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ITB Contract Series: How Can The Eagles Keep Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean Long Term? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, everybody. It's Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: We're starting to come to the end of our Eagles
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  Speaker 1: contract podcast series. We did offense last week, we've been
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: doing defense this week. We've started in the front seven
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  Speaker 1: and moved our way to the back and in this
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  Speaker 1: episode we're going to talk about a really interesting contract
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: situation surrounding the Eagles corners. We'll get into that in
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: a second. First, just some transactional news, Adam, that probably
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: is not very surprising with Joe Tryon Shoyinka.
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  Speaker 2: Being placed on the reserve tired list.
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  Speaker 1: My radar was up when not when he was missing
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  Speaker 1: the a little bit when he was missing the voluntary camps,
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  Speaker 1: because a new guy tends to show up to those,
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  Speaker 1: But then when you miss the mandatory camps, you know
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  Speaker 1: something's up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, as we talked about when he signed, it was
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  Speaker 3: surprising because they really didn't need it. They really didn't
• 1:07
  Speaker 3: based on the way that Fangio rotates his edges. He
• 1:11
  Speaker 3: only plays three, they dressed four. There was really no
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  Speaker 3: room for him, and we knew he was not going
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  Speaker 3: to make the team, I mean, unless it was injured.
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  Speaker 3: He was going to make it, and he did miss
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  Speaker 3: the two mandatory practices. You know, it's interesting you kind
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  Speaker 3: of knew that this was gonna happen when there's no
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  Speaker 3: there was no reporting on why he missed and whether
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  Speaker 3: it was excused or not. And then and then you know,
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  Speaker 3: they added an edge on Monday, So you knew this
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  Speaker 3: was coming most likely, and that's what happened. So that's
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  Speaker 3: where it was at.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny how the Eagles have sort of been bit
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  Speaker 1: by this like off season retirement bug or even I
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  Speaker 1: mean last year in season it was Darius Smith, who
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: I believe it has been asked to be reinstated right
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  Speaker 1: he wants he's thinking about maybe playing again.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, I believe I saw a report from a
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  Speaker 2: chefter on that.
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  Speaker 1: But either way, they get bit by his retirement bug
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  Speaker 1: last year kind of forced them to have the trade for.
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  Speaker 2: Jial and Phillips.
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  Speaker 1: And then remember Devonte Parker, Uh, he retired right around
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: this time, I think a couple of years ago, the
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver. And then there was the linebacker from the
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  Speaker 1: Charger Jatavis Brown. Was that is that the right name?
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  Speaker 2: You remember him from?
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  Speaker 3: Like the LA Chargers. Yeah, Jatavis Brendan. Yeah, and then uh,
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  Speaker 3: then there was the he never wound up playing for
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  Speaker 3: Marquis Goodwin good one. Yeah. Remember they had to revoke
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  Speaker 3: the trade because he wound up not reporting and then
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  Speaker 3: he reverted back to the forty nine ers. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they've yeah, they've had some things happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so, uh, just an interesting situation.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, the Eagles brought in a j Ampiness
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  Speaker 1: and we we talked about their edge group, about their
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  Speaker 1: interior d line group.
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  Speaker 2: They've got enough bodies there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And and by the way, Epiness is so different from
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  Speaker 3: what they have because he's really a run defender who's
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  Speaker 3: got had some sacks, right, but you could use guys
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  Speaker 3: like that, and he's a veteran, he's not. He's a
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  Speaker 3: good player.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And we should also let folks know that they
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  Speaker 3: did sign former Dolphins fourth round receiver Eric Azukama, who
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  Speaker 3: there was a lot of hype on him. I think
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  Speaker 3: he came out of Texas Tech and it just he
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  Speaker 3: was a fourth round pick in twenty twenty two. He
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  Speaker 3: really he good size. He was cut two years ago
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  Speaker 3: and he really he was cut before last season and
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  Speaker 3: he really never made it. He's been in the UFL.
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  Speaker 3: And then they also signed Sean Wade, who's a corner
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  Speaker 3: who's been sort of a fringe NFL player for a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. It's been around a little bit. And then
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  Speaker 3: they also cut uh to make room because they had
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  Speaker 3: to make one more move. Is they they waved Brandon Johnson,
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  Speaker 3: who certainly could come back later because they needed they
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  Speaker 3: need to find room. Who he was a nickel who
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  Speaker 3: who's the guy's even if even if he does come back,
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  Speaker 3: it's unlikely he'll make it. It's a guy who who
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  Speaker 3: kind of has I would call him good practice squad value.
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  Speaker 3: He's got some versus till he to play nickel and
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  Speaker 3: play safety.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised that he was the one to go.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they you mentioned they cross trained him at safety.
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  Speaker 1: They played him there in that season eight and that
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  Speaker 1: week eighteen game. I you know, I thought that he
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  Speaker 1: felt that he was on the practice squad most of
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  Speaker 1: the last year, so I would have thought he had
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  Speaker 1: that and again he can come back, but there's like
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  Speaker 1: ninety guys on the roster, so I was surprised he
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  Speaker 1: was the one that had to go. But we'll see
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  Speaker 1: what happens with him in the future. You mentioned that
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  Speaker 1: the receiver that they picked up was with the Dolphins, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, arc Asukama, fourth rounder and twenty two. Yeah he
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  Speaker 3: so twenty two?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so he was Josh Grizzard was with the Dolphins,
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  Speaker 1: I believe in two thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, that's he that has something to do with it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure knows the terminology. Sorrey knows him. This is
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  Speaker 3: what I can tell you about that Asukama. He's got talent,
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  Speaker 3: he just had some injury. He just never could get there.
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  Speaker 3: So you move on. Again, it's it's a depth training
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  Speaker 3: camp signing right, super high up unlikely to make it.
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  Speaker 3: You never know if the light goes on where he
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  Speaker 3: comes out of nowhere, which is for rush spot. But
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  Speaker 3: again it's super highly unlikely. But again West Coast offense
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  Speaker 3: and knows the terminology. Practice squad guy, this is good.
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  Speaker 3: This is guy developing your practice squad who knows.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that that there was an opportunity for James Proche,
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  Speaker 1: who had you know, worked out with the team and
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  Speaker 1: it has punt return ability and not a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Eagles right now have it. I thought that there would
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  Speaker 1: be an opportunity for him and maybe there will be
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  Speaker 1: down the road, but it.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't look like that will happen at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's get into our corner back situation, and this
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  Speaker 1: is we're gonna do cornerbacks and Nichols, despite what Vic
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  Speaker 1: Fangio might say. We will separate them as best we
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  Speaker 1: can in this episode and then we'll finish it off
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  Speaker 1: in the next one with safeties.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, Adam, the.
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  Speaker 1: Big thing to discuss is and really enlighten people on,
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  Speaker 1: is that you have two guys in Quinnon Mitchell, right
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  Speaker 1: and Cooper to gen as a Nicol who are going
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  Speaker 1: to go into their third seasons, and at the end
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  Speaker 1: of their third seasons, you would think the Eagles would
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: want to lock them up.
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  Speaker 2: They're both very good players.
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  Speaker 1: However, both could be in store for a real market type.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, certainly Quinnon Mitchell, but also the fifth year
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  Speaker 1: option sort of gives the Eagles a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: time on Quinnon Mitchell, whereas Cooper to Jen is a
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  Speaker 1: second round pick only as four years. I could see
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  Speaker 1: his contract getting done first. If that's the route the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles go, like, yeah, they really do want.
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  Speaker 3: To keep them, you know, they don't let these things
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  Speaker 3: go man, they just have never done it. I mean
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  Speaker 3: they really don't. Yes, David, they extended Davis's contract with
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  Speaker 3: the fifth year option just as a placeholder, but they
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  Speaker 3: still extended him, right, So you know it's coming, you
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  Speaker 3: know it's it's This is what we've been talking about lately.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about last week. When you're drafting really well,
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  Speaker 3: when you don't mess on on a lot of high
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  Speaker 3: round picks and you have good free agents who have
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  Speaker 3: worked out, you're eventually have to pay the piper. Someone's
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  Speaker 3: gonna have to go. But these guys are not going.
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  Speaker 3: They're not going anywhere. Quina Mitchell's going to be here.
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  Speaker 3: In fact of scouting. Term on him now is from
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  Speaker 3: people I know if Greater's tape, he's got gold jacket
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  Speaker 3: gold jacket ability. That means he's really really good. The
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  Speaker 3: only thing he doesn't do is get a lot of interceptions. Right,
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  Speaker 3: he didn't in college was he didn't have great hands.
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  Speaker 3: But his coveragtability is elite. He's got everything you want.
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  Speaker 3: Uh He's I'm just looking at some of the cornerback deals,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Jasey Horn and certain uh Stan got
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  Speaker 3: twenty four million a year. I mean, I got to
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  Speaker 3: think by the time Quinnon gets his deal, we got
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  Speaker 3: approach thirty million a season.
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  Speaker 2: God, didn't McDuffie. Didn't McDuffie just get.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty got thirty Yeah, McDuffie, Yes, that's right, m duffney.
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  Speaker 2: The number starts higher for Mitchell than I remember.
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  Speaker 3: Now McDuffie plays inside or outside. Yeah, so yes, it
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  Speaker 3: starts at thirty. McDuffie got actually thirty one million the Rams. Now,
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  Speaker 3: one thing I should tell you from talking to agents,
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  Speaker 3: they historically overpay they they do. I mean, give Kevin
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  Speaker 3: dem Off credit. They pay man who's president of the
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  Speaker 3: team and he's done contracts forever. These people work under
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  Speaker 3: him because Kevin's god. He oversees it, nugets, he oversees
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  Speaker 3: a lot of properties for the Kronky family. But they
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  Speaker 3: they they're paying four years thirty one million a season. Okay, yep.
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  Speaker 3: That so he's a pure corner is is quinyon? So
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  Speaker 3: actually it now you you know, I totally forgot about McDuffie.
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  Speaker 3: So now that that's the that's the floor. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 3: floor thirty one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have Sauce Gardner instantly also at thirty. So,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, the floor has got to be thirty
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  Speaker 1: to thirty one.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I'm sorry, right, thirty one, I stand corrected
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  Speaker 3: the FLOORID absolutely have to be thirty one. Sure, Sauce Gardener,
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  Speaker 3: who obviously was treated he got and that's interesting. He
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  Speaker 3: really has not played as well before he got thirty
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  Speaker 3: point one million.
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  Speaker 2: Who is the other corner Stingley?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Did he's not at thirty? I believe he's a.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty Stingley of the Texans.
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  Speaker 2: Good player.
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  Speaker 3: God, Yeah, Derek Stingley's date of execution of the contract
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  Speaker 3: was March of It was signed in March eighteenth, twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty five. Okay, so last time he's yeah he actually
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  Speaker 3: I don't. I hate to say. Only god, he got
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  Speaker 3: up just under twenty seven million. The duffy thing blew
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  Speaker 3: the thing out of the water. So yeah, look and
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  Speaker 3: then and then we'll get to coop later because he's
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  Speaker 3: not a corner right now, Reeke Wollan. As we move on,
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  Speaker 3: Reek Wollan, he's on a one year deal. Now. If
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  Speaker 3: he balls out like again, it's only OTA's which means
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: next to nothing. It's not indicator of anything to balance
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  Speaker 3: with you because you can't hit you keep it. There's
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  Speaker 3: really no physical contact. He's healthy, he could run. He
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  Speaker 3: look great, but that's the first step of many for him.
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  Speaker 3: But he looked good. He signed a one year deal
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  Speaker 3: with twelve million. They guaranteed all of it. So the
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  Speaker 3: question will be if he's killing it for eight, nine,
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  Speaker 3: ten weeks. That's how he's done this before, not a lot.
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  Speaker 3: But he can go to the agent. Well, you could
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  Speaker 3: talk to the agent any time. He's a vested veteran.
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  Speaker 3: You could talk to him. You could start, you could
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  Speaker 3: start in August. If you have a great camp, just
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: get the ball rolling. But his contract would be fascinating
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: because how do you do that one?
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  Speaker 2: If I don't think it's possible to be honest with you,
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: I think you say, way, thank you, you played great.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna go sign a five year, one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty five million dollar contract with somebody, and we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get a great comp pick. Because this goes back to
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: the unpopular move sometime in the future that I keep
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: talking about. It could be letting a player like that go,
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: or you decide you want to commit to Quinna Mitchell
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: and Riequillan as you're outside corners going forward, and then.
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  Speaker 2: Cooper de Jean isn't a part of your core.
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: There's just no way you're gonna play all three of
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  Speaker 1: those guys along with Davis, along with Carter potentially Jaylex
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: Hunt still got Grenard.
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: This year and next year at Jomo. Yeah. And by
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: the way, you have a very expensive offense even without
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: a j. Brown. I mean it's you have to move
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  Speaker 2: off of several different people to make this thing.
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  Speaker 3: I don't you know you brought this up. You open
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  Speaker 3: a can of worms. It's really really hard. It's it's
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  Speaker 3: the price of drafting well and having good, good, good
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: free agents who actually you signed from other teams like
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: Barkley and the Granard. Well, Granard hasn't played yet for
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: an Eagles for the Eagles, but you feel pretty good
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: about him. Yeah, how he does not have a good history.
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: He walked away from Milton Williams Like they didn't They
• 11:34
  Speaker 3: kind of knew where that was going, Like they had
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  Speaker 3: I know for a fact, they had talks with the agents.
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  Speaker 3: They kind of had some concepts of what this might
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  Speaker 3: look like. They knew they couldn't get there. They just
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: couldn't do it. Like on your point, you can't. You
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: have to walk away at some point you can't have
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: the highest paid team in NFL history, Like, there's no
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: luxury tax. Okay, we'll just go over to the luxury tax.
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: This is spaceball. Yeah, and from a cash ben, you
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: know their cash ben organizationally, it has been down in
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know, three or four years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it picked.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's it's it's hard. It's it's gonna be hard. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm not quite riequellin just because of what happened
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  Speaker 3: in Seattle. You have to be careful of paying guys
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  Speaker 3: like that because you never know what happens when you
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: pay him. They play as do they play as well?
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: This is a this is what Eagles used to love
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  Speaker 3: to do is sign players and one year deals. We're
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: hungry to get the big deal to settle their future.
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: Joe Banner told us that the Egles former president, they
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: had a history of doing that. Yep, either either resigning
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: their guys for one year when they couldn't get them
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  Speaker 3: to a long term deal, or signing guys from another team.
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  Speaker 3: So it's fascinating. Uh, we'll see where that goes. But
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: here's the problem, folks. Jonathan Jones, who turns thirty three,
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: he's in a one year deal. Jacquoryan Bennett who's not
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: worked out yet, he's in a one year deal. Ringo
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: doesn't factor in the corner anyway. He's just a special
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: teams player. So they don't have a future if Woolan
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: does not come back. There's no future on this football
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  Speaker 3: team a corner of the Mitchell other than.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: Mitchell, right, which is why you had made a great
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: point this past draft. We shouldn't have ruled corner back
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  Speaker 1: out early. It didn't manifest that way. But if you
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: looked down the road, you didn't necessarily see a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of depth or any behind Mitchell at outside young
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  Speaker 1: homegrown depth there, especially with the Gene being a movable
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  Speaker 1: piece that we weren't sure they would even commit to
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: outside corner, and now it looks like he's gonna play
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: safety in Nickel. So, I mean, when you're talking about
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: where where might the Eagles be drafting high in the
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  Speaker 1: next year or two, if the ifrig Walm's not with
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  Speaker 1: the team, and if the Gene's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: movable piece still and part of the team.
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  Speaker 2: Then it's gonna have to be a corner. Because you're right,
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  Speaker 2: they've got a lot of bodies, but that's not good depth.
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's the quality. But may have mac
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: McWilliams had of Some people say, talk about macwick williams.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk about him, but he couldn't get on the
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: field right and he's sort of a nickel corner. Good build,
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: very well liked in the Scouted community. Just it was
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  Speaker 3: a year one. It's it's he's got three years left,
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: seventy five. Some of a contract is years two through four.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens, but it's a problem. Now. I'm
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: gonna one real quick story, this forty five second story. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: some years ago, I was sitting at the owner's meetings,
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: sitting with a bunch of contract and go to negotiators
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  Speaker 3: and some gms, and we're just talking in general, like
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: what happens when you've got like one side of the
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: football is really really good and you don't want to
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: walk away from the contracts. Well, you could just keep drafting.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: You just brought this up and passing. You just keep
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: drafting and not retaining. You just keep drafting the replacement,
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: keep drafting the replaced, because you can't keep bringing them
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: back because there's it's because you have a cap right,
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: and you some owners are not. Not every owner is
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: so generous, like the Lori family owner. You know they're not.
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  Speaker 3: They spend money. They want to spend cash over cap.
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  Speaker 3: So there was a we were going around that like
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: I was just listening because you know, they were nice
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  Speaker 3: enough to let me sit there, and I was just
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: hearing the discussion. You know what, some we just might
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: have to let these guys walk and just keep drafting
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: the replacements and then after four years let that group
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: walk the keep d from the replacements because you can't
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: keep everybody. This can bring him back to our discussion.
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  Speaker 3: How he may have to do that, Like that's that's
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: where they're at. Is the price of drafting, developing well
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: and having good coaches. You can't keep everybody just and
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: then you get compects taking this a step further. You
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  Speaker 3: mentioned it in passing earlier. You may have to woolen.
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  Speaker 3: If he's killing it, you know, maybe he get maybe
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: they could get I don't know if to get it.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: I'd be curious about what's because helmet if he balls
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  Speaker 3: out and I know he has rare size and athletic ability,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: but you have the Seattle tape, which was no matter
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: what Vic says. I know Vic likes him. He found
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: some tape you like, But why are the hell will
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: they trying to trade him? Who knew they were trying
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: to move him last October? Right, he's a guy. Theoretically,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: You're right, Howie can't keep everyone here. That on surface,
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: they should walk away from him. But I know from
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: talking to the agents and other clubs and people have
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: worked for Howie over the years, it pains them forget
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: for players they got right and they've developed, to let
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: them walk. But you cannot keep everybody, and that's where
• 16:01
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• 16:02
  Speaker 1: It can't be easy to have watched Milton Williams dominate
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots and take him to a super Bowl,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: even even as good as the Eagles were up front.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: It's just tough.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: You don't want to see guys that you drafted and
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: developed go somewhere else.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, you do. You're thankful for like you get
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: a high draft you got they got a third round
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: pick because of it.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: You know, the compic game is very important, but picks
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: or picks until they become really good players there that
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: guy was a really good player.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: At one point on that like you could live with
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Josh shob Josh job did nothing here. He correct absolutely
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: did nothing here. They gave him a shot. Vic kind
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: of told the truth right when when he was the
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: media asked about him. He just didn't. He didn't perform.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: There's nothing he can do about that now, Guys in
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: a trade creation anyway, it's when got Sometimes when players,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: no matter what team it is, they're just coaches get
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: down on a player where maybe the front office and
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: the coach staff don't agree on it, but you know
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: you don't at a point you don't want to force
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: a player on the jam should never I'm not saying
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: how he does it, but you don't want to force
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: a player on the coaches actually talking to their coaches.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Over the years, he does a relatively good job for saying,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: you know what, gott say, can't play, We're gonna cut them.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Then we're gonna trade them. You know. But like I
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: know Pumphrey, Donal Pumpfrey. He the word with that staff
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: you know nine years ago, was like he he it
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: was obviously he couldn't play in the NFL. He's too small. Yeah,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: But to how his credit sometimes he's like, look, let's
• 17:25
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• 17:28
  Speaker 3: can't do it. Okay, let's punt. Yeah. So it's a
• 17:31
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• 19:00
  Speaker 1: What we have pointed out is that you're you're at
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: a different price point if you're an outside corner and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you made a Pro Bowl compared to if you're a
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: nickel and made a Pro Bowl compared to if you're
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: a safety. But the issue that the egos are going
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to face here is I don't see any way to
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: a discount because if you look at just players who
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: are comparable, who are used comparably, like a Kyle Hamilton,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: for example, or a Marlon Humphrey, guys who play those
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: guys are making top market money. Like Kyle Hamilton's the
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: second highest paid safety. He plays safety nickel in the
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: in the NFL right now, and it's like twenty five
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: million years good one.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: That's a good comp That's I know he's not a corner,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: m hm. But he plays jack linebacker. He plays safety, right,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: he's movable. You know, they use him in a specific
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: way like actually they they see him as a moveable
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: chess piece. Yep, we Coop. They have to find some
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: sort of comp like I I touch to Quentin Lake,
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: who's the the Rams sort of do it all defensive
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: back safety. Yeah, Quinton, He was explaining how they they've
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: moved him around a little bit in his career. He
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: might remember his dad, Carnell Lake. Yeah, played for the Steelers,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: is a safety. But Quentin Lake, it's been a nice
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: stary development. He's only making, only making because he's not
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: dynamic like Kyle.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Is he in a rookie deal or is?
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I know he got extension right at the end of
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: last year December thirty first, twenty five was the date
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: of the signing of the contract, right, twelve seven to
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: five a year, twelve million, seven to fifty. So Hamilton
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: has to be it like that. There's no way in
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: hell Coop's getting thirty million year. I don't care how
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: great he is. He's not a corner, he's not.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Right, But the point is, the point is twenty five million.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Is it's a break, but it's not that much of
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a break. It's not like, oh that's way more. No, no, no,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: thirty five to million.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Nay, Mitchell, it's hard, man, it's really hard to find.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I think you nailed it, Kyle Hamilton. Him is the
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: only one who's close because not that he's getting tagged,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: but if it came to that, I'd be shocked if
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Dick because he goes won't let that happen. I don't
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: want to use the tag, and they just they want
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: these guys locked up for years. You know, the one
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: hunter their team controlled. It's you don't. It's it's how
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: you build your roster, like this is why they do it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: So twenty five one in me is very fair. You
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: can't go corner money. You can't go to McDuffie. Hell,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: he's not a corner you have to look at. But no,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying about the franchise tag is it's the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: position you played the most the previous season. We brought
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: up to Jimmy Graham example of they wanted because he
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: was just because he played the slot. You know, he
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: wanted more than tight end money. And Bill Pallias talked
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: about that when they had him as a witness for
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the league, and that Bill said like they had no chance. Yeah,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: he was not, he was not He was not a
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: slot receiver.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So that would work against the Eagles because most likely
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Gene will play more snaps at nickel than safety. It'll
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: be it might be closer than like last year. But
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but there is no nickel franchise tag.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: It's just yet, right, right, and that you're not gonna
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: want to let it come to that.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're not gonna pay him like a franchise
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: tag for a corner when he's not.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: A momb Right, But if I'm Coop's agents, I'm abstulally
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: using Hamilton, I'm gonna look, you could add, Look, it's
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: a free world. You ask for whatever you want. You
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: can have for thirty five million, but it's not getting done, right,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: And because he was the second round pick, there's no
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: fifth year option. You don't also with you know, Coop
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: had a pretty big injury history. You're coming out of well,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: he had an injury coming out of Io, and then
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: he got hurt again right over his rookie season. He
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: kept getting hurt and then he had an injury in
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: training camp and since then he's been pretty healthy. But
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: you don't want to take on that risk, and that
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: you called this two years ago, You talked about this
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: two years ago. How would his agents be happy with
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: him playing nickel? Right? Well, how could they be happy?
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: And I'm not playing corner anymore? The next level?
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's why I do think that what you'll
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: see a little bit of a I guess estimated guests
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: or educated guess, is that you pick up the fifth
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: year option on Mitchell, which, just like the with Jordan Davis,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it buys you an extra year of negotiation because he's
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: got he's he's not a free agent. The following year,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: he still has the fifth year option.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Here's the problem.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: And then you work on your your Cooper to gene
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: extension first and then you do Mitchell then the following year.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Well all right, it's easy for you to say that,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: but you better be careful because are there any big
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: time corners or up for deals?
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, I thought, I feel like the big
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: time ones of sign there is now, so the market won't.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, you never know what's going to happen in
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: free agency, but certain I think he just got a
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: little bit of a bump. Certain if I'm not mistaken,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Stingley Horn are all in their second Gardner is.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Going to have to a j Turell's got to get
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: a bump. He's only making twenty point five million.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Torell get a bump. I mean, Marlon Humphrey will
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: probably come up on that third con, but he's third.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I mean it'll be a shorter term deal.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think that there's too many guys coming up
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: who are making like fifteen eighteen now that I really
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: worried about getting forty unless they become free agents and
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: somebody goes crazy.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Right, You're talking about like the Jalen Johnson's car.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Now he got this extension a debo Murphy Murphy got
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: got a contract last year.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Shar Various Ward.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I think the Eagles are in a good spot here,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: not worrying about too many guys coming up and resetting
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the market.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Other than Ajhl, I.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Had to be careful if you wait two years, if
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you delay it, it's gonna cost you more money. They
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: don't do that. They really have not done that well.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: He did with Jordan Davis. But although they needed Jordan
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to prove that he deserved that contract, right.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: But no, they wait, but they only get they gave
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: him a little bit more than Elle McNeil, and they
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: knew that because he's a No, he's not a sack guy, right,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: he's not dexter Lawrence. If you've been dexter Lawrence, then
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: that might's gonna be way more. But he's not. Right,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: So they were okay, just beating alle McNeil. But yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: it's it's going to be fascinating. It's they don't have
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: to finish this off here. The Nickels right now are
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: de Jene and as we've talked about, there might be
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: games he doesn't play nickel because of matchups. If if
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: a team's playing if a team's playing a lot of
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: a lot of eleven personnel, he's playing nickel. If they're
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: playing a lot of twelve personnel, he's playing safety. Yeah,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: so it just depends on on the game. So we'll
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: have to see what happens there. Then your nickels right
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: now are Michael Carter's an expying contract Mac McWilliams. So
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: they're stopped. It's safe for excuse me nickel this season
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: and depending on what vic, Vic will make the decision
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: on where who plays after the season depends how he looks.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I just have this feeling he's We'll say, it's not
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: my call, but I've had this feeling he's not a
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: corner in VIC in Vicville.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: We'll see, but that that Rams matchup, by the way,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to your point, I don't want to get too off
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: topic of contract, but what is it week three or
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: four the Rams? And I think that's gonna be a
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: fascinating sort of litmus test because you know they're gonna
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: live most likely in twelve and thirteen personnel the Rams
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: because they played They played thirty percent of thirteen personnel
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: last year, which is I'd.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Ever heard of in my entire life. Like the second
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: highest was the Steelers of twelve percent.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: So they blew everybody out of the water with three
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: tight ends, and when they weren't in three tight ends,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: they were in two tight ends. So I mean, this
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: is this is what this is why great question we're
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: talking about though, where Dezine is like almost exclusively a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: safety or that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Gave absolutely safety or VIC.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Is going to know that they pass a lot out
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: of those run looking formations, so he may still have
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: nickel out there.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: It'll be very bad. That's what it's gonna be a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: fascinating chess match.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: They have so many tends. Now this they have a
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: bunch of tight ends expiring contracts after the season. But
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: they have so many tight ends.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yep, so many. Claire got Max Claire from Ohio staying
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And to be honest with you, I don't know
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: how good their third Jordan Winnington, Like they still they
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: really need a third receiver. You need to find someone
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: to compete against Whittington. Yep, because because right now they've
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: got Kolby Parkinson, who is a life saver in the
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: in the playoffs. Boy, he saved them against Carolina Higby.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: He's always been solid. Turns Terrence Ferguson back to back
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: years of second round picks. And your guy Max Claire,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: who you mentioned, oh, Davis Allen two is still it's
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: what are you going to play? Fourteen personnel?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Thein't gonna run the option, just run with these guys.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: All person Yeah. Out of that of all coaches, Sean McVay,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: like great Coachale says, you never really know like you
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: think you know, and then out of nowhere, Sean McVay
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: changes in season. Okay, we're just gonna start playing a
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: lot of third team. We're gonna leave the NFL of
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: all teams. You think Kyle Shanahan would do that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: No, No, And guess what team is going to copycat it?
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Actually?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: The Eagles playing Week three? They play the Rams week four.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Guess who's gonna be the copy cat?
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: In week three? On a Bear Bear Night football, the
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Bears met with Lovelin with Roush. You know they're gonna throw.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: But because Ben Johnson's McVeigh guy, right, he's gonna be
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: he is, he.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Is super smart, He's another guy sees the game differently. Yep,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: you know it's fair.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to do the like the snap looks
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: at looks for the for for Degene and the secondary
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: after the first four weeks of the season, and just
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: see what Vic's been doing.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: So not only that, not only that that what you
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: just said on staff counts. That will be if Eagles
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: decide to extend Coop, which is likely after the season,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: and at least they'll try hard knowing those snaps will
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Ultimately it'll be the push and pull the agents first
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: of the Eagles front office. Okay, we want thirty million.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Well wait a minute, he didn't play any corner and
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: then only did this. We see him at twenty three million,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: and then they sell at twenty You got beat Hamilton's deal,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: which is two years old, so maybe settle twenty seven million. Yeah, yeah,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: and there's no The problem is there's no player. As
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: much as we've Cayle Hamilton's a great player, nobody does
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: what Coop can do. It's just it's close with Hamilton
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: but not quite.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Hmmm, Well, I want to see how Coop plays at
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: safety because I think Cayle Hamilton's a really damn good station.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: We haven't seen at Nikoli. You're right, I think Cooper's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: right there with him. You can say he's just as good,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you can say he might be better at certain things.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: But I want to see how he plays safety because
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Hamilton's really really good there.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: And and Coopers bulked up. Man when we were there,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Atts said, holy smokes like the two mister Olympias as
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: I call him, the all season of all whereof all
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: of all players Drew Kendall who bulked up big time.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: He didn't recognize him, didn't know it was him.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Coop was like, wow.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, guns out, all right, we'll see. Man.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Man, they got me on a trend. I've been doing
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: those Uno push ups. You know, you draw four and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you start pushing it there.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I like that. It's a good game, sucking good.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: All right, good stuff.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: So I mean really really good, high level contract stuff
• 30:00
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• 30:03
  Speaker 2: The future of the Eagles secondary.
• 30:05
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