then
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: and then by doing that, you have to allow the
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: scouts in.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, So like anyone can walk into these practices and
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like Paul could walk in and his
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: blue shirt to the Raiders practice and they don't know
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: what he's doing. Well, you think he's a fan.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: But the flip side of it, if you were here,
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: would you hire somebody to watch the stands and kind
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: of audit what's going on in the story.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Like I said, you're not sitting there with binoculars in
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a notepad. I put them in a Raider shirt, make
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: them look like a fan and you're just watching with
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: everyone else. But you're watching with a keen eye for
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: what you're seeing and then you report back afterwards, like
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of these guys. Now, you can't believe every
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: team is not doing that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: Good question.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: You only have to look at what eight opponents, right.
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: I mean definitely the ones that you know, how.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Many if you look at the what we played three
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: teams twice, so that's three so fourteen opponents? You know? Okay, yeah, yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: you only have to you only have to have like.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: We only have eight games seventeen. But no, no, you
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: have to worry abody.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: What would you if you were the Patriots doing would
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: you have to go to the Bills and Dolphins? You
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: already kind of know, and that seems an unnecessary risk?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, everybody?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: I know, if you were here every day, what would
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: you if the raider? What would you think the Raiders
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: would have gleaned from being here every day?
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: The Patriots going to do I don't know, probably more
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: than we can tell. You know, they probably have.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: They're looking at the stuff that we're not allowed to report, formations,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: things like that. You know, I just would say we
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: were there, you know, play a grouping, Yeah, situational groupings.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: I just feel like I kind of know that stuff.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's part of the question.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: I think it's I mean, I don't know if it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: is the juice worth the squeeze that they are the
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: league telling them you can't do this?
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: Is there an unwritten rules, don't.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there is an unwritten rule that it's not
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: good sportsmanship. But like I would do it, and I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: think every team should do it. I don't think that
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: you should not do it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: I just would worry that everyone in the league knows
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: each other, and to put someone onto this task, they
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: would need to have a foundation of knowledge so they
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: understand what they're seeing.
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: What's important.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: So it's hard to find somebody that nobody knows. And
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: just that chance that you know, want somebody on.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a good part.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: I know, this guy works with the colts out there.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: You're doing a good point.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: And he's got the you know, the mister McGoo glasses.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: You have to have a certain level of knowledge, and
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: if you have that certain level of knowledge, people might
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: know you.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: And yeah, my bigger point was I feel like for
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: the most part, the game plan oriented stuff doesn't happen
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: in training camp. It happens once the practice is.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: You're not looking for what they're going to do against us,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: but you're looking at in third down and short this
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: is the grouping that they're using.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: Well, what about a joint practice, which I mean, is
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: that like is that a little bit more You're seeing
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: two teams maybe and not seeing game planning, but you
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: are everything a little bit closer to what reality is.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: I get what Paul's saying though that I'm not saying
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: there's real value and it I didn't poo pooh Fred's theory.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: I just I think in order to really know what
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: a team is going to do, yeah, yeah, I think
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: that's behind closed doors. I don't think teams are doing
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: exactly what they're going to do every you know what
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, right, But they're kind of hiding some of
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: that stuff knowing that the practices are open and that
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: fans are videoing and putting them on Twitter and whatnot.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll get we'll get what we need from thanks
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: to the fans that are putting the legals of them
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: on the internet.
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: But I I mean, I I I don't know.
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: I think that there probably are teams to do it though,
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: because as we know listen.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't be doing That's why I didn't pooh poop
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: friends a whole theory. I wouldn't be surprised if teams
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: There's an old story about when the Raiders practice I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: forget whether it was la or or Oakland. Their practice
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: field was surrounded by hills and there were houses on
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: the hills. And somebody was talking to Al Davis. Is
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: aren't you worried about like people being in those He goes,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I bought them. You bought the houses, so the Raiders
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: own them. You know, it sounds like some Davis. And
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: even here, you know, we've got the hotel. What's to
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: stop somebody from getting you know, the highest room? What's that? Oh? Okay,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: let's go to Rabela.
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: That's what's been recording for seven minutes. I wonder if
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: there's anything good on there? Yeah, what do you guys
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: talk about it here? Before we get started?
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: I doubt that Mark has told me about your.
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: Podcast beautiful take advantage of it?
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Teresa? Are sorry, Carol? Well, it happens right like that?
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: Can we are we expecting to have Christian out there?
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: And if you don't?
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Is it safe to say?
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Who's who won't reveil.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't say that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: You know, well, he's continuing to work and he'll do
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: you know, some stuff on the side, but I you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: I'm not gonna rule anybody out stays.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: He just made an announcement about the injury report.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: So well, we'll continue to work and treat and make
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: sure that we're doing everything and that we can to
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: help him, and he's doing everything he can to to
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: get back out on the field. That that's the only
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: update I have right now.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: We won't see him today, or it didn't sound now,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: didn't sound like it. He continue to avoid ir that possibility.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: So no, he just won't be out there today. Mark. Uh,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: you know, I can't tell you much other than that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: So how much does a guy.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Like him needs to practice before you feel comfortable blaing
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: in the game.
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: It won't be today, So I apologize, but you know
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: that's where it'll be. Like I mean, I do like
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: where he's at from an engagement standpoint.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: We've been through this with other players.
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: And like where he's at from that standpoint in the meetings.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Locked in.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: Falling along a practice which is difficult, which is difficult
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: to think that a player that's not in there can
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: follow along. I've been through that as a player and
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: a coach, and I think he's done a nice job
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: of being able to do that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Quick.
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: Is it important for players to get to one hundred?
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Is every player different?
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: Because well, every player, I mean, we don't. I don't
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: use percentages. Again, I'll remind you what we talked about
• 27:02
  Speaker 8: as far as when I try to make decisions about
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: players and returning.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: One. Can can they make it worse?
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: One?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Can they to protect themselves?
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: We can all say what we want about this game,
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: but you know, I mean it's violent.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: And can you protect yourself?
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: And can you do your job up to the standard
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: that we expect and that the that the player is
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: used to. So those are the things that I've tried
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: to use when making decisions. Maybe I'll add some to that,
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: but that's what I've tried to use in my other
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: experience in this position.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Like the initial reports, and I know that it didn't
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: come from you.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: With the initial h I.
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: Mean, please, guys, I mean we we have this is
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: the first Wednesday of the season, and he's not going.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: To be at practice, and I just please use your.
• 27:51
  Speaker 8: Time as efficiently as we can about our team about
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: the Raiders, and I know Christian is a large part
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: of our team, but he's not going to be out
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: there today.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: So that's all I can update you with. Do have
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: anything else since I cut you off?
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: Yeah, well I got to read about the Raiders this week,
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: so yeah, I know one is always tricky, but the
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: fact that they bring in Geno.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: They have ashen.
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: Terrific young skill players. I mean Brock Bauers plays like
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: a wide receiver. He's a willing blocker, gentee, powerful, fast,
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: continues to move his feet after contact, breaks a lot
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: of tackles, you know, speed on the outside, savviness with
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: Myers big physical offensive line.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: So that'll be a challenge when you talk about that.
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: Gino really does a nice job of taking care of
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: the football or a very good completion percentage, so he
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: knows where he wants to go with football.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Like following that up a little bit during a first week,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: how tough is it to get ready for opponent with
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: a first year coach?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Do you have to go back to what Pete has
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: done with other teams?
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean they have they have a first year
• 29:01
  Speaker 8: defensive coach with a coordinator that's been there and done stuff.
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: And then they have a new offensive coordinator who's been
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: in the NFL and has also come from the Ohio
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: State University. And so that's a pretty unique, i think,
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: blend of what we have to try to anticipate. We're
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: not going to be there's going to be numerous plays
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: in the game that we won't have seen or we
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: won't have run in practice in this preparation.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: That's how it goes.
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: I mean, that's gonna be like that every week, but
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: just trying to get themes and concepts and ideas of
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: what they may want to do defensively with Pat and
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: Pete's style and scheme, and then what they may want
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: to do from offensively from what Chip's done in the
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: past in the NFL, for what he's done in college,
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: and what Gino likes. Certainly quarterbacks in this league, you know,
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: like things, and we'll get get things at it. So
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: I'm sure there'll be things that he's liked that that
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: they'll run from, from plays he liked in Seattle.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Carol that over.
• 30:08
  Speaker 9: While I think goes you pack ramp and see Josh
• 30:11
  Speaker 9: m Pana's offense a million times and being here Patriots
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: and Josh will also tap piece defense in different ways.
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: Walls playoff games becaust graphic defense. With the Chargers, do
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: you try and game out how they'll we act what
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: you're doing, et cetera.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Do you do well?
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: The one thing you don't want to be is too cute,
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: certainly in week one or at any time, and think, well,
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: they know and they think we're going to do this,
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: so that we're going to do this, And I mean
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: I think we have to you know, be really sound
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: and and use our rules and you know, if we
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: see something that that's new, you know, we have to
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: keep our composure and and keep our poise and and
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: figure out ways to make it work.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Season Les, did you say what person? Yes?
• 31:03
  Speaker 9: Just what did you see as the leaders?
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: I mean really by example, just his is the way
• 31:10
  Speaker 8: that his his practice habits his professionalism, I would say,
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: And then you know his performance on the field and
• 31:17
  Speaker 8: what he does and how he plays. So really like
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: being around Marcus, like the person who is he is
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: and the player that he is.
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: Like I know in Tennessee, you would identify three or
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: four things the team had to do for every game
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: in order to win. These kind of keys to what
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: now have you done that already this weekend? If so,
• 31:35
  Speaker 12: is that something you'll share with us?
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: Yes, we have, and know we won't. You know, you
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: don't want to get too convoluted and just try to
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: make sure that the players that are seeing it the
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: same way as we do. After all the film and
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: you know, things that we think are going to be
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: important this week and having been through it, It's not
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: like I want him to memorize and have to look down.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: I wanted to understand how.
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: How they're in their position, what they can do to
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: help us execute those keys. And so it's not just
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: a blanket and broad statement. It's like, how does my
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: job as a left guard, or how does my job
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: as a you know, a safety or a nickel help
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: us execute these keys or what we're trying to get
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: done on special teams?
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: Erland known for his Color three defense and then ship
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: Kelly's kind of known for his up temple offense.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Is that sill theication and perspective?
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: And are there any ways that.
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: Those systems have evolved since you know less some of those.
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: Kinds of mo Yeah, man, they you know, Pete's done
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: it for a long time and you know they have
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: their adjustment. When you run something extensively or the majority
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: of the time, you have to have answers, right because
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: you know, you know that people are going to try
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: to scheme you, and you have to be able to
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: have answers. They've evolved and done a great job and
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: have answers and different ways to play things that they
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: want to do. And then they have their their changeups
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: and their mixers. And then certainly Chips offense has expanded
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: and grown. I mean Chip Chip used to call it
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: on an index card. It's seven plays and you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: they just were really good at them and they went
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: really fast. And so I think that that's all evolved
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: from the stuff at U c l A, from stuff
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: at Ohio State to what he'll he'll do with you know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: those skilled players that we mentioned with with the Raiders
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: said on the team to a second half, Yeah, called
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: you a coach your players.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Out to reach that expectation.
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: Well, I think conditioning, I think an emphasis, I think
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: taking a break.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: And that's a good question. I appreciate that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: And you know, we actually put a break in there
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: and at the midway through practice where we have two
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: team periods left, and I said, you know, you guys
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: are gonna think this is some gimmick, but it's gonna
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: be me saying, hey, coaches, get together, tell them listen,
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: this is.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: What you know, it's how practice started. Whatever's going on.
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: Just be conscious here to a strong win the second half,
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: win the second half. And yeah, I think it's just
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: a good reminder and in working on our conditioning, like
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: regarding put.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: The tempo play in the second half and the Chips
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: offensive style and fast.
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean it's not. I don't think it's as
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: breaking there and maybe it will be. I mean we'll see,
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: but I mean it I you know, I think it's
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: a little different than probably what it was and in Philadelphia.
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: And if it is, if you know, we'll have to
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: be ready for it. But go ahead, Okay.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: In a way, it's it's the first full game. So
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: these guys are wanting to play this year or so
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: for more football in the ships year. How does it
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: affect substitution shoots? Everybody will have to play.
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: I mean everybody has to play every game and be
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: ready to play. And you know the ones that are
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: in condition and they are playing the way that we
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: uh expect them to, well, we'll stay in there. And
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: then when they're not, then they'll have to get a
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: break and put the next guy in there like we've
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: always done, might have a fast.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Out like they growth being cross.
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: Confident and that man who being ready to go the
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: girl for the top of the game.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Majority of the US. Yeah, I mean, I'm confident.
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: I think Mo's worked extremely hard and don't exactly what
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: we've asked them.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: To do, and has been involved in a lot of
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: their reps. Sorry, go ahead full off season with him.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Just us.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Where has dream they sed up most off the field
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: to you?
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I think his command in the meetings. I think.
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: The reach to the locker room, the reach of the
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: players and stuff off the field, being engaged in that
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: way and knowing how important that particular position is, uh
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: in all three phases on special teams, and the impact
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: that that he can make as the quarterback.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, that was Mike Vrabel Live. So I don't think
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: it's going to get out a little uh yeah, we're
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: not gonna again a subterfuge. He came right out and
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: said he's unpracticing today, so he's not playing. Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I liked he was echoing some of our talk
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: that we had earlier on the coaching staff and.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I sniffed in the middle of the press conference,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Mike and I just gave ourselves a little hat tip
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: to each to one another for all of our talk
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: about all the newness. Yeah, and Chip Kelly.
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: And a brand ensemble staffs of how it's the connections.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: New coaches, a lot of unknowns the Ohio.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: It's a good matchup. It's a good.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: Week one matchup.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: You know two teams that struggled a year ago that
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: both figure they both think that they've improved and they're
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: going to get better with new coaching staffs. It's a
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: good week one matchup. I agree with Freddy.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I think the big difference is the Patriots are working
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: with a quarterback where they think Ope is the future.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: That is a big difference, and they have a bridge
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: quarterback if you will.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a big difference.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: I think the Raiders rank higher on the all time
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: Patriots rivalry list than maybe people might acknowledge.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Just historically.
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: I think a lot of people know the two thousands
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: to one.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: I have them very high on.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: For teams the outside of the division, I don't really
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: know any.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Particularly if you go back to the seventies. As a fan,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you hated the Raiders, hated them. That's what I've been.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: But but now it's like, you know, you know, it's
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: we kind of have the The big game is the
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: one that the Patriots won with the Raiders recently. You know,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: so like I don't two thousand and one game, like
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I could care less about it. I couldn't care less
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: about the Raiders.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: It's two thousand and one recent, it's modern. I mean,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: it's certainly more recent than any of the rais success
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: Patriots history.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: You know, there's like the ancient Patriots history and the
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: modern Patriots history. And I don't think that the Raiders
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: are a big rival in the modern Patriots history.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: No, it's the modern Patriots history. Who's the rival the Patriots?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Well, what was the Colts for a while?
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: Right now again you got to go back fifteen years.
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the Dolphins.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: But right now, like you know, we launched our rivalry's
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: line of clothing last week, and the Jets was the
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: game that you know, the league chose as the rivals.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if the league or we chose it,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: but it's hard to say. Who are the Patriots' rivals?
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: And I like that kind of stuff because it's subjective. Yeah,
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: you know. And for me, when I go back to
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: what Fred's talking about, the Raiders and the Steelers, I
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: hated in the seventies. I hated them, you know, because
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: they were good. I mean, it's it's obvious why, you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: they were the good teams. And then you know, for
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: the division, it was Miami because the Patriots could never
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: beat Miami, especially in Miami. But then you know, once
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: the Patriots, you know, got the dynasty, it was the Colts.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: The Colts and the Steelers, you know, will go back
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: and forth, you know, and you didn't necessarily think of
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Miami in the same way because Miami wasn't really all
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: that good in the post Schula Marino years. Miami was
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: always a disappointment and it never really could get over
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: the hump.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: Just I've been diving into, you know, doing a thing
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: for eighty five. But looking at the seventies, and you
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: had Sugabar Hamilton game in seventy six, then you had
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: you know, TERRYL. Stingley got paralyzed out there in the
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: pre season in seventy eight. They did have to go
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: back out there and win, but you know, then the
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: controversy between the ownership group and the Sullivans hating Al
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: Davis and them going back and forth. Eighty five, Patrick
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: Sullivan getting punch, which I got to talk to him about,
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: which was great. But yeah, and it was just like
• 39:22
  Speaker 6: all those things were percolating and then you had a
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: long gap and then O one happened. And I think
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: to a lot of fans, they look at that is
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: a little bit in a bubble, and I kind of
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: look at it differently.
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: Now really, having looked back at those seventies, they're just
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: how much there was and it was a win a
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: long period.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Look at it now, like, how do you look at it?
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: Like I said, like I brought it up, it's one
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: of their biggest historical rivals.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: And even though there's you know, ebbs and flows to it.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: Over the last forty fifty years, especially in the seventies,
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: like you guys said, and into the eighties, there was
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: you know, no rivalry bet bigger, and you know, to
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: go out there in eighty five and beat them, like
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: there was so much on that with guys like Steve
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: Nelson and you know that had been around for a
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: while that remembered those games in the seventies and you know,
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: still held a little bit of a grudge.
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: But I will say it's funny.
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: It's like we talk about the sugar Bear Hamilton thing
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: where it's like, now, like that's a penalty all day,
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: but you also see like penalties all day happening everywhere
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: on the field constantly during.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Those games, where it's like that's AsSalt what would be penalties?
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: Right, you guys getting.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: So it's like one of those clothesline was like you
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: could I.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: Know, I'm also reading I'm reading the you know, doctor
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: Z's got the Book of Modern Guide to Thinking.
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: Thinking Man's can't get an awesome book.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so much.
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: Truth in it, written in the mid eighties about everything
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: that that we talk about.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: But you know, he talked about the head slap and
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: when they got rid of the head slap and how
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: that was such a big thing for defensive lineman, like
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: you can't just give someone a right hook.
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: To the head anymore.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: You know that that change and made it harder for
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: believing it wasn't just a slap. They they were talking
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: about you get a concussion.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys following you know, everybody
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: has all kinds of different stuff that ends up, you know,
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: in their feeds on the various social media networks. This guy,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: Kevin Gallagher, he does a lot of historical football clips,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: which is as you guys would guess, right up my alley,
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: you know, I just I love this stuff. But earlier
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: this week there was an anniversary of the NFL sort
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: of modernizing the pass defense in terms of bump and run.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: It was like the mel Blunt rule. Mel Blunt used
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: to kill guys all the way down the field, and
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: you can't do that anymore, you know, and.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: You can't take someone's life anywhere.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: But you look at it now, right and you'd be like, well, Jesus,
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: he touched him seven yards downfield, you can't. That's a
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: legal contact, right. Like back in the day there was
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: like literal physical contact between the cornerbacks and the receivers
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: all the way down the field. There was like bump
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: and run literally all the way down the field. And
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: they outlawed it. And like I think it was seventy eight,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: you know, with the advent of the sixteen game schedule,
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: and that's why they were sort of there was a
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: whole bunch of rules changes and the schedule expanded from
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: fourteen to.
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  Speaker 2: we'll take care of Yesterday, we're talking about the picks
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: contests or the picks that we do on Thursday, and
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: how do you get fans involved and all that. Of course,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: immediately after the show, I got emails from fans, Oh
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: you should do this, you should do that. A couple
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: fans offered their services in creating an app or something
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: to do. There was one guy that yesterday said he
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: could write something, but it wouldn't be ready for next show.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I said, yeah, go ahead and start it. But since then,
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Boston Cream has sent us something that he created, kind
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: of an app, and it'll be ready for next show.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: So Mattic, can you hear me? Are you in there? Yeah?
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: So why don't we tell Tom who I told yesterday?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Go ahead and do that. Call the dogs off with him,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: and let's use this thing with Boston Cream. So between
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: now and tomorrow, figure out how we can present that
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to fans, tell them what to do and how it'll work, okay,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and then we'll incorporate it into the show tomorrow. So
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: this looks pretty good. I'm looking at it. Boston Cream
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: sent me some photo some shots of it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: All right, you guys got to turn your mics down there.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll have something with that. I just wanted
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: to get Boston Cream. Let him know as soon as possible,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Let Tom know that he can stop writing his code.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Oh we have code. I don't know how he was
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: writing it in written.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: So this is for the fans contest.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is separate.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: So I still have to do my sheet. Oh yeah, okay,
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: because I know, I know you like my sheets yeah,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I know, you still have to do your shoes like
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: to make fun of the dinosaur for right.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: This is assumably the fans will go on this app
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and they'll do their picks, and then on the next
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: show I'll use that to say, okay, you know, uh
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: so and so did the best Okay, yeah, and they'll
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: be like a leader board and all that.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: I see what you're saying. Yeah, sounds good. Yep, sounds good.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Okay. What were you saying before? Nothing?
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: But we do have the opener tomorrow night, oh yeah,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: which I'm really looking forward to the start of the season.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: I have no real interest whatsoever in that game tomorrow night, though.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Who is it Philly in Dallas? Why not?
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: Because of exactly that? You know, my no hatred of
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: divisional games.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I know, but like these are two well at least
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Philly is a team that should be a playoff contender.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: And you want to see the state of the Cowboys
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: at all times, you know. Yeah, I guess is it
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: in Dallas or Philly?
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: I assume it's Philly. It's the NFL kickoff for the
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl champ I assume it's in Philly.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Yeah, I mean I'm.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Going to use you a theory of I'm just disappointed
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: with the whole Micah Parsons that like Dallas, like the
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: league is better if Dallas is good, and I know
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: that they're polarizing no matter what. You know, I don't
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: like the Cowboys. They put them with the Steelers in
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: the in the Raiders, right, you know for me from
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: my childhood. But I don't think they're going to be
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: overly good. I think they'll be better because Dak Prescott
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: will be healthy, but the defense certainly isn't going to
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: be as good. You know, we had a division matchup
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Thursday night. We got a division matchup Friday night with
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Kansas City and the Chargers.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: That's in Brinilla, right, I don't even.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: Know where it is. But like last year, I think
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: to hit a home run with Kansas City and Baltimore.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: That's a great matchup that you don't get to see
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: every every year or all the time. You know, these
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: games that they love, the division games, they love them.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Well, there's more of them so they get more to
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: choose from.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. I'm just I'll be watching. It's
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: the first game of the year, you know, be into it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: But I'll be surprised. If I stay with it, I'll.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Be asleep by halftime, I'm sure. But yeah, I'll be
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: watching absolutely you know NFL football, Paul, I can't beat
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: that product.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: Now, I generally don't watch the Thursday night games, like
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: I know, you're a week to week too many, too
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: many of those odd odd time.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I've come to like the Amazon stream and you know
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: that whole present.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Well, that's the biggest reason why I don't watch the
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Thursday night games, because I can't change the channel.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, I hear that they've got to figure
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: that out. All right, let's get to the phone again.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Mike has just left for practice. Evan's already out there.
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: Then Mike has gone to.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right, practice, so correct, they're both in the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: locker room. Then they'll go out to practice. Then they'll
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: come back and people will be coming and going. So
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: we'll get to that. But in the meantime, let's let's
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: hear from you. Eight five five Pats five hundred is
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: the hot line. We'll start with Dante, who's in Delaware.
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: Hey Dante, Hey, good afternoon, guys. Hey, I'm looking forward
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: to Sunday, and I hope you all are as well
• 47:38
  Speaker 13: defense more specifically secondary would never worry in my mind
• 47:43
  Speaker 13: going into this season. But now I'm having second off.
• 47:46
  Speaker 13: What are your thoughts on the Peppers release? Do you
• 47:49
  Speaker 13: expect us to make another acquisition for our secondary? And
• 47:53
  Speaker 13: who do you see us using the not stop but
• 47:56
  Speaker 13: slow down? Brought Boers to Sunday.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so two questions. What we you know, we talked
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: extensively about Peppers yesterday.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: I thought it was surprising. It's in a nutshell, I
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: thought it was a surprising move. You can certainly understand
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: Mike Vrabel trying to surround himself with as many of
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: his guys quote unquote as he can.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: This is a guy who probably doesn't.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: Figure to be part of the future at you know what,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: year eight or nine. Now, at this point, I was
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: still surprised. I thought there was he was a starting
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: caliber player. They obviously thought differently. Maybe they're looking for
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: a little bit more youth and speed and range at
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: the back end of the safety spot. So that's what
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: we thought about Peppers.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we think that they tried to move both
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Peppers and Doug Art that both were available. Yeah, they
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: couldn't move either one of them. And they didn't want
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: to keep both of them.
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, in terms of the secondary, I think their starting
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: corners in Gonzales and Davis are solid. I'm a little
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: bit more concerned about what's behind them with Marcus Jones
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: and Alex Austin and I guess DJ James now, So
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: I think that's a little bit of a thin spot.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: They've made safety a little bit of a thin spot.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: I think with their decision with Peppers, I don't know
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: what you're going to acquire at this stage that's going
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: to necessarily add significantly. I mean maybe if like there's
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: a veteran I think Stefan Gilmour is still available, but
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: I just don't think that makes any sense based on
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: the other moves that Vrabel's making. The guys they're acquiring
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: now are young guys that are you know, they're trying
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: to see if they're worth developing and what they're going
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: to do on Sunday with Brock Bowers. It's another part
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: of the newness that we just don't really know because
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: we've never seen Terrell Williams and this group of coaches
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: put together a game plan. I wouldn't be surprised to
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: see Carlton Davis heavily involved with Brock Bowers on Sunday
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: with some linebacker and safety bracketing kind of stuff. You know,
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: maybe Christian Ellis is a pretty mobile linebacker. Splaine is
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: a guy that moves around well, but you can't ask
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: linebackers and safeties to cover Brock.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: If the Raiders had a true number one, in the
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: true sense of a receiver, that would that would create
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: a whole different set of problems. But I think because
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: they don't, they don't have that one guy that you
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: know is up the level of a Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I think you can afford to put Carlton Davis on Bowers.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's pick your poison, and they have two
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: guys that are very similar goods Myers and Bowers. I
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: think that they probably feel Bowers is the more dangerous guy. Yeah,
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: and I think he'll get more attention.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: As a result. Boston Cream's on the phone, so you
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: heard me talking about him? What's up, Boston Cream?
• 50:38
  Speaker 14: Yeah, Hey guys, Yeah, sorry, I missed most of the
• 50:40
  Speaker 14: conversation about after you mentioned that we're gonna go with
• 50:43
  Speaker 14: my methods. So if you don't mind, I'll just talk
• 50:45
  Speaker 14: about it first.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, give us a preview of how that's
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: gonna work for fans.
• 50:50
  Speaker 14: Okay, so anyone who's kind of familiar with fantasy football
• 50:53
  Speaker 14: knows the Sleeper app. I've just created a pick a
• 50:56
  Speaker 14: pool on Sleeper. I'll disseminate the link amongst my social spread, Paul,
• 51:02
  Speaker 14: everyone else. If you guys can possibly do the same,
• 51:06
  Speaker 14: that would be easy. Fans could just click the link.
• 51:09
  Speaker 14: They'll have to make a profile and download the app.
• 51:13
  Speaker 14: That's about as difficult as a guess each week and
• 51:16
  Speaker 14: go into the app, and you simply just pick which
• 51:19
  Speaker 14: team you think is going to win. I'm assuming we
• 51:21
  Speaker 14: just want to do a straight pick up, not spread.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Well, we want to do both. That's how we do it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Well, we're doing it. But the fans can do whatever.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, they can do whatever it wants. But it'd be
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: good to see how they do against the spread too.
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: Okay, I don't know.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: That might be hard.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's right. So if you could choose, Paul,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: what should you do? Spreader straight up? Straight up?
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: Okay for the fans, I all right, I just think
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: it's easier for it.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: It is easier for him. It's easier for everybody.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: But I think from a design standpoint.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Well that's true because their spread may not be the
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: same as ours. Yeah, so do it straight up? Good,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: point yep, good.
• 52:00
  Speaker 14: And then on the app it's going to be really
• 52:02
  Speaker 14: nice for fans. You can actually see where people rank
• 52:06
  Speaker 14: each week, and there's an overall like leaderboard, this, that
• 52:10
  Speaker 14: and the other. It's very very simple. So I'm glad
• 52:13
  Speaker 14: you guys chose my method, but if you can help
• 52:16
  Speaker 14: me spread the word, that would be great.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, So what we'll do is as soon as you
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: give the link to Matt Morrell, either in this show
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: or tomorrow show at the top of the show, well
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: we'll share the link so that you know, people can
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: download it and have it ready. You know, we have
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: to have a cutoff, right, Yeah, I'm sure the app
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: itself has its own cutoff for doing the picks.
• 52:40
  Speaker 14: Yes, it does, fret. The link is attached to the email.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: All right, Well that's a Matt Morrel thing. He has
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: to take care of that.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: Maybe he's giving a thumbs up else, got it?
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Okay? Good, all right, Well thanks, thanks Boston Kream. Appreciate that.
• 52:55
  Speaker 14: No worries. I'm usually a menace but today I'll be
• 52:57
  Speaker 14: a helper.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: All right, thanks, that's a lot all right, all right,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: so we have a solution there.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Fans can can you know they can play along with
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: us on Thursdays?
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: Can?
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: They can have their their contests at the same time
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: and they'll see that It's not as easy as you think.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Yep. Another logistical question. This isn't about picks, Kristen, Chris
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: and Santa Fe says, just found out the closest fan
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: club to me is not really active anymore. How do
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I go about starting a.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: New one all of a sudden, that's the thing?
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Now? Yeah, well I love it, so Chris, here's how
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: you start your club is up to you. If you
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: already have a group of fans, then you know that's great.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: You have the beginnings of a fan club. But the
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: way it works on the fan club Registerryan Patriots dot
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Com is you go there, you have to have a
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: minimum of ten members, and you share those the names
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: and emails of those members with us in an Excel
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: spreadsheet that you know, just email it and all the
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: instructions are in the registry. Once we verify that these
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: are real people and you didn't just make them up.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Then we'll register you, you know, and you have control
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: of the page from that point on. Once you create
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: an account, you can put up your logo, you can list,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: you know, what bar that you meet at to watch
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the game. You can list, you know, events that you're having.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: A lot of our fan clubs have charitable events during
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the season and they list you know when that's happening.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: So you, as president of the club, you would register
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: yourself as the administrator. You have access, you have control
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: of the page. The only thing you can't change are
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: the names of the members. Those you have to request
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: us to change because we you know, we have to.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: So what you do is, okay, I've added five members
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: three months from now to send us the new spreadsheet
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: and we'll verify it and upload that so that you know, uh,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: you know, your your membership stays current. And then once
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: we do that, all your members will receive the newsletter
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: that goes out that we sent to all fan club members,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: and you also get discounts and things like that. So
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: that's how you do it. You just have to get
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: ten a minimum of ten members, send it to us,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: create your account on the fan club registry, and you're
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: off to the races.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: So what happens if you only have like eight eight members?
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: Is that like a like a gang?
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not a club. Not a club. Yeah, it's gathering
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: a mini club. So you have to get two more members.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah okay, and you can't just you just threaten people.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: So you will join this club.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm not saying you have to, but if
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: you don't, you know, things could happen.
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: Rights, it's in your best interests.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Right, you wouldn't a fire go off in your your store,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: Wow, you just took it to a dark place.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Sure, all right, so good good stuff. I like it.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: We're taking care of some business here, speed rights in Samanta. Question,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: at what point do you can clue a player is
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: officially injury prone? He puts in quotes, good one. Are
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: we there yet with Gonzo has That's a good one.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: More of a finesse corner in college. So I wonder
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: if we're seeing the consequences of physicality in the NFL
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: for that kind of player.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: So I would say that about this, A soft tissue
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: injury might be a little bit different. But I think
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: your larger point I think is worth talking about. I
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: don't know, well, when when do you have. Does a
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: guy go from Ah, it's too bad if you could
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: just stay healthy to be on now he's injury prone, right,
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know, yep, And you know it's
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: it's an unfortunate thing.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: A lot of people bristle at that term because they
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: just think it's bad luck.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: Well, they also think you're kind of calling the guy soft, right,
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: And I'm not necessarily saying every guy that suffers a
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: lot of injuries is soft. Some are, right, but I'm
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: not necessarily saying all guys that are injury prone. You know,
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: Rob Grogkowski was injury prone. Yeah, but I don't think
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: anybody would call him a soft player, right, right, right?
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: He was just part of the reason he got injured
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: a lot is because he wasn't he didn't shy away
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: from contact. Travis writes in although it came at my expense,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I'd like to commend Pat in Agawam for being less
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: boring yesterday than he normally is. However, as usual as
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: contribution to the show fell flat. Although I routinely take
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: swipes at Pat's lack of intrigue and question why he's
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: a featured component of your show, I've never used a
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: nasty tone, nor stooped to name calling like he did yesterday.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Most would agree that my email about Dion Lewis was
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: more thought provoking than Pat's tedious Super Bowl prediction that
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: no one cares about during what he called Vikings coach
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: McConnell instead of O'Connell. Following up, I think averaging fifteen
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: touches per game is a lot harder to achieve than
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: you're making it out to be. More Travis, more Christian,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: more eldrit less pat. So we were talking about how
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: many touches Henderson might have.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I listen, game scripts can vary, you know,
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: we know that sometimes the game's gonna declare in a
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: different way and you're not going to be able to
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: do everything that you want to do. This is not
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: a steadfast you have to get them fifteen touches every game.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: But I'd be surprised if the Patriots don't look at
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: this and Josh McDaniels, you know, and we want to
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: get Henderson involved every game if we can somewhere between
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: ten and fifteen touches. We don't want him to run down.
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: We don't want to give him fifteen seventeen carries between
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: the tackles every game. But you know, and touches also,
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: you know that can be you know, a kickoff return, yep,
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: you know, And I think that what you actually you
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: how you quantify it too. It's not even just touches.
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: Sometimes it's targets.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: You might get them five or six carries, and you
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: might throw the ball in his direction five or six times,
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: and all of a sudden, that's how you get the
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: twelve you know, combined. But I get what he's saying.
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: You can't necessarily control that every week. Sometimes the game
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: gets out of hand and you're not able to do
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: what you want to do.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: You know, if you fall behind, maybe you're throwing more
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: passes to Henderson, he's getting all the touches. Maybe you
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: get a big lead and you want to run the
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: ball the whole second half, and Henderson's really not as
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: big a part of.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: That, right, right, right, yep. I have to do another
• 59:21
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• 59:25
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 16: So just you know, where do you see him at
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  Speaker 17: for us in terms of his growth in the system
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 17: and our offenses growth together. So just to encourage by
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 17: what we're doing every day. I really like the trajectory
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  Speaker 17: that we're on.
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  Speaker 4: What's the learning to it good like for him?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: You know, it's obviously work in progress.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: But yeah, you need to go about it.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean he he works extremely hard every day
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 17: to be prepared for each practice. And he's a quick learner,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 17: that's for sure. And the biggest thing we've tried to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 17: talk about since we got to get on the grass
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 17: in the spring is to try to limit the number
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 17: of repeat airrors.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: You know, if we if we make an air that's
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: that's not a bad.
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  Speaker 17: Thing, that's a good thing as long as we learn
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 17: from it and don't repeat it again. So he's pretty
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 17: quick study in that regard. He's got a great memory.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 17: You know, sometimes when football things happen one day and
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 17: they might not happen again for two three weeks, but
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 17: you know, you still got to try to process that
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 17: in the moment and do it when it's when it counts.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 17: So just again excited about him the whole group in
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 17: terms of their willingness to learn from their mistakes and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 17: then come out and get better the next day.
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  Speaker 5: To what these guys can.
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  Speaker 9: You mapped it out and trapped it out, and now
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 9: you've seen whether or not courts you wanting process.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, I think so, And I think that will probably
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 17: continue to go on through training camp and then usually
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 17: that's gonna probably. Uh, the evolution of what you do
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 17: with these guys will continue during the season, especially the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 17: first year together. And so I think we've uh, you know,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 17: like today we're trying some new things with different people,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 17: you know, and now that we have a better understanding
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 17: of each guy's skill set, how much they can process,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 17: who can play multiple positions, the types of things that
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 17: they do well on first and second down maybe different
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 17: than what they do well on third down in the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 17: red zone, same thing. So we're just we're really trying
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 17: to hone in on what they do well and what
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 17: they do best, and then continue to try to grow
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 17: and build from there.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 8: Josh quarterback Drake obviously have a lot of technician ability
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: out without position to sort.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 14: Of proven some with that fine line WHI playing.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 12: The hero by damn just sort of quite another building.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: Is that a tough to sort of straddle?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 17: Hopefully it won't be a tough line to straddle. I
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 17: think he's still learning, you know, all of those things.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 17: You know, he's like, you know, he's such a gifted athlete,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 17: and I think you know a lot of guys that
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 17: play this position that have ability to throw it but
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 17: also to move and make place with their legs and
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 17: extend plays. Uh, they have to find that line themselves. Honestly,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 17: we can tell them all we want, you know, don't
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 17: make a bad play, you know what I mean. And
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 17: I'm gonna be the first one in the end zone
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 17: when he extends a play. And you know, we all
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 17: saw the one to pop, you know, early in training camp,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 17: and you know, if I was telling him to throw
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 17: that away, I'd have been pissed at myself, you know
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 17: what I mean. So I think you know he's I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 17: would say this, He's definitely more aware as we go
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 17: into this training camp and the next practice and all that.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 17: You saw him slide a couple of times the other night,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 17: which was great. So again there's a there's a fine
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 17: line between holding onto the ball too long in certain
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 17: situations and then doing the right thing to help the team.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 17: And those of those guys that were blessed with that ability,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 17: they're the ones that have to go out there and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 17: learn how to do that and balance it the.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 16: Way he was able to create this Like last year,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 16: dropped was a real threat for that offense. Do you
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 16: have like a number in mind for you or Mike
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 16: or both that like, okay, we don't want to see
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 16: this in terms of carries for him, because then we
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 16: might be asking for trouble.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, I mean, we don't have that.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 17: We haven't talked about that, but I think you know,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 17: he had four hundred and some yards rushing last year
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 17: on no designed runs, you know. So I think the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 17: reality is is, you know, those loose plays are hard
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 17: to predict when they're going to come up. You know,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 17: like the other night, we didn't call a pass play
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 17: for him to scramble for a first down, but he
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 17: did and it was a good play. So I think
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 17: he just has to understand when there's nothing there and
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 17: he has an opening, you know, what to do with
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 17: the ball. I think he's really improven in that area
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 17: and understanding his value to the team is when he's healthy.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: And so I think that's what we're all talking about.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 17: So h players that have the ability to do both, Uh,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 17: they have to be smart about it because when coach
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 17: ray Ba always says, you know, we're going to protect
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 17: the team, you know what I mean? And whether that
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 17: you play running back and you protect the ball, or
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 17: you make a great decision off the field, or you're
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 17: the quarterback and you scramble and you decide to slide.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 17: You know, all of those things are protecting the team,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 17: and so I think Drake is definitively looking to try
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 17: to do that.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: You know, every time he has the ball in his hands, what.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: Are your thoughts on it and running it context their mind?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: Because yeah, I've never done it, doesn't mean that I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: wouldn't do it.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 17: I think it depends on if you feel like you
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 17: need that to gain additional inertia and move the ball forward. Obviously,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 17: the Eagles are exceptional at it and have been for
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 17: a few years now. I don't dislike to play again.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 17: I think each team is probably gonna make their own decision.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 17: One thing I think it is is it's not an
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 17: easy play to practice in full pads and get good
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 17: at because we're obviously not going to create a bunch
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 17: of scrums on the practice field with our own defense,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 17: you know, and risk injuries and those kind of things.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 17: So you're gonna have to find creative ways to do
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 17: that if you're gonna do it. And I'm sure defending
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 17: it is much the same conversation. You know, how do
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 17: we defend this if we're not allowed to dive at
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 17: the center's legs and you know what I mean, all
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 17: the things that defenses try to do to stop it.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 17: So you know, we'll look at everything that may help
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 17: our team win, and you know, certainly Rapes will make
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 17: the final decision on things like that.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 10: Like you've been asked this before, but when it comes
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 10: to the risk reward nature of Drake's game, specifically when
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 10: it comes to extending plays, is there anything you found
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 10: yourself having to do differently as a coach, knowing you've
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 10: coached a lot of quarterbacks, but perhaps not one with
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 10: this particular skill.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 17: Not really, because I think you as a coach, you
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 17: have to you have to coach each play as if
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 17: they're not going to run past the quarterback and give
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 17: him a lane to take off and run with the ball.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 17: I think that's kind of a happening, if you know
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 17: what I mean. It's you know, you you happen to
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 17: It's like a hole in one in golf, you know
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 17: what I mean. Like none of us are hitting it
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 17: to go in the hole, but sometimes I haven't never
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 17: done it, but every once in a while to go
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 17: in and you'll go, wow, that was great, you know
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 17: what I mean. So I think to me, when he scrambles,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 17: hopefully it's under the right circumstances. I thought you saw
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 17: him the other night and a few of those things
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 17: hang in the pocket and do the right thing, you know.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 17: So we have to coach as if the defense is
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 17: going to play good defense, and we're going to need
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 17: to maintain our posture as a pastor passer and and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 17: try to find the open receivers, which I think he's
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 17: done a great job of. And again in training camp,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 17: it's hard to simulate those things because you know, we
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 17: don't run with the ball a whole lot, you know,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 17: and scramble and all the rest of it.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: So we'll see. It'll be a work in progress during
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: the season.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Josh, you're curious.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 18: Sure, I know he's touched up with some more of
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 18: us special teams.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: To play, but just what kind of like what did
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: you we count that as an offensive?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: What did you see on that play? And just what
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: kind of like riot weapon?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean it's uh. I think everybody sees Trevion
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 17: the same way. You know, he's first of all, he's
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 17: a tremendous kid, awesome individual, really hard worker, smart kid,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 17: can process a lot of information, which allows you as
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 17: a coach to try to use him in the ways
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 17: that he should be used. Explosive, you know, I think
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 17: we all saw that the other night, and tough physical.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 17: So I have many negatives to say about Trey, you know,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 17: but excited to coach him.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: He he.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 17: We've had some really good players with skill sets that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 17: are somewhat like his, Maybe nobody quite as fast as
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 17: you know, Ververeen was probably the fast. Him and Danny
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 17: Woodhead were fast, but Travion's fast fast.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: So excited to be with him at all, Like.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 17: Yeah, we've seen he's seen plenty and and now he's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 17: putting it on tape too. So we use a lot
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 17: of practice film to review what we what we can
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 17: do better, and you know, obviously we have some things
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 17: we can use from the past, but certainly trying to
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 17: get these guys to do with their own selves, like
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 17: rule changes the.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 16: Cup blocks and made screens a little bit more difficult
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 16: to run the beaty, what's the key to being able
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 16: to practice?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: And next screed goes to a highway.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: I think you needed practice them at full speed.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 17: So whether it's in a joint practice or some type
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 17: of a scrimmage situation, I think those are always good.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 17: And then you know, we called a few in the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 17: game the other night just to it's hard to it's
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 17: hard to simulate that in shells without a full speed
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 17: rush and all the rest of it. When the when
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 17: the rushers have to pull off the quarterback, you know,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 17: it's not the same. So I think, you know, as
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 17: many of those as we can practice and work on,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 17: I think that's the best situations. Hopefully we can run
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 17: a few here this week against Minnesota, see how they go,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 17: but coaching off of them, and then when we get
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 17: to the regular season, obviously we'll have an opportunity to
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 17: do it against real competition each week and hopefully we
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 17: know what we're trying to get out of the play.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 17: The lack of cutting and all that, I mean, it
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 17: kind of goes both ways. You know, they're not allowed
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 17: to cut us on tosses and all that. We're not
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 17: allowed to cut them on screen, So you know, it
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 17: even out. It evens out at the end.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: Two rookies on the left side. I think our good
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: friend Mike Release had a stat hasn't been done in
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: twenty five years to.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 7: Start the season.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: What is giving you the confidence that those two guys
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: can handle what it's about to come their way now.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: I think you know, the way they work every day
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: certainly is.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 17: That's where it's where it starts, you know, and their performance,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 17: you know, they've earned that right.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: This isn't something that somebody just you know, said well,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: it's going.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 17: To do that without watching them in practice and evaluating
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 17: what's best for the team. So, you know, I think
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 17: certainly Mike has the that makes those decisions, and we're
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 17: all here to try to support the guys that are
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 17: in there and try to improve their their skill set
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 17: each day.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: But I think they've performed admirably.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 17: There's going to be some things they're going to learn
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 17: throughout the course of every game, every practice, and our
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 17: job is to help them improve.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: And so, uh that's what we're gonna do.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 17: Uh We're not gonna get frustrated with a mistake here
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 17: or there, and we're going to make sure that we
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 17: try to do everything we can to help them get better.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 17: And uh, so far, those guys have made progress steadily
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 17: throughout the course of their time here.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 10: Josh Square Bradbury shared yesterday that you guys are gonna
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: game playing a little bit for Flow because he's seeing
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 10: other teams come in against flow.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: It's just his work was disaster.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 10: Just what specifically with the way Brian runs his defense
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 10: his way to most benefit.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: You guys this week, I feel like you just jinxed
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: me and here.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean we're gonna see a lot of different things,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 17: you know. So we've we've I think we've seen a
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 17: lot from our defense here, which has been great work
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 17: for us. But I also you know, this is going
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 17: to be a new They'll align in different spots. Uh,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 17: they'll pressure us in different ways that that maybe our
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 17: defense hasn't yet, And it's just it's just great to
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 17: go up there and get tested. What happens in these
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 17: practices is your rule. You find out how well you
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 17: know your rules, because you can't anticipate everything. We're not
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 17: going to have, you know, three days of meetings and
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 17: three practices Wednesday, Thursday, Friday to get ready to play them.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 17: So we're gonna have hopefully a heck of a work
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 17: day today and then get ready to meet on them
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 17: a little bit later today and tomorrow, and then go
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 17: up there and let it rip on Wednesday. And I'm
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 17: sure we're gonna learn a lot. There's gonna be some mistakes.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 17: They're almost always is both ways when you have a
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 17: joint practice. And hopefully it's similar to what we just
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 17: experienced with Washington, which is.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: A great, great day of work. Hopefully a couple of
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: days up in Minnesota. Josh, thank you, yep, thanks and
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: now great moments in.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: History. Eric and Paul show a feeling for the league.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville wins this game. They do, in fact, get that
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: I took the Houston points.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: What about the cover? I took the three and a
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: half Jacksonville by three and a half. Yeah, you took Jacksonville,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: so you want the point, you lay in the points?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: You beleeve? This gonna They're gonna win by more. He's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: winnings on both sides.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, He's winning.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: They're gonna win now. You know. Want to know why
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: I have that face?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: Some of these are not intentional?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Uh, this is your lock of the week, upset lock
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: of the week Pittsburgh over the Titans. What was the
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: spread to two?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: Huge upside too.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: They're gonna win by morn big upset.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: The New England money's not coming in, so that worries me.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: That worries me in this game? What do they know
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: what do they know? But I'm gonna say nothing. They
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: know nothing. I thought you were gonna say nothing. Yeah,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: and he's done that plenty. Yeah, Patriots prevail twenty eight
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: nineteen Patriots.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: My favorite part of the friend is when he when
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: he gives picks on games that there's some thought to
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: like that one. Right, He's tortured for a minute and
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: then it's really you go either way, and then stays
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: away for a two score win.
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  Speaker 17: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another great moment.
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  Speaker 2: like in the locker room? Hay, Mike, what was it
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: like in the locker room? It's all right, Mike is
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: one of the air. I love that so great.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 6: Good vibes, good vibes, pre practice guys strapping on the
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: pads getting ready for a day of work.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Uh, that was good.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: It was good.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: Little from Austin Hooper, Mac Collins and uh and Will
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: Campbell as well, which Will Campbell scrum kind of happened.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: I couldn't burrow my way into here, so that one
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: didn't quite catch everything I would have liked to.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 7: But overall, everybody, I think just excited to get this
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 7: thing rolling. That's like we all are. You're preparing for
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: the unknown.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: As Rabel said, Uh, Mike Collins kind of echoed that,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: you know, we'll just see what happens and let's, you know,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 6: see if our identity carries over.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: That was this thing.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 7: You know, we're gonna be the kind of team that
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: that we think we want to be.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: So Paul and I were talking before you got here
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: this year Open locker room is before practice. In the past,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: it's been after practice. You'd notice the difference.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: A little bit.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's interesting because I haven't I'm trying to
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: remember because last year we were in the REVS locker room, so.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: It might have always been. Since you've been here, it
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: may have always been before.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think Fridays have been after.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: Fridays generally are hard to get guys, and it felt
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 6: like everybody was packing up and getting.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: It because Bill has done it. You know, Bill for
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: the twenty whatever years did it a variety of different ways.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: But I think since you've been here, I think it's
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: almost always been the players are available before practice, except
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: for Fridays.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, to you a point, Yeah they were there. I
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: mean I do remember during COVID there were some late
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: of veils and that was.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: All you know, that was all atual online anyway.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm still kind of getting a feel for the
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: locker room and like how last year it was different
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: and we had set interviews and we're back to kind
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: of free for all scrum style, and I think.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: Before practice is better. But I definitely see the drawbacks
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: both ways, because before practice they're trying to get dressed
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: and get out practice before they get in trouble. After practice,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: obviously they're trying to get undressed and get out, but they.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Still have to have forty five minutes.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So I just I feel like generally guys
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: are pretty welcoming and warm around the locker room, and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: we weren't really in there much last year after a
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 6: certain point. But I would say generally speaking, Mac Collins,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: you know, Splaine Morgan, Moses, just.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 7: Some of those guys, they seem very happy to talk
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: and music playing a little more, not to the extent
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 7: that there has been in the past. They scent there
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 7: has been in the past.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: Then I'm not getting pumped up for practice, but you
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: know there is I think generally, just like I said,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: the overall overshadow of it all.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Any indications of board games.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: Not that I saw today, you know, with lots of
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: PB and J's and on crustables in there though, like
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: homemade on crystals.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 7: And I did some Gonzales walk through and it seems
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 7: like he's working out.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: I don't know what it means, but he's definitely not
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: in the you can't do anything planned, so maybe that's
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 6: a positive sign for Weet two down the road.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: All right, back to your comments and emails podcasts at
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Patriots dot is the email address Ted and Las Vegas
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: rites in. He thinks this is an interesting stat. On
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: July twenty fourth, Caesars sportsbook had the Patriots plus seven
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: thousand in the Raiders plus nine thousand to win the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Now the odds are Patriots plus eight thousand
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: and the Raiders are plus forty five hundred. So the
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Patriots went up a thousand, the Raiders went down by
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: haf from nine thousand to forty five hundred. The Raiders
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: improvement might be due to being in Las Vegas, where
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: Caesars is. The Patriots worsards are probably your reflection on
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: how their preseason went. What do you say? What do
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: the sharps know? That's interesting?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: I mean we've speculated about all this stuff, like when
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: the line starts to move, what does it mean?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think a lot of I think the
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: Patriots generally get a lot of money. I don't think
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: the Raiders would. I don't think the Raiders have a
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: lot of fans in Vegas.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: How do you feel if you're a Raiders in right now?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: You know, like.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: I'd be I'd be excited about it. But Fred makes
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: a good point about the Gino Smith Bridge guy, like,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: I'd feel better about it if they had Drad May.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: And plus Carroll's super old and you can't imagine.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't worry about that because the coaches are interchangeable. Like,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: if you don't have the talent, you don't have the talent,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: but you have the talent right now, I'd be much
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: more worried about the Bridge got No, they don't have
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: the talent.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: They're saying, like, you've got a couple pieces though, yeah, yeah,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: And that's what I would be excited about. I feel
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: like they have a few, like like Mike said, like
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: Rabel said, you know they have they have some impressive
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: skill position guys to build around if you can get
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: a quarterback now. So they're doing it kind of differently
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: than some other team. You know, Washington got Daniels and
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: they're trying to put the team around him. Patriots obviously
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: got May. Now they're trying to put the team around him.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: The Raiders saying, let's see if we can get some
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: pieces around him and then find the quarterback. Next year
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: is supposed to be a draft where there's a lot
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: of potential first round pick. Some people think as many
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: as five or six first round quarterbacks potentially. Doesn't mean
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: you're going to get a good one. Yeah, doesn't mean
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: you're going to get a good one. So that's where
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: Fred's point about the difference between the two approaches right
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: now is Geno Smith is a bridge guy, and that
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: would worry me, But Carol, I think is a good
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: guy to be with Gino Smith in the bridge. When
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: you get a quarterback, hopefully you're going to figure out
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: who you coaches, Chip Kelly maybe maybe who knows, who
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: knows it Just it's just a different approach.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was, you know, it's not knowniced ince Chicago's
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: roster and just how they've kind of it done it
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: and you know, adding Colston Loveland who was injured and
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: you know last year getting a Dunez but it's still
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: just continuing.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: To add Peace Weston. Loveland's hurt.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 7: Now, he was hurt all summer.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he's to know now I think
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 6: I think he is ready to go, But it was
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: a little bit of a projection at that point when
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: he was drafted.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 7: I remember with the combine he had his whole his
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 7: whole arm in hisling.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: But you know, between them and Detroit and you see
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: some of these teams that just continue to add intriguing
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: offensive talent, and they have it coming up through the pipeline.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 7: And I just love to get to that point where you.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: Know, even if somebody goes down, well we still got
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: this guy kind of coming in and they're insulated. Whereas
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: the Raider is just such an extreme example of having.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: Brock Bowers the number one, and then Jacobe Myers is
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 7: a really solid player. But I think they're hoping that
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: those other guys develop, but it's not the same.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Some of those teams just have a.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: Lot of talent.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: Dan and Poughkeepsie writes in as an avid listener of
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: the show, I constantly have it on in my car
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: with my girlfriend, who's from New Jersey and a big
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: Jets fan. After being exposed to the podcast, she was
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: quick to dislike Paul for his argumentative nature and volume. However,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: that's fair. She has fully come around to the Great
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: White snark. The start of the turnaround was fair. The
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: turnaround was simple. Paul was referring to a football game
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: in which the Commanders made many mistakes down the stretch,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: ultimately costing them the game. Paul described the situation as
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Washington pooping all over themselves. The final verbal gesture to
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: put him as the favorite of the show came last
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: last week. Paul knew the difference between Newark, New Jersey
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: in Newark, Delaware as a proud Delaware Blue hen alump.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: She was impressed and has become the most recent member
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: of the Paul Fanker. Well, nobody knows, you know, low
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: level college sports, CIA sports.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: It's fine Australia. I've actually been to Newark, Delaware on
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: the campus of Delaware. They used to host the basketball
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: tournament way back in the day and I covered it
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: for the Herald two or three years.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: My sister was a Blue hen Oh really did.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Not know that he was.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: But that's generally the way it works. Hatred, followed by
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: you know what, he's not so bad, don't you Usually
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: I just wear him down.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: What does your brother say? You're like a toothache that's
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 7: t all.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Tooth Just don't go away. Kyle from Pembroke. I think
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: the Patriot's biggest modern rival right now is the Bills.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: We were talking about rivals. They're eight and three, hammer
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: and nail. Yeah, they're eight and three against us since
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Brady left, and their rise is correlated with our fall.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: Not to mention one of those in Hurricane in another
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: and again the Patriots were trying to lose.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Not to mention with the hatred between the fan bases,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: they're clearly the biggest rival. The closest, i'd say, is
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: the Colts. We have athletic quarterbacks drafted in the top
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: five of the draft and we hope could be the
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: franchise quarterback. Both franchises fell from grace since the twenty tens,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: and games are still close with the fans still hating
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: each other. I don't know about that even with the Bills. Like,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: you know, that gets into that whole thing about rivals,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: like do you have to be kind of evenly matched
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: to truly be a rivalry? You know, for years, Red
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Sox fans considered the Yankees their biggest rival. Yankees fans
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: are like, we don't even.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: Care who and you know, you know, but the Yankees
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: hated the Red Sox too, Like don't you have to
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: have hatred on both sides? Yes, the Bills, the Bill's
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: rival right now, is not the Patriots, right it's the Chiefs, right, right, right.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: I don't even think the Patriots will be in the
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: top five.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: No, I agree.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: Would you call any of those guys rivals when the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: Patriots were one in the AFC East.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: When Brady wainst Buffalo, it was Pittsburgh. It was the
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: Colts Pittsburgh and the Colts with the two big rivals.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: So you don't have rivals when you stink? Is that
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 7: that fair to say?
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 5: Well? You you think you do, but you's it's like
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 5: that you know that cartoon with you know, Spike, you
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: know Jesus Pals, right, Spike, just like running around China
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: like you know, it's like Andy Hartt like you heels,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: go away kid, you bothered me.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: So maybe that's you know, we want to get back
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: into rivalry setting with with the Dolphins and yeah, yeah,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 6: in a competition with them too, Like the Dolphins.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: You keep saying it you have like goals in your mind,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: mic and your great is it asking too much? Can
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: we beat Miami just once? When was the last time
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: the Patriots beat Miami?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 7: Now to yeah?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: I mean the one that I think you know can
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: go on both sides is when the Patriots are in
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: the dynasty, always beating the Jets. But then Rex Ryan
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: took over as the head coach the going all of
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: a sudden, All of a sudden, they started competing, and
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: you have this.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: Was rivalry adjacent at least welcome.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed those like Rex.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: Took it as the Patriots are number one rival and
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 5: we did the whole go away, kid, you bothered me.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden they beat us a
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: couple of times and we said, okay, we got to.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Take this seriously.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: And then they never won again. Right now, you just
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: can't leave.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: I liked those years.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, it was rest driving, drive you nuts, but
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 7: it was great for the rivalry and.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: Ryan so much juice for eleven.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: It was good theater. God did he annoy me, it was,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: but it was good. It was good drama. It was
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: good drama.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: So mad.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 6: I still remember the lead up into that, like nine
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: and oh he just so wanted to beat that so bad.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 7: And then Wes Welker wasn't gonna play or not.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: I just remember I've said it before, walking down to
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 6: like get my coffee before the game and.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: Trying so mad.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: That was the players in ten.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 7: Oh, that one too.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: It was a division a round game that was tough.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: He wasn't hurt.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: He was Lucy Wright Soldier. My dad and I both
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: listened to the podcast and our washer just broke down.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: He's thinking of buying another brand besides Speed Queen. Please
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: convince him that Speed Queen is worth the extra charge.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: I just got a Samsung and I'm very very happy
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: with it. Okay, I have Samsung Washer and dry.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: How long have you had it?
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: I just got it just I literally just said I
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: just got.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: It anyway, No, I in year it. Just if you
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: have a big family like some of like the Samsung LG,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: and you need all the bells and whistles, Speed Queen
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: may not be the way to go.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: I don't have bells and whistles.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: You don't have bells and whistles on.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: Your e Maybe nester now, maybe a whistle.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: So why did you get the Speed Queen because I don't.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: Want to Speed Queen.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 14: Why?
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: Why sounds expensive? It isn't.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: That's the point.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: I got it really cheap. I got it really cheap.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: You just have to put quarters in it every time
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: you want to use it. It sounds like it sounds industrial.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: They do have a model that the laundrymats us because
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: they don't break down quarters. They don't break down. Damn
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: machine took my quarter. You know, look at your drum.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: What's it made of? Probably plastic?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: No, it's metal.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Oh it's steel.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if it's steel, but it's some
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: kind of It have to.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: Be something that doesn't rush. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: fair point.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm not the brightest ball on the tree
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: yet it's gonna get wet.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: He looked at me with.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: We're on his side of the street and try talking dryers.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: I know, I felt like I was you know, usually
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: I'm all snarky. I was on the defensive there. I
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: don't know what I was doing anyway. Well, no, I'm
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: not going to tell your dad what to do. But
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: if if you look in and it's they're not that expensive.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: If you're looking for something that is.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: What's not that expensive, like regular household the house afore.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: It's been so long since I bought it because it
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't break down?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: Husband, wife, two point three kids, what's what do you
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: think that's?
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. I'm not I haven't been in
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: the market for a while. Let's price this.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: Out, because I want to see if I like, I
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: actually didn't even see any speech queens.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Well, you have to go
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: to certain places.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: You get a knock on the door.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: If you go to the big box stores.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: They don't big box scores don't have So I did
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: get it at a big box, Yeah.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: They don't have those. You got to go to the
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: appliance store.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which I've generally done in the past, and I
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: would wholeheartedly agree with your theory of you're much better
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: off going to the appliance stores. Unfortunately, they're going.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to find them, hard to find.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: The ones that the one that I got all my
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: appliances when we first bought our house is gone.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, jeez, I mean these are some of these pretty
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: nice though. For the combo, I mean you're talking almost
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: three grand for the high end, you know, twenty six incher,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: but you go a little smaller.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: Did you have a thirteen comedy?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: I paid less than half that.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, less combinations for both washer and the drive.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, so I paid about that. Then if you're
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: you know, you're going to go in reasonable six six
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: hundred or so, for one or the other.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: So we'll see if your dad wants to call in,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: we can talk.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: Fred will talk you through it and he'll take care
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: of you. What do I gotta do to get you
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: in this speed Queen by the end of the show.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Now, listen the way I found out about him. I
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: was in the market. This is years ago, and I
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: was in Foxboro and there was this little appliance guy
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: in the bot in Foxborough Center in the basement and
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: I walked in and I, you know, I was like,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: not shady at all. Yeah, I was mentioning, you know
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: the major brands. He goes, have you thought about speed Queen?
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: I said, I have no idea. I've never seen he goes,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: just check it out moment.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: Not shady at all. I'm sure they weren't running with
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: it right there.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't buy it from him, the Blackjack going. I
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: did end up buying it, but not from him.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 7: But yeah, do you need a gun to or anything
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 7: like that?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: Lett Wheel in the corner. Guy who's asking I got
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: some speed queens?
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 16: Right?
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: Who's asking? Joseph, the biggest Patriot Patriots fan in Hillsboro, Oregon,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: have a very important question for Deuce about a subject
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: that has not been covered enough. What does Mike Vrabel
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: wear a sideline for week one? Does weather play a factor?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Or is Rabes a hardo that will wear the same
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: fit every game? Will he out drip Pete Carroll? Now
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: he loves the vest and the red sleeves.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 6: I think we've seen that. You have seen some wind breakers.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 6: But I will say one other thing too. Bill Belichick
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 6: wore the cutoffs to Hoodie and he got interviewed about
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: it and he's like, yeah, that's kind of my thing,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, thank you. He always just asked like,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: I don't know, it was just hanging up in there.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: I put it on, you know.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 7: But they clearly his first game had to go with
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 7: the great cutoffs.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: So unfortunately you couldn't find one that fit.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 7: To go to the double XL.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: I think, oh, Rabel, Yeah, the Rabel will most likely
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: have some sort of vest off with the red sleeves.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: Pete Carroll will have just the mono color all that black,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: like dry fit, long sleeve shirt on that. Yeah, you
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: want to come like really active, like his life's depending
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: on you know, choose per per minute, right, That's what
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: he wore the Seahawks he always had the Seahawks blue
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: long sleeve drive fit. I'm sure.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 6: I respective Rabel's got a look and he just kind
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 6: of sticks with it. And kind of like we were
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: talking off air, I have a friend who only wore
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: black T shirts.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: Like you just you don't want to think a.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: Lot of coaches have a look and they just stick
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: with it. It's just that Belichick's was just so different.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Rape's got those long arms, and I think that, like,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 7: you know, it's.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: Accentuates the best.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like it.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: Are you going to track this now? Maybe tell the truth.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: You don't have to hide it from me. I'm going
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: to make fun of you.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 6: Probably going to make how about this. I'll start making
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: notes of what he's wearing. And if I start to
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 6: see trends and there's like some different options, but.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: You don't want to start from behind. You have to
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 6: Track it, and then it might lead to the establishment
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 6: of a Mike Vrabel vest database.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: Perhaps we'll see okay, all right, but excited.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: I just like the fact that, yes, Fred, he's already
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: given it some thought.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, oh well, I got a thing, you know, I'm.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Call from Galway, Ireland rights in. Was it just me
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: or was there an undertone of Rabel being annoyed with
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: Gonzo in the press conference? Felt to me that he
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: thought he could train but decided not to. Might be
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: reading it all wrong, but something to keep an eye on.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: I thought he was a kid just getting annoyed that
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: all they were asking about was Christian Gonzalez in week
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: one of against the Raiders. I mean at that particular moment.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he's saying generally today.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: I didn't necessarily see that, but I do think he
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: has been I think he was a little bit on Monday.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 7: Soft tissue injuries not his favorite.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Mowen, Rhode Island. Last week, Paul started talking
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: about why the Patriots aren't the Boston Patriots, but something
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: came up that interrupted the story. Could he pick that
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: back up? And ps? Foxborough was closer to Providence than Boston.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: You said that Billy Sullivan was mad.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, he got pissy because he couldn't build a
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: stadium in Boston and then they ended up moving and
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: that's why he changed it from.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: Boston here a stadium. When they made the stadium to Foxboro.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: The old Shaffer Stadium.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because for people.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know all the details because I wasn't around.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for people who weren't around back then.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: Before the Patriots played in Foxborough, they played they were nomads.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: They played at bu they played at Harvard, they played
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: one season at Fenway. So they didn't have a home.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: And like Paul said, the Sullivans were trying to build
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: something in Boston and they just couldn't get it done.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: And they had this land down here in Foxborough next
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: to the race, the horse race track, and so they
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: built you know, which basically was a dump. It was
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: actually the Bill Stadium was built at the same time.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: It's exactly the same the two of them were built.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and they're both dumps.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: Now they've added to it. Yeah, but you know, just
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: concrete bowls literally a real dump. And and uh but
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: I will say one thing for the Sullivans, they were
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: one of the first teams to start the trend of
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: naming rights for the stadium.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. I think shape the Shaffer Stadium was an endorsement deal,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: which I never actually knew growing up. Yeah, so that
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: was they they saved the way for that Mike, I
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: don't know if you know, but Schaefer is the one
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: beer to have when you're having more than one, right.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 7: Wow, if you're out there to get wasted.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: That was like the things you used to and forget about,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: like you you would advertise like cigarettes and ever else,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: but like Schaefer is the.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: One beer to have when you're having more than one.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 7: So they went out of business. I don't know is
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: it's still I mean, the land of craft beers and
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: everybody's there. There's millions of beers in that one.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: But it's amazing, like as a kid, the jingles that
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: you remember that I'm.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: Designed for right, yeah, well it's like you do all
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: the time.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: Oh when they when they hijack an old song for
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: a for a like some kind of medication or saw
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: that always those those are the worst.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 7: John and South Beer exists and Paps Brewing Company owns it.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: Owns it. Okay, makes sense, Swill.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever had a shape of beer.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: Young well it was still around.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: I don't think that would.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 7: I don't think.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: John John in South Carolina. I agree with what you're
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: saying about the rivals in Buffalo. Buffalo with the exception
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: of if a fan base buys a billboard harassing another
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: fan group, they have created a rivalry where one should
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: not exist.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: They definitely were trolling.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was agree with that.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 7: That was a couple of years ago though. I think
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 7: that was the early.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: When they first got it and it was all new
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: to them and they were, you know, feeling themselves. And
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: now the Bills have realized that, like there's not really
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: all that much joy in winning the division. You know,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: you start getting these AFC championships and real competition and
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: you're like, you're like, what do I care about? You know,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: the AFC is great, Like it's a hatt and teacher
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: game in the third, second week of December.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: A couple of years there were like they had to
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: beat Miami like on the last game of the season
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: to win the division. I'm sure that was satisfying for him.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 7: But now it's like they're tying last Jelie and they're
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: just looking at the mean he said, what were you
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 7: guys saying, how do we get past the ABC champions Back.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: In the heyday, Fred, we would have hat and T
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: shirt games in November.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 7: That's right. I don't think about you at all. Like,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 7: I don't think about once you get.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: To that point, and I don't even know, like Kobe
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: brought who you Who's he?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think about Tim, And Hilton Head thinks he's
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: going to be a smarty pants, he says. Fred looks
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: at Paul with other disgusts and claims Steele doesn't rust.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: I guess Pittsburgh shouldn't be part of the Roust Belt
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: with all that steel. The rust Belt got the name
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: because of the closed factories that all got rusted out.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Oh is that true? Yeah, I did not know that. Ohio, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cleveland.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: It's because in Buffalo. It's because all these factories along
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: the various lakes there closed up.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: And now if Google search on that, would it back
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: that up?
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: Well, stainless steel, stainless steel does not russ.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: No, I that I know, But I never knew the
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: origins of the term roust belt.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what about dustball dustbel that's part of that's right,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: during the depression, it all dried up.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: And well, so I saw a statu or something that said, again,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: this is like I picked up random information from the Internet,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 6: but it said that when the dust ball was originally settled,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 6: it was unseasonably like had been an unseasonably period of moisture,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 6: and so the land was actually falsely point and when
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: they switch and then time finally caught up, the soil
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 6: went to crap and and you know, okay, corporate covering
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 6: it all hair.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what we generally provide.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 5: In Week one of the NFL Sins and washing machines. Okay,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: fan piccon Claire Wrights in, Hello.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: Everyone, Hello Marine, I gotta see. I see all the
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: divisional teams as rivals. I don't hate equally, but Bill's,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: Finn's Jets, I hate them all.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: I would agree with that divisional rivals you're the ones
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: that you hate.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: But I really struggle to hate the Bills.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: And I don't know, maybe that's just the me problem.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: Like I still have a little hate firing me from
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 6: my fan days for the Dolphins and the.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: Jets for me Miami. I still don't like the Bills.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 6: There's just something about them that, like I see a
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 6: little bit of the Patriots in them, and the Patriots
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 6: being like the team that couldn't quite get over the
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: hump and never had that success. And then like I
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 6: don't know, there's such a passionate fan base and there's
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 6: not much up there.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 7: I know, I'm yeah, this is blasphemy right now.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: I don't hate them, you know, I.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: Don't hate really like that. Like I like Josh Allen
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 5: and I do like if they play the Chiefs, I
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: root for the Bills, you know, in those in those
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: big games, because they can't get over the hump, you know,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 5: Like I guess you're not supposed to. If you're a
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 5: Patriots fan, you should be rooting against the Bills.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 7: I don't know, Yeah, I don't think I could ever
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 7: do it for the Bills.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: I mean for the Jets or Dolphins.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's just because I like Josh, I hate I
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: hated Don Shula and then Marino came and I hate,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: like they just couldn't beat them.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: I loved Larry's hunka oh, I just love Larry that
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: a little like that before my day, well he was
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: a fullback, but I like he was like a running back,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: you know, he had a lot of carry.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: Back in those days. It was two backs in the
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: backfield at the same time that both both carried the ball. Yeah,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: like Rocky Blyer and Franco Harris.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: Mercury Morris and Larry Zanka and they had Jim. Yeah,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: that was a good offense. Damien from kirk Island, first
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: time listener, Uh, longtime listener, first time reaching out. I've
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: been watching a lot of Patriots and Tom Brady documentaries
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: over the years, and I heard the word intangibles being
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: used to describe the hidden qualities that Brady possessed that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: made the guy such a killer both on and off
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: the field. My question is, have you or any of
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: the crew seen intangible qualities among the present group of
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: Patriots players and coaches which show potential for greatness that
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: we as fans would not be able to observe in
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: reports or see in the Forged in Foxborough documentaries, which,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: by the way, episode three drop last week. Go to
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: YouTube watch it. Get ready for the season. It's awesome.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: What do you think, anybody that you.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 6: Just saying if you found a tangible and tangible that
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 6: you could maybe point out.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 7: I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure I can you know, but I understand
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: what his point is. Just give you the vibe?
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, did Brady give you guys the vibe? In
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 7: two thousand when you're like two.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: Thousand, but.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 7: Vibe right.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know if there's a guy that maybe.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, Henderson looks like a stud, but that is tangible.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: He runs really fast and he just is active every
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 6: time I've seen him play.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 7: So I'm not I don't know.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: I mean I would say, like ke On White has
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 6: like looks like he has some intangibles, but I haven't
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: seen yet.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, he looks like it all pro I mean
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: just getting off.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: The bat in tangibles like kind of like what you
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: how you would describe like what Jabrill Pepper's sort of
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: getting the team all jacked up, you know, the defense
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: ready to go, Like maybe he's not the best safety
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: in football, but he's got some inspiration behind him. Those
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: kinds of players.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know I could.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know if this applies, but I
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: would just say I think the well.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: How would you define intangible? Like what are if you
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: had to list something considered intangible?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 7: What a certain energy that a guy brings to the
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 7: building that you feel is.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: Leader the leadership quality to him, A guy who gets
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: more out of his ability than the some you know,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: kind of the some of the parts, like it's intangible,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: So it's kind of hard to define you guys.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 6: I'll say Morgan Moses just to him, he like I
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 6: said yesterday, he's very talking to everybody. He stops by
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 6: the wide receivers.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 7: He's chatting them up.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 6: And the other guy that I think is an interesting
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 6: intangible guy is Mac Hollins in that very confident.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: But I just I wonder how it's all going to translate.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: With I would maybe throw Roberts Laying into this mix,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: but I love you two picks make I think that's
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: exactly how I'm I mean, I guess everybody thinks of
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: that word.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: A little bit. That's the thing. And you're gonna yell
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: at me, I won't yell, promise. I think when we
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: talk about in comparisons, the word intangible is misused. It
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: should be something it's hard to put a finger on. Yeah,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: But like you see the matchups and say, okay, intangibles
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: coaching this way, whether those aren't intangible, those are tangible.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: You know, like you either have better coaching or you know.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: So I'm not I understand what you're saying. But like
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: when they say like coaching, you can't necessarily identify why
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: this guy is better in this situation than that guy.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: You just know he in general has been better in
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: those situations. Okay, I thought weather, whether it's not like,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: well it's raining, the weather's a tangible it's this team
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: has proven in the fact, it doesn't matter what the
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 5: conditions are, like the Brady Patriots could beat you in
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: any weather except for extreme heat. That was a scryptonite.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: That's the one. But like you know, but like a
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: good leader, well that's tangible. Well no, it's really not.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: How like I think Morgan Moses is exactly the way
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: you just said.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: We walked in this room, we said this is the
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: time we would follow.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: It was a tangible to me, it was an intangible.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: Intangible is something I can't I know my finger on
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: why this guy is a leader, Like.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: I understand what you're saying. Nobody, you're taking it too far? Now,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 5: I do I get it because I was struggling with
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: I think it's an intangible quality, Like you can't where
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: do you put it? Like, well, how much is that worth? Yeah,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: that's it's it's intangible. You can't quantify it. The guy's
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: a good leader. Does that really help? He had the
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: right thing to say. I don't know if it was
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: the right thing to say. It seemed like the right
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: thing to say.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: Where do I put that in it?
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 6: I feel it's intangible. We're gonna get into talk about
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: aura because that's a big thing. The kids and I
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 6: feel it. They like it, didn't risen. Aura is an intangible, right.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 7: I don't know, he's just got he's got an r
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 7: about him. I'd say that I get some of the
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 7: other ones.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: I get the point, but I think a lot of
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: that stuff would qualify as intangible.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I know what, I know what.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 7: You Morgan moses like, I just his presence when he
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 7: walked in, you know, I mean.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 10: It was.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: What does that worth?
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: What does that worth?
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: If it's tangible, there's a quality to it, there's a
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: quantity to it. Is like you can't you can't put
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: your finger on just that guy's a guy who's a leader.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: That guy's quiet.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: You can see it.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: There's a difference. But I don't know what we either
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: one is. Does that mean that one guy is worth
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: more than the other? No, Like, let's say two guys
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: of the exact same ability. One guy has the leadership
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: quality and one guy is very quiet. One guy is
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: Kyle Duger. One guy's Morgan Moses, but the same exact talent.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: It's intangible. I don't know who's worth more, but one
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: guy has a leadership to him. That's, you know, bring
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: in some intangible value. Good question, right, it is a
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: good question. But I don't know. I think Might came
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 5: up with two good examples of Morgan Moses and Mac Collins.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 6: And you and you brought up Splaine too, and that's,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 6: you know, three guys that you're hoping are going to
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 6: help change the culture.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: And where's Evan. He's going to come back in practice now,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: I know, but he's supposed.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: To come back.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 7: He will, but they're probably I thought they only could.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: Watch a certain amounts the other day. They were out
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: there for almost twenty What is.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: He doing now? No, he's conferring with Barth and Taylor Kyles, No,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: I comparing notes.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 7: Promise you, Fred, as soon as Evan is able to
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 7: be back in here, I'm sure you will.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: Okay, But you need that practice update.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, everybody does. We need it from eyes that
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: saw it. Todd and Garner writes in so glad, I'm
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: back home from a holiday in Minneapolis. Now I get
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: to listen to you guys live. What's this now? Oh, okay,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: we'll read that in a second. I really feel that
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: the game will come down to two basic things, mistakes
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: and coaching. Patriots have more coaching talent and if they
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: can minimize mistakes, turnovers and penalties, I absolutely believe that
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: our guys will win thirty five to twenty three, with
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: the Raiders getting a junktie like.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 5: Just a greed.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: I disagree too. I don't know if the Patriots have
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: a coaching edge in this game. Pete Carroll is one
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: of the best coaches in the league. And now we
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: don't know about Chip Kelly, but Patrick Graham has been.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 5: A going When talking about coaching, it's Pete Carroll and
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: Mike Grabel and Pete Carroll's resume is better than Mike grabeles.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: He Carroll's a Hall of Fame coach. I don't know
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: if he'll end up in the Hall of Fame, but
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: he has a Hall of fame resume. Yeah, we'll see
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 5: what Mike Rabel ends up being. He says, what you're six,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: You're seven, right?
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: Mike Carroll has won a super Bowl in the NFL.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 7: Like am I crazy?
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: I just think like, as a player, if I have
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 6: a young guy like Mike Rabel coming in, I'm like, yes,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: this is a team I want to be part of.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 7: If I'm the Raiders and I had Josh McDaniels.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 6: And then he's gone, and then you know, we're smoking
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 6: cigars with Antonio Antonio Peers and it's a party. And
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 6: now they bring in the oldest coach in the whole league,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, like, is this are we on another jack.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: To grossly underestimating Pete Carroll?
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, saying but to me as a player like that in.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: There, because when Pete Carroll left here, I was no
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: huge fan of his coaching. I was a really big
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: fan of the person. But I think he's developed into
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: a really good coach. I think he's a good mix
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: of the hard line and player coach, which I think
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 5: Vrabel is trying to get. Rabel's players in Tennessee did
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 5: not love him. Yeah, I think he's trying to sort
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: of change that mentality a little bit here. I think
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: there's a lot.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 6: I didn't mean that in any way a shot at
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 6: Pete Carroll. I just mean it's like a player looking
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 6: at where's our organization going.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. Pete Carroll's practices are as
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: competitive as they can get in the NFL, and he
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: reads it one of the hardest in the league. That's what.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 6: Maybe I'm wrong, but I mean, would you feel the
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: same about Bill if Bill went to another NFL.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't want any part I've ever played for Bill,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: but just for that. But I would love to play
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: for Pete Carroll. The way the players talk about it,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: I would love to play for Andy Reid. I totally
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: hear it, and I think they're I don't know what
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: the mentality you're talking about. If I was on the Patriots,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: i'd feel better because my coach potentially could be here
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: for a while. I just feel like, but if it works,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: he's only going to be there another couple of years.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: That's what you're saying.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you for boiling it down to the
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 7: way I mean.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: I think that's inarguable. And he's the oldest coach in football,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: right right. I don't know how you can have a
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 5: logical argument to say Carol's not on the back nine,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: right right, But I.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 6: Agree with your point of Like, I mean, for me
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: liking to play for kind of those kind of coaches
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 6: like absolutely like and I can pay.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:50:26
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• 1:50:29
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• 1:50:36
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• 1:50:54
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• 1:50:56
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• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: was doing well from the week before, and.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 5: You can flex on us when you don't want to
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: hear it.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: I don't want to hear it. If your picks are.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 5: Better than mine, Mike's going to have a big year issue.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: I can, I can. I can feel it. Mike's gonna
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: have a feel for the league.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 7: I'm want to study the tape. I'm gonna grind the tape.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: A little more.
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• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So come in.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: I know they had practice the other day. They were
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: out there for about twenty minutes. So if it's one thirty,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: it's only fifty.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: Started at one thirty.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Mike just went to the locker room for
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: a little while and then he came in here. I know, practice,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: the practice window was scheduled to start at one.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: Evan doesn't actually move that fast, so.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 5: No, you know, he's he's sort of like a three
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: toed sloth, isn't it.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: He kind of wattles around.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 5: I was stunned today when Mike and I were in
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: the bullpen chatting and in walks evident like nine thirty,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: It's like.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: Whoa, Like, where's that coming?
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: One?
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: Because he had a because he had a ten catch
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: twenty two engagements, right Dana Virginia in Michigan.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: Just to keep the runoff run of off season nonsense
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: subject going even though it's football Wednesday just brought up
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: the old songs being brought back as jingles for medications.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: As a regular watcher of Jeopardy, I see a steady
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: string of commercials for medications, even of even each of
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: those medications has a name like a bad Hand and scrabble.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: They all have seven letters, one vowel usually a high
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: point value but difficult to use letter like k or z.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: So it's so inconsistent that almost seems like an industry rule.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: We know PU nation has an expert, is an expert
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: on anyone? Does anyone know the answer to this admittedly
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: very niche question, why do drugs get the names of
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: the Yeah?
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: He never is that the question?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: I guess?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: So?
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, govy.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: I think I think they have to come up with
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: a word that's never been used before.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 7: Ye, And honestly, don't.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 6: Are there people out there that were, like, I got
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 6: moderate to severe plaxoriasis and this pill looks like it
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 6: might help what I have. I'm gonna go ask my
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 6: doctor about it, because isn't that what these whole ads
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 6: are for. You're trying to target people, Oh, with these conditions,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 6: So go to their doctor, Like, gone to your doctor.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: And be like, so tell me about what we go
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 7: v Like, what's up with this?
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 7: Can you help me?
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: Right? Well?
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: I don't tell which one it is, But this is
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: an interesting thing that happened over the last couple of years.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: It was it's one of these pharmaceutical things. And they
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: had this really really catchy theme song, so catchy in fact,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: that people sued them and they had to change the
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: song like enough so that it didn't sound like the
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: one before. Same words everything, but it was just changed enough,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: so I guess it wasn't as catchy, and I forget
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: that you can.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 6: Google it right, So people are like, I don't even
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 6: have plackoriasis, but I want to get on just I
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: just want to try it.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: It just looks like they're living a great life, and
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 7: I want that life. Yeah, this is Matt Morrel handing
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 7: me something.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 6: Drug names must be unique and distinguishable from other medications
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 6: to avoid confusion and potential medical errors.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, we don't the market. Let's get back to little football.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Steve writes in why do people get upset with Drake
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: May for improvising and practicing his improvation improvisational skills during play?
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: But no one seems to care? But no one seems
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: to care when people like Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: do it. I don't know. I understand that those folks
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: are more developed in the league, but you don't get
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: there by not trying. No one huffed and puffed when
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes would try and try again and again during college.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: I just don't. I think I talk about arguing, talk
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 5: about arguing against yourself.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: I think fans want him to do it more.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 5: Who is he arguing with, Yeah, Drake May's greatest strength
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: is his mobility and his ability to make plays off platform.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 5: That's his best asset.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: Launched the ball.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: Now we're trying to figure out a way to avoid
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 5: the mistakes when doing so, or run it. By the way,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: I know that the email says the opposite. Josh Allen
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 5: dealt with constantly early in his career. Right right, is
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 5: this guy ever gonna get it? He's always thrown into
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: triple coverage. He that thinks he could do everything. He's
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: Superman out there, like yeah, right, right, Then all of
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: a sudden you tone down the mistakes, but yet you're
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: still making the plays and you become a star.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: That's what you got to do.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: But I don't think anybody criticizes Drake May because he
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 5: can run.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 6: No, I just you know, you want to make sure
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 6: he's doing it within the structure of the offense and
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 6: not just tucking and running the side.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: Don't change hands with the ball as you're getting sacked
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: and fumble. Yeah, so that's what he got criticized for.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 5: Not bet he tried to scramble out of the pocket.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: We didn't want to step on Evan's toes. But like,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: since he's probably not gonna make it, what do we
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: know from practice from the.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 6: X there's been nothing yet, really complete radio silence from
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 6: the entire media brigade right now.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 7: Wow, it did seem furious. Look at this.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: A few minutes left, he's gonna.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 7: Have to hollery, probably not even enough time to play
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: his song.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 5: Wow has been shot?
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 7: Practice and quit?
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: Evan.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: Why why the delay? First off, there's no delay, this
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: was this is the timing. So well, how long did
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: practice go for it?
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 19: Well, we were out there, got out there about one Yeah,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 19: that's until they actually let the scribes into the practice.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: Hence the delay.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 19: Current Yes, yes, okay, but no no real surprises. Christian
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 19: Gonzalez the only player not spotted that practice as.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: So he wasn't even there on the side, not yet.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: We did see him in the locker room.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 19: He was walking around the locker room, so I would
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 19: assume that he probably will get out there eventually and
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 19: to observe, but not dressed for practice.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: Not participating. Okay, So what else do we got?
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: That's it?
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 19: Honestly, it's a you know, pretty a.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: Lot of anticipation for just that. It's all I got.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 5: We're building it up something up.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 7: At least it's pretty mood.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 19: Yeah, we did to get you know, it was very
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 19: nice out today, very great weather, and so some people
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 19: were saying, oh, you know, we'll see who's still here
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 19: when it's snowing and raining in December and January.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: And I was like, we'll still be here. I mean, hey,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: don't don't worry about that. Is it a large contingent.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: It was a large contingent they're giving.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 19: They're giving Drake and Stefan Diggs after practice and like
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 19: Rabel talking this morning. So a lot of press, a
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 19: lot of media.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: Big day, Big day, excited, people are excited for a buzz.
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  Speaker 2: There's a buzz.
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  Speaker 19: I think people are ready to actually discuss a real
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  Speaker 19: football game and stop talking about you know, hypotheticals like
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  Speaker 19: the last forty minutes but.
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  Speaker 2: And you know all that stuff.
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  Speaker 19: I think we're ready to get to the actual, the
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  Speaker 19: actual games.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here's exciting.
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  Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to having a game to discuss next week.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the game that was actually played that counts right.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm supposed to read this last one.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hear it for the team. Bob's discount furniture just
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  Speaker 2: on the celebration. Make your way to your nearest store
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  Speaker 2: to shop the latest styles like the Phantom Power reclining
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  Speaker 2: sofa made for kicking back on game day, the Elm
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  Speaker 2: dining set made with real marble that's sure to impress
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  Speaker 2: the home team, and the stylish Calvin Bedroom designed to
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  Speaker 2: help you dream up your next tailgating party. Plus, you
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  Speaker 2: can enjoy free treats, limited edition stickers, and more surprises
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  Speaker 2: this Labor Day weekend, so stop in and check out
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  Speaker 2: the winning lineup at Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture
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  Speaker 2: store of the New England Patriots, and of course bud
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  Speaker 2: official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. Well, Evan,
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  Speaker 2: we hope that in future, coming back from practice, it's
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more insightful, more information.
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  Speaker 5: Work on that way, Yeah, I will work on it.
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  Speaker 2: I know you had two hours with Barth and you're
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  Speaker 2: all extende ap All right, that's it for this edition.
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  Speaker 2: We're back tomorrow our third show of the Hurry. That's
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  Speaker 2: what we do all the time, So picks tomorrow don't
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  Speaker 2: miss it.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, this is Evan.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks a lot