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- 0:02Speaker 1: Your own for Husky Football, probably presented our weekly visit
- 0:06Speaker 1: with a voice of the Dogs, Cam Cleveland.
- 0:08Speaker 2: Oh yeah, purfor Let's go run to you by Warrior
- 0:12Speaker 2: injury long, battle tested.
- 0:14Speaker 1: Now here's chucking bug with a former Husky tight end
- 0:18Speaker 1: on Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ r f M.
- 0:25Speaker 3: Let's ask Cam Cleveland one of our questions from Halloween
- 0:29Speaker 3: candy Factor fiction.
- 0:30Speaker 2: Okay, to get this started.
- 0:32Speaker 3: Let me ask you something here, Cam. Are the a
- 0:35Speaker 3: Reese's Peanut buttercups just three and a half point favorites
- 0:37Speaker 3: over all other Halloween candy or would.
- 0:40Speaker 2: You take another candy and the points? What would you do?
- 0:45Speaker 4: I think that's fair. Yeah, it's completely fair. It's the
- 0:47Speaker 4: leader in the clubhouse for me at all times. It
- 0:49Speaker 4: trumps everything. No pun intended there, Okay, pun intended, but yes,
- 0:54Speaker 4: I think it holds a little.
- 0:55Speaker 2: Bit higher level. It does. It just does in all forms.
- 1:00Speaker 5: What would be as close as contender Snickers? Twicks?
- 1:03Speaker 4: Ooh, I'm thinking of twigs. That's that's where I need
- 1:08Speaker 4: a little bit of crunch in there. If you're gonna
- 1:10Speaker 4: go twigs or kit Kat, it's right in that realm
- 1:13Speaker 4: stickers you can but it's the Peanuts, you know, it's
- 1:15Speaker 4: it's it's too close to reesis So you got to
- 1:17Speaker 4: flip it to something a little bit different, you know.
- 1:21Speaker 3: On a neutral field, Starbucks or Starbucks, Starburst or Nerds on.
- 1:28Speaker 4: I'm gonna flip. I'm gonna flip the script and go
- 1:31Speaker 4: Mambas on you guys. You guys remember mamas. Oh yeah, take
- 1:36Speaker 4: you to a whole other level with mambas.
- 1:39Speaker 2: They're excellent. But they're bigger than star Wars.
- 1:42Speaker 4: They are bigger than Starbursts, and they came in a
- 1:44Speaker 4: whole like different, like it just looked like a rainbow
- 1:47Speaker 4: of perfection.
- 1:48Speaker 2: It was beautiful.
- 1:49Speaker 6: The only complaint about Mambas though, is that they come
- 1:51Speaker 6: in four little packs and so you have to open
- 1:54Speaker 6: all the packs to be able to alternate flavors. That's
- 1:56Speaker 6: my only complaining.
- 1:59Speaker 2: Have made it very creatable.
- 2:00Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sharing guy, You guys have a mama strategy.
- 2:07Speaker 2: I choose are really good too.
- 2:09Speaker 3: I love this right now.
- 2:14Speaker 5: I choose the junior Varsity star Wars, the no now
- 2:17Speaker 5: and later.
- 2:17Speaker 2: Yeh'll tell you that to.
- 2:18Speaker 4: Go freshman, I go freshman. Freshman on the bench is
- 2:21Speaker 4: what that is?
- 2:22Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Camp Cleveland is with us right here
- 2:27Speaker 3: on Chuck and Buck.
- 2:27Speaker 2: It must be a bye week.
- 2:28Speaker 3: We spent four minutes talking about Halloween candy with our
- 2:32Speaker 3: Husky insider. Uh so here we arrive at six and
- 2:36Speaker 3: two in the bye week, four games to go a
- 2:38Speaker 3: favorable schedule until Oregon. I mean, boy, I mean there
- 2:43Speaker 3: have been high points of this season. There have been
- 2:45Speaker 3: a couple of low points this year, a lot of
- 2:47Speaker 3: different things to discuss, But I got to feel that
- 2:50Speaker 3: Husky fans should be feeling pretty good about where this
- 2:53Speaker 3: team is right now with a quarter of the season remaining.
- 2:57Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I feel pretty good about sitting If you
- 3:00Speaker 4: told me at the end, or if you sat right
- 3:02Speaker 4: here and we said, okay, I'm gonna give you a
- 3:04Speaker 4: magic eight ball, and I'm going to say, all right,
- 3:06Speaker 4: you're gonna have a loss to Michigan and Ohio State
- 3:08Speaker 4: and number one team in the country, and what I think,
- 3:10Speaker 4: what is Michigan twenty two somewhere around in there at
- 3:13Speaker 4: twenty Yeah, I would I would feel like, all right,
- 3:16Speaker 4: you needed to win the three big games when you
- 3:19Speaker 4: put it on your schedule. Certainly we're Ohio State, Michigan
- 3:22Speaker 4: in Oregon. I felt at that point you had to
- 3:25Speaker 4: win one of those games to really jump for a
- 3:28Speaker 4: shot to be in a Big Ten championship or a
- 3:31Speaker 4: shot at the College Football playoff, potentially that matchup at
- 3:35Speaker 4: the end of the season. I don't like to jump
- 3:37Speaker 4: ahead of games, but I will say I'm obsessed with
- 3:40Speaker 4: the college football rankings at this point. I'm excited to
- 3:43Speaker 4: see them come out in November. The ape pole has
- 3:45Speaker 4: turned me into a chaotic goofball of the ups and
- 3:49Speaker 4: downs and the inconsistencies and the lax and the biases.
- 3:52Speaker 4: And I know, Chuck, you talked about how important it
- 3:55Speaker 4: was for preseedon rankings because it gets everybody excited, but
- 3:59Speaker 4: even you know, I spent just so much time looking
- 4:02Speaker 4: at how these rankings have come out and what Washington
- 4:05Speaker 4: needs to do. You just need to win each game.
- 4:07Speaker 4: You got to go on the road to Wisconsin and
- 4:09Speaker 4: you have maybe a UCLA team that came back to
- 4:13Speaker 4: life a little bit, but then now they're like, all right,
- 4:16Speaker 4: that was a murder that happened. It was tough, that
- 4:20Speaker 4: was a big, tough game. But then you just in
- 4:23Speaker 4: these moments this season, I know the perception of college
- 4:27Speaker 4: football and the rankings and how much it matters. Even
- 4:31Speaker 4: with twelve now it feels harder to get in than
- 4:34Speaker 4: it was with four, the way the biases are set up,
- 4:38Speaker 4: and I guess there's nothing left to do but just
- 4:40Speaker 4: win and win out.
- 4:42Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, how do you explain I mean, the
- 4:46Speaker 5: offense at one point was you know, I mean, I
- 4:48Speaker 5: think statistically they were number one, and then maybe it
- 4:51Speaker 5: was before that Ohio State game. But Ohio State and
- 4:54Speaker 5: Michigan combined thirteen points against the two best teams they
- 4:58Speaker 5: played to date, and so the difference between that and
- 5:02Speaker 5: the fact that they put up thirty plus it feels
- 5:04Speaker 5: like against everybody else. How do you explain the discrepancy
- 5:07Speaker 5: between the offense rolling and then not being able to
- 5:10Speaker 5: do anything against a couple of good teams.
- 5:12Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you. Two big factors returned this week,
- 5:16Speaker 4: and that makes a difference. Carver Willis and John Mills
- 5:20Speaker 4: returned a freshman and an absolute stalwart at left tackle,
- 5:24Speaker 4: which changed the game quite a bit. I mean, you
- 5:28Speaker 4: did lose Quinton Moore again in the second half of
- 5:31Speaker 4: the Michigan game. He is your edge blocker in the
- 5:35Speaker 4: Michigan game, as your tight end, he is your best
- 5:37Speaker 4: one of the best blocking tight ends in the country
- 5:40Speaker 4: and does an excellent job on edge run. So that
- 5:43Speaker 4: changes your run game. So now you're down to Decker
- 5:45Speaker 4: to Graf who Decker is more of a move h
- 5:48Speaker 4: tight end. He's not a true Then you have to
- 5:50Speaker 4: bring in lineman last week and put him in number
- 5:55Speaker 4: eighty and direct him to be able to make a
- 5:58Speaker 4: blocking But you had Carver and John Mills back last
- 6:02Speaker 4: week against a pretty good a pretty good defense, and
- 6:06Speaker 4: that was when you look at that defense and go, okay,
- 6:08Speaker 4: all right, here we go. We're gonna do the run game.
- 6:12Speaker 4: The ability to get Jonah Coleman those types of runs,
- 6:15Speaker 4: they moved the pocket, they changed. It's hard to win
- 6:20Speaker 4: games on the road, no question. In a Big Ten
- 6:22Speaker 4: that that goes without saying, all right, but an Illinois
- 6:25Speaker 4: team that comes in as a ranked opponent, they played very,
- 6:28Speaker 4: very well. They beat usc They had some tough games too.
- 6:31Speaker 4: They were a very their quarterback was excellent. All in
- 6:35Speaker 4: those moments is when you were at full strength. This
- 6:37Speaker 4: Husky team showed that in that first half versus Ohio
- 6:41Speaker 4: State and into the third quarter when they were at
- 6:43Speaker 4: full strength, Okay, they could they could handle those punches.
- 6:48Speaker 4: Same thing in the Michigan game. You could handle it
- 6:50Speaker 4: into the third court and then all of a sudden
- 6:52Speaker 4: it gets out of control. When injuries happened, and the
- 6:54Speaker 4: mistakes happened, the turnovers happened, the discipline of the of
- 6:58Speaker 4: a red shirt or of a true sophomore. Now that quarterback,
- 7:02Speaker 4: he's getting better. The youth is there. But when you
- 7:05Speaker 4: get a veteran lineman, okay, a young powerful lineman that's
- 7:09Speaker 4: a freshman on that left side, the continuity there and
- 7:11Speaker 4: you get Joeanah Coleman going, and then the defense gets
- 7:13Speaker 4: a turnover.
- 7:14Speaker 2: Get the takeaway, guys.
- 7:15Speaker 4: That was what the difference was this last week is
- 7:18Speaker 4: you had two interceptions, should have had four. One taken
- 7:23Speaker 4: away on a drop another one was a pass interference call.
- 7:26Speaker 4: But the defense flipped the energy. So I could come
- 7:29Speaker 4: up with a lot of excuses, but you didn't win
- 7:32Speaker 4: those two big games. And now you got a shot
- 7:34Speaker 4: to win out and then you're gonna have to play
- 7:36Speaker 4: a very very good organ game and did at the
- 7:38Speaker 4: end of the season. But at least that game would
- 7:40Speaker 4: be at home. But I'm not gonna count any chickens.
- 7:42Speaker 4: Yet you got to go to Wisconsin first and get healthy.
- 7:45Speaker 3: This week, Cam Cleveland is with us former Husky tied
- 7:48Speaker 3: in and of course color analysts four All the Huskies
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- 7:58Speaker 3: with us, whether it be about the Huskies or Halloween Candy,
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- 8:06Speaker 3: Let's talk about the defense. We always talk about the
- 8:09Speaker 3: skill guys on the offensive side, but on the defensive side,
- 8:14Speaker 3: man to have to carr O Davis and Ephesians Price
- 8:18Speaker 3: sock together, both healthy at the exact same time.
- 8:22Speaker 2: I mean it is.
- 8:23Speaker 3: It was previewed as these two could be a real
- 8:26Speaker 3: big problem for opponents, but we just haven't seen them
- 8:30Speaker 3: play enough together and healthy at the exact same time.
- 8:33Speaker 3: But now we're starting to see them get into a
- 8:37Speaker 3: little bit of a role. And how nightmarish can two
- 8:41Speaker 3: six foot four inch corners with skill and length, How
- 8:45Speaker 3: much of a nightmare can they create for opposing quarterbacks?
- 8:48Speaker 2: The rest of the.
- 8:48Speaker 4: Way, I think it does depend on the style of
- 8:52Speaker 4: offense that teams are going to play. And you're right,
- 8:55Speaker 4: I don't know if i'd look out on the edges
- 8:57Speaker 4: and go, oh, that guy looks like somebody we can attack.
- 9:00Speaker 4: He's just he arms are everywhere. They can outrun you too, jump,
- 9:06Speaker 4: physical to be able, ball skills, all of that.
- 9:08Speaker 2: But even I mean.
- 9:09Speaker 4: Alex McLoughlin is one of the best safeties in the country.
- 9:12Speaker 4: Transfers from northern Arizona.
- 9:14Speaker 5: Okay.
- 9:14Speaker 4: Mkelsteine is very active. That back half four guys Okay,
- 9:19Speaker 4: they are arguably one of the best in the country
- 9:21Speaker 4: because they are so good in open space. You can
- 9:24Speaker 4: depend on them. Amac can make tackles across the field
- 9:28Speaker 4: as aligned as a safety. You know, Mkelsteine fills the
- 9:31Speaker 4: box very good, good speed over the top. But then
- 9:34Speaker 4: you have those two corners that can lock it down.
- 9:37Speaker 4: And Takario is the leader on this group. He is
- 9:40Speaker 4: He is as good as advertised. He is an NFL
- 9:44Speaker 4: player all day long. He could do whatever he wants.
- 9:47Speaker 4: I mean, at this point, if he wants to stay
- 9:49Speaker 4: or if he wants to go, that's really not up
- 9:51Speaker 4: to me. But when you watch him play, will teams decide.
- 9:54Speaker 4: And I've seen it this year as most teams have
- 9:57Speaker 4: decided to try to play the tight end game. The
- 9:59Speaker 4: shallow cross game, attacked linebackers and x Ray has gotten better. Okay,
- 10:04Speaker 4: Devin has gotten better. These the linebackers have had to
- 10:08Speaker 4: step up and make plays all of those moments that
- 10:12Speaker 4: you're watching this defense. The defensive line has gotten better.
- 10:15Speaker 4: They've been healthier. The key is availability, right, It's just
- 10:19Speaker 4: you have to have your guys available. Coach Walters has
- 10:22Speaker 4: settled into what the Big ten and he knew this
- 10:24Speaker 4: conference was always about power and run games and low possessions,
- 10:29Speaker 4: tight ends and shallow crosses, vertical scenes. And that's what's
- 10:31Speaker 4: hurt us in big games is those intermediate routes. The
- 10:34Speaker 4: receivers hasn't taken us down really yet. I mean that's
- 10:38Speaker 4: I mean there's big guys against it. Certainly when you
- 10:41Speaker 4: played up in Maryland, they had really big wide receivers,
- 10:44Speaker 4: very big wide receivers too, and if their run game
- 10:47Speaker 4: controlled it all the way into the third quarter and
- 10:49Speaker 4: we made a comeback.
- 10:50Speaker 2: But yes, this defense.
- 10:51Speaker 4: Is it has to get better in the red zone.
- 10:55Speaker 4: I will say it's like some of these red zone decisions.
- 10:59Speaker 4: Other than that, it's it's a team that has to
- 11:01Speaker 4: get healthy. It is a bye week couldn't come at
- 11:04Speaker 4: a more perfect time, especially to have to go all
- 11:07Speaker 4: the way into Camp Randall, which is not going to
- 11:10Speaker 4: be easy. And I don't care what their record is,
- 11:11Speaker 4: it's not going to be easy at all.
- 11:13Speaker 5: How are you feeling about the run defense? Is it
- 11:15Speaker 5: buttoned up to your liking at least for this weekend?
- 11:20Speaker 2: Yeah?
- 11:20Speaker 4: I you know, you have to defend the run. It
- 11:23Speaker 4: should be the priority weekend in week out. It's you
- 11:28Speaker 4: hear my hesitation?
- 11:30Speaker 2: In a sense?
- 11:30Speaker 4: Is that you It really depends on the style of
- 11:33Speaker 4: the runners. You know, when Michigan brings a backup running
- 11:35Speaker 4: back and they go all over the place and they
- 11:37Speaker 4: just run it into fish in and it comes down
- 11:39Speaker 4: to you guys. To me, it's can you contain a
- 11:42Speaker 4: quarterback that can run?
- 11:44Speaker 2: You know? Designed runs?
- 11:46Speaker 4: Versus Illinois? Those were those were I mean not only
- 11:51Speaker 4: just difficult to watch, but it was third down conversions
- 11:55Speaker 4: in those moments. And every quarterback we play in this conference,
- 11:58Speaker 4: every quarterback in the country. The name a quarterback that
- 12:00Speaker 4: doesn't run, It just stands there. Now, there's no such
- 12:03Speaker 4: thing anymore that guy is. There might be one or
- 12:07Speaker 4: two out there that win more in the pocket, but
- 12:10Speaker 4: every quarterback is active. There's too many RPO games now
- 12:15Speaker 4: to just throw that out and say, well, he's a
- 12:17Speaker 4: stand in the pocket guy and he's gonna deal it
- 12:19Speaker 4: down the field. No, I mean Julian's saying, Ohio State
- 12:22Speaker 4: is as good as anybody getting the ball out of
- 12:24Speaker 4: his hands so quickly. They just make it, make offense
- 12:26Speaker 4: really efficient. So I would say that the run game
- 12:29Speaker 4: stopping the run game. I don't worry about giving up runs.
- 12:33Speaker 4: I worry about points in the red zone. And being
- 12:36Speaker 4: watching what Ohio State does so well is they don't
- 12:40Speaker 4: give up points in the red zone. They just don't
- 12:42Speaker 4: and they're very, very good at that, and that's more
- 12:45Speaker 4: important to me.
- 12:46Speaker 2: Cam Cleveland.
- 12:47Speaker 3: What it's right here on Chucking Bock on the mornings
- 12:49Speaker 3: here on this Wednesday, bye week for the Dogs.
- 12:52Speaker 2: Four weeks to go in the regular season.
- 12:56Speaker 3: All right, So the big topic in college football this week,
- 12:59Speaker 3: and it really has come to a head. It's been
- 13:00Speaker 3: building up to this moment, all of the head coaching
- 13:03Speaker 3: firings that are taking place, all the money that's being
- 13:06Speaker 3: eaten by programs to try to find somebody that cannot
- 13:10Speaker 3: just be good at running a program, but you got
- 13:12Speaker 3: to be championship caliber at all moments of all time.
- 13:16Speaker 3: That seems to be the mentality right now that is
- 13:18Speaker 3: sweeping campuses across the country.
- 13:21Speaker 2: I don't believe it's sustainable.
- 13:23Speaker 3: I have our time thinking anybody could think that this
- 13:26Speaker 3: is sustainable. But we're not just talking about individual cases here.
- 13:30Speaker 3: This isn't just Penn State decided we just don't like
- 13:33Speaker 3: James Franklin anymore. This seems to be a giant wave,
- 13:37Speaker 3: an unexpected rogue wave that's hitting college football. And I
- 13:40Speaker 3: wanted to get your thoughts on it.
- 13:43Speaker 2: Man.
- 13:43Speaker 4: There's a lot to unpacked there, guys, I mean, Sholley,
- 13:46Speaker 4: you guys do we could spend an hour, yeah, to
- 13:48Speaker 4: two hours just going over in detail the catastrophic changes
- 13:53Speaker 4: of college football. And I don't like firings. I don't
- 13:57Speaker 4: like coaches coming into houses and recruiting and saying be
- 14:00Speaker 4: loyal and be loyal to me, and I'll be loyal
- 14:04Speaker 4: to you. I don't like outside endeavors or people that
- 14:08Speaker 4: don't control. I mean, rumors are and I'm okay, rumors
- 14:11Speaker 4: are what rumors? Rumors are that Adidas paid out a
- 14:14Speaker 4: lot of James Franklin's contract and that was part of
- 14:18Speaker 4: thereby do you think ESPN controls the narrative at all.
- 14:24Speaker 4: This sec is the power outside of Really what it
- 14:29Speaker 4: is of college football is to teach young men how
- 14:32Speaker 4: to play football, and teach them how to be really
- 14:34Speaker 4: good leaders, and teach them how to be teammates and
- 14:37Speaker 4: what it is to have time management and discipline and
- 14:39Speaker 4: fight together and make lasting memories together.
- 14:42Speaker 2: Or is it all about a win?
- 14:44Speaker 4: I mean, and that's really what the choice is. And
- 14:46Speaker 4: I've seen it. It's now minor league football, it's professional football.
- 14:50Speaker 4: It's called what it is because they're paid and compensated.
- 14:53Speaker 4: And the move to get into twelve has made the
- 14:57Speaker 4: pressure even more. The recruiting glasses are paid at twenty
- 15:01Speaker 4: five kids. Transfer portal sometimes take ten, so let's say
- 15:04Speaker 4: you take fifteen, and now you have to outpay. And
- 15:07Speaker 4: now the transfer portal is now before January. Oh I'm sorry,
- 15:11Speaker 4: the first week in January. So now you have to
- 15:13Speaker 4: get it done. And now you have to fire your
- 15:16Speaker 4: coaches because the signing day has been moved up because
- 15:18Speaker 4: you can't lose your recruit So now you got to
- 15:20Speaker 4: fire them in season. You can't wait till the end
- 15:22Speaker 4: of the season because you're going to lose your whole
- 15:23Speaker 4: recruiting class. Now you have to pay out all these
- 15:26Speaker 4: guaranteed money. So with all that being said, what's the
- 15:28Speaker 4: answer Something something's got to give and will what will
- 15:33Speaker 4: it end up being? I wish I had a bright
- 15:36Speaker 4: answer for it, But I still love college football. I
- 15:40Speaker 4: just think we're in a massive transition period that has
- 15:43Speaker 4: to come to a head, and it'll come to a
- 15:44Speaker 4: head with a commissioner, rules and all of that starts
- 15:48Speaker 4: to see college football, in my mind, ends up being
- 15:51Speaker 4: its own entity away from college. Eventually it'll be under
- 15:54Speaker 4: the college umbrella, but I think it moves into its
- 15:57Speaker 4: own entity soon and everything else is still college football,
- 16:02Speaker 4: but there is a commissioner that controls and rules that, yeah,
- 16:07Speaker 4: take maybe it's sixty four, maybe it's eighty four, maybe
- 16:10Speaker 4: it's one hundred and thirty, that all go off on
- 16:12Speaker 4: their own and play real college football.
- 16:15Speaker 3: I think a lot of silly people with silly money
- 16:19Speaker 3: amounts of money are feeling their oats right now and
- 16:22Speaker 3: trying to control something that they enjoy doing, which is
- 16:25Speaker 3: watching college football.
- 16:27Speaker 2: So it's going to go on to two ways. Either
- 16:29Speaker 2: those silly.
- 16:30Speaker 3: People with the silly money are going to wise up
- 16:32Speaker 3: and say even bad investments are not fun. You know,
- 16:35Speaker 3: we just can't keep doing this or even sillier people
- 16:40Speaker 3: with even sillier money are going to get involved, and
- 16:43Speaker 3: then it's not gonna look like anything that we want
- 16:47Speaker 3: college football to look like.
- 16:48Speaker 2: And that will be a sad day. But it's kind
- 16:51Speaker 2: of crazy.
- 16:52Speaker 3: I mean, every time you think something's fixed and that
- 16:55Speaker 3: you've got your arms around one thing in this new
- 16:58Speaker 3: era of college football, something unexpected and starts occurring that
- 17:01Speaker 3: does not feel sustainable. And right now that's the firing,
- 17:04Speaker 3: the mass firings of college football coaches with years left
- 17:08Speaker 3: on their contracts.
- 17:10Speaker 4: Well, what do you tell? And that's I mean, and
- 17:12Speaker 4: I agree with that. I mean all this money when
- 17:14Speaker 4: I when you pay out this money to coaches and
- 17:16Speaker 4: Brian Kelly, I watched the Netflix show and if you
- 17:19Speaker 4: guys watched the SEC I never bought into Brian Kelly.
- 17:22Speaker 4: I never liked his personality. I knew that fit wouldn't
- 17:24Speaker 4: work there. Now, what do you tell these guys on Saturday?
- 17:27Speaker 4: Because Saturday never really changes, right? I mean that that
- 17:30Speaker 4: comes down to those young guys getting four years a
- 17:33Speaker 4: chance to play on a national showcase. The NFL still
- 17:37Speaker 4: needs a free farm system. So something has to give
- 17:41Speaker 4: and something has to work. But Saturday, to me, is
- 17:44Speaker 4: still an unbelievable feeling. It's it's fans, It's it's it's tribal.
- 17:50Speaker 4: Don't ever lose that fans. Don't let the money and
- 17:53Speaker 4: the tribal mindset ever change. And that's that's what I
- 17:56Speaker 4: still love, that will never go away. In college football,
- 17:59Speaker 4: can't idiots with with the large amount of money. Sure,
- 18:02Speaker 4: that's fine. I mean you want to, you want to
- 18:04Speaker 4: throw your money at the wall, It's not mine. Do
- 18:06Speaker 4: whatever you want. But I don't care how much you buy.
- 18:09Speaker 4: All right, you're still can't buy wins. You can't, or
- 18:13Speaker 4: Oregon would have ten national championships by now, easy, all.
- 18:17Speaker 3: Right, last thirty last thirty seconds with you? Scary movies
- 18:21Speaker 3: or slasher movies or The Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, what
- 18:24Speaker 3: are you gonna say?
- 18:25Speaker 4: Oh, scary movies or slasher movie? Are we talking the
- 18:29Speaker 4: difference between Scream and like Psycho?
- 18:32Speaker 2: Yeah? Like Psycho or Saw?
- 18:35Speaker 4: Oh saws the thumbs I see. I'm not into the
- 18:37Speaker 4: Saw thing. I'm more of the psycho.
- 18:39Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 18:42Speaker 4: I don't need the gore. I don't need the gore.
- 18:44Speaker 4: I would have like a good thriller.
- 18:46Speaker 2: Thriller. It sounds like a good time.
- 18:48Speaker 3: Just Cam Cleland's watching uh, you know, classic horror movies
- 18:52Speaker 3: and having a big giant bucket of peanut buttercups from Rees's.
- 18:56Speaker 2: It sounds like a winner to me, right there.
- 18:59Speaker 3: All right, man, thank you there. We appreciate it and
- 19:01Speaker 3: enjoy the bye week.
- 19:03Speaker 4: Appreciate it, guys.
- 19:04Speaker 2: Thanks all right, Cam Clearland, the Voice of the Dogs.
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- 19:24Speaker 3: up next the final ABC's of twenty twenty five on
- 19:28Speaker 3: Chuck and Buck. We will will close out the alphabet
- 19:32Speaker 3: and then say goodbye until twenty twenty six to our
- 19:35Speaker 3: daily Mariner segment. Here today, is I know that makes
- 19:37Speaker 3: you sad?
- 19:38Speaker 4: Buck?
- 19:38Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, it is, al right, it does make me sad. Yeah, sorry.
- 19:41Speaker 5: We could have done like one more round.
- 19:43Speaker 2: Yeah I'm kidding. Yeah, that's been great.
- 19:45Speaker 5: That would have meant we were still playing wit finish
- 19:47Speaker 5: it with World Series champions.
- 19:49Speaker 3: Or that the segment is so awesome Ashley that you
- 19:52Speaker 3: guys wouldn't let it in.
- 19:53Speaker 2: That's another possibility, I suk, that's.
- 19:55Speaker 6: Not a possibility.
- 19:57Speaker 2: No, for ABCS.
- 20:00Speaker 6: Over to football, I do like the ABCS, but I
- 20:03Speaker 6: like them the way they are.
- 20:05Speaker 3: Yeah, you like them When there's Mariner games going on, Rah,
- 20:08Speaker 3: we do the ABC's.
- 20:10Speaker 2: So we will wrap it up.
- 20:11Speaker 3: And of course the World Series is going on, and
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- 20:35Speaker 3: Shoe Otani was good last night, but maybe pushed a
- 20:38Speaker 3: little too far into the seventh inning, considering that he
- 20:42Speaker 3: got on Mays nine times the night before in an
- 20:46Speaker 3: eighteen inning game, and maybe just wasn't quite as perky
- 20:50Speaker 3: as he would be to be pitching for the longest
- 20:54Speaker 3: period of time he's pitched all season long, but Dave
- 20:56Speaker 3: Roberts tried to ride him into the seventh. The Blue
- 20:59Speaker 3: Jays scored a couple of runs and pulled away for
- 21:02Speaker 3: a six to two victory. But the Mariners are the
- 21:06Speaker 3: subject of the abcs of the MS, and so we
- 21:09Speaker 3: close out with a letter why and Z. Why is
- 21:12Speaker 3: year in Review? It's the year in review of the Mariners.
- 21:16Speaker 3: And I thought it was very grown up of Nathan
- 21:19Speaker 3: Bishop in our promo that's running right now, because he's
- 21:23Speaker 3: usually very negative, like the most negative person ever.
- 21:28Speaker 2: But look, I think that that's it.
- 21:30Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that anybody should feel satisfied
- 21:35Speaker 3: with the twenty twenty five Mariners. But that doesn't mean
- 21:37Speaker 3: it wasn't a successful season.
- 21:39Speaker 2: It was. We won the division, went.
- 21:41Speaker 3: Further than any team has ever gone in Mariners history.
- 21:45Speaker 3: Just wipe away the history for a second. Making it
- 21:48Speaker 3: to Game seven of the ALCS and losing by a
- 21:51Speaker 3: swing means you had a damn good year. You get
- 21:55Speaker 3: to hang a banner next year. Granted it's just a
- 21:57Speaker 3: divisional banner, but you get to hang that you got
- 21:59Speaker 3: out from undernea. The Houston Astros. Finally he got a
- 22:02Speaker 3: buy in the first round of the playoffs. We had
- 22:04Speaker 3: memories for two straight weeks that are going to last
- 22:06Speaker 3: a lifetime. You'd better believe it was a successful year.
- 22:09Speaker 3: But also, no one should feel satisfied, certainly John Stanton,
- 22:13Speaker 3: Jerry Depoto, Justin Hollander, and no fan should feel satisfied
- 22:18Speaker 3: with twenty twenty five. It's about winning a championship and
- 22:21Speaker 3: until we do, we're not going to feel satisfied.
- 22:23Speaker 2: That. That doesn't mean it wasn't a successful year.
- 22:26Speaker 5: Yeah, those two things can be they can both be
- 22:29Speaker 5: true at the same time. I mean, you know, I
- 22:31Speaker 5: think that if you look at the two teams that
- 22:35Speaker 5: are still in it, Toronto ends up making the World
- 22:38Speaker 5: Series for the first time in what thirty one years,
- 22:41Speaker 5: and so it's not like it's not some long standing
- 22:44Speaker 5: feet now they've been there before, they've won a couple
- 22:46Speaker 5: of them, and so they don't have that same history,
- 22:49Speaker 5: which I think does propel you to a deeper depth
- 22:51Speaker 5: of depression when your season comes to a close. I
- 22:56Speaker 5: think it does because we haven't and we were so
- 22:59Speaker 5: close to getting to somewhere that we had never been before.
- 23:02Speaker 5: But that doesn't yeah to me. It seems it seems
- 23:07Speaker 5: hollow if you just think, well, it's just a failure,
- 23:09Speaker 5: anything less. I mean, there'll be people that will text
- 23:11Speaker 5: in and say, well, that's just loser mentality. To be satisfied,
- 23:15Speaker 5: not satisfied, but to be able to deem it a
- 23:17Speaker 5: successful season even though you're disappointed that you didn't achieve
- 23:21Speaker 5: the ultimate that's a loser mentality. Okay, whatever you think.
- 23:25Speaker 5: But I'll just go ahead and say I don't have
- 23:27Speaker 5: a loser mentality. I'm not satisfied with getting one swing
- 23:31Speaker 5: from it or nine outs away from achieving at least
- 23:36Speaker 5: getting to the World Series. And then what we're watching
- 23:38Speaker 5: right now, the team that we took to the brink
- 23:41Speaker 5: is tied with the Dodgers, who spend a bajillion dollars
- 23:45Speaker 5: on their roster this season. So I mean, I'm not satisfied,
- 23:48Speaker 5: but I'm very content with where we are. I definitely
- 23:53Speaker 5: my mind goes to, boy, you gotta follow this up,
- 23:56Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I hope for damn well
- 23:57Speaker 5: that they don't get chintzy with what they're going to spend.
- 24:02Speaker 5: And yet, I mean, I just hope that they don't backslide.
- 24:07Speaker 5: I hope that they enjoyed the ride, and it sounds
- 24:10Speaker 5: like they did that they understand where they're at and
- 24:12Speaker 5: this is the window is now for sure open. It's
- 24:15Speaker 5: time to stay on top of your division. It's time
- 24:17Speaker 5: to make the playoffs again. It's time to learn from
- 24:19Speaker 5: your mistakes and hopefully button up some things that were
- 24:22Speaker 5: a little bit suspect.
- 24:24Speaker 6: I think that's what a lot of people when they're saying, well,
- 24:27Speaker 6: it's not a successful season, or having that kind of
- 24:31Speaker 6: if we didn't win it, it's not a success. I
- 24:33Speaker 6: think the mentality of that is coming from the fact
- 24:35Speaker 6: that people so many people are worried about the offseason
- 24:37Speaker 6: and thinking, well, look at how long it took us
- 24:40Speaker 6: to do this since the last time, Like, look at
- 24:42Speaker 6: how long it's been since we won the division. But
- 24:45Speaker 6: as you said earlier, it's not the same Mariners team,
- 24:47Speaker 6: and it's not run by the same people that were
- 24:50Speaker 6: running the team back in two thousand and one, Like
- 24:52Speaker 6: we just got to It's hard, I know, because we
- 24:54Speaker 6: have a long history of not succeeding at this. But
- 24:56Speaker 6: you've got to have faith that these guys are going
- 24:58Speaker 6: to get this done in the off season and that
- 24:59Speaker 6: we're going to have this similar team back out their
- 25:02Speaker 6: next time.
- 25:03Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't make.
- 25:04Speaker 3: It there with a star player who's thirty seven years
- 25:08Speaker 3: old exactly. I mean, we didn't make it there with
- 25:11Speaker 3: a pitching staff that's all going to inter free agency
- 25:14Speaker 3: in the offseason. We entered there with a young nucleus
- 25:19Speaker 3: that is the envy of most every franchise franchise in
- 25:24Speaker 3: Major League Baseball. I mean, even the Dodgers were a
- 25:27Speaker 3: team that I always gave credit because they ran their
- 25:31Speaker 3: organization so well, and their farm system was always good,
- 25:34Speaker 3: and they always built through the farm system, and then yeah,
- 25:37Speaker 3: then they took their millions and they added to it.
- 25:40Speaker 3: This team just is all about buying everything. That's why
- 25:43Speaker 3: I just don't even respect the Dodgers.
- 25:45Speaker 2: Team right now.
- 25:45Speaker 3: There's a lot different I think it's a different situation.
- 25:48Speaker 3: But in terms of the foundation built, I'm not sure
- 25:51Speaker 3: there's a better foundation in all of the sport than
- 25:55Speaker 3: what we have right here in Seattle and should be
- 25:57Speaker 3: able to profit off of for years to come.
- 25:59Speaker 2: But yeah, you have to win it all.
- 26:01Speaker 3: You got to certainly get to the World Series, and
- 26:03Speaker 3: you gotta win it all in order to eventually feel satisfied,
- 26:07Speaker 3: but that doesn't.
- 26:08Speaker 2: Mean that you can't have success along the way.
- 26:10Speaker 3: Finally, Ze is just for az as we get ready
- 26:14Speaker 3: to you know, snooze into the off season. It's a
- 26:19Speaker 3: long hibernating winter, but there will be activity.
- 26:22Speaker 2: There will be stove turns out.
- 26:24Speaker 3: I like the stove a lot, but yeah, we kind
- 26:27Speaker 3: of shut things off for a little while, but there
- 26:31Speaker 3: will be plenty of activity to sculpt.
- 26:33Speaker 2: I just don't think you're going to see many additions.
- 26:36Speaker 3: As we talked about in Reckless at Breakfast today, I
- 26:39Speaker 3: think the pursuit of Josh Naylor to be brought back.
- 26:42Speaker 2: I mean, it's going to be up to him to
- 26:44Speaker 2: play ball with this.
- 26:45Speaker 3: If he wants to be the highest paid he can
- 26:49Speaker 3: possibly be and take the highest offer he's not getting
- 26:51Speaker 3: it from Seattle. I could see a Josh Naylor because
- 26:55Speaker 3: we can't figure him out, he's so serious. I could
- 26:58Speaker 3: see him saying, this is a business decision. This is
- 27:01Speaker 3: the biggest business decision of my life. I've got to
- 27:03Speaker 3: get the best deal, and so that's what I'm going
- 27:05Speaker 3: to do. But I can also see Josh Naylor saying
- 27:08Speaker 3: there are bigger things in life than just making the
- 27:10Speaker 3: most money, and I loved it here.
- 27:13Speaker 2: I'm going to stay here.
- 27:14Speaker 3: I think there's something special going here, and I won't
- 27:16Speaker 3: take the highest offer. If he takes the highest offer,
- 27:18Speaker 3: he's not coming back next year because they're not going
- 27:20Speaker 3: to give it to him. But if they give him
- 27:23Speaker 3: a fair market offer, I think we'll have him back.
- 27:26Speaker 3: I think we could get Jorge Polanco back, and other
- 27:29Speaker 3: than that, I don't think we're going to add a lot.
- 27:31Speaker 3: So people might look at that as a snooze off season,
- 27:35Speaker 3: but you might want.
- 27:36Speaker 2: To prepare yourself for that.
- 27:37Speaker 5: I think the dude wants to win first and foremost
- 27:41Speaker 5: and do so making as much money as he possibly can.
- 27:44Speaker 5: So I think his decision's going to be made by
- 27:46Speaker 5: I'm going to go where I think they're going to win.
- 27:49Speaker 5: I like the organization and how they sell themselves to me,
- 27:52Speaker 5: and they're willing to come up there and be at
- 27:56Speaker 5: least near the top offer, right. I don't see him
- 28:00Speaker 5: as a guy that would just take I don't even know.
- 28:03Speaker 5: The Rockies were like, we just really love the way
- 28:05Speaker 5: you play, and you'll be a great clubhouse guy for us,
- 28:08Speaker 5: and he's like, all right, done, I'll just go be
- 28:10Speaker 5: a Rocky and suck for the rest of my career.
- 28:12Speaker 5: I don't the team will suck for the rest of
- 28:14Speaker 5: my career. I don't think you'd do that. At the
- 28:16Speaker 5: same time, I don't for some reason, I don't think
- 28:19Speaker 5: he's just going to be like, I really love the
- 28:22Speaker 5: summer in Seattle. The weather's beautiful, fans were wonderful. That's enough.
- 28:27Speaker 5: You know, I'll leave ten million a year on the table.
- 28:30Speaker 5: I just don't think. Yeah, so it's imstic about.
- 28:35Speaker 3: I think they'll get a little uncomfortable to bring him back,
- 28:38Speaker 3: but they're not going to get a lot of uncomfortable
- 28:39Speaker 3: to bring Yeah, yep, So we'll see balls in your court. Josh,
- 28:43Speaker 3: you know you're wanted back. I think you are going
- 28:45Speaker 3: to get a fair offer. But if you have to
- 28:46Speaker 3: have the most money, then you probably are going to
- 28:49Speaker 3: be playing for somebody else next season. All right, let
- 28:52Speaker 3: it be the Yankees coming up next on the program,
- 28:56Speaker 3: Man and the Words of Peaches and Herb Reunited and
- 29:01Speaker 3: it feels so good.
- 29:03Speaker 2: The Seahawks secondary is going to be back together for the.
- 29:06Speaker 3: First time, and Forever Sports Radio ninety three point three
- 29:09Speaker 3: kJ r FM, let's.
- 29:10Speaker 2: Go tackle the crap out of some people.
- 29:13Speaker 3: Yeah, listening to the song, Ah, so good to be
- 29:16Speaker 3: back with you, buddy.
- 29:17Speaker 2: Let's go bloody. Some noses A hard time visualizing that,
- 29:22Speaker 2: picturing it perfectly. I picture that too, Yeah.
- 29:25Speaker 3: Little candy hearts floating around their head. Not for each other,
- 29:28Speaker 3: not for one another, not that kind of thing. Violence, yes,
- 29:32Speaker 3: for violence.
- 29:33Speaker 5: Just mutual love for lusting for violence.
- 29:36Speaker 3: Yes, it's been too long since we punished together.
- 29:42Speaker 2: I feel that.
- 29:44Speaker 5: The holding hands and then listening to that song of
- 29:46Speaker 5: the part that's hard, Like I could see them like
- 29:48Speaker 5: looking at each other, maybe perfect button each other with
- 29:51Speaker 5: their helmet on.
- 29:52Speaker 2: It's perfect.
- 29:52Speaker 5: Let's go make snop bubbles.
- 29:54Speaker 2: Yeah, let's make someone the pay.
- 29:56Speaker 3: I'm sorry. That's perfect tackle music. If you can get
- 29:59Speaker 3: fired up, listen to that to go tackle people. You're
- 30:03Speaker 3: you're already that something like that.
- 30:07Speaker 5: Like that, Like, guys, I feel left out and.
- 30:10Speaker 6: Everyone's like you might not be on the team.
- 30:14Speaker 2: Yeah, you're fast.
- 30:15Speaker 3: They see how far you can run, fat fast, you
- 30:17Speaker 3: can run away. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion
- 30:23Speaker 3: with him, but I certainly am excited.
- 30:26Speaker 4: Uh.
- 30:26Speaker 3: I mean, this first time in a long time, this
- 30:28Speaker 3: team's got the first place at the bye week, and
- 30:32Speaker 3: I think there's an argument to be made the strength
- 30:34Speaker 3: of the team lies in the secondary, and you've been
- 30:37Speaker 3: without your stabilizing force and Julian Love. Uh, you've been
- 30:41Speaker 3: without your best player. Arguably maybe Jsen has taken that over,
- 30:46Speaker 3: but Devin Witherspoon, your best defensive player all around, Emon
- 30:50Speaker 3: warr he missed a lot of time and he since
- 30:52Speaker 3: he's gone gotten back and people think he's already a star.
- 30:55Speaker 3: He's not been a star next to Love and Witherspoon.
- 30:59Speaker 3: So to be in this position, to have two weeks off,
- 31:03Speaker 3: to get ready for a soft part of your schedule,
- 31:06Speaker 3: and to get to play on Sunday night, I mean,
- 31:09Speaker 3: I don't care if you're playing Peaches and.
- 31:10Speaker 2: Herb, you know, Mozart or the Hanson Brothers. If you
- 31:16Speaker 2: aren't fired up to.
- 31:17Speaker 3: Imbop some people in the face this Sunday night, then
- 31:20Speaker 3: you don't even belong in football.
- 31:22Speaker 2: This is awesome.
- 31:24Speaker 5: Well, I think that this team, unlike last year, at
- 31:28Speaker 5: this point in the season, I think they knew who
- 31:29Speaker 5: the heck they are. I think that you know, we
- 31:31Speaker 5: heard last year how complex Mike McDonald's defense was, and
- 31:35Speaker 5: so there's a lot of thinking that goes on. There's
- 31:37Speaker 5: a lot of kind of cat and mouse of showing
- 31:41Speaker 5: one thing and doing another thing. And Hughes broke down
- 31:43Speaker 5: where when you're in that transition, while it can be
- 31:46Speaker 5: confusing in the quarterback, while you get back to where
- 31:49Speaker 5: you're supposed to go, there's a split second that you're
- 31:51Speaker 5: not where you're supposed to be. And I think that
- 31:54Speaker 5: you're better players physically and mentally, which Julian Love and
- 31:58Speaker 5: Devin Witherspoon I think both bring.
- 32:00Speaker 2: That to the table.
- 32:01Speaker 5: I think that can kind of make those gaps, if
- 32:04Speaker 5: you will, like while you're getting from where you're spot
- 32:06Speaker 5: where you were at as a as you know, kind
- 32:08Speaker 5: of eye candy, to where you're supposed to be. I
- 32:11Speaker 5: think that those are going to be smaller and so
- 32:14Speaker 5: even less opportunity for the opponent for the quarterback to
- 32:18Speaker 5: take advantage of it. So I kind of feel like
- 32:20Speaker 5: the strength of the team the defense, and yeah, I
- 32:23Speaker 5: think there's a good argument that it's the back side
- 32:25Speaker 5: of the defense that is the strongest when they're healthy. Yeah,
- 32:29Speaker 5: if you get everybody back and they understand what it
- 32:32Speaker 5: is that they're he's been teaching them to do for
- 32:34Speaker 5: a year and a half now, Yeah, well, and already
- 32:37Speaker 5: pretty pretty tough. Defense, could be really really tough.
- 32:40Speaker 2: Move forward, you hit it right on the head.
- 32:41Speaker 6: There it is eye candy, and all of them back
- 32:44Speaker 6: on the field will be eye candy.
- 32:46Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 32:47Speaker 3: I think they're already very close to being great defensively.
- 32:51Speaker 3: They're going to be great defensively. I mean, it's almost
- 32:54Speaker 3: like for the last few weeks, you know, when you're like,
- 32:57Speaker 3: I've never broken my wrist, but people that break their
- 33:00Speaker 3: they can't use their right hand, their dominant hand for
- 33:02Speaker 3: a while, and then they have to do everything left
- 33:04Speaker 3: handed for a while. We kind of had to do
- 33:06Speaker 3: everything left handed for a while. And now the left
- 33:08Speaker 3: hand is actually functional and really good, and now the
- 33:12Speaker 3: right hands strong again, and they're like, man, I got
- 33:14Speaker 3: two hands.
- 33:15Speaker 6: I'm ambidextra.
- 33:16Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good at using both. I mean, how much?
- 33:19Speaker 3: How much are you gonna unlock with this? So this
- 33:22Speaker 3: is just to me, this is just the most exciting
- 33:24Speaker 3: part of the entire season to this point, to be
- 33:27Speaker 3: in first place coming off of by getting ready for
- 33:30Speaker 3: the second half of the season, and you are going
- 33:32Speaker 3: to be getting your secondary together with Emon Warr, Witherspoon,
- 33:38Speaker 3: and Love all playing on Sunday night against the Commanders
- 33:41Speaker 3: who might not even have Jaden Daniels.
- 33:43Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sign me up for some of that.
- 33:45Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you want to talk about some mixed signals.
- 33:48Speaker 3: Sit there and just hold hands and sing Peaches at
- 33:51Speaker 3: herb right before the snap and see how confused Marcus
- 33:54Speaker 3: Mariota gets.
- 33:55Speaker 2: Watch the magic be confusing. All right?
- 33:57Speaker 3: Coming up next, speaking of the Sea Hawks, we are
- 34:00Speaker 3: getting close to the NFL trade deadline. We're getting closer
- 34:03Speaker 3: to Halloween, so on the other side, we're going to
- 34:06Speaker 3: go trade or treating. On Sports Radio ninety three point
- 34:09Speaker 3: three KJRFM,