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#563 The Real Cost Of Endless War · The Arterburn Radio Transmission Podcast

• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: Got so used to like bringing the show in with America Unplugged I put the America Unplugged logo up.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if you know.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_03: Did you catch that actually?
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I did.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_04: I thought almost to say that at the last minute, but I was like, well, I know you can see it.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_03: I can see it.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_03: I just it's habit.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_03: And we are on the America Unplugged channel over on Rumble, ladies and gentlemen.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_03: This is um a little bit different format today.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_03: For all of you catching the show live or listening to the podcast, um, we are using the first eight minutes of the show to do a little bit of a market breakdown.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: And the reason I'm doing that is because uh I've got a new contract for terrestrial radio, and it's 52 minutes.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_03: But I didn't want to cut the show down, so I figure out I'm just gonna run eight minutes at the beginning of the show, starting today, and we're testing it out, Ashley and myself.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: And uh she was gracious enough to wing it with me.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: We'll figure it out.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_03: But eight minutes is the market update for gold, silver, and bitcoin, pretty much anything monetary that's going on in the world.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_03: I'll cover that.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, maybe some highlights from what I talked about with uh David Knight over on his show.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: And then we start the radio show.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_03: We'll go into all the stuff that you know, the big macro stuff and parapolitics and precious metals, all that cool stuff with Ashley for the last 52 minutes.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_03: So uh Ash, thanks for being here.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_03: I appreciate you.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um you had some highlights, I think some of the, or maybe they're low lights, depending on depending on how you look at it.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_03: You've got uh Kit Co pulled up, you've got a couple other articles, and I wanted to give spot prices and talk about metals today.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: What's going on with you?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: What do you got?
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so we were chatting before the show.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: We've got a handful of things to talk about.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_04: Want to get your insight on that, and uh definitely talk about some of the things that you had spoken with uh Dave and Knight about this morning.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_04: And all of these things as we talk about them, you know, week after week, this slowly boiling pot that we find ourselves in, and this very intricately woven tapestry where the financial side meets the geopolitical side, meets the effects for us as regular people and how um how we live our lives.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_04: And then, of course, as we talk about, we have this inherent desire to predict and to try to foresee a little bit of what's coming down the pipe.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_04: So we've talked a little bit about that, and we're gonna try to weave all that together today.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, well, there's there's a lot that's coalescing in the the realm of geopolitics and uh the monetary order worldwide.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we've been, and we'll be getting this to in part of the uh the radio portion of the show.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_03: We'll definitely get into the preparedness aspect and stuff that's being pushed and how much of that is a psyop, I I don't know.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_03: It's hard to tell which what's real or what's fake anymore.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's the whole point of having the show is trying to dissect it and put me on the put me on the spot to see if I can spot a fake, which I I generally can.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_03: I think I've gotten uh a little bit better at that over the years.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um so you know, uh worldwide big picture stuff.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, I looked at spot prices.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: I I brought this up to to David Knipe because we get lost in the uh minutiae and get pretty myopic on what's going on with with like prices as far as metals or gold, silver, Bitcoin, because we expect, you know, oh gosh, you know, you're getting all this inflation data and it's the worst it's ever been.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_03: So, Tony, why is um why is gold not at its all-time high if inflation's at its all-time high?
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: If it's the inflation's the worst it's ever been, which it is, and by the way, it's kind of the worst it's ever been.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_03: Every like every day is another day where it's gonna be worse.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of like office space.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, is today the worst day of your life?
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_04: You know, he says this this is the quote, Tony.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_04: He says, Every day that you're seeing me, you're seeing me on the worst day of my life.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: Good reference, good deep reference.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_03: So is today the worst day?
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: He goes, Oh, that's messed up.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's what inflation is, folks.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's the it's the worst day of its life every day because you can never get to get better, okay?
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't, it's not like one day you're like, wow, the things are so much better.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_03: I I finally have a stable fiat currency.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't work that way.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_03: But what you do see is volatility.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm gonna give everybody an example.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_03: I think this is a good snapshot of, and I'm I'll try to do this quickly.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: And this is this is cool for eight minutes.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_03: Eight minutes is not a very long time.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_03: If you look at the prices where we were exactly two years ago today, and I brought this up on David Knight's show, so the gold price was$2,721 an ounce, and the silver price was$33.73 an ounce.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: This is right before the election of Trump's second term, his second um Trump administration.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: And you gotta remember, so uh$27.21 on gold,$33.73 on silver.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: Today we're at$4,020 on gold, and silver is at$52.45, just under that 1980 all-time high of$52.50.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_03: Massively on sale, but two years ago, you see the difference.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's why the fundamentals are still the same, folks.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we're not watching the thesis of why value and scarcity matter over infinite printing and infinite debt.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: That that that thesis is still correct.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's just that now you've got uh all this other stuff that's happening in the background that wasn't happening even then, which is the Iran war, this war of choice, you've got uh, which is probably gonna ramp up sometime after this um this election process next week.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_03: Uh hopefully not, but I think that's what we're we're looking at.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: And so uh that's caused the the expansion of the money supply because of the prices of energy has expanded and cost everybody, everybody, you know, as far as down the ladder and uh down the spectrum so much more.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, at the grocery store, at the pump, it causes inflation.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: And then you have the Fed is like, hey, we're gonna raise rates, which they did.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: Warsh was brought into lower rates, uh, but he didn't.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um so this is we're in a strange place.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and I think it's showing up here in places like the prices of gold and silver, and I'll talk a little bit more about that uh later in the show, and the price of Bitcoin.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um but the thesis still holds.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_03: So that's my market breakdown for uh the show.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_03: We're uh uh 30 seconds out.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: Let me put this up real quick, Ash.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_03: Let me fix this.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna uh put this up on the screen so we have the intro built in.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: I think we're just gonna make it too.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna be right on the mark.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_03: All right, we got like ten seconds.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna uh play the intro.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_03: Start the show.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: You ready?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: Veteran of three foreign wars, entrepreneur and the warrior poet, Tony Aderburn takes on the issues facing our country, civilization, and planet.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: This is the Aardburn radio transmission.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I've forgotten that one.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, cool.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: I forgot how you did that version.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_03: I did the unsolved mysteries uh metal version.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_03: You've never heard this, Ashley.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_03: You you weren't listening to art at that time.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_03: You might have still been in in junior high.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_04: No, we could talk about that off the air, but I have not heard that, but I do remember watching Unsolved Mysteries, and that is one of the scariest pieces of music that you can hear as a child.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_03: By the way, I unintentionally put that low that intro on.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_03: I I went into my uh Gmail and I looked at her art intros, and I just pulled one, and that one just happened to be ran.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_03: That was one I had we were running in 2020.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_03: So that's a six-year-old um intro, which was very appropriate.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: We took that um uh air siren of, you know, the air raid siren that it's kind of like uh Bill Cooper had on uh on his show, The Hour of the Time.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I just fused that with uh with the unsolved mystery stuff.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, it's it's appropriate, I think, for some of the topics we'll get into today.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: We're we're being primed for something.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think we can soberly uh look at everything across the board and try to figure out what we're being primed for.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_03: We can discuss that today, and it's the you know part of the mind warfare that's going on.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_03: But uh it is the 29th of October, 2026, ladies and gentlemen.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_03: This is the official broadcast of the apocalypse.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: I am your host, Tony Arderburn.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's the Arterburn Radio Transmission, and I have uh my co-host, Ashley from Think, Change, and Repeat and numerous other podcasts and podcast appearances, uh, a rising star, already a star, but a a star rising nonetheless, and uh she's here, and uh, we're appreciative of having her brain to help us navigate um all of this insane stuff.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: But uh I wanted to tell my radio listeners, now that you're you're getting the radio show, uh, if you listen to the podcast, there's eight minutes that you're missing.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's like there's an there's a that is an eight-minute gap.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of like the Watergate tapes.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, there's an eight-minute gap.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: You have to go back and listen to the podcast.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, find me on uh podcast channels, Artiburn Radio Transmission or Paratrouther.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we do a little bit of a market update.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I'm changing formats a little bit, but um always happy to have everybody here.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: And we are uh we are live out on WWCR Worldwide Christian Radio as well.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh but Ashley, um glad you're here.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: What what do you have?
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: I know you always have something that I can have as a jumping off point for me, but what are some of your intel that you're seeing that uh you wanted to discuss here on the transmission?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, well, first of all, thank you so much for having me.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_04: As you know, I greatly appreciate it.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_04: I always like, I mean, if you ask me to do the show, I I am so grateful.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: But it's a lot of fun when I get to ride shotgun with you.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: So I really appreciate that.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: And thank you for the uh lovely introduction as well.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, we've got a few things to talk about.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: So I think what we may kick off with uh is some of the stuff that we talked about before we went into the show, which is the it's this is tying in the financial piece with the war piece.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_04: So I have an article out of antiwar.com, and this is that the Pentagon estimates that the US has spent over$47 billion on the Iran war, but the true cost is much higher.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_04: And one of the reasons for the true cost being much higher, of course, is going to be, and they mentioned this in the article, the damage to the military bases in the Middle East that has taken place.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_04: So that's not even being included.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_04: And then we have a lot of other uh costs, I would think, as far as the ships that have been uh destroyed, the tankers, the insurance, like all of this stuff that's factoring into that.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_04: So this is only a tiny piece.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: And of course, what makes it all the more galling is the fact that this was an unbelievably unnecessary war to take place.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_04: And so, you know, we've gotten different stories, but supposedly it was under the guise of the threat of Iran having a nuclear weapon and then this whole nonsense from Marco Rubio, or some people call him Narco Rubio because of his uh his uh drug smuggling connections.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_04: But he was basically saying, well, it was a preemptive attack because they were gonna attack uh Israel, and then Israel's gonna attack them back, and then they were gonna attack Israel again.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_04: So it's so much nonsense.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_04: And this is one of the things that we've talked about as well, Tony, is like the mind games that these people play.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_04: So there is a psychological element.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_04: Are people writing these releases for them?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_04: Probably.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_04: Are they working to do like uh, you know, I've kind of been obsessed with this neurolinguistic programming and this hypnosis by words.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: So, how is that affecting us?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_04: What does this even mean?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_04: But just from a strictly financial perspective, it's devastating.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_04: And on the episode that you did with uh Sam Tripoli Tenfoil hat not long ago, you talked about the exponential rate at which we are adding to our national debt.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_04: And based on that, and I was hoping you would go over those numbers for us, based on that, I don't really think we can afford$47 billion or more on an unnecessary war.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_04: What do you think, Tony?
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think that$47 billion is just a drop in the bucket to the actual cost of this war.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if you add up um some some of the the non-tangibles or things that are perhaps in the ether that you can't quite measure, which is uh global standing, was how much is that worth?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, the credibility, uh trust in our own financial system, um, the true cost of inflation, which we haven't really seen that burn through yet.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it right now you've got the elevated uh record high diesel prices, all related to this war, and of course, you know, even related to other wars that are going on that that uh we're funding, which is the war in Ukraine and Zelensky's obsession with you know hitting Russian oil refineries and drones and just trying to get Armageddon, trying to get Armageddon.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they just really need it.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but that's the the whole point of of looking at this numbers-wise, is I don't think that you can actually measure it.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and here's an interesting part about you know, you mentioned something I think is uh really astute, which is um the cost, like what is the true cost of like losing our bases?
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_03: You know, what what does that uh entail?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: And then do you understand, and I think you do, um, but the audience may not, that that was one of Israel's goals.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if you let Tucker Carlson told that to uh President Trump before this war kicked off.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: He'd laid out the reasons that uh Israel wanted us out of the region.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_03: They wanted to use us as a cat's paw first, you know, let us go ahead and do the strikes and all this stuff, like in in conjunction with them.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: But their greater goals, which is either greater Israel or just to have, you know, destabilization in the region.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_03: That is their foreign policy.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's and that's in self-interest, by the way.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not just saying that, like it's not off the cuff, like destabilization, like them destabilizing Syria or destabilizing Iraq or destabilizing Iran, like these are ways that they ensure their own survival or their ability to uh conduct and um you know display power in the region and project power.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: So um our the losses of our bases were actually uh a goal.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: And again, I'm this is me quoting Tucker Carlson's quote to the president.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm I'm not this isn't something I'm just pulling out of my hat.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um so the the true cost is probably not measurable, but you're right, it's it's it's a war that didn't have to be fought.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: But now that we're in like these some of the metrics are are insane.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like we're at 1.25 trillion a year just to service the interest on our so-called debt.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_03: Not that I really believe in the debt.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's kind of like um how many angels can dance on the head of a pen, like the old medieval you know, thing to like quantify something that you can't quantify.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's like how much fake do you need to pay off the fake?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_03: I get at some level it's just ridiculous.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but those are the numbers, and that's the way that the world economy is based off of those numbers.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: So let's you're built a system on it, and that's the reason why, even though this is a it's a small number, 47 billion compared to 1.2 trillion, whatever it is to service the interest alone on the debt, and we add another trillion dollars every 90 days or so.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's like the numbers are unsustainable to run the debt, but if you look at the rest of the world, it's even worse.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, we're like the valedictorian of summer school at this, like we're the best of the worst, you know.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like we we have I got that joke from Dennis Miller 30 years ago, whatever it was.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's been I remember watching that was in the 90s.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: I thought that was a funny joke.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: But we're kind of the best of the worst, right?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, and and we've we've had that privilege of being the world's reserve currency, but the debt of the world is systemic, and that's where you get um terms, the float idea of uh the great reset.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: Where you get the Klaus Schwabian World Economic Forum stuff where like we, you know, they're they're giving you this idea, they're planting the seed in your mind for that, because the whole system itself will require such.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's not it's not me that that came to that conclusion.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I think it's like it's I think that's pretty much apparent because you just run out, like it it has to be reset.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you run out of options, you can't just print your way out.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: We can do it for a while.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: I think we still got a ways to go.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I'm not one of these doomers that thinks like, you know, there's good gold's gonna be 60 million dollars an hour, whatever these people come up with these crazy price predictions for gold and silver.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then it's happening, it's imminent.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_03: And if you'll just click the link, if you'll just join my newsletter, whatever.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: I never get into that doomer stuff.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: But I do think that we live in an unsustainable system.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I'm glad that you brought this up.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, the cost, it's funny, today is the anniversary of the Wall Street crash of 29, I believe.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: Wasn't it October 29th, 1929?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: Or maybe wasn't it right on that?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: I I think I'm right about it.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_04: I think you're right about that as well.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: I bought a ring the other day that was 18 karat, and somebody had inscribed on it that it was it was it was uh today's date of 1929.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: Like they had just made this platinum, I think it was no, it was 18 karat gold.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: It was a white gold.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: And uh they inscribed it was it was from 1929.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: Crazy and it's stuff that you find in a gold and silver business.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: But I guess they were in for a shock later when they delivered the ring, you know, like what hey, how what's going on with the news?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: Anything happened?
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: And then all those stockbrokers jumping out of windows.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: So um, which I think we might see again, um, depending on how bad the the bubble is.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, we we live in an age, uh, and I'm glad again, probably you brought this up.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I don't like to harp too much on the war.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_03: Loveantiwar.com.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a supporter of their website.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh just for full disclosure, I like to donate to anti-war because we get into these situations actually where we have unnecessary wars, our foreign policy is not built to protect the United States of America.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we're definitely haven't built you know security coalitions like our ancestors would have built.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this isn't um if you look at you know the our ability to to promote uh peace or to promote you know some sort of uh realpolitik, what if you want to use that term, or interlinkage, like that's out the window.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's we have become like it's a very schizophrenic, unfortunately.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: And um these um, you know, the the cost and the the war here that's um that's going on, it's catastrophic.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: And we're about to see, if you want to see if there's any validity in our elections anymore, you're about to see, not that I'm taking part of it, ladies and gentlemen, but I think uh here next week, uh, and this will be a good segue for to to get your opinion.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: I think we're about to see an epic historical uh shift in the electoral power of the United States.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think that's how bad it is.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it's worse than a lot of the the pundits.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: And and I and I say this from somebody, and I could be wrong.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: I I have the almost the exact same feeling as as 2016.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_03: I predicted that Trump would win in the last two weeks of the election, and you can go back on my Twitter and look.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, there's no other predictions on my Twitter in the entire feed, but I did know that he was going to win, and I just I didn't I just knew it.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: And I um every major polling house, every pundit, it was like 99%, and all over the place.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: I have a similar feeling now about the loss of the Republican Party and what's going to happen in places like Texas where I'm from.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I have a pretty good idea of what Texas electoral politics.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_03: Even though I've tuned out a great deal because it bores me now, because it's so stupid.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: But I think just like put my you know finger in the wind.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like I like there's something happening.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: People are very dissatisfied.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: Either that or they're just done, and there's apathy.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: And they're like, I'm not gonna, you know.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's like me.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'd love to vote in this election.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me what I'm voting for.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like, who am I?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: What's my choice here in Texas?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: I get an Israeli first or uh or a you know, neocon guy, or I get um, yeah, I don't I don't know what is the other guy.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I don't mean it's like I'm not it's somebody that wants a state income tax.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, what is wrong with you people?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: Like, we can we not have like, can there not be a choice here?
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like, am I just saddled with either we're gonna get endless war and bloated budgets and corruption and and all the like ice and all this stuff, or I get you know sanctioned open borders.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_03: I still get the war, but now I have to pay higher taxes.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I just I can actually.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_03: What's what's your thoughts on the election?
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well, there's a lot, there's a lot here.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_04: But what I will say is, first of all, you yes, and we talked about this a little bit last week, and you're predicting this.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I mean, not only I think it underplays it a bit to say like the blue wave, because I think that you're right that we're getting we're in this trans transitional kind of period that things are about to get really weird, and maybe that is all of the other factors that we're taking into consideration here.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_04: But I I agree with you that it feels like change is coming, and I think that is going to be one of the ways to facilitate that, which is the blue wave.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: Now, I am curious if this will have any effect whatsoever on the war in Iran.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think that it will because war was never officially declared to begin with.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_04: They congressional approval was not sought and was not received, and here we still are.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_04: So I agree with you.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, I don't, I would hope that people would actually care if there is a blue wave, that something would be done in order to stop this.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: But unfortunately, it seems like a lot of the power players in the Democratic Party are just also Zionists.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_04: So we don't have people at the top who are willing to recognize that a lot of the, you know, a lot of the rhetoric or a lot of the sentiment coming from particularly young people, they do not like what they're seeing in Gaza and in Palestine.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_04: However, you know, I think that this may be a moment where they become very disillusioned.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_04: If they believe that their voting is actually going to affect the the way that the the top of the top goes for the Democratic Party, then this is going to be their first lesson in that.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um to see a terrible lesson, isn't it?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's a terrible I like to give it you.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: But that's what happened.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, folks.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and uh don't think for a second, like I believe, like the Democratic Party's just been handed this weapon, which is like, hey, the Republican Party and then under the leadership of Trump chose this war, and we didn't have to have it.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: And it's it's causing the economy to falter, and of course, people are just paying higher prices, and uh not only at the pump, but at the grocery store and everywhere else.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_03: And it's it's very unfortunate um that they have this weapon and they you're gonna yield, they're gonna wield it, but they are not gonna actually do anything to stop it.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's not um they the anti-war left is more elusive than Bigfoot.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's more like legitimate sightings of Bigfoot um and the Loch Ness monster than there is the anti-war left.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: The anti-war left doesn't really exist.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they used to.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: I I mean you can see them like dancing in the mud in the 60s like the flower kids.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like peace, dude.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that those people existed, uh, but they grew up, you know, and they became Nancy Pelosi's and you know, like they just became like structured establishment people, and uh, you know, the go go 80s.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, I um who was it?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'll have to George Carlin had a great bit on this about what the that generation grew up into.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: And uh I'll have to play it sometime.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: But he, you know, uh they're gone uh as far as like in the ether, like that movement doesn't exist anymore.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I I agree with you there.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um they will be disillusioned, and um and I think the entire political process, I mean, is disillusioning people.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: My point about all of this is that uh I think this just what will win the day and be so historic is the people that don't take part.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_04: The people that aren't yeah, and I'm looking forward to discussing this with you after we have the uh benefit of hindsight because I'm I'm gonna be curious to how this all plays out, but I do feel bad for young kids who are idealistic, and I don't think that's a negative thing.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_04: I do not think it's bad for these kids to want to make a difference for them to believe in the process.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_04: I think that they're going to learn that they care about what's happening in Palestine, and that is not going to be listened to, unfortunately.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_04: That's my prediction.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the other thing that I wanted to bring up, Tony, is that when we're talking about the weakening of the Middle East, particularly these US bases, that was a goal for Israel.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_04: One of the things recently, so Professor John Meersheimer has recently developed his own YouTube channel and he kind of puts out these tutorials.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_04: Basically, it's it's wonderful.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's like listening to a free lecture basically at a university.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and he has been answering audience questions or member questions.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_04: One of them was like, Is Israel okay with the rest of the Middle East burning?
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_04: Now, personally, I think yes, and I think it seems like that.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I think the evidence is there.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_04: His his argument is that actually they're not.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_04: They want them to be weakened and dependent on the United States, such as Jordan and Egypt, but that they don't want all out just destruction of the Middle East.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_04: But I maybe I should become a member so I can say, well, Professor Mirschimer, what about the fact that Saudi Arabia is burning?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_04: We have everything that was allowed between Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: We have the this huge push, this rally that Ansar Allah or um the Houthis are currently making.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_04: Then they are routing Saudi Arabia right now.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_04: And then we also have the fact that not only has Syria been destroyed, Libya has been destroyed, Lebanon is currently being bombed, particularly South Lebanon.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_04: And then we had the giant explosion uh maybe around 2020 in Beirut.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so doesn't that present evidence to counter that argument that yes, the Middle East is burning and they seem totally fine with that?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_04: And then never mind what is happening with this kind of standoff in Iran.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: And I think, I mean, from what I have heard, and again, I am not an expert, you know I'm not an expert, and I never claim to be.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just trying to learn and pay attention.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_04: But one of the things that they talk about in regards to Iran is their um their structural or geographical advantage that they have.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_04: So it's like a stone bowl, a country with 90 plus million people that has been preparing for this very type of thing for decades now.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: And so actually, unless you chose to do uh a ground invasion, and according to one of the most popular podcasting spooks out there, Larry Ellison, wait, not Larry Ellison, Larry Johnson, who was on uh Judge Napolitano all the time.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_04: And by the way, I like Larry, I love Judge Napolitano.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm just saying, though, I always, if I'm listening to a former CIA analyst, I try to take that with a grain of salt.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_04: But he's saying if you wanted to do a ground invasion, then you need to send in a three to one ratio.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think these things are possible.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: So I think that even if Israel would like the goal of destruction for Iran because they're the only remaining threat in the Middle East, that I don't know how that is actually going to transpire.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_04: Because they've talked about the fact that uh generally bombing them into oblivion is actually not the way that you win a war.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_04: Having hubris is definitely not, and we know that from Vietnam, right?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_04: We have, well, we have helicopters, we have planes, we have bombs.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_04: Guess what?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_04: Didn't matter because you had people that knew the terrain, they were well connected, and they had rifles and and a fighting spirit.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_04: So that did not go the way that they supposedly planned it to go.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so I don't know.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_04: What are your thoughts on all that, Tony?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_04: Because I think this is this is a really weird, strange situation, and there's so many factors that I think it's difficult to to kind of keep them all in your mind at the same time or as far as the possibilities go.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_04: But I feel like Israel, it even if they got the the weakened and destroyed military bases and a weakened Saudi Arabia, I would think that they need some allies there through the United States.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: And maybe the United States' loyalty is such that they could do anything, treat us any kind of way, and you're still gonna have the Zionist contingent that is running the show.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_04: What do you think?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's a lot.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think it's interesting.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: You go back to something that Netanyahu said after the um the election, or so right around the same time.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: He's like uh comparing and saying that Hamas is worse than ISIS.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: And um, and I thought, well, that's interesting because you funded both.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's really interesting, right?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_03: Not only Hamas, like clearly like straight out in the open, but you know, along with people like Ladybug Lindsey Graham um and John McCain.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you didn't know about Ladybug?
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_04: You know about Oh, I know about Ladybug.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_04: I'm wondering if the audience knows about Ladybug, but we we won't give you details here.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_04: But don't look it up.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: A bloodthirsty human being uh that uh that was Liz and thirsty for other things, I assume.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but he uh I got you laughing.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: But he, you know, they they had the the Toyota pickups and ISIS, and uh, you know, that was uh uh in part by the Israeli government and uh uh in Syria.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: The the reason why is because of what I just said earlier, which is the whole point of the dominate the region is is to destabilize.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, Assad was a stable leader, somebody that, you know, we had matter of fact, I I I was friends with uh a man that when uh who was you know uh uh connected to the to that regime in some way, like his father was, and like they remember uh like meeting with with Rich Richard Nixon, like would come over, you know, like and it was like uh I'd met this guy and we talked for hours about uh you know the the connections that he had, his family was Syrian.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, we we had that was a Cold War ally, and we just and you mean even as late as like 2011, I think John Kerry visiting and the Saad regime, but it was put on the docket and we had to follow Israel's orders that that it needed to be destabilized and we needed to have uh because there were you know maybe having too much economic progress.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: I you know it's funny, I talked to an oil wildcat or guy, a real one, like, and um he'd been around the block uh so many times in the internationally and owned oil rights all over the world, but uh he told me, he said, you know who owns those oil pipelines in Syria about the time that the Syrian war was really hot, and people like Lindsey Graham were wanting us to go in and you know put 200,000 troops on the ground.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_03: I remember his like Lindsey Graham saying this in like the uh the 2013, 14 era, and he's like, We just got to get hundreds of thousands of troops over there, they're gonna kill us all.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: You know, like he's like, we got to get into Syria.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, that's so it's so bizarre.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: But if at that time, um the I had this Wildcat or this oil driller, he goes, You know who owns those pipelines?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_03: The CIA.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: He goes, I and I know for a fact they do.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_03: They don't have to do shell companies, and that's who owns the uh the actual oil rights.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, you throw that in there and you throw in the the need for Israel to have a destabilization across the Middle East, and then the Iraq war starts to make sense, you know, like a lot more sense than the WMD.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: And um, and there's always the neocon experiment.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: You you have the it's the fusion of a lot of bad ideas plus evil.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I mean that like sincerely, like if you look at like somebody like Sean Hannity, who uh Pat you know Pat Buchanan was on his show and and uh years ago, and it's so I listening to that interchange because you have Pat Buchanan who's one of the smartest men to ever like being commentating and be one of the smartest men ever.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_03: And then you have uh head to head with Sean Hannity, one of the most like arrogant, dumbest guys ever, like really confident on his own stupidity, and never right about anything, just never write.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_03: Can you imagine that?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like your whole life being rewarded for never being right?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like, how does that work?
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I mean, I'm right a a good amount of time, but I'm not rewarded for it.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, but I mean, I'm I'm on this show.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_03: This is my show.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: If you know, people by the time reality catches up and I've been proven right, it does like everybody kind of shrugs and like, yeah, that gets but it but he gets to be rewarded for stuff that he's totally wrong on, like and gets elevated and they hoist him up on their shoulders.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Sean, you were so wrong, and we love you for it.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: And he's wrong.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: He was so wrong about Iran and about foreign policy and about Iraq and about the conservative movement, everything, everything he's wrong on.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_03: But you take that and you fuse it with um self-interest on behalf of a of a nation state like Israel.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, and look, I didn't want anyone to spend the show talking about that too much.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: We get off on these these you know subject matters, but nobody else talks about it really.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, not like we do.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, because you either come in with a with a slant that's like self-serving.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm doing a foreign policy, like I want to unpack like why are we there?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: Where do we go from here?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_03: And um I think it's a fusion of really bad ideas mixed with stupidity, mixed with a little bit of evil.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, agreed.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so I think that was um that was a good conversation on that and food for thought.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_04: You know, if people have thoughts, like let us know because I think we're in such a crazy time.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_04: But are you ready to move on to the next?
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I'm ready.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_04: So the next up, this is from military.com.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_04: This is the Pentagon announces it has spent almost all one big, beautiful bill funding.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_04: So this says the record high execution rate demonstrates our unwavering commitment to rebuilding our military, a Pentagon official said.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_04: And of course, I find this galling because this has been, if you've been listening to everything that the the political commentators or like in the independent space have been talking about, maybe even mainstream, they continue to talk about how we have very little standoff munitions left to even protect ourselves.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_04: So what are you even talking about?
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_04: This also coincides, excuse me, with a huge number of people that were legacy military higher ups that are either resigning or getting fired.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_04: And this so there seems to be a huge amount of change.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: And whether or not that is because people are actually pushing back because not everyone agrees with the Zionist agenda, and that makes sense to me.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_04: Or if they are just fed up with unlimited war for, you know, if they believe that it's on behalf of Israel, I don't know.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it goes on to say the Pentagon has announced that it spent all of the one big beautiful bill act money almost that went into effect last year.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_04: On July 4th, Trump signed the OBBA into law, funding different government departments across the country.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_04: In terms of the Pentagon, the funding disrupted the National Defense Authorization Act process, acting as a multi-year funding mechanism to supercharge defense capabilities.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_04: Now, I will ask you, Tony, do you feel like our defense capabilities have been in fact supercharged?
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that funny how that works?
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um it kind of goes back to uh the the the maxim, and I believe it was um Lord Acton that said this, but uh it was basically the the mark of a of a great nation is to be able to fight a great war, and how you remain a great nation is by not fighting one.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and we've been on a war footing.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it's something that Eisenhower talked about in his farewell speech in 1961 uh about the military-industrial complex in January 1961.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, if you listen to the entire speech, you know, this is somebody who lived his life, uh, is devoted to that as a soldier, as a general, as an officer and D-Day, and uh head of NATO and all the things that he had done with his life, and then finally president.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: And um he was leaving, I think, a warning for everybody uh that had still had a mind and a soul, like, hey, you don't want this to become the operating system uh of our government and what we are about.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_03: And unfortunately, it's one of the reasons John F.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: Kennedy was killed, uh, you know, deep-stated, wherever you want to put it.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_03: Like the forces that wanted him out uh took him out because he was uh somebody that uh stood uh in the breach for peace and wanted to uh have some commonality with you know our our so-called enemies and uh try to try to avoid war.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we live in an age too where uh you know Einstein was asked this like what what weapons will be used to fight World War III?
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_03: And he said, I don't know, but if if they are if it's ever fought, then World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones because there'll be nothing left.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: And we we have a responsibility, that's why I get so angry at all this stuff.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's it doesn't come from a lot of places that you know, other commentators like, you know, I don't I don't have a dog in the fight, I don't want one side to lose or win or whatever.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_03: I I'm more of the why are we doing that?
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_03: You know, when you're getting so close to uh the fail-safe where you could lose uh human civilization at this point.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_03: Like we have a solemn responsibility.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's one of the they willy-nilly play with the the the defense department and make it the war department, although they didn't.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's all LARPing, which is should make you infuriated, ladies and gentlemen.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: They're just LARPing you.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_03: It never changed.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_03: Congress never changed the name.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_03: They just changed it to sound it's egoistic.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and the reason that it was changed in the first place is because we dropped two atomic bombs.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: We'd unleashed the power of the sun.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_03: And and Harry Truman, uh, who dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, August 6th and August 9th, 1945, he felt that it was sowing the whirlwind.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: And he wanted to try to put the genie back in the bottle.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's what that was about.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's why he renamed the War Department, the Defense Department.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's why he changed the logo of the presidency, where the eagle faces towards the olive branch and not the arrows.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: He was trying to signal that we wanted to be a different kind of power because we had harnessed that power.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: And for a while, by the way, we were the only people that had it.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_03: It took our spies and people that are inside our networks, and like the Rosenbergs and others, you know, to give it to the Soviet Union.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's why Stalin, when uh Truman told Stalin that we're about to drop something on um Japan, a new weapon, Stalin knew exactly what it was when he told him at Potsdam.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was Potsdam in 1945, at the end of the war in Europe.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, we have a solemn responsibility, and these idiots are tanking it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I can't stand this Pete Heggs stuff and uh, you know, just the dishonorable part of the warrior class where you, you know, you're gunning people down, like the video collateral murder and stuff like that.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_03: We saw coming out of Iraq when I was there.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: I wasn't at that site, but I know that video.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: If you look at stuff like that, and you look at the way that we did uh these Venezuelan supposed drug gang boats, whatever, you know, gunning people in the water, you know, like stuff like that.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, karmically, you know, just doing the right thing.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's like when we had the the highway of death in the first Gulf War, and uh and Colin Powell stopped it.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like he actually gave the order to halt, like they were just lighting up these Iraqi convoys and like stuff was like melted together.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they were just like just killing them.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: There was they had no way of actually fighting back, and we were.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: And he had him stop, you know.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: He's like it he used the word, and I remember my dad telling me this.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_03: We talked, this is gosh, this is 30 showing my age.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_03: I was a kid, I was like 11.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_03: And my dad's like I used the term chivalrous, it wasn't chivalrous, which you get that term from the medieval knights.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I guess at the end of the day, I'm just looking at all this stuff like what kind of psychopath puts us instead of us interlinking economies and building new businesses and infrastructure and creating wealth and prosperity and modernizing our money.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I say modernizing our money by using, we have the technology to make things cost less, folks.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know that?
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know that we could make things cost less at the grocery store?
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have to deal with inflation.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_03: Inflation is, you know, John Maynard Keynes said that gold was a barbarous relic.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: Fiat currency is a barbarous relic.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_03: Talk about barbary.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: You don't get these catastrophic wars with a gold standard, folks.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_03: They they fought World War I when they went off the standard.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: They had to go off the standard to have these bankers' wars.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: So you don't have all these wars, you don't have all this corruption, you don't have inflation if you have real monetary stability.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, these people are never going to give you that.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_03: So we, you know, until you fix that, you don't really fix the political system.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it's the first cause.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: The causation is the corruption and the money, and it creates all this other stuff.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, which, you know, if you want to make me mad, just start telling me about the defense department and uh what they've done over there and what they are doing and uh the the bloated waste of we spend seven times on our defense budget.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_03: I think it isn't like seven times uh uh the next eight countries combined or something like that.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_04: Something crazy.
• 45:49
  unknown: Yeah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and the other thing, too, that is very galling is when we hear about the the conditions on the USS Abraham Lincoln or what was transpiring on, I believe it was the USS Gerald Ford.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_04: So one of those was considered to, or at least speculated, to have some mutiny, a little bit of uh rebellion kind of happening with the dryer fires.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_04: That was the Gerald Ford Ford.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_04: And then we had people because of the extended length of deployment for the crew on the USS Abraham Lincoln that people were trying to jump over.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_04: And if they didn't die, they were at least going to be discharged from the ship.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_04: And we hear about um, and there's there's debate about that.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we have the official talking points from uh uh Pete Heggset that said that's not true.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_04: Their food doesn't look like gruel, the but we were getting pictures.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe the pictures were fake.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what their what does their Wi-Fi even look like to get pictures out like that.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm just saying we have kind of this thread of uh this idea about how poorly our service members are being treated in all the while talking about this incredible spending to bolster the military.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_04: And then, of course, the like what you were talking about, the human cost, the human toll of never-ending war, dating back, you know, decades and decades and decades.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_04: Now, on uh moving on from that, but still topical, particularly regarding the nuclear bombs that were dropped.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_04: This is another article from the military or from military.com.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_04: And it says US and Japan agree to establish a Japanese facility for joint missile production.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_04: Now, I find this kind of interesting because Japan has, I don't want to say they've been neutral, but they've kind of been seen as sort of neutral, even if they didn't have the declar declaration of neutrality.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_04: And we have this kind of interesting setup where we had the um, I think it was the USS George Washington that left the Pacific and was headed towards the Middle East to relieve the USS Abraham Lincoln.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_04: We have already talked about this several weeks ago, Tony, that that kind of left the Pacific unprotected for the first time in a decade or two.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_04: And now we have them bringing Japan back into the fold.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_04: And let me just read you a couple of uh blips here and get your thoughts.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_04: So they've excuse me, agreed to establish this facility for joint production of advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_04: And um they made the announcement in a news conference Wednesday night in the central Philippine province of Kebu.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_04: I apologize for my pronunciation, where he met the U.S.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_04: Defense Secretary, Pete Hexeth, on the sidelines of an annual meeting of Southeast Asian defense chiefs and their major Asian and Western counterparts.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_04: Now, the way that this is being set up, so uh Kozumi raised concerns Thursday about China's increasing naval activity in southwestern Japan.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_04: So all of these kind of little puzzle pieces, I think, are very, very interesting.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_04: And we've always had this underlying current of China is bad, China is bad, even though we know, and you talked about this, I think, today, uh, about the special trade relationship.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_04: It was definitely today, um, the the special trading status that China was given.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_04: We know that Xi Jinping has American contacts.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_04: We know that he was involved in the Ivy League here.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_04: So these things are very evident, but they continue to make China sound like the bad guy.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_04: And now this new uh defense production is being set up once again in the name of well, China's making us nervous.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_04: What are your thoughts about that, Tony?
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's a mixed bag.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, in 1949, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds uh help Mao Sei Tung take mainland China from Changhai Shek, and that's where you get uh the flea to Formosa, which is Taiwan, and Chianghai Shek.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's the whole per that's the the start of the two Chinas, you know.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like you you hear the one China policy.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_03: But we had um our well, our financials, our our financiers, our banksters, uh, and our industrialists supported the communists.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's they just always do.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_03: They support Bolshevism.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: And it's funny because if you just side note, like the young people that are out there, like, we got to tax the rich and eat the rich, and the leftists, and I'm like, you know that the rich fund like the real communism, right?
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_03: Just so just so we're clear, right?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_03: You do you do know that, right?
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like all your heroes are funded by banksters, just so we're clear.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, yeah, I digress.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_03: You get into the the weeds on that stuff, and that's the lit we live in the upside down.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: But China, um, you know, we opened China in '72.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_03: They had nuclear weapons in 1964, uh, a lot of disputes with the old Soviet Union and and old territories and bordering lands that they had that the the Tsars, the Russian Tsars had had conquered, you know.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so they have a uh had some antagonism in the early uh 70s, late 60s, and we exploited that and you know, opened up their markets to us.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: And um, if you look at the movie Red Dawn, you know, where we have uh the Soviet Union and uh other entities invading the the US, but China's on our side, if you remember the movie, like that was the the Cold War reality, like you know, early 1980s is that we had uh a great relationship with communist China.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and it was kind of weird to people that communism wasn't this monolithic, you know, international bloc the way that we it was sold to us to be, or the way that we thought it was.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_03: But China's just the wild card.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, they have the social credit score, the the technocrats certainly love China, Zygnu Brzezinski, the Trilateral Commission, I mean the CFR, like uh the Council on Foreign Relations, like all these entities, they love China.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_03: And like um, you know, even like leaders like Trudeau in Canada is like we we uh their basic dictatorship allows them to do a lot, you know.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_03: We're just they're very efficient and getting rid of people.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, get clarifying that's whatever he was.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's just that's my best Castro son uh impression.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_04: But I I'm here for it.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's pretty good.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's pretty good.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um that it's just uh a lower, you gotta you gotta take your testosterone down under a hundred and then you get there.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but China's it, you know, they have the you know the bodies exposition that floats around the US where the you get to see like the human body like dissect in different ways.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, that they had I think 60 Minutes did a thing on this where a bunch of those bodies were like Chinese dissidents that were just executed, like people I did not know.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_04: I didn't know that.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like maybe I've heard something about that before, but I never went into it, totally forgot about it until you said something.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_03: Just like my point on all this is is that China uh has self-interest and they've been given so much, like we built them.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_03: You have to understand, like on purpose, a lot of our wealth was transferred to China for their system because they have they don't have multiculturalism in China.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's one party, one rule, one race, one but basically one thing, you know.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's I mean, there's some different dialects and you know stuff in the Cantonese versus like a Mandarin.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I you get different stuff, and I'm not an expert on it, but it's more monolithic.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_03: And uh technocrats love that, you know, cookie cutter, same, totalitarian, and so they support it.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like China, you know, if you're them and they're and we're just giving you like, hey, here's all of our trade.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like, we're not even gonna try anymore.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_03: You guys have high tariffs, we'll have low tariffs.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_03: Cool, we won't even be able to compete with you.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_03: Take it.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what, like 90 days after 9-11, that's what we did.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_03: We had uh George W.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_03: Bush 90 days after 9-11.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_03: We gave China uh the world's uh most favored nation's trading status after they got into the WTO, the World Trade Organization.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_03: We did that.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_03: That was came from the Bush administration.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_03: So so much was given to China.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm with you.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_03: I think um, you know, it'll be used as a boogeyman.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, Japan was used as a boogeyman in the 80s in a similar way, when really what we needed to do was refine the way that we do business.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't mean we have to go to war.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't mean we have to have antagonism.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_03: They're gonna build their military, we should build ours.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_03: They're gonna have, they're gonna try to expand through the Belt and Road Initiative.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_03: We should try something similar.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_03: Quit bombing people, get out of the Middle East, get out.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, just completely detached from that.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_03: Like if a sober, real, uh heart, like thinking country, like we used to have leaders that would do that.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_03: We would be, we're so Middle Eastern focused because of Israel.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like we have there's no interest there of ours.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's 24% of the world's oil output.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: Just buy the oil.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_03: But we keep messing it up because we're trying to do regime change and whatever.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you know, what what did we care really if Saddam Hussein is is retaliating against Kuwait for slant drilling into his country?
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_03: You know, ever seen the the movie There Will Be Blood when at the end he tells them, I drink your milkshake, you know, and and I'm gonna get your straws across the room.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's what Kuwait was doing to Iraq.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, Saddam got the green light from us to invade, and he did, you know, and knocked them.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's all stuff that Churchill drew up on a map, folks.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's all fake.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like, just buy oil from who I don't care.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: And people are like, um, because I do support, I'm anti-war.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want like state-sponsored war.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_03: We don't have to have them.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_03: Most human beings don't want to just go off and kill each other, okay?
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_03: That's usually organized by a psychopath.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_03: Like you gotta get, you gotta, in order to find war now, like you have to try for it.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like people just would like to make money, I think, at this point.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like, we'd like to have economies that are functioning and clean up the garbage and like all the stuff that we all the third world stuff that you know, so much um ecological damage that we've done.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I think it would be there would be some great projects to do.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_03: So you have to like really try to find a reason to just to go to war for something.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_03: I I I really think that.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's just all made up, um, especially in an age of nuclear weapons.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like, who invades a country that has nuclear weapons?
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_03: Nobody.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's and it you know, I'll I'll end with this.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't know how it's funny.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_03: I started so far differently.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_03: We started about China, but we go back to the whole thing about the reason that we have to stop Iran is because if they get a bomb, then somehow they'll become a suicide nation.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_03: I've heard this my whole life, I guess my whole adult life.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, uh, here's the thought they could already do that.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_03: They don't need a bomb to do that.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_03: Are you kidding me?
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_03: And like it's just so dick, it's ridiculous.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, and the whole thing with China, boogeyman stuff, like you know, uh give me a break.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, China didn't lock me down in 2020, they didn't destroy my supply chain.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the the China hasn't eroded my constitution, it hasn't eroded the Bill of Rights.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's been done by the two-party system, that's been done by the oligarchs who rule over the United States.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: That hasn't been done by China.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_03: China's not my enemy.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_03: The people that take away my liberties are my enemy.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: The people that send me off to war without a valid reason are my enemy.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_03: I know who my enemy is.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't, none of them have Chinese names.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_04: Very well said, very well said.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_04: And it is a really interesting dynamic with China because obviously there's a huge amount of cooperation, as you have just laid out for us.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_04: And then also there was this, it was very interesting to me, the fact that of like when certain countries were considered to be the the boogeyman.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_04: So we had the Vietnam War, as you know, you know, many, many, many years-long war, and supposedly to stop the domino of communism.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_04: And yet there was cooperation with China.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_04: China wasn't really that involved in the conflict with Vietnam in the Vietnamese war.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_03: And um, industrialists, the Rockefellers, um exactly.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_03: They had their own landing strips in the Soviet Union.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of the equipment and things that that were built through their subsidiaries, and a lot of that equipment ended up in the hands of the North Vietnamese and was used to kill American soldiers.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_04: And the other thing is that, you know, uh, as far as like these breakneck dynamics, this was obviously the United States was allied with uh with the USSR during World War II.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_04: And then just like that, it changed.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_04: So these things, these people, these countries can become um, you know, an enemy for years and years and years, and then all of a sudden, one day we're cool with them, somebody else is the new boogeyman.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_04: But I think for quite a while now, we've kind of had China's the boogeyman and Russia is the boogeyman.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_04: Iran definitely falls within that.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_04: But what we have seen through this conflict with them, in my opinion, is the sunrise of Iran.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_04: So before that, they were considered a boogeyman, but they were not considered a world superpower.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_04: Now, because of their control over the Strait of Hormuz and because their, you know, uh geographic benefit, I suppose they are in some situations being referred to as a superpower.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_04: We have created a superpower.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_04: So I find that to be very, very interesting.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_03: Always astute analysis.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Ashley, tell people where they can find you.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_03: You got about uh 20 seconds.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, you can find me at Leak Tree Think Change Repeat.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_04: So that is all of my shows, my ThinkChange Repeat, and fool me twice and ways to get in touch with me and socials and all that good stuff.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, Tony.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_03: Appreciate you.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_03: I wish I had more time to close out, but folks, uh Tony.gold, wise wolf, gold, and silver.
• 59:41
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• 59:44
  SPEAKER_03: Take care of each other.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_03: End of transmission.