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I Choose...To Talk About Menopause with Naomi Watts, Tamsen Fadal, and Dr. Eve Glazier · I Choose Me with Jennie Garth

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
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  Speaker 1: the choices we make and where they lead us. A.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I am still just riding so high
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  Speaker 1: from our first ever I Choose Me Live event. The
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  Speaker 1: day was so awesome. It was filled with so many
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  Speaker 1: incredible conversations and now guess what, I Am going to
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  Speaker 1: share them with you here on the podcast, so it
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  Speaker 1: will be like you were there with us. Today, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about our conversation on menopause, a topic
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  Speaker 1: none of us should be afraid to talk about. On
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  Speaker 1: this panel, we have the OSCAR nominated actress and author
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  Speaker 1: of Dare I Say It? Naomi Watts, author and producer
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  Speaker 1: of the documentary The M Factor Shredding the Silence on Menopause,
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  Speaker 1: Tamson Fidal, and President of the UCLA Health Faculty Practice Group,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Eve Glacier. But before we get into that incredible
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  Speaker 1: panel I Choose to talk about menopause, I want to
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's dive into the panel.
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  Speaker 3: So our next panel.
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  Speaker 4: Is just another set of incredible powerhouse women. Truly, these
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  Speaker 4: women have not even paused for a moment in their
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  Speaker 4: go get them careers, because right now what they are
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  Speaker 4: doing is some incredible work all about menopause, to release
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  Speaker 4: the stigma surrounding menopause. And so, if you'll please help me,
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  Speaker 4: welcome our next panel. I choose to talk about menopause.
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  Speaker 4: So whoo yeah, right, I know we need this, we
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  Speaker 4: need this. So starting with the first one on our panel,
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  Speaker 4: Academy Award nominated actress, entrepreneur and author of the.
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  Speaker 3: Very new book and.
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  Speaker 4: You Gotta get It if you don't have It called
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  Speaker 4: Dare I say it? Everything I wish I'd known about menopause,
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  Speaker 4: Naomi Watts.
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  Speaker 5: Good, all right.
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  Speaker 4: And next the president of the UCLA Health Faculty Practice Group,
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  Speaker 4: Doctor E.
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  Speaker 6: Beaser O, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Let me give you a hob.
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  Speaker 4: Incredible documentary The M Factor, Shredding the Silence on Menopause.
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  Speaker 4: Tamson Final Tamson, Who I Love beautiful? Welcome, Welcome, ladies,
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  Speaker 4: this is a conversation that is so necessary. I'm sad
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  Speaker 4: I have to listen to it backstage, but I will
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  Speaker 4: be there with all of you, and I can't wait.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, ladies for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this is it, This is the moment. Menopause is
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  Speaker 1: coming out, and so it's about time, right, we've lived
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  Speaker 1: in this sort of secrecy. My mom never talked about
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  Speaker 1: menopause to me. I don't think maybe you have the
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  Speaker 1: same experience. But now my kids just know what it is.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing. They're ready for it. I mean not.
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  Speaker 1: Ready for it, but they know it's a part of life.
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  Speaker 1: We're all going to go through it, so why not
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  Speaker 1: talk about it? And you are using your platform in
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  Speaker 1: such a beautiful way. We've all loved you and your
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  Speaker 1: work in film, and you decided to write a book
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  Speaker 1: about menopause.
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  Speaker 2: Why hi, everyone?
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  Speaker 7: Basically because I was thirty six and trying to get pregnant.
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  Speaker 7: Didn't know why I wasn't, so I went to the
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  Speaker 7: doctor who took some blood work and then he said
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  Speaker 7: the blood results suggested that I was quote unquote close
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  Speaker 7: to menopause, so at thirty six years old, so I
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  Speaker 7: was obviously filled with panic, and fear, and I walked
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  Speaker 7: out of the office in pieces. And to your point
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  Speaker 7: about your mother never talking to you, I never really
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  Speaker 7: had in depth conversations with my mom, only that I
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  Speaker 7: did remember that at forty five she had gone through it.
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  Speaker 7: That she said that she was forty five and it
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  Speaker 7: was early and then expected, but I was still thirty six.
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  Speaker 7: So I was like, why didn't you tell me more
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  Speaker 7: about this? And she said, well, these were the conversations
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  Speaker 7: I never had with you because my mother never had
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  Speaker 7: them with me, And that just like flawed me. I
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  Speaker 7: was like, why when it's half the population that are
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  Speaker 7: going to go through this, why would it be an
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  Speaker 7: untouchable conversation? That makes no sense, But it just speaks
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  Speaker 7: to where society was at for so long. Women had
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  Speaker 7: to navigate it by themselves. They barely spoke to well
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  Speaker 7: their mothers, their friends, or even doctors. You just had
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  Speaker 7: to suck it up Grinn and Barrett, and that's just
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  Speaker 7: not great. I don't think I think women are done
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  Speaker 7: with that kind of suffering in silence.
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  Speaker 2: So done with it?
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think it is that now is the
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  Speaker 1: time for us to start talking about it?
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Eve Glacier, So happier here.
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  Speaker 3: I mean now should have been yesterday, as we all know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think thanks to you know, amazing platforms,
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  Speaker 3: amazing forums as evidenced as the one today, Jenny giving voice,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think is really now what's fueling the moment.
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  Speaker 3: I think more than ever, I have patients, I have friends,
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  Speaker 3: and talking about it, raising awareness, basically contributing and making
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  Speaker 3: our own narrative is really a way of empowering ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: And I think we've waiting for this for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: This also has amazing ramifications for clinical research, for amazing books,
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  Speaker 3: for amazing documentaries, and it's a way that we can
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  Speaker 3: share stories and help each other. And I think there's
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  Speaker 3: a real emphasis on that in our community of women.
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  Speaker 2: It's Hamson, You've done something.
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  Speaker 1: You created the first ever documentary about menopause. What a
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  Speaker 1: trave laser guys, I mean, tell us why you decided
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  Speaker 1: to do that?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, we kept having the conversation among ourselves.
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  Speaker 6: That's what we continue to do.
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  Speaker 8: And I was a journalist for thirty years and the
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  Speaker 8: only thing I really knew how to do was tell stories.
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  Speaker 8: And I've listened to these stories over and over again
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  Speaker 8: from women that were suffering, doctors that were trying to
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  Speaker 8: get information out there, doctors that didn't know the information to.
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  Speaker 6: Get out there.
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  Speaker 8: And I thought, we got to start putting this together.
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  Speaker 8: And we set out to do that, and we got
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  Speaker 8: one refusal and rejection after another. There's no audios for it,
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  Speaker 8: nobody wanted to fund it.
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  Speaker 2: There's one audience for it.
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  Speaker 3: Only half the world.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and we said, well, we're going to do it ourselves.
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  Speaker 8: So we set out and we said, all right, we'll try,
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  Speaker 8: we'll put it up on YouTube and see what happens.
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  Speaker 8: And then PBS said, you know what, we're going to
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  Speaker 8: put it up and we're going to partner with you.
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  Speaker 6: And so that's where it started. But I have to say, it's.
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  Speaker 8: Really been the women that have taken this and made
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  Speaker 8: a movement, a grassroots movement. They've come into community centers
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  Speaker 8: and churches and theaters and homes to share it. So
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  Speaker 8: it's been pretty amazing thanks to them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, doctor Eve, I'm so happy to have you here.
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  Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of fans of yours
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  Speaker 1: in the audience too. I heard you, what would you say?
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  Speaker 1: What are you finding most women medically are coming to
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  Speaker 1: you and asking you about I.
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  Speaker 3: Think, first and foremost women are coming in and they're
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  Speaker 3: saying that they feel lonely. And I'm sure that you
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  Speaker 3: found this in your own research in writing and making
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  Speaker 3: your documentary. Most of all, I'm seeing women wanting to
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  Speaker 3: feel reassured that what they're going through is normal, right,
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  Speaker 3: and that have been having that expectation. But at the
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  Speaker 3: same time, they want to be acknowledged that their experience
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  Speaker 3: is individual and singular and that it matters in terms
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  Speaker 3: of perimenopause and menopause. I'm getting a lot of questions,
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  Speaker 3: especially around weight gain and exercise during this time.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that that I don't know, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like there's a whole resurgence of the feminine, divine energy,
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  Speaker 1: thank God, But do you think that the things that
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  Speaker 1: we sat I mean, I just had a conversation about
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  Speaker 1: menopause with my friend Gabrielle Cartis. I mean, you guys,
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  Speaker 1: are you sitting at lunch talking about menopause with your friends?
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  Speaker 7: Your girlfriends were talking about it all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Now, definitely.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it's amazing how once that door was opened
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  Speaker 7: up for a little crack, we all just bodged in
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  Speaker 7: and said, oh, but this is happening for me, is
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  Speaker 7: that happening for you?
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  Speaker 2: And it makes total sense.
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  Speaker 7: We have come together as women at every point in
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  Speaker 7: our lives. Our first kiss, our first period, the first
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  Speaker 7: time we had sex, the first time we thought about
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  Speaker 7: babies or marrying or you know, breastfeeding. All of these
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  Speaker 7: points we've needed to share how our experiences differ or
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  Speaker 7: how they can help each other. And this one was
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  Speaker 7: such a big.
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  Speaker 3: One as well.
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  Speaker 7: That was left off the chain of storytelling or story
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  Speaker 7: sharing and which makes no sense. So I think now
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  Speaker 7: it's been opened up, it's created and ease, and I
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  Speaker 7: think women are free to talk by unlocking that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, have you found that speech? H Janson?
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  Speaker 8: I was going to say that, I think it's become
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  Speaker 8: a new dinner party conversation.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know about you.
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  Speaker 8: Every time my husband goes Are you bringing it up
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  Speaker 8: all the time or are people bringing.
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  Speaker 6: It up to you?
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  Speaker 8: Why do we talk about this all the time when
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  Speaker 8: we talk to somebody. But I do think women feel
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  Speaker 8: to you point safer and scene and feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 8: that's that's what they want to talk about.
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  Speaker 6: Because they want to be able to share this with somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why people haven't been talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: It's that kind of connection that we as women need
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  Speaker 1: since to feel united with one another. And in that
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  Speaker 1: unity we have the strength and the courage so third
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  Speaker 1: of our lives. Yeah, they have parties for us when
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  Speaker 1: we have you know, birthdays and baby showers and all
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  Speaker 1: the things, but nobody has.
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  Speaker 2: A party for us. I heard doctor Mary Claire say
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  Speaker 2: this too.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we should have the menopost parties.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that we should have our own menopause party.
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  Speaker 3: Well, in to Naomi's point too, I mean, we would
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  Speaker 3: never separate puberty right from being a woman, so why
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  Speaker 3: would we separate this experience of menopause. And I think
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  Speaker 3: that continuum of being a woman, you know, thinking about
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  Speaker 3: that in a much more holistic continuum of care way
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  Speaker 3: is really important. We should be celebrating it all along.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about research and access to funding.
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  Speaker 2: For that research.
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  Speaker 1: Things are starting to change, things are starting to go
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  Speaker 1: in the right direction. We have a long way to go,
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  Speaker 1: I know, but what are your thoughts on the research
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  Speaker 1: that's happening. What are the newest things that you've learned
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  Speaker 1: that you could share with us.
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  Speaker 8: You know, we definitely have a long way to go,
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  Speaker 8: and we have to make sure we keep talking about
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  Speaker 8: it and keep pushing forward. It's really essential and then
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  Speaker 8: nothing derails that.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
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  Speaker 8: I always go to doctor Lisa Mosconi, the neuroscientists that
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  Speaker 8: we talked to, who has done tremendous, tremendous research in
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  Speaker 8: the area of women's brain health and dementia and menopause.
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  Speaker 8: So that's exciting to me. I think, you know where
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  Speaker 8: we need to be looking. We need to give women
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  Speaker 8: more answers. Two areas. One women that are survivors of
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  Speaker 8: breast cancer that are looking for other options out there
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  Speaker 8: and may not be able.
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  Speaker 6: To do hormone therapy.
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  Speaker 8: And then women's so they're not confused about hormone therapy
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  Speaker 8: because there was a well you should speak better to this,
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  Speaker 8: but there was a study in two thousand and two
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  Speaker 8: that left a lot of women feeling very very confused,
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  Speaker 8: and they don't know what to do, and they don't
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  Speaker 8: know who to believe, and we have to give them
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  Speaker 8: evidence of what we're all talking about every single day.
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  Speaker 3: We was what was that it was the National Institute
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  Speaker 3: of Health and it was a longitudinal women's study. What
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  Speaker 3: I would add is that it's also confusing for providers.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've had you know, I've grown up with
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  Speaker 3: most of my patients and the things that we were
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  Speaker 3: talking about in the late nineteen nineties to two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and two, and now it's evolved. But when you ask
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  Speaker 3: sort of what I think is the cornerstone of evolving,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's. What I'm happy to report is that
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  Speaker 3: we're coming from a place of much more humility. At
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  Speaker 3: least I can say that for UCLA and my colleagues,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Oliver, Los Angeles, a place of humility where
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  Speaker 3: we can say, wait, the research is evolving. What we
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  Speaker 3: now know. We're listening to patients, tell me what works
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  Speaker 3: for you, right, so you know what's an individual tailored treatment? Right?
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  Speaker 3: Do hormones work for you? Do non hormonal treatments work
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  Speaker 3: for you? It's almost like precision medicine.
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  Speaker 1: How do we feel about hormone replacement therapy at this point?
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  Speaker 1: I feel good about it.
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  Speaker 2: It works for me. I've been on it for over
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  Speaker 2: a decade.
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  Speaker 7: And I would just say, in continuing what you was saying,
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  Speaker 7: everyone should go to their doctor and be prepared with
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  Speaker 7: a list of your symptoms, questions, read up on it,
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  Speaker 7: be your own best advocate.
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  Speaker 2: Be the CEO of your body.
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  Speaker 7: You know better, bring in your medical history, your family's
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  Speaker 7: medical history, and you're entitled to have a full conversation
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  Speaker 7: about it. What is safe for you, and it's obviously
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  Speaker 7: always your choice, and if the symptoms are unbearable, you
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  Speaker 7: should look into treatment. Don't suffer just because you were
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  Speaker 7: told because of this study that it might cause harm.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I think you.
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  Speaker 7: Really just have to at least have your doctor look
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  Speaker 7: you in the eye and give you the options based
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  Speaker 7: on your history, your medical history.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and if they tell you it's not an option,
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  Speaker 1: go see a different doctor. No gatekeeping.
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  Speaker 6: That's night.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. I mean, I really just want
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  Speaker 3: to say, it's not even just one conversation. You have
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  Speaker 3: to often advocate and fight for multiple conversations. You know,
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  Speaker 3: look into their eyes multiple times. It is okay to
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  Speaker 3: break up with your provider. I mean, that's a lot
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  Speaker 3: about choosing yourself. Put yourself first. I promise you that
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  Speaker 3: that person is not going home at night and is like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: Eve's not seeing me anymore. No, Like, it's all about
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  Speaker 3: you and you need to choose the right person for you,
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  Speaker 3: and that might change over time. So that person that
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  Speaker 3: might felt like they were a good partner. It's like
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  Speaker 3: any relationship, right, You then need to keep on choosing yourself.
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  Speaker 3: It's very dynamic, and your symptoms might change as well.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, perimenopause, menopause.
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  Speaker 6: It's it's tricky, long word.
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  Speaker 1: It's long word that there was such a two a
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  Speaker 1: stigma about talking about it, especially with you, Tampson, when
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  Speaker 1: you started noticing your symptoms and you were a broadcaster.
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  Speaker 1: What happened for you when you decided to leave that
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  Speaker 1: industry that you were in and make this your focus.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it was a decision that I made because
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  Speaker 8: I couldn't stop talking about it.
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  Speaker 6: I couldn't stop feeling that this was the right choice.
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  Speaker 8: I had a lot of people that say, you're going
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  Speaker 8: to ruing your career, Like, I don't know what you're
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  Speaker 8: doing right, jumping on social media talking about this. You're
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  Speaker 8: telling everyone your age essentially, And so I had I
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  Speaker 8: had some reservations.
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  Speaker 6: I was nervous about it at first.
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  Speaker 8: But then I realized the number of women that I
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  Speaker 8: was hearing from that were getting help and these raw
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  Speaker 8: and emotional stories, and I just couldn't stop. And so
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  Speaker 8: I feel really good about it. I feel like we're
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  Speaker 8: seeing women come together globally. I've met a community that
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  Speaker 8: I could never have imagined meeting and and I'm sharing
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  Speaker 8: with and that's made all the difference in the world.
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  Speaker 8: Like I understood community before, it's like I got some
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  Speaker 8: good friends. I never understood this definition community, definition of community.
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  Speaker 1: It's so much different now when we're talking about things
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  Speaker 1: that we were so scared to talk about before, and
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  Speaker 1: there's such a vulnerability there and that sense of connection.
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  Speaker 1: No matter how different we are or where we come from,
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  Speaker 1: we're all inevitably going to go through this, so we
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  Speaker 1: should better be talking about it.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 1: You shared a sweet story in your book, which is
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  Speaker 1: so great and by the way, I want you to know,
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  Speaker 1: I think if you haven't already discovered, it's in your
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  Speaker 1: gift bags.
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  Speaker 2: So that is so exciting.
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  Speaker 1: But you shared a story in there, and I think
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  Speaker 1: you talked about it on Drew Barrymore about Yeah, your
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  Speaker 1: first experience sharing your fears with your partner. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: a frightening conversation.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, it's quite a detailed story that I'll say for
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  Speaker 7: the reader. You know the graphic pods, but yes, it
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  Speaker 7: was a moment where it was quite defining because it
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  Speaker 7: was met with such compassion and empathy. Because I something
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  Speaker 7: that I was fearing and holding on too. I managed
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  Speaker 7: to just own and you know, name it and share
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  Speaker 7: it with him and he was like, how can I help?
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  Speaker 2: And it just sort of speaks.
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  Speaker 7: To people want to know, they want to help, and
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  Speaker 7: they want to be in on the story that you're
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  Speaker 7: going through. So if you are flailing and feeling like
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  Speaker 7: you're losing your mind, you know, bring people, especially those
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  Speaker 7: who are close to you, into it, and they know
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  Speaker 7: how to behave When things are left to a mystery,
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  Speaker 7: they are going to be making it up and think,
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  Speaker 7: you know, it's other things, perhaps something that they're doing
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  Speaker 7: wrong or whatever. Yeah, this was a very sweet story
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: and I.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Ended up marrying this guy because of the joy.
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: And he also made it possible because it confirmed that
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: it is good to lean into your vulnerabilities and they
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: do become your strengths and they are liberating when you
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: you know.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Unlock secrets. And yeah, I it was just.
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: The story is it's a funny story of me having
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: to slip away into the bathroom and take off my
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: patch because I was afraid for estrogen. My estrogen patch
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: which is surely not sexy.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Well it's not.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: You can't really notice it except for.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: The gummy residue that it looks like all over your stomach.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's horrible.
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: So I just disappeared for too long and he was like.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Are you okay? You're not in the mood.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: Just I have Look, I have this thing on my body.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: It's my menopause patch.
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: I'm getting treatment, but you know, I'm probably just should
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: I just leave?
• 18:52
  Speaker 10: You know?
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: I was like, I'm sure he just thinks this is
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: so not you know. Anyway, he was like, oh my god,
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: I'm so glad you're getting treatment. This is you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: we're the same age, and how can I help?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: He sounds like a very sensitive aesthetic guy. I think
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: there are.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Probably a lot of men out there that don't know
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: anything about menopause.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And they need to learn about it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: They need to be around women that are talking about it,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: because they're going to be with a woman that is
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: in menopause at some point.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: What about Perry menopause?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Because nobody was talking about that, and it's still a
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: topic that people aren't talking about as much. I mean,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: it kind of gets lumped in with menopause. But perimenopause
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: is this like slow creep and I mean creep into
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: full blow menopause. It's it's like the on ramp or
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the off ramp. I guess, I don't know, but it is.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Doctor Eve talk about the difference between perry menopause and menopause.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Sure, so menopause just diagnosis. Definition just means so station
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: i e. Stop of period for at least twelve months.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Perimenopause refers to the transition leading up to that cessation.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: But as you know, we use those words and conflate
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: them a lot, which is you know, completely fine for
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: the sake of conversation. But now, as I was mentioning,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: like with puberty, we should be talking about perimenopause because
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I do think one of the big things that is
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: so distressing is we start having symptoms. We wonder what's happening,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: is it normal? How long is it going to go on?
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: And then you know, are there ways to mitigate? And
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I think if we're talking about perimenopause, getting ready for
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: those transitions. So for example, as I mentioned, a lot
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: of people are concerned about what foods they should be eating,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: what exercise.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Well, let's shore up our forces right before we're in menopause.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Let's start doing weight bearing exercise. Let's start making sure
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: we're eating enough protein to maintain our muscle mass. So
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I think that it's all about that expectation and again
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: filling that knowledge gap, because the more information that you have,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: and this is why I'm in such admiration of the
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: two of you. It changes lives to have information because
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: then you can make decisions for yourself, which is again
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: choosing yourself, and that's power.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: What about hot flashes?
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: Is there?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: What's the science behind that?
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: The science behind is really we have this hypothalamus I
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: love saying all these words out loud fun, which is
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: the internal you know, regulator of your brain. And what
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: esergen does is it kind of messes with that internal
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: regulation and it tells your internal thermostat you're really hot,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: which then your brain then sends signals to your blood vessels,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: your spipe lands to cool off.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So you're not really hot. Your brain just tells you
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: you're hot.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Trickery, huh, I feel hot like I believe it.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the symptoms.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: What are some other symptoms that we can prepare ourself
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: with because I know for like young girls, we don't
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: really talk about or think about our periods.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Until we get them right.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: So there's like I said that that slow creep the perimenopause,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: you don't know what's happening to you. You think maybe
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it's in your head. You think nobody else is having you.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it could be a myriad of things that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you're suffering from, because these symptoms are so sort of
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: vague and all over the place, and we're really just
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: learning so much about all of the symptoms.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Well, what's confusing too is this is also occurring during
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: a time where we're getting older, so some of our
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: symptoms are actually they are not just map to menopause
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: or hormones. They're also map to changes in our life
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: and aging, and so it can be very confusing to
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: discern you know, which symptom is which. So yes to
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: your point, and go ahead, I'm going to crack a joke. Please.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: We like like when someone breathes too loud, all the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: loud breather.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: No, it is.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: It's a multitude of things, and the knowledge gap is
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: absolutely right. I didn't know that migrains were menopause related.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: I didn't know that dry skin was menopause related. I
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: also ticked on, you know, every medical form I had
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: each time I started a new job.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: As actors, we have to do.
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: That night sweats, night sweats, night sweat every single time
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: for years, and it went completely you.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Know, unnoticed.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: They were like, oh, are you allergic to something, or
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: are you stressed or you know, use a fan? Yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: just yeah, and it was no one connected the dots.
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: So to your point about feeling like you're losing yourself,
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: the perimenopause stage, I would say is the worst part.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: And then when you get to menopause, you feel yourself again.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: You feel like you're getting yourself back because things are
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: stabilized because of these unpredictable shifts of hormones rising and falling.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: And that is a good moment.
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: And I think that's when you're like, you really start sharing,
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: the community strengthens around you, and you're more willing.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: To talk about it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: It's the isolation, and half the soul is being able
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: to talk, owning what it is that you're going through
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: and getting help because I think it comes.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: You know, there's that age when we talked about it earlier,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: when you start to feel invisible or disregarded by society
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and then you have this roller coaster that's so kind
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: of gray for a lot of us, and then it
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: just further sends you into that sort of isolation and
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: pulling away from learning more and communicating more and sharing more.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So again, like what you women are doing to spread
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: awareness using your platforms, that is vi to everybody succeeding
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: in life, you know, And that is a new thing
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that's developed recently, and I just think it's so wonderful
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and if anybody doesn't like it, they can just go
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: somewhere else.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I love that part.
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: I will also say this, I think that we as
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: women have been afraid to age because of what society
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: has done, so this also comes at that time. Some
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: of the other symptoms like brain fog make you feel
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: like you just like can't keep up, and I think
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: that that causes a lot of fear. But to know
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: that there are solutions, to know that you're not alone
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: dealing with that, I think that that makes you feel
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: not so isolated because it is that isolation and in
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: fear of talking about it, I think that is really difficult.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: It was difficult for me to overcome.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about brain fog. I have it all the time,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: all the time. And for a long time I thought, Okay,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I have a bad memory to begin with, so that
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: maybe that's just what's happening. But then it was just
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: so obvious. It's not my memory. It's literally my brain
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: just goes flat. And I thought there was something wrong
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: with me. I thought that maybe I was going to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: develop dementia. I thought I was like having early Alzheimer's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: or Halfheimer's as I like to call it.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: But what is the brain fog all about, doctor Eve?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're still researching this, but a lot of
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: this is this amazing power of estrogen. And you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Tamson and Nami please chime in, but a lot of
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: it is the estrogen really affects the connectivity, you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: really the synapses talking to each other in the brain.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: It's very real. And you know, Nami, when you were
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: just saying about once you kind of go through it
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: and emerge. A lot of times people do notice that
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: the brain fog has dissipated once menopause has set in,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: you know, so once the per menopause has completed.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt so happy when my doctor told me
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I was in the menopause and not in the perimenopause,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and I felt like, oh, thank god.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: That's over. You've arrived.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: It gets a lot better for anybody who's in perry.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Go right in there to the menopause. You'll you'll be
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: happy you did. And talk about it to your daughters.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have daughters. Who do you have You
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: don't have children, right, but you have a three and
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: you have a daughter and a son. Correct, what is
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the conversation like for you? Because I'm curious too with
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: my three daughters, like.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: How how are you?
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: I have a a little another little thing in the book.
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: When I started planning the book, and I also created
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: a company called Stripes.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Beauty, which.
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: Is about hydration from scalp to vent.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, we need hydration. Yes, we definitely need hydration.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I'm wearing full Monty right now.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: By the way. Yes, you guys got to try Stripes. Yeah,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: this is amazing, so thank you. Yes. People love the fragrance.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: So they heard me speaking about menopause ad nauseum for
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: years and I.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Thought, oh, I wonder what they know? You know? And
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I say, I asked them both.
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: One of them said, isn't it when old ladies die?
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: I said, no, Okay, next, Oh, isn't it when you
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: wet the bed, mummy, Because clearly I'd had a night
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: sweat and you know, crept into bed and that was
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: that was that.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: So it just goes to show you.
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: And I started saying, well, this is why the conversation
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: should come in the in the sex said in fifth
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: grade or sixth grade, whenever it is. This is the
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: beginning of a woman's hormonal journey. All these things can
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: happen in between, and then this is the book end
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: to that. But it's not the end. It's just a
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: different chapter. From there on. We're in a nice other
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: place that is very freeing, and it's quite yeah, liberating
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: to not have your hormones driving decisions.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I want to tell you you it's so true. I
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: thought I got a handle on things. Perrymenopause came in
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: with the emotional roller coaster, so that wasn't very fun.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: But I want to.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Talk to you about the sex because what so the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: lobido drops during Perry or during full on menopause.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Does it get better? Is it going to get better?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I think everything is going to be messing for default
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to optimism, But yes, the libido does drop and libido
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: drops for men as well, so irrespective of who your
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: of who your partner is. You know, Tamson, you alluded
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: to this too. I think just with aging, there's so
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: many negative connotations about aging and competition, about sex right
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and being sexy. But this, to me, and anyway, this
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: is I think what you're talking about is, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: it's the lubrication, lubrication, lubrication, but also communication, communication, communication,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: So yes, things drop, but they drop and they change
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: and they evolve. And again I think that's an ongoing conversation.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: But yes, you know, biologically the estrogen drops, testosterone drops,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: so that's definitely something we just see biologically with aging.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: Did you guys read that New York Times article women
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: are having the best sex of course?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, women are having the best sex win
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: at this stage.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: In their lives and they're fifty like backstage.
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: How funny.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: So it gets better, It does get better.
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, to your point, educate, communicate, lubricate.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Everything is, yes, possible.
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: You just got to get organized, You got to get
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: a handle on things.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And our children, our daughters, our sons, are they
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: see us thriving? I mean you what are your daughters
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: see they have to see you thriving.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: They I mean, I can't speak for them, but they
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: are in awe of me, like because they, yeah, they
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: saw me growing up as this girl on TV, you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the it girl or whatever, and now they've seen me
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: through all my ups and all my downs. They've seen
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: me rise and fall. But they I've loved that they've
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: gotten to see all those parts of me, even the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: parts that have been embarrassing and that I maybe wish
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I hadn't showed them, But I am so glad that
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I was very open and honest with them, so that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: they know what is in store for them and they
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: know they can handle anything so important. Tamson, what do
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: you do to stay feeling sexy during menopause?
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: During menopause?
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: You know, I didn't feel sexy during Perry, that's for sure.
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: And I was just starting to date my now husband,
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: so I had all those ups and downs and roller
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: coasters and period they came out of nowhere and I'd
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: like run into a bathroom, So I didn't feel very sexy.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Then.
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: I feel like now I really do communicate and he's
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: heard more than he ever wants to hear about menopause
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: and everything in between but yeah, I'm really open and
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: honest about it. I have, you know, incorporated things, and
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: I think even surprise him sometimes.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: And you know, I when I.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Take out loub He's like what what? Oh?
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: What?
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: So you know, I'm not shy about anything anymore. And
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: I think I used to be. I think I used
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: to communicate. I'd be like, you know what to do right,
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: like you know, anybody, any partner. And I think now
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: that I really do talk through it all. And I
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: also think my sexy though, or in my head anyway,
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: comes from feeling just more confident in who I am
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: now during this time and knowing what I will tolerate
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: and what I won't and what makes me really feel
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: good about myself inside. And I don't know, I wake
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: up every day right now really excited about the day
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: and the message and what we're doing.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: So that kind of makes me feel sexy.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: You should have really excited.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: You should feel excited you're doing I'm going to be
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a part of it to it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, you're doing a forum situation. Can you tell us
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: about it because it's going to be amazing.
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: Well, you're talking about a party, so I was till
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: it's about a pause party. I wanted to do something
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: to celebrate the women that came out for the documentary,
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: and I know March is a women's month. So we're
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: going to throw the world's Hottest Menopause Party on March
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: first in Vegas. It's free, Vegas, very virtually free. Yeah,
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: it's gonna be in Vegas and so but everyone can
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: come in. And we want to make sure women around
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: the world have access to the information for free, because
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: I think that's just super super important.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: So that's what we're going to do March first.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: We're gonna have a lot of experts there, a lot
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: of familiar faces there, and so I'm real excited about it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: I wanted a women to be able to celebrate this time,
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: not fear it. And everyone said, you're calling it a
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: menopause party, and I said, yeah, it's kind of a party.
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: I think.
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: I think that's where we are now. We need to
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: celebrate this time. So that's what that's what we're doing, Mars.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Using all of your journalistic yes stabilities, because you're so fabulous.
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: Yes, I'm super super excited.
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: I We're going to have monitors all over the place
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: that women can screen in and ask questions and get information,
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: because I just think that's the only way we're going
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: to get this word out there. And I hope, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: we have young women coming in, and I hope they
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: see their moms coming in. So yeah, I'm really excited
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: about it. I'm excited about it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I mean too.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I think it would be a great time to do
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: a little Q and A if you guys are open
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: to it. I hope that you all have questions, because
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I know I did and do Amy, Sugarman, I see
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you have a microphone.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Is this the thing on?
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: I have questions. First of all, all the ladies wearing
• 34:27
  Speaker 12: blankets are not in menopause because it is.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Well always Sometimes you're really hot and then instantly it changes.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: To your freezing.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Not for me, okay, always hot.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: Who has a question?
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Don't be shy, don't be shy.
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: What's your name?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Hi, Nancy, I'm coming, I'm coming. I'm coming. Careful your foot, Amy.
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: I know I broke my ankle, but I'm fine. Now, Nancy,
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: where are you from?
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: I'm Orange County? What is your question?
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: So I'm wondering about the length of this lovely transition.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I'm fifty five.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: I think I'm over the hump, but I still have
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: the ragye moments, and so I'm just wondering about.
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: Typically how long it is.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I asked my mom.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: And my sister and they're like, oh, like seven years.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, dogt your eve.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, how long is this last?
• 35:20
  Speaker 13: Start?
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: But please chime in the perimenopause, which often begins with
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: the regular periods, hot flashes, difficulties sleeping, you can see
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: how it often overlaps with other things and other challenges
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: in our life, but sometimes even five to seven years
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: before the period actually stops. And you know, we don't
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: have a lab test per se. It's really you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: your you go to your doctor and you say, I
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: haven't had a period for twelve months without spotting, without
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: any irregularity. So five to seven years.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Ish, that's that's. Oh we have another question.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bunch down here.
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: Lorraine's up there too, so we're going to take care
• 35:55
  Speaker 12: of people up up above too. I'll do one right
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: here and then we'll go to you, Lorraine.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: What's your name?
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: Hi? My name is Julie and I'm from Denver. I'm
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: also fifty five and I feel like I've been in
• 36:06
  Speaker 14: perimenoposter about ten years but I'm also a breast cancer survivor,
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: and just I've tried all of the Western medicine options
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: and I cannot find anything the brain fog night sweats.
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: It's just I don't know any suggestions other than estrogen
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: because I can't do the past.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I think that it's important to talk about it holistically.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: And sometimes when I think about the word holistically, I
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: think it's just Eastern medicine. But you talk about the
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: fact that it's embracing all the modalities.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: It is absolutely and again Naomi and Tamson should chime in.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: First of all, I'm sorry for everything you're going through,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: and I have. I just had a patient yesterday who's
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: enduring the same thing, like really difficult symptoms and then
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: doesn't have certain, you know, modalities available. Vioza, which is
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: a neuro kind I don't know if you have tried that,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: but it's a NK three receptor receptor antagonist and it's
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: just been FDA approved, so that that's non hormonal and
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: it targets the thermoregulator center in the brain. That's a
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: game changer for hot flashes. That's the newest one, I
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: would say, And in terms of help in terms of
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: help with that. I will say also, there's some work
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: done at U C l A. It's uh, the brand
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: name is Cleoatra, so that's not UCLA, but there is
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: a brand where there is an estrogen that doesn't bind
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: to the estrogen receptors in the breast, and so that
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: is something that's coming to market very soon. So again
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: getting the benefit of hormone you know, therapies, but without
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: the risk to the breast tissue.
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: Let's go up above, Lorraine.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Who do you have.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Jenny Landyline?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Oh hi, Jenny.
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: I am a coutume designer. I was lucky enough to
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: dress Jenny on nine or two one zero. Thank you
• 37:58
  Speaker 10: for this form.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: It's been so.
• 38:00
  Speaker 10: Amazing today coming Oh my gosh, I'm so excited somebody
• 38:04
  Speaker 10: with an IUD. An IUD changed my life with endometriosis.
• 38:09
  Speaker 10: But now I feel like I'm having all the stuff
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: going on and the period is or not having a
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: period is not a signal. So what are your suggestions
• 38:17
  Speaker 10: on I've asked doctors, They're like, oh, you're a full menopause,
• 38:21
  Speaker 10: and then they gave me estrogen cream and then I
• 38:24
  Speaker 10: had a full period and got all my cramps back.
• 38:27
  Speaker 10: So maybe someone that's had experience with an IUD. The
• 38:31
  Speaker 10: symptoms aren't because usually with an IUD you don't get
• 38:34
  Speaker 10: your period.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: A lot of people don't get. So you're saying it's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: hard to tell. It's hard to tell.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Am I just old and tired? Or is a brain fog?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 38:43
  Speaker 10: Am I just cramping because I got gas?
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Or is a brain you know what I mean?
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Like all the things.
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: That go along.
• 38:48
  Speaker 10: Well, you guys are saying the symptoms with an IUD.
• 38:51
  Speaker 10: I think there's a lot of things you can't tell
• 38:53
  Speaker 10: because it does stop the period for some people.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I can't answer that.
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: I don't know any medical because I've been to three
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: to you often.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'll definitely take a try. I mean, it
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: is so hard when there's so many variables, and I
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: just want to kind of start with you know, you
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: did mention holistic, and I did want to mention as
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: well that what's so also hard about this perimenopause menopause
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: time is that often and I'll get to your question too,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: is that right? We feel tired, we have difficulties sleeping,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: we have anxiety. This also coincides with times in our
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: lives where our parents are sick where you know, we
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: have career changes, relationship changes, you know, we're tired, So
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of it can be conflated with the IUD.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you have a copper or plastic.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: You don't have to tell me now, but I would
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: I would remove the variable. I think it's very very
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: hard to sort of start you know, too many different
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: things because then you're like, well, which one actually made
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: the difference? So if you from here you look twenty five.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: But if you are paramenopasal, I would consider maybe taking
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: out the IUD if you're actually bleeding through, because that
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: shouldn't happen, and the creams shouldn't. Neoli and I were
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: just talking. The creams shouldn't give you a full period either. Yes, yeah,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: so that sounds that does sound more like you know, perimenopause.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: And even with the IUD, it's it's really more of
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: a mechanical barrier. So he has a tiny bit of
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: progesterone sometimes, but you still might need you know, the
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: hormone therapy as well, if if that's something that you're
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: a candidate for.
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: Definitely, who has a question down here?
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I love all these questions. You are so brave. This
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: is what it's all about.
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: Hi, I'm Lorena. Oh, I'm Lori enough from San Francisco.
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: I'm a massage therapist, so going back to the holistic
• 40:32
  Speaker 9: and I'm also do hr tea myself. It doesn't have
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: to be one thing or the other. They can compliment
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: each other. So that's really important to remember.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Earlier today there.
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: Was a talk about PCOS with one of the speakers.
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: Do you have you seen any additional severity and symptoms
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: for someone that already has PCOS and then going through
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: the perimenopause stage.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I have not. I don't know in your experience, you know,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: speaking so many women, I have, I have not.
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: Actually, Loreene, what's happening up there?
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: We have somebody with a really good question.
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: Hi.
• 41:10
  Speaker 15: My name is Jamie and I'm fifty nine years old
• 41:12
  Speaker 15: and I'm from Santa Monica, California. My question is I
• 41:16
  Speaker 15: didn't have when I went through menopause, I didn't have
• 41:18
  Speaker 15: any symptoms, so I didn't find the need to start
• 41:21
  Speaker 15: homer replacement.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: So now in my.
• 41:24
  Speaker 15: Later fifties, is it too late to get any of
• 41:27
  Speaker 15: the benefits of aging and the reduction of aging because
• 41:31
  Speaker 15: I don't look twenty five. Would that help me. Now
• 41:34
  Speaker 15: at this point in my life.
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: I feel like this is a doctor about you.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Try you can easily play one.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely yeah for that.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: It is not too late, but I really encourage you
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: to have the conversation with your provider. It's not too late.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: But what you do bring up and I wouldn't mind
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: opening up the conversation about this, which is is the
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: aging aspect, so you know, the even the you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: we've even moved away from hormone replacement because we're really
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: not replacing anything right, nothing is broken or failing right
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: or faulty, but it's you know, it's hormone therapy. So yes,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: there could be some therapeutic benefits. Absolutely, so you might
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: not might not have had so far right, really disruptive
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: hot flashes, difficulties sleeping, but it could be that over
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: time you do experience what we call the genito urinary
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: syndrome of menopause. Used to be vaginal atrophy, but we're
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: getting rid of that patriarchal language.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I'm good, you.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Don't shrink here, and so that's where for example, vaginal
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: estrogen might help. And sometimes I would you know, suggest
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: the conversation. Sometimes getting ahead of that you know, is
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: it would be really beneficial because it's not just the
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: plumpness of your vagina. There's also predisposition to urinary tract infections.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: The tissue of the vagina gets very, very fragile.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: And that's pretty safe for everyone, right, because it doesn't
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: go through the bloodstream.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: That's right, I'll come over here.
• 43:04
  Speaker 12: Did we talk about how the anxiety is a disaster
• 43:08
  Speaker 12: during menopause?
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: We should address that.
• 43:12
  Speaker 12: I think, yeah, I think Jenny knew I was having
• 43:16
  Speaker 12: it just by looking at me, like, did.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: That happen to all of you?
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Yes? Hard, yes, yes.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: And I think for me it was born out of
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: disrupted sleep. For me, if I couldn't get my sleep
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: under control, it was basically a non starter. I had
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: to I have to have sleep, I can't work, and
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: you know, like remember dialogue or you know, there's all
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: kinds of things that it can lead to. Anxiety, lack
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: of confidence, memory blips, depression, mood swings. You know, if
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: you don't sleep right that, yeah, it's just going to
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: lead to too many things. So certainly for me that's
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: a gare again where HRT helped me. The progesterone calms
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: me down at night. I also do other things holistically speaking,
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: just in lifestyle things. I exercise as much as I can.
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: I eat healthily. I do a wine down at the
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: end of the night. I take a bath if I can,
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: you know, just to bring down the anxiety.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Not eat too late, not drink too late.
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: I try not to drink too often, but I do
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: love a cocktail now and again. So those sort of
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: things adjusting your lifestyle that will help support your sleep,
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: which is going to help quality of life.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you that was for me.
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: No, thank you, thank you for doing your show thing
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: here today and ask you. Thank you ladies for showing up.
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: Oh and thank you Ryan for taking me.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so this is her acceptance speech.
• 44:57
  Speaker 16: I love.
• 44:59
  Speaker 11: I just vitamins or pills. I don't know what they're
• 45:02
  Speaker 11: supposed to be called. I'm summer. And I did asked
• 45:07
  Speaker 11: about hormone replacement thing because I had menopause. I don't
• 45:11
  Speaker 11: know for how many years, I don't remember, but I
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: was gonna ask Miss Watts about that and also doctor E. E. Glazer,
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: and I wanted to ask about They didn't tell me
• 45:25
  Speaker 11: about the patch.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: My husband told me you.
• 45:26
  Speaker 11: Should ask for the past because he watches a lot
• 45:28
  Speaker 11: of YouTube.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: So then I was like, Okay, I will ask.
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: For the pats because I just got the pills yesterday.
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: So I didn't know that you could do something with
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: the menopause. And that's my question, Like, how do I know?
• 45:42
  Speaker 11: And talk to the doctor because doctor, long story short,
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: the doctor said tried to get me not to take.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Anything at all. Female doctor.
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: Sorry anyways, but you know that was like crazy for
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: me to think, like, Okay, you want cancer, you want
• 45:59
  Speaker 11: a heart attack, you wants stroke. I'm like, well, those
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: don't sound really nice to me, but I have to try.
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: I have to try and can moderate and blah blah
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: blah blah.
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: I'm yeah, but is your question that your doctor won't
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: prescribe it to you.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: She just got the pill.
• 46:15
  Speaker 12: She's just just got a pill.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: But it sounds like she was dissuaded. Oh got it
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: from trying.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: You know, you should address the hormone therapy.
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: But I think that you know, this is what we
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: were talking about when we said that two thousand and
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: two study that there are still a lot of doctors
• 46:30
  Speaker 8: that aren't educated about it. Some of the doctors get
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: a week a month of training in medical school, so
• 46:36
  Speaker 8: when a doctor gave you those kind of answers like
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: you're going to have a stroke or heart attack. There
• 46:41
  Speaker 8: they're using what they believe was evidence of that study,
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: which has been you know, been shown not to be
• 46:48
  Speaker 8: the case. So I'm glad that you're someplace now with
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: a doctor that's listening to you. And kudos to your husband,
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: because men need to be part of this conversation for sure.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: So that's a good point.
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: That's amazing that he did that.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Oh well, that's even better.
• 47:02
  Speaker 12: Hey, do more too, More, Lorraine, what do you have
• 47:05
  Speaker 12: up there?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Make it good?
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Make it good, ladies.
• 47:07
  Speaker 15: Okay, so we have Madeline up here with a really
• 47:10
  Speaker 15: good question about supporting Hello.
• 47:13
  Speaker 16: Hey, Jenny, you look better than the ten You look
• 47:16
  Speaker 16: like you lost ten years since the ten years ago
• 47:18
  Speaker 16: I saw you last.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: I'm wondering how.
• 47:21
  Speaker 16: We can best support our moms and the wiser women
• 47:24
  Speaker 16: of the world, as the younger generations as they're going
• 47:28
  Speaker 16: through this transition that is clearly so powerful and important
• 47:31
  Speaker 16: in our one.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: That's a good question. I don't think I was very
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: supportive with my mom. I was like, I shut it down.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to hear about it. I didn't want
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: to know about it, I'd be like, Okay, bye. But
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I think my girls, I think there's so much more
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: open to They know that it takes a village and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: that we're all in this together, and they know that
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: my future is their future, and so there's such a
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: different level of compassion and empathy I think with this
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: younger generation, at least for my experience. And I'm so
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: grateful for that because I don't want to suffer in silence.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I don't want to feel alone in this journey, and
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I want to, you know, be an example for them,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: even through menopause.
• 48:20
  Speaker 12: Okay, this is I've been told this is a really
• 48:22
  Speaker 12: good one.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Make it juicy, it's the contact.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Get sexy.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Make it sexy.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Hi, So my question is this. Listen.
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: I've got estradel on my face, in my vagina, I've
• 48:35
  Speaker 13: got a patch, I've got pagesterone, I've got testosterone cream,
• 48:40
  Speaker 13: I've got thy worid.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: How I'm fifty seven.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: How long do you have to be on this forever?
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: That's a good question I want to know too.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a lot of stuff.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: I've got my obgyn in New York it's seventy and
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: she's still on it, still on it, and she's yeah,
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: strongly an advocate of it if it's safe for you.
• 49:06
  Speaker 13: Is it strongly still based on our blood work anymore?
• 49:09
  Speaker 13: Or is it just we just have to keep doing
• 49:11
  Speaker 13: it because your body's used to it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: What was the last part of the question.
• 49:15
  Speaker 13: Or is it because our bodies now reliant a little
• 49:17
  Speaker 13: bit on the.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: It's it's not like it's it's reliant, but it's it's
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: not there. So you are infusing it with with a
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: certain amount of estrogen, progesterone, testosterone. That everything you mentioned,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: I agree with, Naomi. I think that And again there
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: could be something geographic. I really want to acknowledge that,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: you know, I think being you know, by coastal, being
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, I mean, I like to think that,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: you know, the institutions, at least that I'm familiar with,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: are are much more embracing and trying to stay more
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: up to date. But I see Objian's constantly reassessing the
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: North American menopause society, looking at guidelines every day, you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: basically tight trading to symptoms. Right, So in your I
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: mean that's why I would say, don't just go on
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: something and just stay on it for fifteen years, have
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: a constant assessment, constant conversation, acknowledge that you're changing, your
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: body's changing, and then you know, make little adjustments as necessary. Yeah.
• 50:13
  Speaker 13: I just wasn't sure if, like, when you got to postmenopause,
• 50:16
  Speaker 13: could you ease up or not?
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you do, but sometimes I've had patients who are
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: on a certain dose they go down and then all
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: of a sudden they have hot flashes, you know. Again,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: So it's it's a little bit of a of a
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: give and take.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Friends.
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: I was just going to say, I'm perimenopause's oh thank you.
• 50:30
  Speaker 8: I was going to say, a perimenopause is not that
• 50:32
  Speaker 8: test because your hormones are fluctuating. But if you're on testosterone,
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: blood tests would be something smart, right.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Just depending on which way you're giving, you're getting it.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Yep, we have time for one one more, one last question.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: They're so good, take it.
• 50:45
  Speaker 6: Good, make it juicy?
• 50:47
  Speaker 12: Can we have to do dirty stuff when we're eighty?
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Can you do that?
• 50:54
  Speaker 17: Hi?
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: My question is for the doctor.
• 50:56
  Speaker 17: I'm Chrystelle and i am sixty five, so I'm way
• 51:00
  Speaker 17: past that. But I've had a breast cancer scare already
• 51:04
  Speaker 17: and they just said it's progesterin and estrogen fed, so
• 51:12
  Speaker 17: replacements were out of the question. And I'm not I'm okay.
• 51:16
  Speaker 17: I mean there's sleep disruption part of its work related.
• 51:20
  Speaker 17: But what other options? You said there is something that's.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Right, well, depending I mean depending on your symptoms. So
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: this is to me where having the conversation and I
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: really want to, you know, put a pitch in for
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: finding that trusted provider. And they come in lots of
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: different forms, so whether they're your osteopath, your nurse, your doctor,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: your therapist. But I do think that having that conversation
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: because there are other options. I mean there's you know,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: amazing topicals, right and you have amazing you know, products
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: on that you've developed. I think there's and I would
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: talk to perhaps other patients friends who are in the
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: same boat. But for example, if you're not having terrible
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: hot flashes, you might not need estrogen, right, So I
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: think it's really about what's bothering you, And then it's
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: like we could we do that risk benefit calculus with
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: you and then and then decide what's what's best. Do
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: you even need anything or or not, you know, and
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: what's what's best for you. And I think that's a
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: big point of this is that it's again universal and
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: we're lucky to go through it, we're lucky to be
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: here to talk about it. But it's also incredibly singular.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: You know what what you go through as well, so
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: you have to find what works for you.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I think it's just so important to
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: never make a decision in crisis mode. So much like
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: with the wildfires, when you see the fire raiging towards
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: your home, have a plan in place. Same thing with menopause.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Have a plan in place. Because it's coming, there's no
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: denying it, and we want to be ready for it.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: So I think that it's.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: From listening to brave women like you and such great
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: education from doctor Eve, that we can all prepare ourselves
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit better and know how to take care
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: of ourselves and to choose ourselves in the future or present.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: And I just want to thank you all three of
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: you for being here. You're inspirational. What you've done for
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: the conversation is I don't have words for how grateful
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I am for you to bring this to all of
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: us and to my children, my daughters.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: So thank you for being here, thank you, thank you,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: thank you for having us. Really, let's give it up.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Let's give it up for our marvel
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: At menopause, Mavens, and thank you, Tamson Nailmi, doctor Glazer,