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Something STRANGE is Happening to the Internet — Google Whistleblower Interview · Man in America Podcast

• 0:01
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Hulghouse. So ever since Elon has bought Twitter, we're seeing a massive transformation of the platform. Not only are voices like doctor Peter McCullough or Robert Malone being brought back on the platform after being censored before for questioning the narrative, we're also seeing the revealing of the internal files that show that there was massive, massive corruption at Twitter, an extremely, extremely biased staff that was censoring basically any view that didn't go along with the official narrative. But more importantly, that Twitter was actually working hand in hand with government agencies.
• 0:45
  I mean, folks, if this isn't some form of fascism, I don't know what is. But the big question is now that Elon is really opening up the backdoor to Twitter and showing everyone what's really going on, what's been happening all along at other big companies like Google, for instance, or Facebook? And how are Elon's actions with Twitter going to affect these other services? And so there's a lot to unpack here. But joining me today is Zach Voorhees, who's actually, one of the prominent Google whistleblowers who that's how he first became really well known was because he came out and showed this level of censorship happening at Google.
• 1:25
  And so I'm bringing him on today to talk about what's happening with Elon, what he's seeing from his perspective, and how he thinks this is going to change the future of internet censorship. But before we get started with the interview, folks, make sure you're following me on Telegram, Truth Social, and Gab at Man in America. You can also catch every episode as a podcast if you just wanna listen. The links to my podcast and social media are all in the description below, or just search for man in America in your favorite podcast app. Make sure you leave me a five star rating.
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• 3:59
  Let's get started with this interview with Zach Voorhees. Zach, thank you so much for joining me. It's it's great to have you here.
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Seth. It's good to be back on your program.
• 4:10
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. So it was interesting because I had reached out to you recently because my wife and I, you know, we usually look for social, you know, search engine that's not Google. But if we're searching for something like how to fix a tire or, you know, what essential oil works best for x, a lot of times we still do use Google because it's just such a massive search engine. But we noticed something really strange, which I brought to your attention, was that even on really ordinary searches, like, you know, how to fix something around the house, Google would come back and say, hey. We've got, you know, 585,000,000 results, which is typical.
• 4:47
  Right? It's like a massive amount of results. But then at the bottom, we'd go down there, and you wouldn't find what you're looking for in the first couple of pages. But once you got to, say, page seven of that search, it was almost as if the search was up, and and they would say there's no more results. Yet they're saying there's, you know, half a billion results if they're only giving you a couple hundred.
• 5:07
  And that just didn't make sense to me because I'm thinking, okay, if Google's job is to or not really job, their business model is built around providing a good search. Why would they limit this information? And I reached out to you, you had a really interesting response, which got us talking about a lot of things. I said, okay. Let's have a show about this.
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you know, look. Google clamped down on information. Right? Especially 02/2020.
• 5:37
  You know, it got really bad, people were noticing that despite the fact that Google is like, oh, we've got hundreds and thousands of results. You know, they go to the fourth page and then all of a sudden, that's it. No more search results, which, you know, I'm surprised that Google hasn't been sued for false advertising because, you know, they're not showing you hundreds of thou results. They're showing you about 40. And what's interesting is that now it seems that they're sort of releasing the grip of censorship that they've held so tightly.
• 6:08
  And I honestly, you know, just to give it away, spoiler alert, I think it's Elon Musk. I think that Elon Musk buying Twitter is sending seismic shock waves through the tech industry because what Elon just did at Twitter is something that needs to happen at every other social media network out there. And the problem that they have is that they are bloated with leftists, people that are there because of diversity quotas that are going in. And I reported that Google was implementing, you know, racial quotas. And so and when I when I was working there at YouTube during the final years, despite the women making a minority of the the population, the the employee pool, they were getting almost universally promoted ahead of all the other guys.
• 7:02
  Like, it was like you would see there would be, like, three women and then, like, one guy. And I was like, okay. Well, maybe that's just, like, one promotional cycle, but it was, like, all of them. And I was like, okay. I see what's going on here.
• 7:13
  They're not trying to promote. Like, why even work hard? Right? Like, why even work hard if you know that you're just gonna get passed up for promotion? And so
• 7:21
  Seth Holehouse: going and having a transgender operation because then you're a woman and you're a transgender. They'll probably give you, like, three promotions for that. Right?
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: Right. Exactly. You're you're sort of like diversity stack. Right? And and so I I noticed this pattern that was happening a lot.
• 7:37
  This is one of the reasons why it kinda enraged me is because, look, like, you know, leave politics at home, come to work, and get your job done. Like, your job, you know, like it or not, is to enrich the shareholders. Right? And that's that's the system that's driven all this prosperity. Yeah.
• 7:53
  It benefits the people at the top, but it's actually really good at benefiting the people that wanna work hard and make something of themselves, and and you can be rewarded for that. So what I saw was sort of the subversion of that model in order to bring about this sort of communistic, oh, we're all equal, all everyone's and the problem is is that you get a bunch of fighting in the company. Right? Because people that have sort of, you know, a complex, they know they're not as smart or as bright as some of the other people, but they try to make up for that by, you know, asserting their opinion even harder and trying to make the trivial sound more complex. And so what happens is that if you're a high producer, high you know, produce a lot of code, very competent, you know, suffering fools is one of the hardest things you can possibly do.
• 8:45
  And you just they they leave. That's that's what was, you know, happening at YouTube is that there was a brain drain where a lot of the people were just leaving to other companies because they said, f this. I don't need to to deal with this BS at at YouTube and Google. And what's really interesting is that within some of the documents that I disclosed to the public, some of them showed that they're modifying their attrition strategies. So if you want to leave the company and you were white, they wouldn't try to keep you.
• 9:15
  But if you were black, they would. Like, they flat out said this. Right? And so what's happening with Twitter right now is these people that don't belong in a company that are adding negative value, they just got wiped out. Like, remember how it was said that Elon was going to fire 75% of the companies?
• 9:38
  Like, no. That's not true. Right? It was only 50%. And then people kept sabotaging the company.
• 9:45
  Right? They called up the advertisers and said, look. We you shouldn't do business with Twitter anymore because it's, you know, unknown what the the content moderation policies are gonna be. And so you had these very large firms, you know, just cut off revenue. And so Elon's like, okay.
• 10:04
  Well, we got saboteurs still, so we need to fire off you know, I think it's more than 80%. I heard it's up to, like there's like a I don't know if it's a joke, but that there's, like, 50 employees left. And so but I I think it may be a little bit higher than that. But what's interesting is that they fired off all of these sort of, like, worthless employees, and the service is working better than it's ever worked before. Right?
• 10:31
  Like, it's fun again. It's it's really addicting. And so, you know, Elon is sitting there. He's like, well, if we're gonna do all this infrastructure so we can, you know, do two minute videos, why not make forty one minute videos? Right?
• 10:44
  Why not monetize content creators? And YouTube sitting there going, oh, oh, crap. That's what we're doing. That's our business model. But we've got a bunch of diversity hires, and Twitter has the best of the best.
• 10:57
  Right? Like, Twitter doesn't care what your race is. All they care about is whether you can code and add value to their stack. And if you could do that, you're in. Doesn't matter if you're gay.
• 11:06
  Doesn't matter if you're straight. Doesn't matter if you're black or white or Indian or Chinese or whatever. Can you code? And that business model of can you code which is like, duh. Like like, yeah, that's the way all businesses should be is going to crush YouTube when it gets to a proper scale.
• 11:23
  And it's going to compete against Reddit. Right? Like, there's no reason that Twitter can't take some of the features from Reddit and integrate it into their service. Like, you ever try to find comments on Twitter? It's a nightmare.
• 11:37
  It's an absolute nightmare. Right? Like, what they need to do at Twitter is to create the tree of comments at that they have for Reddit and just import that feature. They they could probably do it in a week. And what I see is I see all these other tech companies getting scared right now because they know that if they don't change the course of direction, they don't, you know, pull back on the censorship, they're gonna get wiped out because no one wants to be on these social media sites that censor.
• 12:11
  And and the reason why and it was funny. I saw Elon mentioned this exact same thing on a pinned tweet is that these are not just news making machines. They're not just a platform for oligarchs and the elite operatives to to make their voice known. This is a hive mind. It's collection a collective consciousness of people getting together.
• 12:36
  And the thing is is that some of the, you know, operatives, you know, they're they're mouthpieces of whatever needs to be said. But the really interesting stuff is the person that doesn't have a lot of followers that goes deep dives and gives that really, like, truthful narrative that you don't get anywhere else. Right? And they that gets amplified, that gets brought up, and then you go, oh my gosh. I just learned something new today.
• 13:00
  And it was really deep. And then all of a sudden, the world gets way less complex because someone simplified of what's really going on. And Elon gets that, and he's gonna bring that hive mind and take off the censors, which he's already done. And once that hive mind gets uncensored, it's going to be a political media force unlike well, we we saw it before until the censorship came. Right?
• 13:26
  Like, it produced, you know, an anti communist like Donald Trump brought him you know, propelled him to great heights, 80,000,000 followers. And what this is is it's it's this hive mind that's trying to, you know, come into existence, and the oligarchs are spending all of the resources to clamp that down. Right?
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: And
• 13:47
  Seth Holehouse: It only makes it grow even further. It's like the the more they try to clamp it down, the the faster it grows.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. Because then all of a sense like, well, wait a minute. Why is there this institutional power going after this thing? Right?
• 14:01
  And then you start getting interested and you start going down these rabbit holes and you're like, oh, wait a minute. The the stories that we're being fed are there to kinda control us, to misdirect us so that we don't organize and try to create a more, you know, equal society. Right? Because the elites want to make sure that they extract all the resources from the workers and make it exclusively to themselves. And, you know, they're they're doing Ponzi schemes like FTX, which is a giant money laundering operation.
• 14:31
  You know? And, you know, they've got Epstein. They don't want they didn't want that
• 14:35
  Robert Kiyosaki: to
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: stop. Pierce Brock, I hear, is doing something similar in Puerto Rico right now. That's gonna come out in a big way. And so, you know, this hive mind is something that this classical bureaucracy is now trying to fight. And it's basically like if you go back to the printing press during the reformation, there was this printing press.
• 14:57
  They were printing Bibles and they're like, oh, we gotta ban the printing press. Yeah. That didn't work. And, what we see right now is sort of like another revolution in that way. Like, we're creating a collective consciousness in the same way that sharing books did, but much faster, much more efficient.
• 15:14
  And, you know, and and look at what the elites have been trying to do. Right? Like, Eric Schmidt, he went on Charlie Rose, and he basically said that every search result except one was a bug and that they needed to fix it. It's really mind blowing.
• 15:31
  Seth Holehouse: Let me play that for the audience really quick because this is this is crazy, this is I wanna dive in this more with you and see, like, what's the end goal of this because this is kind of frightening. So let go and play. This is Eric Schmidt on Charlie Rose. And one of my questions
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: leading to is help us understand where's the future of search going. Well, when you use Google, do you get more than one answer? Of course you do.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: Well, that's a bug. Yeah. We have more bugs per second in the world. Because we should be able to give you the right answer just once. We should know what you meant.
• 16:08
  You should look for information. We should give it exactly right. And we should give it to you in your language. And we should never be wrong.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: No, we should never be wrong.
• 16:17
  Seth Holehouse: That's like, that's kind of crazy. And that was kind of your response. Think you told me, said, look, Eric Schmidt said this when I was asking you, why are they narrowing the search results down? So, I mean, we've we've seen how Google has played a really, really negative role in leading us into into totalitarianism, into a technocracy, where it really is, you know, nineteen eighty four level of things. It's it's just it's just the digital version.
• 16:45
  Right? You can't you can't say it. You can't think that. You know, lots of censorship around all kinds of issues. Right?
• 16:52
  They don't want us to think that that's not the official narrative. So what is, like where is this leading? Like, what is what is Google's end goal? Because you were there for some time, and you're a very free thinker, but you also got a chance to look, you know, under the hood and see a lot of what they were doing. So where does this lead us, or where where does Google want to lead us?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Well, it's really interesting because I kinda got clued in on the agenda on the last three years that I was there. Right? Like, the first five and a half were great. Right? Libertarian ideals, count me in.
• 17:23
  I was super happy to wake up every day and go to work and change the world. And then Donald Trump got elected, and they're like, we gotta protect everyone from fake news. Right? Or was fake news mean means that, you know, there's an agenda being set by the establishment, and they're gonna echo that and enforce that with AI governor governmentship. And that's where we're we're at right now.
• 17:45
  And so, you know, what you see is that what they wanted to take the country into is this sort of thing where everything is spoon fed. The misinformation is shoveled into your mouth like, oh, the Hunter Biden laptop is rushing disinfo. Right? Our elections are free and fair, and there's no fraud. Right?
• 18:03
  Like, establishment narratives, they're they're trying to bury
• 18:07
  Seth Holehouse: safe and effective.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Right? And now as everyone comes online, what's happening is that we're generating all this data. Right? Microblogs, videos like yourself. And so the thing is is that Google's losing this battle in figuring out what to index and what to not.
• 18:25
  And so they're trying to contain and and fight against this populism by shrinking the Overton window to a very narrow band of what they believe it should be. Right? And there's this slide that I released that was in three different documents in different forms. But it literally said that people like us are programmed. And it was a four step process.
• 18:52
  Seth Holehouse: Is this the one you sent me with the?
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. Yeah. That's one of the three instances. Let's bring it up because this will blow your mind. Right?
• 19:02
  So it starts off with training data are harvested.
• 19:05
  Seth Holehouse: So quick question. Is this, like, an official from, like, an internal Google document?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's in and it's in three it's in two other places. And you know who made this was they're AI ethicists. Michelle what's her name? She got fired for unethical behavior, ironically.
• 19:25
  Seth Holehouse: Imagine that.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Michelle Mitchell is is who did this. And, basically, what's crazy about it actually is that it's true. Right? Like, we are programmable by the amount availability of information.
• 19:41
  It's the availability bias which is driving all of this. And so what they want to do is they want to, you know, take the availability of information, shrink it down to a very narrow band, and then get everyone to believe in that BS because, you know, totalitarian doesn't work if they have dissenting voices. Right? So it, like, breaks the hypnotic spell. There was there was actually a very good experiment that was done in the seventies called the Ash experiment in which they took a subject, placed him into the room, and then they had a bunch of actors that he thought was or she thought were were other subjects.
• 20:25
  And these subjects were given these lines, and they had to figure out which line was the shortest and which one was the longest. And it was really obvious, like like, which one was the shortest. But all the actors gave the wrong answer. And then when the test subject was asked, the real test subject was asked at the end, like, it was two thirds of the time they also gave the wrong answer. And so it was this sort of like blowout, like, wow.
• 20:55
  People are that programmable or rather it's this I think it's like a herd mentality. Like, we don't want to go against the tribe. Right? Like, if the tribe's like, oh, we need to, like, go this way and, like, half the people are like, oh, we wanna go this other way, then the tribe's gonna split and its survivability is gonna get less. And so I think that there's this herd mentality to increase our survivability as a tribe to sort of agree with one another.
• 21:23
  If everyone else agrees, you don't want to be the one that disagrees with that. And so that's the reason why they want to crush dissent is because that dissent breaks their totalitarianism. And in a totalitarianism, the only dissent that you're able to get is through controlled opposition, which is what I think the model is that they're trying to bring into America, which is the reason why that we need this social media system where small independent voices that possibly don't even have that many followers can go wildly, viral when they share great information with the Hive Mind Collective. Yeah. That's what happened
• 22:02
  Seth Holehouse: to me. I mean, like, the first video we put up when Trump shared it and, like, pinned it on his Twitter. I mean, overnight, I went from just some random guy to I mean, that got probably hundreds of millions of views around the world. Right? Now granted, it's because someone like Trump took it and did it.
• 22:17
  But like, you know, it was discovered. I was just some random guy who put a video up and eventually got to that. And that allowed that to spread like that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Tell me more about that because that actually is was how I saw you because all of a sudden you came out of nowhere. And just just state for the record this is gonna sound funny. I'm kidding. But just state for the record that you're definitely not a psy op that got dropped into the narrative. Right?
• 22:43
  Seth Holehouse: So, yeah, I I swear by the truth and, you know, anyway no. I mean, literally, like, my my wife and I, we made it after the election. We made the video of the plot to seal America. Right? And, you know, we we spent like a month on it.
• 22:56
  We built a little studio in our basement. You know, we we funded it from our own cells. Wasn't expensive. It was just, you know, basic material at Home Depot and just time. And so we made this video put it up.
• 23:07
  I think it took about a month to make. And we put up like on December 7, and it started going viral first on Facebook, like it was getting hundreds of thousands of shares and probably millions of views, Hundreds of thousands of shares is that's a big number in terms of Facebook metrics. Right? And then, you know, then one morning, I woke up and I I got all these people, like, kind of calling me and text me all at once. And basically, actually, I think it was either Ben or Rob.
• 23:34
  One of those guys called me like, dude, guess who just shared your video? I was like, no. What happened? They're like, Trump. And so basically, what he did is he just took it, and he at first, he just retweeted.
• 23:44
  I think he said, wow, and someone else it was someone else's sharing it and he retweeted it. But then his team took it and split it up into two parts, like it was like a seventeen minutes long. So it's like two roughly eight minute parts. And then he uploaded them directly to his Twitter feed and then directly to his Facebook feed, directly to his YouTube channel, like like, officially. And then he pinned it on top of his Twitter and then kept kept, like, retweeting it and talking about it.
• 24:10
  And so that was, like, that was how that happened. And all these people came out. And I had like Daily Beast doing hit pieces. And of course Of I do this Trump new MAGA star. And it's like, I'm just some dude in my basement.
• 24:23
  Like, was that was really about what it was. And so that's you know, now I do this obviously full time. But yeah, that's what it was. And people were, you know, people accusing me of you know, the left was accusing me of being something, and the right was accusing me of being something. It's like, I'm just some guy that Trump shared the video.
• 24:37
  Right?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: It's like the background story is way more boring than people want to make it out to.
• 24:41
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. It's like, I'm just some dude in his basement. Like, that's that's what it was. You know?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Exactly. And, you know, congratulations on not getting purged. Like, you've made it through the purge, and you still have your YouTube channel. And now it looks like the censorship is sort of being pulled back a bit.
• 25:01
  Seth Holehouse: No. I I still I feel like I'm really heavily shadow banned on YouTube. Like, I've got a hundred almost a 30,000 subscribers, and a lot of videos will get 5,000 views on there. Like, it doesn't it doesn't equate unless I'm just uninteresting. But that doesn't seem that's not the reflection on Rumble, for instance, which, you know, who knows?
• 25:21
  Who I mean, there's there's still because I think that because from the very beginning, it was like it was the there was like the Trump channel that I got put into some sort of category from day one on YouTube. And even though the original video is still on YouTube, that goes into like what happened in 2020, everything because it came out the day before their policy about the election came out. And so and actually, it got deleted at one point, like, maybe a week after Trump shared it, it got pulled down, but they got put back up after, a half an hour. It was really strange. Really strange behavior.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All those little and the thing is is that people think that there's, like, a shadowy cabal of, like, people deciding what to delete. No. It's actually a bunch of really weird people in a room, like, not high up, just, like, low level, like, people that are, like, screwed up in the head because of the propaganda. And they're like, oh, this guy's a Nazi, and then they they ban it.
• 26:13
  Right? And what people have to realize is that this really is a ideological fight. It's it's not it's not a bunch of directors sitting in there. It's it's literally a bunch of underlings that are brainwashed with communist ideology, for lack of a better term, that are doing a lot of this censorship. And so you know?
• 26:35
  And what's really sad is that some of the big people that I used you know, that I that I I still watch. But, like, Next News Network, like, he's down to, like, 5,000 views. Like, a video used to be, like, 40,000. Right? And so it's like and my opinion is that this shadow banning, even though people aren't getting their videos taken down as much anymore and getting their channels banned, at least that's my opinion, could be wrong.
• 27:02
  But it seems that the shadow banning, in my opinion, will stay until Twitter sort of releases some sort of YouTube killer, which I think is coming. Right? And Rumble for all of its, you know you know, endeavors can't quite seem to get their player right. Like, now they're having trouble with, like, you know, I can never full screen it or I can never get background to play in my in my app or on the website, and and it takes a long time to load. And so I think that, you know, a product designer like Elon Musk that's, you know, able to blast off ships into space and create this electric car, I think that once he gets a team into place, they're gonna have the best monetization product in the world.
• 27:51
  And I think that what's gonna happen is that content creators like yourself are gonna see that hockey stick growth. And, you know, what's YouTube gonna do at that point? They're gonna become like, you know, like a like a form of Mastodon where it's just a bunch of left wing, you know, echo voices and hall monitors trying to figure out who's gonna ban next. I I think that what what is happening is that the social media revolution is a one way street. Like, we're gonna get more freedom unless we're completely taken over by communists.
• 28:21
  And and I I really think that we're putting up a good fight. Right? Like, in 2020, it was wrong thing to think that the election was stolen. But now in Maricopa County, it's just so obvious what they're doing. They're still counting votes.
• 28:36
  Seth Holehouse: I know.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 28:37
  Seth Holehouse: I know.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And now it's just like now it's like mainstreamed, which is really funny because, like, the difference between being a conspiracy theorist and, you know, something that everyone agrees, oh, yeah. This is actually kinda dirty. Seems to be shortening. And so
• 28:50
  Seth Holehouse: It does. Yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so have you faced any censorship with any of your reporting on what's been going on with the election cenadigans?
• 29:00
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, yeah. I had I had because I I covered Brazil, and YouTube pulled the video down for covering the Brazil elections. That was maybe two weeks ago. And I think because it it started going, you know, spreading pretty well, and it just got deleted one day. And the one on Rumble did really well.
• 29:16
  But so, you know, it's still there. But it's interesting your perspective here because, you know, I've, you know, looked a lot into, you know, just the end goals of technocracy and, you know, the fourth industrial revolution and transhumanism. And, you know, it's a it's a frightening place to kind of explore. Right? And, EV, before you mentioned the controlled opposition, and to me, that's completely Edward Bernays.
• 29:41
  Right? Give them two options, and you control both. So there's this illusion of a freedom of choice. There's an illusion like, oh, I'll pick the red party. I'll pick the blue party.
• 29:51
  It's like, okay. Well, we control both of them. Right? It's like, you know, Pepsi or Coke. I mean, it's like everything is distilled into these two options of, you know, a or b, and they make sure they can control both.
• 30:01
  And it's like, okay, here's your search engines. Like, micro it's like Google or Bing or DuckDuckGo. Well, now we know DuckDuckGo is actually Bing. They're censoring independent, you know, content creators, etcetera. It's all being controlled.
• 30:12
  But, you know, it's like up until Elon coming on the scene like this, it to me, it's like aside from places like Rumble, which now that they're public, it's like, are they gonna go down the same path as YouTube? Will they be censoring eventually because don't want to get kicked out of the App Store? Or you know, what happened to Parler, etc? But, you know, with with what you're saying with Elon coming on, and do you think that what Elon is doing at Twitter is, like, undermining everything that Google is trying to achieve. Because if you look at I'll take a sidestep back to first thing really quickly, is that if you look into there's this book for the rape of the mind.
• 30:51
  Right? Joost Merloo. Mhmm. Fantastic book about totalitarianism. And, basically, the most dangerous threat to totalitarianism is the idea of freedom.
• 31:02
  And so if they can get rid of that idea of freedom, then people are so easy to control. That's why America is such a threat. Right? And so I think that, like, if Google can keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger, they can eventually get rid of that idea of more than two choices. But if one particular country like America, One One particular social media platform like Twitter, as an example, if that becomes the example to show, well, like, well, hey, like, I put the video up on YouTube.
• 31:30
  I've got a hundred thousand subscribers. I've got 3,000 views. I've got 10,000 followers on Twitter, and I got 20,000 views. Right? If if if that, it's like it breaks that mold where it's like, oh, like, this makes that's okay.
• 31:44
  Now I can see how bad Google and YouTube are censoring. So do you think what's happening at Twitter could actually undermine the long term goals that were that are at Google?
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: It's inevitable. If unless Elon turns out to be, you know, controlled opposition himself, which which is possible, but I I see a guy that is good at being a performer. Like, there's something legitimate and authentic about Elon Musk's ability to operate large, very complex products and get them to market and have them be very successful. Like, that is it it I'm not built for it. I'm just gonna admit.
• 32:23
  Like, I if I were to get a a control of a company like that, it would go to shambles. Right? It takes a special type of individual to be able to handle that. Elon Musk has that gift, and he's able to do that. Yes.
• 32:37
  I think it's going to disrupt the entire YouTube business model. I think that people are gonna be like, wait a minute. On this network, I get a lot of traction. This other network, I don't. And they're gonna be able to see that, you know, that there is discrimination happening on one or the others.
• 32:55
  And I think that, you know, a lot of people are addicted to news right now. And once you build that vertical for news, then you can do cooking shows. Then you can do, you know, how to fix a tire. It's these because building that first vertical is the hardest. And then everything else is just a copy of that.
• 33:17
  And then, you know, adding a feature that gives you, like, 3% more performance for all the verticals all of a sudden makes a lot more sense and the economies of scale start kicking in. And, you know, you basically become a a printing press of money. I do think that Elon Musk is going to run into some very difficult problems coming up. And what I see and predict is I think that he is possibly gonna get his app kicked out of the Google and Apple I store Apple App Stores. Right?
• 33:52
  And so right now, he's walking this fine line. He's like, well, we're not gonna talk about, you know, no denying of mass casualty events. Right? Even though you can kinda go in there and say, you know, there's something funny about Sandy Hook or Uvalde, you know, and and nothing's really happening at this point. But he really needs to walk that fine line and at least have the appearance of complying with these app stores because if he flagrantly, you know, defies them, that's it.
• 34:19
  He's off. He's off. And we're all using Twitter on the desktop from here on out. And then the thing is is that Microsoft is locking down their operating system. Apple's locking down their operating system.
• 34:30
  If they don't want you to visit a site, they can pull the certification for any app because now every app that you run on these those two operating systems has to be certified. Right? It's a pain in the ass to get rid of the of the protection lock in order to run an app that is unsigned. And so what I see is that they're going to apply this soft pressure from many different areas involving allowing the existence of Twitter on these platforms. What's the counter?
• 35:03
  The counter, ready for this, is that Elon Musk will build his own phone. Okay? Maybe he takes Android, takes the free version, puts his own software on it, and then makes it the best phone ever. Right? Like, the guy who's gonna make us who made Tesla and SpaceX, he could make a phone.
• 35:24
  And I would be one of the first people to sign up for that phone, especially if that phone was the best phone on the market for some certain, you know, variety of ways. And I think that the way that he could make it better than all these other phones is to have the best AI in that phone so that the entire phone could go into your pocket and you could operate the entire thing. Kinda like the way that Apple tries to be with Siri and the the AirPods. But I think that if Elon Musk had a team that was able to generate a new user interface using just straight up AI, that that would be the killer feature that would really drive everyone to a new phone. That new phone would possibly have Twitter installed by default or at least make it easy to do so.
• 36:10
  And then all of a sudden, he's got a counter play against Apple and Google. And I think that they know this. Right? I think that they're scared of Elon Musk. They see him as a very as a Steve Jobs type of figure that could, like, destroy the companies because the innovators at Google and Apple have kind of, like, been pushed out and you get a lot of yes people at the c level executive.
• 36:32
  Right? Because like, oh, yes. Like, they all agree and they go in a direction. And they can be pretty smart, but they're not as smart as essentially a benevolent dictator, Caesar like figure that, you know, Elon Musk is at this point. Like, a guy that's obsessed and singularly focused on a product where he wakes up and he's thinking about it.
• 36:49
  He goes to bed that he's thinking about. He's not thinking necessarily about how to maximize revenue. He's he's trying to maximize product experience, which Apple and Google is no longer trying to do that anymore. Yeah. Exactly.
• 37:01
  They're trying to they're trying to figure out how they can extract money out of us.
• 37:05
  Seth Holehouse: I mean, it's the same way, like, making sure their phones don't last more than a couple of years before they go bad. You know what mean? Like, it's planned obsolescence. Right? There But I guess, does it does it concern you?
• 37:14
  Because it certainly does for me that to think about it's like, okay, is the idea, though, to it's like, at Parler as an example. Right? So Parler comes out. Everyone's getting kicked off of Twitter. Everyone flees over into Parler and like, okay, we found our safety over here.
• 37:30
  And then all of sudden, Parler boom is done because Amazon kicks them off the servers. It's like now, I I think, like, was that intentional all along? Was it like, was it a way of it's gotten the it reminds me of the hundred flowers campaign, right, in China, where they invited all of the intellectuals that wanted to kind of criticize the government out, because they want to say, look, now have a safe space to talk. You can come and you can criticize the government openly, we'll take suggestions. And that was their way of drawing everybody out, and they end killing all those people.
• 38:01
  So that was their way of actually wiping out the class that had different thoughts about how to run the country. And so, you know, I'm not saying that that's gonna happen with, you know, Twitter, but that is one concern is if you look at the amount of technology and control that would be sitting in one person's hands, Right? We look at Mhmm. Okay. Well, this guy hypothetically now has the, you know, the the the Elon phone.
• 38:26
  He's got the the Tesla cars. He's got the Starlink. So maybe all the phones are running through Starlink. You know, he's got Twitter. You know, he's talked about his every his everything, his X app, where I think where he wants to make the kind of westernized version of what WeChat is in China, where WeChat, you know, you can order your car, you can pay for your bill.
• 38:45
  It's like combining every app into one thing. I mean, to me, it's it's like it's almost like it's it it could be a monopoly over technology that we've never seen before. And I think it it'd be putting all of our trust into, like, is this one guy who wears a Baphomet outfit, which may maybe he's trolling people. I don't know. Do know what mean?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I think he's trolling people. I mean, Trump was in the beast car at NASCAR. Remember that? And that was, like, a thing, and then everyone forgot about it. And now we all love Trump again or or supposed to.
• 39:15
  Right? But for, like, that one day, we all like, is he actually, like, a secret satanic antichrist? Right? Yeah. So yeah.
• 39:24
  And and it's I I think you've kinda hit it on, you know, the nail on the head. It feels like we're being sort of corralled. Like, look. Like, AI governorship and and fact checking is going mainstream. And we're all against it because they were fact checking their lies and saying that they were true.
• 39:45
  And now we've got fact checkers running on the Washington Post, New York Times, Biden calling out their lies as misinformation. Like, in all of a sudden, we're all like, oh, man. This is great. Can you then they were, like, telling texting our friends. Like, check out what the fact checkers just did to, like I
• 40:02
  Seth Holehouse: just got fact checked. It's
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Can you believe this? You got fact checked. And now all of a sudden, it's on our side, and we love it. And I feel Yeah.
• 40:11
  There's a little tiny, like, you know, voice in the back of my head that says, oh, this is all by design. And now we're starting to welcome the AI intervention as our liberators.
• 40:23
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: So you know, I I you know, we could live in a future every day where, you know, we drive a Tesla with a with a, you know, Tesla phone that connects to the, you know, to the the what's it called? The the Internet and the yeah. Starlink. Right? The the phone, the the car, your AirPods, they're all connected to this global Internet system.
• 40:48
  Seth Holehouse: Neuralink. It's like, you know, bring in Neuralink into this. It's like, where does this go?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Where is this gonna go? Right? So and then it's all on this one system that is that was pushed into the market by a Caesar like fellow who sort of, you know, defeated all of the bad guys, all the villains that we've got now. Right? Like the Klaus Schwab's, you know, the Bill Gates.
• 41:12
  You know, I feel that before this is done, there's gonna be, like, some sort of rug pull moment where the left gets the rug pulled out from underneath them and then all the people that are being antagonized right now, like, we're gonna get organized and we're gonna take them out and we're gonna be like, we defeated the bad guys, but actually we were it was all part of the plan. And and this wouldn't have been the first time that they that they've done this. One of the most disturbing things that I've discovered recently is that the flag that George Washington was flying was almost identical to the Rothschild East India Trading Company flag. It was a it was a variation of the of the Union Jack. And there's, like, one line that is different.
• 42:03
  It's got the same number of stripes and everything. And I'm sitting there looking at this, and I'm just like, they're almost exact like, how could people not notice this? But back then, there was a lot less information, and and they never talk about the first American flag. Like, the not the colonial flag, but the first flag that George Washington was flying in battle. And so I think that the exaggerated evilness of all these villains and all the lying of the media, Like, come on.
• 42:34
  Like, this regime is really powerful. They got all this money. They couldn't stop Elon Musk from buying the company. And look what Elon did to buy the company. He's like, I'm gonna buy the company.
• 42:44
  And then he's like, actually, there's too many bots. I don't wanna buy the company anymore. And Twitter's like, no. You gotta buy the company. And right in there, they sued him.
• 42:52
  Right? And everyone's like, okay. This isn't happening. It's a shit show. It's gonna end and maybe Twitter will collapse or something.
• 42:59
  But I think most of the people thought that the deal wasn't going through because of the bots. And it turned out that that was just, you know, possibly a SIOP. Right? Like, a misdirection. Get everyone to not pay attention to what's happening at Twitter and the fact that Twitter is about to be sold to Elon so that once it happens and they're a week away from the purchase going through, there's the machinery of control didn't have enough time to react.
• 43:28
  Right? They they had this thing where they're like, oh, we're gonna, like, put it under review, but, oh, too late. This the company was already sold, and now it's in Elon's hands. And now the regulators had to play an uphill battle against the person that owns the largest printing press, by the way, in America. Right?
• 43:44
  Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, now it just sort of happened really quickly, and it happened through deception. And I'm really happy for it because Twitter was a hot mess, and now it seems that things are getting a lot better.
• 43:57
  So, you know, I think we might be in a controlled opposition if we are. I certainly welcome things getting a lot better. I don't know if there's that whole satanic thing. I'm not really into that. I I just hope that Elon is is gonna, I don't know, destroy the evil lies of the cabal.
• 44:20
  Like, for lack of a better term. Right? Like, just to fact check them. It's gonna it's gonna be so much better if they can just fact check us and get us out of this war with Ukraine that's creeping in. Okay?
• 44:31
  Can we please fact check these these murderers and get us not into World War three? I'd like my freedom. I know if World War three comes, it's all over. It's game over. It's gonna be because if we get into World War three, it's going to evolve into a drone war.
• 44:47
  Right? Like Raytheon, these companies, they all want a drone war because, you know, when you're in a human war, there's only so much that the population can take. Like, if you're in a village and, like, you know, every family knows at least one person that's died in a war, like, they're gonna be like, screw this war. We need to end this war. But a drone war can be the never ending war that keeps us into a state of perpetual fighting.
• 45:16
  And that's kind of the scary thing because, like, once they turn those factories on to create all of these drones, like these Boston Dynamic drones, whatever, they're they're not gonna wanna shut those factories down. They're gonna need to come up for new ways to game the system so that they can keep on creating drones. Right? And so then maybe they're like, oh
• 45:38
  Seth Holehouse: the drones and and now we're looking at, like, Terminator situation.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Right. Right. Maybe there's, like, some sort of terror attack that happens at the school. Now they're like, oh, we need a drone a cop at every school. And by by the way, that's gonna come.
• 45:52
  Right? Because for whatever reason, these cops are standing down. They're not stopping these mass shootings. So it's like, why even have cops at the school if they're not gonna do anything? Well, obviously, the solution to that is that we need to have robot cops that don't care about their own lives.
• 46:07
  They're just gonna take out the guy. So, anyways, like, it's kind of a pessimistic view of the future. Unfortunately, every time I'm optimistic, I miss the big things. Like, I'm like, oh, we're gonna win back the twenty twenty two election. I'm like, no.
• 46:19
  Wrong. It's the pessimistic side that said, oh, they're going to, you know, rig it in these counties again and make it worse. And and now here we are. So it's kind of a pessimistic view. I get it.
• 46:28
  But the pessimistic side has been overwhelmingly accurate in the past. So I think that this is how they're going to, you know, bring in sort of like drones in every aspect of society. And it's a completely different life. And as Klaus Schwab said, the world that we used to know is over. We're never going back to that.
• 46:49
  And, really, what we need is we want to make sure that humanity still has a voice at the table. Like, this whole thing about every vote counts. Like, what happens if an AI votes? Right? Does that count?
• 47:01
  Like, obviously, we don't want to have robots voting. We don't wanna have robots impersonating people on Twitter, you know. And so I think that there's a lot of inherent contradictions that exist right now in social media and computer use because of this AI that's coming that we're going to need some sort of like and I hate to say this because people are gonna be like, oh, why is Zach saying this bad? Digital ID to prove that we're human in order to use all these services.
• 47:33
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Because if we don't, the intelligence services are going to intentionally break the Internet until we're forced to take the digital ID in order to alleviate the pain that they're causing.
• 47:46
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Which is interesting because it's like, you know, I'm I've gone through down all these rabbit holes and then exploring. It's like, okay, if this happens, that happens. I spent a lot of time thinking about how does this all play out. And what I get to is, I, you know, I just want to create a life that can be as far removed from technology as possible.
• 48:07
  And obviously, you know, my career is built on technology. Right? I'm not I'm not like, you know, printing, hand printing newspapers and distributing them in neighborhood to get this message out. Right? But, you know, beyond that, it's like, know, we recently dug a well.
• 48:22
  We just finished installing a wood burning fireplace or a wood stove instead of using a gas heater that's coming from the central grid. You know, we've got multiple generators and, you know, we're gardening. And, like, it's I'm kinda
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: like chickens. The what's that? Chickens? I'll start out thirty thirty thirty thirty five You got 30 chickens.
• 48:41
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. Yeah. Two roosters and a bunch of hens. Right? And maybe we're gonna get some sheep.
• 48:47
  Right? Because we've got some, you know, extra extra lamb we can put some sheep on. So, like, that's, you know, that's ultimately aside from just the belief that, like, okay, whenever the time is ready, you know, God's gonna, like, like, fix things on his timeline. Like, I don't know what that timeline is. Right?
• 49:01
  And so I'm just looking at it and saying, well, you know, if they're gonna be moving towards a digital ID, like they're talking about, you know, and and say a vaccine requirement to travel or whatever, I'm thinking, why better just build my community and my neighborhood, my family so resilient that I you know, like, yesterday, I drove thirty minutes into, like, the the middle of Amish country and down some dirt road and down some dirt lane and through some wooden gates and past some little house, this little kind of barn with a door in it to pick up my raw milk. Right? Because we get raw milk because, you know, it's it's for a lot of reasons. And so like that, like, that's where society is, is that where it's going back to? Because that's where I feel safest.
• 49:43
  Like, much and I agree. Like, look, I wanna be optimistic about Elon Musk and the changes that he's making and the fact that he's now, like, removing the ability to find child porn on Twitter. It's like, that's a good sign. Like, most of the elites I don't trust are doing the opposite. I mean, like, the the this recent shoe brand had that the they had a hidden message about child pornography in their advertising.
• 50:03
  It's like, you know, these people are sick. Right? So as much as I wanna be optimistic about what Elon's doing, and not removing that part of me that wants to think optimistically, because that's like my natural nature. I'm a really kind of rosy lens kind of guy. I'm also at the same time, you know, making sure I've got a lot of food stored, making sure that we've got, you know, ten years worth of seeds for growing our own vegetables.
• 50:27
  And, you know, I've got, you know, we've got like a worm farm. So we actually our compost goes into this thing called the hungry bin, which then like the worms eat the compost, and they produce this really good, extremely rich fertilizer. It's called like a worm tea. Right? So we're trying to do everything we can to get off of this system, because it's like, that's the only place for me I ultimately feel safe.
• 50:53
  And, you know, it's like, you know, so it's like, do I wanna be driving a Tesla with my my brain connected to it? It's like, no. I really don't wanna do that. Right?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Right. Mhmm. I know. And just hearing about how prepped you are makes me laugh nervously in San Francisco because because I'm I'm pretty screwed. The the the biggest thing is that I've got, like, a shotgun and a lot of coconut oil to last me if there's a a food that that's it.
• 51:21
  Right? And and a water filter.
• 51:22
  Seth Holehouse: So You're far ahead with that. Even the coconut oil, that's like a miracle. You use it for for wounds and everything. It's it's really good.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Right. And it's got lots of healthy calories. You know, like people when they would go on these ships, they would just take beef tallow and lard, and they would just eat that, you know, because it's it's dense. It's got a lot of calories. And best of all, you don't get hungry when you're eating fat, believe it or not.
• 51:46
  It's like the whole thing with keto. So Yeah. If something happens, then then I'll be set at least for a month so I can hopefully get out of the fallout zone or whatever happens in America. But but I'm glad that you're totally prepped. Are you, like, outside the the New York, Pennsylvania area?
• 52:02
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, yes. I'm in Ohio. I I lived in New York City for, like, fifteen years when I was working for the media there, and I've you know, got doing a few things in there. But, yeah, my wife and I, we moved back to Ohio a couple years ago. So we're on about five acres out in kinda Countryville.
• 52:16
  You know, we're on the edge of multiple Amish communities. And so we're we're pretty pretty okay from that perspective, thankfully.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Do they know how to get down? Oh, yeah. The Amish? Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:29
  Oh, they're great, actually.
• 52:29
  Seth Holehouse: It was it was wonderful. I was driving through in this area to pick up our raw milk, and I'm driving, and it's, like, 35 degrees out. And I passed this school, and there's, like, you know, 30 Amish kids just in like their regular clothes running around playing outside. Like, every house has all the clothes and the clotheslines. There's gardens everywhere or the remnants because it's, you know, heading into the winter.
• 52:51
  Every, know, there's cows and farmland everywhere. And it just, it was like, wow, this is, this is, they've got something. But on the flip side, I also saw five g towers everywhere, which is like, that's, that's kind of crazy. But, you know, I guess we can't escape that. But yeah, their way of life, there's a lot that we can learn from them.
• 53:08
  And I think that if all this stuff really does start to bubble up, like most of the indicators, you know, show that it will, I think that a lot of people might have to be making, you know, changes in the way that they live because it's kind of like I think there's only I I'd like to believe, as I mentioned, that we can get to a place where there's a good solution, like, you know, where it's Musk or whatever, that is a good solution that utilizes technology for the good of, you know, humankind and for freedom of speech and movement and, you know, sovereign rights, etc. But if we don't go forward, we have to go way backwards, you know, and that's what I'm kind of preparing for.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you ever thought about living on an island in a shack with Starlink Internet?
• 53:50
  Seth Holehouse: You know, not an island in a shack, but more like a cabin deep in the woods. Yeah.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what's interesting is that, you know, one of the common themes that I see is that a lot of the roads lead back to this communist the Chinese Communist Party.
• 54:09
  And Yeah. You know, there's a lot of talk about who really runs the role who's doing this. And, you know, I've gone through a lot of iterations, and now I'm starting to center on the fact that we are under an ideological subversion campaign by the CCP who may or may not be supported by the globalist? I haven't figured that out yet. Like, are the globalists in China, are they are they coming to a deal?
• 54:36
  Are they aligned with this? Or has the Chinese Communist Party used ideological subversion for the last forty years or actually sixty years to weaken the globalists to such an extent that at some point they're gonna use TikTok to try to get everyone to overthrow them. And what kinda pointed me into this direction that this is actually what might be happening is that there was this really interesting slide that was released by one of the Project Veritas whistleblowers. It was from the the HR department. Now James O'Keefe came to me with this document and said, look at this document.
• 55:18
  What do you think? And I looked at the PDF and I looked at the at the icon of Facebook because it was a Facebook document. And I compared it to another one, and I I said it looks fake because the f is off and they're using a different Pantone color and no one would ever do that, you know, within the company. But he came back. He's like, no.
• 55:38
  This is actually legitimate. Most people said they've noticed this on the server. Here's why this document is important. Okay? So so first off, the reason why it was off was because the person that wrote it obviously did not speak English as a first language.
• 55:58
  They were using words like frolic, you know, in in a weird way in a professional document. And I was like, this sounds like a lot of the ways that Chinese people would write English. You know, I've had experience with the Chinese. I've gone to China multiple times because I used to run a product company. And and I started to like look through the document.
• 56:17
  On page three of this document, they talked about where they should prioritize their diversity hire locations. And they said that what they needed to do is that they needed to focus on hiring from South Korea and China.
• 56:38
  Seth Holehouse: At Google?
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: No. This was at Facebook.
• 56:41
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, Facebook. Okay. They said they needed sorry. It was it was at Facebook. Yep.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Whites needed to stand down. They need to have more diverse opinions, and those diverse opinions needed to come from South Korea and China, which was mind blowing. And then it all came. It was like, oh, the document wasn't right. Oh, because it's a cheap Chinese knockoff.
• 57:01
  Right? There's some organization that was in Facebook, China sent this document. And then for some reason, the HR department within America was using this as some sort of guiding principle of how diversity was supposed to function. And I'm sitting here looking at this. I'm like, is this coming from the Chinese Communist Party?
• 57:24
  And have they infiltrated Facebook to such an extent that they can now backdoor policy cheap knockoff policy with broken English into the department and now they're using this as part of their rule setting agenda? And we need to have answers on that. I think there should be a congressional investigation into how this document ended up in Facebook because, you know, diversity means hiring a bunch of people from all over the world. It doesn't mean concentrating it on South Korea and China. Yeah.
• 57:55
  Those people aren't even that diverse. I'm alright. I take that back. Some may get angry. But, you know, you know, I I I think of diversity as more geographical locations
• 58:07
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, yeah.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Than just South Korea and China.
• 58:09
  Seth Holehouse: Two neighbors over in Asia.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so what I what I think is happening is that we're going through a process of awakening. And the reason why they might and this is the optimist of me saying this. I think that what might be happening is that Elon Musk uncrapifying Twitter may actually be instituting state policy because the the the people in control are realizing that this isn't just coming from a bunch of globalists. This is coming from Chinese fascism.
• 58:41
  We can call them the communist party. They're they're fascists. Okay? They they believe they've got this ideology that they that the Han Chinese are the chosen people and that China is the connection between Earth and the heavens.
• 58:56
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, yeah. Right?
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible stuff.
• 58:59
  Seth Holehouse: It's it's interesting that you bring that up because this is where this is where I spend a lot of my time. Like, is this exact thought process. Because everyone is like, you know, Klaus Schwab is the enemy. And, of course, he is. I'm not saying he's not.
• 59:13
  Yeah. But everyone points towards the European globalist, the Davos community, etcetera, as the enemies of mankind. But if I look at okay. If I look at a future where we live under technocracy, it's like, okay. Well, how would that operate?
• 59:30
  And if you look at it, it's like, well, who owns the largest five g network in the world? What's the Chinese? Yeah. You know, if you look at the Belt and Road Initiative, which is their version of the Western, you know, debt slave, you know, system where they can, you know, basically control countries, it's the Belt and Road is is China. Right?
• 59:49
  They've got this massive system of control over a large part of the world. And a lot of people think that the Belt and Road Initiative is about setting up like roads and outer belts and airports. And it's like actually, no, the main driver is technology. So they go in, they're going to African countries, and they're giving them they're building out five gs cell networks, and they're they're giving them really cheap, affordable cell phones that have really good cameras for facial recognition. So they're like, they're they're spreading their technocracy around the world.
• 1:00:21
  And if you look at, like, their social credit system, which they piloted in China, like, it's insane. Like, that's the nightmare system. You know I mean? Like, they've know, the the Davos Crews never never come close to what China has already accomplished, you know, even ten years ago when it comes to state surveillance and technocracy. And then if you look at then, you know, look at the pandemic and look at the control, like, if you trace it all back, it goes right back to Xi Jinping.
• 1:00:46
  You look at Tedros, who was put in charge of the WHO by the Chinese, who's a communist. He became the person that allowed that allowed Xi Jinping to dictate the lockdown ventilator policies. All the policies used in response to COVID were coming from Xi Jinping. You look at the fact that Klaus Schwab, you know, I think, you know, is it I forget one of the major I think it might be anyway, like, they're all so tied into China. Like, it's it's ridiculous.
• 1:01:14
  And they, in a lot of ways, like, they kowtow to the Chinese. You don't see the European Westerners. A lot of people are like, oh, well, you know, China and and communism in China was actually started by the Rothschilds, and it's like, you know, which, you know, a lot of ways, it was. It was actually,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: you know, Sassun family. Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  Seth Holehouse: And Mao got his start from the Yale in China program, which allowed Mao Zedong to get off his feet. Like, it was actually Yale funded the the beginnings of communism in China, which allowed Mao to have you do what he did. But it's like, look at the CCP as Frankenstein's monster. I really do. And I was interviewing Trevor Loudon recently, who's an expert on communism.
• 1:01:51
  And I was asking, what are what are his thoughts on this? Because everyone points towards the the globalist as the enemy. And he goes, look, He said, think about this way. A few things. One, who has all the weapons?
• 1:02:03
  It's China and Russia. I mean, that's where all the weapons that would be used against us reside. He goes, but two, he goes, if the if the world economic form collapsed, would we face any less threat of totalitarianism in the world? And he goes, no. Like, another one would pop right back up.
• 1:02:19
  He goes, if the CCP collapsed, our whole world would change overnight. Because because their control mechanism is so strong that their tentacles are so deep. You look at how compromised everyone is and look at the Biden crime family. Like, are are they they have ties to the build back better? Of course, they do.
• 1:02:38
  But if you look at the real ties, it's China. It's China. I agree wholeheartedly with you that I think that so much this leads back to the CCP. But what gives me optimism is that I because I, you know, I've got, know, from where I was, I was with the Epoch Times from 02/2008 to 2015, I have a lot of contacts that really understand China extremely well. And every bit of information that I have, you know, coming to me, I ask a lot of people, is that the CCP maybe has two or three years left.
• 1:03:11
  That's it. Like they are so close to collapsing. At their population. Look at their financial system. It's like you think the dollars over overprinted.
• 1:03:20
  It's like the like the yuan is this insanely it's just it's all hidden. So their entire financial system is on the verge of collapse. Their entire society is on the verge of this rioting and overthrowing the government. I mean, it's it's really, really bad there. And so I really believe that, you know, when the CCP falls, I think it's with the next couple of years, that we will see, like, a large swath of the evil that is around the world that's that's pushing forward all these evil agendas Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  Will see the collapse of all of these evil systems.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Now people also say that The United States is near collapse, and, you know, I I have trouble believing all this stuff because the the advent of insane technology that can sort of plug up any of these holes. Right? So do you think that The United States is next to financial collapse, or is that sort of, you know, misinformation?
• 1:04:15
  Seth Holehouse: So I I do believe that the dollar is in a very weak place, especially with the with the BRICS nations and everything that's kind of surrounding that. And I'm actually I mean, I'm gonna be interviewing Martin Armstrong within the next week or two. I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, but he's kind of like he's the guy that consults central banks. Right? Like, that's that's who like, he's the CIA put him in jail for almost, like, twelve years because he I'll give you a quick story.
• 1:04:41
  He's a genius. And when he was, like, a teenager back you know, he's probably in his fifties now. He was making millions of dollars buying and selling coins. He's been obsessed with coins. And what he realized is that in history, nations kind of rise and fall, and all the documents and and articles of history, a lot of them get destroyed, but the currencies never disappear.
• 1:05:01
  So he built algorithms based upon a database of, like, 6,000 years worth of currencies and coins, and this algorithm can literally predict the days that wars will start. Like, he's predicted wars with his algorithm because he goes based upon all the financial and everything. And so the CIA wanted that algorithm. He wouldn't give it to them, and they put it in prison for, like, over a decade. So in what he said recently, and what I I I kinda see happening too is he says the dollar will be the last to stand.
• 1:05:29
  That basically the like, there's a sovereign debt crisis with the European banks, all the central banks, and that they are on the verge of collapsing, and they will go first. You'll see the yen fall, the, you the euro, etcetera. But then you'll see the dollar, you know, follow after that. So he thinks that things will get really, really rough. But like almost every person I've talked to has said that as bad as it is in America, it'll be significantly worse in Europe.
• 1:05:56
  And so not that like makes me feel better, because I don't want anybody to be worse off. But it seems like there are a lot of aspects about America that really give us a lot of strength, our land, our ability to produce food, our climate, even even though they've attacked so much our our foundational values of America, you know, attacking the constitution and all that, like, there's a large part of the people in America that still would fall back on that as an ideology, as a belief system, if things crumble around us, that we do have these foundational values that a lot of countries don't have anymore. So I think that there are there's a lot about America that I think is actually very, very resilient. And though I do think that it will probably get pretty difficult, I don't think that America will turn into like Mad Max.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Right. You know? And if we can preserve free speech, you know, and basically the tenants of our constitution online and, you know, point out truth and point out lies, then, you know, that is the rock, the foundation of which you can build, you know, an open society. Right? Like, the CCP, it's a one party state.
• 1:07:07
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Right? There's not like two parties. They don't even give you a choice. Right? Do they even allow you to vote?
• 1:07:13
  I'm not entirely sure if they or yeah. Because it's like one party.
• 1:07:17
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. As far as I'm concerned, it's really it kind of like choosing the next leader comes at, like, the Politburo level. You know, like the the the the, like, politically, it's it's communist economically, it's very capitalist, but it's still, but it's actually fundamentally, it's more fascist. Like, that's really what it It's like, they'll allow you to be have your own company. You know, it's not it's not completely communist like we think where they own everything, and they give you a stipend for being, you know, like a universal basic income.
• 1:07:42
  You know, you can like, they've realized that, like, they tried that and didn't work under Mao. And so they've realized that bringing in more of a capitalist system will give them more power in the world, but they're only using it temporarily until they get enough power to then kind of Centralize everything.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The problem is that look. The reason why communism didn't work is because there's not enough processing power in our wet minds in order to figure out how to allocate all the different aspects of running an economy. Right? Like, you gotta push that to the edges.
• 1:08:18
  You gotta decentralize it and use these aggregated signals like price and price discovery. And and then, you know, by decentralizing it, you can actually have the computational resources necessary to run a very large economy. But that's all changing because of AI supercomputers, modern protocols that allow us to to take all this data and create these data lakes and process it and then, you know, execute that. Right? Like, think of something large and centralized like Uber.
• 1:08:54
  Right? Like, that's telling all these people where to go. Yeah. Right? Like, we could have never dreamed of having something like that without a very large bureaucracy, and usually, couldn't even call a taxi.
• 1:09:03
  It was impossible. Right? Yeah. And so what's really, you know, interesting going into this, you know, twenty first century is whether the use of AI is going to eventually free us or whether it's going to allow the true vision of communism to be ushered in. Yeah.
• 1:09:22
  And I hope I know which direction China's going, and I hope that we love our freedom enough in America to see through the hypnosis and and preserve our at least a semi open, you know, society going forward. Like, I think that some things are going to change. I think that we're gonna have to have, like, you know, tracking because look. Look. A mad scientist with a bioweapon will be able to come into America in the future and, like, you know, set it off and it's it's it's an existential threat.
• 1:09:55
  Right? Like, the the whole, like, freedom of moving around wherever you wanted, that's going to be reformed. But, hopefully, you know, with with with us pushing back, watching videos like yours, seeing the truth as it is and giving a different perspective, we can preserve the things that make America great. And if we do that, then I think that we've got a very great future ahead of us where the machines are used for the benefit of a common person, not some collection of oligarchs running a politburo. And that's really what my hope is.
• 1:10:36
  And the reason why that I fight is because I have that vision of society. And I think that Elon shares that where we we still have prosperity. You can still choose to live out, you know, on a farm and raise 30 chickens. Right? And if you don't wanna raise a family and you just wanna get, you know, do parties, whatever, then there's that too.
• 1:10:57
  You know, maybe we'll have a four hour work week. I think that's what's also coming. There's a lot to be optimistic about in the future. We just gotta solve this problem about this infiltration that's happening because of the CCP. And we gotta, you know, kick communists ass once again.
• 1:11:16
  We don't have to, like, kill them, like, drop them out helicopters. We just have to expose who they are and what they're doing That's
• 1:11:22
  Seth Holehouse: the key.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: And expose their lives. And we do it all peacefully, and then we'll just forget about it. It'll just be like, like an episode in American history like, the weather underground. Like, oh, they used to bomb us, like bomb all kinds of people, but, you know, now they collapse. And I think that that's what's gonna happen.
• 1:11:39
  You know, I think that communism is inherently unstable and will collapse on its own because they cut off the feedback mechanisms that a decentralized system has. Oh, this isn't working. You don't keep on doing it. In communist system, you double down because nothing is important as the ideology. Right?
• 1:12:01
  And that's the reason why bring it back to Elon Musk. I like what he's doing. I hope he's not controlled opposition. And I hope that what he's doing reverberates around the rest of the economy because our freedom depends on it.
• 1:12:16
  Seth Holehouse: I couldn't agree more. And I think ultimately, we can have our freedom if enough people value it, and enough people fight for it. And that's and that's again, that's why I do what I do is I want people to watch videos like this, share videos like this, because ultimately, I think as much as there's, we're a very divided nation, if all of us can realize that our enemy is the CCP, right, as one of the main enemies, obviously, the globalist, but it's like the person's arguing with you over some, you know, whether abortion's correct or not or whatever. If you say, look, the fact that you and I can argue over abortion, like this is America, you realize that if the CCP takes power, like they mandate abortion, they're gonna say you can only have one kid, they're gonna track you using their biometric technology to know that you're pregnant, and they're gonna come force an abortion. It's happening in China as we speak.
• 1:13:07
  If more people can realize that, it's like, oh, wow. Like, so you're actually fighting to save me from communism. You're not fighting against the left. You're actually trying to help preserve America from a communist overthrow where we're gonna all be living in gulags. And actually, the reality is is under communism, it's all of the, quote, unquote, liberal people that get killed first.
• 1:13:31
  Yes. All the gays, the blacks, the the homosexuals, they're the ones that get lined up against the wall. And I'm being judgmental. Like, that's how it always works in a communist system. Like, they're the first ones to go.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: It's like And the reason why they're the first one to go is because they need them in order to destabilize society. But once they've overthrown it and they're in control, they no longer need that destabilizing force. And those liberals, once they see what true communism is gonna bring, they will be the most vocal opponents. So to head that off, they line them against the wall, and they shoot them before they're awake to what's really going on.
• 1:14:06
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. And that's why a lot of people, they say, look, you know, look at at Russia or China, for instance. They don't allow homosexuality. They don't, you know, they're they're very moral and traditional. And it's like not it's like not because they're, like, very, you know, kind of like of high moral value.
• 1:14:24
  It's because they understand that these things destabilize a society. And the reason why we have them so rampant in America is because they understand these things deep destabilize the society, and they have infiltrated our society and brought us these things that would destabilize our society. So yeah, like, once they get here, those are the first people to go. Actually, like, they they would value the conservative farmers more than most people in a in a in a country because they say, look, you have hard work, you've got structure, you know, you can do what you're told. All the Antifa, all the BLM people, man, like, they've got like, if if communism took root in our country, it would be the rudest awakening for them.
• 1:15:01
  And with the day they would look at people like you and I and say, you were trying to save me from this all
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: along. Yeah.
• 1:15:10
  Seth Holehouse: It's like, I hope we never get to that day. I don't think that we will. But I hope to God that we never get to a day like that.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Amen.
• 1:15:20
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. So and well, Zach, man, it's been so great having you here. This conversation evolved, there's nothing greater than I could have imagined. So I just I thank you for being here and for sharing your thoughts and for doing what you're doing.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: Thank you for being open and allowed me to sort of like play around there with sort of like what's coming. So, You know, it's exciting times. It's both a blessing and a curse, and we are living in it. And I couldn't imagine living in any other time period but what's going on right now.
• 1:15:50
  Seth Holehouse: So Yeah. I agree completely. So, Zach, where can people find you? I I didn't ask you that. I apologize.
• 1:15:56
  But I know, like, you've got a lot of products you're working on. Yeah. Where do you wanna point people to to find you and to learn more about what you're doing?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Right. So if you wanna see all the Google leaks, I put them all up on my website, ZachVoorhees.com. You can see how the sausage is made. I also have a news aggregator site, but I like your channel. I don't want you to get banned.
• 1:16:17
  So if you wanna see my if you wanna see my best news for the Internet twenty four seven, go to my Twitter.com/perpetualmaniac. You'll see the pinned tweet right up there. Facebook has already labeled it sort of like spam and they put on the naughty list, so I can't even share it outside of Twitter. And YouTube's got a similar policy. So just go to my Twitter.com/perpetualmaniac and see the first video right there and come to us because it's literally the best place for news on the Internet twenty four seven.
• 1:16:50
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• 1:17:08
  Seth Holehouse: Actually, I'll I'll I'll risk myself to say it's go to the website blast and put a little period and then write video. So blast period video is is Zach's website. We have a lot of audio listeners who won't be able to see me doing that right there on the on the screen.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Not .com. It's blast.video.
• 1:17:27
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Yep. Alright. Well, Zach, it's it's been a pleasure, man. Thank you for having me and want to do this again and maybe dive into discussion about the CCP and and their technocracy and how technology plays into that because that's where that's where I think the very important discussion is right now.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely. Great. Well, thank you for having me on your show, Seth.
• 1:17:48
  Seth Holehouse: Of course, man. Take care. It's good to see you.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Alright. Likewise. Bye.
• 1:17:52
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