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- 0:12Speaker 1: Great morning to you. It is Chuck Bowlin Ashley Ryan
- 0:16Speaker 1: with a wonderful poofball hat that she's wearing here today
- 0:20Speaker 1: indeed indoors.
- 0:22Speaker 2: Yeah, because my head got cold.
- 0:23Speaker 3: Yeah, I had it on when I left the house,
- 0:26Speaker 3: and then I got warm in the car, so I
- 0:28Speaker 3: took it off, and then I knew I'd get cold
- 0:30Speaker 3: again sitting here, because that's what happens in this ice box.
- 0:33Speaker 1: It is a really nice hat. But out of the
- 0:36Speaker 1: corner of my eye, I thought that Ashley had bandaged
- 0:39Speaker 1: her head.
- 0:40Speaker 2: Thought I'd probably run into a wall.
- 0:42Speaker 1: Like in the cartoons where they immediately they hit the
- 0:45Speaker 1: wall and then they've got a bandage on.
- 0:46Speaker 2: Their ads, all wrapped up.
- 0:48Speaker 1: I'm like, what happened? You were just in here talking
- 0:51Speaker 1: to me, and then by the time you got back
- 0:52Speaker 1: in there, you fell went to the nurse's office. Huh,
- 0:55Speaker 1: you got a bandage head and then you were Did
- 0:57Speaker 1: I miss some time?
- 0:58Speaker 2: And like our medical staff is excellent here.
- 1:01Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we lack a lot of areas here in iHeartRadio.
- 1:05Speaker 2: But no hr medical staff though.
- 1:09Speaker 1: They will swaddle your head with the will no question
- 1:12Speaker 1: about it. All right, nine o'clock hour, man, we've had
- 1:14Speaker 1: a lot on the Philip Rivers today thanks to Kerr Warner,
- 1:17Speaker 1: thanks to Hugh Mellon, thanks to Greg Bell, and Mike
- 1:20Speaker 1: Sander is going to join us a nine point thirty
- 1:21Speaker 1: to talk more about that as well. But there's another
- 1:23Speaker 1: big story going on out there, one that's kind of
- 1:27Speaker 1: shook the foundation of college football once again. For the
- 1:31Speaker 1: actual information, Sharon Moore, the head coach at Michigan who
- 1:36Speaker 1: took over for Jim Harbaugh following the National Championship game. Well,
- 1:40Speaker 1: he was there for two years and he won't be
- 1:43Speaker 1: there any longer. Yesterday he was fired. It was a surprise,
- 1:48Speaker 1: and it was with Haus. I almost even felt at
- 1:50Speaker 1: the time like Michigan feels two years into this that
- 1:54Speaker 1: maybe Ohio State's getting too big of a lead over them,
- 1:58Speaker 1: and they're like, we need to get one of these
- 1:59Speaker 1: big guy now. And then they kind of concocted some
- 2:03Speaker 1: story to try to get Sharon Moore out so they
- 2:06Speaker 1: didn't have to pay him. But no, there's substantive reason
- 2:11Speaker 1: for why they let him go. We don't know all
- 2:14Speaker 1: the details, and I'm not going to go as far
- 2:16Speaker 1: as speculating, but what we do know is an inappropriate
- 2:20Speaker 1: relationship with a staff member and that led to his dismissal.
- 2:26Speaker 1: And then Sharon went home to a wife that had
- 2:30Speaker 1: heard the rumors, and there was a domestic situation that
- 2:35Speaker 1: took place, and before the night came to a close,
- 2:37Speaker 1: Sharon Moore had committed not just breaking and entering, but
- 2:43Speaker 1: also aggravated assault charge as well. So he went to
- 2:48Speaker 1: someone's house. People are reading into it as maybe the
- 2:51Speaker 1: person that snitched on.
- 2:53Speaker 3: Him, Yeah, I've heard that, or the person who he
- 2:55Speaker 3: was having the relationship. Maybe maybe one or the other.
- 2:58Speaker 3: Maybe that is the case as well.
- 3:00Speaker 1: But nonetheless, he ended up after getting firing, being arrested
- 3:05Speaker 1: and is still in custody. So obviously some pretty serious charges.
- 3:10Speaker 1: Somebody as famous as Sharon Moore with that kind of
- 3:12Speaker 1: money usually is out of jail by now, but their
- 3:16Speaker 1: charges are serious enough that he is still in custody
- 3:20Speaker 1: right now. So I think that probably ends the portion
- 3:23Speaker 1: of speculation that we need to do because it is
- 3:27Speaker 1: affecting us here in Washington, and one hell of a
- 3:32Speaker 1: twist man. Immediately, the names that have come up, and
- 3:37Speaker 1: I thought when I first heard the names that they
- 3:39Speaker 1: were part of a long list. You know, this is
- 3:43Speaker 1: one of the most coveted jobs in football, certainly in
- 3:45Speaker 1: college football, and so I knew that the speculation immediately
- 3:49Speaker 1: would kick in and the story would come a lot
- 3:52Speaker 1: more about even though that's a fantastic story, people are
- 3:55Speaker 1: going to be a lot more concerned about who's going
- 3:57Speaker 1: to replace Sharon more than the future of char own more.
- 4:01Speaker 1: And so I thought initially what I was hearing when
- 4:06Speaker 1: both Kaylan de Boor and Jedfish were being listed was
- 4:11Speaker 1: they were part of a large list.
- 4:12Speaker 3: Yeah, these would be great possibilities, like five or six.
- 4:17Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe ken to twelve, Yeah, not one to two,
- 4:21Speaker 1: not the entire list.
- 4:23Speaker 2: Yeah, that list sucks.
- 4:24Speaker 1: Because by the time I woke up this morning, it
- 4:27Speaker 1: was only Kaylan de Boor and Jedfish and also Mentor,
- 4:31Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator there at Michigan. Young guy with a
- 4:34Speaker 1: really bright future. But really, the speculation is that there's
- 4:38Speaker 1: no way that the Jim Harbaugh era is continuing at Michigan.
- 4:42Speaker 1: This is now the second scandal that has been involved
- 4:46Speaker 1: with Sharon Moore, and so they believe they want new blood,
- 4:49Speaker 1: and not just any old new blood. They're going to
- 4:53Speaker 1: want a huge name in college football because they are
- 4:56Speaker 1: losing ground to their rival, Ohio State and others here
- 4:59Speaker 1: the life a couple of years. So that said, I
- 5:03Speaker 1: wake up this morning to who's going to be the
- 5:06Speaker 1: next Michigan head coach? Kaylin de Boor or Jedfish. You've
- 5:10Speaker 1: got to be kidding.
- 5:11Speaker 2: Me, And that's it.
- 5:12Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was listening on the way in
- 5:14Speaker 3: and there was a guy from Detroit talking and he said, well,
- 5:18Speaker 3: de Boor, you know, it's he's not a good fit
- 5:20Speaker 3: at Alabama and he'd be better, but he wants to
- 5:22Speaker 3: go back to the Midwest.
- 5:23Speaker 2: And he was sounding like.
- 5:25Speaker 3: Someone who really, you know, is aware that Debor might
- 5:27Speaker 3: not be happy or I mean, he doesn't look happy.
- 5:30Speaker 2: He looks happier, but not happy.
- 5:33Speaker 1: He doesn't look like he doesn't look like he looked here.
- 5:35Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And and then the other one was or
- 5:38Speaker 3: but Jedfish and then they can just raid Washington's program.
- 5:41Speaker 2: I was like, come on now, man, and.
- 5:43Speaker 1: That's what will happen.
- 5:44Speaker 2: And that's what sucks about college football these days.
- 5:46Speaker 3: It's like it's already hard enough to be a college
- 5:49Speaker 3: football fan of a team that really there's no loyalty
- 5:52Speaker 3: anymore because you can't get attached to a player you
- 5:54Speaker 3: can't get attached to a coach. But if every couple years,
- 5:58Speaker 3: you're just having to start all all over. And I
- 6:01Speaker 3: understand nowadays with all the NYE all money, it can
- 6:03Speaker 3: happen fast, but I don't know. It's just my love
- 6:06Speaker 3: for college football is has been declining in the last
- 6:10Speaker 3: couple of years, and if this happens again, it's gonna I've.
- 6:14Speaker 1: Heard that a lot from people, and I understand why.
- 6:19Speaker 1: I mean, number one, you liked college football, and we've
- 6:22Speaker 1: gone through such massive changes that that already was shaking
- 6:27Speaker 1: you at your core. I mean, we're not even in
- 6:28Speaker 1: the conference we use you. College kids are getting paid money.
- 6:33Speaker 1: That's that's unfamiliar. Bowl games are going the way of
- 6:36Speaker 1: the dinosaur at this point. So there are a lot
- 6:40Speaker 1: of things that people loved about college football, the purity
- 6:44Speaker 1: of the sport, all of those things that they talked
- 6:46Speaker 1: themselves into. But it was the foundation for lifetimes of
- 6:53Speaker 1: fandom of the college football product. And and you know,
- 6:59Speaker 1: and I have spent a lifetime loving college football. And
- 7:03Speaker 1: now we also have had these ripple effects of things
- 7:07Speaker 1: that we didn't see coming, Like, okay, we've managed the nil.
- 7:12Speaker 1: Turns out it wasn't as bad as what we thought,
- 7:15Speaker 1: or at least that's the mode we're in right now.
- 7:17Speaker 1: Who knows how it twists and turns. We managed the
- 7:21Speaker 1: bowl games, this college tournament pretty cool and it is
- 7:24Speaker 1: adding quite a bit to the daily conversation during the
- 7:29Speaker 1: college football season. But there have been other things that
- 7:32Speaker 1: were unforeseen, and you know, the transfer portals turned in
- 7:37Speaker 1: a little bit to free agency, which people can moan
- 7:41Speaker 1: about it, and yet it is any attention is good attention.
- 7:44Speaker 1: You always heard that in marketing class.
- 7:46Speaker 2: That's what they say.
- 7:47Speaker 1: The product's flying high. Yeah, the interest is flying high.
- 7:51Speaker 1: So even though I'm hearing more and more people say
- 7:53Speaker 1: that they're that is this is all testing their college
- 7:57Speaker 1: football fandom, apparently it's gaining a lot more fans that
- 8:02Speaker 1: were just casual fans. Well because the drama, the players shuffle,
- 8:07Speaker 1: the coach shuffle, the going from bowl games to a
- 8:11Speaker 1: tournament shuffle has brought in a lot of eyeballs and
- 8:15Speaker 1: it not only has not affected the product. The product
- 8:18Speaker 1: seems to be better than ever. Doesn't mean that it's sustainable,
- 8:21Speaker 1: because it does seem I'm with all the people that
- 8:24Speaker 1: are soured and turned off a little bit right now.
- 8:26Speaker 1: I understand it's chaos right now. And whenever you have chaos, Yeah,
- 8:32Speaker 1: it might feel good for a while, meal may feel
- 8:34Speaker 1: like it's working for a while, but if you don't
- 8:36Speaker 1: get that under control, it could crash and burn.
- 8:40Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's I think that's the biggest problem is
- 8:42Speaker 3: that it's you're getting all these casual fans, like you
- 8:46Speaker 3: said so, but at the expense of I think the
- 8:49Speaker 3: loyal fans, the ones who have felt that allegiance with
- 8:52Speaker 3: the school for decades and have been asked for money,
- 8:55Speaker 3: you know, and have been paying for seat up grades
- 8:58Speaker 3: and getting you know, you get asked, oh, make this
- 9:02Speaker 3: just speaking for Washington, you make a taiee donation.
- 9:04Speaker 2: Now maybe you get a better seat.
- 9:05Speaker 3: And you've been doing this for years and years and
- 9:07Speaker 3: years and years, and then the product itself, the loyalty
- 9:11Speaker 3: to the program that you felt is gone. So you're
- 9:14Speaker 3: just kind of I think it's turning more people into
- 9:18Speaker 3: the casual football fan, whereas like, yeah, I'll tune in
- 9:21Speaker 3: on a Saturday to watch the big games in the
- 9:23Speaker 3: big matchups, but as far as Husky football, I mean,
- 9:27Speaker 3: I have season tickets right now. I went to two
- 9:29Speaker 3: games this year and part of that is because of
- 9:31Speaker 3: a schedule.
- 9:33Speaker 2: So but what am I gonna do.
- 9:34Speaker 3: Am I gonna keep paying for games where I'm and
- 9:37Speaker 3: supporting the program that doesn't feel the same when I
- 9:40Speaker 3: can only go to two games because of the schedule,
- 9:43Speaker 3: like and not the football schedule.
- 9:45Speaker 2: I'm saying, like life schedule.
- 9:46Speaker 3: Yes, and so no, probably not, because why would I
- 9:50Speaker 3: keep giving money to something that's.
- 9:51Speaker 1: When your interest and love for it is waning?
- 9:55Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I'm in this place now where I'm like, well,
- 9:57Speaker 3: do I want to give them that money again?
- 10:00Speaker 2: Or do I just want to maybe say, Okay, you
- 10:02Speaker 2: know what.
- 10:02Speaker 3: Maybe I'll go to an away game, or maybe I'll
- 10:04Speaker 3: pick one game and just spend some money on one
- 10:07Speaker 3: game ticket versus a whole season.
- 10:09Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think that a lot of these things
- 10:13Speaker 1: are great for college football. I think that we are
- 10:15Speaker 1: heading in the right direction. And I think even the
- 10:18Speaker 1: Dieard fan, even the cam Cleveland who misses bowl games,
- 10:22Speaker 1: once we get the playoff set and maybe we can
- 10:26Speaker 1: figure out a new way to play bowl games than
- 10:28Speaker 1: what we have had in the past. I think we
- 10:31Speaker 1: need to move on from the idea of you know, oh,
- 10:34Speaker 1: it's great to see these seniors all playing one last
- 10:38Speaker 1: game together. What are you talking about? You know, they're
- 10:40Speaker 1: like two of them that have been here all four years.
- 10:43Speaker 1: We don't need to hold on to that. Yeah, So,
- 10:46Speaker 1: but I do think that there's a way to hold
- 10:49Speaker 1: on to the Bowl feel, even though it won't look
- 10:52Speaker 1: anything like it used to, and the college football tournament
- 10:56Speaker 1: as we start hiring out some of these wrinkles. I
- 10:59Speaker 1: think that college I think follow. I think you'll follow
- 11:01Speaker 1: that road. I think maybe you even get used to
- 11:04Speaker 1: transfer portal and going from oh, we lost everybody at once,
- 11:09Speaker 1: but we got a lot of new guys coming in.
- 11:10Speaker 1: That's kind of like free agency, and everybody loves free
- 11:14Speaker 1: agency and professional sports. So I think that even though
- 11:16Speaker 1: you might not think you like it now, I think
- 11:18Speaker 1: you could stay on board with it. Where where your
- 11:21Speaker 1: point to me is loud and clear is the coaching changes,
- 11:27Speaker 1: and then that and how it affects the transfer portal.
- 11:31Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 11:32Speaker 2: No, I agree.
- 11:32Speaker 3: That is especially to if we go through it again
- 11:35Speaker 3: and again. This isn't Jetfish coming out and saying he's
- 11:37Speaker 3: gonna leave or anything like that. This is no fault
- 11:38Speaker 3: of Jetfish right now, other than his past history shows
- 11:42Speaker 3: that he's moved around a bunch.
- 11:43Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to be involved in these in these rumors.
- 11:45Speaker 1: But what what's what? I don't think that fans like
- 11:50Speaker 1: you that are already starting to feel like disassociated with it,
- 11:54Speaker 1: what you're going to be able to deal with is
- 11:57Speaker 1: the coach, because the coach puts all of that other
- 12:00Speaker 1: stuff in motion. So to me, it's time to make
- 12:04Speaker 1: these hold these coaches feets to the fire and this
- 12:08Speaker 1: world that we live in where we're finding it perfectly
- 12:12Speaker 1: acceptable that you're at a job Kaylin de boor that
- 12:16Speaker 1: you absolutely love, that everybody there loves you, and because
- 12:21Speaker 1: you don't get along with the new athletic director who
- 12:25Speaker 1: nobody liked you, is already gone. If you just waited,
- 12:29Speaker 1: you had more power than he did, if you would
- 12:31Speaker 1: have just waited this always seeking some place where I'm
- 12:35Speaker 1: sure it's going to be even better. No, when you
- 12:38Speaker 1: find great, you better latch onto it. Yeah, you know
- 12:42Speaker 1: that that is a bad way to live life, and
- 12:45Speaker 1: for Lane Kiffen to keep doing it and it always
- 12:49Speaker 1: ends up blowing up in his in his face, uh
- 12:52Speaker 1: and and even Jetfish, same message to you, Bud, Like
- 12:57Speaker 1: you know, I hope you are serious about staying here,
- 13:00Speaker 1: and and yet if he does leave, you're right, he's
- 13:04Speaker 1: going to raid all of the program. Yeah, and he's
- 13:07Speaker 1: gonna take Demon Williams to Michigan with him, and he's
- 13:10Speaker 1: going to take half of the roster. And then guess
- 13:13Speaker 1: what the follow up move has to be if you're Washington, Well,
- 13:16Speaker 1: we got to hire another head coach because we just
- 13:18Speaker 1: lost our coach and half our roster. Yeah, so now
- 13:21Speaker 1: we got to go hire another head coach and then
- 13:24Speaker 1: raid their up. Sorry, sorry about it. We are now
- 13:26Speaker 1: raid your roster. Yeah, that has to be stopped.
- 13:30Speaker 2: It feels dirty.
- 13:31Speaker 3: And we talk about too that, Like, you know, we
- 13:33Speaker 3: spent the last couple of days talking about players moving and.
- 13:36Speaker 2: Things like that too.
- 13:37Speaker 3: And I just think it's interesting that the idea is in,
- 13:42Speaker 3: you know, in a way to stop the players from
- 13:43Speaker 3: moving is to sign have him sign a contract. Well,
- 13:46Speaker 3: contracts clearly don't mean Diddley, because look at all the
- 13:48Speaker 3: coaches who have signed contracts and then more of the
- 13:51Speaker 3: money comes in and then they're like, oh, never mind,
- 13:53Speaker 3: we'll just buy you out and you can we can
- 13:55Speaker 3: fire you, or we'll just pay more and you can
- 13:57Speaker 3: leave and we'll do deal with your buyout so contract
- 14:00Speaker 3: in college football, especially mean jack squad.
- 14:03Speaker 1: And I think that that is where I would start,
- 14:07Speaker 1: because I think, like I said, all those other changes
- 14:10Speaker 1: will get accustomed to, and I think that will that
- 14:13Speaker 1: most of us, not all of us, most of us
- 14:15Speaker 1: are gonna like it better once we iron out all
- 14:18Speaker 1: the wrinkles. But there's no way to continue to like this.
- 14:21Speaker 1: There's no way we can do this raid and replace
- 14:25Speaker 1: kind of existence that we're living in college football. It's
- 14:29Speaker 1: it's nonsense, and it all starts with greedy coaches. And
- 14:32Speaker 1: so I think rules are going to have to be
- 14:35Speaker 1: put in place. I think college coaches need to be
- 14:38Speaker 1: held to the standard that players used to be held to,
- 14:41Speaker 1: the standardays to be held to. And if it's so
- 14:43Speaker 1: important for you to leave, players can now leave if
- 14:47Speaker 1: they want. Yeah, during the transfer portal year to year.
- 14:50Speaker 1: Let's not allow coaches to do that. If it's so
- 14:53Speaker 1: important to you to get to an even better program
- 14:56Speaker 1: where you're sure the grass is even greener than the
- 14:59Speaker 1: green ingrass that you say you love, and I've said
- 15:02Speaker 1: for years you love beneath your feet. But you've got
- 15:05Speaker 1: to get to that next one, because that's fourteen dollars
- 15:07Speaker 1: more and and and it's also oh gosh, when I
- 15:12Speaker 1: when I get there, I mean when it rains, it
- 15:15Speaker 1: rains skittles, and there are rains. Yeah, there are rainbows
- 15:19Speaker 1: that shoot out of all of my orifices every single morning.
- 15:24Speaker 1: I mean before it's heaven. You know, if that's the
- 15:29Speaker 1: mentality constantly and it never stops, make them sit out
- 15:32Speaker 1: of here. If that heaven is what you're sit out
- 15:35Speaker 1: of here without pay? Do you want to go now?
- 15:39Speaker 1: And I'll let you leave if you've got one year
- 15:41Speaker 1: left on your contract, and if they can't negotiate an extension,
- 15:46Speaker 1: or you don't want to negotiate an extension, we'll let
- 15:49Speaker 1: you leave. Because nobody wants to be in that even
- 15:51Speaker 1: program can't exist in that one year of is he
- 15:54Speaker 1: going to be here or is he going to not
- 15:56Speaker 1: be here? You know, you don't you don't even want
- 15:58Speaker 1: to deal with that as an admit. But I think
- 16:01Speaker 1: that if we could put in place like colleges can't
- 16:06Speaker 1: hire somebody, if they do hire somebody that's under contract
- 16:10Speaker 1: with another, then they have to go with an interim
- 16:12Speaker 1: for a year, and then they have to sit out
- 16:14Speaker 1: a year with no pay. Yeah, and then just curb it.
- 16:18Speaker 1: I'm not saying get rid of it, just curb it,
- 16:20Speaker 1: because you're right. I think what more than anything else
- 16:24Speaker 1: that has changed, if you continue to put college fan
- 16:27Speaker 1: bases through like always worried that their coach is leaving,
- 16:33Speaker 1: and then once he leaves, he's taking how much of
- 16:35Speaker 1: the roster? And then who do we have to steal away?
- 16:39Speaker 1: And then we got to learn a completely new roster,
- 16:42Speaker 1: and then we got to give that coach a year
- 16:44Speaker 1: to get adjusted, and so we're not going to hold him.
- 16:46Speaker 1: Just that to me is unsustainable. That's what's going to
- 16:50Speaker 1: chase away more college fans than anything, even though right
- 16:54Speaker 1: now none of you are getting chased away. You can
- 16:57Speaker 1: say you're getting chased away, but you're not getting chased
- 17:00Speaker 1: the way and the ratings suggest that. But if you
- 17:02Speaker 1: go through that experience enough, Ashley, I do see. I
- 17:06Speaker 1: can feel it in you.
- 17:07Speaker 3: I'm not going to put up with this much longer,
- 17:09Speaker 3: right and I mean for me to be even considering
- 17:11Speaker 3: that we're not renewing our Husky tickets, yeah next year,
- 17:15Speaker 3: that is a big deal. We have had them since
- 17:17Speaker 3: Mark and I started dating, so this is and I
- 17:19Speaker 3: grew up with them with my dad, like, this is
- 17:21Speaker 3: a big deal, and I just think you know, as
- 17:24Speaker 3: far as NIL, I have no problem with I want
- 17:26Speaker 3: players to get money for their name, image and likeness.
- 17:29Speaker 3: But what has happened to nil has? It's out of control.
- 17:32Speaker 1: Well, but where we are, we haven't trying to rain
- 17:35Speaker 1: that in. We do have rules. I don't know if
- 17:37Speaker 1: it's going to work, but they at least have implemented rules,
- 17:40Speaker 1: and then maybe we can start bringing some order in chaos.
- 17:43Speaker 1: But until you start telling these coaches you just can't
- 17:46Speaker 1: leave every year because you can make six dollars more
- 17:49Speaker 1: and get your ass kissed for a year on campus
- 17:52Speaker 1: until they turn on you and then you want to
- 17:54Speaker 1: leave again. Yeah, that has to get under control. And
- 17:57Speaker 1: shame on all of them. Shame on all of them them.
- 18:00Speaker 1: You know this grass is greener approach. How did you
- 18:03Speaker 1: not enjoy your How are you not enjoying your life?
- 18:06Speaker 2: I know you got a pretty good one.
- 18:07Speaker 1: How do you only enjoy it unless your ass is
- 18:10Speaker 1: getting kissed as the new guy on campus for one year?
- 18:13Speaker 1: That's all you can go. You're asking your players to
- 18:15Speaker 1: commit to you for four years and you can't go
- 18:17Speaker 1: more than a year without. Oh maybe I don't want
- 18:20Speaker 1: to be here anymore. You know, I saw the janitor
- 18:23Speaker 1: in the hallways and he wasn't very kind to me today.
- 18:25Speaker 2: He didn't he wasn't super pumped to see me.
- 18:26Speaker 1: Yeah, after spending this in the last three years, ripping
- 18:29Speaker 1: on kids and their lack of loyalty and the coaches,
- 18:32Speaker 1: they're setting the standard more so than anybody.
- 18:34Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 18:35Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I just the whole thing is
- 18:37Speaker 2: I don't like it.
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- 18:53Speaker 1: Insider from the Athletic Mike Sando, Good morning, Sarah.
- 18:57Speaker 6: You sure you're prepared to go one on one with
- 18:59Speaker 6: me today without your partner.
- 19:02Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm more than prepared, even though you will, for
- 19:07Speaker 1: the first time be covering a quarterback older than you.
- 19:09Speaker 6: On Sunday, I wish I wish I was younger than
- 19:14Speaker 6: Philip Rivers. We're all making fun of him for looking
- 19:17Speaker 6: like he's you know, a little heavier, but yeah.
- 19:21Speaker 4: He's probably a super elite athlete. Compared to the rest
- 19:24Speaker 4: of us.
- 19:25Speaker 1: How I mean, where does this rank in the craziest
- 19:28Speaker 1: most unexpected stories of your career?
- 19:31Speaker 6: It's definitely it's up there. I mean, I think to
- 19:36Speaker 6: be out for five years, you know, it's funny. I
- 19:38Speaker 6: think of this did happen once before? You know, the
- 19:42Speaker 6: the nineteen ninety eight Falcons team, which our good buddy
- 19:46Speaker 6: Robbie Tobeck was part of, did have Steve de Burg
- 19:50Speaker 6: come back after five years out. But they weren't really
- 19:52Speaker 6: counting on him. They went to the Super Bowl, they
- 19:54Speaker 6: weren't really counting on him to get him there. So
- 19:56Speaker 6: I think it's totally wild, but I get it. They're desperate.
- 20:00Speaker 6: I think that their options are limited. I'm sure they're
- 20:03Speaker 6: trying to do outter things. My question is, where's Ryan
- 20:06Speaker 6: Tannehill and all of this? Wouldn't he want to come
- 20:08Speaker 6: out of retirement?
- 20:09Speaker 1: Cam Newton wanted to Cam.
- 20:11Speaker 6: I just tweeted that I think recently he's throwing his
- 20:15Speaker 6: very stylish hat into the ring. Stuffout that it's a
- 20:17Speaker 6: different hat. He's got a better hat to throw.
- 20:19Speaker 1: In the ring in anybody else, I mean, does he have?
- 20:23Speaker 1: I kind of get it. If the Colts are like, hey,
- 20:26Speaker 1: we got like four or five games. We're in playoff
- 20:28Speaker 1: contention right now. If we can just maybe steal a
- 20:31Speaker 1: game in the next couple of weeks with Rippin, and
- 20:33Speaker 1: let's sign Rivers now and maybe by the last couple
- 20:36Speaker 1: of weeks of the year that we can get him
- 20:38Speaker 1: up to speed and he will be better than what
- 20:41Speaker 1: Brett Rippen will be. But to sign him on Tuesday
- 20:45Speaker 1: and have him play against Mike McDonald's defense on Sunday,
- 20:48Speaker 1: I mean, Mike, is there any chance he's going to
- 20:51Speaker 1: have any level of success on Sunday?
- 20:54Speaker 4: I don't think so.
- 20:55Speaker 6: I think the best thing they could do would be
- 20:57Speaker 6: to string it along a little while. I think it's
- 20:59Speaker 6: a move that well, yes they could. You definitely use
- 21:02Speaker 6: a quarterback.
- 21:02Speaker 4: I think it. You know, you're kind of showing your
- 21:05Speaker 4: locker room. You get a little energy.
- 21:06Speaker 6: Hey, Philip Rivers out here, you got some hope. I
- 21:08Speaker 6: wouldn't want to have that hope go away in one
- 21:11Speaker 6: week when he gets, you know, helped off the field,
- 21:14Speaker 6: limping because he pulled a hamstring or something. I think
- 21:16Speaker 6: I would do. I would keep him in the queue
- 21:18Speaker 6: here for a week or two.
- 21:20Speaker 4: It's unfair to send.
- 21:21Speaker 6: Him out there against Seattle, a top two or three
- 21:23Speaker 6: defense in the league on the road. I mean, that's
- 21:26Speaker 6: just a recipe for failure, to really have a bad
- 21:29Speaker 6: game where he could get hurt. So I think I
- 21:32Speaker 6: would totally have him come along and be saving this
- 21:35Speaker 6: thing up. You're not going to get eliminated this week, right,
- 21:38Speaker 6: and maybe then you could get something out of him
- 21:40Speaker 6: after a week or two of practice.
- 21:42Speaker 1: Crazy, just a crazy story and you had fun. I'm
- 21:45Speaker 1: here for it, front row, give me the popcorns.
- 21:48Speaker 6: Like like you know I can remember, you know, this
- 21:51Speaker 6: is a long time ago, but like one time in
- 21:53Speaker 6: the eighties, Jim Brown was on the cover of Sports Illustrated,
- 21:56Speaker 6: like at age forty eight, he had last played in
- 21:58Speaker 6: like the sixties, like he was going to come back
- 22:00Speaker 6: the Raiders, because he was talking smack about all these
- 22:02Speaker 6: running backs, these these soft guys of today who we
- 22:06Speaker 6: now look back on as the hardcore guys, these soft
- 22:09Speaker 6: guys of today stepping out of bounds. Frank O Harris,
- 22:12Speaker 6: let me put let me lace him up again. And
- 22:14Speaker 6: he got on the cover Sports Illustrator, But he never
- 22:16Speaker 6: came back because he would look terrible. Yeah, right, Wilt
- 22:19Speaker 6: Chamberlain allegedly they were trying to bring him out of retirement.
- 22:22Speaker 6: He was allegedly like dominating against Magic Johnson and pickup games.
- 22:26Speaker 4: I don't know about all of that.
- 22:27Speaker 1: But you know, seven foot two, you probably could fill
- 22:30Speaker 1: a role like playing quarterback in the National Football League
- 22:34Speaker 1: five years after you retire. That just seems like too
- 22:38Speaker 1: large of a hurdle to clear.
- 22:41Speaker 4: Yeah, put that all.
- 22:41Speaker 6: We got one for visual Take his mug shot and
- 22:44Speaker 6: put it next to Brady's age forty four bug shot.
- 22:46Speaker 6: I mean, they're different guys. One guy, you know, he's
- 22:49Speaker 6: that annoying guy who's like at the gym at age
- 22:52Speaker 6: fifty and somehow looks like he's twenty. And the other
- 22:55Speaker 6: guy looks like, you know, you should look like you
- 22:58Speaker 6: should look.
- 22:58Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's very likable. I mean, his press conference
- 23:02Speaker 1: was fantastic talking about his weight and everything else. But yeah,
- 23:06Speaker 1: we asked Mac them around. We don't have any choice.
- 23:08Speaker 1: I can't wait. It's going to be like a Rottweiler
- 23:10Speaker 1: on a pork chop. Coming up on Sunday, Mike Sando
- 23:14Speaker 1: is with us our NFL insider from the Athletics. A
- 23:17Speaker 1: lot of other things going on as well. Did you
- 23:20Speaker 1: get the sense that Joe Burrows comments this week a
- 23:22Speaker 1: bit cryptic, like almost he's feeling like he might not
- 23:25Speaker 1: play football anymore.
- 23:27Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he gets that way. I did see that.
- 23:32Speaker 6: A part of me was like, don't you just sort
- 23:35Speaker 6: of have to, you know, be the energy source for
- 23:37Speaker 6: your team too here, you know, and maybe he is
- 23:40Speaker 6: that on game day.
- 23:40Speaker 1: Yeah, your team's bad because you haven't been there for them.
- 23:44Speaker 4: Yeah, and their defense is bad too.
- 23:46Speaker 6: I mean, you know how much of this is maybe
- 23:48Speaker 6: I should dust this off, But in past seasons, you know,
- 23:51Speaker 6: I've kind of run the side by side snapshot at
- 23:53Speaker 6: him and Carson Palmer. You know, they kind of both
- 23:56Speaker 6: have lived this Cincinnati experience one way to the other
- 23:59Speaker 6: and now got paid a ton of money. And I
- 24:01Speaker 6: think that was part of the issue with Carson Palmer.
- 24:03Speaker 6: But still it it gets discouraging after a while. I
- 24:06Speaker 6: think he's just in a different place with the injuries
- 24:09Speaker 6: what there are on defense, and it did everything they
- 24:11Speaker 6: could to win the game last week and still couldn't
- 24:13Speaker 6: win it. He had a great game and it didn't
- 24:15Speaker 6: bounce their way. So I agree, I think he's sort
- 24:18Speaker 6: of got to, you know, pull that together by the
- 24:20Speaker 6: end of the week and be the source of energy,
- 24:22Speaker 6: not the source of gloom.
- 24:24Speaker 1: Chief's done.
- 24:26Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they're done this year for I think
- 24:28Speaker 6: they're not going to make the playoffs.
- 24:30Speaker 1: Yes, what about like like done, like they need to rebuild?
- 24:34Speaker 1: Done or well they'll make a couple of adjustments and
- 24:38Speaker 1: be right back next year.
- 24:39Speaker 6: I think that'd be the second one. I think they'll
- 24:41Speaker 6: definitely make some adjustments. I felt like it could actually
- 24:44Speaker 6: help them to miss the playoffs if they're not going
- 24:46Speaker 6: to be a team that goes all the way or
- 24:48Speaker 6: goes deep, just because it does force you to, you know,
- 24:52Speaker 6: make maybe some changes you wouldn't make otherwise when you
- 24:55Speaker 6: feel like you're close, when it's proven you're not close,
- 24:57Speaker 6: like by not making the playoffs, I think then you
- 25:00Speaker 6: need to. There's some more soul searching goes on, and
- 25:02Speaker 6: I think that could be good for them.
- 25:04Speaker 1: Rams play the Lions this week. Fantastic matchup and man,
- 25:08Speaker 1: that Stafford Golf trade. Have you ever seen a trade
- 25:11Speaker 1: benefit more teams more than what that one did?
- 25:16Speaker 6: No, it's it's tough to have a win win like that.
- 25:18Speaker 6: They were both perfect for each other at a really
- 25:20Speaker 6: critical important position. I mean, how many quarterbacks for quarterback trades.
- 25:24Speaker 6: Have there even been, let alone guys who end up becoming,
- 25:27Speaker 6: you know, getting new contracts with their teams being winning
- 25:29Speaker 6: playoff games. It's it really was a great trade. It's
- 25:34Speaker 6: funny you mentioned Burrow, you know, being down and out.
- 25:37Speaker 6: I think Stafford was at that point in the trade
- 25:38Speaker 6: where he's just kind of like, all right, I've been
- 25:39Speaker 6: here enough, you know, let me go somewhere else.
- 25:41Speaker 1: And I wonder if something similar could happen. I mean,
- 25:44Speaker 1: you use that as the proto type the Golf Stafford trade.
- 25:48Speaker 1: If Cincinnati would say, hey, if we can get a
- 25:51Speaker 1: franchise quarterback in return, because usually these things are we
- 25:55Speaker 1: trade our franchise quarterback for seventeen draft picks and rebuild.
- 25:59Speaker 1: But if Cincinnati could get a trade in the off
- 26:02Speaker 1: season where we're going to trade you for another you know,
- 26:05Speaker 1: like Jared Golf, like a good, We're gonna trade it
- 26:08Speaker 1: great for a good and then you throw us a
- 26:10Speaker 1: bunch of draft picks in addition, maybe that's something Cincinnati entertains.
- 26:15Speaker 1: If in fact, Joe Burrow is uh still wants to play.
- 26:18Speaker 6: Yeah, if some people have talked to in the league
- 26:21Speaker 6: had kind of predicted it could go down that path
- 26:24Speaker 6: at some point.
- 26:25Speaker 4: I think the perception of golf.
- 26:27Speaker 6: Was that, hey, he was kind of this, you know,
- 26:29Speaker 6: appreciated asset so to speak. Right, if we're going to
- 26:31Speaker 6: use an economic type of a term, So who would
- 26:34Speaker 6: that be? Who's like still good? But you know, is
- 26:37Speaker 6: perceived to have run his course in a certain place.
- 26:40Speaker 6: And off the top of my head, I I don't.
- 26:44Speaker 1: Know, Ram Darnold in a first for Joe Burrow, would
- 26:47Speaker 1: you do it?
- 26:49Speaker 4: Uh?
- 26:52Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, what I was thinking about this just caught
- 26:56Speaker 6: me off off guard.
- 26:56Speaker 4: But what about now? What about like Caleb Williams?
- 27:01Speaker 6: Ah, you know what if Den Johnson wanted to play
- 27:05Speaker 6: with with Burrow and they said, hey, we'll give you
- 27:10Speaker 6: our guy. But yeah, but I mean it's no offensive
- 27:13Speaker 6: journal But I mean has been a top tier guy.
- 27:15Speaker 5: You know.
- 27:15Speaker 4: I do think the injuries are concerned with him.
- 27:20Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah, but yeah, Caleble is a better example,
- 27:23Speaker 1: like a young quarterback that's controllable that Cincinnati could have
- 27:27Speaker 1: and then you probably throw in a little bit more.
- 27:29Speaker 1: I like that thought. All right. Thursday Night Football Falcons
- 27:32Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Are the Buccaneers going to hold onto
- 27:35Speaker 1: this division? Or not.
- 27:37Speaker 6: God, I don't know. I don't know if they are.
- 27:39Speaker 6: There's something wrong. They've they've really, you know, they they've
- 27:42Speaker 6: fallen off. I think some of it is differently their
- 27:44Speaker 6: injury situation. But what's Atlanta. You know, Atlanta is a team. Yeah,
- 27:48Speaker 6: they're They're a team that really needs to show something
- 27:51Speaker 6: late in the year too, to avoid a bunch of
- 27:53Speaker 6: huge changes. That might be the best thing for him anyway.
- 27:55Speaker 6: So I think it's a desperation game. I'm kind of
- 27:58Speaker 6: oddly intrigued by it in that sense. And they've played,
- 28:01Speaker 6: I think they've played. Last year, they played, didn't they
- 28:03Speaker 6: play a prime time game that was wild? Yeah, overtime
- 28:06Speaker 6: or something. Yes, yes, we get that.
- 28:08Speaker 1: I just Cousins was in that game and actually was
- 28:10Speaker 1: his only good game last year.
- 28:12Speaker 6: Yeah, so may maybe he can have another good game.
- 28:14Speaker 6: But I think it's more of a curiosity than a
- 28:17Speaker 6: good matchup.
- 28:17Speaker 1: All right, all right, man, Well, thank you very much.
- 28:20Speaker 1: Enjoyed Philip Rivers on Sunday. And if he's successful, I'm
- 28:24Speaker 1: going to try a comeback.
- 28:27Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yeah. I didn't know you have to, Oh, thank you.
- 28:31Speaker 1: I haven't played quarterback junior or in high school, but
- 28:35Speaker 1: I will make a comeback.
- 28:36Speaker 2: That is what they call.
- 28:38Speaker 6: Is there like some Super eight video of that mobile.
- 28:45Speaker 4: Being colors being color this way.
- 28:47Speaker 1: It's a lot of hands handing off the ball, not
- 28:50Speaker 1: a lot of throwing in southern Illinois in the late eighties.
- 28:53Speaker 1: I'll tell you that.
- 28:53Speaker 6: I'm going to try to find that video. I'm gonna
- 28:55Speaker 6: have to find that video, but I do think it's
- 28:57Speaker 6: probably film. It's probably just a spice together.
- 29:00Speaker 1: Drawings drawings of me in the little book.
- 29:04Speaker 2: You just have to flip it fast.
- 29:06Speaker 4: Yeah, fast.
- 29:08Speaker 1: Thank you for your insults. Mike. We'll talk to you. Actually,
- 29:11Speaker 1: we'll see Mike sand Or NFL insider from the Athletic
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- 29:27Speaker 1: One last thing on KJR, final segment. One last thing, Ashley,
- 29:36Speaker 1: what you got all right?
- 29:37Speaker 3: Well, we spent quite a bit of time today talking
- 29:39Speaker 3: about college football and the Sharon Moore thing and coaches
- 29:42Speaker 3: and players and everyone leaving right.
- 29:44Speaker 2: And my my thought is.
- 29:46Speaker 3: The thing that I used to love so much about
- 29:48Speaker 3: college football, the loyalty. It's gone, and so that was
- 29:50Speaker 3: kind of what always had drew me to it, and
- 29:53Speaker 3: as that's going away, I'm finding myself more drawn away
- 29:57Speaker 3: from it. You brought up that you know, the product
- 29:59Speaker 3: is huge and the rate are huge, and I do
- 30:02Speaker 3: agree with that. I think I've turned from being more
- 30:06Speaker 3: of the loyal I want to spend my money supporting
- 30:09Speaker 3: this team in this new environment, to the more casual fan.
- 30:14Speaker 3: And that made me start thinking like, well, what would
- 30:16Speaker 3: be the thing that would draw more people in again?
- 30:20Speaker 3: And I think that having you're going to start to
- 30:22Speaker 3: see college fantasy football because you've got all these players
- 30:26Speaker 3: going around, and that's what's going to get the product
- 30:28Speaker 3: even bigger. Right, You've got all these people that I mean,
- 30:31Speaker 3: I like it is, but it hasn't been that big
- 30:35Speaker 3: of a deal. And I think now with all these
- 30:37Speaker 3: players and you've got these superstars and they're going from
- 30:39Speaker 3: team to team and they're that that making that product
- 30:43Speaker 3: even bigger would draw the people in that are kind
- 30:47Speaker 3: of losing interest because they feel like their product has
- 30:49Speaker 3: been changed. And so I don't know, I just started
- 30:53Speaker 3: thinking about it. How you know NFL fantasy football. I
- 30:55Speaker 3: don't care about the Steelers, I don't care about the Ravens,
- 30:59Speaker 3: I don't care about the Buccaneers, but I care about
- 31:02Speaker 3: my fantasy football team. So I watch all those games
- 31:04Speaker 3: every week.
- 31:05Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it will become a bigger deal. I
- 31:07Speaker 1: think the stock of college football is actually going up,
- 31:10Speaker 1: despite the number of people like yourself that are so
- 31:13Speaker 1: extremely frustrated with it. Yeah, we are in a transition period.
- 31:18Speaker 1: We knew it was going to get a little bit ugly,
- 31:20Speaker 1: and I don't even mean to I mean, we spent
- 31:23Speaker 1: a lot of time talking about how the U dubbed
- 31:26Speaker 1: Kaitlin de boor Jedfish, Chris Peterson, those are the guys
- 31:29Speaker 1: being linked to Michigan right now. We don't know if
- 31:31Speaker 1: they have any interest.
- 31:32Speaker 2: No, we have no idea.
- 31:33Speaker 1: That's just people spitballing out there. And so I don't
- 31:36Speaker 1: want to be unfair again to Jed Fish, right, but
- 31:39Speaker 1: this comes with the you know, moving around the WAT
- 31:43Speaker 1: and so your name gets brought up. So maybe there's
- 31:45Speaker 1: zero interest whatsoever. But this pattern of you know, promising,
- 31:51Speaker 1: I mean I was the statement was made unless you
- 31:55Speaker 1: could say you wouldn't leave for a higher paying job.
- 32:00Speaker 1: Then I don't know if you can judge them. Number One,
- 32:03Speaker 1: I have passed up a higher paying job, so I
- 32:05Speaker 1: guess I am allowed to judge them. And then secondarily,
- 32:09Speaker 1: I would say I'm also if I moved to a
- 32:12Speaker 1: radio station for more money, or any other job for
- 32:15Speaker 1: more money. I haven't promised one hundred and eighteen year
- 32:18Speaker 1: olds and their parents to trust me, right, No, So
- 32:22Speaker 1: I don't think that process can continue. No, that's the
- 32:26Speaker 1: one thing you better get hemmed in if you're college football,
- 32:29Speaker 1: because I do believe fans will get sick of a
- 32:31Speaker 1: coach showing up, promising we're there and then leaving.
- 32:35Speaker 3: You just need a GM really to do all that,
- 32:37Speaker 3: and do the recruit do the recruiting, sign their contracts
- 32:39Speaker 3: and call it a day, and then they meet the
- 32:41Speaker 3: coach when they get there.
- 32:42Speaker 1: All right, we'll just send it right there. Oh, I
- 32:45Speaker 1: know what I was going to use. Stove Anders and
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- 32:58Speaker 1: about what's next for the Mariners, and we haven't even
- 33:00Speaker 1: discussed Andrews and I the fare for Ford Trades, So
- 33:04Speaker 1: we'll do that on this episode of Stove and have
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