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Mr. Sunshine | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 27 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is a TC presents, debbik.
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  A Rambles. Were a couple friends review,
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  Korean dramas, and today on a very emotional kind of crazy
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  episode. I'm acting.
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  It will be crazy. I have repeat guests Mina from
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  the Kpop bookshelf, podcast me know, girl, how are you good?
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  How are you Jesse survived? I survived.
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  I guess we should tell everybody that there was a hurricane this
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  week in Florida and hurricane Ian and thankfully, my family
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  and I are doing great. But Mina was basically in the
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  know because we had this podcast episode scheduled right smack in
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  the middle of the Ring. And we had to postpone, it was
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  crazy. Mina, thank you so much for
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  working with me on today's schedule.
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  This hurricane, no, no, I scheduled the hurricane and then
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  I realized later that I had the podcast.
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  And so, anyway, long story short, we're here, finally
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  everyone's good Nina. Thank you so much again, you've
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  been really gracious and making yourself available to do this
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  podcast at all, different kind of times.
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  And we're here, we're finally, we're ready to talk about mr.
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  Sunshine. Yeah.
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  Bill. Okay, I'm going to go ahead and
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  read all of the, my drama listen topsis.
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  And like, who's behind the camera.
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  Alright Mina. This is going to be a long one
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  because this is kind of a big cast.
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  Yeah, but feel free to jump in with whatever you've seen the
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  cast in before, or You know, the directors have done some big
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  things too, so we'll talk about it.
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  All right, my drama. Listen abscess mr.
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  Sunshine centers on a young boy, born into a house, servants
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  family. Who travels to the United States
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  during the 1871. She and me Yung Yola.
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  Aka the u.s. expedition to Korea.
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  He returns to his homeland later as a u.s. marine officer.
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  He meets and falls in love with an Aristocrats daughter at the
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  same time. He discovers a plot by Foreign
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  forces to colonize Korea. For some reason, this gives away
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  Nothing at all. Like it tells like the broad.
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  Yeah. But damn like yeah, doesn't
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  doesn't give anything away mr. Sunshine oh no, originally aired
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  from July to September 2018. It is a whopping 24 episodes
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  long and some episodes are longer than an hour.
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  It has been directed by two people young book.
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  He's directed ji-sun most recently and sweet home
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  dokkaebi. In the gray.
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  And lonely God, which we covered on the podcast.
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  He's directed to her descendants of the sun which we also covered
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  on the podcast. So, lots more like Dream.
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  High Dream High is like a running gag now in the show,
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  definitely in the same vein as yeah, no, it's like Gigi sohn
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  sweet home, guardian Greenlee. Godson is about that.
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  Dream, high like way down from like 2011.
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  Like that doesn't fit but okay. Um, book.
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  And then it's also directed co-directed by Jung Ji Hyo.
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  Owen and he's directed 25:21. Also starring confetti he's
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  directed, you are my spring, the king, Eternal Monarch, and
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  search www. So that makes two of his dramas
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  that we've reviewed for the podcast 25:21 and search www,
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  mr. Sunshine was written by the
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  effervescent Kim min-seok. She is a major name in the
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  screenwriter circles for kdramas because she's written the king
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  of turn them on our Guardian, the great and lowly God,
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  descendants of the Sun, the airs, Gentleman's Dignity,
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  Secret Garden and of course. Now mr.
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  Sunshine, which were talking about today.
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  Tons of all time kdramas have been penned by humans look.
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  So we're getting to our caste. Let's see if you've seen any of
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  these cast members before and let me know.
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  Okay, So EB on gun stars as captain Eugene Toy.
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  And he's done about 36 movies. He's mostly a movies guy and
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  he's been in movies. Like The Fortress from 2017,
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  Terminator Genisys from 2015, he was the T1000 in that for real.
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  I kid you not, I kid you not. He was in memories of the sword
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  from 2015, which I vividly? Remember watching that movie and
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  thinking, this is such an excellent movie.
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  Oh my God, I Believe this, they go online to see if people are
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  talking about memories of the sword and everyone's saying,
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  it's such a shit movie. And I was like, I literally I it
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  was a blow because I thought it was like, really good and like
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  the acting from Kim gone, because Kim goeun, of course,
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  isn't it? Yeah, it's just fantastic.
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  And then EG nose. Also in it from the red sleeve,
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  like, people just fawning over Egypt.
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  No. Now, in 2015, I was watching
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  members who started out. I was like, oh my God.
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  Anyway, so he's in that, he's also in masquerade from 2012.
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  L've and that's the inspiration for the show.
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  The Crown clown, which will be covering next on the podcast.
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  If this is going to be released in order.
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  That's the next row that we cover on the podcast.
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  And of course he begun won best actor at the dead young film
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  awards for his role in masquerade and lots of other
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  movies. Like I saw the devil a couple of
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  g.i., Joe movies hero from 07 joint security area from 2000.
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  Big movies. Iris Joy security.
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  Oh is a huge. Yeah, huge movie huge.
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  He's got about twenty six credits for TV, including course
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  most recently. Our Blues.
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  He did squid game as he was a frontman and Squid game which we
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  also covered on the podcast. If you want to scroll back in
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  your podcast feed, you can hear all about squid game.
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  I first saw a begun in Iris. Do you remember Iris?
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  Vaguely or like I heard about, I think I've ever watched it.
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  Okay, this I'm busy reading. Oh, I'm sorry.
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  Ya know, for those who don't know, or did listen to our novel
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  era episode, where Mina first was introduced to debauch
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  audience, she runs a bookshelf party, like, it's all about Kpop
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  books and K, media through books.
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  So, she's reading all the time, even though you are like, I
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  assume, you're sometimes watching kdrama, but Anyway, um,
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  iris is was so huge. They did a movie afterward, you
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  know, like that era in kdrama where they were, like, do a
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  kdrama or even a Jai drama. And then all of a sudden they do
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  a movie on it. That is what happened with Iris.
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  It was amazing. Okay, okay.
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  Yeah. Anyway so he won best security
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  area so that's like on my list. Perfect.
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  I see here. Okay, yeah, so it is on mine
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  too. I don't think I've seen her if I
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  have, I don't remember. So his co-star.
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  I came Teddy. Plays.
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  Go fishing and she's been in only six movies, but I hate
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  pause for a second because I heard characters go Asian, I
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  wanted you to call this episode. I hope that's not a spoiler,
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  just cut it. If it is three men and a little
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  icky, she maybe she know that's true.
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  Hello, like you? She that's valid like, that's
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  valid. No, no no, whoa, talk action and
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  we will talk about the name of mr.
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  Sunshine, at some point in this episode's for sure.
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  That's a valid point. I know I'm relieving it.
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  Okay, so she's been in six movies, including alien noise,
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  which I did a patreon review for space Troopers, little little
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  Forest the handmaiden, which is a park geun Suk movie.
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  She won best new actress at the blue dragon film Awards, and
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  2016, big deal, of course, everyone knows her from 25:21
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  from 2022 and she won best actress and most popular actress
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  at the effects on Arts Awards. So proud that she actually did
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  that because it's a big deal and she deserved it.
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  We're going to go really fast. Watch the hand.
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  Maiden. No.
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  So look, I've said this a couple of times at the park at.
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  I'm scared of watching the am made it.
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  Why it's? So this is a genre it I just say
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  Jean, you so naked. Yes.
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  Ari. I don't know, she's super naked.
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  It's a psychosexual lesbian Thriller, and it's a period.
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  Right. Right, right.
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  And that that combination, that like Sub sub genre completely?
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  I like, I avoid it because it scares me shitless, like I like
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  cannot deal with it. She's so good at and I don't
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  like not saying you should watch it, but it it's just generally.
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  If you are not scared of it yeah should watch it because she's
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  excellent people. Don't amazing.
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  Remember she's in there. Completely naked.
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  It's a psychosexual lesbian Thriller.
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  Yeah, yeah it's serious. And you know parktronic directed
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  old boy? Yes.
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  So like seven, you do you watch old boy?
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  You can watch this and you can like, you know, you know what
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  I'm saying? I see what you're saying and it
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  is spooky. Season or this episode will air
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  around spooky season October. And I hope, one day that I will
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  bring myself to watch the handmade and because it's not,
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  like, I don't want to watch it, I'm just afraid to watch it.
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  Like, I think it's one of those rods just sit there afterwards,
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  and just feel changed field inside versus being psycho
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  thriller like it's not like, jump-scares know.
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  I know, I know logically. I said psycho station and I'm
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  telling you I got a handle on it and I'm scared.
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  Scared to go in that room. Okay, so we're bringing up the
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  rear. You yong-seok plays good on me
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  and he has been in a few movies like Royal Tailor.
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  Beauty inside. Yei monster boy, werewolf boy.
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  He's a villain in a werewolf. Boy, when my favorite K movies
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  of all time architecture 101, which is a big thing when it
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  came out to, and then, of course, he was most recently in
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  Narco Saints from Netflix, this is going into his TV work and I
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  think everyone knows him from either reply. 294 or Hospital
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  playlist, 1 and 2 which we've covered Hospital playlist. 1 on
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  the podcast, if you want to scroll back in your podcast
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  being and listen to that, lastly we have Kim min-jung as he no
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  go. Do you might have seen her most
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  recently in the devil judge from 20 21 and we have Beyond Johan
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  as Kim we song and he you might have seen him before and me
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  saying incomplete, life from 24. She watched me saying, no, I did
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  it, I did. And I thought he was, he's kind
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  of similar to the care. Has your but I really love him,
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  okay? I really love him even though
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  he's like I'm noxious you know okay but like all right we're on
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  the other side of this maybe that's just my type.
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  Never mind. Oh my God Amina.
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  Oh man this post-hurricane man. I am in a mood.
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  All right. Mina what did you think of mr.
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  Sunshine. I thought honestly so it was
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  definitely quite long at times dragging it times.
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  And I'm trying to give too many spoilers There's but, you know,
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  it is about like, pre-colonial, Korea, preach about Japanese
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  colonization of Korea. But Japan's, like, kind of
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  already there. And I found it very strange.
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  How there is, like, of course, you know, if you saw Guardian,
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  if you saw the other works, that the writers have done the
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  directors of done, you know, there's gonna be a romance with
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  their, like Revolution and then they're like romance, another,
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  like Revolution and that like romance.
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  And I'm like, what is happening? And I felt like it wasn't very
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  seamless or like, it didn't make sense because it would be like
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  revolutionary, like, guerrilla warfare for like a while and
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  then I'd be like, we're in love. It's just But aside from that,
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  it's visually stunning. There's these people are acting
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  their pants off and there's so many layers and topics that we
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  were discussing before I started recording about, like different
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  topics about Korean Society, the time and Korean history.
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  So it's worth watching, but there was definitely some kind
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  of flaws. I think.
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  What did you think? Hmm.
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  Okay, so I will first tell you why I avoided mr.
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  Sunshine for years because this came out in 2018, Dean and I
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  remember it popping up. I vividly remember, it popping
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  up on Netflix and going. Oh wow, it's like a period piece
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  and it's like it looks turn of the century.
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  But then they have this girl salon home book and like what's
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  the deal? Like, I don't really get the
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  time period. And then I saw the way that the
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  promo shots were framing them, a Bianca and confetti, and I was
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  like, oh, is this supposed to be like, a romance and then I what
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  I saw. Was age Gap.
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  I saw pure age Gap and I was like, that looks like a giant
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  age Gap and I have said, this was your, I'm not a big fan of
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  like Chasm age, gaps, in my entertainment, and in my
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  kdramas, so I avoided it. I was like, I wasn't like
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  getting the vibe of it and then I wasn't a fan of the age Gap.
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  So I avoid it like the plague to be fair to myself from 2018 Eve,
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  Gun was 48 years old when he started.
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  No, yes up for real born in 1970, that 100%, 48 years old
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  King, Teddy was 28 years old. That is a 20 year age Gap.
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  So I was reading the tea leaves right on that one.
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  But, you know, I would say is get, this may be by the bar is
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  low for me, but I was like, at least she's not like 20 or like
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  19 or, you know, how they sometimes do that in cage.
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  Like, yeah, it's the big age Gap, but will react Tighter, and
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  this one of the directors, of course, had a classic age Gap
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  romance with the goblin that was classic, you know, 400 years,
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  400 years in the context of the show.
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  And then I think it was another, like not 20.
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  I think it was either 20 or a little less than in the Years
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  between game going and kong-kong you.
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  Anyway, that's a whole nother thing.
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  But anyway, they love it evidently because it's here.
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  Goblin was 2016. Mr. Sunshine is 2018.
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  So two years later they probably thinks this is like a side note
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  about the writer but I feel like maybe they are kind of
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  describing to like some Purity concept of like these virginal
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  youthful untouched like sheltered ladies and then these
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  like kind of manly Then right? Because you're a really manly by
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  the time, you're like 48 for sure or 450 or however old you
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  are bringing up some valid points here, Mina already.
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  So just to get my thoughts out of the way I found that this
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  show was really difficult to get into.
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  For me, I was not hooked right away.
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  I didn't find this was binge worthy, at all.
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  I've sometimes thought that the length of the episodes was
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  really a hindrance for me. Which I've said, so many times
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  on the podcast, I am a strict hour-long person.
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  Yeah. So when I started the show was
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  very hesitant to like it. And again, I kind of grasp the
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  time period very quickly. Episode 1 was very assaulting on
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  the senses and very difficult to understand like who is who
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  because they introduced like 50 people in one episode.
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  So many, so many people and the conflict at large like the
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  political conflict and the issues that are going on in
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  Korea at the time. And I felt that that was a lot
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  to take in as I can. And I have seen likes a goose.
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  Seeing a ton of kdramas and I'm still like, who the hell am I
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  looking at here? Like, oh, how are these people
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  related? I was getting very confused.
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  So I had to write down everything and now I deleted
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  because I know what's going on. But for me from the first
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  episode and me to the last episode night and day
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  difference, I thought the show was a masterpiece.
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  I love this show was well worth at least one watch from kdrama
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  Watchers. I didn't really consider it a
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  kdrama at the end of the day. I felt like this was pressed.
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  Uh television that I was watching this could have easily
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  been shown on like Apple TV like Pachinko was here in the states
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  or it could have been shown on like HBO or something lives like
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  a special you know, show it was absolutely riveting towards the
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  end, the endgame episodes which lasted not one or two episodes.
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  It was something like six episodes that felt like the
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  third Act of the show was end game and those were amazing.
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  Best part of the show. I agree with.
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  So a lot of stuff happening. Not a payoff, a lot of payoff.
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  Exactly. That was the word that I had in
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  my head to a lot of it was pay off and I really appreciate that
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  in the writing. I thought the writing knew that
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  they were planting Easter eggs, knew that they were planting
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  check-offs guns left and right lines and scenes and
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  cinematography. And I could now graffiti that
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  was repeated at the end of the show that felt like closure felt
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  like, oh my God, this was what I was waiting for.
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  This was why I wanted to watch the show, I think a lot of the
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  political stuff was still very dense and yeah, you know, we can
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  try and get into it and parse some of it out, especially some
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  of the nuances of the culture back then which you did some
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  research on. I'm really excited to get into
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  it but honestly it is a Shakespearean tragedy.
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  So a lot of people I think in the cage, right?
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  Okay. Trauma Community will not watch
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  a kdrama if Has a sad ending. I'm sorry to say right out the
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  gate mr. Sunshine has only violence only.
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  Bloodshed only said things for you.
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  And in fact they warn you early on in the show.
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  There is no hope that these characters are going to make it
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  to the end unscathed. Happy alive, all these things,
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  they're constantly like they finally credit history and that
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  was already staler from the job. That is the other thing is that
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  history is not on their side. And if you do anything remotely
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  about, what happens to Korea and the amount of times that they
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  were invaded and you know, what happens in Pachinko Pachinko is
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  a great kind of teaser for what it leads up to the events and
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  Pachinko. I guess I should say and how it
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  informs identity going forward and further Generations down the
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  line and just tensions between Korea and Japan, Korea and
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  China, Korea and the u.s. all these Things.
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  Really? I don't want to say it was well
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  done, but I guess it was at least interesting to watch
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  especially in the latter episodes.
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  Yeah, I have a thought, but maybe I'll save it for after
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  spoilers. Oh yeah, okay.
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  All right, after spiky, said cinematography 110% amazing so
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  much budget, went into this, so many humbly, tails, the
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  costumes, the street, Only the make up the scenery giant stuff.
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  He says structure architectural structures.
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  Yeah the trolley many, the trolley, so many extras, just in
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  a scene when I say extras, I mean like literal people in a
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  scene, it's explosives. Fire pyro stunts, gunfire
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  warship, slow motion action, which requires another like set
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  of cinematography skills, Flags waving around a lot of stuff,
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  burning to the ground during water.
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  Filming. Yes.
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  Underwater filming. So much money went into this and
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  you feel it. It's just dripping with
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  Hollywood type budget. Yeah, that's why I agreed to do.
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  You say it's like Prestige watching us.
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  I just like, like you and the beginning.
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  I was like struggling to get into it and to like feel invest
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  in them for like a while and I don't think for me it was the
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  age Gap is just like because there are so doomed from the
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  jump like I care. Is this end of just Doom over
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  the whole show over every Character.
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  You just I mean I don't know how someone can go through this and
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  be like, I'm waiting for that episode 15.
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  Like they wrap everything else and then 16 we get a wedding.
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  Get this look XYZ? No, no, let's say they had a
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  beach scene. What else do you want from them?
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  Yes, exactly. They went to the beach.
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  Damn it. We had a pig EIEIO.
• 20:55
  Yeah, which wasn't easy. And like the 1800's they
• 20:58
  literally. How are you getting to the beach
• 21:00
  from Seoul? Is back for days.
• 21:03
  I think they said it's like, we're not gonna We're not gonna
• 21:08
  talk about how you spend days writing to them.
• 21:11
  And multiple couples went to the beach and one couple to not have
• 21:14
  a horse. No one couple is just okay,
• 21:16
  we'll talk about it. That just piggyback all the way.
• 21:18
  Oh yeah, they're just gonna hoof it anyway.
• 21:22
  Yeah, a great sense if I could knock Rafi and the age Gap was a
• 21:26
  was a kind of a deal breaker, but I will say that towards the
• 21:31
  end. I I was invested in them for
• 21:34
  sure. We're talking about e begun and
• 21:36
  confettis characters, they obviously have I don't want to
• 21:41
  say a star-crossed lovers relationship but I guess it was
• 21:45
  the star-crossed lovers relationship.
• 21:49
  Yeah, it was just like everything was under duress in
• 21:52
  the gut in the gods. Just straight is a sucker punch
• 21:56
  throughout the whole show. Did you buy them as a couple?
• 22:02
  Actually, I don't know. I kept thinking that.
• 22:03
  I was like, wait why do they like each other?
• 22:05
  Like, I almost didn't get it but then I but then it did like
• 22:08
  something about it. Did make sense along the way it
• 22:10
  was a bit of a slow burn for me, Lisa where I didn't understand
• 22:13
  initially why, either them care about the other one.
• 22:15
  But then I was like, okay like they like I do think that some
• 22:19
  chemistry or something that seemed magnetic amongst them and
• 22:23
  maybe it's just their Stellar acting that there's just such
• 22:25
  good actors but they did have definitely I mean she's so good
• 22:29
  in everything, you know. Yeah.
• 22:31
  So So, I agree with you. I think there's something that
• 22:34
  wasn't written there on the page that they somehow made work on
• 22:39
  screen. And that is a, well said, that's
• 22:42
  all I can account for extremely accurate.
• 22:44
  Is because there was like apples.
• 22:47
  I know what's not anything? They're like they had certain
• 22:51
  crazy high intensity moments between them.
• 22:55
  But as far as like, why do you like each other?
• 23:00
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 23:02
  You know, right? They just kind of gravitate
• 23:04
  towards each other like two sides of a magnet and that's all
• 23:08
  there is to. It was very believable.
• 23:09
  Mmm. Yeah.
• 23:12
  What did you think of their secondary leads?
• 23:16
  And she has a couple, I know a couple.
• 23:20
  She just. Yeah.
• 23:21
  Well because if you think about like the character of Hina.
• 23:26
  Yeah, you know, and I feel like she also it was like something
• 23:30
  like, obviously, like, she's like, Like, not romantic, but
• 23:33
  like a sidekick or something. Like, she's I encounter with the
• 23:36
  like, you know, the samurai, the like the I can I say that's like
• 23:42
  we can say you can say yeah he's okay.
• 23:46
  He song and then Eugene and that you have the three of the three
• 23:50
  men. The little achy, she talking
• 23:53
  about and then you have Hina who and then you also have her very
• 23:58
  faithful enslaved. People Just lightly
• 24:02
  romanticized, I feel like, but yeah.
• 24:05
  But yeah, they're her servants. And all of that was like her
• 24:07
  orbit of people like the Gunner and all that.
• 24:09
  But there was a her orbit and she had so many good folks
• 24:13
  around her and she was the pull and the draw of all these people
• 24:16
  in a way, maybe less. So for Hina.
• 24:19
  But somewhat. And and it was very like I said
• 24:22
  believable, like it just seemed like you could sense, why
• 24:25
  there's so much like loyalty towards her wiser so much
• 24:27
  interest in her. Why is everyone like rally
• 24:29
  around her all the time? At what?
• 24:30
  Because sometimes you want your drama with some things?
• 24:32
  That supposed to be happening and you're just like, why did
• 24:33
  why can't you not like ditch that person or like, why are you
• 24:35
  still hung up on that person? But for confettis acting, or
• 24:40
  portrayal of it was so just overall, you know, Magna?
• 24:44
  Yeah, yeah. She was a great Rally Point for
• 24:46
  everybody. And you kind of unin neatly
• 24:49
  understood why everyone was trying to save her and make her
• 24:53
  survive and like have her and door and all this stuff while
• 24:56
  everyone else was kind of like it just is not the not the word.
• 25:02
  Expendable I guess I should say hmmm not disposable Expendable.
• 25:06
  Um, yeah, I see Jimmy Lord. So a lot of stuff happening it
• 25:13
  with the themes and the topics that we want to cover and we can
• 25:18
  introduce some of them. Now, I did want to touch really
• 25:20
  fast because you mentioned, he now, that character there are
• 25:24
  really strong female characters in this show and I admire that
• 25:27
  about it. I love how they're kicking ass
• 25:29
  and taking names. I love how they're integral
• 25:31
  part. Of the plot and how they are not
• 25:35
  passive at all. They're not passive Observer
• 25:40
  said the actress who played Hina didn't get any kind of award for
• 25:43
  this as far as I know, ideas for this role.
• 25:45
  And she was, oh my God, she was amazing.
• 25:48
  Yeah, what happened? What happened?
• 25:50
  To Kim Min Jong? I don't know.
• 25:52
  I don't know why she's not a better than either because I was
• 25:54
  looking at the stuff that she had done it.
• 25:55
  I was like, where did home girl go?
• 25:58
  Come on, not that much there too, right?
• 25:59
  Yeah. No, mmm.
• 26:01
  I'm confused about that, too. She was perfect fabulous.
• 26:05
  The Wardrobe days, put on her the turn of the century gowns,
• 26:08
  Stunning. She was serving in those
• 26:11
  outfits. Oh my God, amazing.
• 26:14
  She looks so good. And it was interesting because
• 26:16
  she was wearing kimono because she was like, a Japanese
• 26:18
  national she was wearing, like, maybe not handbook, exactly.
• 26:21
  But kind or sometimes maybe she was, she was wearing western
• 26:25
  clothes of the times, like late 1800's, early 1900's, I was like
• 26:28
  1910s. Like bustling behind, you know,
• 26:30
  behind her and stuff like that. And like kind of waistcoats or
• 26:33
  what do they call those little coats and she just looked so
• 26:35
  good, little fascinator, hats. And I don't No, sometimes people
• 26:39
  who are not from a culture or a timeframe wearing, those things,
• 26:42
  look a little awkward. They look a little cosplay,
• 26:45
  through no fault of their own, but she was awaring, Anna.
• 26:47
  No, it's okay. We're not wearing her.
• 26:49
  She was wearing the glove, right?
• 26:51
  Yeah, right. It looks so good.
• 26:54
  And then her acting, of course, and then her athleticism.
• 26:57
  And yeah, her little looks a little, like little glances,
• 27:01
  just her little nose scrunch. Yeah, give that a 10 scrunch.
• 27:05
  I'm so glad you mentioned that. I don't have that in my notes,
• 27:07
  that was amazing. She really brought something to
• 27:10
  the show that was necessarily missing.
• 27:14
  I think that you needed another rallying point besides confettis
• 27:18
  character. And she is so charismatic and
• 27:21
  kind of easy to root for in certain moments.
• 27:23
  She a lot of the characters are not 100% good, A lot of the
• 27:29
  characters have Shades of Grey are not good, not bad.
• 27:34
  Just kind of going with the flow changing allegiances throughout
• 27:37
  the show. And not necessarily an emphasis
• 27:40
  on someone who's straight evil for evil cyclic, people have
• 27:46
  reasons for doing things, even the traders in the show have
• 27:50
  reasons for doing what they're doing.
• 27:53
  So, the Back stories were so rich.
• 27:55
  So rich for some, for the major characters, right?
• 27:58
  And some of them, we never some people might have Baxter's.
• 28:00
  Like I was like, what's the translators deal?
• 28:02
  Like Eugene's low? Personal translator guy like
• 28:04
  what's his story or like, you know, like some of the people I
• 28:07
  wanted more information. An honor like the woman who like
• 28:10
  takes the ferry over to their side and to the other Mountain.
• 28:13
  Yeah. Yeah, you know she's an Archer
• 28:15
  like what was her dealer like there's so many more characters
• 28:18
  that they were so interesting. I don't know what other word to
• 28:21
  use for interesting, but in make compelling, it was like what
• 28:23
  else is going on there? Because and the fact that you
• 28:25
  did know some people's Back stories to a great amount of
• 28:27
  detail. It was really like, oh my God
• 28:30
  there's so much more like layers upon layers upon layers.
• 28:32
  Yeah it's like an onion. This shows like an onion truly
• 28:35
  and so I did want to Got, oh my God, I'm gonna eat inside.
• 28:40
  I wanted to give attention to the female empowerment kind of
• 28:45
  side of it and I think we need to segue into just identity and
• 28:50
  Korean - as another theme throughout the show because
• 28:54
  there are so many characters who are grappling with being Korean
• 28:58
  American or Korean Japanese or Japanese Korean.
• 29:02
  Like, whatever the case is, they are not just one thing and they
• 29:07
  have so much Trauma in their backstory that they feel like
• 29:11
  they need to abandon their home country, home culture, and
• 29:17
  adopt. Another way of life or risk,
• 29:20
  just dying like in Korea, right? The self-preservation the
• 29:25
  survival ship that the reasons behind some of their stuff was.
• 29:29
  So again, compelling. And also it was definitely
• 29:33
  struck a nerve. I think of like I don't know.
• 29:36
  Like how do you survive all this stuff?
• 29:38
  Especially if for Hyun. I think she was a woman on top
• 29:40
  of all of it, right? Like she also has all these
• 29:42
  identity issues and, you know, yeah, trauma and everything
• 29:46
  going around. Yeah, going on with her, I
• 29:48
  should say. Yeah, we can definitely talk
• 29:50
  about their individual traumas later in the spoiler section,
• 29:54
  but I feel like the patriotism in the show was kind of like, if
• 30:02
  it was a graph, it was like kind of low at the beginning and kind
• 30:07
  of low is saying Something because the show is all about
• 30:10
  patriotism in a way. And then towards the later
• 30:13
  episodes, it just skyrockets. It's just an exponential growth
• 30:17
  towards the end and you feel, I mean, by the end, I was like,
• 30:21
  man, fuck Japan, like not going to lie, I'm not gonna lie.
• 30:26
  I was like, okay, but they dichotomy totally okay.
• 30:31
  So well not okay, this economy. I mean like they let me to Japan
• 30:33
  again. I want to, I want to visit Japan
• 30:36
  again. Please don't know.
• 30:37
  But To say that about this with the dichotomy between this
• 30:40
  intense amount of patriotism. Nationalism, the whole show
• 30:44
  overall is very nationalistic towards Korea which obviously
• 30:46
  makes sense. And yeah, there's this sense of
• 30:48
  like these unjust Japanese powers or sometimes American
• 30:51
  powers or sometimes like whoever Russia and Chinese and everybody
• 30:55
  was all up in Korea's Grill, I guess.
• 30:58
  But what was interesting was like this dichotomy of this
• 31:01
  patriotism nationalism and the fact that some people don't have
• 31:05
  that, right? Like someone's country could
• 31:06
  quote-unquote betray them. And you kind of belong, you
• 31:10
  belong, and you don't belong to the same time.
• 31:11
  That was like, I think a running theme for multiple characters.
• 31:14
  Of course, the main one being Eugene, but multiple characters
• 31:18
  where it's like you belong, you don't belong and then going back
• 31:20
  to the survivorship and trying to assimilate sort of, was like
• 31:23
  the fact that so many characters are trilingual builing you all,
• 31:28
  you know, again like with you know, wearing all she she can
• 31:31
  fit into anything like a glove. Like, as far as like identity
• 31:33
  and I even talked about the clothes in this point, but when
• 31:35
  she's a, you know, she's speaking French, she's speaking.
• 31:38
  Speaking Japanese just speaking Korean.
• 31:40
  Like, like she just had it going on like, in all different ways
• 31:43
  because she had to. And it was a very interesting
• 31:46
  because even though so nationalistic and patriotic and
• 31:49
  all the stuff in real, he's trying to stir up feelings for
• 31:51
  like, you know, Korea is a liberated country.
• 31:54
  It also have these moments where it's like actually some people
• 31:57
  are not that like thrill about Korea, you know, some people
• 31:59
  like, you know, Korea sucks. So yeah because of this stuff
• 32:02
  that they were going through and what what Justice or Injustice
• 32:05
  is they experienced, right? It's interesting.
• 32:08
  To see Korea portrayed in such a positive light as far as like
• 32:12
  nationalistic pride of Sauron throughout the show.
• 32:14
  But then you also see the absolute chaos behind the scenes
• 32:19
  of what like people are actively selling the country out and
• 32:24
  people who should be on the countryside are on the
• 32:26
  country's. Payroll are selling the country
• 32:28
  out. People who are trampled on and
• 32:32
  lowborn are low in society, are the ones who are rising up.
• 32:38
  And rebelling against Korea. So it's like a recreation pan of
• 32:44
  their own making, you know, Yeah, they've sown that see lead
• 32:49
  rebelling against Korea, are rebelling against Japan, or
• 32:52
  Bonneau rebelling against Korea because I totally mean to say
• 32:55
  like some characters again, like trauma have been just treated.
• 33:01
  So poorly by those in higher power in Korea that when they
• 33:07
  gain some semblance of power throughout the show, they come
• 33:10
  back with a vengeance. It's like karma for Korea as a
• 33:13
  whole to height. No, you're right.
• 33:16
  Your own citizens. Try and break it apart.
• 33:21
  You know, which is very intense, like, some characters.
• 33:23
  Like what Korea screwed anyway. So like, what's might as well be
• 33:26
  me the product data to it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:31
  I think that, wow, we could talk a lot about identity.
• 33:34
  Korean is patriotism and all that too.
• 33:36
  But I think we touched on one of the last themes, which is
• 33:40
  classism and the slave economy and the discrimination and
• 33:44
  prejudice against low boards throughout the show, and how
• 33:48
  that affects the characters. And how they have to work
• 33:52
  through that throughout the show.
• 33:55
  Right. They have to live within that
• 33:57
  like Realm. Yeah, the hierarchy.
• 33:59
  Yeah, a lot of characters come back to Korea with a lot of
• 34:02
  prestige, or a lot of power, especially Eugene.
• 34:05
  And once they start talking about their history, where they
• 34:09
  came from, what their family is there, look down upon Eugene is
• 34:14
  looked down upon because he comes from the slave class and
• 34:19
  it is so deep-rooted the classism over there or the case
• 34:24
  system. However, Were you want to put
• 34:26
  it? It is unbelievable to me how
• 34:30
  some characters have experienced so much goodness and benefited
• 34:34
  from these characters that come from low Origins, and I put that
• 34:38
  in other words, in quotation, mark Lowe Origins.
• 34:41
  And then as soon as they find out, someone is not who they
• 34:44
  thought they were there. Like, oh my God, I have to
• 34:47
  rethink my entire, like, perception of you have to say
• 34:53
  this aspect made me feel like this show.
• 34:55
  Also, very pro-american in a way.
• 34:57
  Yes, Eugene was the one who had upward Mobility out of everybody
• 35:00
  who actually achieved it on, you know, more than you know really
• 35:03
  or more than go dong Mei. He's the one who like achieves
• 35:07
  it and it's because he moved to America and becomes he rise up.
• 35:10
  The US Military and becomes a marine and so he is like a top
• 35:14
  up there officer part of the American legation when he gets
• 35:18
  to Soul or hunting or things with the yeah, hon song.
• 35:21
  I was in name is Sol before it was.
• 35:22
  So yeah. Correct.
• 35:25
  So in hon song he's like and it's so funny how we kind of
• 35:28
  like kind of teachers between like I know Korean I speak
• 35:31
  Korean but I'm not as I'm like I'm not afraid.
• 35:34
  He's like I'm American like he just keeps like going back and
• 35:37
  forth because it's such a it's not like really black and white,
• 35:41
  her like this side or that side for him, just go back to
• 35:43
  Identity for second with, you know, we were moving past but
• 35:46
  before him it's it was like a little bit past the, but his
• 35:50
  yeah he himself can never forget his quote unquote lowborn status
• 35:54
  Is that he originally had that's like part of his like motivation
• 35:57
  for a lot of things in the chip on the show.
• 35:58
  Mama. Exactly.
• 36:01
  And then at the same time, he commands all this power and he
• 36:03
  walks around, looking all good and stuff and his suit and
• 36:06
  everyone's like, oh my God, who is that?
• 36:07
  And even like, even just from looking at him, when they're
• 36:10
  like, that guy looks Korean but they can everyone can talk.
• 36:13
  That is not a Korean guy. Like he is, he is the Foreigner.
• 36:16
  He's not crazy, looks Korean. That's where look.
• 36:18
  So, Chris mentality is completely changed.
• 36:20
  When he comes back to Korea, because he doesn't, he doesn't
• 36:23
  back down. He's got like the American like,
• 36:27
  Spirit about him, which is weird.
• 36:30
  So everybody in the show because they're like, you look and sound
• 36:33
  Korean, but you are not Korean because you would not have
• 36:35
  talked to me that way if you were Korean.
• 36:37
  And I would argue to, he doesn't even with Japanese soldiers and
• 36:41
  stuff, because they don't go into how much or time he spent
• 36:44
  in Japan are like, why he's so fluent in Japan?
• 36:46
  Japanese. I don't think they did unless I
• 36:48
  missed it, but he also has the same kind of like, you know,
• 36:51
  he's just America that's actually American.
• 36:53
  Like, you just have this like Like Swag, yeah about it.
• 36:56
  When you're talking in Japanese or they're addressing Japanese
• 36:59
  people addressing Korean people. He's just like kind of similarly
• 37:02
  like like what are you gonna do to me?
• 37:05
  Exactly, like I'm American, you cannot touch me.
• 37:09
  That is the attitude that he has throughout the show, and it
• 37:13
  really irks a lot of characters and they call him out on it.
• 37:16
  They're like, well, you must be American, which is kind of funny
• 37:20
  to stereotypical entitled. Yes.
• 37:22
  To watch the It on screen from EPO and then who he's doing
• 37:28
  great great. He's nailing to me, it's like as
• 37:31
  an American. I'm like yeah, man, that's it,
• 37:35
  you got it, you know. I know this is like he was he
• 37:40
  would smile. So broadly and so toothy, as
• 37:43
  soon as he encountered other American soldiers, he's like,
• 37:46
  hey, like to everyone and I was like, that's so American is like
• 37:49
  Miley and bears. Like I felt a little called out
• 37:51
  like that. How I run around the world like
• 37:53
  girls. Like, Bro.
• 37:56
  Do I just smile at everybody? Well I'm from Miami is
• 37:59
  different. We might not smile at everybody,
• 38:02
  kind of mean, but it's okay. Yeah, I really like, you know,
• 38:06
  like that whole like effervescence that stereotypical
• 38:09
  effervescence because, you know, I lived for many years in New
• 38:11
  York and they're not smiling everybody.
• 38:12
  There be just like that that that aspect of it was so
• 38:16
  embarrassed, so much bravado coming from him at times and
• 38:20
  yeah, I kind of I feel it's active.
• 38:25
  I feel a certain type of way, seeing it on screen portrayed by
• 38:28
  you being good, but it's great. I do think that the
• 38:31
  american-ness of the show is something that was taking me
• 38:35
  aback as well and how they perceived America.
• 38:39
  I don't think anyone here, you know, us to our under any
• 38:43
  delusions, like America sucks and it's also very great like in
• 38:47
  equal measure and our history is just as terrible as everybody
• 38:51
  else's country. And at one point, Like I can
• 38:54
  remember which character says it's like year.
• 38:56
  You also believe him in imperialism because of Puerto
• 39:01
  Rico Guam, the Philippines like a names all of these
• 39:03
  territories. Well, I don't even Korea, we
• 39:05
  still did this day have huge military bases in Korea.
• 39:08
  So, right. Well, I mean, effectively, like,
• 39:10
  did we call an Eis? It maybe not, but we are there.
• 39:13
  We're definitely there. Are there more?
• 39:16
  It's still ongoing. But anyway, because they needed
• 39:18
  evidently, um, yeah, but maybe not every Korean person thrilled
• 39:23
  about that. Even to this day and I totally
• 39:26
  get that. I totally get that.
• 39:27
  Yeah, how a foot hold in so many different places that I don't
• 39:32
  think Americans even realize and yeah, it's it is like that
• 39:37
  imperialism that, I think it was a Japanese Colonel that was
• 39:40
  talking about it. He was like, I am no different
• 39:43
  than you are. Like we're here to do the same
• 39:45
  thing essentially that you did in all these other places.
• 39:47
  Yeah, which is crazy. Like to me, it's like, you know,
• 39:51
  pot calling the kettle, black, you know, No, no one is good in
• 39:56
  this show. Everyone is all kinds of Shades
• 39:58
  of Grey anyway. Yeah, I feel like we ventured a
• 40:02
  little bit into spoiler territory.
• 40:03
  So, I think we can break for spoilers.
• 40:06
  What would you give this show out of five Soju bottles?
• 40:11
  Okay. It's hard because it was so
• 40:12
  beautiful and stunning but then sometimes I like wasn't feeling
• 40:16
  it and then sometimes I feel like I was so engrossed in,
• 40:18
  like, the political aspects. I didn't care what the Romantic
• 40:20
  aspect sometimes. I was like, wait, what happened
• 40:22
  to romance, you know, or whatever?
• 40:24
  So I would say, three out of five so Jews because of that.
• 40:30
  But but like you said, like everything you said, still
• 40:32
  stands, like definitely worthwhile.
• 40:34
  Yeah. When the show ended, I was like,
• 40:36
  oh my God, this is, I was writing a high, right?
• 40:39
  This is a 5 out of 5. G.
• 40:41
  Oh my God, it's so good. Now, I'm sitting here talking
• 40:43
  about it and I'm kind of like, taking a step back.
• 40:46
  I feel like it's probably a four out of five show four out of
• 40:49
  five Soju bottles for me because again, so many positives great
• 40:54
  production, amazing stunning production, but is it?
• 40:58
  My favorite story? Did I have a full grasp of
• 41:01
  everything that was going on? I feel like they were I was
• 41:03
  playing 20 chess games at the same time instead of one chess
• 41:06
  game. That's what it felt like to
• 41:07
  follow this. Yeah, well, I was like, oh I was
• 41:09
  here, we're here. Oh, this is romance chess.
• 41:11
  Bored. Oh, this is the secondary,
• 41:12
  Romans chessboard, like, oh, we're doing like all these
• 41:14
  things. And that is a little bit
• 41:17
  frustrating at the end of the day because what what did you
• 41:22
  like about the show? Was that everything was just a
• 41:24
  couple of chess boards? Was it all the chess boards.
• 41:27
  So I feel like it's a 4 out of 5.
• 41:30
  I think if you watch it one more time because this was my second
• 41:32
  viewing and you may like a just a little bit or at least have a
• 41:35
  better focus on like what you did or didn't like about it
• 41:38
  because yeah, it was a lot to take in At once, it's so like
• 41:42
  hyper stimulating, cuz you're like, what is happening?
• 41:44
  And then the second time you watch, you're like, oh yeah, you
• 41:47
  know, I get it. Like, for me at least it made a
• 41:49
  lot more sense as I bent. All right?
• 41:51
  We're going to get into spoilers right after this.
• 42:01
  You want to come in. Okay, we're on the other side of
• 42:04
  spoilers. We're going to spoil their shit
• 42:05
  out on mr. Sunshine right now and
• 42:07
  everything is on the table, all the chess boards are available.
• 42:10
  To us to talk about. So Mina, I think you wanted to
• 42:14
  start with the historical aspect of the show and go into some of
• 42:19
  your research, because I, yes, I think this is going to help
• 42:23
  ground as a little bit both in our discussion and for the
• 42:25
  people who watch it, but don't remember or wash and don't
• 42:28
  really know what they all watched.
• 42:29
  So just clear that I'm not like an expert in Korean history or
• 42:32
  like a Korean studies Professor or something.
• 42:34
  But I did read a few things. One of the main things are roses
• 42:37
  book called Korea, history by Eugene, why park?
• 42:39
  That's where most of my information.
• 42:40
  Images from. And then I'll also send you some
• 42:43
  links that you can post for other articles and stuff if you
• 42:45
  guys are interested. So first I want to talk about
• 42:48
  was just the class system, we were talking about earlier so
• 42:51
  the aristocracy the Choson area era I should say was called the
• 42:55
  Young bun. So aristocracy was young but
• 42:57
  that's like lady a she and you became young men through your
• 43:01
  family lineage. So if your ancestors were young
• 43:03
  Bond you inherited that title. You were young but as well.
• 43:08
  However, if a young man produced a child with, Enslaved person.
• 43:11
  This child would inherit the enslaved, parents status so they
• 43:18
  could not ever be young but aristocracy those of us growing
• 43:21
  up in the United States or learned US History.
• 43:23
  It's a little bit similar to in that sense of it at least a
• 43:26
  similar to u.s. slavery, right? So young bun, mainly where
• 43:31
  landowners, and that land was farmed for food and was worked
• 43:34
  by the enslaved. People.
• 43:37
  And a lot of young men were government officials or Scholars
• 43:40
  of ISM, which is what we saw. Lady issuance fought
• 43:42
  grandfather. I believe he was like making her
• 43:44
  study Confucian Confucius. Yeah.
• 43:49
  Below young Ben were the Chun in class, and I could be Miss
• 43:51
  pressing all this, so sorry, but they were kind of in between
• 43:54
  young bun and commoners and a lot of young Chilean I should
• 43:57
  say, a lot of chicken, were lower level Military Officers,
• 44:00
  or other government office workers.
• 44:01
  So, including those interpreters who work for the government,
• 44:04
  such as the ones we saw translating for the King, on the
• 44:06
  show, I believe would be considered chunin and Below
• 44:09
  Champion were commoners. Yeah, so commoners were often,
• 44:12
  Hindi crafters and Merchants. So, the baker, the Potter, the
• 44:16
  metalsmith characters in the show would probably be That are
• 44:19
  commoners. So then at the very bottom of
• 44:22
  the social hierarchy, we have the so-called lowborn, most of
• 44:25
  which were enslaved people or as they're called in Korean the no
• 44:28
  be, and no be could be purchased or inherited through young buns
• 44:32
  family. But unlike slavery, here in the
• 44:34
  US, no be were ethnically Korean.
• 44:36
  So didn't have those like racial and ethnic differences as you
• 44:39
  might have guessed is from watching the show that it's like
• 44:42
  people in the US had so it was not uncommon for it was not
• 44:47
  uncommon for. Or no be to run away and and
• 44:51
  then just get wage paying jobs or just try and make a living in
• 44:54
  other ways. And there were slave catchers,
• 44:56
  who have to go find them paid for by the young bright.
• 44:59
  And I'm not gonna get into like the details of like how slavery
• 45:01
  and Korea sort of ended, it took some time.
• 45:03
  It was a bit. Gradual wasn't like any
• 45:05
  emancipation like we had here in the US, but it basically, what
• 45:09
  it boils down to is a lot of, like, money stuff, as with
• 45:11
  everything, you know, having no be was cost costly having to pay
• 45:17
  catchers for them was also, Very costly.
• 45:19
  And after a while, I was just like, you know what?
• 45:20
  We may as well just higher wage workers to work early and right,
• 45:23
  so that was one thing I wanted to mention.
• 45:26
  Yeah, it seems like in the show, it is, on the, I guess it's
• 45:31
  taking place just after this sort of grand emancipation of
• 45:36
  slaves in Korea. And now those slave hunters and
• 45:40
  people that work for the young bonds are able to leave able to
• 45:44
  work for a wage for the same family or what have you but
• 45:48
  yeah. As in 1894, I believe these.
• 45:50
  When they formally abolished AC and then a lot of it is still.
• 45:53
  Yes, a lot of characters were referencing.
• 45:55
  Like it's a new world, you know. There is no more young Bond and
• 46:01
  no be or but they're kind of still.
• 46:03
  Was it just through like for example, the butcher Butcher
• 46:07
  discrimination, so the Google made was a butcher's son and we
• 46:11
  see in the beginning to show when I still like the early
• 46:13
  1800s, when no be were still thing, the butcher's are treated
• 46:16
  so badly. So poorly Really looked down
• 46:19
  upon and that really continues into Japanese Occupation zones
• 46:22
  like the 30s, 1932 20s and 30s. So that continued and one kind
• 46:27
  of notable thing about nobody who are more or less emancipated
• 46:30
  to certain extent because it was like, seeing with America to
• 46:33
  like, people were emancipated. But then you still had people
• 46:35
  who are working on farms still and working as labourers still
• 46:39
  have with really reduced wages. But in Korea, one thing I
• 46:43
  noticed I was interesting different from the US.
• 46:45
  I think, was that they had this sort of freedom to Kind of adopt
• 46:49
  a new identity. So a lot of people would take
• 46:51
  would who became emancipated or left the nobody system adopted
• 46:56
  surnames of aristocratic, I'm asked this.
• 46:58
  So like him, we park. Yeah.
• 47:00
  Everybody else. Like noble families last names.
• 47:03
  Yeah. And they wanted to be associated
• 47:04
  with the young bongs these great noble families.
• 47:07
  And so they just be like, oh yeah, I'm a toy.
• 47:09
  Oh yeah, I'm Ali. Yeah.
• 47:11
  Oh, I'll and they just during this time period.
• 47:13
  There was a lot of like, people just taking last names for the
• 47:16
  first time because people didn't have last names.
• 47:19
  Only the Young fans had right, needs is crazy.
• 47:22
  And then one other thing I want to mention kind of related to
• 47:25
  women and likely d--ation situation was that during chosen
• 47:29
  era, they were really into neo-confucianism and this like
• 47:31
  hold because they didn't have as much in the choreo or Sheila
• 47:34
  dynasties or in this exact way where women suddenly had to
• 47:37
  switch with your Noble or like lady Asian.
• 47:39
  You had to be personally, had to be married so that you could
• 47:43
  have a son. So could carry on the your name,
• 47:45
  your lineage or inheritance you're young bun status and And
• 47:48
  if you didn't have a son, like, for example, lady issues,
• 47:51
  grandfather didn't have one cause she was refused and get
• 47:53
  married and her her aunt's never had any sons.
• 47:56
  So you could adopt your brother's son or son of a cousin
• 47:59
  on your father's side and make them an air.
• 48:01
  But illegitimate Sons could not be heirs in because his new
• 48:04
  neo-confucianism daughters just could not have property rights
• 48:07
  or inheritance rights as women but they did have to cover their
• 48:10
  faces so you see Lady issue and traveling her little palanquin.
• 48:14
  I don't know perhaps that properly, that little like I
• 48:15
  said palanquins and then I could be wrong palanquin right?
• 48:19
  Yeah, and then that like head covering, it looks like it looks
• 48:21
  like a skirt. Looks like the start of a
• 48:23
  handbook is called the tsukishima, which is, which I
• 48:25
  could, my parents are so get Chima.
• 48:27
  So team has skirt and Koreans. It's like a scarf or they
• 48:29
  actually it's formatted. Meaning, they cut a little bit
• 48:31
  shorter and stuff. So it's really for, as like a
• 48:33
  headdress of, yeah, it looks a little, like, a look ahead
• 48:36
  Korean so. So especially if you're a noble
• 48:37
  woman, you cannot be seen by men and then also the top not worn
• 48:42
  by men in joseon Era and the beginning, but until they like
• 48:44
  move into this Western modernization, had to do with
• 48:47
  Confucian filial people. Piety.
• 48:49
  So you are prohibited from tampering with your body because
• 48:52
  that you got that body from your parents age like preserve its to
• 48:55
  honor your parents and your parents gave you your hair and
• 48:57
  all this stuff, so you can't cut it and that becomes a major kind
• 49:01
  of player later in the show, when she gets her care, try
• 49:05
  that. And also, when she gets her hair
• 49:07
  chopped off, and also the fact, but as the Korea's modernizing,
• 49:10
  right, they're starting to so the King, which we see in the
• 49:12
  show can call John. He was someone who's trying to
• 49:14
  intrude like really cooperate, the West make Korea, more
• 49:17
  modern, he introduced electricity, what you see?
• 49:18
  Sort of in the show he as you see like he's this artist adopt
• 49:23
  kind of its of his Royal robes. He's wearing like Western can I
• 49:25
  have some? Yeah a lot of the guys start
• 49:27
  chopping off their Top Knots intentionally because they're
• 49:30
  sort of moving this direction. Some people really displeased
• 49:33
  with King Kong's, trying to like you know make treaties with like
• 49:36
  different countries specially like Germany, England America.
• 49:40
  He was trying really hard because a lot of those treaties
• 49:42
  were kind of imbalance and So Korea.
• 49:44
  Can I have the underhand? Yeah, you know, they have more
• 49:46
  power. They more things.
• 49:47
  The tree is he had with Japan. Was you can't.
• 49:48
  Member if he had made them or someone else made them, it was
• 49:51
  stuff like Japan. Could explore as much rice as
• 49:52
  they wanted and never paid a tariff.
• 49:54
  Native never paid. A tax is sometimes led to things
• 49:56
  like rice George's for Koreans and so they're like having to
• 49:59
  re-import back their own rice. That was expert in Japan like
• 50:02
  that is something that was persisting for decades after
• 50:05
  this time period. Because I think we leave off in
• 50:08
  the show in like nineteen. Oh, seven or eight or something
• 50:10
  and Pachinko takes place decades later.
• 50:14
  And I mean they're talking about like rice is only for the
• 50:18
  Japanese white rice, looks the commoner people just don't eat
• 50:23
  rice. They eat barley rice which is
• 50:25
  like a Spore type of rice and they're eating that in this show
• 50:29
  to their like, eating raw barbarous because they can't
• 50:32
  freaking create a fire because they'll be find out.
• 50:34
  So they're eating literally raw barley wheat or rice and it's
• 50:39
  insane to see some of these things crop up.
• 50:42
  And another Prestige television show like Pachinko, which I keep
• 50:45
  bringing up and go. It's because we did a deep dive
• 50:47
  on the podcast. They go.
• 50:49
  So if you want to listen to that course grow back.
• 50:51
  But honestly, it is very interesting to hear all of the
• 50:56
  history that you just explained. And I love that you went into
• 51:00
  the, the kind of I think up not upheaval but like the changes
• 51:06
  that were happening during this time period and the type of
• 51:11
  environment that we're in like the classism and why is it so
• 51:15
  like such a thing? It's because that was the thing
• 51:17
  back then. You know it's like you doing a
• 51:21
  civil war movie, you're going to talk about like the north versus
• 51:25
  South, you know what I'm saying? Yes.
• 51:27
  Like, that's the thing that really brings me to that point
• 51:29
  of Eugene having this upper Mobility that until they like
• 51:33
  That even though they were like emancipate, adjust.
• 51:35
  It was a band. I should say.
• 51:36
  It was banned for them. There to be, no be anymore.
• 51:39
  It wasn't like, instantaneous, like we're all free like you
• 51:41
  hasn't like when I figure out what you're going to do, what's
• 51:43
  your new hustle and like, right? And some people stayed because
• 51:45
  it's like well this is familiar and that's what I know.
• 51:47
  So my child leave and like we had a good family owned and they
• 51:49
  never beat you and they never do.
• 51:50
  Yeah. So like you did you stay?
• 51:52
  Yeah, things like that happened here in America with when cyber
• 51:56
  slavery was ended as well. It was kind of like you have to
• 52:01
  create a whole new life for yourself.
• 52:02
  Like, what do you do? So I think it's very believable
• 52:06
  that Ashen radiation. Still has like her maids and her
• 52:12
  servants around her and they just are super loyal to her
• 52:15
  because they evidently worked for a very good family and he
• 52:18
  treated him well and he you know, did really good things
• 52:22
  toward the end of the show, which were groundbreaking.
• 52:24
  He was giving them property literally just giving them his
• 52:27
  property based on like seniority.
• 52:29
  Essentially, if you worked for me, for 30 years, you can have
• 52:32
  more property. Of my property.
• 52:34
  If you work for me for 20 years, you get this plot of land.
• 52:36
  Like it was very interesting to see how he ended up kind of
• 52:41
  righting the wrongs of his class by just being good to his
• 52:46
  servants. Well, this idea of like almost
• 52:49
  reparations comes up a lot because at first, like I was
• 52:51
  saying in the beginning, I feel like the servants added towards
• 52:54
  and like they're just kind of like literal bowing and scraping
• 52:57
  tool ADHD and was a little irking.
• 52:59
  Yes. Because like what is this?
• 53:01
  Like this is so annoying but then Eugene basically called rat
• 53:04
  is like hey just like I was no be like when he finally
• 53:07
  confesses that he was one when he originally was he was
• 53:10
  originally quote-unquote lowborn and he's like you know, your
• 53:14
  servants, your homegrown, your whole way there.
• 53:16
  Those people saying to her, I forgot but they They are, they
• 53:18
  can't do the things that I couldn't do when I was no be,
• 53:21
  you know, they are and then she's having this like
• 53:23
  realization moment, I think, in he song her fiance, when he is
• 53:27
  like realizing like, oh my God, my family screwed over Eugene's
• 53:30
  family killed, his parents, and he's starting to like try and
• 53:33
  make. Also, I think very much feel
• 53:35
  like reparations, like he finds the guy who got beat because his
• 53:38
  watch was broken and he's like, you know, doing all these
• 53:40
  things. And so these people have these,
• 53:41
  these nobility people are having these Enlightenment moments,
• 53:45
  which I like I said that's like what part of the payoff thing we
• 53:47
  like, yeah. Yeah.
• 53:48
  Look you wanna see that but it's also like so interesting that
• 53:52
  they are showing this because it does it seem as nationalistic as
• 53:55
  it's like hey we were having our own problems to like we weren't
• 53:58
  perfect before, a Japanese showed up and then they ruined
• 54:00
  everything and now you know, like wasn't anything.
• 54:03
  Yeah. The narrative, some dramas maybe
• 54:05
  show her some some depictions of stuff show but uh-huh.
• 54:07
  Right. Yeah, I think I realized this go
• 54:10
  for it. No, I'm just going to finish.
• 54:13
  But just by saying, like this, the fact that people were having
• 54:15
  these epiphanies in the show, the characters of like, oh my
• 54:18
  gosh, like I contributed to this terrible system of Oppression
• 54:21
  and we're trying to free and liberate Korea but like we have
• 54:23
  oppression in Korea, Jenny way, you know, fry whole classes of
• 54:27
  people. Right was was definitely like
• 54:29
  part of that payoff. Like yeah.
• 54:31
  Yeah I love when he confronts her and finally says what his
• 54:34
  Origins are and she's stunned into silence and he basically
• 54:41
  challenges her Her. And he says, who are you fucking
• 54:44
  fighting for? Like is it for everybody?
• 54:47
  Or is it just for the young Bond?
• 54:49
  Are you trying to free Korea from all of these Western
• 54:52
  influences and from Japan? The all terrible Japan for just
• 54:55
  your class or is it for everyone?
• 54:57
  Is it for the butcher's for me for the slaves.
• 55:01
  You know what is this new world that you're trying to create is
• 55:03
  a just to benefit you and I love how an episode like 10 or 11.
• 55:09
  She says my world came crumbling down what a thing to say.
• 55:13
  She just never considered his Origins.
• 55:16
  She says I just felt weird. Is that I just assumed you were
• 55:19
  Young Band like a nobleman? Yeah.
• 55:22
  Yeah. But before that, it was dull met
• 55:24
  as a child. Right?
• 55:25
  Who like wakes her up a little bit in the palanquins.
• 55:28
  Break, is he? He is like escaping his Your
• 55:31
  situation and she sees him all like kind of looking
• 55:34
  blood-streaked and she say so no questions asked in my.
• 55:38
  Yeah. And then once he gets in, he's
• 55:40
  like you're just a fool Rich fool who like it lives in
• 55:43
  comfort. And what the hell do you know?
• 55:44
  Like, it's it, that was like, her first taste of like Reality
• 55:47
  Bites. Like, you know, like, oh my gosh
• 55:49
  slapped with this truth bomb. And so that kind of, she says
• 55:53
  later, like that stayed with like that.
• 55:55
  Haunted me, my whole, yes, whatever.
• 55:57
  The last thing she says to him and and he's like, well good.
• 56:01
  Then yeah whatever okay good I changed our world view but I
• 56:05
  know he meant it also was good. You just you thought of me
• 56:08
  because he was in love with her he right?
• 56:10
  He meant it as like you remember me?
• 56:12
  Like it was weird because weird but it did have like it has
• 56:15
  multiple purposes in the end, I guess for her, as like, her
• 56:18
  character development, like she had that first taste of it and
• 56:21
  then she had Eugene, you know, tell yourself, I think even
• 56:24
  meeting. He know, you know.
• 56:26
  Yeah you do. Yeah I heard I just are holding,
• 56:27
  how could he know? And she didn't know all of maybe
• 56:30
  he knows. Baggage.
• 56:31
  But I think she knew like, okay like you're hustling you're out
• 56:35
  here. You have like a story and she's
• 56:37
  wrestling. Wait I've been couched in like a
• 56:38
  luxury my whole life and I wine every single day about it you
• 56:41
  know. Yeah she's bitching for nothing
• 56:44
  and not that she's bitching. The whole show is just like
• 56:46
  little things here and there but you're like, shut up like
• 56:48
  everyone at some point. Says, Sheehan in so many words.
• 56:52
  Like shut up. You're an old cabin like you
• 56:55
  live a great life and just so many people were like, don't do
• 56:59
  this. Just go back to your, like,
• 57:00
  little Yeah. People were like dunk it
• 57:02
  involved. It's very serious.
• 57:04
  It's so dangerous. Just go back to your cushy life
• 57:06
  and she's always like, no, I don't want to and continues on
• 57:10
  her. Merry suicidal way.
• 57:13
  She says, I one point I thought I was different from other
• 57:16
  Nobles, but I wasn't the cause I fought for was nothing but
• 57:19
  ironic, which I was like, damn, that sucks to suck because she
• 57:24
  was fine. She thought she was fighting for
• 57:27
  something. Good.
• 57:28
  Should even know the whole story should know who was calling the
• 57:30
  shots in the Righteous army or nothing.
• 57:33
  She was just Flying Blind and then she realizes like, what am
• 57:36
  I even fighting for? Who am I fighting for?
• 57:39
  And it like threw her for a loop.
• 57:43
  It is and I do think the backstory of her parents being
• 57:46
  kind of the first righteous Army.
• 57:48
  Yeah, like whatever that pose a call that then but like
• 57:50
  revolutionaries or whatever. And so she was both.
• 57:53
  I don't know, I couldn't tell what her motivations where I let
• 57:55
  me know what you think, but it was it like carry on this mantle
• 57:57
  of her parents as a coal deal. Or was she this just this page?
• 58:01
  Periodic for some reason even though like she did nothing.
• 58:03
  She didn't she wanted for nothing.
• 58:05
  So, like, she's fighting for this.
• 58:06
  Like what her luxury life like, I know it's not that, but let
• 58:09
  her jump at first, I was struggling to really.
• 58:11
  Yes, tell me I'm going to jump in here because I really feel
• 58:14
  like it's because she was so educated.
• 58:17
  Like her grandfather doted on her and educated Her Way, Beyond
• 58:23
  what a woman should have been educated for during that time
• 58:26
  period. And then she started, she just
• 58:28
  has a rebellious Spirit about her.
• 58:30
  I feel And so, she started reading the newspaper.
• 58:33
  He didn't want her to read the newspaper.
• 58:34
  He didn't want her to get up to date on current events.
• 58:37
  He didn't water to know what's going on in the government and
• 58:39
  she was extremely interested in that and she it kind of like lit
• 58:42
  a fire in her because, you know, when they tell you not to do
• 58:45
  something, first of all, you're getting as a teenager going to
• 58:48
  want to do it even now, I'm kind of like, well, I'll do it anyway
• 58:51
  and she definitely had a little bit of that in her, but also,
• 58:55
  she just felt such a moral responsibility, even as a child,
• 58:59
  saving the butcher, son dong Mei.
• 59:01
  Yeah, she thought she knew it was the right thing to do.
• 59:04
  She had a great moral compass. And you know, it's only later
• 59:08
  that people start like, talking about, like, how you're more her
• 59:11
  moral compass, isn't that all that pointing North?
• 59:15
  So, yeah, well, that's my fans. Ironically, she was so like, you
• 59:19
  know, on her high horse about like, you know, I'm not like the
• 59:21
  other Nobles but then she's like bring my penguin and then it's
• 59:26
  like like bring that letter to me or whatever it is.
• 59:28
  She's doing all that. Like, nobilities just very hot
• 59:31
  here. Like yeah, super snobby.
• 59:33
  It's not because she's even the fact that she is willing to
• 59:36
  marry he song just like I know for her as a bit hypothetical
• 59:39
  because he's away for so long. He's very conveniently just like
• 59:41
  not showing all right to marry her and he was but she was still
• 59:44
  she and no point was like I'm not really like I'm until like
• 59:47
  he showed up in her face and was like oh crap I got pound.
• 59:49
  Okay. But until then she's just like
• 59:51
  yeah then it's almost like yeah okay I'll marry whatever and
• 59:53
  then like I found it interesting that she didn't fight that
• 59:55
  earlier but maybe that's me, just putting hairs and being
• 59:58
  nitpicky about this. You're right, I agree.
• 1:00:01
  With that, that she seemed to be okay with marrying.
• 1:00:04
  Who song when she would like 10 years ago, I guess when she was
• 1:00:08
  20, or maybe 19 years old, or like, yeah, she was like 19 and
• 1:00:14
  that's when they got engaged and then he like fucked off to
• 1:00:15
  Japan. Which is why that I was like for
• 1:00:19
  him. He like why did he go away?
• 1:00:22
  And not come back. Because he was.
• 1:00:23
  So lonely, had all these like, kind of superficial seem like
• 1:00:26
  vacuous relationships in Japan, was just like smoking, drinking
• 1:00:29
  gambling reading like, right? Like itself, important things,
• 1:00:32
  and then like, not coming back to Korea.
• 1:00:34
  He was so lonely, because like I felt his loneliness and I was
• 1:00:37
  like, why you just come here and marry her sooner.
• 1:00:39
  When you were finished rather than just like, extending your
• 1:00:41
  school or whatever he was doing in Japan like a guy?
• 1:00:44
  I think he was also in since the same way that she was rebelling.
• 1:00:48
  She was rebelling against his own family, which he felt like
• 1:00:50
  was such a burden. His family was such a burden on
• 1:00:53
  him. Everything they did cost
• 1:00:55
  something someone else their livelihood or their lives and
• 1:01:00
  so, So I feel like he truly felt burdened by the responsibilities
• 1:01:05
  of the family and somehow innately knew that everybody in
• 1:01:10
  his family was doing something wrong or had wrong to others.
• 1:01:14
  And I think he was just just avoiding like just deny that I
• 1:01:19
  avoiding in Japan, having a good time in Japan, trying to fill
• 1:01:22
  this void with all this crap that you mentioned like studying
• 1:01:26
  for 10 years and women and just being a romantic.
• 1:01:31
  Take this. Is this what she says to him as
• 1:01:33
  well? Kim Teddy's character says to
• 1:01:37
  me, Bianca and like, oh, we're living in the Romantic Era.
• 1:01:39
  People tell me. We're living in the Romantic Era
• 1:01:41
  and it's very true for whose tongues character because he's
• 1:01:47
  living a romantic fantasy, you know what he likes.
• 1:01:50
  He loves useless things, you know.
• 1:01:51
  Yeah, he loves uses to keep say that this is like x-ray looks
• 1:01:54
  the star in the moon's like whatever he was saying stars in
• 1:01:57
  the moons and the flowers and all this shit like he's just a
• 1:01:59
  hippie. And he comes back finally.
• 1:02:03
  And for some reason, he thinks not to talk to his family.
• 1:02:06
  First, he goes to visit his fiance with whom.
• 1:02:08
  He's never seen in his life before.
• 1:02:12
  Yeah. But he's like, I love him and
• 1:02:14
  he's ready love at first sight because he sees her, and he's
• 1:02:16
  like, perfect. I need that flower in my life
• 1:02:19
  for the rest of my life. And he regret staying away for
• 1:02:22
  so long. Because she's just so stunning,
• 1:02:24
  right? She's beautiful.
• 1:02:26
  And what she is, she is no doubt, but I I feel you on
• 1:02:31
  Nitpicks though, I'm feeling on, like, what is this motivation?
• 1:02:36
  And, like, for 10 years or 10 years?
• 1:02:39
  It is not a short amount of time that these people are rebelling
• 1:02:44
  in their way, their own ways, right?
• 1:02:47
  Yeah, I have to go back to the acting with of the guy who
• 1:02:50
  played he song like his ability, because he had so much more
• 1:02:54
  like, people just like he's a dummy which you kind of was, but
• 1:02:56
  then he kind of like had more going on if he like, put any
• 1:02:59
  effort into like rubbing and she brings us together.
• 1:03:01
  Warming up thought he kind of like had like because when he
• 1:03:04
  would you agree to be like hahaha I am.
• 1:03:06
  He's yeah everybody was and and then he went, he could like turn
• 1:03:09
  that stuff off and on when he was like, trying to
• 1:03:11
  strategically help everybody else.
• 1:03:13
  He was also the way he was initially submitted by issuing.
• 1:03:17
  He was smitten with dong Mei smitten with Eugene and I was
• 1:03:21
  like, he just is on with everybody.
• 1:03:22
  Like he is like a rabbit's. He wanted his ready to be their
• 1:03:25
  friends. He's ready to throw down as much
• 1:03:27
  as he could. He loves Hina like he loved
• 1:03:29
  everybody. And he's like this is my Crew
• 1:03:31
  and he kind of made them. The interesting thing is that he
• 1:03:34
  made them the glue kind of or he was the glue to make them like a
• 1:03:36
  crew because otherwise like Hina did have her pull and then is
• 1:03:40
  she had her pull but otherwise like the real glue.
• 1:03:43
  I think, to my opinion anyway, was he saw his character and I
• 1:03:45
  think the acting was so good where he seems both like, like
• 1:03:49
  tacky vacuous. Kind of like a Playboy who just
• 1:03:52
  like you want to dismiss. Yeah he's like no I'm her.
• 1:03:54
  Actually, I'm really so lonely and I'm really hurt and I have
• 1:03:56
  all these like Deep Emotions. That is a little hard for him to
• 1:03:59
  like Express pinpoint and Say, but he has them, and the way
• 1:04:03
  they liked his character develops was also, of course.
• 1:04:05
  Well written. But his acting I thought was
• 1:04:07
  again. He, this guy just might be my
• 1:04:09
  type and his like, you know, but I like to see his old y'all.
• 1:04:14
  Yeah. Like he's like this
• 1:04:16
  stereotypical pretty boy from a rich family and in kdrama like
• 1:04:20
  these guys you you end up rooting for them because they're
• 1:04:24
  so charming and they have everything going for them and he
• 1:04:29
  liked by all accounts, he should have ended.
• 1:04:31
  With actions character because he's formatted in kdrama land.
• 1:04:36
  Like, oh, he sacrificed her? That's like part of his
• 1:04:38
  preparations. Like, think he was on.
• 1:04:40
  He's like, you know what? I'll give that up.
• 1:04:43
  I don't understand like obviously I can understand him
• 1:04:46
  giving her up because she didn't love him.
• 1:04:48
  Right? And he's somehow very honorable
• 1:04:51
  and was like, yeah, it's so I'm not going to marry someone who
• 1:04:54
  doesn't want me. Cool.
• 1:04:56
  Yeah, but then it also veered into that reparation, sing where
• 1:05:00
  he was like Well, if she loves Eve young'uns character, If he,
• 1:05:03
  if she loves Eugene and my family has done everything wrong
• 1:05:06
  to Eugene and taking everything from him.
• 1:05:09
  Like, how am I going to take her from him?
• 1:05:12
  Right. So I feel kind of conflicted
• 1:05:16
  about like why he let her go because I don't necessarily want
• 1:05:19
  to be a reparations thing. I wanted to be just like a good
• 1:05:22
  man. I know at one point, he says to
• 1:05:25
  Eugene himself when he was like, oh you do this or he said
• 1:05:27
  something about like, oh you let her go or whatever, like you're
• 1:05:29
  not following her. And he's like, not because they
• 1:05:31
  you, he's like, she wants to be a free woman.
• 1:05:34
  She was live her own life and I did appreciate that.
• 1:05:36
  He, the said to me, at least Express to Eugene was definitely
• 1:05:38
  out of pettiness. Like, he's are not going to
• 1:05:40
  admit that, it's for you. And though, I did feel like I
• 1:05:42
  Like it was all. So for him it or like the whole
• 1:05:44
  I did like the reparations, they had a component and that's but
• 1:05:46
  the fact that he was like, she wants to live her life and
• 1:05:49
  literally, no one will let her do that.
• 1:05:50
  Like a grandfather won't, everyone's hired as put down her
• 1:05:53
  gun and like, start being a lady.
• 1:05:54
  Like he's like, I'm gonna let her do what she wants to do.
• 1:05:56
  Like, I respected that so much. Maybe I'm giving him too much
• 1:05:59
  credit. The bar is low.
• 1:06:01
  Yeah, look, we can talk about the patriarchy for a second
• 1:06:04
  because her life is basically in Revolt of the patriarchy and it
• 1:06:12
  At 16. I think she really does try and
• 1:06:13
  go against like hundreds of years of patriarchy when she
• 1:06:17
  just refuses to get married at all.
• 1:06:19
  Like she tells her Jeep. Ah, I always say Jeep on side of
• 1:06:22
  Grandpa bass, tells her Jeep on that.
• 1:06:25
  She's just not going to get married at all.
• 1:06:27
  Nobody, and he's consistently wanted her to take a husband.
• 1:06:32
  So she's protected and that he can be her Shields and all this
• 1:06:36
  stuff. And I love that.
• 1:06:38
  She says that she's trained for 10 years so she doesn't Need a
• 1:06:42
  shield at all. All she wants is to give her
• 1:06:46
  heart to the man. She loves no marriage and I was
• 1:06:49
  like that is groundbreaking even today like, yeah, it is such a
• 1:06:54
  noble intention. She kind of like, does this
• 1:06:56
  whole speech with her Grandpa because she needs no shallow or
• 1:07:02
  stereotypical security from a man, she just wants the luxury
• 1:07:05
  of love affection and it's really beautiful.
• 1:07:09
  She does not as a character follow through.
• 1:07:12
  You on that because she chooses the righteous cause does not
• 1:07:16
  give in to look this romantic ideal of just loving a man for
• 1:07:19
  loving a man and ultimately Eugene's character Bales her out
• 1:07:24
  at the end of the movie at movie.
• 1:07:26
  Look at me at the end of the movie, at the end of the show,
• 1:07:30
  he is like helping her to no end and he sells her at one point.
• 1:07:36
  Like, you cannot. You have not repaid me at all
• 1:07:39
  for, literally everything that I've done for you.
• 1:07:42
  The least that you can do is stay with me.
• 1:07:44
  Like, stay by my side, of course.
• 1:07:46
  Like, that's the tried-and-true kdrama line.
• 1:07:48
  Like, just stay by my side and she doesn't, she's like, no, in
• 1:07:54
  fact, she tries to break up with him.
• 1:07:55
  Sorry. Yeah, I wish that it was a
• 1:08:02
  little more on the Romantic side than on the like righteous cause
• 1:08:05
  side because it really falters her like assault on patriarchy,
• 1:08:10
  because she ends up meeting, Every guy in her life.
• 1:08:15
  In the k-drama fanfic version of this show.
• 1:08:19
  For me, I want to feel like it was Hina Kudo meeting in a coup.
• 1:08:23
  Do some what made her at least a say these things about like,
• 1:08:27
  wanting to, like not. Every marry anyone and tend to
• 1:08:30
  like, you know, F the patriarchy and all this kind of stuff
• 1:08:32
  because Hina was married. Played every dude like a fiddle,
• 1:08:36
  he don't like she's so manipulate used her.
• 1:08:39
  Yeah. She's her feminine wiles for
• 1:08:41
  like as a West. Truly a weapon and like she
• 1:08:44
  Maintain this like hehe. I'm like a beautiful.
• 1:08:46
  Like I'm like a, the owner of this hotel and she held his like
• 1:08:49
  autonomy and I again in this like fanfic version of this, in
• 1:08:53
  my mind I want to say she was inspired by her or something
• 1:08:55
  about meeting her change something for her but yeah I
• 1:08:58
  didn't really follow through come like she's married to Korea
• 1:09:02
  she's and she's married to the cost.
• 1:09:04
  My God. Exactly she ends up basically
• 1:09:07
  marrying the cause and marrying her nationalism and the country.
• 1:09:13
  And at the The end. The final shot is literally of
• 1:09:15
  her with the Korean flag and that's the love of her life
• 1:09:20
  essentially. Okay.
• 1:09:22
  So I know that I need to like interrupted say is, can we just
• 1:09:24
  give props to the child actors in this freaking show because I
• 1:09:27
  do goodly shit, kid was amazing? Yes.
• 1:09:32
  Yeah. Did you?
• 1:09:33
  Oh my God, have you watched them every when the Camellia blues at
• 1:09:37
  all? Yes.
• 1:09:39
  Oh my God. Yes.
• 1:09:39
  So the kids that little boy, kid, Phil you Jim, my God, and
• 1:09:43
  we covered the show, the pocket. Yeah, when The Chameleons peel,
• 1:09:45
  gu bill goes back guys, young Yugi.
• 1:09:49
  That's so good. His crying dr.
• 1:09:52
  Cries, oh my God. You just want to baking again,
• 1:09:58
  he does so well. That is actor.
• 1:10:00
  Kim, kang-hyun Moon and amazing as people go and as young
• 1:10:05
  Eugene. Yeah, he's great.
• 1:10:07
  I haven't watched is hitting racket, boys, or something.
• 1:10:09
  I haven't watched on you. Maybe I don't know how to watch.
• 1:10:11
  Rocco Boise. Like an adolescent now.
• 1:10:12
  Yeah. Yeah, I think he's in that.
• 1:10:15
  But anyway, he is great as a child actor.
• 1:10:17
  So I'm sure he'll be will keep seeing him in the future.
• 1:10:19
  Absolutely. Oh my God.
• 1:10:21
  But speaking of cameos, the descendants of the Sun.
• 1:10:24
  S couple are Kim, Teddy's, parents like that.
• 1:10:28
  In that extended flashback sequence in episode 10.
• 1:10:34
  Oh yeah. Bingo.
• 1:10:36
  And what's her face Lord, I forgot her name but they yes yes
• 1:10:43
  yeah forgotten but I love Yesterday.
• 1:10:45
  Oh my God. From my Liberation notes.
• 1:10:47
  She's so good. She's amazing.
• 1:10:49
  Yes, yes. Yes.
• 1:10:50
  I'll get her nails done now. So what did you think of that
• 1:10:52
  Cameo? And honestly, they kind of
• 1:10:55
  mildly reference. Oh, it's Kim.
• 1:10:56
  Do on can do one and gives you all do mildly reference.
• 1:11:02
  How, you know, in a few in a future Korea with peace and like
• 1:11:07
  Independence or whatever, they will find each other again, like
• 1:11:11
  they were talking about your right and I was right.
• 1:11:14
  Yeah, definitely definitely. It was is okay.
• 1:11:22
  Had to but had to pit. Yeah, but yeah man.
• 1:11:26
  But yeah the kid actors were doing such a great job that the
• 1:11:28
  kid who played Little goo goo dong Mei, like had his similar
• 1:11:32
  somehow like a child version Vibe of his and was so good.
• 1:11:36
  The little like, what do me? Who helped at the American
• 1:11:40
  legation? Was a door.
• 1:11:41
  Oh my God. I know.
• 1:11:43
  Oh my God, but that End of the show.
• 1:11:44
  They show have grown up. Kim Min.
• 1:11:50
  Jae play literally salutes like Eugene's grave.
• 1:11:53
  I'm like a raven, I'm like, oh my God, this shot everything.
• 1:11:58
  Oh my God, another SNL sketch, it had everything.
• 1:12:05
  Anyway, samurais says, I will die.
• 1:12:11
  If you like actually develop a little Script.
• 1:12:16
  Oh shit. Anyway, that is awesome.
• 1:12:18
  He's from Delhi and cocky Prince I believe.
• 1:12:21
  And yeah, he plays the, a little errand boy, all grown up at the
• 1:12:24
  very end of the day. Yeah, scene of the movie, Kyle
• 1:12:29
  more, the teenage Soldier, there's more like descendants of
• 1:12:32
  the sun people in here because, oh, yeah, yep, that guy.
• 1:12:36
  Yep, is the bad guy kept like, yes, yes.
• 1:12:41
  I remember girls accent, he like was going from like Southern.
• 1:12:44
  Hey Yugi. Like that's like some I don't
• 1:12:48
  know his ex was like all over the place is like what is going
• 1:12:50
  on with your eyes? Like I know you speak English
• 1:12:53
  like what's happening right now? Blue content anymore was in my
• 1:12:55
  in my head. I think they did.
• 1:12:57
  And I found it. So, because isn't he Korean like
• 1:13:00
  a korean-american? Yeah.
• 1:13:01
  Name is. Yeah.
• 1:13:02
  So I was like, David McInnis. David Magee is open.
• 1:13:06
  They were trying to play it off like you just like Caucasian
• 1:13:09
  American. Yeah.
• 1:13:10
  And I was like there. No one said we talked about his
• 1:13:12
  Karina so never never. These characters are creating
• 1:13:17
  characters, not green, buddy, is God?
• 1:13:19
  Here it is. And then I think, I think you're
• 1:13:22
  right about the context in which were really throwing me off.
• 1:13:24
  Like I was very confused. Everybody at first, when you
• 1:13:26
  first, they kept coming on screen, those accent was all
• 1:13:28
  over the place is like we're in America.
• 1:13:31
  He's supposed to be, he's American, but he's obviously is
• 1:13:34
  in the entertainment industry and Korea Wikipedia, since since
• 1:13:37
  1999, he's been working in Korea.
• 1:13:41
  But yeah, he's American Youth and See.
• 1:13:44
  Korean like, I think, for this character thought he was trying
• 1:13:48
  to, he's like sometimes I'm from South Carolina, Yugi, and then
• 1:13:51
  second well. Okay, so this I don't know, sir,
• 1:13:53
  British or something David McInnis is from Wisconsin, Green
• 1:13:57
  Bay, Wisconsin. And I think we talked about this
• 1:13:59
  on the descendants of the sun episode because he, he's from
• 1:14:05
  Wisconsin. And I just think that the accent
• 1:14:10
  was a little shaky because sometimes the Mid-Atlantic
• 1:14:14
  because sometimes he sounded like he like had yeah but it was
• 1:14:18
  weird or a transient because sometimes he was like he had
• 1:14:21
  that lot that's sing-songy thing going on too and I was like,
• 1:14:23
  that's weird. We are on the same page, but
• 1:14:28
  David McKenna is I did you think that he was going to be the bad
• 1:14:31
  guy at the end? I thought I did think he was
• 1:14:35
  going to either do something and inadvertently or like
• 1:14:37
  intentionally to screw the up yeast.
• 1:14:39
  I thought that he was like a spy or something and leaking
• 1:14:41
  information to the Japanese that he was a traitor at some Never
• 1:14:45
  happened, right? Purely good guy.
• 1:14:47
  Never happened. I was surprised.
• 1:14:48
  Yeah. So surprised I, I wanted to talk
• 1:14:52
  real quick about the joonyoung the military academy officer who
• 1:14:56
  was like, ready to go to work today for career, ready to kill
• 1:15:00
  Japan today, like, yeah, because his, he's also a younger actor,
• 1:15:04
  not a child one, maybe. But like his development to was
• 1:15:07
  and his acting the last couple episodes where he's like on the
• 1:15:10
  train with them and yeah, he's like really, you know, He was so
• 1:15:14
  good and I don't know what else he's in, but he is super good.
• 1:15:17
  So Props to that guy, I just want to shout them out because
• 1:15:21
  also looking his Asian Wiki profile.
• 1:15:22
  Like he he is 30 now and went looking for him when he's 30.
• 1:15:27
  And what? What was the last minute?
• 1:15:29
  Beautiful hair, beautiful hair dye, beautiful haired.
• 1:15:33
  Look at my buddy. Asian Wiki is.
• 1:15:34
  It is Dong Dong Yuan John-Boy here.
• 1:15:37
  I see em. I see em.
• 1:15:38
  Okay, and your life. So sorry, I'm purely shallow and
• 1:15:46
  any kind of beauty? I will have to like note-taking.
• 1:15:48
  Okay, well, it's Harry about Beauties about okay, no bun.
• 1:15:52
  No. Now you you hit a nerve here
• 1:15:53
  because you're talking about beautiful people and beautiful
• 1:15:56
  hair and shit and like, you yong-seok as good on me.
• 1:16:00
  Yeah, I only saw, I only saw reply 1994, we played like the
• 1:16:07
  dorkiest baseball player on the planet.
• 1:16:14
  To me, that's not the best reply.
• 1:16:16
  The worst of the Rebecca, worst worst reply, but I watched the
• 1:16:19
  whole thing partially because the him cause I was like what
• 1:16:20
  he's fun. He was putting off waves of just
• 1:16:26
  sexy in the show. Yeah and I could not deal with
• 1:16:30
  it. I was like I love you beyond
• 1:16:32
  Godlike as much as the next person but like yeah who is the
• 1:16:35
  real lead here? It's good on.
• 1:16:37
  Yes. 100 was acting his ass off. His say he had this thing with
• 1:16:42
  the clothes going on. Same Like the girl who played,
• 1:16:45
  you know, Kudo he just was the samurai robes.
• 1:16:48
  Very? I mean, it got like kind of
• 1:16:49
  annoying to be like blood splattered for him all the time,
• 1:16:51
  but he just his like smirking, his like just strutting around
• 1:16:58
  just uh, oh good. Yeah, good.
• 1:17:02
  Oh my God. Questionable facial hair.
• 1:17:04
  All those facial hair. I think those are like the
• 1:17:09
  things I put on him every morning.
• 1:17:10
  I'm pretty sure. I don't think you grew the thing
• 1:17:12
  and I was looking closely. It's like The bottom half under
• 1:17:15
  his chin, all that was real and then just the stash was fake.
• 1:17:21
  I thought I saw him talk about it.
• 1:17:23
  Some point, I do remember, he's at least somewhere, maybe wasn't
• 1:17:25
  a show that he's talking about like having to get them like
• 1:17:27
  individually hair, individual hairs placed on him at before
• 1:17:30
  every shoot it took like a hundred years worms like get
• 1:17:32
  into that like just visual. Oh my god well I because the
• 1:17:36
  hair you know it was like I think away.
• 1:17:37
  Yeah. The hair was definitely a way
• 1:17:39
  they yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:41
  I didn't have him looking wretched out in the streets.
• 1:17:44
  But yo, so look episode 5, I think it is, they're picking up
• 1:17:49
  shit off the floor in some I don't know like a shop or
• 1:17:52
  something and he her pink skirts brushes over his hand.
• 1:18:04
  It was so beautifully shot. Beautiful, and yeah.
• 1:18:08
  Sensual and it had like the vibe of like a hand shot in a period
• 1:18:14
  piece drama. Like Olive mr.
• 1:18:16
  Darcy and Pride, and Prejudice. Like it has that like bye-bye,
• 1:18:19
  was like, this is for the ladies in the house, you know what I'm
• 1:18:21
  saying? Yeah, this is not for the guys,
• 1:18:23
  the guys don't understand. This, it's for the lip of the
• 1:18:26
  women and I mean, and then he grabs her skirt, her reaction to
• 1:18:31
  her like that, because She's like oh my God.
• 1:18:34
  Like you know, oh my God Hand me, it was like my skirt right
• 1:18:38
  now, like 45 feet away from my body, but still gets a scandal
• 1:18:44
  scandalous. And he keeps saying he's not
• 1:18:46
  doing anything even though he's clearly clutching her skirt and
• 1:18:50
  he won't let the skirt go. And I just haven't really caught
• 1:18:53
  his hand or something. No, I don't think it cut his
• 1:18:56
  hair. Like we have like a paper cut on
• 1:18:57
  his hand. I thought.
• 1:18:59
  Oh man. But he was like, I mean, in my
• 1:19:01
  nose, I have. What is going on?
• 1:19:02
  What does this mean? And the closest these three
• 1:19:06
  dudes are after her. Yeah, thereafter.
• 1:19:09
  He would like have these moments with her.
• 1:19:12
  They're just, I couldn't deal with that one moment in episode
• 1:19:15
  5 and the closing shot of that episode was then inside the
• 1:19:19
  building, it's like a freeze frame image of them and it's
• 1:19:23
  almost like they're not moving out, because it's in slow
• 1:19:25
  motion. The rain is falling in, slow,
• 1:19:27
  motion is absolutely beautiful, gorgeous 10 out of 10, him with
• 1:19:31
  every girl, like his stuff with, you know, who Her final
• 1:19:35
  confession. I was slayed like, oh my God, I
• 1:19:37
  was like, this could, this could have this, I would have went
• 1:19:40
  either way, it had. He like ended up somehow having
• 1:19:42
  a real romantic moment with that issue.
• 1:19:44
  Nor with Unicode. Oh, it would've been a win for
• 1:19:46
  everyone involved because it was, he's just was Central and
• 1:19:48
  all that with everyone. Like all the ladies and like,
• 1:19:51
  he's six, like pure in the vein sex, the the woman with mutism
• 1:19:58
  that he had as like his sidekick almost.
• 1:20:00
  Oh my God, which is the color beneath the shadow shaman.
• 1:20:03
  Girl who like yes doing tarot cards.
• 1:20:07
  Oh, what he would walk in on Hina Kudos baths.
• 1:20:09
  Right now, my his brain is like flashing images of the show.
• 1:20:12
  Like every minute I was having a cow over suck.
• 1:20:17
  Oh man. Yeah.
• 1:20:18
  So yo and episode 10 or 11, I can remember which one it is.
• 1:20:24
  He now Kuno. Kudo is riding the trolley at
• 1:20:27
  night and it's snowing. So she holds she holds out her
• 1:20:29
  hand to catch the falling snow and he grabs her.
• 1:20:33
  Hand and whisks her off the trolley and like pure kdrama
• 1:20:37
  form. And just the visuals were
• 1:20:39
  stunning, there left standing like super close to one another
• 1:20:44
  and then she pushed, she pulls a gun on him and she says be
• 1:20:47
  careful when you take a lady's hand, we don't always carry
• 1:20:49
  rainbows and sunshine and I was like that's my girl.
• 1:21:04
  Well, yeah, your Vibes. If you thought the mean romance
• 1:21:07
  was Vibes, the second Dairy thing that don't matter and
• 1:21:11
  because they were more of a kindred spirit.
• 1:21:13
  I feel like I say gone through the same kinds of shit like, hey
• 1:21:16
  know, like uh, yeah, yes. Also.
• 1:21:19
  When even the moment where he cuts issues Harry, who that was
• 1:21:23
  brutal, it was awful. It wouldn't have been so brutal
• 1:21:25
  if all that wasn't happening that whole time like it wouldn't
• 1:21:28
  have the same impact. I feel that active especially
• 1:21:32
  for us as modern viewers like you.
• 1:21:33
  Like yeah, I don't want anyone cut my hair like that little the
• 1:21:35
  street but like, because they knew each other it was I think a
• 1:21:37
  little bit softened and because you know him he's sort of like
• 1:21:40
  that it was kind of like but then like I think like the
• 1:21:42
  build-up of like just all the tenseness around them all the
• 1:21:45
  time, the tension around them all the time.
• 1:21:47
  And then he like whips out his sword and cuts her hair was
• 1:21:50
  extra shocking because of that. So I think he just did it.
• 1:21:54
  Everyone acting their pants off in the show and that was great.
• 1:21:58
  Such horrible, you know what I mean?
• 1:21:59
  Like, in the moment you did that.
• 1:22:01
  Yeah, the impact. I'm gonna skip to the end.
• 1:22:03
  And with dong Mei and Hina. Because, what does that episode
• 1:22:09
  23? Oh my God, so she dies, right?
• 1:22:13
  It is brutal. He takes her.
• 1:22:16
  This is where we coming back to like the transportation issue.
• 1:22:19
  Like they were essentially in Seoul, they end up at the beach,
• 1:22:23
  he took it to the beach close to where I think you back because
• 1:22:26
  you can't walk piggybacks. You cannot walk.
• 1:22:28
  She's dead weight. Close to where her mother is
• 1:22:30
  buried. She confesses that Eugene is not
• 1:22:34
  the one in her heart anymore and hasn't been for a long time.
• 1:22:38
  She says, she's been waiting for a man who loves another woman
• 1:22:40
  and that that love made him go mad and I was like, bitch salus,
• 1:22:46
  she says the area, this is like, the beach would be beautiful and
• 1:22:50
  snow told him to come visit her when it snows and that, of
• 1:22:54
  course, they flashed back to that moment that I just talked
• 1:22:56
  about with. And he grabs her off of the
• 1:22:58
  trolley in the snow, and they're just like Rosen and dime.
• 1:23:02
  And Ah, then she tells him, like, you know, don't come right
• 1:23:06
  away live a little longer. It's awful.
• 1:23:08
  They had such a wonderful unfulfilled love and ultimately,
• 1:23:13
  she died a patriot something that she was kind of wrestling
• 1:23:17
  with the whole show. You know, what, her identity,
• 1:23:21
  what did you think of one that bathtub scene where she gets out
• 1:23:24
  of the bath and she's covered in scars?
• 1:23:26
  I mean, her backstory of like getting married off by your dick
• 1:23:28
  head, down to some, like, douchebag, probably who's like,
• 1:23:31
  your link a sec. I think he was old.
• 1:23:33
  He dies. Yeah.
• 1:23:34
  Super super old dies. You get everything by just
• 1:23:37
  de-facto your his widow and then but obviously she was so like
• 1:23:41
  we're like she was so upset and hurt that her dad to the sir.
• 1:23:44
  She's always been seeing her mother.
• 1:23:45
  And I really want to know more about why she has her mother so
• 1:23:47
  much like, other than obvious reasons, you know, like what
• 1:23:49
  happened to her mother or like whatever her mother might have
• 1:23:51
  endured as the wife of her crazy father and he'll on like this,
• 1:23:57
  Yeah, you want to go and then the scars all over her.
• 1:24:00
  Like her ability to be like I speak Japanese, I speak French,
• 1:24:03
  I speak English? I speak Korean, you know, like
• 1:24:06
  all of that, like, all that survival.
• 1:24:07
  So, like what was she doing in Japan?
• 1:24:08
  Like, I mean I shouldn't but she doing it with the fencing in
• 1:24:11
  France and it was just that guy and like sussing out.
• 1:24:13
  Who's a spy, and just having this like, one eye on everything
• 1:24:16
  at her hotel. Like knowing all the Shady
• 1:24:18
  business, but actually she didn't acting so innocent like
• 1:24:21
  she had so much going on and then even that's why I feel like
• 1:24:24
  she's really more Kindred Spirits with it.
• 1:24:27
  Don't lay because he also went through, God knows what in
• 1:24:30
  Japan, and then, you know, like we know his childhood and then
• 1:24:33
  we skip all of his whole life in Japan.
• 1:24:35
  And now he's in Korea, started around.
• 1:24:37
  But we missed so many. There's so many gas for both of
• 1:24:39
  them, but they've both been feel like hindered and they know,
• 1:24:41
  like, I absolutely feel the same way that they're soul mates.
• 1:24:46
  Yeah, he's so distracted by a scene.
• 1:24:48
  It's like so dumb. Oh my goodness.
• 1:24:50
  She herself was also. So that's a thing.
• 1:24:53
  The end when gone mad eyes, I'm fully expecting him to have
• 1:24:56
  visions of Pina, as he is surpassing on.
• 1:25:01
  I got the same thing. He doesn't, he has visions of a
• 1:25:04
  fishing again, and I'm like, oh my God.
• 1:25:07
  So the ends, he never let go like, why not though, because I
• 1:25:12
  get like, you see she saved her life and that was like, it was
• 1:25:15
  pivotal moment in your life. Life-size childhood and like
• 1:25:17
  this. This I maybe it's like hope for
• 1:25:19
  him. This nobility didn't treat him
• 1:25:21
  like absolute shit. So like looks like, oh my God,
• 1:25:23
  right? But it was.
• 1:25:24
  Yeah, I totally feel like baffling by.
• 1:25:26
  The end is baffling by the end, and he did just imprint on a
• 1:25:30
  mission. Essentially, there was no, like,
• 1:25:32
  nobody else brutal even though he's very affected when he dies.
• 1:25:38
  It's not what I thought when he knows same.
• 1:25:42
  Yeah, also, what about the Betrayal from the lady the show?
• 1:25:46
  The lady with the mutism mutism like her betrayal of him by
• 1:25:50
  selling him out, they lead lady has Japan.
• 1:25:53
  Did you know, if you remember that so lady, she goes Japan of
• 1:25:55
  Care at her Mission and then she sends a telegram because she
• 1:25:58
  just doesn't want Google made to die.
• 1:26:00
  Saving her. What she obviously is like,
• 1:26:02
  prepared to do. And he is so pissed at her.
• 1:26:05
  And yeah, then the whole like his little faction of the black
• 1:26:08
  dragon Society falls apart. The motion is to call it in a
• 1:26:11
  show. Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  Is that the translation from motion black Joe?
• 1:26:16
  Oh, so there was a real society called black dragon society that
• 1:26:19
  kind of roamed around Korea as part of like a filly to with
• 1:26:21
  Japan and they were sort of like, maybe like Yakuza.
• 1:26:24
  I don't know if that kind of assumed that they were Yakuza
• 1:26:26
  and I think at one point I read a translation, of course it was
• 1:26:29
  on Netflix but it was a real of the but I don't know.
• 1:26:34
  Yeah. I think that you would consider
• 1:26:35
  like to compared to Modern Day within gakuto's similar like
• 1:26:38
  stuff going on similar like interactions or attract.
• 1:26:40
  Yeah. But they were as a real thing
• 1:26:42
  called black dragon society that existed and they actually I
• 1:26:46
  think possibly released when it aired in Korea, they call them
• 1:26:48
  the black dragon society and then they change the name to
• 1:26:50
  music in society because it was to actually, the writers got
• 1:26:54
  accused of being too pro-japanese, and thing like a
• 1:26:56
  specifically, Google has made his character of being like
• 1:27:00
  somebody who was justified in hating Korea to death you know
• 1:27:03
  like so. That's okay.
• 1:27:05
  So that's the thing about the complaint of it being
• 1:27:09
  pro-japanese is because the movie, the movie, why do I keep
• 1:27:12
  saying the movie? It's just cinematic.
• 1:27:14
  It's just so cinematic. I think it's a movie.
• 1:27:15
  Yeah. Yes, so no, the show does a
• 1:27:18
  great job of painting Korea in a negative light and a positive
• 1:27:21
  light. And you have the running theme
• 1:27:24
  of permeate. I was teacher Snowdrop episode
• 1:27:27
  and there's a blue. There was a blue house petition
• 1:27:28
  for this show as well because I know you mentioned that for your
• 1:27:31
  Snowdrop. So there was a blue house
• 1:27:32
  petition saying, okay, so I have a quote here.
• 1:27:34
  It says, on July 16th. This is from South China Morning
• 1:27:37
  Post. I had this quote and July 16th.
• 1:27:38
  The petition appeared on the tongues web Ade, which is Blue
• 1:27:41
  House website calling on the government to prevent factual
• 1:27:43
  errors and period dramas the petition stated quote Historical
• 1:27:46
  facts are definite perpetrators and victims chosen was not
• 1:27:49
  depicted as a victim of colonization, but instead one
• 1:27:52
  that invited it guangmei. His character is a villain but
• 1:27:55
  by showing reasons he had to join the project has
• 1:27:57
  organization. His actions have been Justified
• 1:27:59
  and quote. So so this is like as a show is
• 1:28:01
  airing and then they had to like kind of rewrite.
• 1:28:02
  They rewrote his whole character to be a little, like a moron,
• 1:28:05
  the Korean side or like helping Korea because this was the way
• 1:28:07
  it was starting to go people getting pissed in Korea.
• 1:28:10
  So they sent this petition the writers rewrote it they change
• 1:28:13
  black dragon society and motion study, which is a fictional I
• 1:28:17
  think I got you. Wow, that is so interesting
• 1:28:19
  because that's my favorite thing of the show is like I guess the
• 1:28:24
  characters have every reason to hate Korea.
• 1:28:30
  You know, Korea's painted in a bad light because of their
• 1:28:33
  history, some some Korean netizens were upset because
• 1:28:37
  they're like, why are you showing that Korea had no
• 1:28:39
  electricity tell like someone else brought it in?
• 1:28:41
  I mean, because that's what happened.
• 1:28:42
  Like sorry. Like you know some people right?
• 1:28:45
  We're getting upset over kind of silly things sillier things, you
• 1:28:47
  know, I'm Brigitte because there are they may be themselves are
• 1:28:50
  super patriotic and I understand like you don't want to create a
• 1:28:53
  come across, some kind like Backwoods that were true.
• 1:28:55
  Yeah. But sure but I mean,
• 1:28:57
  historically speaking of that I think this is one thing.
• 1:29:00
  Israel fiction. That's interesting.
• 1:29:01
  And again going back to Snowdrop thing for a minute.
• 1:29:03
  Just listening to a little bit. There is like this push and pull
• 1:29:06
  like historical fiction and being like a fiction being art
• 1:29:08
  and being less than that. But then if you don't know the
• 1:29:10
  history or you don't have a context for this, yay, there's
• 1:29:14
  so much that could go wrong and so definitely touches lots of
• 1:29:17
  nerves. And I mean, the thing about
• 1:29:19
  literacy is silly or like, you know, but the I get kind of are
• 1:29:22
  there, like, you're there. Like you're basically saying
• 1:29:24
  Japan and this guy like selling himself to Japan like his his
• 1:29:30
  it's Japan made sense and they were upset with it and then they
• 1:29:33
  like, okay, we're going to backtrack and change and change.
• 1:29:35
  Not like the his story arc. I don't know.
• 1:29:37
  It's hard. And it's about that one.
• 1:29:39
  I really am. Yeah.
• 1:29:41
  I mean, I don't even have a side really cuz I'm like, but I will
• 1:29:45
  full disclosure, I study history and called history degree.
• 1:29:48
  So it's and one thing about it, it's like it's sort of like that
• 1:29:52
  line from Hamlet said like who lives, who dies, who tells me,
• 1:29:54
  exactly, who gets to say, what is history?
• 1:29:57
  Yeah, who is the one teaching? And how are you portraying?
• 1:30:00
  What whose perspective are we looking at it from, because some
• 1:30:02
  of those people who, which mr. Sunshine shows, who were like,
• 1:30:04
  kind of pro-japanese, or like, you know, played with Japanese
• 1:30:07
  so that they could get some Kickback, like, you will need.
• 1:30:10
  For example, that's a prime example of a terrible, terrible
• 1:30:12
  character. I'm unique is a prime example.
• 1:30:15
  Yeah, but they have their reasons, exactly, and for them
• 1:30:18
  that to them, it's like, well, it's good that Japan should
• 1:30:20
  like, some people definitely did even leader, like maybe they
• 1:30:22
  show some pitching coach. I haven't watch if I read the
• 1:30:24
  book like many times, but there's some people who were
• 1:30:26
  fine that fine. But they were like, yeah, okay.
• 1:30:28
  I'll play along with the I need something.
• 1:30:30
  I don't care that they're here. I think they're me here country
• 1:30:32
  better and there's always a gene is constantly maintaining this
• 1:30:35
  narrative. I have is I don't care who takes
• 1:30:39
  ownership of career. I really don't.
• 1:30:41
  I just want all of you guys to stay safe.
• 1:30:45
  Well, that's weird because he's like I'm not helping Korea
• 1:30:47
  because of Korea I'm helping because of this lady I was like,
• 1:30:49
  this is weird. Like, but okay, that's another
• 1:30:52
  thing too. You know what, let's segue into
• 1:30:54
  their relationship because I feel like it's the main thing
• 1:30:58
  that people recall of Show is just them two and he is again,
• 1:31:03
  maintaining that he is American American American American
• 1:31:07
  pro-america don't tread on me all that shit, and he is
• 1:31:12
  actively going back to Korea and jeopardizing, his entire
• 1:31:16
  military career for the woman. He loves because she is a
• 1:31:20
  revolutionary. She's trying to put Korea back
• 1:31:24
  on on top again, and trying to fortify Korea against all of
• 1:31:28
  these foreign incursion. Asians.
• 1:31:31
  And even though America is taking like a back seat during
• 1:31:33
  this time, period is very small time period like there's
• 1:31:38
  tensions from all sides. And, you know, one point there
• 1:31:42
  were talking about like, why isn't America helping us because
• 1:31:45
  we're allies, we sounded. We signed a treaty with America
• 1:31:48
  and they're not doing anything to help us is because of all of
• 1:31:50
  these back Backwoods money deals, it happened that there's
• 1:31:56
  a loan out to Japan from America, America stands to make
• 1:31:59
  a Money off of any war that happens in Japan, so it behooves
• 1:32:04
  them not to do anything. So it was very political in that
• 1:32:07
  sense and he just bypasses all of that, like he is above.
• 1:32:11
  All of that is essentially he's not married to America unlike
• 1:32:14
  her L hardcore. Yes, he loves America, he calls
• 1:32:18
  it, his homeland fine, but he is not burying himself next to the
• 1:32:22
  American flag. And, you know, being that into
• 1:32:28
  patriotism like she she is like he's not that even because he
• 1:32:33
  did it for survival, you know he was like this is a ladder.
• 1:32:37
  I could climb the ladder of the military.
• 1:32:39
  I can work my way up the ranks so I become whatever he whatever
• 1:32:42
  like Boheme. I honestly feel like they didn't
• 1:32:44
  do such a good job of explaining why he was in the military like
• 1:32:49
  what it gave him. Right?
• 1:32:51
  I guess you could see like the end product obviously of all of
• 1:32:53
  his power and influence, while he's in Korea at the legation
• 1:32:57
  but initially, he was being Bullied harassed in the streets,
• 1:33:02
  just because he was Asian. And I mean there's that line of
• 1:33:06
  the it's a stroller. He's like an american gun.
• 1:33:08
  Doesn't care if you're a noble or yeah.
• 1:33:10
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:33:11
  Like, you know, but your SATs and then he's got my vote.
• 1:33:15
  What is that quick? Like carry a big stick.
• 1:33:18
  Oh my God, the he called Snap president.
• 1:33:22
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:33:23
  At one point area, big stick to speak softly and carry out this.
• 1:33:26
  That's it. That's some president that said
• 1:33:28
  that I can't remember which one I think Teddy, Roosevelt did
• 1:33:31
  this Teddy Roosevelt? Teddy Roosevelt Teddy.
• 1:33:33
  I just want like a cop-out times early on that was corny as hell.
• 1:33:38
  Like, what the hell are you talking about?
• 1:33:39
  Why are you? So, I'm very intrigued by his
• 1:33:42
  distinction of like, I'm not doing this for Korea.
• 1:33:45
  Don't give a fuck, who owns Korea, but he hates the Japanese
• 1:33:48
  when whatever they're doing in the streets, like he's wildly
• 1:33:52
  upset fluent, guys, he flew it. I have so many questions.
• 1:33:55
  Like, did he was he stationed in Japan?
• 1:33:57
  I know. Like, of course, America is also
• 1:33:58
  involved in Japanese stuff. A long time.
• 1:34:00
  I don't know what's going on. I was just like, I didn't get
• 1:34:02
  him and some some points, you know.
• 1:34:04
  Uh-huh. Yeah, I just didn't get him and
• 1:34:07
  then the fact that he was at the very end of like you said
• 1:34:09
  helping so much, but because of her, I was like, that's your
• 1:34:11
  excuse because you just want to help her.
• 1:34:12
  I mean, it was like, he wasn't even if he had said like because
• 1:34:15
  I love the like Potter guy and he was sort of alluding to that.
• 1:34:19
  But like he did it like, say so explicitly.
• 1:34:21
  He was just like fell about her. Looks like know you love
• 1:34:23
  everybody here. Like you look.
• 1:34:25
  All these Korean people. So, yeah.
• 1:34:28
  Today, I don't know. It's hard to sit, I guess is
• 1:34:32
  distinctive. I'm trying to make is he can
• 1:34:34
  back her and her ideologies, without believing in her
• 1:34:38
  ideologies. And I feel like that would throw
• 1:34:40
  me, but can he? I don't think so.
• 1:34:43
  I wasn't buying it, right? I felt like, I was like, no, you
• 1:34:46
  love Korea just a myth, right? Like, he's at and then we'll
• 1:34:48
  come back to it. You would pick Korea the flag
• 1:34:50
  that the keys hold on about flag, explain that.
• 1:34:54
  What was that kid? That he had a draped on his bed
• 1:34:57
  or something like that was like, so weird.
• 1:34:59
  That was weird. It was getting really weird.
• 1:35:02
  Yeah it was just I was getting so we're like what are we doing
• 1:35:05
  right now? Yes.
• 1:35:10
  Oh my God. Okay, okay, let's reset her
• 1:35:13
  here. So Lord, where do I go?
• 1:35:17
  We were talking about their romance that the meat cute.
• 1:35:19
  Let's talk about the meat cute episodes, do they meet?
• 1:35:23
  I don't know if I've ever seen a meet-cute, where they're both
• 1:35:26
  trying to snipe the same guy before it was creative as
• 1:35:31
  clever. I like, I like that as a Meek.
• 1:35:32
  Yeah, yeah. A lot of iconography them on the
• 1:35:35
  roof than, like, Freeze Frame. Because there are like when
• 1:35:38
  they, when they And their hands up to each other like this.
• 1:35:41
  They're like, are you? That was iconic.
• 1:35:44
  It is Iconic. And I felt the one time I
• 1:35:47
  believed in them. Yeah.
• 1:35:48
  The one time. Like, one of the few times.
• 1:35:49
  Yeah. But he tricks her into like
• 1:35:52
  falling in love with them because an episode 3.
• 1:35:54
  She's like what is love? She's learning English.
• 1:35:57
  I heard his better than gaining it title and he says, well, you
• 1:36:00
  can't do it by yourself. You need someone to do with it.
• 1:36:02
  She's like, would you do so? We're would you do it with me?
• 1:36:05
  And it's just, it is a really nice moment between a nice
• 1:36:08
  electricity between But obviously, yeah, he is
• 1:36:11
  manipulating her into yeah, because he knows what it means
• 1:36:15
  the show sort of tricky. Yes.
• 1:36:17
  So I'm like torn. It's yeah.
• 1:36:20
  I want. It wasn't as good as it could
• 1:36:22
  have been. If it was a little less beer, it
• 1:36:23
  was weird. And then you're just like,
• 1:36:25
  whatever he's 10 years older than her.
• 1:36:27
  It was because of the show. So there's this whole like
• 1:36:31
  older, man, younger woman, and then he's kind of a kiss.
• 1:36:35
  I don't remember. No.
• 1:36:37
  But actually, they do not. Okay, and I was, that was
• 1:36:39
  Weirding me out too. Because I was like, you're 100
• 1:36:41
  years older than her. And so, you know, some glad you
• 1:36:44
  didn't kind of, but like, yeah, strange, it was yesterday to
• 1:36:47
  have all these private moms together and she like, kick out
• 1:36:49
  her servants. We leave us alone, like we're
• 1:36:51
  going to talk and like talk or look, what at all.
• 1:36:53
  I'm saying, all I'm saying is they spent days writing to the
• 1:36:58
  beach, today's weather, both have been chilling.
• 1:37:02
  Presumably days, writing back, and you're telling me, there was
• 1:37:04
  no kiss, no sex, nothing, nothing.
• 1:37:07
  And I mean, if you think about a good thing, mate, Not further
• 1:37:10
  than he did by putting his hand, under her skirt, like chicken,
• 1:37:13
  the plank went with her, right? All they did was hug and maybe
• 1:37:17
  they were. It's because of the Korean that
• 1:37:20
  they are guests. Yeah.
• 1:37:21
  The 20-year age Gap in real life was like kind of causing them to
• 1:37:25
  be a little more prudish weird though.
• 1:37:27
  I feel like by the end he's about to die for you.
• 1:37:29
  Girl. Like do something like something
• 1:37:30
  has. That's what I'm saying is I'm
• 1:37:32
  like homeboy is literally taken the shot for you, dying for you
• 1:37:37
  and your time can't even kiss him.
• 1:37:39
  All the cheek like there was no take care of that point to be a
• 1:37:43
  lot harder to let him do that but like you should have.
• 1:37:46
  No no but you see what I'm saying?
• 1:37:47
  Like they're there was life and death situations prior to that
• 1:37:50
  that they had a moment to breathe afterward and there was
• 1:37:53
  still like nothing. No nothing.
• 1:37:55
  Yeah, it's nothing but she said I was the one part where did it
• 1:37:58
  pay off? It didn't know pay off there.
• 1:38:00
  Absolutely not but episode 9. She's talking about she'd rather
• 1:38:03
  be a flame than a flower burn fiercely and then Wilt and he's
• 1:38:08
  like oh she's so cruel. I love this cruel woman.
• 1:38:11
  He's, it's a thing that like keep popping up, is that she
• 1:38:14
  just wants to like burn brightly, and then everyone
• 1:38:17
  says, she's cool. Yeah, she is, she is, she's
• 1:38:20
  terrible. She said, I don't know if I
• 1:38:22
  would, like, Asian, if I like came across her.
• 1:38:23
  I'd be like, I don't know if we'd be friends, bitch.
• 1:38:25
  Like, you're just like too much. It's very a touch, even when she
• 1:38:30
  starts to get a clue. It's like, okay.
• 1:38:32
  Yeah. She's always like insulated.
• 1:38:34
  She's just so insulated the whole time, even then, she's
• 1:38:37
  protected. Yes.
• 1:38:38
  Even if you don't want her, it's dies.
• 1:38:40
  Talk about their like Shields her Shield.
• 1:38:42
  Okay. I just hate.
• 1:38:43
  So, you know, of course, it's all very touchy because
• 1:38:45
  enslavement is like a whole thing and like, yes.
• 1:38:48
  They're now just her regular surveys and it's still like the
• 1:38:52
  amount of loyalty in the amount of, like, like just doting on
• 1:38:55
  her, like it made sense because you've known her since she was a
• 1:38:57
  little baby, but it was really hard to watch this level of
• 1:39:02
  like, you know, the things they would do for her.
• 1:39:04
  The luck thinks it would go for her.
• 1:39:06
  They could have been, they put themselves in danger so many
• 1:39:08
  times or at Being fired, maybe more because at the end of the
• 1:39:12
  day, there still was a class system, she's still nobility and
• 1:39:14
  for servants, to be like, you know, lying on her behalf and
• 1:39:17
  stuff they could have been like, who knows what at that point,
• 1:39:19
  you know? Like, I don't know.
• 1:39:20
  And then she didn't, she did take them, I think for granted
• 1:39:24
  and then and then she loses them in episode 23.
• 1:39:27
  Real real late in the show, right, 23?
• 1:39:31
  There's 24 episodes. They what is it?
• 1:39:34
  They like provided a decoy in town and they went along with a
• 1:39:38
  bunch of older people. People.
• 1:39:40
  They're joking zai together because they're older, their
• 1:39:43
  lives are lived, they don't have a lot of stuff to do to
• 1:39:47
  contribute to the righteous Army and so they're just like will be
• 1:39:49
  a decoy so everyone can make it out and they along the way they
• 1:39:53
  like joking with each other they're messing around.
• 1:39:55
  They have the palanquins because of course she's supposed to be
• 1:39:57
  in there and just as the male and female I think it's Miss
• 1:40:02
  Hammond was her name? Yes.
• 1:40:04
  The and then the male servant I forget his name but they are
• 1:40:07
  about to hold hands. She's literally he just
• 1:40:10
  confessed that she likes him or loves him or whatever, they're
• 1:40:14
  about to hold hands and they all get gunned down That was brutal.
• 1:40:19
  And so, is this Airy so brutal, the most brutal you could be
• 1:40:23
  like this, was it like really upsetting?
• 1:40:28
  As for me, I was crying. And then she shows up is shocked
• 1:40:33
  to see them, there she had no idea the plan.
• 1:40:35
  So, today, keep that last week, we played a secret for headache.
• 1:40:38
  Must have kept it a secret for her and second she never
• 1:40:41
  considered that they would die. Yeah, that she was so out of she
• 1:40:46
  was going back to her earlier thing.
• 1:40:49
  I was like what do you mean and even your jeans like you need to
• 1:40:52
  shore up homie. Because the how do you, how do
• 1:40:56
  you think? I think even after he Called her
• 1:41:00
  out. It was like, you realize like
• 1:41:01
  they can't just eat wherever sit wherever do whatever?
• 1:41:04
  Yeah they're beholden to you. She still was like chop chop my
• 1:41:08
  palanquin like Chop Chop. Like come here.
• 1:41:10
  I need you to summon like I was just like what is going on and
• 1:41:14
  it was so like it both showed. I don't know, your spits like
• 1:41:18
  this again, romanticization of in slate of slavery where like
• 1:41:21
  it reminded me a little bit of this is very American but my
• 1:41:28
  God, I will never Go hungry again.
• 1:41:30
  What does that one? Oh my God.
• 1:41:32
  Is it Gone With the Wind? Yes.
• 1:41:33
  Thank you Gone With the Wind. Yeah, this show reminded me
• 1:41:36
  heavily of Gone With the Wind because it is at this juncture
• 1:41:40
  in the Korean history, right? Where you have east meets west.
• 1:41:44
  A lot of flux happening in and you have almost like Herrera
• 1:41:50
  where she grew up and stuff in the young been era where it is
• 1:41:54
  like the South like what is it? Antebellum South.
• 1:41:58
  Yeah, feels Like that and then you have all this shit happen to
• 1:42:01
  her family implodes. It's terrible.
• 1:42:04
  Really awful stuff. People getting gunned down the
• 1:42:08
  grandfather's funeral getting upset.
• 1:42:10
  You on eek, wreaking havoc, and all this.
• 1:42:12
  It's like her family just dies out and it feels like the
• 1:42:18
  family, what happens to Scarlett's family direction of
• 1:42:21
  Atlanta? Yeah.
• 1:42:22
  The destruction of Atlanta and Gone With the Wind and it took
• 1:42:25
  like, I know a lot of people have mixed feelings about Gone
• 1:42:28
  With the Wind, but Yeah, if you kind of apply the same, like,
• 1:42:31
  epic that Gone With the Wind. Is, this is like that for Korea.
• 1:42:36
  Very much like that. Yeah, I miss like that.
• 1:42:38
  Yeah. At least she never slapped her
• 1:42:40
  servants, which is not more than we can say, for Miss Scarlet.
• 1:42:43
  O'Hara. So at least she didn't, nobody
• 1:42:47
  was called. Ashley, that always bugged me
• 1:42:49
  the wrong. Ashley, Ashley, Ashley.
• 1:42:55
  Yeah, I was like, shut up. I hate the name.
• 1:42:58
  Ashley Period. And then she was like he was
• 1:43:01
  named Ashley and the way she said it was just so annoying.
• 1:43:05
  Okay, man, so we've covered a lot of ground here.
• 1:43:08
  Is there more that you want to talk?
• 1:43:11
  I think, oh my God, the grandpa. When I think, what I want to
• 1:43:15
  touch on with her grandfather is that he has such a gut reaction
• 1:43:20
  to Eugene saying that he's lowborn Grandpa Grandpa starts
• 1:43:27
  saying, like, how could you humiliate me like this?
• 1:43:30
  And that's unrealistic. I was like, well, it did seem
• 1:43:35
  realistic because he's just hella old on his way out and
• 1:43:38
  still has his pride hurt vanity. And Jeopardy reputation to
• 1:43:43
  uphold is actually humiliated by his precious granddaughter, the
• 1:43:47
  rebellious headstrong one who is intelligent a sniper by his own
• 1:43:53
  doing because he's the one who Initiated her training.
• 1:43:56
  That's right and all of a sudden she's in love with the lowborn.
• 1:43:59
  Oh my god, get the fuck out. Like it was so that was but
• 1:44:03
  she's his favorite granddaughter, excessive?
• 1:44:05
  Yes, he's the one. He like put all his like, you
• 1:44:08
  know, eggs in that basket yet her true cousin was an idiot,
• 1:44:11
  you know, or whatever, like not helpful and this, she's the one
• 1:44:14
  who was like his hopes and dreams and he really loved, you
• 1:44:18
  know, the her father who passed away and like, you know, never
• 1:44:21
  got to meet her mother and said he had all this like stuff
• 1:44:23
  riding on issuing and so I think that's what What is listed at
• 1:44:26
  this visceral reaction to Eugene's confession, which like,
• 1:44:29
  we were saying, was pretty realistic.
• 1:44:31
  But yeah, it was also out of pocket to be like, excuse you.
• 1:44:33
  But Eric, he was like, the lowborn and why are you doing
• 1:44:37
  this to me? And I was like, what do you have
• 1:44:40
  to do with it? It was very patriarchy pet, so
• 1:44:44
  much patriarchy in that moment, just coming to a head because
• 1:44:46
  you think he's an ally and then all of a sudden he like, does
• 1:44:49
  this 180 and it's like, oh my God, he's a classicist sexist.
• 1:44:53
  Like all these things like coming into play.
• 1:44:56
  Well, I think how could he not be like that still?
• 1:44:58
  He's still he lived. However, aged he lives he's like
• 1:45:02
  100 years old or something like he just say.
• 1:45:04
  Yeah so this is all new yes, this whole revolutionary thing
• 1:45:07
  having to support the righteous cause you never wanted to, he
• 1:45:09
  thought his kids were like silly for trying to fight but he
• 1:45:12
  funded the righteous Army for like years and years and years.
• 1:45:15
  So he was in on the plot but he just I guess wasn't in on the
• 1:45:21
  social Revolution that was happening.
• 1:45:23
  Yes he wasn't. That was a different Storia.
• 1:45:26
  Mmm. He was just wanted the Japan
• 1:45:28
  people to be out of there. Yeah I like that moment though
• 1:45:32
  after he leaves Eugene leaves. She's like I think you should go
• 1:45:36
  and he leaves and she runs after him and jumps the Garden Wall
• 1:45:41
  and she catches up to. Yeah she's like extremely
• 1:45:43
  emotional and she's like, please try to understand my grandfather
• 1:45:47
  and he plays it off. He does her kindness.
• 1:45:49
  He says I'm actually grateful. I got to see you again because
• 1:45:52
  of him. He's like you take after him.
• 1:45:54
  I wonder who taught you to This wonderful and he's really taking
• 1:45:58
  well, and he because she was running, she loses a shoe, very
• 1:46:03
  Cinderelly, he goes and puts it back on her and her they cut to
• 1:46:07
  her committee, right? And she's crying lip quivering
• 1:46:12
  quiet crying. Like she's like, like it's just
• 1:46:14
  moving everywhere and I have in my notes.
• 1:46:16
  Oh my God, she's breaking. Because it was such a good
• 1:46:21
  moment for her, obviously, she plays it kind of close to the
• 1:46:24
  chest throughout the show. Even though she does have
• 1:46:26
  emotional moments, she is very hard faced and so stoic that.
• 1:46:32
  Yeah, very stoic. And has a really good poker face
• 1:46:36
  in that moment. She just breaks and I loved it.
• 1:46:38
  I loved the vulnerability there. I mean, also another moment like
• 1:46:41
  this, when she pulls the ring out, from her whatever, she's
• 1:46:45
  wearing to be like, I'm still married to you.
• 1:46:47
  Yeah. Oh God, fake married.
• 1:46:50
  Yeah, I thought that was also similarly cuz she did.
• 1:46:53
  I mean we saw her little secret moves of like, I'm going to keep
• 1:46:55
  this ring. And act like I'm not wearing it
• 1:46:56
  like I'm handing back but then when she like just pulls out
• 1:46:58
  like I love you. Yeah.
• 1:47:01
  Oh man. So I mean, we could talk about
• 1:47:04
  that the Rings and stuff. Well yeah, I just, I really
• 1:47:11
  said, oh go on. Yeah.
• 1:47:14
  What do I have here? I have the in episode 21, he
• 1:47:18
  proposes to her and it's not the romantic proposal that everybody
• 1:47:25
  wants. Its out of necessity she needs.
• 1:47:27
  Has manipulated her love ya. I mean, he's using his love for
• 1:47:31
  her to get him to get her to Japan and he's like, well, the
• 1:47:36
  save this way is if you're my wife so they kind of forged the
• 1:47:39
  marriage and he hands her. He what is it there in the
• 1:47:42
  bakery? The French Hurry.
• 1:47:45
  And there's flour on the table, he writer pariba.
• 1:47:47
  Get ya. He writes love on the table in
• 1:47:53
  English and in place of oh he puts the ring.
• 1:47:56
  Oh, I died. I was like, I don't know, I wish
• 1:48:00
  I wasn't so susceptible to that dumb moment but I loved it.
• 1:48:04
  It was horrific and wonderful at the same time because you know,
• 1:48:08
  that it's corny. It's corny.
• 1:48:10
  But it's not really sincere because she's like effective.
• 1:48:13
  Yeah. Yes.
• 1:48:14
  That too. She's lying in a sense and
• 1:48:17
  manipulating him and when he takes the ring off the table and
• 1:48:21
  hands it to her, puts it on a ring, on her finger, tells her
• 1:48:24
  the meaning behind it. The Western of story of the game
• 1:48:28
  including me the naming convention because he's got to
• 1:48:30
  take his last name and all that shit and they pan back to the
• 1:48:33
  table and it says live now instead of love and I was like
• 1:48:38
  if that's not a clear sign of how this thing is going to end.
• 1:48:43
  They are not going to To end up in love, love each other.
• 1:48:46
  Like the love is not going to win out.
• 1:48:48
  She's gonna live because of what he's doing for her and yeah it's
• 1:48:53
  just he's just very forlorn in that moment.
• 1:48:56
  It's not a triumphant moment, not happy.
• 1:48:58
  He has to fake the marriage to help her accomplish the mission.
• 1:49:01
  And yeah, it's just versus a sincere manifestation of their
• 1:49:05
  life portrait. They take the wedding, you're
• 1:49:10
  getting nervous here because some of these things are just
• 1:49:14
  Manufactured to me. So why do we all watch kdramas?
• 1:49:20
  It's this stuff. This is like a job.
• 1:49:23
  Why are we watching this show? Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah.
• 1:49:27
  Oh, man, but they lead the day. They leave on the train to for
• 1:49:30
  the mission and she's dressed in Western ladies clothes.
• 1:49:32
  Not the suit like the looking, so it's sexy.
• 1:49:36
  Do mask suit. She's not in that.
• 1:49:41
  She's got a dry, love that? Yeah.
• 1:49:44
  When he, when he saw, he puts it on.
• 1:49:45
  Oh my God. Just stop it.
• 1:49:47
  People all these people, but it's so great.
• 1:49:49
  You know, she looks cute. She looks stunning in this
• 1:49:51
  moment and he, he acts so well, here he begun.
• 1:49:56
  You can see that she takes his breath away.
• 1:49:59
  Like he's literally like, like he kind of catches his breath
• 1:50:01
  and he says, if my last memory of Charleston is this beautiful,
• 1:50:05
  I'll never forget it and I was like, oh yeah, she yeah.
• 1:50:14
  Yeah. Oh God.
• 1:50:15
  But thank you can say like it all this wedding talk is remind
• 1:50:17
  me of how sad I was about the fact that the loneliest and most
• 1:50:20
  hurt people ended up dying alone.
• 1:50:23
  Yes. You know.
• 1:50:25
  Like, he song to like, who knows?
• 1:50:27
  I know he lived or no, he died. I left my dies.
• 1:50:30
  Oh, he died. So everybody dies looking.
• 1:50:33
  Nobody got anything, but of the Rings and stuff.
• 1:50:39
  That's our finish up. So she figures out that he
• 1:50:41
  should be wearing a ring to a matching ring.
• 1:50:44
  And she puts the ring on him, because he had it on him.
• 1:50:47
  And she finally says, I love you.
• 1:50:49
  She says, I love you. I've always been in love with
• 1:50:50
  you tears streaming. He lets out a breath that he'd
• 1:50:54
  been holding evidently and it's just a really sad, sad moment.
• 1:51:00
  But one that, you know, it's going to happen.
• 1:51:02
  You know what's gonna? You just like?
• 1:51:04
  Oh my God. So two more deaths.
• 1:51:08
  And then I think we should start wrapping it up.
• 1:51:10
  We've gone really long on this episode but Okay, so we song
• 1:51:16
  dies, he ends up hiding love him, he was great like
• 1:51:21
  underrated character. I would say super underrated
• 1:51:25
  because what she was saying and tell me if you think the same
• 1:51:27
  about that thing. Anyway, going I will I will
• 1:51:29
  watch me saying eventually, I promise.
• 1:51:32
  So he ends up hiding like a time capsule of photos and evidence
• 1:51:35
  of the righteous Army and all of the like human rights
• 1:51:40
  violations. And shit that Japan has been
• 1:51:42
  doing and he Hides it and then he gets caught for his pro
• 1:51:46
  career newspaper. They want Intel who's the
• 1:51:49
  righteous Army, where's Ash in all this stuff and he just gives
• 1:51:53
  his previous line. I like beautiful but useless
• 1:51:56
  things and in the end he was a patriot and a journalist as
• 1:52:01
  well. Very died.
• 1:52:03
  A romantic deal of like you can fight with guns and I'll fight
• 1:52:06
  with words. I mean it was really, yeah, it's
• 1:52:08
  very true. Right.
• 1:52:09
  And so like, you know, there that's documentation of witness
• 1:52:12
  being a witness. Yeah.
• 1:52:13
  But Has to history is also important.
• 1:52:15
  Yeah, yeah, lutely. Yeah, one last hit to the Head,
• 1:52:18
  sends them to the ground and the ticking of his grandfather's
• 1:52:23
  pocket watch which was an omen throughout the show.
• 1:52:28
  Definitely its lowest a couple deaths in a way and it's a
• 1:52:31
  couple itemizes. Also I know it was brutal and
• 1:52:35
  now finally, it's ticking. It's last time for Hibbett slows
• 1:52:39
  down to nothing and he's out of time.
• 1:52:42
  It's done. It's very almost anticlimactic,
• 1:52:46
  almost too banal of an ending for such a character, fast
• 1:52:53
  fasil, mmm style, but not really, but it made sense for
• 1:52:57
  him. It makes sense for did.
• 1:52:58
  Yeah. What about the Last Stand in the
• 1:53:00
  woods for the rest of the righteous Army that did make it
• 1:53:02
  out there? Like for they split up until
• 1:53:04
  like four platoons try to make it to Manchuria, a couple of
• 1:53:08
  Petunias. Don't get outta there completely
• 1:53:10
  surrounded in the woods but they, you know, Faye lately.
• 1:53:13
  Raise the flag to fight until The Bitter End and the Potter,
• 1:53:18
  do the Manchurian, okay. Yeah.
• 1:53:20
  The powder gives like a great rallying speech to and that's it
• 1:53:24
  like they all die. I mean again when you start the
• 1:53:28
  show and you know the history of Korea it's like there's no way
• 1:53:31
  the righteous Army is going to like win somehow like other
• 1:53:33
  wiser. This is not happening, right?
• 1:53:36
  So it was just sad the whole time and yeah the putter out
• 1:53:41
  here making hard decisions like you know, I don't know.
• 1:53:45
  Like I loved his character in terms of like they showed the
• 1:53:48
  conflicting way to lead something like the righteous
• 1:53:51
  armies, that were his faction of it and the decisions you have to
• 1:53:53
  make in this in the stuff. The sacrifices you have to make
• 1:53:56
  the He was the one who's explain to everyone like you know, this
• 1:54:00
  is how it's going down and yeah, I don't know, it's just sad at
• 1:54:04
  the end. I think the ending was so sad.
• 1:54:05
  It was the words and you know Japan's gonna win.
• 1:54:07
  You know dripping, you do channelings.
• 1:54:09
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:54:10
  And he's in power alert for decades.
• 1:54:13
  It's crazy. Right?
• 1:54:15
  You'll the death of E1 eek. I kind of wished that Gunner
• 1:54:20
  Jang was in on it, or that one ich knew that she was trained by
• 1:54:25
  the Gunner. Because there was like this
• 1:54:27
  whole running theme of like I'm going to get the guy who did
• 1:54:29
  this to me and one take and Gunner, Jack at all Jang, had
• 1:54:33
  all of his Bad Blood because he killed his dad.
• 1:54:36
  He shot his leg made him a cripple and all this stuff and
• 1:54:40
  it never kind of manifested. But I guess that's just sort of
• 1:54:44
  included gun or Jiang when she shoots his shoulder.
• 1:54:48
  She shoots wanted shoulder and then they flashed quickly back
• 1:54:52
  to the Gunner as a teenager and so he's kind of their In spirit
• 1:54:57
  again. She passed to the child actor
• 1:54:59
  props of time. Yes, he was great.
• 1:55:01
  His training, I guess allowed her to take the three shots and
• 1:55:04
  his daughter. He picked up the mess did not
• 1:55:08
  shed a single tear. She was already feeling super
• 1:55:11
  guilty and torn about everything.
• 1:55:13
  Her dad did all the sins of him and what's cool is that Asian
• 1:55:21
  killed one week without ever knowing that he killed her
• 1:55:23
  parents. That's right.
• 1:55:25
  Well that was an interesting thing too because I went it was
• 1:55:27
  not Gunner jianghu, got to get what it was like you know in
• 1:55:31
  real life you don't get to kill your enemies or do or get you
• 1:55:34
  know, you don't get the Revenge that you deserve and right.
• 1:55:37
  And so I was like, maybe they're trying to like, say something
• 1:55:39
  about that, where it's like, well maybe he lives or
• 1:55:41
  something, I wasn't sure what was going to happen, necessarily
• 1:55:43
  with him, but everybody who needs died, does end up dying,
• 1:55:46
  which is again, that payoff, that comes that you kind of
• 1:55:48
  want. But, but also, Like yeah, it's
• 1:55:51
  interesting that she that they made it like she didn't even
• 1:55:53
  know, she's getting revenge that she was due and the fact that he
• 1:55:56
  wasn't involved really. So that was just an interesting
• 1:56:00
  little. The details of the show of the
• 1:56:01
  how they wrote, in what they included in how they portray.
• 1:56:04
  Yeah, that was so good. Yeah, Gunner, Zhang's death,
• 1:56:09
  awful, no good. Terry, what handful literal
• 1:56:13
  flames of Glory, those are all flames of Glory.
• 1:56:16
  He resolves his issues with the King.
• 1:56:19
  Because obviously, one explode, this spun the story that the
• 1:56:22
  king abandoned, the people who are defending the court during
• 1:56:27
  that encouraging for the US. And then he had a bad blood with
• 1:56:31
  him in the king and the King was like I'm so he didn't say he was
• 1:56:34
  sorry, it was basically said he leases I can't make it out, I'm
• 1:56:37
  sorry, but I feel bad and whatever and you know, he they
• 1:56:42
  did kind of hash it out. And in the end, he does die.
• 1:56:46
  Like defending the, the key The king and all this, all these
• 1:56:50
  people. And yes, he gets the, the
• 1:56:53
  young'uns out of the military academy, after they put the span
• 1:56:56
  of about his marriage to the Archer lady.
• 1:56:58
  What the hell was that about? What they actually, I was just a
• 1:57:01
  mess with us where they actually married or like I think they
• 1:57:04
  were like common-law married. I guess I don't know.
• 1:57:06
  I have no idea. I thought that they were gonna
• 1:57:08
  follow religion, or like, could they be merry like there.
• 1:57:12
  So early. I think they could.
• 1:57:13
  But like I understood that they were not married, they just had
• 1:57:17
  a long-standing flirtation, they had on spoken.
• 1:57:19
  Feelings for each other and they were looking out from the you
• 1:57:22
  think they weren't even in a relation?
• 1:57:23
  No, and then when he, he kind of said towards the end of like
• 1:57:27
  when they were separated, that we're going to leave together
• 1:57:32
  and will Forge a life together. He kind of a kind of, like
• 1:57:34
  halfway said that they loved each other.
• 1:57:36
  She said he would, she was waiting for a handsome man to
• 1:57:38
  come back. That's what, that's what that
• 1:57:40
  conversation ended up being. Like, I'm basically going to
• 1:57:43
  wait for him here whenever he's done, we're going to pick up and
• 1:57:46
  like move together. We're going to continue this.
• 1:57:49
  Gather and then he she ends up hanging.
• 1:57:52
  She's that it was horrible. She's the first death of the I
• 1:57:55
  was horrible horrendous. Yes.
• 1:57:58
  Like so brutal brutal and wanting it was have to hanging
• 1:58:02
  and he shows up and he can't even look at her.
• 1:58:06
  He's just like brim down on his hat.
• 1:58:09
  Like cannot look at her but he screams to cut her down because
• 1:58:12
  this is his wife. And I was like oh my god did he
• 1:58:16
  just claim her as his wife all of a sudden or what a day?
• 1:58:18
  This reads? Like my intended.
• 1:58:20
  This is my intended. Maybe it's like that.
• 1:58:22
  I don't know. Either it was a little confusing
• 1:58:24
  but so brutal nonetheless, yeah, the love stories.
• 1:58:29
  Did not catch a break. Did you understand anything
• 1:58:34
  about the 7 traders of 1905 of the five traders of 1905?
• 1:58:39
  The seventh round, not really. But I will say, in my research
• 1:58:42
  there's all these little skirmishes and things and like,
• 1:58:44
  Was like people who are kind of like infiltrated the king side
• 1:58:48
  of things and we're really like kind of like Japanese spies and
• 1:58:51
  like, we're doing kind of these underrated things and that's
• 1:58:53
  what led to some of the like earlier skirmishes and different
• 1:58:56
  things like that, right? And and that's when things like
• 1:59:00
  Japan. Just like Japan was just like
• 1:59:02
  squatting essentially in a way and it seems, like from what I
• 1:59:05
  read at least and in the beginning and then King Kong was
• 1:59:09
  like, let me just, like, get some formal formal treaties and
• 1:59:12
  stuff to get other people involved.
• 1:59:13
  So that we Can he was trying had good intentions to get creative
• 1:59:17
  lights and power. But yeah, there was all these
• 1:59:19
  other little things that happen. There's a lot of like Farmers
• 1:59:21
  against the king revolting and this and that be coverage,
• 1:59:23
  various reasons. Yeah, for that even before he
• 1:59:25
  was king. So I'm assuming it's, I don't
• 1:59:28
  know, it's tough like Beyond me and because they made a point of
• 1:59:31
  having me, son, come and take their photograph.
• 1:59:35
  Okay, so I want to talk a little about this, the righteous Army.
• 1:59:37
  We've long as that we've young, I press this right in Korean.
• 1:59:41
  Okay. So the thing about them was,
• 1:59:43
  they were made. They were made up of like the
• 1:59:45
  tenant farmers and then, like the Army, the military people,
• 1:59:49
  who got kind of, like, kicked out after Japan's like Japan
• 1:59:51
  invaded, the king's Palace, like, Dethrone to the chaos.
• 1:59:55
  The King was like, still signing stuff.
• 1:59:57
  Sort of, I think I'm a half is just like a puppet came against
• 1:59:59
  like Japan. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:00:01
  Japan was pulling the strings and so-so.
• 2:00:04
  But yeah that is what who the righteous Army was like those
• 2:00:07
  types of the same people we saw and I wanted to mention to speak
• 2:00:11
  on journalism, a little bit. There was Frederick Mackenzie
• 2:00:13
  shows up at the end of the show and takes the photos, the
• 2:00:16
  righteous Army. So one thing that I found out
• 2:00:18
  that I didn't quite realize the time.
• 2:00:19
  First, all that is based off a real photo you can look up.
• 2:00:22
  When you look up Rachel's Army, it is the only known photo of
• 2:00:25
  anyone who's in the righteous Army that exists, according to
• 2:00:28
  what I've read, I don't quote me on that.
• 2:00:30
  But as my ready that and they say this, Yeah, I also brought
• 2:00:36
  it elsewhere because I was like, I don't know what's going on
• 2:00:38
  here but they do they sound. So only photo in the show it is.
• 2:00:41
  I think the journalist said or whatever that this is probably,
• 2:00:45
  the only photo that will exist of you guys.
• 2:00:47
  Yes, okay, so for sure, if I were her child is because that
• 2:00:50
  does end up being the only photo that exists of the righteous
• 2:00:53
  Army. I don't know if they have the
• 2:00:54
  names of the list of names. I was like, going to try and
• 2:00:56
  like Google, it be like that. Screenings are had to Google
• 2:00:58
  because ever have like the same names, you know, like a lot.
• 2:01:00
  So yeah, I didn't really go there, but but then I also
• 2:01:03
  wanted to kind of mention And another journalist.
• 2:01:07
  So Philip Json was actually, so I was trying to find out like
• 2:01:10
  was Eugene Choi. So the thing that is going to be
• 2:01:12
  historical fiction, is it kind of brings people to try and pay
• 2:01:14
  attention to history or like find out about his?
• 2:01:16
  Yeah, yeah so that's a good thing.
• 2:01:18
  So I was like it's Eugene Choi and that's a common question.
• 2:01:20
  If you look at mr. Sunshine.
• 2:01:20
  It's like it was using to a real person.
• 2:01:22
  Was this is a true story, right? So there was a man named Philip
• 2:01:25
  Chase on and Jace are Jason maybe but it's spelled j is 0
• 2:01:28
  hn. O mistress spell.
• 2:01:30
  Like almost like Korean spelling in a way or something but Philip
• 2:01:33
  Jason, he was a Korean born. In naturalized US citizen and a
• 2:01:37
  former member of the Enlightenment party.
• 2:01:38
  He published this, like, bilingual English, Korean
• 2:01:41
  newspaper called the independence to educate create.
• 2:01:44
  However, what it was for, it was actually like American
• 2:01:46
  propaganda or something. It was educate Koreans, I like
• 2:01:49
  democracy and like you know, modernizations that these are
• 2:01:52
  good, things like you want this trolley here, like this
• 2:01:54
  electric, whatever. Yeah, out of those, those
• 2:01:56
  specific things but he was trying to promote that stuff and
• 2:01:59
  so there was sort of like this Eugene asked person who existed
• 2:02:03
  these journalists Like, you know, it kind of makes it like
• 2:02:06
  what Frederick Mackenzie, didn't he song of like independent
• 2:02:10
  journalism, right, you know Koreans, I don't know.
• 2:02:12
  It all kind of like somehow makes a full circle.
• 2:02:16
  Yeah, now that's interesting. Yeah, that's great.
• 2:02:19
  So, you know, I can see, you know, I can see them looking it
• 2:02:23
  up and be like, well we could just make it two characters but
• 2:02:26
  that's if anyone does. And I think so too.
• 2:02:28
  Again, just to go back briefly to Snowdrop or if you are to
• 2:02:31
  take some of this stuff to heart, it's like if you don't
• 2:02:34
  know it, And even if you know it but you didn't live through.
• 2:02:36
  It's like different, right? So it's different to have
• 2:02:39
  actually gone through. I think in America because we
• 2:02:41
  haven't like thankfully had any much happen in our soils and
• 2:02:44
  like you know Generations but 9/11 is I think something that
• 2:02:47
  people who lived through have like a certain concept of
• 2:02:49
  absolutely and after when Kennedy died, so previous
• 2:02:52
  generation, only right? Exactly that, exactly that.
• 2:02:55
  So if you who where were you and Kennedy died?
• 2:02:57
  Were you on 9/11 those things? Those are kind of the closest,
• 2:03:00
  maybe we as like very privileged, a kids can relate to
• 2:03:04
  You think of like people who are Korean or have create
• 2:03:07
  impression, pride, and think of these events versus us, just
• 2:03:10
  because to me is like, media and entertainment, right?
• 2:03:13
  So interesting. I love your points.
• 2:03:16
  Okay, I'm coming up to the end of my notes, to be honest, and I
• 2:03:19
  don't know if I have the energy to like continue talking about
• 2:03:22
  mr. Sunshine.
• 2:03:22
  It's just so overwhelming but I think Eugene dying is the, I
• 2:03:27
  guess icing on the cake. The cherry on top of this awful,
• 2:03:33
  like really emotional Emotional exchange few episodes.
• 2:03:36
  The last six episodes are just Bloodshed hit after hit after
• 2:03:39
  hit betrayal after betrayal and, you know, he died.
• 2:03:44
  He sacrifices himself to save the what little was left of the
• 2:03:48
  righteous Army including his girl and he uncouples the train
• 2:03:53
  and you know, he dies, just shy of the sunlight because it's at
• 2:03:58
  the very end of this tunnel, it's very symbolic.
• 2:04:00
  And you know, this is my history, this is my love story.
• 2:04:04
  This is why. Just I have to go wish you
• 2:04:06
  Victory. All of these things that he
• 2:04:07
  says, I can voiceover are just crazy.
• 2:04:11
  I mean, where else could he go? You know.
• 2:04:14
  Like that's what I just kept thinking in his death is like,
• 2:04:15
  this stuff is like seems like it's in vain because it's yeah,
• 2:04:18
  it's for her. Like, she probably would live
• 2:04:20
  somehow, you know, there is an argument or a point to be made.
• 2:04:23
  I think that yoojin Cho toi is role in this show is greatly
• 2:04:30
  diminished after he goes to prison.
• 2:04:34
  For three years and they have the time Jump to 1907 when they
• 2:04:38
  come back from 1907. Like, it is almost a completely
• 2:04:41
  different show. It is like, it's a different
• 2:04:44
  country. Yeah, different country and
• 2:04:47
  different but very high stakes and you get the endgame episodes
• 2:04:51
  and you're just kind of like wondering where Eugene's
• 2:04:54
  character is going to land here. Obviously, everyone is doomed to
• 2:04:58
  die but you know, this character motivations we touched on that
• 2:05:03
  earlier, like, what is his Deal. He's so wishy-washy.
• 2:05:06
  But at the same time, very Resolute staunchly American.
• 2:05:11
  And honestly, I think that they didn't know what to do with him.
• 2:05:15
  Like they knew what to do with. Yeah, good on me.
• 2:05:20
  Yeah, I feel like they knew what to do with him way more than
• 2:05:22
  they knew how to do with Eugene, they definitely clapped.
• 2:05:25
  When he wrapped his scenes like they just like you're finished,
• 2:05:30
  you're done and we've wrapped this nicely.
• 2:05:32
  Yeah. But then I like I thought when a
• 2:05:35
  Sheen was hurt and she was kind of away for a few episodes
• 2:05:38
  because she was hurt, which is random.
• 2:05:39
  Yeah. And you didn't have her around
• 2:05:41
  if you were just doing I. First of all I would love a
• 2:05:43
  spin-off of so many these characters to exist again in my
• 2:05:46
  fanfic of my mind that while I would never, I will never write
• 2:05:48
  but I would like to know what they do but when she's gone it's
• 2:05:52
  kind of like. Okay bye.
• 2:05:54
  But then it's like yeah, like how would they have ended
• 2:05:57
  quote-unquote her story to like if we kept calling her through
• 2:06:00
  until she probably eventually dies.
• 2:06:02
  I don't know what else. Really gets imprisoned or
• 2:06:04
  something. I don't know.
• 2:06:04
  What else, what happened to her? Yeah.
• 2:06:07
  I kind of thought the same thing of like there's nowhere else for
• 2:06:09
  her to go almost. Yeah.
• 2:06:10
  And even like keeping Eugene around or not.
• 2:06:13
  Yeah, after three years when he's in prison there's like
• 2:06:15
  nothing else left for him to do. Yeah.
• 2:06:18
  Like he's lost. Some Edge and I don't know, it
• 2:06:21
  was that many the show should have just ended what around
• 2:06:25
  then, you know. Yeah.
• 2:06:27
  And had a weird sort of stinger with like, and Japanese the
• 2:06:30
  Japanese forces took over a Dethrone, the king and whatever
• 2:06:33
  year. And like, the trial was weird to
• 2:06:36
  his trial. The trial was, oh, God.
• 2:06:38
  No one can do a good energy. But I'm telling you this right
• 2:06:41
  now, the American like Americans are the only ones who can do an
• 2:06:47
  American trial in In. Okay, then I watch my eyes, can
• 2:06:51
  see the accent. I'm telling you like, the
• 2:06:53
  portrayal of this trial was like Bonkers.
• 2:06:56
  I was like, okay, so there's four people there in this like
• 2:07:00
  jury. Nobody else in here and I just
• 2:07:04
  seen like, like, uh, time so many issues really, that's what
• 2:07:09
  I'm saying. Like this whole show was great,
• 2:07:11
  but then has like so many issues.
• 2:07:13
  Those like, I don't know. Yeah, take away.
• 2:07:14
  Some Soju bottles for me and what you did.
• 2:07:18
  All right, Nina. We've been here like for over
• 2:07:20
  two hours. I think we're done, I think
• 2:07:22
  we've talked about so many things, we chewed on the fat a
• 2:07:28
  lot for the show. And I think that if you are
• 2:07:31
  listening and you've listened this far, please, like let us
• 2:07:34
  know what the hell. You thought about mr.
• 2:07:36
  Sunshine, like reach out to us and let us know what you thought
• 2:07:41
  of the episode. If you made some points that you
• 2:07:42
  hadn't thought of, if you want to contribute to the
• 2:07:44
  conversation, you felt like you needed to jump in at some point.
• 2:07:47
  Like let us know. Tell us Us and apologies, have
• 2:07:50
  any of the history I gave us a little inaccurate or Off the
• 2:07:53
  Mark, or something says trying to read and interpret it all for
• 2:07:56
  this recording. So, you know, obviously don't
• 2:07:58
  have the full knowledge and background.
• 2:08:00
  Yeah. I think in their next lives are
• 2:08:02
  all going to be okay, though. Hopefully, they're all meeting
• 2:08:07
  in heaven, they're all meeting. However, it happened a good on.
• 2:08:10
  They had this whole thing was like, walking off his Spirit was
• 2:08:12
  literally walking away. Oh yeah, he's sorry, he's buying
• 2:08:16
  dreary surreal. He's like, yeah, they when they
• 2:08:18
  come back, Enough like everybody else.
• 2:08:20
  Just died. And yeah, that was it.
• 2:08:22
  Yeah, you got like a Corporal Spirit like just walk out.
• 2:08:25
  Like they love them to have. You could tell the rider, the
• 2:08:28
  beauty they really loved. Good job, Mase character, and,
• 2:08:32
  you know, then again, have stood up acting.
• 2:08:35
  This was so to me, I don't watch as many dramas as you do,
• 2:08:38
  because I don't have the time for that, but I would love to
• 2:08:41
  and also, I kind of am curious if you thought there actually
• 2:08:44
  was good, as I thought it was maybe.
• 2:08:45
  Oh yeah. It was good.
• 2:08:46
  Really good. Amazing history.
• 2:08:49
  Yeah, 10/10 the acting for the acting.
• 2:08:52
  Okay, I think we're good Mina. Thank you.
• 2:08:55
  Thank you so much for coming on this show for being so gracious
• 2:08:59
  about the hurricane and for being very flexible.
• 2:09:03
  Where can people find you online?
• 2:09:05
  If they haven't listened to the novel era episode and already
• 2:09:07
  looked you up, Yes, please find me on Kpop bookshelf on
• 2:09:12
  Instagram. That's mainly why?
• 2:09:13
  I'm, I'm really bad at tweeting but I am capable shelf POD at
• 2:09:17
  gmail.com. If you want to email me about
• 2:09:19
  bookshelf pot, I think that's my Twitter handle.
• 2:09:21
  I don't even know. But, yeah, check it out.
• 2:09:24
  I cover a lot of not just Kpop stuff, but other stuff to try to
• 2:09:27
  understand things like he dramas, and Korea, and Korean
• 2:09:30
  culture Society all that stuff. So, check it out.
• 2:09:33
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• 2:09:36
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