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NFL Week 16 TNF Showdown | Broncos @ Chargers | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems going clear the lift up. What's up everyone,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Tyler Tamberline here aka Totag and Tambo, back for
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  Speaker 1: another edition of the Thursday night Football Showdown show here
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  Speaker 1: on the Mail Media Network. Make sure to smash alike
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  Speaker 1: on the way and be subscribed to the channel. And
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  Speaker 1: I got the crew back together, Hoopster titled me happy
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  Speaker 1: to be back. Appreciate all the fill ins and help
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  Speaker 1: along the way as we've all been away for certain
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  Speaker 1: different things, but excited to be back here with you.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the Broncos at the Chargers and Hoopster, I'll
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  Speaker 1: bring you in first. It's almost there, man. We're kicking
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  Speaker 1: off week sixteen, So Christmas just around the corner, the holidays.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Holidays everybody out there early. But week sixteen, man,
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  Speaker 1: we're there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, playoffs will be here before you know,
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  Speaker 2: a couple more weeks of the regular season.
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  Speaker 3: Two teams tonight that are.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of locked in, not locked in, but I mean
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  Speaker 2: very high likelihood that they make the playoffs. They said
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  Speaker 2: after this week, the entire playoff pitcher for the AFC
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  Speaker 2: can be could be potentially locked in, which is the
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  Speaker 2: earliest ever. And then on the NFC side, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a couple spots still available, but it's not a ton
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  Speaker 2: of suspense, I guess down the stretch. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 2: not too much that we're waiting on in terms of
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  Speaker 2: which teams are going to be in and going to
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  Speaker 2: be out. The NFC has a few things, but like
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  Speaker 2: the wild card spots for the NFC are kind of
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  Speaker 2: locked in with the Packers and the Vikings and the
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  Speaker 2: Lions all having so many wins. So, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: next two weeks fantasy wise, there's a lot of slates
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  Speaker 2: because Christmas it's split up. There's a two game slate
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday as well. So for DFS it's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fun. I mean there's big prize pools basically all
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  Speaker 2: throughout the week with these split up slates, the showdowns,
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  Speaker 2: things like that. But yeah, looking forward to the home
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  Speaker 2: stretch here, definitely looking forward to the playoffs. Playoff DFS
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  Speaker 2: is a lot of fun. I hope the sites do
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  Speaker 2: it right this year and that first round, like just
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  Speaker 2: give us, you know, the two day slates with all
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  Speaker 2: the games involved, just make it so much fun and
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  Speaker 2: post to like the two or three game slates, but
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  Speaker 2: we know what they're probably gonna do unfortunately. But either
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  Speaker 2: way though, we got a lot of slates and it
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  Speaker 2: makes a lot of fun for DFS to looking forward
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  Speaker 2: to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I recall last year, they did do the
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  Speaker 1: split slates like what you just said, but they also
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  Speaker 1: did give it a decent or like an okay four
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  Speaker 1: day for example, that you would get or for game
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  Speaker 1: over two days. But what the wait and see what
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  Speaker 1: they bring in? But title bring you in? Man, it's
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  Speaker 1: been a minute. You know, how's these speaking of suspense
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  Speaker 1: in the playoffs and you're even rocking Lions colors today
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  Speaker 1: with the new ship and hoodie. But how you feeling
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  Speaker 1: The Lions just lost another guy? You got the Ravens.
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  Speaker 1: Still they're looking good, man, Lamar throwing five touchdown throwing
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  Speaker 1: five touchdowns? Of course Josh Allen keeps breaking his heart
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to the MVP race. But how you feeling, man?
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  Speaker 1: What's going on?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm skilling.
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  Speaker 5: I mean I'm feeling the same way about the bet
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  Speaker 5: if like, I would give you the Ravens over the
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  Speaker 5: Lions any day, straight up. But like Hoops said, the
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  Speaker 5: path to the super Bowl is a lot harder in
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  Speaker 5: the end, or a lot harder in the AFC than
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  Speaker 5: it is the NFC, so I think it's a fair bet.
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  Speaker 5: I'm excited a little extra cheese on the line getting
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  Speaker 5: the playoffs. In terms of this game, man, it's tough
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  Speaker 5: in terms of dfs. Looking at the stone four guys
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  Speaker 5: above ten percent at captain, no one else, look at
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  Speaker 5: touchdown props, nobody better than plus one fifty to score
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  Speaker 5: on the slate like it's uh forty one and a
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  Speaker 5: half total.
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  Speaker 4: I believe it's.
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  Speaker 5: By far a really really interesting one, like running back
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  Speaker 5: room on both sides. There's no clear running back one,
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  Speaker 5: so I think there's a lot of ways to go
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  Speaker 5: on the slate, but it's definitely hard, like if you're
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  Speaker 5: only building one or two two teams, good luck tonight.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's difficult out there. But yeah, solid showdown.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, whispers kicker captain season because it might be it
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  Speaker 1: might be the spot we'll see. But the other thing too,
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  Speaker 1: don't forget Mahomes is gonna try through this ankle, it
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  Speaker 1: looks like, and he's got a Saturday game for the
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  Speaker 1: two games slate by the way, who mentioned it will
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  Speaker 1: have that covered him and title. We'll be there on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday morning with the show and then on Christmas Eve
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  Speaker 1: tight or hooping myself. Sorry, We'll have the two game
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  Speaker 1: Christmas Day slate. But the Ravens and the Chiefs, all
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  Speaker 1: the teams actually it's Houston, Kansas City, Pittsburgh and the
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  Speaker 1: Ravens all play on Saturday, and then four days later
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, play on the Christmas Day slate as well.
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  Speaker 1: So Mahomes has to jam through that. And there's got
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  Speaker 1: to be a bad Josh Allen game coming up. Let's
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  Speaker 1: hope it's in the first round of the playoffs and
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens end up getting a little bit of luck
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  Speaker 1: down the stretch to maybe find their way there. Hoop,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think last talk on that? I was
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  Speaker 1: talking with somebody last night, you know what who They
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  Speaker 1: told me they thought was gonna be in the Super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl and surprise us all. They said, the matchup we
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  Speaker 1: wanted last year. They said it's gonna be the Lions
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  Speaker 1: in the Ravens sneak through to the Super Bowl this year.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I don't see it, but
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about that one? And then we'll
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  Speaker 1: hop into the captain talk.
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  Speaker 2: I think the Ravens, I mean, definitely have a legitimate chance.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the fact that they had they had a
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  Speaker 2: couple of nasty win or losses along the way kind
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  Speaker 2: of put them behind everyone, like in the pecking order.
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  Speaker 2: You know, everyone's talking about the Bills for sure right
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  Speaker 2: now because of how well they're playing and just beat
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  Speaker 2: the shit out of the Lions. You know, everyone has
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  Speaker 2: the Chiefs lingering in the back of their heads, and
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  Speaker 2: then you kind of have the Ravens kind of just
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  Speaker 2: chilling there. I like the fact that they don't have
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  Speaker 2: to buy, so I know we made the bet and
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  Speaker 2: I felt I feel really good. I felt much better
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  Speaker 2: about the bet. Let's say, when it was placed without
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  Speaker 2: these Lions injuries, it's gonna be tough for the Lions
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  Speaker 2: like to get there with all these defensive injuries. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not even so worried about the Dave of Montgomery injury.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's like the least the one that has
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  Speaker 2: the least effect on all of them. Those defensive injuries
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  Speaker 2: are huge, Like Jamiir Gibbs is the stud, and then
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  Speaker 2: they're just gonna plug in one of these other guys
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  Speaker 2: to kind of to in a little bit. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't think the Montgomery injury is all that important for
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  Speaker 2: the Lions. Yeah, it sucks, but these defensive injuries are
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  Speaker 2: gonna be very, very tough to overcome. You saw it
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  Speaker 2: with the Bills, man, like they were just doing whatever.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I didn't mind that onside kick. We talked
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  Speaker 2: about it. The Bills were doing whatever they wanted offensively.
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  Speaker 2: They would have had fifteen yards in one play. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it would have been super super easy for them. Like,
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  Speaker 2: the Lions were never winning that game. So anyone that
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  Speaker 2: thought that onside kick cost in the game as an idiot.
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  Speaker 2: The Lions were drawing dead, that the Bills were winning
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  Speaker 2: that game no matter how it all played out. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely don't feel as good about the
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  Speaker 2: bat now as I did three weeks ago. These defensive
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  Speaker 2: injuries are just gonna be too much to overcome for
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  Speaker 2: the Lions. I don't think the Lions are even gonna
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  Speaker 2: get to the super Bowl now, which is.
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  Speaker 3: It hurts me to say.
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  Speaker 2: It definitely hurts me to say, but I just don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe a buyout on the way, we'll see, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: they get Aaron will go from there. Let's hop into it.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone sort of filed in and we're good to go
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  Speaker 1: on this one to talk about it title I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go to you. You mentioned already just sort of looking
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  Speaker 1: at the running back rooms a bit challenging, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's leading to pretty popular captains and maybe, well you're
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  Speaker 1: talking through it, I'll pull up the dry run quick
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  Speaker 1: to just we can share the screen and show everybody.
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  Speaker 1: But right now I'm seeing probably the same thing you
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  Speaker 1: are with Bonix, Courtland, Sutton, Herbert and mconkey. Everybody feels
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  Speaker 1: safe with those four. After that, it seems like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of uncertainty. So sort of knowing that as I'm
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  Speaker 1: pulling this up, how are you handling it or how
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  Speaker 1: are you looking at things when it comes to that situation.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it makes sense why the captain ownership's
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  Speaker 5: going there, because when you look at both running back rooms,
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  Speaker 5: pretty much anyone outside of those four is a huge risk.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean we're playing tournaments. Theres three underd k up.
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  Speaker 5: Top like risk isn't a bad thing by any means,
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  Speaker 5: but the floor is just so much less. Like Javonte,
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  Speaker 5: Williams and Aubert estimate, there is no Julia McLoughlin, So
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  Speaker 5: that helps, But like that very well could be a split.
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  Speaker 5: Seventy six hundred Davante isn't cheap by any means, Nor's
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  Speaker 5: fifty six hundred estimate. But like there's an unknown at
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  Speaker 5: the running back room there go to the flip side,
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  Speaker 5: it's Vidal and Gus Edwards. That looks like a pretty
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  Speaker 5: unknown situation to me. It looks to me like when
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  Speaker 5: they're playing from the lead, it'll be more Gus Edwards
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  Speaker 5: just a bruiser run up the middle, lead the clock
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  Speaker 5: where Vidala rookie, more explosive, more ways.
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  Speaker 4: That he can get the ball.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm kind of talling myself that, But I mean,
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  Speaker 5: what are we looking at a one or two and
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  Speaker 5: a half point favorites? Are the Chargers looking at the
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  Speaker 5: pricing on both of them? They're both expensive seven k
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  Speaker 5: gus sixty eight v dollar like they have to do something,
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  Speaker 5: maybe more than just one touchdown, So it makes sense
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  Speaker 5: why there's no running back getting a lot of captain ownership.
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  Speaker 4: So then I'm gonna look at like wide receivers, tight ends.
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  Speaker 5: I think Marvin Nim's Vala maybe they're fine, but Denver
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  Speaker 5: rotates at the wide receiver room, So it makes sense
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  Speaker 5: why you don't love captaining one them. Then you go
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  Speaker 5: to the other side with the Chargers. I think where
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  Speaker 5: I go to get different if I need to. I
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  Speaker 5: do like Javonte a little bit, but Joshua Palmer, Quinn
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  Speaker 5: Johnston and it's not fun at all. Quentin Johnson can't catch.
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  Speaker 5: Palmer's clearly way below lad and stuff. But if I
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  Speaker 5: was to play other people than those four captains, I think,
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  Speaker 5: I'm really going to go to that Chargers wide receivers.
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  Speaker 5: But then the problem is, Okay, Palmer catches one, Johnson
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  Speaker 5: catches one.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Herbert's fended out enough.
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  Speaker 5: Now he's gonna get there as the chalk captain, and
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  Speaker 5: your leverage kind of leverages stuff. But if they're getting
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  Speaker 5: there Chalk Herbert is also getting there, So by far
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  Speaker 5: the leverage of everything is the running back room. That's
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  Speaker 5: a complete unknown. Last thing I'll mentioned Stone Smart had
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  Speaker 5: a solid game last week. Hayden Hurst will be back
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  Speaker 5: this week again. Who exactly knows what's gonna happen there.
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  Speaker 5: It still looks like Stone Smart will be the starter.
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  Speaker 5: Ownership projections, everything has it that way, and I agree,
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  Speaker 5: I expect it to be that way, but who knows
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  Speaker 5: Hayden Hurston played last week, So a lot of a
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  Speaker 5: lot of unknowns, especially in the running back room on
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  Speaker 5: this slate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nice roundabout way of calling it out. And then
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  Speaker 1: the ship Demizer sort of did the exact same thing
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  Speaker 1: that we expected. You look at it here, this is
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  Speaker 1: the dry run heavy Herbert. After that, the next up
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  Speaker 1: with the quarterback. I talked about this a little bit
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  Speaker 1: yesterday just around the only thing in NFL this season
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  Speaker 1: that really sort of changed from a strategy perspective was
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  Speaker 1: handling these quarterbacks at the low prices in Showdown. They've
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  Speaker 1: not adjusted prices on quarterbacks and Showdown pretty much all season.
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  Speaker 1: You get the odd Josh Allen or Lamar or Hurts
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  Speaker 1: one that's up there a little bit. But these quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: are cheap versus the rest of the slate. It makes
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  Speaker 1: a little bit tricky. So who what do you see here?
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  Speaker 1: Man Herbert, Nicks, Mconkie, Sutton as expected, almost matching. We're
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  Speaker 1: just slightly getting leveraged in big leverage on Herbert on
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  Speaker 1: their ownership. But how are you handling that? And then
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  Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on captain overall?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, really that's the story of the slate and
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  Speaker 2: kind of. I don't want to be anti climatic, but
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  Speaker 2: it really is all that matters, really is what you
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  Speaker 2: do at Captain tonight because you know the four guys.
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  Speaker 3: You know how you know they're getting all the ownership.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably like, when it's all said and done, seventy
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  Speaker 2: five percent of the ownership in the cabin not probably
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  Speaker 2: not that high. Maybe seventy percent is coming from like
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  Speaker 2: those four guys. And you know, the price tags don't matter.
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  Speaker 2: It's easy to fit them in there. As you see,
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  Speaker 2: like if can you pull up flex on there, I
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  Speaker 2: can't imagine we're gonna have anything crazy in terms of flex. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like nope, We're not getting any random dude at a mass.
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  Speaker 2: It's just easy to fit those guys in there. They're
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  Speaker 2: the highest ceiling guys on the slate, the highest floor
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  Speaker 2: guys on the slate. Both quarterbacks have some running upside.
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  Speaker 2: The reason they're so popular though, is both teams the
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  Speaker 2: running back situation is a disaster for fantasy purposes.
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  Speaker 3: The wide receiver twos and.
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  Speaker 2: Threes and fours, there's really no stability outside of the
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  Speaker 2: two top guys. Tight end situation pretty wide open. I
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  Speaker 2: mean the Broncos rarely use their tight end, but when
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  Speaker 2: they do, it's like multiple guys had some stone smart
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  Speaker 2: situation lining up nice. Well, now Hayden Hurst is coming back.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to play kickers? Do you want to
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  Speaker 2: play defense? And so when you talk through position by position,
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  Speaker 2: you can see why these guys are getting all the ownership.
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  Speaker 2: So then the question is what do you do. Do
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  Speaker 2: you look to sell yourself on someone that you don't
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  Speaker 2: really love in the captain spot?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you do that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll find something as we go throughout the show.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I have a couple that I don't mind
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  Speaker 2: outside of the main four, but at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the slate it does seem very likely and I'll be
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  Speaker 2: curious to see on the stone like the optimal percent
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  Speaker 2: of being in the optimal because it is very hard
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  Speaker 2: to make a case. I mean, there's just not a
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  Speaker 2: lot of volume for anyone else on the slate besides
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  Speaker 2: the quarterbacks and these two wide receiver ones that are
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  Speaker 2: getting all the ownerships.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it truly is the story of the slate.
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  Speaker 2: Do you just embrace those four guys and try to
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  Speaker 2: get different, you know, maybe look for some five ones,
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  Speaker 2: look to leave a lot of salary on the on
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  Speaker 2: the table, like that sort of thing. So we'll talk
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  Speaker 2: through it all. I mean, I'm still pretty open, but
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  Speaker 2: I mean those four, I mean, it's hard to make
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  Speaker 2: a case against those four. They look to be in
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  Speaker 2: very good spots. And I do think overall, just talking
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  Speaker 2: big picture game situation, it's got to be a pretty
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  Speaker 2: good spot here for the Chargers to bounce back after
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  Speaker 2: just getting their asses kicked against the Bucks last week.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't I wasn't falling super close as in Florida
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: for my son's baseball tournament, but they lost like forty
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  Speaker 2: to what are forty to sixteen, forty to seventeen, Like
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  Speaker 2: they got their ass kicks. So it does seem like
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  Speaker 2: a pretty good bounce back spot for the Chargers. I
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  Speaker 2: might lean that direction a little bit when building teams.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that call out. I mean the you know,
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  Speaker 1: one thing I will note here that you pointed out
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  Speaker 1: is it wasn't like anybody got crazy up above, but
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  Speaker 1: the leverage spots, which I love that ship Deemizer shows
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  Speaker 1: it this way again, if these ownerships become accurate, when
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  Speaker 1: we get closer to game time, we'll know more. But
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  Speaker 1: even you know, ten percent on Troy Franklin. Eleven percent
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  Speaker 1: feels about right, Davis crawl your boy, Lil Jordan Humphrey.
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  Speaker 1: They just don't get a lot of ownership, and depending
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  Speaker 1: on their price tags, those guys are getting fifteen to
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  Speaker 1: eighteen percent. So I think it is what you said.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like the captain is so easy to fit
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  Speaker 1: those four and then you hinted at it and we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go there shortly. But to the stone, the stone is
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  Speaker 1: the most like. The matching up of the ownership to
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  Speaker 1: the optimal rate is the most I've seen all season.
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  Speaker 1: Where it's like you said, it's seventy to eighty percent
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  Speaker 1: of the optimal captains is these four. Seventy eighty percent
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  Speaker 1: of the ownership is that way You're and even the
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  Speaker 1: stuff they're giving to Javonte Williams to titles point earlier,
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  Speaker 1: it's still pretty hard to trust. Are you gonna handle this?
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  Speaker 1: And our guy Nags's in the chat about Blake Watson, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Sean Payton does like three running backs. I'm not making
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  Speaker 1: that super case. I'm just saying the idea of it.
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  Speaker 1: Could it be estimate it into the mix if he
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  Speaker 1: gets flown a little bit, could it be a guy
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  Speaker 1: like Watson get in and steal a top touchdown something
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  Speaker 1: like that. So it's not really like I would give
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  Speaker 1: Javonte Williams a ton of credit either I don't know
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  Speaker 1: title anything after seeing the dry run you want to
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  Speaker 1: touch on as well or back at captain at all.
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  Speaker 4: I'm stuck, man.
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  Speaker 5: It's really hard after those four, Like I like looking
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  Speaker 5: at props as you guys know a lot no rushing
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  Speaker 5: prop above forty yards today, then I'm talking about talking
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  Speaker 5: about like Joshua Palmer. His receiving prop is twenty nine
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: and a half yards, Like that's not exciting the captain
• 14:41
  Speaker 5: at all.
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, maybe it is
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: just those the ones I would add. Outside of those four.
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: My clear favorites are Javonte and Quintin Johnston and actually
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: looking at the stone, looking at the optimal percentage, I'm
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: glad it and matches up.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: The reason for that is Javonte.
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: The running backs leverage everything, and I feel best about
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: Javonte of the four, like I think the Gus Edwards
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: Vidal stuff has more of a chance to be a split,
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: and I feel best Davonte gets the.
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: Most work as a starting running back again.
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of just guessing at the end of the day,
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: and he leverages off the Sutton and.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Bo Nicks. Obviously, the Quintin Johnson stuff.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: He just has by far the second best receiving prop
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: on the Chargers stuff. He's a big guy. I mean,
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: if he catches the ball, some of them looks are
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: in the red zone. I'm just trying to make cases
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: for anybody but the real chalk. I think Johnston because
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: of the big play upside. Javonte is the running back
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: with a lot of leverage. He falls in the box
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: twice is probably good enough. So I think, actually, right now,
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: I might just go those six captains, Like it is
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: really really tough to make cases for other guys after
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: but hey, I'm all yours.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna talk through it. I didn't like the
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: slake coming in. I always tell people how I feel
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: about it, and part of the reason is that, like
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: when it's those captains, you're just gonna be looking for
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: unique ways to build. So it is gonna come down
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: to hoops point captain. But really what it comes down
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: to is your roster construction. Like you said, five to one.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: You know, however you want to separate it to get
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: different with it. And then also it's gonna come down
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: to just playing unique flex plays and leaving a bunch
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: of money to hope to get different. And even my
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: you know a little joke earlier, but whispers kicker, captain,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: guess what you end up on basically the same lineup
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: as everybody else, because now who do you fit the
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: four studs? And even if you'll limit it the three
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: of them, you know you're only going so many layers
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: with it. So I don't think this is an amazing
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: slate to, you know, peel back the layers and say,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: we've got so many different things we can do here.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Almost everything leads to a corner in the building and
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, we know where we're at. We're still
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: to try and ship it. There's still a ton of
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: money up top. We'll get to this later. Ross. But
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know about you. Speaking of a Hayden Hurson,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: remember me, maybe you'll remember that before he even got injured,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: he was getting healthy, scratched and on the bench. I mean,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: this wasn't their favorite guy anyway before the other stuff happened.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: So the funny, I'm just curious, what is there to remember.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Remember, I can tell you that. But if he has
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: a great game, good on him. My point would be too.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people betting these stones unders
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and some books actually have plus money on the under
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: on his receptions, because it's like, why he's just gonna
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: disappear off the face of the earth. Disley's still out.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Hurst is coming back from who knows what, and they
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: didn't even like him before that. So we'll see how
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: it actually goes tonight and when we get to tight end.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: But he goes, I don't even think he can remember
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: with all the concussions. That's so good. Shout out to
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Ross always there with the good ones. We appreciate it, man.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So I'm with title. You can add some of these
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: other guys in that he had mentioned. But let's let's
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: go to the Stone. If we've got to circle back
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to Shipdemiser, we can. If you guys want to get
• 17:33
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• 17:34
  Speaker 1: you here, you can go to ship nation dot com.
• 17:36
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• 17:40
  Speaker 1: still on? I think it just told me Okay, yeah,
• 17:44
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• 17:46
  Speaker 1: this right now because we still left on the deal
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: for you just to lock in this will be this
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: will keep you through with other things coming back. But
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: just to note when you go to join the nation
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: single sport right now, football has the rest of season
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: through Super Bowl. Who mentioned it, But like this week
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: we have Showdown Tonight, two Gamer, Saturday Showdown, Sunday Night
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Main Slate, Sunday Showdown, Monday Night, two Gamer, Christmas Day Showdown.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: There there's like seven or eight slates in the next
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: week that are gonna be considered main slates, just not
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: a classic slate, only one on Sunday. So rest a season.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Not not a good time to have a small content team,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot going on. Ninety nine bucks gets you
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the rest of season. I'm talking about all those slates
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: are just for this week and then you get rest
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: of season. Wish ship demizer like we talk about running
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the dry run, showing you guys that stuff. I think
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: it's one of the most overlooked pieces and one of
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the biggest myths in all of dfs. When people talk about, oh,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: you don't eat an optimizer unless you're playing one hundred
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and fifty lineups. You literally need one when you're doing
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: that it makes your life easier and time saving and
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: all that and does a better job for you. But
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: even when you're playing one to three max, there's so
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: many ways you can use an optimizer to your advantage,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: So keep that in mind as well. And then it'll
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: be coming up soon. But PGA is coming back also,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and the promos are already in there for the savings
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: off of these prices. But if you are getting primed up,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have a huge PGA season ahead. And that's
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: why I left it off the top. If you want
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to get the all access and lock in now, that's
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: gonna be the rest of football, all the NBA and
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: NHL we've got going on. MMA will be back eventually.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It's on a bit of a little break right now.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: But PGA coming back starting two weeks in January with
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the Century, so keep that in mind. You'll get the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: stone all that. But hoop, I'll bring this up. Man.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Here's what I was telling you about. Look at it here, Captain,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: where's it at? Captain? Optimal twenty point six, fourteen point three,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: twenty two and sixteen point three. Like title says, it's
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: kind of giving you some quentin. It's kind of giving
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you some javante, but it's they're just next up. It's
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: not like it really loves them, so we're gonna be
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: looking at it that way. Anything else you see here,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: hoop early, Yeah, just.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: One thing I did want to point out, like in
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: terms of joining us, if you're not a member, I mean,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: great time because PJA started up. Like you said, we've
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: already been meeting. We have some big plans for PGA season,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and there is some pretty substantial overlap. I mean, the
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: PGA season starts right away, and we had all the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: way through the NFL playoffs too, so you know, double
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: dipping on two of our very big sports, NFL and PGA.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: So great time to get in with the all access
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and just lock that in and you don't have.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: To worry about it. So I just wanted to point
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: that out.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean kind of what we expected though,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: you know, with those high own captains, like it's very
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: likely that they're the optimal captain. I mean twenty we
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: got basically twenty one percent for Nicks, fourteen percent for Sutton,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: twenty two for Herbert Herbert, and then lad at sixteen.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I mean after that, you're looking at Javonte Williams, who.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I just I don't kind of mention the name.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was a ringing endorsement, but I
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: just can't imagine clicking that name in the captain spot,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and now I might not even click it in the
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: flex spot. We'll get into it when we talk about
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: running backs as well. I mean, the running back room
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: is just nasty, just talking captains. Though, out of those four,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: after those four, I guess it's gonna be a guy
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: that I've absolutely shit on forever and rightfully so, because
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: he can't catch the fucking football. It's Quintin Johnson, Like
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I guess he would be the one that I would
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: go to. I mean, despite him not catching the football,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: they still want to throw him the football for some reason.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Ten targets last week. They're obviously trailing seven the week before,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: but he's getting red zone targets as well, touchdown in
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: back to back games. He's got a big body, like,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: despite him sucking at actually catching a football like, they
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: still want still continue to throw them the football, which.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Is a good thing for fantasy purposes. So for me, he.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Would probably be the fifth after that group of four.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: But after that, I just I don't know if I
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: can click these names man, like any of them. It's very,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: very difficult. So just to kind of wrap up the
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: captain conversation, those four look and I think that's the
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: reason why you don't necessarily like this slate all that
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: much is because it is it's just hard to make
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the case, like who do you make the case for
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: after you know, say like kickers defenses, Like do you
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: really want to go that route? It's just very difficult
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: to make the case. Prize pools are still big though,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: like you go ahead, yeah, no.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: No, sorry, I thought you're done. I was gonna say
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: that was literally the point I made earlier on the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Kicker stuff is like that's what makes it more tricky
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: than just these four being the guys. We still have
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to look for angles and when we get to the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: flex stuff here and some roster construction will give some
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: angles in. But just to say it, like even the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: quintin Johnston, I'm gonna play him because you know, the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: thing I cared the least about is matchups in one
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: game slates like this, but literally they he can't catch
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the ball, and now he's going up against certain where
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: they might not throw them the ball as much. That's
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the matchup. He will get the most of these guys again,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: big ceiling, no one playing him, love him, get him
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: in the pool. To me, Vilay him are sort of
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the outliers for me more than even Javante because I'm
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more on estimate when we get
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to it in the flex just trying to run this
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: guy out. Later in the season we should see it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But and Peyton how he moves things around. The moves
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: things around there, so we'll think of it from that perspective.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, not much else to addit. Captain titled did
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: you have anything else at captain or roster construction or
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: if not, you could start, you know, just talking about
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks Nicks versus Herbert and sort of bleeding it
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: out from there. What does that mean who they're rolling
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: it out to, all that sort of stuff.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Vla Stones Smart, I think are in play,
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: and I to be honest, I think it's really close
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: to Johnson and Javante because of the price and the
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: savings it offers you with Like I mean, I do
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: think Johnston and Javante have higher ceilings, but I don't
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: even know how much higher At.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: The end of the day and you're getting big boy
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: savings if you do.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: Think Smart is still tight end one and then vlay
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: his price tags very fair. I prefer him to Mims
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: because of his snapcount. He's on the field a lot more.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: MS can take one play for ninety seven yards to
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: be seen, though, but I don't hate the VLA Smart.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: If you're wanting to all.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Four of the captains we mentioned very high price, you're
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: completely flipping the build if you do that, though, again,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: you still have to get different in some spots. You
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: can't just leave your dollars with Chopp there running back. Yeah,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: I mean it's really really hard. But how I have
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: how I rank it is Javonte one the doll two
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: estimate three, and I'm probably gonna say Watson over Gus.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Gus is by far my least favorites, and the reason
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: for that is just man, he's a I think he
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: stinks that football game. Log's awful. When he does get
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: the ball, it's a straight handoff. I think he at
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: that price he probably needs a fall in the box twice.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Maybe once in the flex is fine, But I just
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: think is because he's not a great pass catcher. Because
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: gamescript wise, he can be out of the game plan
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: if they do get down.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: I just think he's the worst running back play of
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: the four.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: I like, like, I'm thinking it's gonna be Javonte, but
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: game three wise estimate for two K cheaper and almost
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: half the ownership.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: I don't hate that at all.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: And he is the rookie who knows what's gonna go
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: on there the Blake Watson stuff. He's gonna be in
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: my pool for now. You guys can maybe talking me out.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: I do like what Big Nate said, though, like Noahjilal McLoughlin,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: seany they do run a good amount of Sean Payton
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: does a three running back stuff like this Burton guy
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: was getting in last week. McLoughlin got hurt mid game,
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: but he had fifteen touches SMA thirteen or snaps thirteen
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: estimate Javonte thirty four. Maybe Watson gets twelve snaps or
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: thirteen snaps at two hundred. We've seen crazier things on
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: the winner, But I guess that shows how much I
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: hate Gus Edwards if I'm talking Watson over him.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: But yeah, Jonte Vidal estimate really the three for me?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just a couple of notes. One, you know, this
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: was something I actually forgot about, but I dug into it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So you know, I was in Nashville, and I think
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: he left with the ankle injury or something on that
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: game that would be even more interesting. But they did
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: list him as a full participant even on Monday, so
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: he was right back to it. It sounds like it's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: just a sprain that could be like a light sprain
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: or something that could be bothering him, so to see. Obviously,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: if he was out, then give me more Quinton Johnson.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I'd be even happier about that because then it'd be
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: at least an opportunity. The other the running back stuff though,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: and I'll go to you on this hoop unless you
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: got more to add it. Quarterback is just the Javonte
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Williams is right there with Estimate and Watson. But on
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the other side it was just mentioned, like with Haskins,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I don't like guzz Edwards as much. And it's not
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: just because of Haskins. It's also because Vidal and Bedal's
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: pop in a little bit here too. And I've been
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: talking about this a lot lately, but this is just
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a medium projection all the sites do this, including ours.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the standard. We have to expect some
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: sort of split get a number on it. But you
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: can go and ship tomizer and I have it up here,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and you can just go here and go back to
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: players and scroll down to the running backs and instead
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of eight point five and eight point seven, you can
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: dock it directly right. You can go this and twelve
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: point seven. Guess what that's on the optimizer. A lot's
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: gonna change if you've got it more like that. And
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: so I think that's something that's interesting where people will
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: look at their line and say, well, I can't do
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that because this guy's cheaper around the same price, And
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's hit. You got to go with what
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you think on this stuff. So, did you have anything
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: else on quarterback hoop? If not, you can go to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: running back, But I think the running back is the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: more interesting conversation here.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean definitely as much as I can get
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: in the flux. I mean quarterback. I prefer Herbert over Nicks.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I'm gonna side with the Charger stuff sale.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I think it's a good spot for
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the Chargers tonight to kind of bounce back a little
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: bit at home, So I'm gonna lean the Charger stuff.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Whenever it's like one or the other.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a lot of Herbert, gonna have a
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: lot of Knicks, but prefer Herbert running backs. I mean,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be fading. Probably one or two of these
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: guys haven't built teams, but way underweight on the group
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: as a whole, regardless, like the total ownerships between the
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: main four you talk about Williams, Vidal Edwards, estimate total
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: ownership is like one hundred percent. I'd say between all
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: those guys we have twenty seven, so like forty two.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: There with the Broncos guys dull twenty so then that's
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: another forty.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: So yeah, like.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Around ninety percent. I'll probably have like twenty five to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: thirty percent total of these guys, and a couple will
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: be fades, and I'll have this up after the show
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: at some point within the next couple hours. But like
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the estimate stuff, I get it, Like he's young, people
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: want to play him.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: The dude has not scored.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: More than five point five Fantasy points all season long,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and he's had games where he's gotten like legitimate work like,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I know you had that one good team when he
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: was getting like all the work at the end of
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: the game and like just couldn't do it, like five
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: and a half Fantasy points all season long, highest game, Like, man,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: that's just tough to click. Gus Edwards fucking sucks, like
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: title said. He said in much nicer terms. And then
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: like I said, but I'll say the truth, he sucks.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Man. He's not good v doll sure, but it's the
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: same thing.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: It's like, doesn't do anything like three carries nine yards,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: eight carries thirty four that's actually relatively good, but has
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: not cracked had one game in double digits. And then
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I guess, by default, Javonte Williams is my favorite because
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: he's actually done something and he has a chance.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: To score a touchdown.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: So I'll say that, like, out of all these guys,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I'd like Javonte Williams the most. I mean, he's right
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: within the same range price right wise as these guys.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I mean all four of them are within two thousand. Like,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll just take Davonte Williams if I have to,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and I'll be underweight on Javante. So I gotta see
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: you when I go through, but this is just a
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: pathetic group of running backs, and like there's routes where
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: even if they get one touchdown like Title sub where
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: they're not on optimal like at these price tags, they
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: got to do something. They got to do more probably
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: than like one touchdown. So it's a very pathetic group.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Just looking at these guys, I guess Williams is my favorite,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: but that is no endorsement for Javonte Williams.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: So take it, take it for what it's worth.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about taking it right to wide receiver then,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: because if you don't love these guys, there has to
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: be a you know, another setup with your roster construction.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Because I think we've talked through the running backs enough.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: The wide receivers. We mentioned Sutton Mconkey, we talked a
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: little bit about Johnston, but it's more like the overpriced Palmer,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: which is just going to be considered that way. I'm
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: not calling. I'm saying it's when you look at like
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: VLA at four thousand, I think a lot more people
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and I know the ownership doesn't quite show it yet,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: but I think a lot more people are gonna have
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: interest in landing there versus landing on sixty four hundred dollars, Palmer,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: So what are you doing at the wide receiver position.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a difficulty with this slate.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I mean you go from like a bunch of shitty
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: running backs to a bunch of shitty wide receivers that
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you don't want to play, and you know, that's where
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: it does get, you know, pretty challenging. And that's why
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: you're gonna see a lot of people on the same stuff.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: You know, Ladd and Sutton, we already we know the story.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: They're they're both fine options like in the in the Captain,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: in the flex after that, like man like Quintin Johnson
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: eighty four hundred. That is a big boy price tag
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: for Quentin Johnson. But it's almost like a necessity to
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: kind of include them on the slate, Josh Palmer, like
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: you said, looks a little overpriced at sixty four. Then
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: you got some of these other crap dudes like Darius Davis,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: DJ char all these and I say it a lot
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: on these slates, and it does remain true, like all
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: these random wide receivers are just gonna be much better
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: if you're playing like the quarterback captain. So like all
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: these guys are just better suited for that that I
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: just mentioned. The Chargers guys better suited for like Herbert
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: captain teams, especially the cheapies, but a lot of guys
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: that they're willing to mix in on the On the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Denver side, we got Sutton Mims, big playoffside. I do
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: like Val and the one thing about him, like I
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: just built the team. We kind of talked about him
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and the captain, like if you play those four studs
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: with the chief captain, there's just no way around it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be like the same as everybody else. So
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: if you put him up in the captain, then you're
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: gonna play Sutton, lad the quarterbacks, Nicks, and and Justin Herbert.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Like that's what everyone's gonna do. So if you are
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: playing chief captains, look to leave at least one of
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: those guys off. It's still going to be duplicated, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: that's one thing I'd be looking to do, you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Troy Franklin, I'm fine with at three K and then
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: like little Jordan. You know, we've joked a lot this season,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: like but bo Nick's captain teams probably only for a.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Guy like like Little Jordan.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, like I'm gonna
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: take my chances on these shitty wide receivers over the
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: shitty running backs, and they just have an advantage on
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: DraftKings scoring like with the the PPR stuff, and if
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: you are playing the captain quarterbacks, they just fit the
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: builds like.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Much much better.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: So I will probably make some big fades at running back,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: but for for wide receiver, just out of necessity, like
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to play some of these dudes and
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: take chances. I don't don't love really anyone, I do.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I do prefer those Denver I do like those Denver
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: guys a little bit in that range, like Mims vle
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and and and Franklin, like forty four hundred four K
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: three K. I do like those guys a little bit,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I guess. So maybe maybe an endorsement for those dudes
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and no one else.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Well, That's what I'm gonna go to title on because
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: that's the thing, Like a lot of things are being said,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the Blake Watson's are being thrown out, not not just
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: hear in the chat as well, the Haskins stuff, the
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you know, the Palmer Davis, the Franklins. It's like you
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: That's the other thing about this slate is when you're
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: on those So for me, you know what I was
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: gonna say title is when I'm going to these captains,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I may just end up capping it like honestly at
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: like forty eight five or forty nine or something to
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: night just because so there's no way that you're getting
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: that much different. And yes you can, and you can
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: dig through it and look at the sims and do
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: all these different things. You'll be able to find different
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: rosters that you can make a case for. But I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: then I think what people are gonna run into is
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: they're never gonna have enough of what they're saying, Like
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: they're gonna they're not gonna Oh I had Watson over here,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: but not over there. I had Haskins in that one,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and I needed it to be Watson or whatever it
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: might be in these scenarios. The only way to do
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: it is to sort of just commit to what you
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: want your player pool to be get enough of the
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: exposure around, even if you are spreading it out something
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: to make sure you have some of it with each
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: person at the captain to hoops win. It really does
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: come down to the captain and then that's the frame
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: of mind outside of it. But you are all these
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: lineups just end up on the same build path where
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: you end up with those three of those three of
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: those four studs, and which just makes it a trickier slate.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to give some context to those
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: out there that we don't just want to come in
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and call it a shitty slate and say it sucks.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: We got to find out how to beat it. That's
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the ultimate thing. We all got the same puzzle to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: play with. That to me, I'm thinking right now, title
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: is at least a way that I can make it
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: so no matter who I end up on up there,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I end up with some different stuff, and I can't
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: really be mad if I missed out on the big
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: chop if it was like a forty nine to eight lineup.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Just to add on to that, because that is a
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: really good point. I mean when you put this into
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: context of the slate. So let's say you have I
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: don't care like some quarterback captain team and you have
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Josh Palmer in there at sixty four hundred. All that's
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: doing what you just said is taking you from Palmer,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: which most people will land on if they have the salary,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: and then you're just going down to Marvin Memmes leaving
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: two thousand dollars on the table. Any optimizer probably just
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: gives you Palmer, right, I mean, and that's a team
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: that everyone's gonna have. You're now saying, Okay, I can't
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: fit that team because my salary constraints here. So what
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I am gonna get is Mems or vele or even Franklin,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: which will be people have that team but at a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: much much much smaller rate.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and title you, I'll let you hop In down
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: because you've talked about that plenty of times. That's the way,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: because that's the same thing I talked about earlier. With
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: moving the projection around. You're just saying, if Quentin Johnston fits,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: but I can't get him, and it drops me to
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Palm or like Hoop said the other way, dropping it
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: from Palmer down to another one. Well, they already almost
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: have the same projection. It's just likely gonna be a
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: lot less owned when that happens, right, because I've got
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: tons of money left over on the table. Go ahead,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: hop In, Yeah, no, for sure.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: I mean Gus Edwards or vdald on the son smart
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: if you hate the running back room, Javonte down to
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: VLA Leave thirty six, like all that stuff makes a
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: lot of sense. Receiver room interesting. I'll start Charger aside
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: since it's a lot easier. It's clearly lad Johnston Palmer's
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: wide receiver threes or as the three receiver sets. That
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: does not mean they're not mixing another guys, though it
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: was Darius Davis for a little while.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: He's fumbled it back to back games. Last week.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: I believe was a kickoff or put return early and
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: he got two s so I think right from there
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: he fumbled Week fourteen. What fun Week fifteen he got cut.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: DJ Chark and Laviska got the snaps. Darise Davis only two,
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: nine Chark seven, Laviisca. I think I'm gonna play a
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: little DJ Chark of the wide receiver four that no
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: one's gonna play, just anyone that no one's gonna play
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: on this slate. You give me fifteen snaps from DJ
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: Chark on this slate. I mean he got two catches
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: last week. He's actually I think solid at football. It's
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: late in the year. I don't know he again, he
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: was injured almost all year, came back Week fourteen, fifteen
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: snaps nine last week. He's the only other guy that
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: I would play. I don't like Davis. I wish Viska
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: had a bigger role on some other teams. I think
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: he is a solid football player, but not gonna go
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: there on this slate because the Broncos, like all five
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: with them you see on the screen, are all gonna
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: get in the game. And that is why I'm gonna
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: be playing more Broncos receivers. My pool is gonna be bigger. Now,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: I will say, by far, my least favorites Little Jordan Humphrey. Besides,
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: of course the one week you needed he is as
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: cheeks not playing him. Troy Franklin is the one that
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: I think is probably the most interesting. Of course I
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: like Sutton, mccacky, etc. But looking at ownership, we have
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: almost half of Delay and NIMS at a cheaper price tag.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: When you're looking at snaps, we had our NIMS runs
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: the least amount by far compared to those four Nims
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: only had sixteen snaps last week twenty nine. Franklin, thirty
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: eight Delay, twenty one, Humphrey fifty or fifty seven Sutton.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: That shows that Lil Jordan Humphrey even outscored Nims. Now,
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: when Nims is on the field, a lot of design
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: plays for him really fast, either long ball, screen passes,
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: et cetera. So he has hot more high usage routes
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: or whatever high valued routes.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Whatever the word.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to say neither of those two, but you
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: get what I'm saying. When he's on the field, he's
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: more likely to actually do something, but he's not on
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: the field nearly as much. Troy Franklin at ten percent
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: is the one that stands out. Again only three K,
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: he was on the field for almost fifty percent of snaps.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: I'm definitely in on him. Lil Jordan my least favorites.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Nims would be my second least favorite. I do like
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: delay a lot. I like Troy Franklin, I like Sutton
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: other side of like Ladd Johnston, Palmer will be playing
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: some chart but yeah, that's uh, Broncos wide receiver room's
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: really tough and all of them will be played. I
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: will say, though, man, if it is two point eighty
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: six percent for Lil Jordan, as much as I just
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: crapped on him, like twenty or thirty three percent of snaps,
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: I don't love it. But to be honest of all this,
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: it looks like Mimes. Now he's gonna go off for
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: like twenty five but man thirty twenty five percent of
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: snaps and he's number two in ownership in the receiving room. Again,
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: I get it because of his high valued stuff, but
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: that seems a little crazy to me.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say, like that's the other thing about
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the rule. I just look at it even more now.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: It's like my Javonte goes to estimating who I'm more
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: fine with my my Quentin Johnston goes to Joshua Palmer.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: My my Palmer goes down to Stone Smart. Like all
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: all these moves to me, the one you just mentioned,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Mims and Vla go down to Franklin. I'm good with
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: all these moves that it's gonna lean into because it
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: is still gonna want to put those other four guys.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And the funniest thing is the projections. Again, it's only
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: First of all, it's only a median projection. Second of all,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: it's like to me, it's just as likely or fine
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: with the way snaps one up where it's five point
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: six versus seven two or seven six, and the ownership
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: is probably gonna be half by the time together. It
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: almost is as we speak, So realistically, I'm fine with
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: moves like that, and I think even if you're handbuilding out,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: just look at that. Get to your lineup. If you
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: land on Marvin Mims, make a decision, do you want
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: to have a similar lineup to everybody else that has Mims. Yes,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: he's a home run play waiting to happen. We just
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: saw it. Most these receivers are. Though, maybe it is
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Franklin's turn, because we've seen Vlay, We've seen Mims get
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the big one. We've seen Humphrey get that one at
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the end of the game that time, and then now
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: you got Maybe it's Franklin. I don't know. But the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: point being, any of these guys can plug in and
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be well within range of projections. You're just
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: gonna have a much more unique lineup. And before I
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: go back to your title, just on the tight end stuff,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I will say, now that one whoops. When you guys
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: don't love it's like going in. Do you find it
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: usually correlates with having less success. I don't. It's more
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: a transparency and honesty thing for me, just to tell
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: you if I don't like a slate, and I almost
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: always will have a reason. When I love a slate,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I have a reason. When I hate a slate, I
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: have a reason. I think today's reason is good. But
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: if I'm playing a slate, I'm preparing the same as
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: anything else. I'm preparing to win six figures and win
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the money on the slate. Doesn't matter what my feeling
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: is going in. I'm just more so being honest about
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: why this could be considered a bad slate, and then
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: you can take that for what it's worth and apply
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: it to your own game, your bank roll management, your
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: contest selection, whatever it might be. But just noting that,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you guys had a different opinion
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: on that, But I play it the same way.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I just got to work a little harder, honestly. I mean, like,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: if you don't like, assuming you play every slate, if
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: you're someone that's playing every slater, majority of slates, and
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: you know you're playing for sure, I mean, when you
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: don't like a slate, that means the field probably doesn't
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: like the slate either, And a lot of the I
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: mean a lot of the reasons we don't like the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: slate today. I think, you know, speaking for all of us,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: because I think we've all kind of said the same
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: stuff is it's like the duplication of it and finding
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: something that's going to be a little bit different is tough.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: And in showdown, the way.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: You do that is maybe with a different sort of
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: captain or something, and we're just not seeing it on
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the slate, So you gotta work a little bit harder.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Like Tambo, you know, laid out the leaving the fifteen
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: hundred on the table and being fine with that, I
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: think makes a ton of sense on the slate. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: there's other things you can do too, like roster construction
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: five ones or you know, how you correlate things, maybe
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: negatively correlate some teams because any it's a one game slate,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: anything can happen, like so a lot of different ways
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: you can do it, but just got to work work
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit harder, assuming you're playing playing the slate,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: And if you.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Do, I'll tag onto it because you said a couple
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: of things there. One is also, uh, I love the
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: line you said other people are thinking that and they
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: their success probably does correlate negatively to it because they're
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: not going to keep putting in the same work or
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the same steps or making you'll look at for those
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: angles of attack. In the second thing you said, though
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: is is true, but also to flip it, it's like
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's very easy, you know.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: What I mean.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be a ton of people that find unique
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: lineups tonight. It's hard to see those being as good
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: with this slate. Like people are gonna go leave forty
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: people are gonna cap it forty five tonight. Get the
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: report on X that says they have one hundred and
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: fifty unique lineups and congrats to them. We can get
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty uniques tonight by capping at forty
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Definitely, And if you're gonna do it anywhere,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: showdown is the place to do that. To my point,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: but what we're saying is when we look at the stone,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and it's a great example, and it doesn't mean what's
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: always gonna be right, But when you see the optimal
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: percentages on these guys and you know that three of
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: them fit in almost every build, if not four, it
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: makes it so it's more it's less likely for the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: outliers to happen as much as what it looks like
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: is going to be optimal based on the unknowns and stuff.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: So you just have to embrace it, play for it,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: build for it, and find your way to the top
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that way. So I'm excited for that title. Kick it
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: back to you for the tight Ends man. We talked
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit about Hurst coming back. We've got the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: other side where even you can get on the Adkins diet,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: which before I send it over to you on tight End,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: actually you said one thing that was funny, and it's
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: more about the chart being funny. Darius Davis fumbles. We
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: gotta get to get him out of there. Let's go
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: sign Labiska Chanalt who just got dropped for fumbling twice
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: in the same game on kickoff returns. And it's like
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: with him, I had a lot of love for Labisca
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: coming in. I heard good things, saw and saw a
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: lot of things on him coming in, but he just
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: hasn't seemed to pay it off anywhere yet. So I'm
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: not sure if you saw that, but take us whenever
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: you want there tight End.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was a big play dude at Colorado for sure,
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: and he had moments in Caroline and stuff taking screens long.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: But yeah, you gotta hold on the football, and it
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: is clear that there's probably a reason he's not playing.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: But then I'm probably giving these coaches and gms too
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: much credit when you can't trade for a guy because
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: it's Madden rating.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so bad.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's one more insane things of all time.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: But oh, last thing to this too.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: I mean Tampa mentioned at the top, we have like
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: nine slates in the next week. It feels like too
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: play fifty percent of your volume, play seventy.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Like you can play less money too. If you don't
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: like the slight that way.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: It doesn't mean you have to fully fade the slate,
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: but you hate the slate and then you lose the
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: same amount you always lose. You'd be more upset about
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: yourself than just scaling back a little bit. So and
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: or I like what Big Marley said we MMA one
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: week he decided to play five lineups in the five
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: to fifty five or usually MMS. The slate told them
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: that Djen talks about that a good amount too. I
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: think that could be there. Maybe you always play m
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: ME today you don't love it as much. You just
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: love bon Knicks captain, you play one Bone Knicks captain
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: or whatever it may be, So always think about stuff.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Just don't do the same thing every single day. Tight
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: ends sting.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: I mean you can kind of see if by ownership
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: a Stone Smart twenty percent, everyone else below ten easy
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: for me on the Broncos side, Easy might not be
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: the right word, but by far the clear favor for
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: me is Crawl, and the reason for that is the savings.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: All these guys are pretty much on the field the
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: same twenty seven snaps for Troutman, twenty nine for Akins,
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: twenty four for Krawl.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Give me the guy that is the least expensive out
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: of all of them.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Now, I will say, if you're playing multiple teams the
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: Troutmans and the Atkins of the world, is a way.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: If you are playing Chalky one of the four Chalk captains,
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: that is a way to get different.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: Nim's down to one of those guys. B lay down
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: to one of those guys. Again, I don't love it,
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: but it's a way to get different they're on the field.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Crawl is my preferred play because of his price, charger stuff.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: I definitely do like Stone Smart for the price I'm
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: gonna be playing it as if he is the starter,
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: and hayden Hurst, even though he's coming back, is tight
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: End two. But I will play a little or hayden
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: Hurst because they do run some twelve personnel both them
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: on the field. And if we're wrong, what if hayden
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: Hurst is the starter, he might be a third a
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: fourth of the ownership is chalk.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: Stone, Smart four cheaper tag.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: And again you're comparing him to guys like Little Jordan,
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: Lucas Krawl, DJ Chark, Darius Davis. It's not Blake Watson,
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: It's not fun any of those guys way way down below.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: So maybe two catches and thirty yards for Hurst is
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: good enough. So tight End's gross. I rank its Stone, Smart,
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: and a tier of his own probably Crawl Hearst.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it's really gross after Smart.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone talks about Krawl. Male loves to talk about
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: him too, because the movie or whatever. But like the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: guy always the best pass catcher gets, he doesn't even
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: get very many targets ever, So I don't really care
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: about that. The Adkins diet is where it's at, man,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: That's what Nick Westbrook, a Keene. Those guys are all
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: on where you just catch two touchdowns, like Noah Gray
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: is on the same diet too. You go play Nate Adkins.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: He's got like nine catches two touchdowns. He costs a
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: ridiculous amount. Why would he be more expensive than Krull
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: just to bust up your lineups and hurt them. So
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: that's the one where my salary won't help me because
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: he's one thousand more or twelve hundred more, I should say,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: double the price of Krawl. But I'll be happy to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: play him at you know, if he's actually two percent
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: or something like that, just take a shot on guys
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: like him and Troutman there and then on the other side,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the Stone Smart ownership will hold up.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: If I don't know, it depends, Hoop, I'll go to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you because Hurst's coming back. This panel doesn't seem thrilled
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: about him. We all seem fine with the Stone Smart stuff,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: But the ownership also seems fine with the Stone Smart stuff.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I just don't think they're just gonna phase him out completely,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and people are forgetting that they didn't even want Hurst playing.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: He was healthy, healthy scratch like two of the games
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: before the injury or whatever else. It was it took
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: him out completely, so who knows.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: It's it's the remember his name game though, So I mean, yeah, he's.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Gonna let everyone know he put him back on notice.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: You know the nice thing though about him being in
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: it's gonna people some people will second guess the stone
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Smart play and not a time. He's still gonna get owned,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but like it's gonna bring down
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: the ownership a little bit Hayden Hurst being in there.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm with you guys. I'm sticking with stone Smart
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: for sure. I mean, it's Hayden freaking hurt. It's not
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: like Travis Kelcey is coming back from injury. We're talking
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Hayden Hurst. So you might stay too.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: I might not care this year.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they give me that.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: It's not like brock Bowers is coming back.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Is that better?
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Much better?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's Hayden Hurst. It's not brock Bauers coming back
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: from injury. So I'm sticking with stone Smart. I'm actually
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: glad Hurst is in because if Hurst is out and
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: got the stone Smart situation, I mean he's massive, massive
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: ownership and he's still gonna have big time ownership. We're
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: showing twenty. I hope it's twenty. I mean, I think
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: it probably still is a little bit higher. But if
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: like Hurst is out, like Stone, Smart is like probably
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: close to forty percent play on the slate.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: So I mean I'm smart.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: I will have some Hurst. The Denver guys I just
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: like better.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: In bon Knicks captain teams, Like I'll have him in
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: non Bonnix captain teams. But they're fine. Like you said,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: the Nate Atkins play definitely good for a you know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: bon Knicks captain team if he finds him in the
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: ends only he said he scored a lot of touchdowns
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: somehow this season, which is remarkable.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: But you know, probably don't want multiple of the Denver tight.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Ends in the same lineup, so or not, not too
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: much more to add than what you guys have to say.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Do you know Hunter Hurst Helmsley though you could remember him.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: That could be the guy bring back a little wrestling
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: action today. If any wrestling fans out there, they'll know it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: But I think that's what's funny about this slate too,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: is like we don't want the running backs now, we
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: want to exit all the tight ends. Oh we just
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: land on those same four plays again. The two quarterbacks
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: and the two pass catchers. So yeah, it is gonna
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: be a fun slate. I don't think it's a great one,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: but like I said, it's it's gonna be fun to
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: try and figure out the puzzle of it. And that's
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: what I'm all about. I love that and so just
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: funny that everything leads back to the same hence why
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: that's the ownership and that's where it's at. So title
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: anything on kickers and defenses.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: Man, and you have to play them.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: I mean, if all these if everything sucks like we
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: keep saying, I mean, you gotta play them. I'm gonna
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: have a bunch of these kickers, no doubt about that.
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: Defense is always more of a tough click. Let's see
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: ownership fifteen Chargers, thirteen Broncos at that price, I mean,
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: give me the kickers for sure. I'll have a ton
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: of the kickers. You mentioned kicker captain from the top.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: I guess I don't even hate it. I almost never
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: do it, so I doubt I do today. But I
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: will say certain, like we keep talking through the slit,
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: I know I who hated the running backs.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: I liked them a little more.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: I probably will have to play estimate Javonte d Doll
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: probably close to field and just hope what the leverage
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: it offers with the lack of stuff, like if I
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: need to get different, I don't like too many of
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: these different pieces down here.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: It's a tough slate.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: But I definitely love kickers, and I will say defenses,
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: I'm more likely to play in chalkier teams because they
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: are a way to get different. Like maybe Broncos are
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: ten percent, Charters are thirteen, Like that is a way
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: to get different on the slate.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: But I have kickers for sure.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say I'm always looking at poke holes.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: It's our own stuff and I love it. But it's
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: like sometimes I'm just looking for ways in case, you know,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: maybe I can figure it out or I think different.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I think you just picked one where I see these
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: numbers and maybe they fall in line, but maybe they
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: go if they go anyway. Is my point here is
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: it's what you said. I think Lutz would be higher
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: owned and the Broncos lower. I think Cameron Dicker could
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: even be in twenty two twenty five percent ranges. Not
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: too much, but it's more that I'm gonna expense it
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: at the defense and so I'm well, what's the doerency
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: in nineteen and twenty two? Pretty much? Nothing doesn't change
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: my plans. I'm saying I would I would dock the
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: d though, is where I would steal it from. And
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I actually think that's about right. So you could see,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: like twenty two and twelve and to titles point, if
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: you have a chalkier team and want to get them
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: in there, I think that's the way you could do it.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: And then almost nobody owning those at captain. It's you know,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: running backs, defenses, kickers are the best way at captain
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: to leverage some of these other spots, especially when it's
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: quarterback captains that are taking up such a high ownership percentage.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: So just want to point that out. Also, hoop kickers
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: and d's anything you want to add to that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I do like that they kind of got the prices
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: up a little bit on the defenses because on this
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: slate like they would have been even higher. But five
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: K for the Chargers forty eight for the Broncos. That's
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: one thing that I was happy to see. And I'm
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: fine playing them. It's gonna be the same. I mean,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I probably play more defenses than I typically do just
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: because there's fewer plays that I like. And then I'm
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: good with both kickers, I mean both very solid in
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: a dome here, So I'm in. I'm in for the kickers,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: which should come to the surprises of absolutely nobody because I.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Always like to kick.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk FanDuel before we get out of here.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: You know, looking at it over there, Herbert, it looks
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: to be the same and maybe a little bit of
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: ownership catching on to the same two receivers. We've talked
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: about that pretty much all season. But the other part
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: is there's no other MVPs sorry, owned over five percent
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: in our ownership projections, So if you look at MVP
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: over there, it's kind of a toss up. But it's again,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: if you can get to somebody outside of those four,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: that's about the only way because it doesn't make a
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: difference on the price.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's even more difficult over there to like make
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: the case for somebody out well, it's always difficult, more
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: difficult over there because of the scoring. But like the
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks and then those those two pass catchers is like
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: you said, you're gonna take up like all of it,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: and it's even harder it's gonna be harder for someone
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: to out score, so it's difficult. But if you do
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: find something you like over there, it's like gonna be
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: definitely unique right away because everyone's playing those four, even
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: to a higher degree than on DK. Pointing out some
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: price tags, Gus Edwards is twelve five, like, oh my,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine clicking that name. Javonte Williams at eleven
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: k I think is so. Gus Edwards is fifteen hundred
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: dollars more than Javonte Williams, which is pretty interesting. The
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Kickers are cheap eighty five hundred, I mean, not super cheap,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: but in relation to this slate, that's a good price tag.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: The doll at seven k, you know, that's that's a
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: cheap price tag. Stone Smart seventy five hundred, cheap men
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: seventy five hundred, that's cheap. Got Troy Franklin seven k.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: H Hayden Hurst is five k flat. So in a
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: you know, Herbert captain team, you can you can get
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: a guy that you know, probably touchdown dependent tonight, probably
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: won't be out there for Thomas Knaps, I guess he
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: could be, but five k flat for him.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I don't hate that I don't know. It's so, it
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: is what it is. It's fandual and hopefully.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Undel's opposite though, because I gotta I gotta lead well,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: same on Leave, I gotta leave the salary and I
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: gotta overpay for guys. Right. If everyone likes Hurst over there,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: because he's a stone minimum, I got to play the
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: actual stone on the stone. The stone smart play at
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: seventy five hundred, he's twenty five hundred more. If Gus
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Edwards is twelve five over there and Vidal is seven K,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I gotta fine lineups that have Gus Edwards in them
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: and just eat it because who cares. It's like again,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: you just have to do something so unique on FanDuel
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: to get different in Showdown. I do love the classic
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: slate stuff over there, but the shoutout on stuff I
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: just really struggle with title. Do you see anything else
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: over on FanDuel? I think Hoop called out the biggest
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: one was Vidal versus Edwards. I would say seven k
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: versus twelve five, whereas on DraftKings only two hundred dollars apart.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: But does that set you up to think any differently
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: on anything or anything else you see from a FanDuel perspective.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if I actually think Gus Edwards is
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: a good play on FanDuel, the reason for that is
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: that price difference. The Doll will be so much higher owned,
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: and it's so much harder to get different on FanDuel. Anyway,
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: you want to get all the leverage, and that is
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: what Gus Edwards offers you. Another way, like v Doll's
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: price tag, he will by far be the most popular
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: cheap guy.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: What does that mean?
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: Guys in his ranger are leverage Our pivots, Troy Franklin, Pivot,
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: Marvin Mins pivots, Stone Smart a pivot to an extent.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: Now like he's not gonna get any ownership, Vida will
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: be higher estimate, higher own pivots. If you want the chart,
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: Lil Jordan, Humphrey, Trouton and your guy Adkins, even Hayden Hurst.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: I think everyone down below not named Vidal is going
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: to be relatively low owned, and then Defense is being
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: priced above the kickers. Obviously, projections are the opposite way.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: That's another way to get a little difference. And yeah,
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: playing anybody but Herbert Knicks at MVP, like maybe Sutton,
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: Like we have what ten eleven. I'd still be fine
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: playing Sutton and Lad. I do think the Knicks Herbert
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: MVP ownership is even wider than we probably show, so
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: I'd be good going. Then Javonte would be probably the
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: other one at MVP. But you really have to tell yourself.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: You can see whoever you're putting at MVP outscoring the
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: cat or the quarterbacks, and then almost I guess makes
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: me like Javonte more than Lad and Sun if having
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: to pick a little bit, because most of when Javonte
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: gets in it is through the through the ground.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: When Herbert and bow knicks, well.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: Obviously Javonte's bow nicks, but if you said Gosster Vidal,
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: they're not throwing to him more likely and you're getting
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: more of the leverage that way. But defenses cheap stuff
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: not named Vidall defense. Defense is over kickers.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: The main thing.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing you I love. Just listen to you
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: guys talk through it and get ideas from it and stuff.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And certainly by the end of this thing, one thing
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: that's come around in my mind is just this Broncos side.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: And I know who loves the Charger side. That's good too.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Can build in sets, you can get different in some
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: but the Broncos D just can't be owned. We'll have
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: to wait and see, but I just don't see it.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And so if you're playing, like look at the most
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: popular captains are the four, but the most popular captains
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: are Herbert and Maconkey. The most popular kicker is Dicker,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: even though you know not just because he rhymes with it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: It's just gonna be that side, and they're a slight favorite.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: But the Broncos sort of leverages all of that, so
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: does Javonte William So I'll say for sure, I've come
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: around a little bit more to that. You could do
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: it different ways. You could still run a two to
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: four and have some stuff going from the other side
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: with them, Like if you want to run a Javonte
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: captain a Broncos D and then be able to get
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: in some of the pass catchers on the other side,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: maybe a kicker or something. I'm good with it, especially
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: if it stays under. But I think the Broncos side
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: is going to be good leverage just from that perspective
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: looking at it, just you know, thinking out loud, and
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem that far off, Like you could easily
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: flip this game where it's twenty one to nineteen for
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the Broncos, and one of them is from a scoopid
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  Speaker 1: score a pick six. Also, there's a the flip side
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: of what you said, Hoop, the you know, the the
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Chargers bounce back could just be another Chargers beat down.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: The Broncos get them like, it's still the Chargers, man,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: it's still the way things go. And you could easily
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: see that be like a seventeen seventeen game and the
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Broncos get a last minute kick for a field goal,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of the side that you needed in
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: the lineup. So I don't know who any final thoughts
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  Speaker 1: from you on it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah possible.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just something tells me that the charge
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: at home, Jim Harbaugh I think is a good coach.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that they find a way to win.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily like a high scoring game or low scoring game. Like,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I have no lean in regards to that. I do
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: have a lian though on the Charger side, and sometimes
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: that that doesn't necessarily mean that that team produces more
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: fantasy points, right, Like, that's not a lock to happen.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: So I am going to take that though.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: And and and say that you know I'm gonna probably
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: play more chargers or lean on the charge, but it
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: is the more difficult side.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, it really is the more difficult side.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: We have all those wide receivers for the Broncos that
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: are you know, solid values on the slate, So I
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's you know, the prize pools are obviously big.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: We'll have all our content up over at ship at
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  Speaker 2: nation dot com, and you know obviously gonna work hard
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: to find a way to the Winter Show. I think
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: we laid out some some good ways, uh to maybe
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: play those four captains heavy and do some other things
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: within the lineups to to give yourself a better chance
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: to win and win more if you do win, which
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: is really the goal of tonight.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that call. That's the title line one
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  Speaker 1: is give it to his title with your final thoughts.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: What's the line.
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  Speaker 5: It's not about how often you win, it's about when
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: you win, how much do you win?
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I love it. You put the spin on it.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good call. That's we're trying to do tonight.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Like I said, playing the same just as prepared, you know,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: attacking it maybe differently. I loved your call out how
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Djen does it, how Marley talked about it. And sometimes
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: you can switch up your flow and work on something else, right,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: but you know, at the same time, got to attack
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: it with the preparation in hand. You can't just show up,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: throw a line up and not very often at least
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: and just get lucky. So the hope is we can
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: you know, dig into it. We'll have you covered over
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  Speaker 1: a ship at Nation final. Thoughts from your title before
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  Speaker 1: Do you got any best ball sweats?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, one on all I wouldn't call them sweats. I
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  Speaker 4: have one on Underdog, one on Draftking. So no, not
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: really a sweat underdog team solid.
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  Speaker 5: It's not in the Bestball MILLI or the MILLI I mean, man,
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