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Speaker 1: This one. It's got that conspiracy like you feel like
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Speaker 1: maybe you just got on a list because you saw
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Speaker 1: this thing.
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Speaker 2: Under the Dogs. Yeah, Under the Dogs, very fable were raiding.
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Speaker 2: Looks funny you got? Could they rise all the shots?
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Speaker 2: They got?
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Speaker 1: The Dogs?
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Speaker 2: Under the Dogs, Under the Dogs, Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Under the Docks, Under the Dogs, Conspiracy of Silence. This
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Speaker 1: is It's a nineteen ninety three movie directed by a
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Speaker 1: guy named Nick Gray, And we're gonna be talking about
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Speaker 1: this one in particular because it summarizes the work of
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Speaker 1: John De Camp and John de Camp wrote this book
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Speaker 1: called The Franklin Cover Up that was one of the
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Speaker 1: very first conspiracy books that sent me completely over the edge.
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Speaker 1: It was one that opened up so many different rabbit
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Speaker 1: holes that I still haven't fully recovered from. And this
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Speaker 1: movie is pretty much the documentary version of that book.
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Speaker 1: So this one is coming straight from my heart to
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Speaker 1: you guys, since again we're covering mostly conspiracy theories in
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Speaker 1: this first few different batches Under the Docks. Then we'll
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Speaker 1: get into a whole bunch of different topics. But man,
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Speaker 1: this one is probably the most influential one that I
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Speaker 1: can really even put on this list. So I'll give
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Speaker 1: you a really quick summary of what this movie's about.
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Speaker 1: It's a fifty six minute unreleased documentary produced by Yorkshire
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Speaker 1: Television for the Discovery Channel about a child trafficking ring
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Speaker 1: for elite DC politicians. It was basically leaked online sometime
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Speaker 1: in the late nineties early two thousands. Allegedly it has
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Speaker 1: sort of a risen to a cult status, and again
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Speaker 1: it summarizes everything that you might have seen or heard
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Speaker 1: from John De Camp. And if you haven't heard about
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Speaker 1: this documentary or John De Camp's work or something called
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Speaker 1: the Franklin cover up, this one's going to be a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a doozy. So this is a paranoid
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Speaker 1: American here under the docks. My co host Sean Kris,
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Speaker 1: how you doing, man.
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Speaker 3: Good Man? This one for me.
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Speaker 4: I was telling you before we got on that I
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Speaker 4: had never seen it. I know about the Franklin scandal
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Speaker 4: and I've investigated, but to.
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Speaker 3: See it in this is a lot different.
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Speaker 4: And it's very interesting that you did bring up the
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Speaker 4: whole This is a really conspiratorial, traditional documentary where you're like, man,
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Speaker 4: you can't even find it, like a guy from a
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Speaker 4: guy from a guy from a guy. We were talking
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Speaker 4: about getting documentaries at gas stations. Now, this is the
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Speaker 4: real way where some guy has it on a thumb
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Speaker 4: drive and he's like, hey, man, you want to check
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Speaker 4: it out?
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Speaker 5: Man?
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Speaker 3: This one. It was supposed to be on Discovery Channel
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Speaker 3: and it never aired.
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Speaker 1: And I don't even know how to understate this that really,
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Speaker 1: this is not some random documentary that you might have
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Speaker 1: seen already unless you dug it out and found this
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Speaker 1: version and you saw the exact same copy that has
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Speaker 1: missing scenes. It says video insert here. It clearly looks
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Speaker 1: like it is eighty to ninety percent done, and it
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Speaker 1: came off of some editing deck. It's got timecode burnt
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Speaker 1: into the bottom of the entire thing. It has this
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Speaker 1: weird VHS hiss in some of the scenes, like it
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Speaker 1: hasn't gone through all the final little bits a polished
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Speaker 1: that it normally would before what I assume would be broadcast,
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Speaker 1: because it claims to be the Discovery Channel, And I
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Speaker 1: guess to just address that right up front. This does
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Speaker 1: not come across as a mockumentary or that they're trying
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Speaker 1: to throw that little extra salt based style on top
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Speaker 1: to make it feel more conspiratorial. This legitimately seems like
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Speaker 1: an unfinished documentary that was never allowed to air for
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Speaker 1: the Discovery Channel by Yorkshire Television. So all of that
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Speaker 1: seems completely credible to me. Take that for what you will.
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Speaker 1: But this one, it's got that conspiracy like you feel
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Speaker 1: like maybe you just got on a list because you
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Speaker 1: saw this thing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, So it has that conspiracy genuineness right where
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Speaker 4: you're like, oh, this is authentic thing. This is not
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Speaker 4: just some guy on TikTok, like when I heard this
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Speaker 4: guy that heard a guy like it's you gotta dig
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Speaker 4: for this. And like you said, there's copies out there
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Speaker 4: that you might might not get the full shpiel.
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Speaker 3: And then there's different copies. I had to go through
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Speaker 3: a couple of different.
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Speaker 4: Ones because some are worse than others, and you could
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Speaker 4: tell that there is some out there that they're actually
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Speaker 4: fine tuning the audio a little bit better.
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Speaker 1: The one that I watched felt like the og version,
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Speaker 1: like the really nasty, horrible sometimes like I had to
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Speaker 1: watch a few of the scenes a couple times to
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Speaker 1: just understand what they were saying. But well worth I'll
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Speaker 1: just say up front, well worth it. If you can
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Speaker 1: seek this one out. It's less than an hour long
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Speaker 1: and it'll absolutely rock your world.
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Speaker 4: And for a first timer, I'm giving it two thumbs
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Speaker 4: up to like of where you should go get it
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Speaker 4: right away, like it's it's something that you have to
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Speaker 4: If you're a conspiratorial person and you haven't watched it,
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Speaker 4: then what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: All right, let's PLoP the course on this one. We
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Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of claims this movie made, so
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and keep it to the most outstanding claims,
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Speaker 1: or just the ones that took up the majority of
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Speaker 1: the time in this movie. The very first one is
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Speaker 1: as soon as you hit play, you get this little
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Speaker 1: preface of text. So the first major claim is that
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Speaker 1: this documentary was stopped from even being able to air
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Speaker 1: on the Discovery Channel from people in high up places
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Speaker 1: in Washington, DC, in Congress, in the Nebraska Legislature, all
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Speaker 1: over the place. Here's and I'm just going to read
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Speaker 1: it verbatim what it actually shows scrolling the second you
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Speaker 1: hit play on this movie. On Tuesday, March third, buck
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Speaker 1: let Me Try each Other Again. On Tuesday, May third,
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, this program was scheduled to air on
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Speaker 1: the Discovery Channel. Influential members of Congress applied pressure to
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Speaker 1: the cable industry to stop the airing of the program
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Speaker 1: and destroy all copies. It was already listed nationwide in
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Speaker 1: April thirtieth to the May sixth edition of TV Guide
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Speaker 1: and newspaper supplements. The Discovery Channel and Yorkshire Television were
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Speaker 1: reimbursed for the quarter to half million dollar production costs.
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Speaker 1: This is the program they didn't want you to see. Now.
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Speaker 1: When I put a documentary in and that's the first
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Speaker 1: thing I see, you've got my attention. I had better
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Speaker 1: be able to back it up. You one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: have my attention now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it since the mood.
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Speaker 1: The second claim that it makes is that Boystown, Nebraska
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Speaker 1: is this sort of orphanage home where it's like an
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Speaker 1: entire city with a whole bunch of orphaned boys. Specifically
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Speaker 1: that gets turned into a drug and sex trafficking playground
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Speaker 1: for all these different elites. Specifically, here's some of the
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Speaker 1: things that they say in this documentary that the kids
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Speaker 1: are used to compromise politicians, the kids are used as
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Speaker 1: drug mules or sex trafficking, and most importantly, this whole
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Speaker 1: process is to corrupt the very institutions of government which
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Speaker 1: are meant to prevent any of this from happening. This
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Speaker 1: is what this entire boys town was kind of utilized
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Speaker 1: as in this bigger game of chess. If you've heard
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Speaker 1: of Boystown before, it was made famous in this nineteen
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Speaker 1: thirty eight Oscar winning movie called Boystown, and it's based
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Speaker 1: on a very real It was based on a real play, clearly,
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Speaker 1: which was founded in nineteen seventeen by a Catholic priest
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Speaker 1: named Father Edward J. Flanagan. And it kind of started
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Speaker 1: as a home for orphaned boys after World War One. Dad,
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Speaker 1: he didn't come home from the war. Now you don't have,
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Speaker 1: you know, a family to take care of you. It
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Speaker 1: became an entire municipality. They had their you know, own everything.
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Speaker 1: You wouldn't have to leave this sort of city of Boystown.
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Speaker 1: And then this is where John DeCamp, the guy that
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Speaker 1: wrote the book called the Franklin Cover Up, he also
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Speaker 1: went to Boystown when he was younger, hence the reason
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Speaker 1: that it even came across his radar and he looked
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Speaker 1: into it. So that's that's the first major claim is
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Speaker 1: that this Boystown sort of city was really just being
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Speaker 1: used to recruit kids to do unspeakable things.
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Speaker 4: And that's the perfect way to start it off. It
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Speaker 4: segues into like that being the catalyst of everything, and
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Speaker 4: I'm agreeing with that. That's a huge It's just weird
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Speaker 4: too with Boystown. I'm like, like, sometimes these things like
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Speaker 4: they're synonymous with each other on accident, you know what
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Speaker 4: I mean.
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Speaker 3: You're like, what, like, how ironic?
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Speaker 1: To be clear too, the original boys Town, even Father Flanagan,
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Speaker 1: I couldn't find any dirt. I'm sure since he's Catholic,
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Speaker 1: you'll find people that are making all sorts of claims,
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Speaker 1: but his record is pretty much squeaky clean. He was
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Speaker 1: seen as a true benefactor to the community, and the
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Speaker 1: og version of Boystown seem like it truly was for
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Speaker 1: a noble cause. So whatever your impression is of that,
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Speaker 1: I tried doing a slightly deep dive into this and
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Speaker 1: really the worst parts of Boystown come up in the
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, which is going to lead into point three,
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Speaker 1: so that the third major claim is that a man
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Speaker 1: named Lawrence King, who was the most promising Black Republican
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Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties, he was behind this entire operation.
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Speaker 1: He was the one that was pimping these kids out,
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Speaker 1: that was turn him into drug mules that was setting
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Speaker 1: up this kind of blackmail operation. And here's some of
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Speaker 1: the specific claims that he stole forty million dollars from
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Speaker 1: the Franklin Federal Credit Union. Hence the reason the Franklin
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Speaker 1: cover up. Out of those forty million, ten million on jewelry,
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Speaker 1: flowers and private planes, three homes in Omaha, one home
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Speaker 1: in DC. He was throwing extravagant parties for Reagan's inner
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Speaker 1: circle at this time, and all the while the media,
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Speaker 1: national and local was promoting him. It was cheering him on.
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Speaker 1: It was saying, look, here's this up and coming, you know,
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Speaker 1: black guy from you know, the Republican Party, wouldn't anomaly.
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Speaker 1: Let's all sort of put our faith behind this guy.
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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, they're suppressing any kind of information that comes
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Speaker 1: out against him, against anyone that's associated with him, including
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Speaker 1: some people that even owned the papers that were writing
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Speaker 1: some of these bluff pieces, which we'll kind of get
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Speaker 1: into that he was corrupting politicians. And essentially, there was
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Speaker 1: this federal credit union called the Franklin Federal Credit Union.
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Speaker 1: It was already failing. They bring in Lawrence King to
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Speaker 1: sort of help it along, and before you know it,
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Speaker 1: he's definitely helping it, and part of that is setting
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Speaker 1: up all these little subsidiary businesses which almost employ children
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Speaker 1: from the Boys Town exclusively or sometimes when they get
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Speaker 1: into the late teens, he would just kind of pluck
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Speaker 1: them directly from that community to sort of work in
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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different shady operations. So one of
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Speaker 1: those kids in particular was Paul Banashi or Bonassi as
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Speaker 1: they kind of pronounce it in this video, and that
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Speaker 1: when he claims that when he was eight, he got
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Speaker 1: recruited by this guy, Lawrence King, and a lot of
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Speaker 1: these claims kind of stem from him and two or
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Speaker 1: three other kids that they interview.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they kind of focus on those interviews throughout
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Speaker 4: the film that like give you the information and the
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Speaker 4: first hand experience of what was going on.
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Speaker 1: The fourth major claim is specifically that there were running
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Speaker 1: a sex ring out of Boys Town, and this wasn't
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Speaker 1: just a sex ring basically, it was a front for
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Speaker 1: something even bigger than that. Ja kinda hinted that, which
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Speaker 1: was making sure you corrupt the very institutions that would
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Speaker 1: be out there to destroy you or take you to court.
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Speaker 1: Get those corrupted in all of this. So now they
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Speaker 1: can't really come after you specifically. That's the premise that
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Speaker 1: they sort of put forth in this documentary that the
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Speaker 1: FBI wasn't just protecting a few of these names that
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Speaker 1: come up, in particular Lawrence King, there's a guy named
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Speaker 1: Alan Bear, there's a guy named Peter Citron, and a
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Speaker 1: few others, and that the FBI isn't going to be
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Speaker 1: putting all of their resources to work to help a
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Speaker 1: few local politicians that happen to be around Omaha or
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Speaker 1: even Nebraska at the state level. That it goes up
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Speaker 1: even way higher than the state level. For example, they
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Speaker 1: name Bush Senior, and they name a guy I named
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Speaker 1: Craig Spence. And to kind of summarize all this, this
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Speaker 1: is just an og version of the Epstein scandal, right
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Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein, who didn't kill himself, by the way,
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Speaker 1: that this is the nineteen eighties version of all that
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Speaker 1: we've seen all of it before, and it reached the
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Speaker 1: exact same levels of White House power that the Epstein
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Speaker 1: scandal claimed to have sort of claimed. So if that
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Speaker 1: was the goal was to corrupt all the institutions of government,
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Speaker 1: then I would say they did a great job. If
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Speaker 1: this documentary is true.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the Red Team Epstein files, right, like
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Speaker 4: the client list, it's all Republican.
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Speaker 3: Mainly is the main theme in this as like you
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Speaker 3: know Epstein.
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Speaker 4: I know there's Republicans, but a lot of it is
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Speaker 4: blanketed with Democrats.
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Speaker 3: It's really the blueprint.
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Speaker 4: It's like they were like, you know what, it didn't
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Speaker 4: work in Nebraska, and we get an island, you know
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Speaker 4: what I mean.
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Speaker 1: And they don't get into this amount of detail in
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Speaker 1: the documentary. But if you read Fanklin cover up by
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Speaker 1: John DeCamp, I believe he does mention a number of
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Speaker 1: Democrats by name as well. Barney I think is one
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Speaker 1: in particular that mentions that he was kind of running
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Speaker 1: a DC version of some of this. The fifth claim
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Speaker 1: that I got is the lead investigator that was looking
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Speaker 1: into this Franklin scandal was a guy named Gary Caradori,
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Speaker 1: and that Gary Caradori was taken out, his plane was sabotaged,
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Speaker 1: and that you can actually find all of his most
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Speaker 1: of his research on FBI's website. It's pretty much all redacted,
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Speaker 1: of course, but there is lots of interesting rabbit holes
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Speaker 1: just around this guy getting taken out. For example, July
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Speaker 1: eleventh nineteen ninety Gary and his eight year old son.
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Speaker 1: They die in an airplane accident. Now I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to sing an airplane crash because and some of these
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Speaker 1: are going to sound really familiar after we did some
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Speaker 1: of the nine to eleven videos recently, that he had
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Speaker 1: found a black book of names and addresses and he
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Speaker 1: was on his way to you know, basically present a
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Speaker 1: lot of this in court and build this case against
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Speaker 1: this Franklin scandal. That while he was in the air
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Speaker 1: the plane exploded. And the reason why I say exploded
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Speaker 1: is because the news reports talk about the remains of
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Speaker 1: the airplane and the contents inside being scattered over a mile,
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Speaker 1: and that that couldn't have happened if the plane just
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Speaker 1: crashed directly into the ground, it wouldn't have been scattered
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Speaker 1: over the same distance. Everything was found except for a
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Speaker 1: briefcase that contained allegedly this little black book. And then finally,
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Speaker 1: within twenty four hours of this plane accident, all the records,
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Speaker 1: all of the different research that he had been working
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Speaker 1: on gotten pounded by the FBI, never to see the
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Speaker 1: light of day again. So that is a pretty suspicious
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Speaker 1: key point, and I think it was.
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Speaker 3: Worth bringing in No I agree, and that kind of
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Speaker 3: brings me into one of my points.
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Speaker 4: It's on the same level of just like in general,
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Speaker 4: a theme coming out of this is silencing of witnesses.
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Speaker 4: And one of the witnesses, Tony Troy Bonners, how they
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Speaker 4: like announce it but it looks like boner to me.
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Speaker 3: I think I think it is boner too.
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Speaker 4: But they kept trying to like make a little French
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Speaker 4: accident Troy Bonner and then well, at one point he
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Speaker 4: agreed to testify in the investigation of Larry King Junior,
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Speaker 4: and then some cool alleged FBI involvement of where they
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Speaker 4: were pressuring him to switch his statement and going against
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Speaker 4: another one of the key witnesses.
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Speaker 3: They talk about Alicia Owens and saying that the whole.
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Speaker 4: Story was fabricated and they needed it to get a bond,
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Speaker 4: and then he got a change of heart and wanted
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Speaker 4: to go back to it, and then all of a
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Speaker 4: suddenly they claimed that his brother died of a mysterious
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Speaker 4: kind of like gun accident like that nobody and they
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Speaker 4: kind of got scared off. And the mom is even
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Speaker 4: in the documentary making this claim that yes, I believe
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Speaker 4: that they were trying to set it, you know, an
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Speaker 4: example of us for other people that want to come forward.
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Speaker 4: And if you heard other people through the documentary, they
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Speaker 4: were making the same claim that this example was being
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Speaker 4: made of their family to maybe not have people come forward.
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Speaker 4: And another key point you brought up Craig Spence, and
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Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting how Paul.
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Speaker 3: Not Bouhami Bushani.
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Speaker 4: Or Banasi, Yes, Banasi, he does.
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Speaker 3: He has a pretty thorough.
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Speaker 4: Thought process of what happened with Craig Spencer and claims
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Speaker 4: that he was pretty much another kingpin of the Golden Boys,
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Speaker 4: which was an underage ten and under kids, and he
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Speaker 4: was a recruit of bringing them to the White House
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Speaker 4: and it was almost like they would go to the
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Speaker 4: White House late hours and get a tour, and he
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Speaker 4: was able to describe things that not everybody could describe.
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Speaker 4: But he also claims that when they go to the
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Speaker 4: original Nebraska House that kids were locked in the basement
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Speaker 4: and politicians were there during the day, and then there
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Speaker 4: were sex, drugs, all kinds of really really high profile
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Speaker 4: people in compromising positions. Like you said earlier, it's very
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Speaker 4: similar to like the Epstein. It's almost like the preps
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Speaker 4: the nineties Epstein. If you will, right the darker side
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Speaker 4: of the nineties Epstein, But it actually had a lot
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Speaker 4: of people and children in the White House. That was
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Speaker 4: one of the biggest claims too, is that they actually
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Speaker 4: brought kids to the White House at some point and
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Speaker 4: that they were able to walk through and get tours,
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Speaker 4: and it was a reward system of how they kind
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Speaker 4: of talked about, like, hey, you made it, and you
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Speaker 4: get to go roam around the White House and then
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna take you later.
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Speaker 3: We're gonna do some weird shit.
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Speaker 4: Another interesting claim for me was Paul Rodriguez, the journalist.
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Speaker 4: He claims to have had twenty thousand dollars documents, receipts
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Speaker 4: of credit cards and checks, and a list of people
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Speaker 4: here we go back to those client lists, and that
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Speaker 4: the all twenty thousand documents were sealed and he was
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Speaker 4: pretty much told it will be unsealed in a cold
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Speaker 4: day in hell.
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Speaker 3: So those are some of the claims.
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Speaker 4: A lot of the other claims I had were similar
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Speaker 4: to yours, but I thought Paul Rodriguez was big because
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Speaker 4: I think it was like somebody pushing towards all the
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Speaker 4: evidence and maybe getting this client list out there and
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Speaker 4: then everything's redacted because you know, national security and such
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Speaker 4: and such, all right, just.
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Speaker 1: Like any other documentary, this one's got some hidden treasures,
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Speaker 1: and it maybe it has some overboard moments. So my
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Speaker 1: hidden treasures is was going to be a very long list,
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Speaker 1: But if I had to give you my highlights, it's
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Speaker 1: the John De Camp interview and all the other interviews
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Speaker 1: that we've got with the actual accusers of relatives of
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Speaker 1: some of the witnesses and accusers. Courtroom footage, the people
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Speaker 1: that they're mentioning in this movie, Lawrence King, Alan Bear
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Speaker 1: or Peter Citron, they show them being purp walk. They
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Speaker 1: actually have legitimate, you know, video footage of this. This
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Speaker 1: is not pieced together from online sources because this is
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Speaker 1: pre online, right, This was made in nineteen ninety three,
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Speaker 1: So there was no version of this that they were
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Speaker 1: scouring four chan boards or forums or grabbing anything off
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Speaker 1: social media. This is a legit documentary. So I think
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Speaker 1: that that's kind of a huge hidden treasure versus a
20:37
Speaker 1: lot of the other ones that we're going to end
20:38
Speaker 1: up talking about. Lots of news footage. They've got footage
20:42
Speaker 1: of the plane, like right after the plane accident, again
20:45
Speaker 1: not a crash of someone saying, yeah, this had to
20:48
Speaker 1: have happened in the air, there's no way. Look at
20:50
Speaker 1: how wide all this is spread out. This is not
20:52
Speaker 1: conjecture by the documentary. This is somebody on the news
20:57
Speaker 1: that's kind of explaining this. Here's another quote, and this
21:02
Speaker 1: is kind of the Mike drop moment. This is like
21:03
Speaker 1: my main hidden treasure. So they're interviewing a guy about
21:07
Speaker 1: how feasible this entire premise is the whole conspiracy of Silence.
21:11
Speaker 1: And here's what this guy says. It's beyond belief that
21:15
Speaker 1: the most powerful person in the world talking about Richard
21:18
Speaker 1: Nixon could not prevent the investigation of Watergate, or that
21:23
Speaker 1: Reagan could not prevent the investigation of Iran Contra. And
21:27
Speaker 1: yet somehow this group of unnamed, unknown, anonymous individuals in Omaha,
21:33
Speaker 1: Nebraska have such power that they can control and protect
21:37
Speaker 1: people from being investigated. And it's sort of a this
21:40
Speaker 1: mic drop moment. And as soon as he said that,
21:44
Speaker 1: I kind of realized that that is an objectively true statement,
21:47
Speaker 1: regardless of what you think on either direction, Just the
21:51
Speaker 1: claim that this movie existed at all, that this whole
21:55
Speaker 1: conspiracy as Silence happened, that seems hard to believe, SEMs
22:00
Speaker 1: unbelievable that anyone could have that amount of power or influence,
22:04
Speaker 1: and he follows it up by saying, these allegations are ridiculous.
22:09
Speaker 1: So he was clearly on the opposite side. He was
22:12
Speaker 1: sort of a naysayer, like, I can't believe this documentary
22:16
Speaker 1: team is even asking me about this whole entire scandal.
22:20
Speaker 1: But they have these really quick little retorts. So John
22:24
Speaker 1: DeCamp is listening to this rebuttal and he makes some
22:27
Speaker 1: great points. He says Nixon did cover up Watergate, that
22:32
Speaker 1: Bush did cover up Iran contra, at least in an
22:35
Speaker 1: official court version of this, and that Omaha did successfully
22:40
Speaker 1: cover up all of this, and that in all of
22:43
Speaker 1: those cases, that the thing was that the press, the
22:47
Speaker 1: press is the one that exposed the problem, but the
22:50
Speaker 1: government was not the one that would ever solve it.
22:53
Speaker 1: The government was part of the problem, so the press
22:56
Speaker 1: needed to be there to expose any of this from happening,
22:59
Speaker 1: and that the second that the press also got corrupted
23:02
Speaker 1: or involved, that now there was no chance of any
23:05
Speaker 1: of this coming to light. So this was to me,
23:08
Speaker 1: this was a huge sort of hidden treasure. They also
23:12
Speaker 1: have an interviewed directly with William Colby, previous CIA director,
23:18
Speaker 1: and this move, this documentary was put out prior to
23:22
Speaker 1: William Colby also getting marked also dying under incredibly suspicious
23:27
Speaker 1: circumstances where he took a family boat out to just
23:30
Speaker 1: go boating and then isn't found again until you know,
23:34
Speaker 1: his body washes up, you know, inside this body of water.
23:37
Speaker 1: So it's mind blowing to see them interviewing William Colby
23:41
Speaker 1: about this topic that in the darkness of conspiracy circles this,
23:47
Speaker 1: this conspiracy silence is maybe what got William Colby killed
23:51
Speaker 1: or at least helped, you know, attribute itself to it.
23:56
Speaker 4: I think another hidden treasure was the moment where they
23:59
Speaker 4: have Alisha Owens and they're talking about the grand jury
24:03
Speaker 4: editing the tape that the juror saw, so that there
24:07
Speaker 4: was investigated tape of where they had Alisha Owens and
24:12
Speaker 4: Troy Bonner them both like having statements and they were
24:15
Speaker 4: saying their statements were conflicting. But then it turns out
24:18
Speaker 4: that tapes were edited, and he actually goes and gets
24:21
Speaker 4: and sees that it was edited and that they were
24:24
Speaker 4: having a but totally this is the narrative of like
24:30
Speaker 4: if there's nobody involved, Why would someone go to the
24:33
Speaker 4: extent of editing deposition tape, right, Like, that's just like
24:39
Speaker 4: who cares, right, Let the jury decide.
24:41
Speaker 3: But because it tells it makes me feel that, yes.
24:44
Speaker 4: There was a lot of prominent people definitely involved because
24:47
Speaker 4: they started going after actual Like you said, they were
24:50
Speaker 4: trying to corrupt the facilities that are supposed the institutions
24:54
Speaker 4: that are supposed to stop this very thing of.
24:59
Speaker 3: Child trackrafficking and drug trafficking, all of this.
25:03
Speaker 4: And they kind of corrupted it on that level to
25:05
Speaker 4: where they stopped any of these witnesses that really wanted
25:09
Speaker 4: to testify or make a case.
25:12
Speaker 3: I thought that, and I also I thought one of
25:16
Speaker 3: the things that was really stuck out to me.
25:20
Speaker 4: Is some of the witnesses actually having great descriptions of
25:25
Speaker 4: white house rooms and being accurate of knowing the details.
25:30
Speaker 3: Of what was in there and what was why would
25:32
Speaker 3: you be in there?
25:32
Speaker 4: And it again opens the door for me of like
25:35
Speaker 4: the credibility of people that are making these claims, because
25:38
Speaker 4: I'm like, you don't just go out there and make
25:40
Speaker 4: the claim and now I'll go back. I know they
25:42
Speaker 4: were saying that allegedly Alicia Owens. I was reading stuff
25:45
Speaker 4: on Reddit. There's a lot of people that discredit these witnesses,
25:49
Speaker 4: but they're more like kind of like slinging garbage at them.
25:52
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, she could have never known she was
25:54
Speaker 4: wrong about the scar, you know what I mean, say
25:57
Speaker 4: on the police chief that he had a scar on
25:59
Speaker 4: his own. But there's so many things that they're just
26:02
Speaker 4: really trying to slander them more than anything else. But
26:06
Speaker 4: any of the all the claims even claimed Paul was
26:08
Speaker 4: allegedly maybe in jail for doing some stuff to minors,
26:12
Speaker 4: but there is no like credible evidence to this. So
26:16
Speaker 4: it really made me when I was doing research about
26:19
Speaker 4: the film after, it was like, Okay, so these guys
26:21
Speaker 4: are being slandered even two decades later, like people that
26:26
Speaker 4: were talking about on Reddit, this is like twenty thirteen,
26:29
Speaker 4: you know, twenty fifteen, and they're still being slandered.
26:32
Speaker 3: But I really believe that one of the biggest.
26:35
Speaker 4: Hitted gems was those tapes, because the tapes kind of
26:38
Speaker 4: connects a lot of.
26:41
Speaker 3: Proof of corruption happening, and.
26:44
Speaker 1: It was incredibly hard for me to find sort of
26:47
Speaker 1: downsides on this. So the main one for me the
26:50
Speaker 1: overboard was really how much of the story was hinging
26:55
Speaker 1: on the testimony and the deposition tapes of these particular
26:59
Speaker 1: people you mentioned it was mainly Alisha Owens, which is
27:03
Speaker 1: spelt with a CIA in it, and just saying Alicia Owens,
27:07
Speaker 1: Troy Boner, and Paul Bonassi. Right, the three of these
27:11
Speaker 1: people are constituting a majority of all the different claims.
27:16
Speaker 1: And because all three of them admit, yes, we you know,
27:21
Speaker 1: are in prostitution, Yes we do drugs, all of the
27:24
Speaker 1: things that they say that they got into from these
27:27
Speaker 1: elites and these politicians, they claimed that. But because of
27:31
Speaker 1: that and also makes them all unreliable. Now they're just
27:33
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of street kids that are addicted to drugs.
27:37
Speaker 1: So how much can you rely on their testimony and
27:40
Speaker 1: their deposition and how easy it is to manipulate them
27:43
Speaker 1: with threatening to be you know, incarcerated for perjury and
27:47
Speaker 1: all the different sort of claims against them. But the
27:49
Speaker 1: amount of lifting that these three kids and their testimony
27:53
Speaker 1: is doing for the entire conspiracy of silence does make
27:57
Speaker 1: it incredibly easy to suppress by simple character assassination. And
28:02
Speaker 1: I have to ask the age old question and conspiracies
28:06
Speaker 1: like why are all three of them even alive if
28:09
Speaker 1: all of this is one hundred percent accurate, although maybe
28:12
Speaker 1: taking them out would then give it more credibility versus
28:16
Speaker 1: just letting them right away in jail.
28:19
Speaker 4: I'm with you on the overboard because I thought the
28:21
Speaker 4: same thing I think as a viewer, like, I think
28:24
Speaker 4: everything was great how they presented the case. There's a
28:26
Speaker 4: lot of evidence, there's a lot of compelling things that
28:29
Speaker 4: you can look into and you're like, WHOA, that's factual.
28:32
Speaker 4: Larry King and Junior, which is also it all seems
28:35
Speaker 4: like a CIA front though you're like, Larry King, the
28:37
Speaker 4: same thing, guy that's been at CNN with the talk
28:40
Speaker 4: show forever.
28:41
Speaker 3: It's hard to find that Larry King. You have to
28:43
Speaker 3: go Larry King Junior like the way they kind of
28:45
Speaker 3: word it.
28:46
Speaker 4: But yes, everything is really hold together by these three
28:50
Speaker 4: key witnesses and your perspective, are they lying or they're not?
28:54
Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean, you get to decide.
28:56
Speaker 4: But that's why it's tougher to win people over, I
29:00
Speaker 4: think on that aspect, because if you think them being
29:03
Speaker 4: in this prostitution and into drugs and admitting all this,
29:07
Speaker 4: and then you know, even Troy Bonner actually like agreeing
29:11
Speaker 4: to go back and reopen this case and then just
29:14
Speaker 4: vanishes and he doesn't want anything to do with it because.
29:18
Speaker 3: Seegert was allegedly, you.
29:21
Speaker 4: Know, pressuring him, who was the prosecutor that was doing
29:25
Speaker 4: the case, was at least pressuring him that he would
29:28
Speaker 4: get him for perjury if he testified anything different than
29:30
Speaker 4: he already had.
29:32
Speaker 3: So everything's holding on to that string of are they
29:36
Speaker 3: telling the truth or not?
29:46
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do a deep dive into one of those
29:48
Speaker 1: claims a little bit beyond just the surface, and I
29:51
Speaker 1: guess this is the conspiracy of silence. So the number
29:54
Speaker 1: one claim is about this whole entire sex ring and
29:57
Speaker 1: about Bush and the White House being involved. So here's
30:01
Speaker 1: the information that I dug up on this one, and
30:04
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to do your own research for sure.
30:06
Speaker 1: There's a specific claim here. And I just thought this
30:09
Speaker 1: was an interesting that there was a stack of papers
30:12
Speaker 1: over a foot high that included all the different claims
30:17
Speaker 1: and the police reports and witness statements regarding this particular case.
30:22
Speaker 1: And roughly the math means that there would have been
30:25
Speaker 1: at least three thousand sheets of paper alone on all
30:28
Speaker 1: these different witness statements and This was specifically about people
30:32
Speaker 1: complaining about Lawrence King doing inappropriate things at Boystown, which
30:37
Speaker 1: essentially came under his financial advisory. Once he got into
30:42
Speaker 1: the Franklin Federal Credit Union, all of the funding that
30:47
Speaker 1: the Boystown would kind of go through him, so he
30:49
Speaker 1: became intertwined with their entire financial status. And all of
30:54
Speaker 1: those reports amounted to based on that math, around like
30:57
Speaker 1: three thousand different reports. Along with what you had mentioned,
31:01
Speaker 1: Gary Cardori had come up with like twenty thousand different documents.
31:05
Speaker 1: So there is actual paperwork on all of these claims.
31:08
Speaker 1: Whether they're altrue or not is a separate issue. But
31:11
Speaker 1: this is not just unfounded claims that are based on rumor.
31:14
Speaker 1: These are actual documented in the courts. One of the
31:19
Speaker 1: other claims that it was not pursued by those involved, well,
31:21
Speaker 1: who are those? In particular Alan Baher, who was a
31:24
Speaker 1: department store millionaire, and I guess in nineteen eighties millionaire
31:28
Speaker 1: actually meant something on like in twenty twenty five, a
31:31
Speaker 1: guy named Peter Sitron who was a celebrity columnist at
31:34
Speaker 1: Omaha's only newspaper called The World Herald. And I did
31:38
Speaker 1: find out there is a police report from nineteen ninety
31:41
Speaker 1: that before he moved to Omaha and joined the World Herald,
31:45
Speaker 1: he had gotten sort of disgraced in his previous hometown
31:49
Speaker 1: for having a police record for exactly what is being
31:52
Speaker 1: accused of here. So even prior to the Franklin scandal,
31:55
Speaker 1: he had already run into this exact same charge elsewhere.
31:59
Speaker 1: There was an unnamed police officer that you mentioned. Alicia
32:02
Speaker 1: Owens was talking about a scar Lawrence King directly, and
32:06
Speaker 1: that in April eleventh, nineteen eighty eight, Franklin himself or sorry,
32:11
Speaker 1: Lawrence King, and again not Larry King from CNN, but
32:15
Speaker 1: this guy, Lawrence King, he attracts the attention of the
32:18
Speaker 1: irs because of all this money that's coming in and out.
32:21
Speaker 1: He gets rated and shut down by the FBI, and
32:24
Speaker 1: a documentary even has footage of him being purp walked
32:28
Speaker 1: by the FBI. As the result of this raid, November
32:32
Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty eight, the state government put together an
32:35
Speaker 1: entire little legislative committee to look directly into the Nebraska
32:41
Speaker 1: banking situation. And this one guy that we have interviews with,
32:44
Speaker 1: his name is Lawrence C. Schmidt. He receives actual death
32:48
Speaker 1: threats and he says, quote, I was disappointed with how
32:52
Speaker 1: the FBI treated the victims, in fact, turned them into
32:55
Speaker 1: the offenders. So as soon as these kids Troy Boehner
32:59
Speaker 1: and Alicia Owens and Paul Banassi, once they report this,
33:03
Speaker 1: the cops are like, wait, what's that. You're having sex
33:05
Speaker 1: and you're doing drugs? Hold on a second. And now
33:07
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they become the bad guys and
33:10
Speaker 1: they're saying, oh, you're accusing these pillars of community, people
33:13
Speaker 1: that have been bringing money into this city for their
33:16
Speaker 1: entire lives. Now we're going to basically look at you
33:19
Speaker 1: like you're perjuring yourselves. Do you really want to keep
33:22
Speaker 1: this up? Do you really want the smoke that comes
33:24
Speaker 1: with all these face false claims that you guys are making.
33:27
Speaker 1: So it takes a weird turn and this guy makes
33:30
Speaker 1: that claim. This isn't near the documentary is saying it.
33:33
Speaker 1: This is the guy involved with this investigation, saying, I
33:35
Speaker 1: couldn't believe how the FBI was handling this. Gary Cardori,
33:41
Speaker 1: who gets taken out with his son right Paul Banasi,
33:44
Speaker 1: who's a cocaine addict, claims that he was there since
33:48
Speaker 1: he was since he was eight and that's how he
33:52
Speaker 1: got into this quote Golden Boys group that was also
33:55
Speaker 1: help run by this guy Craig Spence in DC Troy Bher,
33:59
Speaker 1: who's a Heroin add he talked about some wild claims
34:03
Speaker 1: like large squash being inserted, about having Alan Baar poke
34:09
Speaker 1: him with hot rods, sticking hot rods inside of them,
34:13
Speaker 1: that Lawrence King was even more violent than there was,
34:17
Speaker 1: and then he starts showing scars off, and he shows
34:19
Speaker 1: a scar where they said they would burn him with cigarettes,
34:21
Speaker 1: and very specific claims about very specific people. Alicia Owens
34:27
Speaker 1: Gary Kerdori finds her in jail making all of these
34:31
Speaker 1: same claims separate from Bonasi and from Boner, so they
34:35
Speaker 1: all sort of three these stories are linking up. And
34:37
Speaker 1: then finally the documentary has a recording from the FBI
34:42
Speaker 1: where Troy Boner is talking to Alicia Owen and Troy
34:45
Speaker 1: Boner is telling her, I'm not going to go to
34:47
Speaker 1: jail for you. The pressure is getting to be too much.
34:51
Speaker 1: You're not the one that's out here dealing with them
34:53
Speaker 1: every day, and they're basically both calling each other liars.
34:55
Speaker 1: This is where Troy Boner is saying, all right, Alisha,
34:58
Speaker 1: give it up. Stop lying. They know the it's all
35:00
Speaker 1: been lies, and she's like, what the hell you talking about.
35:02
Speaker 1: I've been telling the truth the whole time, So again
35:04
Speaker 1: kind of the crux of this whole documentary. But those
35:07
Speaker 1: are all of the facts, those are all the deep dives,
35:09
Speaker 1: the people that were accused. Craig Spence killed himself in
35:13
Speaker 1: a ritz Carlon he actually wrote dear Cia chief on
35:16
Speaker 1: the wall as part of his you know, suicide slash
35:21
Speaker 1: murder assassination scene. Who the hell knows? And like I said,
35:25
Speaker 1: Peter Citron, he had a previous crime record. So all
35:29
Speaker 1: of the suspects seem like they fit into these pieces.
35:34
Speaker 4: It all falls together, and I think that the whole
35:39
Speaker 4: outlook of what I've seen is like they flipped on him.
35:44
Speaker 4: It looks like a classic story of the FBI interrogating you,
35:47
Speaker 4: or deep state, if you will. Like the Unseen Guard
35:53
Speaker 4: is kind of like pressuring people through the system to
35:56
Speaker 4: really get them to comply either way and change the story,
35:59
Speaker 4: because Owens seems to be sticking with the same story
36:02
Speaker 4: and some stuff I found digging deep online where there's
36:05
Speaker 4: an argument, and I've seen on some Reddit forms where
36:08
Speaker 4: people are claiming that Owens was met Boner in a
36:12
Speaker 4: mental institute, a mental institution, and they and they thought
36:16
Speaker 4: of this all together. And that's like, so this is
36:18
Speaker 4: an error that's been spuned for a while, that there
36:20
Speaker 4: are two drug addicts that met each other that made
36:22
Speaker 4: this plan. That's the official story from the state that
36:26
Speaker 4: is trying to like kind of scapegoat them, and that
36:28
Speaker 4: Owens is lying. And then that's why Boner jumped out
36:31
Speaker 4: at the last minute and kind of left her hanging
36:34
Speaker 4: because it's all lies.
36:35
Speaker 3: So to me, it all adds up.
36:44
Speaker 1: All right. Did this documentary make Ripples and Waves? That's
36:47
Speaker 1: an actual question, did it? Because it didn't even air.
36:51
Speaker 1: The only way you even would have found it is
36:53
Speaker 1: if you were searching for the Conspiracy of Silence, which
36:57
Speaker 1: right now I think there's been three or four different
37:00
Speaker 1: movies and documentaries that also have this exact name, so
37:03
Speaker 1: it's not the easiest thing to find either. You have
37:06
Speaker 1: to search for Conspiracy of Silence nineteen ninety three and
37:09
Speaker 1: wait until you see that fuzzy, grainy time code encrusted,
37:14
Speaker 1: you know, screenshot, and then you know you've hit pay dirt.
37:17
Speaker 1: You've got that fifty six minute classic. But for me,
37:21
Speaker 1: this made the biggest ripple and wave of all this.
37:23
Speaker 1: This brought me to, oh, that's funny quirky X files,
37:27
Speaker 1: Roswell alien abduction stuff, to they're doing what like it
37:32
Speaker 1: was a whole next level of you know, how depraved
37:36
Speaker 1: humans can truly be. And this also sort of coincided
37:40
Speaker 1: with a lot of the claims that I grew up
37:43
Speaker 1: around satanic panic in the eighties and nineties. It seems
37:45
Speaker 1: that this is right in that same vein the term
37:49
Speaker 1: satanic panic never comes up in this. They don't talk
37:51
Speaker 1: about satanic ritual abuse or anything, but it does feel
37:55
Speaker 1: that this movie helped feed into that kind of fervor.
37:59
Speaker 1: And I have even been the reason why it got pulled.
38:03
Speaker 3: And speak of the satanic panic.
38:05
Speaker 4: That's funny you say that, because there is actually people
38:08
Speaker 4: that have interpreted this story as a Satanic rituals and
38:13
Speaker 4: that like they've been like, well, this was a ritual
38:15
Speaker 4: of this.
38:15
Speaker 3: So I do think it had some cultural impact, maybe
38:18
Speaker 3: like because it being one of those like genuine like real.
38:23
Speaker 4: Conspiratorials, like you're friend of a friend of like someone
38:26
Speaker 4: has to find this and show you. You don't just
38:29
Speaker 4: accidentally run across it, right, like being a first time
38:32
Speaker 4: watcher of this. It just made me go, oh, well Epstein,
38:36
Speaker 4: did he like all these all the stuff that we're
38:38
Speaker 4: here Now It's still relevant today because this was such
38:41
Speaker 4: a good hidden cover up, like it's it's a silence
38:45
Speaker 4: for a reason. The film couldn't be named better because
38:49
Speaker 4: this conspiracy of silence, and no one's heard about it, right.
38:52
Speaker 4: They may have heard about the Franklin scandal, but you
38:54
Speaker 4: have not heard of this specific documentary because it was
38:57
Speaker 4: buried on purpose, I believe. And one of the things
39:00
Speaker 4: that I want to point out I was going to say,
39:03
Speaker 4: like an overboard or whatever, but what I really wanted
39:05
Speaker 4: to point out about it was the ninth there's allegedly
39:09
Speaker 4: out there a may issue of n in nineteen ninety
39:12
Speaker 4: three of a TV Guide that may show that this
39:15
Speaker 4: was gonna air. And if anybody can find that, I
39:18
Speaker 4: was looking on eBay over the weekend and see if
39:21
Speaker 4: I can find it, because if I can purchase that,
39:23
Speaker 4: that would be a bomb show man. If I find
39:25
Speaker 4: that there's nothing I don't believe about this documentary, then well.
39:29
Speaker 1: That's what it says in the opening credits. It literally
39:32
Speaker 1: says the exact episode or issue of TV Guide that
39:35
Speaker 1: this was slated to show up in so it does
39:38
Speaker 1: make sense if she, if Alicia Owens gets tried and
39:43
Speaker 1: found guilty of perjury. That now the documentary itself, the
39:47
Speaker 1: guy's making ear least discovery airing, it's like, whoa, I
39:49
Speaker 1: don't want that smoke. If you know, this is basically
39:52
Speaker 1: has legal precedent. Now that the claims made in this
39:56
Speaker 1: are salacious, and now there could be some litigate involved
40:00
Speaker 1: with it, let's maybe just not air this at all,
40:03
Speaker 1: although I mean that would be the subtle smooth way
40:05
Speaker 1: in order to get this thing to never see the
40:07
Speaker 1: light of day. There are a few of follow ups
40:11
Speaker 1: to this one. I wouldn't really say sequels, but again,
40:14
Speaker 1: the documentary itself, Conspiracy of Silence, is based on John
40:18
Speaker 1: Decamp's book called The Franklin cover Up. However, years later,
40:23
Speaker 1: another journalist named Nick Bryant he decides to look into
40:26
Speaker 1: this too. He comes across John Toacamp's book You probably
40:30
Speaker 1: saw Conspiracy of Silence, and his initial you know, thinking,
40:35
Speaker 1: was there's no way these claims are true. These kids
40:38
Speaker 1: were just concocted, this whole story drug addicts, and if
40:42
Speaker 1: you know, if it were really that serious, I would
40:44
Speaker 1: have heard about this, and there'd be some people in jail.
40:46
Speaker 1: There had to be. Well, he writes a much deeper,
40:49
Speaker 1: more involved version that's called The Franklin Scandal, and that
40:52
Speaker 1: I think is the superior work. But if you really
40:55
Speaker 1: want to understand this entire conspiracy theory, you kind of
40:59
Speaker 1: have to do all three. You have to watch Conspiracy
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Speaker 1: A Silence, Then you got to read The Franklin cover
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Speaker 1: Up by John DeCamp, Then you got to read The
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Speaker 1: Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant, and then I believe there's
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Speaker 1: a documentary called Where's Johnny. It's all about a kid
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Speaker 1: named Johnny Gosh, who doesn't I think come up in
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Speaker 1: this particular documentary, But Paul Bonassi claims that he recruited
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Speaker 1: or helped kidnap Johnny Gosh, who becomes the very first
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Speaker 1: face on the side of a milk carton early in
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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, and that Noreen Ghosh, the mother of Johnny,
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Speaker 1: has been looking for him ever since, and she is
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Speaker 1: all in on all of these claims made in Conspiracy Asilence.
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Speaker 1: So if you're interested in this topic, those are the
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Speaker 1: other three or four sort of sources to look at, all, Right,
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Speaker 1: it's that time again. Sink or swim? Where are you at?
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Speaker 1: Where you at?
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Speaker 3: Sean Chris, I'm swimming baby.
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Speaker 4: This is a hallmark of conspiracies, right, like where you
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Speaker 4: have the nostalgia of something I have to dig up
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Speaker 4: and really find that, and that not a lot of people.
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Speaker 4: It's like you know those beer snobs, right, conspiracy snobs
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Speaker 4: of like, hmm, you haven't seen conspiracy of silence, Like
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Speaker 4: you get to be that next level because you haven't
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Speaker 4: really made it through. Absolutely, I thought it was thorough
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Speaker 4: and information. I personally believe the witnesses from how they
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Speaker 4: portrayed everything and the evidence presented. I definitely say it's
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Speaker 4: a swim.
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Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. This is one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: of swim. I'm completely biased on this. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: this was the movie or the documentary that got me
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Speaker 1: into although I believe I actually read John Decamp's book
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Speaker 1: before seeing this, and this was just it's summarized it
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Speaker 1: in a way that made it feel that the book
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Speaker 1: now was even more official too, because here are the
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Speaker 1: actual people making all these claims that I remember reading about.
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Speaker 1: To be clear, the book goes way more depth, talks
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Speaker 1: about bohemian grove and rituals and all that stuff. This
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Speaker 1: documentary remains pretty damn objective. Fact, I would say that
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Speaker 1: the filmmakers themselves don't make any real claims. They just
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Speaker 1: present what everyone else is saying about each other and
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Speaker 1: having witnesses and the perk footage. So in that style,
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Speaker 1: this is a true objective Discovery Channel style documentary. It
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Speaker 1: just happens to be about one of the deepest, darkest
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories in American history.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's still kind of going on, but you know
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Speaker 3: that that happens.
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Speaker 1: Still get them one day, they get them one.
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Speaker 3: Of the lists, right, We're gonna get one of the lists.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's it for this particular episode Under the Ducks.
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Speaker 1: We got a few coming up more on the horizon.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, we're doing a whole bunch of conspiracy
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Speaker 1: to begin with. We'll get into other math and sports
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Speaker 1: and music documentaries pretty soon. We just got we got
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Speaker 1: to get this out of our system, and this is
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Speaker 1: going to be no different. The very next one is
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Speaker 1: America Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo. So I don't
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Speaker 1: think you've seen that one either, So I'm excited to
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Speaker 1: get into that one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I've I saw. I know who Aaron Russo is,
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Speaker 3: but not the film.
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Speaker 4: And the thing that I thought was kind of funny is,
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Speaker 4: if you think about it, the previous three films that
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Speaker 4: we did, the Trayvon, the George Floyd and them, I
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Speaker 4: Racist probably pissed off the Blue team, and I think
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Speaker 4: with the next segments.
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Speaker 3: That we have are going to piss off the Red
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Speaker 3: team a little bit.
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Speaker 4: So I think we're really delegating the hate out there
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Speaker 4: perfectly and not just going after one or the other.
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Speaker 3: We're going, hey, man, whether you want to hear it
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Speaker 3: or not, it's good stuff.
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Speaker 1: That's not even the goal, to be clear, because I
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Speaker 1: did remember from a time when a lot of these
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories were sort of a political right. If you
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Speaker 1: liked X files, that didn't mean that you voted any
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Speaker 1: certain way. But we're going to start getting into those.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into something to get pretty decisive. So
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Speaker 1: we'll see you for the next one.
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Speaker 1: You welcome.
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Speaker 2: They ain't ever had a deal.
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Speaker 1: You welcome, yet they going.
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