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'Vigilante Dad' charged with felony when he attacks grown man in middle-school daughter's bed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: I catchy guy and my daughter or my son's room
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. Yeah, if I had
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Speaker 1: a gun, I'd shoot him, shoot him dead, no doubt
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Speaker 1: about it. So why is a guy being charged with
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Speaker 1: a felony for beating and shooting at a guy, a
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Speaker 1: grown man he finds in his little girl's bedroom in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night. I don't get it, and
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Speaker 1: I think it's wrong. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let's
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Speaker 1: kick it off with Atlanta Fox five News reporter Doug
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Speaker 1: Evans coweeda County father. He is under arrest tonight, charged
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Speaker 1: with aggravated assault after what he allegedly did to a
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Speaker 1: man he found in his fourteen year old bedroom. Investigators
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Speaker 1: say they're sympathetic with the dad's anger, which included knocking
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Speaker 1: out some teeth, but as Fox Eyes Doug Evans reports tonight,
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Speaker 1: they say he crossed a legal line when he fired shots.
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Speaker 1: A lot of dads might say they do the same
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Speaker 1: thing as this mail Cassiez did when he found a
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Speaker 1: grown man inside his fourteen year old daughter's bedroom, and
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Speaker 1: that is to beat that man bloody, even knocked out
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Speaker 1: some teeth. But investigators say there's only so much Georgia
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Speaker 1: law allows and they say the dad crossed the line.
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Speaker 1: I completely disagree. The guy better be glad he's not dead.
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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to break you down
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Speaker 1: and put it back together again. First of all, you
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Speaker 1: know this name jodi Arius. What about the name kirk
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Speaker 1: Nurmi who was assigned to represent Jodi Arius at the
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Speaker 1: murder trial where she was ultimately convicted in the murder
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Speaker 1: of her lover, Travis Alexander, jodi Arius lawyer and author
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Speaker 1: of Trapped with miss Arius Parts two and three. My
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Speaker 1: final words, I doubt that On Amazon kirk Nermi is
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Speaker 1: with us. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalysts, joining us out
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Speaker 1: of LA You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com. Cheryl McCullum, Director of the Cold Case Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: and crime scene expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: But right now to special guests joining us, Ray Caputo,
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Speaker 1: Lead anchor W dbo Ray, just let's start with the
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Speaker 1: father going into his daughter's room and there is a
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Speaker 1: grown member, a grown man at nighttime in his daughter's room.
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Speaker 1: Oh holy comin ancy was scary. Zough. Yeah, this happened
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Speaker 1: early morning hours of fourth of Julyants exactly what you explained,
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Speaker 1: Ishmael to see us. He heard something and like any dad,
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Speaker 1: he gets up lose his daughter's door. Into his surprise,
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Speaker 1: there's a man, a twenty year old man that he
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Speaker 1: has no clue who this guy is inside the bed
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Speaker 1: when his fourteen year old daughter. So he does what
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Speaker 1: a lot of dad's would do. He literally flipped out.
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Speaker 1: I guess he did. Joining me Kurt Nurmi Bethany Marshall's
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum just got Morgan straight out toys. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: I don't understand what the problem is. I mean, I've
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Speaker 1: seen the picture of the suspect. Well, to me, he's
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Speaker 1: a suspect. According to the police, the dad is a suspect.
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Speaker 1: Key Humphries. Yeah, he's I'm looking at him right now.
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Speaker 1: He's got a band aid on his face. He's got
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Speaker 1: a blow to the lip under the eyes. He's lucky,
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Speaker 1: that's all he's got. Cheryl McCollum. He's lucky. He's breathing. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: If the dad had gotten to the weapon before he
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Speaker 1: got to him. It might have been a different story.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about a twenty year old who drove two
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Speaker 1: hours after meeting a child on Xbox to get into
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Speaker 1: her house. And that's a question I have. Did he
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Speaker 1: come through a door through a window? Because I'm telling
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Speaker 1: you he knew exactly what he was there to do.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about what you just said, Joseph Scott, Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor forensic Jacksonville State University. Jo Scott, Let's talk about,
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Speaker 1: first of all, how they met. This is not and
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it makes it any better. This is
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Speaker 1: not a high school boyfriend and they're making out and
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Speaker 1: he climbed through the window. This is a grown man.
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Speaker 1: She meets online. This little girl, let's see, that would
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Speaker 1: put her in about the seventh grade. She meets a
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Speaker 1: guy online and then he's in her bedroom in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the night. How do we prove that's how
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Speaker 1: they met? Well, I think that it's very simple. From
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Speaker 1: what I understand, they actually met through a gaming system
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Speaker 1: Xbox and she was playing on line. Does that send
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Speaker 1: a chill up your spine or what? Because you don't
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Speaker 1: know who's behind you know, the screen relative to this
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Speaker 1: and so there will be a way to track this
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Speaker 1: because they go into groups, they have a specific handle
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Speaker 1: that they use or name, and so this is how
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Speaker 1: they're going to track this guy down. And then you
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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen Nancy. You know, he has
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Speaker 1: been engaging in her, uh with with the phone, and
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Speaker 1: so they're going to track him through this. There's any
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Speaker 1: number of ways that they can pinpoint his activity with her,
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Speaker 1: not just that night, but leading up to these you know,
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Speaker 1: to to this event. You know, they had to arrange this.
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Speaker 1: He when you're on Xbox, you're not gonna know where
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Speaker 1: this person specifically lives. So my thought is is that
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Speaker 1: he here's that word, he's probably been grooming her for
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Speaker 1: a while. You know what's interesting. I was going to
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Speaker 1: go on another tangent, Doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanais joining me
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Speaker 1: out of Beverly Hills, Doctor Bethany. I was to go
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Speaker 1: on the a tangent about what's happening online. But I'll
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Speaker 1: follow up with that in just a second. But what
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Speaker 1: he just said is correct. Joseph Scott Morgan that this
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Speaker 1: grown man found in this little girl's bedroom in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the night and he took a beating and
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Speaker 1: the dad, I bet you fired shots in the air
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Speaker 1: as he took off. But now the dad is charged.
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Speaker 1: How bass ackwards is that? But doctor Bethany, I think
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Speaker 1: that it is instinctive. I don't think that this grown
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Speaker 1: man by the name of Key Humphreys said, oh, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna groom this little girl. I think it's an instinctive thing,
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Speaker 1: like the lion edges up to the fringe of the
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Speaker 1: watering hole and sees the gazelle. I don't think that
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Speaker 1: he's plotting it methodically. I think it's instinctual that he
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Speaker 1: starts talking to the little girl and they're texting on
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Speaker 1: back and forth, and they're in a chat room on Xbox.
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Speaker 1: But that's how it happens, whether it's planned out or not.
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Speaker 1: I think Joseph Scott Morgan is correct. I think he
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Speaker 1: groomed her. Nancy, You're absolutely correct. You know what's interesting,
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Speaker 1: I just went to a neuroscience conference with the world
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Speaker 1: renowned neuroscientists. He said the exact same thing you did
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Speaker 1: about predatory behavior. He said that it's not thought out.
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Speaker 1: He said it was like a lion on the savannah
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Speaker 1: that is just sitting there at my idea. Yeah, because
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Speaker 1: at crime online and our COVID crimes, don't be a
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Speaker 1: victims how I open the whole thing. But he's right,
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Speaker 1: and it's instinctive, and I think that Joe Scott Morgan
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Speaker 1: is correct. Now. I was just gonna go off on
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Speaker 1: a different tangent and tell you and Cheryl McCollum, who
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Speaker 1: have lived through my entire pregnancy in the last twelve
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Speaker 1: year with the children with me, Okay, the twins, my
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Speaker 1: twins are twelve. At night, I will fall asleep on
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Speaker 1: the edge of John David's bed, and because I'm watching
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Speaker 1: him during the summer, not during the school year, he's
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Speaker 1: playing online and I say who are you playing with?
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Speaker 1: And he'll tell me or he'll say it's a random person.
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Speaker 1: So then I had to listen to make sure he
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Speaker 1: doesn't say his name, or his school, or his city
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Speaker 1: or anything that would identify him. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: scare him, but that's how sneaky it is. Don't worry
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Speaker 1: and about I want to clock like I'll wake up
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Speaker 1: and go and fall asleep in my own bed. Climb
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about if
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Speaker 1: this is the law, then the law is an ass
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Speaker 1: and yes, I gave up cursing when I gave birth,
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Speaker 1: but it's called for this time because a Georgia dad
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Speaker 1: is now charged after beating a grown man he finds
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Speaker 1: in his little girl, fourteen year old girl bedroom. He
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Speaker 1: knocked out his teeth and fired a gun. I notice
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Speaker 1: it doesn't say at the perpetrator as he fled. Major
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Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor, and W dbo Ray, what
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Speaker 1: more can you tell us about the injuries this guy
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Speaker 1: the purp sustained Key HUMPHRIESE. Well, Nancy, I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: what this was one angry dad. I'm looking at a
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Speaker 1: picture a key right now, and his lips are swollen.
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Speaker 1: He had some teeth knocked out, a chip two, his
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Speaker 1: eyes are swollen, he's got cuts. I mean, this was
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Speaker 1: a pretty vicious beating, and like one of your guests
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Speaker 1: said earlier, I think he's just lucky to be breathing
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Speaker 1: right now. I would not have one wanted to bend
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Speaker 1: in his position. You know, I'm looking at him as well.
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Speaker 1: Notice he was not shot. Take a listen now to
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Speaker 1: our friends Atlanta Fox five. A lot of dads might
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Speaker 1: say they do the same thing as Ismail Cassius did
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Speaker 1: when he found a grown man inside his fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old daughter's bedroom, and that is to beat that man bloody,
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Speaker 1: even knocked out some teeth. But investigators say there's only
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Speaker 1: so much Georgia law allows, and they say the dad
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Speaker 1: crossed the line. Investigators say the two men first met
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Speaker 1: early July fourth morning in the bedroom of Cassius's fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old daughter. Investigators say in a rage, the dad
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Speaker 1: severely beat and choked Humphries, even chipped and knocked out
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Speaker 1: some teeth, and if it had stopped their investigators say
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Speaker 1: the dad might not be facing any charges. But they
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Speaker 1: say Ismael Cassius asked his wife for a gun, and
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Speaker 1: they say after the twenty year old jount Yard and
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Speaker 1: continued the beating, threatening his life and firing shots through
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood as the young man ran away. Investigators say
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Speaker 1: that is where because he has crossed the line. Okay,
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Speaker 1: do you kirk Nermy, you're the renowned defense attorney. Tell
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Speaker 1: me what this dad did wrong in the eyes of
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Speaker 1: the state, because I don't see it. The guy better
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Speaker 1: be glad he didn't get a beautiful of buckshot. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'd be right with you. But up until the point
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Speaker 1: when the bullets start flying, and that's where the investigators
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Speaker 1: in the law has a problem with it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: let's face it, if we're attacking mister Humphries, that's great,
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Speaker 1: no problem, he's defending his daughter's anger is justifiable. But
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Speaker 1: when you start throwing bullets into the air, the justifiable
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Speaker 1: anger doesn't mitigate the damage that that could do to
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Speaker 1: another human being. Didn't any damage, and he didn't point
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Speaker 1: it at this guy. He didn't point it at the intruder.
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Speaker 1: But we have laws, you know, Arizon, we have Shannon's Law.
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Speaker 1: Shooting up in the air. We know these things happen,
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Speaker 1: they can cause damage. I'm sure Joe Scott Morgan can
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Speaker 1: talked about many cases like this. Bullets are bullets when
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Speaker 1: regardless when they're flying around, they can do a lot
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Speaker 1: of damage the innocent human bodies. And that is undoubtedly
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Speaker 1: crossing the line. What if the dad thought the guy
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Speaker 1: was coming back, he was no immediate thread at that
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Speaker 1: point in time, that's when we call the cops, like
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Speaker 1: the investigators say and their stories, call us, let us
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Speaker 1: take over. If he came back, that's one thing, but
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Speaker 1: he's going away at this point in time, even though
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Speaker 1: his anger is justified. The dad here is just throwing
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Speaker 1: bullets around and possibly harming other innocent people. But Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: he didn't harm anyone. And this guy, the intreator, is
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Speaker 1: still on his property. You know, I may have to
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Speaker 1: make a cameo appearance as a defense attorney in this
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Speaker 1: case because you know, Cheryl jumped in place. What jury
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Speaker 1: is going to convict his dad? Oh, it ain't gonna happen.
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Speaker 1: They are not guy to County Georgia. He's not going
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Speaker 1: to be convicted of anything. The predator wheel, the child
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Speaker 1: molestra wheel. But they're about the law. The minute the
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Speaker 1: threat stops, you're supposed to stop the behavior. Well he doesn't.
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Speaker 1: He gets the gun and fires in the air. Guy
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Speaker 1: is still in the front yard. Why not shoot up
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Speaker 1: in the air. He's running away. So there's there's legally
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Speaker 1: nurse there. That's your story. Well, let me be clear, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and I will say again there are some things worth
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Speaker 1: going to jail. Four And if a twenty year old
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Speaker 1: was in my fourteen year old daughter's bedroom in her bed,
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Speaker 1: oh honey, I'd walk in that jail's proud as can be. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm here. Y'all been waiting on me. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: no there's nothing that I could do except basically blackout.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I would lose it, and I
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Speaker 1: would I would start shooting and possibly try to run
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Speaker 1: him over. It wouldn't end for me either. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Atlanta Fox five. There's a line,
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Speaker 1: you know he can't cross. We can't cross. There's a
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Speaker 1: stopping point when somebody's no longer a threat to you.
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Speaker 1: My advice would be let it go and contact us
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Speaker 1: and let us handle it. Don't taken into your own hands.
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Speaker 1: Investigators have also charged can Want to us As Humphries
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Speaker 1: with child molestation. They say he was in a relationship
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Speaker 1: with the fourteen year old girl and climbed through her
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Speaker 1: bedroom window. Investigators say Humphries is known as Manman because
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Speaker 1: of his age and the girls. They are pursuing a
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Speaker 1: six crime investigation and more charges are possible. We've gathered
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Speaker 1: phone evidence from the young lady. The young man's phone
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Speaker 1: has been looked at, and those are things that we're
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Speaker 1: still looking into as to possibly further further charges. The
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Speaker 1: dad was taken into custody that morning on July fourth,
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Speaker 1: they say, after identifying and locating Manman Humphries, he was
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Speaker 1: taken into custody in Putnam County Thursday night. Okay, let's
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Speaker 1: talk about what we just heard. A relationship, you know,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. Children cannot buy cigarettes, they cannot buy alcohol.
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Speaker 1: They can't drive a car. They can't buy a car,
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Speaker 1: even if they have a million dollars in their bank account.
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Speaker 1: They can't buy a home, they can't legally work. Why
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Speaker 1: because they don't have the mental wherewithal to do any
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Speaker 1: of those things, to enter into a contract. Also, they
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Speaker 1: cannot enter into a sex relationship with an adult. That's
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Speaker 1: called statutory rate. And right there, that speaker was dead wrong.
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Speaker 1: This is not a young lady. This is a child
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Speaker 1: in the eyes of the law. This little girl's only
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Speaker 1: about a year older than my little Lucy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Lucy's still in the kitchen at one o'clock making cookies,
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Speaker 1: doing a TikTok. She shudn't know anything about a sex relationship,
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Speaker 1: I pray to God. But long story short, it's because
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Speaker 1: she's not capable to enter in to that kind of relationship.
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Speaker 1: So why are they referred to her as a young
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Speaker 1: lady and the two having a relationship. That is bs. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: there were all kinds of things wrong with that report
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Speaker 1: we just heard. You said you wanted to dissect it.
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Speaker 1: The other thing they said is that why did the
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Speaker 1: father shoot the gun when the young man no longer
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Speaker 1: pose this threat? Who's to say that just because Manman
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Speaker 1: was running off the property, he wasn't going to run
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Speaker 1: right back the minute the dad wasn't looking. Do you
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Speaker 1: know what the most common age of a child molester is,
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Speaker 1: according to the research, age thirteen. That is the age
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Speaker 1: when molesters begin to molest and most frequently a combination
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Speaker 1: of poor impulse control, hormones and when the compulsion begins.
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Speaker 1: So our listeners and the jury and whoever gets involved
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Speaker 1: in this should not be confused by the fact that
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Speaker 1: Man Man is only twenty years old. I would be
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Speaker 1: interested to know how long the talking about Man Man
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Speaker 1: the intruder is only twenty This little girl is about
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Speaker 1: in the seventh or eighth grade crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I feel like the world has turned upside down right
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Speaker 1: here because a dad in Calweeda County, Georgia has been
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Speaker 1: charged with attacking an intruder that was found in his
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Speaker 1: daughter's room in the middle of the night. Now, let
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Speaker 1: me understand something, Ray Kimputo, lead news anchor w DBO. Ray,
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Speaker 1: was he in the bed with the little girl? I'd
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Speaker 1: assume that he jumped out of the bed from from
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Speaker 1: what I understand. If he jumped out of the bed,
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Speaker 1: that means he was in the bed. Okay, As I
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Speaker 1: used to tell my gerars Joe Scott Morgan, nothing good
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Speaker 1: happens after midnight. Okay, If he jumped out of the bed,
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Speaker 1: that means that he was once in the bed with
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Speaker 1: the fourteen year old girl. There's nothing good about that. No,
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Speaker 1: there's not. And I got to tell you my head
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Speaker 1: is going to explode in a second. Over my left
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Speaker 1: eye could be having a struggle. If this guy is
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Speaker 1: referred to as man man one more time, he's an
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Speaker 1: adult male. I don't know who hung this moniker on him,
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Speaker 1: this nickname. He is far from being a man. He's
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Speaker 1: an adult male that was in the bedroom with a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old child that I guarantee you he didn't
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Speaker 1: come over to play video games. And they've already stated
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Speaker 1: that they had a relationship. What kind of relationship he's
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Speaker 1: physically present in the room. And I guarantee you one
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Speaker 1: more thing, if anything's going on in there, there'll be
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Speaker 1: DNA that's left behind. Now, my understanding is that there's
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Speaker 1: more charges pending on this guy, you know, and he's
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Speaker 1: very lucky to still be drawing breath. I gotta tell you,
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Speaker 1: this guy, the father showed miraculous restraint in the first place,
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Speaker 1: that he showed mercy to this guy, or maybe the
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Speaker 1: guy wiggled free. I gotta tell you, I don't think
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Speaker 1: that there's a jury in America that would that would
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Speaker 1: make these charges stick in a in a case, I
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Speaker 1: don't see it going forward like that. But this guy
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Speaker 1: is a straight up perpetrator that came and not only
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Speaker 1: did he it's not like he walked down the street, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: he drove two hours to perpetrate this crime against a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old child. Yeah, this is where I wanted
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Speaker 1: to add something to what Joe Scotte just said about
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Speaker 1: the charges. There was a case here in Florida a
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago where a stepdad walked in and
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Speaker 1: found his eighteen year old step son molesting his son. Now,
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Speaker 1: the father beat this this eighteen year old stepson senseless.
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Speaker 1: Now I've seen pictures of the eighteen year old from
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Speaker 1: Volusia County, and he looks ten times worse. The difference
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Speaker 1: through the father never fired shot, he never got in trouble,
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Speaker 1: and in fact, the community celebrated this guy as a hero.
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Speaker 1: The only difference the gun wasn't pulled out. Well. The
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Speaker 1: mother in this case says that her husband did not
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Speaker 1: know whether the intruder had raped their daughter, whether he
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Speaker 1: was trying to kidnap her, whether it was going to
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Speaker 1: develop into a return home invasion. I mean, a good
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Speaker 1: defense attorney is going to be able to chew these
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Speaker 1: charges up and spit them out on a silver platter
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Speaker 1: and serve them to the prosecutor for dessert. That's what
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Speaker 1: could happen in this case if you got a good
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Speaker 1: defense lawyer. I want to point out also, this is not,
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Speaker 1: as Ray Kaputo was pointing out, by far, the first
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Speaker 1: time a vigilante dad has been prosecuted. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to a true story about Jeff Ducett. Ducett, a karate instructor,
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Speaker 1: had abducted eleven year old Jodie Plochet several weeks earlier
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Speaker 1: and taken him to California. When Jody was rescued and
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Speaker 1: returned to his family, his father, Gary was coping with
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Speaker 1: reports that Dussette had sexually assaulted his son. We didn't
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Speaker 1: know what to do. You just feel helpless. Ten days later,
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Speaker 1: when the police flew Ducette back to face trial, Gary
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Speaker 1: Plochet was waiting with a gun as a suspect came
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Speaker 1: through the airport already my camera raced it up to
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Speaker 1: get a close up shot at him. As I got
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Speaker 1: a close up shot, and as he got parallel to me,
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Speaker 1: Gary Cloche shoots. That's right. I will never forget when
21:49
Speaker 1: this happens. The karate instructor abducts, abducts a little boy,
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Speaker 1: molest him. When he is apprehended and brought back. This
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Speaker 1: dad is waiting at the airport and as the karate
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Speaker 1: instructor walks by, he shoots him. I remember that like
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Speaker 1: it was yesterday. And then of course take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this story out of Alabama, a defense lawyer says
22:13
Speaker 1: authorities are overreacting with a murder charge against a Coleman
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Speaker 1: County man charging killing his daughter's sexual abuser. Forty one
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Speaker 1: year old Jay Mayner is charged with the shooting death
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Speaker 1: of fifty nine year old Raymond Earl Brooks. The family
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Speaker 1: says that Brooks was sexually abusing Mayner's daughter, who is
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Speaker 1: now speaking out about the incident. I was so so young.
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Speaker 1: I don't remember when it started, but when I finally
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Speaker 1: told someone I was eight, for the first time in
22:41
Speaker 1: my life, I do not feel scared. For the first
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Speaker 1: time in my life, I do not wake up feeling fear.
22:48
Speaker 1: Coleman County investigators couldn't confirm whether the two thousand and
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Speaker 1: two sex abuse case had any connection to the shooting,
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Speaker 1: but Brooks was a registered sex offender. The Coleman County
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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office reports Jay Mayner will be charged with first
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Speaker 1: degree murder, attempted murder, and shooting into an occupied dwelling. Guys,
23:06
Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, we are talking
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Speaker 1: about a Georgia dad that is now being charged with
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Speaker 1: a felony after he beats bloody and intruder. He catches
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Speaker 1: in his daughter, his little girl's bitch. He's in the
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Speaker 1: seventh or eighth grade. It's a grown man, and we
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Speaker 1: believe he came in through the home window after grooming
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Speaker 1: the little girl on Xbox. I guess in a chat
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Speaker 1: room you can go into. As the guy is running,
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Speaker 1: the dad shoots shots up in the air, fires a
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Speaker 1: gun in the air. Now he's charged with aggravated assault.
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Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor w DBO is that he
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Speaker 1: charged with Agasalt is at the correct charge on the dad. Yes,
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Speaker 1: And you know in that jurisdiction, Sharyl McCollum, Agasoult can
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Speaker 1: be twenty twenty years behind bars. That's just outrageous and
24:03
Speaker 1: it's wrong. It can it's never gonna happen, and he's
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Speaker 1: never gonna go a trial. I want to break down
24:09
Speaker 1: the real perpetrator, and that's the child molester here. I
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Speaker 1: want people to understand what he had to do over
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Speaker 1: Xbox to even begin to start grooming her. So he
24:19
Speaker 1: picked her out by her voice first. He hadn't seen
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Speaker 1: her yet, so he knows she's a child by the
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Speaker 1: way she talks. Then he is probably exchanging photographs with her.
24:30
Speaker 1: We may be looking at it child porn. He may
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Speaker 1: have got her to send a picture because he drove
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Speaker 1: two hours to get what he wanted to get, what
24:39
Speaker 1: he's selected. Please keep that in mind. When he entered
24:43
Speaker 1: through her bedroom, winda not a door. That's burglary. He
24:47
Speaker 1: entered that home illegally with the intent to commit Elanie,
24:50
Speaker 1: they're in and I'm gonna tell you something else. Somebody
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Speaker 1: fourteen cannot give you permission to enter that home. So
24:56
Speaker 1: he's going to look at additional charges if I were
24:58
Speaker 1: the prosecutor, and then to look at it. You know, Mitten,
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Speaker 1: you know job lestation is statutory rape, and lord knows
25:05
Speaker 1: what else. But I want to say something every predator
25:08
Speaker 1: was listening to this show right now, because there's probably
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Speaker 1: a bunch of them, because then this is just pullorn
25:13
Speaker 1: that ass whoop and manman got is what every one
25:16
Speaker 1: of y'all deserve every single time y'all pull something like this.
25:20
Speaker 1: Can I add to what Cheryl just said something really
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Speaker 1: important That the offending doesn't just start with all it
25:26
Speaker 1: doesn't end with all the behavior. I'll just talked about,
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Speaker 1: grooming online, sending pictures back and forth, knowing that the
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Speaker 1: victim was only fourteen, That is just the beginning. These
25:38
Speaker 1: perpetrators get obsessed with their victims, sometimes for an entire lifetime.
25:42
Speaker 1: I had a patient who was predated upon by a
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Speaker 1: priest from the time he was eight years old to
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Speaker 1: twenty six years of age. By the time he got
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Speaker 1: into my practice at age thirty, the priest was still
25:54
Speaker 1: harassing him, contacting him, trying to have a relationship with him.
25:59
Speaker 1: So twenty year old perpetrator, there's you know, he could
26:03
Speaker 1: still be obsessed with this fourteen year old victim. You know,
26:06
Speaker 1: there's a reason why the father fired shots. There's a
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Speaker 1: reason why fathers kill these perpetrators, because as long as
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Speaker 1: these perpetrators are alive, they keep predating upon the victims.
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Speaker 1: You just heard sound from one girl who said that
26:22
Speaker 1: finally she had some peace, that she felt that the
26:26
Speaker 1: perpetrator was not going to be obsessed with her. Even
26:29
Speaker 1: behind bars, these perpetrators tried to reach out to the victims.
26:34
Speaker 1: So it's not just the sex, Nancy, it's what we
26:38
Speaker 1: call interpersonal offending, where they continue to want to have
26:42
Speaker 1: a relationship with a victim. That's why these perts have
26:45
Speaker 1: to be put away for a long long time. Crime
26:58
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, guys were talking about a Georgia
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Speaker 1: dad who is now facing a felony charge in twenty
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Speaker 1: years behind bars for beating and then chooting up in
27:08
Speaker 1: the air when a man took off after dad finds
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Speaker 1: him in his little girl's bedroom in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the night. After entering the home through the window, we
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Speaker 1: find out he had been grooming the little girl on Xbox.
27:23
Speaker 1: And now the dad is the one that's charged. I
27:26
Speaker 1: don't get it, you know, doctor Bethany Marshall. For a minute,
27:34
Speaker 1: one minute, when I was a prosecutor, I got convinced
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Speaker 1: by a group of doctors, shrinks, no offense, a defense
27:43
Speaker 1: lawyer that a sex offender could be cured. Okay, this
27:48
Speaker 1: was a dad that had molested his little girl. The
27:52
Speaker 1: mother told me this was the only time it had
27:55
Speaker 1: ever happened. And I looked into a treatment program, a
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Speaker 1: lockdown treatment program for sex offenders. Never again. I don't
28:10
Speaker 1: think sex offenders can be cured, especially pedophiles. I don't
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Speaker 1: know why, I always say, Bethany, And you've heard me
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Speaker 1: saved a million times, Cheryl McCollum. You've been in the
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Speaker 1: trenches with me and Joe Scott Morgan, peeping tom's, don't laugh,
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Speaker 1: burglars and sex offenders they can't be cured. Don't know why,
28:35
Speaker 1: but I know that to be true. I don't need
28:37
Speaker 1: a statistic to tell me that this guy, As you're saying,
28:42
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. And we also know the stats that every
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Speaker 1: one time and child lester's caught, they have perpetrated up
28:50
Speaker 1: to a hundred times for every one time they're caught.
28:55
Speaker 1: I don't think they can be cured, doctor Bethany. And
28:57
Speaker 1: according to one prison study, enders, sex offenders a fend
29:02
Speaker 1: for approximately thirteen years before they come to the attention
29:06
Speaker 1: of law enforcement. A sexual orientation towards children is a
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Speaker 1: fixed orientation, just like whether you're attracted to a man
29:16
Speaker 1: or a woman. You know, whoever your sexual preference is,
29:19
Speaker 1: it's there from birth. It's hard, there's little you can't
29:24
Speaker 1: really question a three or a four year old about
29:27
Speaker 1: their sexual preferences. You know, there's obviously we can't do that,
29:30
Speaker 1: but we do know it's a fixed sexual preference. For
29:33
Speaker 1: some reason, hetaphilia turns into a compulsion, into a perversion,
29:39
Speaker 1: and so it's not just a sexual preference that can
29:42
Speaker 1: be contained. Like say a priest who goes into the
29:45
Speaker 1: priesthood and decides, you know, I'm never going to have
29:48
Speaker 1: sex again. I'm going to be celibate because I want
29:50
Speaker 1: to focus on my relationship with God. That's not how
29:53
Speaker 1: sex offenders work. They are obsessed with children and Nancy
29:57
Speaker 1: not only do they have sex with children, but they
30:00
Speaker 1: groomed them for interpersonal relationships. It's the interpersonal exploitation that
30:05
Speaker 1: is so painful. This perpetrator that the dad shot at Humphries,
30:11
Speaker 1: he made this little girl believe that she could be
30:17
Speaker 1: in a special relationship with him. He probably in a
30:21
Speaker 1: paranoid way, turned her against her parents. He told her
30:25
Speaker 1: that he understood her better than anyone else did. He
30:29
Speaker 1: caught her heart, and in some ways, now that her
30:33
Speaker 1: father beat him up and shot at him, she's going
30:36
Speaker 1: to feel so conflicted and guilty. Do you know that
30:39
Speaker 1: a sex crime against the child is considered the one
30:43
Speaker 1: trauma that colors the child into adult and affects the
30:48
Speaker 1: child into adult life both physiologically and psychologically, more than
30:53
Speaker 1: any other kind of trauma. And it's not just repeated
30:56
Speaker 1: offenses against the child. It's a one time of that
31:00
Speaker 1: it's considered our one time experience of being molested is
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Speaker 1: considered enough to color the adult the child's psyche for
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Speaker 1: the rest of their life. And I don't think it's
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Speaker 1: necessarily the physical act, although that's horrible enough. It's that
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Speaker 1: feeling of powerlessness that the child. They go through life
31:22
Speaker 1: feeling that way, and it changes everything. Guys, this is
31:25
Speaker 1: not the first time a dad has attacked an intruder.
31:31
Speaker 1: Take a listen to a true story about Aaron Latowski.
31:35
Speaker 1: For Aaron Latowski, his sole responsibility is protecting his wife,
31:39
Speaker 1: three kids, and their nanny. Don't forget the family dog, Sadie,
31:43
Speaker 1: who Latowski says alerted him late last night to a
31:46
Speaker 1: break in, and so I came inside and I saw
31:48
Speaker 1: that one of our side doors was open, and she
31:50
Speaker 1: was barking down the hall towards my kid's bedrooms. Right away,
31:56
Speaker 1: Latowski says, he grabbed his shotgun. Meanwhile, the rest of
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Speaker 1: the family was a sleep We never would have known.
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Speaker 1: We would have continue to sleep and sleep through it.
32:04
Speaker 1: So I'm just so thankful. The Tawski went into his
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Speaker 1: daughter's room, where he says the suspect came out with
32:09
Speaker 1: a large piece of wood, his face masked and his
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Speaker 1: body naked, a large piece of wood. You know who.
32:15
Speaker 1: That reminds me of Ted Bundy because he used a
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Speaker 1: huge piece of wood to attack the girls in the
32:20
Speaker 1: coy Omega House at Tallahassee fsu. I mean, you walk
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Speaker 1: in and a guy is naked in your child's room.
32:28
Speaker 1: That was doctor Aaron Letowski describing what happened when he
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Speaker 1: attacked a meal intruder that he finds in his home
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, joining me an All
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Speaker 1: Star panel. Kirknermy Jodi Arius, lawyer and author trapped with
32:42
Speaker 1: miss Arius on Amazon. If you were defending this case,
32:47
Speaker 1: what would be your strategy? The case against the father,
32:51
Speaker 1: the case against the man who shot mister Humphrey. He
32:53
Speaker 1: did not shoot the Georgia case. He did not shoot
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Speaker 1: the intruder. He shot in the air when the guy
33:02
Speaker 1: was still in his front yard. Okay, that's my story,
33:06
Speaker 1: sticking to it all right, Well, Nancy, if I was
33:08
Speaker 1: defending him, I'd be smaking some of the arguments that
33:11
Speaker 1: have been advanced here in saying that, hey, listen, it
33:15
Speaker 1: was an ongoing threat. This was my concern that he
33:19
Speaker 1: was going to come back, that my family was still
33:21
Speaker 1: in jeopardy. Because that's the issue. The Georgia law clearly
33:27
Speaker 1: delineates the difference between vigilantijustice and protecting your family. And
33:33
Speaker 1: you want to hop on the side of protecting your
33:35
Speaker 1: family because that's lawful under Georgia law. And what about
33:39
Speaker 1: it just Scott Morgan. How can the defense of the
33:43
Speaker 1: dad not the intruder, used forensic evidence to his benefit. Well,
33:49
Speaker 1: I think that probably the most significant thing is Cheryl
33:52
Speaker 1: was talking about earlier, how did this guy gain entry
33:56
Speaker 1: into the house. And that's the physical part of it,
33:58
Speaker 1: you know, like where where he's left parts of himself
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Speaker 1: behind in trace evidence like clothing, hair fibers and also
34:07
Speaker 1: touched DNA. Also, is there a sexual component where he's
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Speaker 1: leaving behind his own fluids, maybe on the bed? You yes,
34:18
Speaker 1: I am okay you talk like that, Jo Scott. There
34:21
Speaker 1: gonna be no offense. But I mean, let's just use
34:24
Speaker 1: the technical term the guy statutory rate. This little girl
34:29
Speaker 1: is my assumption, because he's in the bed with a
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old girl. He didn't drive two hours and
34:34
Speaker 1: climbed through the window for a cup of hot chocolate
34:37
Speaker 1: with Marsha. But you're gonna have to separate. You're gonna
34:39
Speaker 1: have to separate the semen fluid from the blood which
34:45
Speaker 1: emanated from his body after he had his head handed
34:48
Speaker 1: to him by the dad. So that's going to be
34:50
Speaker 1: important because that shows he's there, and then you have
34:53
Speaker 1: this digital footprint that's left behind. Nancy and I got
34:55
Speaker 1: to tell you this is going to be the key
34:57
Speaker 1: to this case because it doesn't just happen in the
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Speaker 1: immediate This is something that can be demonstrated by attorneys
35:05
Speaker 1: like you that are prepared. They can show this grooming
35:08
Speaker 1: that's taken place. They can show that this isn't that
35:11
Speaker 1: this thing evolved. You know, you can actually profile this
35:14
Speaker 1: guy off of this going all the way back from
35:17
Speaker 1: when they first made that contact. And the forensic digital
35:22
Speaker 1: information is I think probably more important than the actual
35:27
Speaker 1: you know, any kind of trace evidence that might have
35:29
Speaker 1: been left at the scene, that's going to be key
35:31
Speaker 1: to this. I want you to take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at ABC News. Listen. A frantic father called
35:39
Speaker 1: at nine one after finding a farmhand j Sues Flores
35:43
Speaker 1: allegedly sexually assaulting his little girl. The Lavaca County District
35:47
Speaker 1: Attorney's office released the dramatic call Okay, I'm glad my daughter.
36:04
Speaker 1: The nywhile on the audio is just part of the
36:06
Speaker 1: evidence presented to a Lavaca County grand jury who chose
36:10
Speaker 1: not to indict the father. District Attorney Heather mcmihn tells
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Speaker 1: us why and under the law in the state of
36:16
Speaker 1: Texas deadly fourth course is authorized. Okay, so that's what
36:21
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Cheryl McCollum, last word to you. This
36:24
Speaker 1: dad beat his daughter's rapist, Tillie was dead, and he
36:30
Speaker 1: was not indicted by a grand jury. Correct. There's two
36:33
Speaker 1: things in this case. What occurred in the bedroom versus
36:37
Speaker 1: what occurred in the front yard. They're saying that everything
36:40
Speaker 1: had been contained in the bedroom while the threat was
36:42
Speaker 1: still ongoing. He's golden once he went out into the
36:47
Speaker 1: yard and chased him as he's leaving, once he's leaning,
36:50
Speaker 1: they say, legally, the thread is thought. But here the reality.
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Speaker 1: The reality is no jury's going to conveet this man.
36:56
Speaker 1: The other reality is since the dad beat him after death,
37:00
Speaker 1: Vince gary him with a fire and a few shots,
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Speaker 1: he has saved future victims. What I think the prosecution
37:06
Speaker 1: is going to be doing now with the perpetrator is
37:09
Speaker 1: looking for additional victims, looking at past charges, if any,
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Speaker 1: because pre and post behavior, you know, was so important.
37:16
Speaker 1: This is not his first rodeo. He did not drive
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Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty minutes and never come to his senses.
37:24
Speaker 1: He was on a mission to have sex with a child. Period.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace Crime's toys, signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,