Latest / SkyTalkDoc / E259 Unlocking the Body: Fascia, Recovery, and the Future of Healing with Chris Duffin

Transcript

E259 Unlocking the Body: Fascia, Recovery, and the Future of Healing with Chris Duffin · SkyTalkDoc

• SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Good morning, Chris. I am so excited to have you back on. The response was huge about the conversation we had on peptides. Like people are just craving this kind of knowledge. And so we had talked at the end of the last podcast that I was going to geek out with you on all things shockwave therapy and, you know, frequency based stuff, light based stuff. And so here we are and we're doing it again. And I'm so excited to have you back because this is like I feel like there's so much to unpack here and people just don't really know about it yet. It's very confusing, but without further ado, I'll let you jump in. Chris Duffin: Yeah, yeah, it's really I'm excited to jump into this because is such an overlooked and misunderstood topic. So people go, ⁓ yeah, there's the red light there. That's that. And they think ⁓ just this separate other piece or isn't even real. And then not thinking about how all this actually works together. And that's where tremendous amount of power comes from. So if back up a little bit and just think about what are we trying to do ⁓ as as a whole with with our bodies in this process, right? I about amplifying the these effects and we need to have first up like, OK, if you're using peptides, you're using it as a ⁓ as signaling molecule. That's part of a process. ⁓ It not the answer in and of itself. Right. ⁓ So need to start with being able to have that signal be heard to have this terrain. And I think we ⁓ touched on that in this in the last podcast, but there's a lot of things from lifestyle and some of the things that we're going to talk about here. Supplementation that are going to help create this environment where we don't have a lot of interference, you know, radio signal noise that's allowing that signal not to be heard. And then we've got these modalities. So then you've got the peptide therapy itself. Then you've got these modalities on top of that that can amplify that. And then we also got to make sure that we've got our substrate material, like the things that we're literally going to work with. Like, hey, if I'm trying to, you know, repair skin or joints and you need some collagen, you need some the nutrients to be able to to actually that substrate to do it stuff. And then at the end of the day, like, let's not forget the big thing like reinforcing everything with movement and load to actually build resilience and get these things to stick. So It's important, but there's also part of this when I talk about creating that terrain that some of these effects They can help with that as well. mean, shockwave itself is for this. So shockwave is approved medical therapy for noninvasive work on repair, avoid surgeries for joints It basically tells the body it forces tissue to respond. That's what it does. the simplest way to describe shockwave. So it's not a Thera gun. So this is a much ⁓ pulse that's going deep into that tissue in a, you a sonic wave type fashion. And it that it's really great at breaking up scar tissue. So if anyone's had, you know, post like surgery or any number of reasons to have that just nodule like material that's just adhered. You haven't been using a muscle for a long period of time. Something happened within it, like in the sports realm, it could be a bad injection or something like that. That is, ⁓ know, something, you know, it's just this, this lump, it's, it's a knot in there and that can stay for years. It can limit your range of motion. It binds the fascia from moving properly, which affects neurological signals, all this. So it's tremendous at doing that. And if we think about like, ⁓ thought I'd start with this one. It may be less fascinating some of the ⁓ signaling networks of stuff, but it induces a mechanical stress ⁓ is what shockwave So it's typically a gun. It's kind of painful. You know, if you go over an area and you die. Yeah. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: No, no, no, no, it is a real fable. Like, ⁓ my God, my experience with it. I have a super vasovagal response. so literally, Fainting Goat, thought I was gonna die. It hurts so bad. And after I did it the first time, I found out that like normally they like use this for kidney stones and stuff to break up kidney stones, which is wild to me. And also for plantar ⁓ Chris Duffin: Yeah. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: plantar fascia as well. But know, I think that honestly, my ⁓ particular joint was so activated so on fire, that really just anything was so painful. So I feel like now that I've done a lot of the breaking up of the adhesions using other traditional therapies like ⁓ mobility and different things like that, as well as the ⁓ 10s unit and stuff. I now when I go back in this week, I'm gonna request the shock therapy again, because there was a point where I was like, more. Like I'm not, hate you people. You are Guantanamo Bay. I'm never coming back. ⁓ that being said, I think now that everything's kind of like chilled out a little bit when I go back in, I think I'm gonna be, you know, more receptive, more ready, but it is powerful. Like you can tell it's getting in there and doing some work. kind of sounds like an MRI machine. Like it's like making a... Chris Duffin: Ha ha ha. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: a clacking or something. ⁓ not sure exactly if there's a correlation. It seems like there must be but Chris Duffin: Yep. It's a, well, it's interesting. So they can use, so there's several different ones. The focus shockwave does not use the magnets, the, the itself is not doing the work, but it's, ⁓ it's, driving, know, a device from one end of a tube to the other. it just like, there's a little, you know, piece of steel in there that. it's driven and then it sucked back via magnet driven sucked back. And so it's just that slamming, force clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, ⁓ that, which is why it's very different than like a Theragun, which is a motor driven. It just doesn't ⁓ that, that, that actual ⁓ that's going to pass through that tissue and create that, that mechanical, ⁓ that, that signal and SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: YUMMA Chris Duffin: that mechanical stress causes that cellular signal. And you talk about the pain associated with it. really kind of like using the shockwave almost as a diagnostic tool as well. So you can, what I'll do with that ⁓ run a like a higher frequency, which is less painful, but kind of scan over a larger piece of tissue and ⁓ find those areas are that are more painful because you'll, you'll discover in that process and you can, you know, it may be some of that fascia is kind of bound up in an area, some area that somebody doesn't expect. They're like, ⁓ okay. That that's it. And then you can temper it and make it less painful. So unfortunately the clinical applications, they they'll call out like, here's, here's the, frequency and here is the amount of time where I like to vary it. because you can start high, which kind of starts shutting down some of the pain signals. And then as you can withstand it now, then start turning the frequency down lower clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk. And then that's where you experience more pain. But if you start there and again, doesn't have to give you the opportunity to really understand what's going on, but it's a really getting kind of of, you the topic, but they're, ⁓ reasonably SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah. Chris Duffin: cheap machines at the end of the day. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: So my PT, what he would do is he kind of move it around and then when I stopped being able to talk and breathe, that's when he would go, ⁓ we're it. And then he would ⁓ stop it and he say, tell me long before the pain subsides. And that was kind of his measure is how quick is your come back to life like recovery. ⁓ And anyway, that's the system that he used kind of in talking about how you would scan to find it. Chris Duffin: Yeah, so very, very similar then. Yes, like, yep, now we've found the spot that we're going to get. And then you'll feel it. You'll sit on that for a little bit. And all of a sudden it's like, OK, the pain's coming down. Now we've got enough to get that that response. So what is that doing? That's driving growth factors. It's driving blood flow. It's driving collagen synthesis. Like it's forcing the tissue to respond to this and it's breaking that up to allow. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yes. Chris Duffin: that substrate material to get in as well as for the waste factors to clearance because you know, basically you've had a lack of blood flow typically in that area. It's like it's for you know, it's tightened up and it hasn't allowed it's in safety mode, which creates more of that issue because then those two things stop happening. We stop, you know, we're shutting down the blood supply and we stop delivering substrate material and removing waste products for those reactions, normal reactions to happen. So It starts driving that tissue remodel and starts breaking up stagnation and basically forces body in to adaptation. But the more recent research has been really fascinating because I have found that with use of peptides ⁓ either or after the shockwave therapy that you get ⁓ substantially results than peptides alone. or shockwave alone. And so thinking about it from a, you know, an engineering perspective, cause that's my background, of course. And I'm going, well, you know, that shockwave is literally grabbing that, you know, those compounds and taking it deeper into that tissue, getting into the nooks and crannies, which some level should, should be happening. Like if you put a topical penetrant on before, like it will drive that topical penetrant deeper than normal. It'll drive it into the tissue further. Like that's that's how shockwave therapy works. If we were going to, you know, do liquid onto the ground ⁓ then put a thumper on it, you know, out and, know, it's to drive that and allow that to permeate into that further. So ⁓ our bodies going to respond the same way the ground would be, you know, if with an oil rig that's out there hitting something right. ⁓ It's the process. But What they found is they were trying, had antibiotic resistant staph. ⁓ what they did is ⁓ the shockwave therapy and found that they were able to get the antibiotics into the cell much better. And... SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: ⁓ wow. Okay. Chris Duffin: What they discovered was that there's on the the cells membrane, there's a receptor PX, PX seven receptor that ⁓ shockwave therapy is and that's temporarily increasing the permeability of that cell membrane. ⁓ So were able to drive the antibiotics into the cell and get better uptake of the antibiotics and remediate this staff and staff infections that were that are normally resistant to antibiotic treatments. reading that research, obviously it clicked right away to me going, that's why my peptides are way more effective, right? Like we've got a, which is again, if I do the peptides before or after, you're gonna have that same effect because they're gonna be in the tissue around the timing that we've enhanced the permeability of that So. If I'm taking GHK, BPC 157, you know, if I've taken something that releases IGF levels, ⁓ any of your growth hormone derivatives or they're actually working direct or they impact. We might talked on this last one, impact the pancreas or impact the hypothalamus, which then impacts ⁓ the which then releases IGF one, ⁓ which the healing component. So all of those are going to be able to pass that and deliver into that further, which they already do a great job of that to begin with because that is the one of the essential values of peptides is they're small in size. So small in size means low toxicity because there's low levels of accumulation because of that size. But it also is why they're so great at working because they're able to get in because they're not very large, complex, proteins. going in. you've got these short amino acid sequence that can penetrate. Then you add shockwave on top of that. And you basically opened up the tissue well as ⁓ up the cells themselves, ⁓ for the signal uptake. Now that is really cool. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: ⁓ wow. So does it use acoustics or I mean I understand the concept of the magnet but but what's the receptor in the body I guess would be my question. Chris Duffin: Yeah, the receptor, so mechanically, it's just that mechanical stimulus like training is, right? Like you're, mechanically inducing stress to the tissue. Right, and so that is creating a lot of that. Now, the PX7 receptor in the cells that decreases the membrane or increases the membrane's permeability the receptor that's being affected ⁓ that. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: So it's physical feedback. Got it. Okay. Chris Duffin: So if we're talking about that receptor level, so we have two different things. We've got the mechanical nature of driving and forcing that that remodeling, breaking up stagnation, creating this environment right where that stuff's going to happen. You know, shockwave stimulates because of that, you know, blood flow, you know, it's driving into the area, it's opening up that tissue, but it's also forcing like the angiogenesis processes, the formation of those new micro capillaries. So again, going to work really well. You know, TB4 TB 500 drives angiogenesis. Well, boom, we're to add that in there. you know, you're going to get ⁓ duplicative of that effect from using the shockwave that is also driving some of those same factors. So it's really like loosening up those those materials. If you if you go on like it's. This actually this would be good if anybody's watching this, ⁓ go look vibration and concrete. All right. So if you pour concrete and it's like this big old lumpy mess, they'll stick a little vibe rod in it. exactly what a shockwave is. It's the exact same thing. All of a sudden it just turns into a liquid and just ⁓ smooth and lays out everywhere. Right. That's the exact same process. That's what I'm talking about. You know, happening, know, ⁓ the ground with like, you know, SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: ⁓ yeah. Yes. than it. Chris Duffin: if you've got some liquids in it, it's just gonna drive that through. It's creating that mechanical permeability, like making everything run smooth, right? we're also affecting it at that tissue ⁓ signal level as with that membrane permeability. So it's that larger level, the mechanical level, right? ⁓ Of happening with that concrete going, all of a sudden this scarred up, You know, think about that, like lumpy big piles, like trying to push it down and smooth it out. Add that, that little bit of vibration. Boom. It just turns into looks like water just rolls out and lays just the way it's supposed to looks beautiful. That's that mechanical nature of the. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: and then the fluid in the body can move freely. ⁓ a myofascial workshop at one point when I was big in yoga using Theracane tool to break up the adhesions. ⁓ And they actually showed a cadaver of a And ⁓ I hope don't have this wrong because it's been a long time. But basically, it was an old injury to the shoulder arm area. Chris Duffin: Yeah, yeah. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: that became so adhesed or whatever, so knotted up, that the blood wasn't flowing properly and ultimately caused him to have a heart attack. Is that even possible? mean, ⁓ might be remembering it incorrectly, but that's kind of what the gist was. Chris Duffin: Yes, it is possible. So we have seen this in I've seen it in some, ⁓ some of the pro baseballers when I was working in that field quite a bit, ⁓ some of the Tommy John surgeries and stuff like that post where ⁓ got this tissue going on. but they end up pulling out these ⁓ really you know, out of an artery, just ⁓ all ⁓ because is, you know, during the surgery that they've done this because SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah. Chris Duffin: This arm has been induced that trauma. It's lacked that blood flow. in this protective measurement. You've got all that going on and those arteries just start, you know, because they don't have that blood flow. It's not moving. You know, those micro capillaries aren't working. Like all that stuff's not going on. And yeah, like is that I don't want to fear monger here. Like that's not the intent there. Like the likelihood of that leading to it. But on occasion, like if something like that happens, you've got that big clot, somehow it gets freed up. has the potential, yes, is mechanism that happens because when we've lacking how that body is supposed to be fluid and working, like, yeah, that is a potential outcome. And it does happen when that tissue is so locked down that ⁓ it's fluid. It's not working the way that's like, this is why the number one biohack in the world is literally just strength training. Like it's going to beat poor sleep. It's going to be poor nutrition. ⁓ SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah Chris Duffin: I know lot of people don't want to hear this, but like it does because it makes this organ, organ of muscle, the organ ⁓ your lymphatic, ⁓ these other things that we are now discovering in the last decade that are actually additional organs and systemic working throughout that whole body. It makes those work like they're otherwise they're sitting ⁓ Number one biohack in the world, like moving some load. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: You know, as you think about, yeah, I mean, I can think about how I've heard stories over the years of people that were incredibly fit, right? That suddenly dropped dead from a heart attack or something like that. You're like, what? They ate well, they exercised. I don't get it. It doesn't make sense. That's terrifying for the rest of us. But when you realize the river that is our lymphatic system, all of the, you know, it's like we literally are fluid. That's what we are. I was just on a podcast with with Molly K. Kover, who's a naturopath that's working with peptides as well as like dry blood analysis and things and she was like, if you're not looking at the movement of fluid within the body, you're missing the entire point, right? Like, this is such a critical area. And it doesn't take much, especially in our modern world that we live in, with all of the industrial nation and etc. for things to get locked up and stuck and stagnant. And if you ever walk by a pond, and look at what happens when water's not flowing. You can see real quickly how it becomes sludgy and yucky and all of that. Chris Duffin: Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You could sit there and be putting all the great nutrients in there for the fish. Right. make that the sunlight's just perfect to all the thing. ⁓ And going to look like crap if it's not running, if it's not flowing. Right. So, yeah, if we if we go back and anchor like ⁓ this, we've talked about so far and everything else that we're going to cover, we're talking about like, yeah, ⁓ movement the blood flow. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: You're right. If there's not movement. Chris Duffin: oxygen delivery, lymphatic movement, right? So that's all one. Then we've got mitochondrial function or energy production. We've got inflammation. I was just going to raise my middle finger. should keep going there. Inflammation, cellular stress, then we've got the collagen and tissue remodeling. And then, you know, like what's the timing and sequencing of all this? So these are like the major buckets to of make sure that we're hitting on within that. So ⁓ Yet with that comes in like something like red light therapy, right? it's really easy to jump in and talk about. know everybody in the red light therapy realm loves to reference cytochrome C oxidase and how that affects uptakes ATP to production. But the nitric oxide release that it causes ⁓ new vasodilation that it's going to drive right that there is going to help right? And then. pair that with now your peptides that are gonna further drive that vasodilation, help with the microcapillary formation in those areas that are, when I talk about that angiogenesis and that microcapillary, that's in that tissue that is all locked up that needs that to happen again to be able to heal. And then driving down the oxidative stress, which there's a lot of oxidative stress that's happened with that if you wanna say. I don't want to get too technical in like where the research actually shows us today in our thought process, but it's a great way to. Yeah, that adhesion will just leave it at that, right? I'm sure there'll be some people that want to ⁓ ⁓ to some. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Well, you know, found this too, and it's like, try to keep things accessible for as many people as possible. Do I understand like the core workings of the neurotransmitters of the brain? Sure. But let's just call it dopamine. Let's just call it cortisol and leave all the rest off because people are like, yeah. Chris Duffin: I exactly I'm like, I hate the term core, but I'll use it all the time because you know, but yeah, at the end of the day, like what happens like we've got, got some mechanoreceptors that release some, some toxins in the signal, you know, around after we've got some, you know, injury mechanism, right? ⁓ That then reduces fluidity. you know, of those tissues at that level. And that essentially ends up creating what we call an adhesion, but you can't physically go in necessarily with a theristic and break it. But the theristic is going in and creating the signals that then tell that really those things to happen, which basically does, you know, break it up. But mechanically, that's not what's happening. And that's what people will get really caught up into the verbiage of it. They're like, you're completely wrong. And I'm like, well, SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: you Chris Duffin: the end of day it's doing it. Yes, it happens via signal that then goes to the brain then comes back and changes the tissue itself. The itself is not changing the tissue, but it is sending the, ⁓ it providing the peripheral input that does end up to the signal cascade that leads to that, right? And so. ⁓ SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Well, I'll tell you my nighttime routine right now. I've got the tens unit on and then I take that off and then I'm doing the red light therapy and then I'm handing the TheraGun to my partner who's driving that. don't know what I'm doing, but I'm just trying all the things. So I'm happy that we're talking about this. ⁓ do think though I was actually at a conference. was for aerospace, well it was for manufacturing, which is a whole nother life that I have. ⁓ ⁓ walked up to this booth and ⁓ were like, NASA proved that red light blah, blah, blah works. you know, and so I sat down and the guy had this thing called the perfect EO X. And it was this this red light tool. And ultimately, he totally got me on it. And I bought it. But I think it works. I don't know. I can't see. Right? Like, but I but I believe the science behind it. So I think that's the other part of this is all this stuff is happening deep in our tissues deep in our lymphatic system deep in our muscles and we really can't see like we can a cut maybe that's healing on the surface and I think that's where people get confused by a lot of this stuff. I can feel something's not right in my body but I don't see the the beginning and the end ⁓ of these treatments that I'm using. Chris Duffin: Right. Well, the red light you can feel right away. Like if you've got an injury, like it changes the perception of pain. It basically down your pain right then. And you can feel like usually your red light's got some infrared with it as well. ⁓ you've got that warmth that's going on. What's that warmth doing? ⁓ creating heat, which is going to drive the blood flow. It's going to drive the vasodilation. So ⁓ light's really cool because you can feel it happening. Like if you're sore, if you're low back sore and you spend some time, you know, a few inches from a red light panel, like you're going to feel better. Your pain is going to go down. Like are going to, ⁓ are going to happen. And then you're also going to end up finding, wow, okay. So my energy levels are a little bit better as well. That's because of some of the stuff that's happening at the cellular level, the enhancing that mitochondrial efficiency, ⁓ stuff that I talked about improving. ATP production through the effect of cytochrome C oxidase. Now there was a really, really great study. I think I've got it in my YouTube video on this series on this topics, but is a CD 34 plus, which is ⁓ long short. That is ⁓ stem right? They exposed to tibia, just the to red light and measured SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Mm-hmm. ⁓ Chris Duffin: that CD34 plus or stem cells in the blood, the elevation of that before and after. And it raised it by nearly three stem cells by 300 % systematic, your whole blood, like from just the exposure of the tibia to the red light therapy. So, know, think, ⁓ I don't have time for that. You don't have time for eight minutes of red light therapy in the morning. Best time to do that, by the way. So, I said you're doing the evening if you can make sure that you're doing a morning dose as well because our body actually responds better if we're doing it with the circuit because there's a cellular clock. Like, OK, get one of the little red lights, put it under your desk, pull up your pant leg. Like it'll work like it won't feel as good as doing it direct on some of the areas, but it's going to have an effect on that, which is going to enhance your healing. It's going to enhance collagen synthesis. It's going to improve that signal fidelity. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: We've been circadian in the sun. Yeah. I wondered about. Yeah. Chris Duffin: Like that's going to be amazing pairing that with GHK-CU collagen for, you know, skin healing, BPC 157 for, for repair. Like it's going to work great with that. So ⁓ light, it improves the cell's ability to actually carry out the instructions. Right? So the shockwave, it the tissue to respond. The peptides are going to SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Chris Duffin: are the ones guiding how to rebuild it in that process. So that's why those two work so well together because it's it's that concrete, like, what what form, how do we, ⁓ know, the mold? ⁓ you peptides are helping with the instructions, right? It's setting stage that. With your red light. it's improving that cell's ability to carry out those instructions as well. ⁓ SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: And reducing inflammation too, right? It's also reducing inflammation in the area. That's part of that process. Right. So that's part of the Masler dilation that you're talking about. It's all intertwined. Chris Duffin: Yes. Yes. Yep. So, and then we've got PMF. So this is the Pulsed Electromagnetic Frequency. This one is still, so there was a long time where shockwave was woo-woo, then red light therapy was woo-woo, and now it's like, okay, this is proven, this is proven, know, like ⁓ light therapy was on the cover of JAMA this last year. Like, ⁓ still encounter people that are like, ⁓ it's not proven for this or that. I'm like, SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah, yeah. Chris Duffin: You're looking at the wrong studies, by the way. ⁓ now still falls in that, like now it's still in the, it's woo if you bring that up type thing. But to it is so clear. And when we look at some of the research, you would go, ⁓ why the is this not the standard of care in so many cases? Because ⁓ when we're like, SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Wake up. Wake up. Chris Duffin: bone deposition. So you think about osteoarthritis, a bone breakage. Like, I mean, it just drives that process. Like it is a mean, bone is a mechanical process. It is a welding process, by the way, for those that don't know. I kid you not. It is SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah. So I recently did a Hokat sauna the ozone and PMF. And ⁓ my God, one one sitting. And I was like, this is huge. I mean, it was a massive, massive change. So I actually signed up for the package where I'm gonna go frequently because I feel like it's something that you should probably be doing at least once a month if there's a Hokat sauna in your area. ⁓ Chris Duffin: Yeah. So the feeling from that, like it's literally charging your battery. Like we've got this electron transport chain that is our energy production And it ⁓ increasing the energy potential across those membranes. Like it's when you put your cell phone on the little charge, like ⁓ doing the ⁓ thing for you right then. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah. Yes. Yeah! Chris Duffin: Like it is altering that membrane potential. It's improving the ion exchange at the same time it's doing, it's enhancing the microcirculation. So this is a mechanical effect. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: recently. Yes. recently got one like a little wireless 10s unit. You know what I mean? I just I just started a day so you just this one I haven't used it I use the bigger pack but you just like you know like that and set the electrical impulse it's not going to do the ozone stuff and all of that that's that's more for going to the whole cut sauna but I mean this this thing it's a little tiny like iPod container you can take with you anywhere you know so cool Chris Duffin: Yeah. I to check those out. That's handy, because the 10s, the wires always ends up being a pain in the butt, because then they get tangled up, and then you're like, yeah, that's cool. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: No, this has no wires. I swear I should have somebody from this company on this podcast because this thing is a freaking game changer. And they even have this one I used yesterday, but they even have like the big one, you know, that you can put on your low back or whatever. I just said it to like, you know, 17 is just doing it's a little but it's wild. I mean, I think there's so much to the electrical channels in the body that the the Reiki the old school, you know, like they were on it, but we're just now catching up to it, I think. Chris Duffin: Yeah, a good friend of mine. might be interested to have him on here. Dr. Roy Page. ⁓ he is. I don't know anybody that's done more clinical continuing Ed. ⁓ know he's been learning German and Japanese because he just so he can pull the research so he ⁓ has a medical. He has a degree in Western medicine and a degree in ⁓ acupuncture, Eastern medicine ⁓ has done all the continuing ads on. So it and ⁓ We've had so many in-depth conversations, diving deep on stuff where it's like at the end of the day, like Chinese medicine gets a knock because hey, where's the science behind it? And they're like, it's pattern recognition. It doesn't explain how, but here's these patterns that developed over, you know, five, you know, 5,000 years or whatever it is. And it's like, all right, if you want to dive into the science, unfortunately, a lot of the, SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: thousands of years. Chris Duffin: acupuncture stuff, some of the really leading stuff like out of Germany or wherever you can't read the research and people like, where's the. So thus, you know, learning these other languages, but they've got this like really fascinating tool that maps like, you know, on the ear and they've done the research and know exactly where and it's super, super accurate. It's crazy. So I'll tell you, this is an interesting story. So with Dr. Roy, by the way. So he's based in Beverly Hills. And I had to get my elbow surgery and I flew down to best elbow surgeon in the world down there. was at Kerlin job we did the elbow surgery. I flew back home the next day, which I'm not supposed to, but you know, whatever. and so two weeks later I had to fly back down to do my followup. Maybe it was a week later or whatever. And I had had a splitting headache for like three days. And I'm like, okay, I gotta go by and see Dr. Roy. just to get the acupuncture side done and clear this up while I'm here. So go in, check out the elbow. He's like, wow, I've never seen anything. He'll like this, of course, you know, is the way, toughest elbow he's ever, ever seen in his life. number one elbow surgeon in the U S well, I've hung a thousand pounds off of it about, well, more times than any other humans done. So, you know, that's it. ⁓ It's like, it, it had, that's had some damage. ⁓ So I, SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Ha Crazy. I'm over here working on my external rotation with five pounds. Chris Duffin: Yeah. So I go see Dr. Roy and he's like, hey, plugs plugs in. He's like, I want to check something. He's like, all right, he's checking this. He's like, I think that you have a tooth infection right here. And I'm like, well, why is that? And he's like, well, if I measure this point on the ear and I measure to here, he's like, there's zero conductivity. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: You ⁓ Chris Duffin: Like it's passing straight through. There should be some resistance. He's like, I've seen this over and over again, right? I fly home. That's like on a Thursday, Saturday rolls by all of a sudden. Wow. Okay. I've got a massive like throbbing in my, so I go in to an emergency dentist on Sunday and run They, ⁓ I ⁓ tech looks it. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: There's so much with the mouth. Chris Duffin: the primary dentist looks at it and they're both like, it looks just like a peripheral infection. Here's some antibiotics, we don't see anything on the imaging. Okay, so that's two people that looked at it. I'm on antibiotics for two weeks. I off and my starts hurting, which is, I'm like, that's not a good sign because the infection I could, so I went to go see my dentist. My dentist, They run the imaging, their tech looks at it says, this looks completely fine. There's nothing going on here. My dentist comes in and look at it. It's the fourth look now. And he goes, it looks fine, but there's just this hair of a speck on this tooth that we did this root canal on, on you like three months ago. It's like just, it's so faint. There's, I don't see anything. I want you to go see an oral surgeon. So I go to the oral surgeon. the oral surgeon looks at the imaging says, I don't see anything, but let's do, let's do a, a, a, ⁓ the sensitivity and other tests. She, does that she's like, you know what? I think we've got an infection. We caught this so early in this process. It's crazy. Mind you, this is five people looking three, and always like, Hey, ⁓ you got a tooth infection right there ⁓ off of that. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: video. Yep. because the energy channel, it did a glitch in the... Chris Duffin: which is just based off of his research again, pattern recognition, like that's developed over thousands of years, like, and yeah, there should be some resistance, you know, just from a, you know, ⁓ people going, ⁓ that sounds pretty woo woo. Like, all right. He's checking a connection, two different points in the body. You know, there should be, we have resistance. So something is odd if it's passing all the way through. I'm holding a rod in one hand, we're checking the current on the other and it's SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah Yes. Chris Duffin: flowing through with zero homes, right? yeah, yeah. So back to the pimp. So, what that does with that. So we talked about at the cellular level, what it's doing. ⁓ It's something on this mechanical level as well, right? Because that magnetic frequency is taking those micro capillaries and it's pulsing them for every pulse like this, right? SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Wow. Chris Duffin: So it's stimulating that micro circulation, not via the heart, but the mechanical opening and closing of the micro capillaries, which then your TB, your BPC, your GHK are helping form the new micro capillaries in those areas we need that in. And is then helping drive that nutrient delivery and the waste ⁓ removal within that. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: one of Chris Duffin: And then at the mitochondrial level, helping improve that mitochondrial function. So I pimp. And then, like I said, if you look at what happens from what it does to the osteoblasts, and I started mentioning the welding process and we got off track, but it's literally it's a piezoelectric charge that causes that osteoblast formation and drawn to it. These two charge, it's ⁓ like. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: fascinating. Right. Chris Duffin: you know, bone repair is a welding process. It is exactly the same process. Yes, the PZO electric charge, like your barbecue lighter, the little click, click, click is exactly what's happening at that. And so one of the stimulus is that for this, this is like why walking and stuff ⁓ helps load, like not having load on your body has that effect because it's a bending moment. So it's ⁓ it's that compression SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: you Chris Duffin: causes that bone to bend just a little bit like this at a micro level. That bending, boom, boom, boom, creates that piezoelectric charge, which then drives the osteoblast formation. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Well, okay, because I got to ask you about this because you know women walking with vest is big I've heard a lot about how having that extra weight on the bones actually creates them to work which is what reduces osteoporosis bone density loss etc as we age is so that's what you're describing here then so walking with a weighted vest Chris Duffin: but it's the impact of the steps on the walking though too. Like that's the driver that's boom, boom, boom, every one of those steps. And then when you have the load, that's driving that process, which then counters. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah, yeah. Got it. Okay. Okay, I've never chinsed out on my vest ever again then. Cause there's some days where I'm like, I don't want to feel sweaty. I'm not going to do it. mean, you know, cause it gets sweaty underneath and it's kind of like, yeah. Okay. I'm walking with my vest every day then. So I see it's the hammer effect that creates the pressure and then ⁓ re-welding or saying it's actually strengthening the bone. Wow. Grandma knew. ⁓ Chris Duffin: Yeah So. Yep, exactly, which is causing those osteoblasts. Boom, boom, boom. And that's why. ⁓ do you know why Pimp was created? SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: No. No idea. Chris Duffin: It was developed by NASA for astronauts in space because of the bone loss. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Here we go again with NASA. This is so hysterical. That's the same thing the guy's doing on the red light. ⁓ Chris Duffin: Yes. I back it back of it. Yes. I completely forgot about that. As we started talking about this, because I'm like the other thing pimp is really great for. that's that was why ⁓ actually, yeah, I've got an article on my site, you know, ⁓ science. ⁓ But that was to to stimulate that process that happens when we no longer have that gravity ⁓ the body creating. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah. Evidently, sending astronauts to space is really helpful. Chris Duffin: Because that's what happens when you're in space. Like you're free floating. There's no load on those bones that process stops. Right. So. ⁓ SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: had to tell you something else. This is just for my women listeners in particular, although I know men have it too. But so I also read that by cleaning the fascia, like loosening these adhesions, you reduce cellulite as well because cellulite is simply just a rubber band effect of the in the muscle, et cetera, pulling down to create the dimple look on the skin. Is that true? Chris Duffin: I'd have to dig into that a little bit, conceptually it makes a lot of sense. So that fascia needs to be, the fascia so interesting on so many, but yes, it needs to gliding and moving, right? And so ⁓ it on the I mean, it ⁓ makes perfect sense, Because on the other side, when it's not moving, that same thing is happening on the other side. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: worked. Otherwise it's like a rubber band. Chris Duffin: which is then what starts, you know, creating the restrictions, the lack in movement or the, the signals that send the say, keep the body safe. Let's not go there. Like because of that, that lack of fluidity. So when I talked about the chemical releases around an injury happens, so that starts happening. It's not actually around ⁓ injury. It's actually pre. So this is actually what leads to an injury. All right. so we create, when we move beyond our capacity and our tissue becomes hypoxic, right? Then those chemicals are created around those cells. That this lack of fluidity of that membrane to move over itself. And so then that lack of movement starts happening. Then ⁓ body's always gonna protect nerves. We've got these nerves kind of bound in those networks and stuff, but then that lack of being able to move cleanly and freely, you know, in the following weeks. So maybe it's four or five weeks later. If we look at, can't remember his research right now out of Australia, really great sports scientists, but it's, typically four to five weeks after these overtraining effects ⁓ is the injury actually, ⁓ my wrist is hurting or my elbow's hurting when it was something ⁓ basically or five weeks earlier where we trained beyond, 10 % of our capacity. let's say in a given week, right? And that creates this hypoxic condition, which then creates that movement. Well, that's exactly kind of what it's going to look like on the other side. You know, so you're seeing that on the skin side as well as this. The other side of that is just the elastin production loss. So elastin starts dropping really significantly around 35. And people think about the collagen, but the elastin actually drops so much faster. And the elastin is not SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: And the body's good at protecting itself. Chris Duffin: doesn't affect the cellulite, but it affects the skin staying in place and that it versus kind of drooping a bit, right? GHK-CU is incredible for elastin production, by the way. is, mean, ⁓ swear, if you go on the Facebook peptide groups, there's so many like that are like 45, 50 plus women. I swear they named the product, which is the GH, ⁓ TB, BPC, GHK combo as glow because it gives you. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: You Chris Duffin: the skin glowing look. swear that's where the name actually came from. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: love that. Yeah, I was thinking as you were talking, it's kind of like lube, right? It's just lubing everything. ⁓ the body is incredibly good if there's any kind of minor injury at shutting it off and protecting it. I mean, if you broke your leg, you don't want to continue walking on it. So it's a natural response for the body. ⁓ if you think about all the little micro injuries that we have from our sedentary lifestyle, etc. I mean, it doesn't take much anymore for weird little kinks and things to happen. now the body says, Ooh, it's kinked up there. I'm just going to protect it, you know. And now that's when we start to see chronic. And it doesn't start as chronic. starts as something small and inconsequential that you don't think matters. Chris Duffin: Yeah. And unfortunately that is a big issue with even some of the messaging that I'm sharing here around loading. Like we talked about load saving you from osteo, osteoarthritis, right? somebody will go hear that I'm all in. And then they're just like, I've started a new exercise routine. I've thrown the vest on. I'm walking five miles a day. and it's, did I mention the thing about ⁓ 10 % of your, so from my ⁓ loading and chronic loading, SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Mm-hmm. Chris Duffin: standpoint. So if we look at what is the average load that you have had over the last four to six weeks, right? the load increases by more than 10, 12 % acutely, so there's one week over what it's averaged, ⁓ that's this stuff starts happening. so, yeah, best way to not get that kink in your is to actually develop all those tissues around the neck, the shoulder, everything, but not too fast. Right? It's you want to add about roughly 10 % of what your average load is not exceed that in any given week. Right. And so we want to build tolerance slowly. Like this is, ⁓ SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: This is what I tell my clients. say, just trying to move the needle a little bit. We don't need to peg the other side. Slow down, son. Chris Duffin: And which is going to create this boom bounce back thing all the time. If you want to be at this for the long road, being super intense for six months, do you really need to do that if you're going to be training for 20 years? Like, you going to be able to level it, you know, sustain that level of intensity? It's you know, you've got to build into it. You know, I'm a big proponent of minimalist shoes. I've got the brand Barefoot B E A R. That's big area that people go wrong with with that as well. And they create edema situations of the bone, like stuff going on where that load is actually going to help increase. But if they go, I'm a runner and I'm just going to switch over and at run 20 miles a day on this. Like, guess what? Your feet are weak. They haven't been trained. So you need to think about the untrained and untrained body part. What are we going to do? let's increase. So maybe spend 10 percent of your time in a minimalist shoe for the week. Right. ⁓ SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yup. the fruitcake in the neighborhood that's walking to the mailbox barefoot, everyone's looking at me, I'm like, I don't care. feet are stronger than your feet. So there's that. Yeah, we've over for sure. ⁓ Chris Duffin: And that is. So yeah, so people ask me about like, well, what's the perfect program? How many hours? What should I do? And it's just like, well, I don't have the perfect training program like anything else. Like if done it and you feel like you can handle more, increase it. you've, you know, ⁓ if you're a little too sore beyond like back that off a little bit, you're going to respond a little different. Everybody's got a different baseline. Like, you know, if you walked into the gym day one and did You know, 20 reps, 50 reps of squats with plates on the bar. You're going to kill yourself. There's a few outliers that would be able to survive that. Right. And then everybody's going to respond different each week. So there's a just don't spike it too much. And then any time increase your chronic load. So that's your average chronic is a fancy word for average. Right. You know, having a spike one week doesn't have to be all the time. I don't have to ramp everything up. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah. Yeah. Chris Duffin: But if I take one week and bring that up, my average over the last four to six weeks just went up. Right. And then I'm going to boom, whatever that and then boom, another one. And you just every now and again, keep doing that and bringing that up. And that's going to help. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: intuitive listening to I feel like just like pushing a little bit more than you you know, like listen to your body and then go just a little bit further, you know, because your body is going to resist and then if you just push past that resistance a little bit, I think that's kind of the key. Chris Duffin: Yes, and I'll take that a little bit further. If you haven't trained, if you haven't pushed yourself physically, what you don't know what you're capable of and you don't know what hard is. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah. Chris Duffin: because you're going to go in there you're like, this is hard squat, suck. This is horrible. I can't do anymore. And if somebody pushed you, you'd find out that you have a lot more in you. So a lot of people train way under capacity and go, I don't get any results from training because they've never trained hard and they don't know that they're not training hard because they've never explored those limits. ⁓ chronically, you know, thinking that they're, they're doing something that is training hard and should net results are not seeing the results. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: you Mm-hmm. Chris Duffin: but they've just never experienced what hard is. So you can, you can frame that. You should be able to gauge it. Let's say a one to 10, like 10 means absolutely. There's actually, it's a rate of perceived effort is, and Mike to share popularize this. So I don't know, like 25 years ago, but it's based out of the medical literature on the pain scale, but 10 means I cannot push a single ounce like everything's in it. You know, if you've got a nine, means, you know, I stopped at eight reps, but I probably could have gotten nine reps like right. And so it's like you're backing that down. Right. And how are you going to train at a seven or eight if you don't know what a 10 is, you're going to think you're there, but you're actually at a four. And that's why a lot of people don't get results. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Right? Chris Duffin: They never, they're never pushing up that chronic load to a level that's developing really any true mean, it's, it's, it's providing meaning. Don't get me wrong, but, and then the other side of it is that, yeah, don't do it too fast, too hard. And then just over hurt yourself. ⁓ may not actually pushed it hard, but your body has no tolerance whatsoever. And you just went right here ⁓ ⁓ SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: I hard right right linear half word I used to have a little mini farm and I would carry the chicken feed and I would carry the dirt and I would carry all these things. And I was surprised at how quickly I lost it when I wasn't doing that all the time. And so now I'm like, dang, I got to get that back. It used to be nothing to chuck 50 pounds of feed over my shoulder and go, you know. And so I'm working, I'm working on it, but it is the other part of that is you'll lose it, ⁓ it or lose it. ⁓ know, I think that's important too. Chris Duffin: Yep. That is the message for your body. Right? Use it or lose it. Yep. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: ⁓ ⁓ listen, I'm so glad that we were able to reschedule and get you back on to talk about this because I feel like this was just such a comprehensive conversation about all those things. Where can the listeners find you, Chris? And always we do include it in the show notes, but where's the best place for them to check you out? Chris Duffin: EnhancedExecutive.com you can just type in chrisduffin.com and it'll redirect to that. It's like muffin, but D-U-F-F-I-N. And that's basically how you can find me in any social media platform. I'm occasionally on Instagram these days. Most everything that I'm doing, I'm really focusing on YouTube right now. ⁓ You can find me under mad scientist Duffin, but if you just type Chris Duffin, I'm pretty easy to find because SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah, you come up. I just... Chris Duffin: I've done a lot of things in the course of my life. you type that into any platform engine, I'll be the first thing that does pop up as long as you put the D in front of the, yeah, D-U-F-F-I-N. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: It comes up. You know, I took a three month hiatus from Instagram, went back for the book published stuff and I don't, I didn't, I don't miss it. Didn't miss it. I find a lot more beneficial resources on YouTube and that's kind of the direction I'm pivoting. I'm starting from scratch there, but I think it's worth it in the long run. Chris Duffin: Yeah, I I'm totally so I've got 350,000 like followers on Instagram and I'm just not even using it anymore because the ⁓ just can't do any any depth ⁓ discourse ⁓ Instagram. And I've just I it's just even though I've got a massive follower base, it'd be a great marketing potential. I'm just moving away from that. Now, in the last little bit, when I record a YouTube video, I SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah. Yep. Chris Duffin: I try to do a three minute, like short version to tell people about it. So I might drop like that once or twice a month on there. And then I'm going back to my YouTube, which is I abandoned really not quite 10 years ago. So bringing that back up. My one of my companies had it as an educational service and they kind of killed it during that time. So now it's like getting that momentum rolling in. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Yeah. Thank you. Chris Duffin: But I'm certainly not starting from scratch, so I'm hoping in the next few months I can break 100,000 subscribers on YouTube. So that'll be that'll be good. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: Nice. I just never did a darn thing with YouTube except be an observer. So I'm excited to kind of pivot that direction because like you, the content that I'm sharing is complex and deep and Instagram just doesn't allow for that. So it's kind of nice to be spending some time in a new platform too where I feel like there's also less trolls. So there's that too. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. Chris Duffin: Yes. Yeah, no, I love just being able to sit there and talk in depth about something and like not worry about like, I got to cut this word, just like getting it just so I can just get it condensed down. ⁓ it's actually easier to do a 15 or 20 minute video than it is to do a 90 second video. SkyTalkDoc- Dr. Michaela: It's freeing, isn't it? Well, thank you so much for coming on. And I love this conversation. I'm sure it won't be the last and I'll see you soon. Chris Duffin: Yes it is. All right, you have a good one.