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Trekcast Supplemental: Interview with Brian Volk-Weiss CEO of Nacelle Toys · Star Trek Podcast: Trekcast

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  Speaker 1: Tracks the Galaxy's most unpredictable Star Trek podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Trek Cast, the Galaxy's most
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  Speaker 2: unpredictable Star Trek podcast. I'm one of your co hosts,
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  Speaker 2: Scott with me as always is Uh Daniel.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, We've got.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a special episode today. We're doing an interview
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  Speaker 2: with the CEO.
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  Speaker 3: Of the missile company.
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  Speaker 2: Uh and Uh Daniel, you want to go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: take over?
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, this is Brian. Hey, Brian, how are
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  Speaker 4: you doing.
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  Speaker 5: I'm good, how are you doing? That's thank you, Scott.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely so, we're really excited that the figures were announced.
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  Speaker 6: We got the picture of the figures up right here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: the first wave. We we all have our favorites.
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  Speaker 4: We're all pretty excited.
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  Speaker 6: So tell us a little bit about how how Naseell
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  Speaker 6: was able to get this license.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, my official answer is I have absolutely no idea.
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  Speaker 5: I cannot believe this happened. But I guess I'll tell
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  Speaker 5: you what happened, Okay, truth, but I still don't understand
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  Speaker 5: why it worked. So we were able very very very randomly,
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  Speaker 5: very randomly to get the rights to do the Expanse toys.
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  Speaker 5: So uh. And when I say randomly, I literally had
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  Speaker 5: a meeting with al Con to talk about something that
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  Speaker 5: had nothing to do with the Expanse, and then they
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  Speaker 5: were like hey. One of the people in the meeting
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  Speaker 5: was like, hey, I follow you on Instagram and I
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  Speaker 5: just saw that you are making toys. Now, how come
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  Speaker 5: you're not asking us to do the expanse toys? And
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  Speaker 5: I was like, well, because it didn't occur to me.
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  Speaker 5: We've only been making toys for a year. Long story short,
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  Speaker 5: we got the rights to do the Expanse. So that's
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  Speaker 5: Exhibit A. And I'm not a lawyer, but we're going
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  Speaker 5: to use exhibits. Exhibit B was we had a meeting
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  Speaker 5: at some point. I won't say with who or where,
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  Speaker 5: what or why, but I had a meeting and in
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  Speaker 5: that meeting I randomly found out that Playmates was basically
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  Speaker 5: not making more figures.
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  Speaker 4: That's okay, B y C was.
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  Speaker 5: I asked the head of our consumer products division if
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  Speaker 5: he knew anybody at Paramount. Of course, he said yes.
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  Speaker 5: He reached out said hey, we're interested in throwing our
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  Speaker 5: hat in the ring. Can we make the Star Trek toys?
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  Speaker 5: They were like, well, let's set up a pitch. So
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  Speaker 5: we set up a pitch, and the pitch was basically
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  Speaker 5: what everybody's gonna see in waves one, two, and three,
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  Speaker 5: though we've pivoted a little bit, which we can talk
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  Speaker 5: about later, but because we're gonna be doing more. The
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  Speaker 5: original idea behind the line was to really focus on
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  Speaker 5: characters that had never been made before, but also famous
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  Speaker 5: characters Captain Kirk, you know, Beverly Crusher or Picard whatever
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  Speaker 5: that had been made, but doing them in costumes that
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  Speaker 5: had never been made before. Okay, So, as you may know,
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  Speaker 5: when we announced the line, we put out an email
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  Speaker 5: address so fans could talk to us, and the most
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  Speaker 5: common thought we got was, Yo, your figures look great,
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  Speaker 5: but why aren't you doing this for Captain Kirk? And
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  Speaker 5: is you know maroon costume? Why aren't you doing Captain
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  Speaker 5: Picard yet? It So we took that advice and we
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  Speaker 5: are absolutely going to be doing Bridge crews in their
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  Speaker 5: traditional uniforms. But other than that, we basically, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: what you're looking at right now, only Captain Archer wasn't
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  Speaker 5: in the initial pitch to paramount everybody else was in.
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  Speaker 4: It will cause that change.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, what caused the change was seeing those emails
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  Speaker 5: and we got well over two thousand at this point
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  Speaker 5: over three thousand. But the gist of there were two
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  Speaker 5: notes that came up over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 5: One was what I said, you know who we're like,
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  Speaker 5: do to bridge crews? Do the bridge crewse and not.
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  Speaker 5: Two was like so many of the people who did
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  Speaker 5: the toys before us stopped after three figures or six figures,
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  Speaker 5: asked paramounts Blessing to go to eight and they said
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  Speaker 5: yes immediately. And Archer was one of the people we added.
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  Speaker 5: And that was the reason we chose Archer was because
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  Speaker 5: that was the feedback we got about doing some of
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  Speaker 5: the bigger characters.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, right on, right on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: You know, one of the questions we put in our
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  Speaker 6: group that we were gonna interview you, and one of
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  Speaker 6: the first questions we got was being at the new scale?
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  Speaker 6: Right these are six inch compared to like the playmates
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  Speaker 6: for will these being scaled to the new or to
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  Speaker 6: the old diamond select toys?
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  Speaker 5: Yes? Okay, so yes, and again you know with Treky's
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  Speaker 5: just to be clear of which I am, you know
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  Speaker 5: with Treky is you gotta be real specific. So if
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  Speaker 5: somebody's in there with like a laser ruler. They're probably
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  Speaker 5: not to scale right if a normal person out any
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  Speaker 5: tools is looking at him, yes, should be very very similar.
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  Speaker 5: And just to be clear, there are six to seven
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  Speaker 5: inches oh okay, technically one twelfth scale okay. And the
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  Speaker 5: reason I point that out is obviously Neelix is not
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  Speaker 5: as big as a Narskim. So, like I can tell
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  Speaker 5: from your background, Scott, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Star Trek fans are a bit of a
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  Speaker 2: nitpicky bunch, aren't we.
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  Speaker 5: We are?
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  Speaker 7: But I will tell you this, Like I said, man,
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  Speaker 7: we got way over two thousand emails, and a lot
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  Speaker 7: of those emails were telling me that I had kind
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  Speaker 7: of messed up by not doing the bridge cruise.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't get a single email about that topic and
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  Speaker 5: any topic also, But everybody was cool. Everybody said some
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  Speaker 5: version of hey, this is meant to be constructive. Please
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  Speaker 5: don't take this as me being a jerk. I'm rooting
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  Speaker 5: for you to succeed. But right lowk aren't you doing
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  Speaker 5: Kirk in his maroon? So that so, really everybody was cool,
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  Speaker 5: I asked him, very proud. I want to brag about
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  Speaker 5: this on Sunday. Uh, huh, finished responding to every single email.
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  Speaker 4: Oh nice.
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  Speaker 5: Now I'm behind on what's come in Monday and today, okay,
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  Speaker 5: because we're getting twenty to fifty emails a day still,
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  Speaker 5: oh wow, and I love reading them. But but that's
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  Speaker 5: that's basically what happened.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I heard an interview with you on the
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  Speaker 6: Reluctant Adult podcast and you had mentioned that in wave
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  Speaker 6: two there was going to be a Kirk. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 6: the thing you did not mention was which kirk. As
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  Speaker 6: far as like Shatner, Pine Weslie, do we know yet?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, you could say it's funny. I couldn't answer the
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  Speaker 5: first part of your question, but I can answer the second.
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  Speaker 5: Is William Shatner's captain?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Wills?
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  Speaker 3: All right, wonderful, that's great.
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  Speaker 4: Right on.
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  Speaker 6: And then another question we had from our from our
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  Speaker 6: group was what kind of accessories can we expect with
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  Speaker 6: these And remember you mentioned that there was gonna be
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  Speaker 6: accessories with them, but to what level are we talking?
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  Speaker 5: So there's gonna be a lot of accessories. I'm a
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  Speaker 5: big believer in accessories, Like I truly believe in my
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  Speaker 5: world the gold standard figures these days is g I
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  Speaker 5: Joe classified and they I just got the sniper. I
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  Speaker 5: mean she must come with I think she comes with
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  Speaker 5: two backpacks, one of which opens and holds eighty percent
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  Speaker 5: of the rest of the accessories. She comes with a
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  Speaker 5: geelig suit. I hope I pronounced that right, And she
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  Speaker 5: comes with a knife. She comes with a silencer for
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  Speaker 5: her her not her sniper rifle. The other gun she
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  Speaker 5: comes with, So.
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  Speaker 4: Is that the one you're talking about?
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  Speaker 3: That detail?
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  Speaker 5: That's exactly who I'm talking about. She also came with
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  Speaker 5: two heads, three different hair style. I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 5: we're going to be doing. And you know, one of
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  Speaker 5: the things that's very important to me is when as
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  Speaker 5: a buyer of toys but also as a maker of toys,
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  Speaker 5: you really want to do stuff that shows the people
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  Speaker 5: that are spending their money that we get it. So example,
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  Speaker 5: Super seven did a wharf that comes with a cup
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  Speaker 5: of prune juice. I got enough wharfs with they you
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  Speaker 5: know all the they bayliss kless. I'm more of a
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  Speaker 5: federation kind of Checkie and but no, so like, how
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  Speaker 5: many battlests do I need? Right, I don't have any
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  Speaker 5: prune juice cups? So that's that's kind of like our
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  Speaker 5: North Star. Okay, we really want to show the so
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  Speaker 5: like for example, Peter Preston from Star Trek two Rethicon, Yes,
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna have the face mask that plugs into that
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  Speaker 5: silver nipple thing he has. We're gonna come with two
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  Speaker 5: heads spoiler alert, one with massive radiation taps okay, bubvered
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  Speaker 5: in blood. But like also gonna like you have to
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  Speaker 5: assume what didn't we see off camera? You have to
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  Speaker 5: assume he got a communicator. Yeah, assume he got issued
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  Speaker 5: some kind of trand you know, a tricorder, even though
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  Speaker 5: you didn't see him holding a tricorder in the movie.
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  Speaker 5: I hope to have a tricorder. Captain Archers, an engineer, Yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 5: Uh Archer, he's gonna yes, he's gonna come with a
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  Speaker 5: current reality phaser, an alternative reality phaser. Ditto with the Triquarders.
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  Speaker 5: But I since I saw the episode the first time
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  Speaker 5: A mirror darkly, yeah, I mean, I'm sitting there in
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  Speaker 5: college or whatever I think, watching it, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember this or not. He uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know you remember Sato poisons his champagne, right, yep?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know about you guys, have you ever poured
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  Speaker 5: champagne into your eyes?
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  Speaker 4: Not into my eyes?
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  Speaker 3: No, not recently.
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  Speaker 5: So Archer does that in the scene he's laying in
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  Speaker 5: bed before he dies.
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  Speaker 3: Celebrate it and he just up ends the cup and face.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's almost like Scott Bacula did it to be
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  Speaker 5: funny and an outtake, right, and they put it in
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  Speaker 5: the show. It's so weird. So thirty years later, he's
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  Speaker 5: gonna come with an empty champagne glass. Nice, gonna come
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  Speaker 5: with a full champagne glass. He's also gonna come with
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  Speaker 5: something you could put into it so you can simulate
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  Speaker 5: him pouring champagne into his.
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  Speaker 3: Own That is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: That's the kind of stuff I love.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's great.
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  Speaker 5: Sulu, of course is gonna come with the teacup or
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  Speaker 5: the coffee, but he's also gonna come with the phaser,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the Star Trek six phaser. Maybe a like
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  Speaker 5: when Neka did the Alien line they did Birk Paul
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  Speaker 5: Reiser's character. He came with this huge sign that said
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  Speaker 5: Hadley's Hope. Welcome to Hadley's Hope. I want to do
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  Speaker 5: stuff like that too, where we have accessories that makes
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  Speaker 5: sense and are cool. But if I'm being honest with you.
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  Speaker 5: Just going back to Wharf and Super seven I already
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  Speaker 5: probably owned four or five at least dwarfs. I didn't
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  Speaker 5: need to buy Super sevens, but I bought it because
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  Speaker 5: of the accessory, the proof, because that's what we want
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  Speaker 5: to do.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay.
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  Speaker 6: One of the other questions that we had was the packaging.
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  Speaker 6: Are they are these gonna be on blister packs? Is
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  Speaker 6: gonna have collector packaging that you could, you know, taking
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  Speaker 6: it out as you see fit?
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  Speaker 4: What are we talking? Uh?
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  Speaker 5: It will not be blister packs. Okay, That's all I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna say about that. For we don't have it fully
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  Speaker 5: figured out, and once we figure it out, then we
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  Speaker 5: need paramount to approve. But based on what we did
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  Speaker 5: with sectors, which was a blister pack, and I just
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  Speaker 5: wasn't crazy about how those looking stores, it's not going
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  Speaker 5: to be a blister pack.
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  Speaker 6: Speaking of stores, when can we expect to see these
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  Speaker 6: in stores?
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  Speaker 5: God will late Q three, early Q four?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, do we know what stores will be having
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  Speaker 4: them or so?
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  Speaker 5: The way we do it is we do our own DTC. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: then it goes to mom and pops, we sell to
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  Speaker 5: over four hundred and fifty Mom and Pops in the
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  Speaker 5: US and Canada, okay, and then it goes to all
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  Speaker 5: the big box stores whoever wants it. So I can't
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  Speaker 5: tell you Walmart's gonna take it. I don't know if
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  Speaker 5: they are. They might, but it that that's that's the
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  Speaker 5: process they probably.
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  Speaker 2: For those for those who don't know, DTC direct to
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  Speaker 2: consumer from your website.
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  Speaker 5: Correct, yes, sorry, okay.
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  Speaker 6: And then I know, like toys like it takes forever
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  Speaker 6: to make them and then to actually put them on
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  Speaker 6: the shelf, But how long is that runway before from
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  Speaker 6: concept to to on the shelf?
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  Speaker 5: So we can really turn everything around in a perfect
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  Speaker 5: situation in about five months Okay, maybe even closer to four.
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  Speaker 5: But so far, I can tell you I ain't seen
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  Speaker 5: too many perfect situations. So, like you know, with the expanse,
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  Speaker 5: we're actually in the moment. You know, we're still on schedule,
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  Speaker 5: but I had hoped to be early. The reason why
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  Speaker 5: we're not early is because we couldn't get the figures
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  Speaker 5: to sit properly in the chair, and we had to
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  Speaker 5: spend an extra month getting the chair perfect so that
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  Speaker 5: it worked with the figures. Same thing with Biker mice.
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  Speaker 5: I think we spent an extra two months on the
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  Speaker 5: biker mice bikes because we couldn't get the figures to
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  Speaker 5: sit on them properly. So, you know, sometimes you get
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  Speaker 5: lucky and everything works, and usually you don't.
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  Speaker 6: Okay with the Star Trek line, are we looking at
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  Speaker 6: just figures or will we be getting like vehicles, ships
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  Speaker 6: anything like that?
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  Speaker 5: At the moment, all I can tell you is Jess figuers. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: all right, Scott's nodding his head. He understands what.
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  Speaker 8: At the moment, Okay, at the moment, well, one of
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  Speaker 8: the figures people were asking us to ask you is
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  Speaker 8: are we going to get a Moopsie.
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  Speaker 5: God? I hope so she was. I mean, it's so funny.
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  Speaker 5: I have such an interesting opinion that opinion, Like, look
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  Speaker 5: at me. I find my own opinion interesting. No, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know how other people feel about Deep Space nine,
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  Speaker 5: but for me, there's pre Dominion War and post dominion War,
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  Speaker 5: and Moopsie was one of the characters pre Dominion War.
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't the biggest fan of the show until the
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  Speaker 5: Dominion War started.
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  Speaker 6: Moopsie was from the Lower Deck show.
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  Speaker 4: It's a little like Little Animal.
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  Speaker 3: I think Brian's talking about Moogie.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, you're absolutely right. I was thinking of Moviie. Sorry, Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Then this is much shorter and much easier. We do
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  Speaker 5: not have the rights to anything past Enterprise and Nemesis.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow, Okay okay at the moment, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So tng era type type things.
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  Speaker 5: It goes from the original series through Enterprise on TV
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  Speaker 5: and then for the movies, the motion picture through Nemesis.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: So and then there's a there's a there's a wall
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  Speaker 2: there between that and say Discovery on Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: We we have no rights to any modern.
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  Speaker 6: Trek okay, okay, okay, but that's something you guys can
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  Speaker 6: revisit in the future, right, okay, right, Well, I think.
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  Speaker 5: There's another company doing them, though I I don't know
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  Speaker 5: that for sure or whatever. You know, Yeah that.
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  Speaker 6: I remember it was announced, but I don't remember seeing
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  Speaker 6: them anywhere yet.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I I don't know. I don't know's it's really
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  Speaker 5: intro you know, as I'm sure you guys understand, the
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  Speaker 5: majority of our toy businesses lines that we own and control.
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  Speaker 5: Only the Expanse and Star Trek are lines where we
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  Speaker 5: have to go talk to people and get their approval
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  Speaker 5: and stuff. So paramount has been I cannot stress this enough.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely wonderful to deal with, and I should say work with,
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  Speaker 5: but they don't tell us everything and or shouldn't they? Right?
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  Speaker 6: Fair enough, Okay, Scott, did you have any other questions
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  Speaker 6: you wanted to get?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian, I got a question about you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a nuts and bolts kind of guy, so I'm interested
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  Speaker 2: in the like, the actual process in your collaboration with
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  Speaker 2: with the actual manufacturers. How how involved are you in
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  Speaker 2: that process? Like, you know, do you have to get uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you're gonna make Ronnie Cox as Jellico,
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  Speaker 2: how do you ensure that it's you know, it looks
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  Speaker 2: like Jellico and not like any random, you know, white
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  Speaker 2: haired person.
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  Speaker 5: So you want a real nuts and bolts answer?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Sure, okay, And if I rambled too much, please all
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  Speaker 5: means I met what I said. I'm a nuts and
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  Speaker 5: bolts guy too, so I love talking about this stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So we hire a designer. The guy who's doing these
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  Speaker 5: is in like La, which is very important because a
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  Speaker 5: lot of our designers are in other states. The guy
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  Speaker 5: who does biker mice, he's in Italy. So so we
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  Speaker 5: hired pretty much one of our favorite designers. We gave
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  Speaker 5: him all the characters and he on his computer designs them.
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  Speaker 5: So we go back and forth on his computer sketches
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  Speaker 5: and do this, do that, do this, do that. At
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  Speaker 5: some point where like looks great, go to a three
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  Speaker 5: D printed model. So the designer prints a three D
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  Speaker 5: model that's all gray and then hand paints it. He
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  Speaker 5: drives a couple of blocks, drops them off at our office,
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  Speaker 5: and we give notes based on the three D model.
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  Speaker 5: He'll come back a week, two weeks later give us
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  Speaker 5: a new one. That's usually all it takes. Sometimes it
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  Speaker 5: takes three. Like we're having a little trouble with two
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  Speaker 5: vix's shoulders, get to do three of two vix because
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  Speaker 5: it was just very so so technologically going to be
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: a little difficult to do. There's a lot of options
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: on how to do something that detailed. But anyway, once
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: we approve the three D model that's been painted, it
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: goes to Paramount. They give us notes, and at some
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: point it goes to Ronnie Cox. Ronnie Cox says x
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: y Z. We do what he says. Then we send
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: it to China to the factory. Factory then takes that
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: model and makes molds. They will then put a gray
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: or pinkish colored plastic through the mold and FedEx that
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: to us. So we get an unpainted bigger I told
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: you I was going to go into the weeds.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, me too. It's interesting.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: So we get the unpainted figure and that's when we say, oh,
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: the ears are too big, the hair isn't right, the
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: knees look weird. They then do another version, send it
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: back to us, and once we approve, and this process
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: can go on forever. Then once we approve the physical shape,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: then we let them do paint. So they then send
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: us three hand painted ones. Each one's a little different.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: We give them notes. Then they'll send us another one
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: that hopefully is perfect.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: Then it goes to Paramount. Hopefully Paramount says we love it.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: It goes back to Ronnie Cox, hopefully he says he
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: loves it. Then we're done, and then please make X
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: thousands of them.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Wow, oh wow.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: So the the actually the actual actor is involved in
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: deciding like this likeness is good enough for me or not.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: It's different. So every actor has different rights depending on
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: their deal. But yeah, they're they're they're usually involved to
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: differing levels of involvement.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, And I.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Would imagine like if it's a heavy, heavily prosthetic type
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: like the Two Vix.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: It is, that's the same.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I guess it would depend on on their deal when
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: for their their rights of the character. But like you know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: somebody's just got a heavy, heavy prosthetics on their face
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: where you couldn't recognize them, that process must be a
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: little different too, right.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: It's all about the paperwork. It's not like with Two
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Vix or wayoun we were like, we don't have to
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: talk to them. We had to look at the contracts.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: Two Vix is the one I'm most excited about. Good
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: favorite characters.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Say save here, that's the one I will be getting,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: just so you know.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, on the show a few years ago, we had
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: the Two Vix Memorial Sci Fi Tournament for what was
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: the best sci fi show other than Star Trek.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, that is some episode I I you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: I saw it when it first aired, and then too,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: I hadn't seen it since. Yeah, and I watched it
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: again probably about two months ago. Other than the cold open,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: which if I'm being honest and I'm always honest, is
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: pretty painful to watch. I just yeah, I don't know
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: if you remember or out there like singing songs to
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: each other.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Felix, Oh my god. I always say if we
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: ever do science fiction at Nasel, we're not doing any
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: clubs and we're not doing any songs anytime. It's like,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: you can simulate accurately what starships will look like in
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: five hundred years, right, you can't. Like Picard Season one
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: has a scene in like a club where they're all dancing.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Look at Star Trek three when they're in the bar, Like,
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: it doesn't work. Just wait, it like Hines and fucking clubs.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I hear you, man, Although I would love a
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: pimp Rios action big at some point.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: We talked about that on the podcast one time as
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: action figure. We're talking to the guy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, by way cards outfit in that club scene, he's
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: wearing a hat with like a feather coming off.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is the weirdest thing in the wor I know.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Whatever company has those rights, good luck with that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: We are looking forward to the figures the two fix one.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Now I have to ask the hard hitting question here
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: since we're talking about since we're talking about two vix
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: uh in your opinion? Do you believe that Jane Way
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: murdered two fix?
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: I wanted to be polite and let you finish your sentence,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: but I could have interrupted you the minute I realized
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: what you were asking to say. Wayne Way, absolutely positively
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: a billion percent did the right there.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, you heard it here.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Use the needs of the many outweigh the needs of
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: the few. It's math. Why would you save one life
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: and not two? Yes, I know there's a prime directive.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: I get it, but it's just math. There's two versus one.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that's not giving you a controversial answer
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: at all. No, no, no, there'll be my discussion about that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: Give you another one. I'll give you some controversy for it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: From the minute I saw the episode the first time,
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: I have always been a Captain Jellico supporter.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Okay, Oh I know.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Wow, a lot of He was the original inspiration. I'll
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: tell you something funny. You know, I'm friends with a
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: lot of people that own toy companies. Right, you know
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: you've only been making toys for three years. I'm friends
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: with people that own twenty twenty five thirty year old
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: toy companies. I know people that work it has Bro
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: and Mattel. For years, I was telling you to do
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: what we're doing, and nobody did.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: So the example I would always give in all of
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: those conversations that I brought into my pitch with Paramount
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: was Jellico and Garrett. I'm like, Yesterday's Enterprise is widely
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: considered to be tied with Inner Light the best Star
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Trek episode ever made, if not just Next Generation, it's my.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Favorite ever made.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Oh except for Wrathacon.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: So I would sit there and be like, how are
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: you doing fifty Picards with this with the flute? And
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: no one's ever done. Captain Garrett, I'm like, she is
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: one of my favorite lines in All Star Trek. Went
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: after Picard is like, Yo, just so you know, we're
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: losing this war real bad, she says, She goes, she goes,
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: you know, to hit her communicator. She goes, Lieutenant Castillo,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: tell the crew we're heading back, and as you know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: saved about ten billion lives. How was she never made before?
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Right, that's the logic behind every day right on Awesome.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a Jellico fan too. I like Captain Garrett.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I liked Captain Jellico.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I was in the military, and Captain Jellico was the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: first once I started rewatching Next Generation, he was actually
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: the first person I saw that actually acted like somebody
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: in a military organization.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: One hundred. The whole thing about the shifts. I loved
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: that this two part episode, like after commercials, that's only
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: about eighty minutes, right, I love that they spent five
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: almost almost five percent of their and by the way,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: that includes credits. The credits, they probably had seventy five
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: minutes of storyteller. They spent five minutes talking about shift schedules. Ye, like, yeah,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: this is my kind of episode. And by the way,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: first of all, thank you for your service. Second of all,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: my only life regret is that I never served. I
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: made a lot of mistakes, don't get me wrong. The
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: only thing I deliberately didn't do that I regret has
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: joined the Navy. I don't know what branch you were in.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: I hope that didn't offend you Army, But I think
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: that's part of why Jalico really resonated with me, and
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: I think that's why I don't even have to think
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: about it. What Jane Way did was absolutely, in my opinion,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: the right decision.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's great. I love it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: And by the way, to that point, you know, everybody
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: always talks about poor two vix. You know, I don't
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: want to die. I don't want to die. My favorite
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: moment from that episode favorite, probably my number one favorite
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: moment in all the Voyager, and probably in my top
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: ten favorite moments in all of Star Trek. Now, because
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember this, after they beam back,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: both of them, and everyone's like, whoa, they're back.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: If you remember this. They literally just showed Jane Way
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: conchalantly saying to the two of them, welcome back. And
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: then there's this amazing steady camshot of her just walking
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: through the hallways after she made the decision. Yeah, we
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: realize looking at her how it really sucks to be
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: a captain sometimes.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you had to make the hard calls.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: But her chin was up, proud, walk straight ed, just
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: I did what I had to do. Who knows. When
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: she gets in her quarters, maybe she cried, but we
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: don't know what she did. Maybe she didn't.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I do remember that scene very very well, and I
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: remember thinking, she looks like she looks like a woman
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: in Starfleet who is walking away with one hundred pound
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: rucksack on her back, and she's trying not to show
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: any emotion or any pain or any anything.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: And she's doing that thing.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Like you said, she's acting like a professional and but
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: but you could also tell that it weighed heavy on her.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, yes, about the backpack. I hope you're okay
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: with a Scott. I might steal that from you. But
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: a vote wise original that I'll give you is I
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: mean she like, there's a great saying I heard once
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: where someone said a crisis is when you can't say,
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: let's forget the whole thing. And you have to remember
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: about Jane Way compared to Kirk Picard, Archer and especially Cisco,
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: she is a science background, right, Like that's the cool
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: thing about the Navy in real life. And also star Trek,
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: which is you know, Ron Berry was in the Air Force,
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: like which didn't exist, by the way, the Army had
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: the Air Force during World War Two. So he was
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: in the Army. He just happened to be in planes.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: But the way it works in the Navy, other than
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: an aircraft carrier a captain because you have to be
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: a pilot to be an aircraft carrier captain. Every other
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: captain in the US military. You can come from anywhere.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: So I think it was interesting that the one captain
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: with a science background is the one who has to
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: be like, yeah, killed the dude, right right, Scott with
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: her backpack. I think that probably weighed a little heavier
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: on her than it would have on Picard, who I
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: believe came from engineering, which is a much more mathematical,
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: flat white binary training.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah right right by.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: The way, in case you didn't, In case you were
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: wondering if I was faking being a trek ee.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, you're proving it now.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: You know for sure I'm in the Yeah, for sure.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Well awesome.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: Well, Brian, is there anything else you wanted to talk
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: about the line before we wrap it up?
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: You know, the main thing I just want to say
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: over and over, and you know, because I've read all
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: these emails, we are going to do the main casts.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: We are going to do the bridge cruise. We hear you,
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: We listen. We almost made a huge mistake on biker
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: mice from Mars, and part of the reason we even
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: did the email address in the press release was because
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: we didn't have ab Crunch in biker mice, and we
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: got hundreds of comments basically saying, hey, morons, how are
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: they gonna sit on the bikes without the ABB crunch
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: let alone. We want to pose them, right, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: we're go out saying we apped up, We're doing AB
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: crunch and that's exactly why we did the email. So yes,
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: we're gonna do it. Oh and we are doing everything
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: humanly possible to keep them under thirty bucks.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Those if there's anything I want to communicate to all
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: your viewers, those are the two points.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, awesome, wonderful.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, thank you, Brian.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you absolutely.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Brian volk Weiss, the CEO and founder of the Naceel Company.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: And you also, your company's also produced the toys that
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: made us, the movies that made us, and the center
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: seat fifty five years of Star Trek. So thank you
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: very much for for coming on, Thank.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: You for having me. This is a lot of fun.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Awesome. Thank you so much, Brian.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: All right, bye, guys.
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