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The first crewed mission to Mars should be all female. Here's why! | Maintaining Frame 50 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello, everybody, welcome Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian. I'm
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here with Allison the Bouse, and this is maintaining frame number fifty. We've
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done fifty of these already, really, geez, I don't even remember the
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first one. Actually, yeah, yeah, we've done fifty. I don't
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remember. I think that they you know, they were called HBr Debate,
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So I think the first one was like, honestly, I think it was
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like Stephen Crowder debating a feminist when his show was only on Thursday nights and
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he would have guests on like Karen and Cassie j and I think we went
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through it, but then we decided that we would change the name so that
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we could cover a broader Yeah that's right, yea reach of topics. So
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we were critiquing how he how he debated Yeah Saturday night with Jordan Peterson and
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the woman from Channel four Uma saying yeah, yeah, so you're saying so
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you're saying, yeah, So what you're saying is what we should organize a
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lie, the lies of the lobsters. We should all, we should all,
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we should all um sing reggae in a lagoon full of full of algae.
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We should under this. We should, but um, but I thought
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those were good. But the problem is is that outside of like you know,
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jubilee videos, which we've done a ton of two, um, there
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isn't a whole lot of that going on as much. So it is multi
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flavored, you know. Yeah, it's multifaceted. I think that's what it
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is. Yeah. So yeah, on today's show, we're gonna be looking
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at an article from big think dot com. I don't know if you guys
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remember I used to be subscribed to the YouTube channel for Big Think and then
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like they just sort of show I mean, they have guests on with different
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perspectives, but they were It was starting to bug me because I kept seeing
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like, uh, let's say, women worsting in it. And I was
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like, you know, I don't think this think is that big, So
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I'm not gonna subscribe and watch them anymore. Yeah. It's kind of like
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a thunk. Yeah, it's like we don't rise above Olympic system thinking.
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Yeah exactly. So I'm like, well, I don't know. I mean,
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I'm not saying I'm smarter than you guys. I'm saying that I don't
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I don't need whatever it is you're selling, and they didn't bring on like
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at least have kept it for that. But then everything was you know,
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abortion, climate change, feminism, rape culture, toxic mask, sculinity,
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talking points like a million times. I don't need to subscribe to a channel
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to get it told to me. I don't. I don't really want a
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sermon. So anyway, so a big thing is a website and they have
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an article which kind of like leans into how I describe their change. The
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entitle or the title is the first crude mission to Mars should be all female.
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Here's why. It's not about fairness. It's about using every possible advantage.
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So I don't know what they're gonna, okay, get at, but
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apparently women are better astronauts XT doubt yeah present. Okay, So before we
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and see people talking about it, because that's what we want. So anyway,
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okay, let's get started on this engaging piece of Yeah. Yeah,
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let's see what these people have to say. I mean, what a surprise
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to just just you know, like, what a surprise if someone would publish
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an article just fatuously praising women. I've never considering oppressive patriarchy. Mm hmm.
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Okay, let's see what they have to say. I'm gonna skip the
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takeaways and just get into the article. Men have crewed every mission to the
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Moon so far, but when we finally send humans to Mars, it would
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be why is to send only women? At least at first? Mind you,
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this wouldn't primarily be for fairness, a correction for the rampant sexism that
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denied American women the title of astronaut until Sally Rides historic flight in nineteen eighty
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three. Oh, so it was sexism and not just the sheer rate at
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which astronauts were best. Test pilots were dying. Yeah, yeah, all
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of a sudden once, once space travel became safe, women were like,
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you know what, why have you denied us this all this time? It's
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like, well, because they were men were making it safe. Yeah,
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men were dying to make it sae same reason. Go ahead, It's the
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same reason why the frontier was originally mostly male. I mean, if you
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look at those population like the animation of how the population of the of the
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US changed over time, and you just watch it, it just starts as
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almost like ninety five percent mail, if not more, and like the ninety
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nine percent mail, and then other one percent is probably some extremely satisfied bars,
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and then it just increases over time, more and more and more as
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the West gains railroad access, as the West gains infrastructure and housing, and
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women start moving over. Why is that? Because it's dangerous and then men
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make it less dangerous and more comfortable and women start filtering in. It's the
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same thing with space, but of course it's sexism. Reality is sexist.
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Reality is and the funny thing is the same women, many of the same
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women. Well, I guess they won't because these might not be turfs.
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They will say that it's sexist that women weren't in space. Of course,
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women also weren't on the frontier, but nobody seems to say that's sexist.
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You know, during during the time when people start, they cared about the
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frontier, like the history of that as much they probably like to, but
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maybe they don't think it, but they don't. I guess not. It's
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not as like achievement orientated. It's just a matter of backbreaking work and starving
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to death. So you know who cares, right, it just men did
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it and then women came. But this is more spectacular because it's all over
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the news. It's a new frontier and it's got all kinds of achievement attached
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to the same principles. Though very dangerous to begin with, as you starting
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to get a foothold, gradually becomes less dangerous as you as you managed to
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start keeping those naked pink apes and alive, you know, and and then
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and then and then the women are like, why we weren't there to begin
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with? Why why was that? What the sexism? No, But the
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same people who say this, many of them will turn around and say,
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but trans women shouldn't be in women's sports. Okay, well, do you
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understand the connection between men being on the frontier and men being in the first
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people into space and trans women not being in women's sports. Do you understand
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the connection there? Because there's a connection. It's called physical capability, right,
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And I know they're probably going to go into all kinds of conclines of
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easily refutable crap about physical capability, not just physical capability risk assessment, because
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if you get into a bad situation I've seen, like you should really people
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should really watch the way men reacted when they were about to die in the
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Space program, because that's really what we need in this program. Like there
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was a there was a guy, an astronaut and forget his name. His
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capsule is going into reentry and something massive fails, and he's just narrating for
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the interests of science the last five to ten minutes of his goddamn life,
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and then he dies, perfectly, calm, perfectly, calm, still trying
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to give a contribution to humanity in the last few minutes of his life.
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Okay, have we ever seen a woman do that? If we can find
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one example. Maybe maybe maybe maybe we can assert things like women are just
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as capable, not more capable, just as capable. Yeah, but there's
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there's a quality there with a lower, a higher risk tolerance of being able
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to manage the stresses on the frontier. Okay that if you don't have that
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high risk tolerance, you're just not going to be able to manage it.
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And it is a physical capability. It's an aspect of physicality, all right.
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So anyway, let's let's get into this nonsense. All right, So
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this won't be primarily for fairness are action for the rampant sexism that denied American
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women the title of astronaut until Sally Rides historic flight in nineteen eighty three,
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but rather a practical decision based on calculations as cold as deep space. Available
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evidence bluntly suggests that women would be more deficient and capable crew members on long
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duration missions away from Earth. All Right, I know I haven't read this
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article. I'm gonna ask you, guys, why do you what what?
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And I'll ask you, Alison, what do you think they're going to demonstrate
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as evidence for why women would be more efficient and capable crew members on long
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duration missions away from Earth. What are they gonna say. I'm gonna saying
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calmer or some shit like that, but I'm still on the space is cold
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thing. Space is not cold. It doesn't have the temperature. Stop watching
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big Hollywood, big blockbuster films out of your lungs? Uh? And how
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long? I don't know if they're gonna mention this, but how long do
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you think it takes to get from Earth to Mars? How long with trip
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is? Does anyone know? I think it's six months, but I was
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gonna say, I think it's months. Um, so I don't. Yeah,
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that's that's a long time to uh, to be in a ship with
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with women. So all right, doctor W. Randolph? Oh sorry,
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what was that? Nine months? Nine months? Oh well, that's just
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enough to deliver a baby, um, Doctor W. Randolph. Lovelace the
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second and Brigadier General Don Dee Flickinger Flickinger, the former chair and vice chair
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of NASAI finger flick finger, yeah, click finger yeah, this is a
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perfect name for this kind of masturbatory puff piece. Lovelace and flick Finger.
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I mean, you can't make this stuff up, okay, and vice chair
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of NASA's Special Committee on Life Sciences originally made the pragmatic case for female astronauts
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in the late nineteen fifties. H you mean like the peak of sexism,
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the absolute peak of patriarchy. There was a guy going against the grain and
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saying we want female astronauts. He probably just thought they look cute in that
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bubble helmet um. The duo noted that women are lighter and thus require less
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oxygen, they have fewer heart attacks, their reproductive systems are less at risk
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from radiation. Of course, Lovelace and flicking flick finger were overruled amid the
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eras prevailing sexism. What are you gonna you gotta put an oven? There
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are there gonna be some dishes to wash. You can't possibly with astronauts,
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for god, They just they just put out there like it's just prevailing sexism.
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Like there's just guys in suits with pipes, and they're like, again,
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you can't put a woman in space. Same people, what would they
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say about trans women in sports? They either say, oh, no,
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trans women should be in sports, or they're against it. You see where
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this comes from? Conservatives? You see it? Do you see where this
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comes from? Okay, people like this seem to think that it was sexism
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that kept women out of the incredibly dangerous frontiers. Yeah, okay, the
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astronauts generally came from test pilots because that's what they were. They were strapped
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in a tin case on a bomb. Okay, so they came from test
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pilots, you know, like the on the rocket. You know, you
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know why test pilots were men because something like what one in five of them
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died? All right? Okay, so if you're if we're part of a
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society, that's okay with women running those risks one in five dying so that
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we can get to Mars, Sure, let's do it. They weren't because
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a headline like this woman died as a test pilot would likely get every suburban
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woman in the US in the fifties on the phone calling to them and saying,
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why, yeah, did this happening and shutting the damn program down.
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It's the same principle behind prohibition. Why did prohibition pass? Because women in
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America said alcohol is a danger to women. Okay. Do you realize the
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pressure that these lobby roots, these almost all female lobby groups put on politicians
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to make sure women are protected. And you think you're gonna you think that
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they're gonna put women like just put them in their gigantic sling shot and throw
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them into space like they did with men. You know, a couple of
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them flat and nobody cares. No, it's not the way the world works.
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So not only was their physical limitations risk taking limitations that women have biologically,
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And if you ever say something like trans women can't compete in women's sports,
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you have absolutely no basis to say that they were sexists in the fifties
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of keeping women out of these occupations that they physically couldn't do. All right,
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this is there was also a far higher than today. I guess maybe
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this has changed somewhat belief that women should not be harmed and that they should
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be protected. Ye all right, ye, all right, let's continue.
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So I just want to say that I doubt that they excluded women because they
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don't like women. I think that, first of all, it wasn't likely
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that women were willing to do that. But even in that, they were
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probably valuing women's lives more than men's, And that's literally probably what it was.
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So NASA scientist Jeffrey Landis reiterated the argument in two thousand, applying it
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more strictly to deep space flight, where the only resources available are the ones
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you take with you. Well, women are on average smaller than males.
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Women use less oxygen, consume less consumables, produce less carbon dioxide, They
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have lower mass and take up less volume. The argument for an all female
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crew is simple. Such a crew would require considerably less support and allow a
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smaller spacecraft. This would produce a considerable savings in costs. He wrote,
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Oh, we're talking about cutting back on the budget to go to Mars,
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Like what what? What? And also do women actually like use less oxygen?
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And they probably do because they got small body, less consumables, but
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they're also like they also tend to require more heating and more climate control.
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Yeah, like men, men can suffer to all And I can imagine being
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on that ship and they're all like asking for somebody to change the air conditioning
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to a little too highs too cold in there, you know. Yeah,
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it's it's you know, generally men are more tolerant to temperature shifts. Yeah,
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and uh, and this kind of just blanket environmental misery. Yeah,
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but you know, like if if there are women out there who just want
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to uh, you know, be slingshotted into space one out of five and
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you go splat, that's a good good for them. Oh yeah, you
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know, you know that's but you know, you also have to deal with
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the society that's not really happy. Like I don't even understand the feminist complaints.
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It's like society doesn't care enough about women's safety. Why doesn't society put
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women in dangerous jobs? I'm in dangerous Like why does society prevent women from
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going into war and going a test pipe? Oh? God, damn,
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what the hell do you want? Do you want society to be so key
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to any kind of danger to women that every single retarded thing that you say
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is a danger to women? Society just whips itself into a frenzy of like
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a dog with a squirrel, Just I gotta step it. I gotta get
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that thing and stop it. You don't like, But at the same time,
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you should be free to do whatever dangerous thing you like. You're asking
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for the impossible as usual. All right, let's keep going, All right,
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um, long term space missions. Recently published study put some concrete numbers
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behind Landis's contentions. Scientists with the Space Medicine Team at the European Space Agency
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calculated that the average female astronaut requires twenty six percent fewer calories, twenty nine
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percent less oxygen, and eighteen percent less water than the average male. This
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translates to some sizeable resource savings. A one thousand eighty day space mission crewed
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by four women would need one thousand, six hundred ninety five fewer kilograms of
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food compared to an all male mission. That's about ten percent of space X
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Falcon heavy rockets payload to Mars valuable space, which could be filled with additional
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scientific projects and equipment to ensure a safe and successful mission. Or or get
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this, you could use jockey sized men. Yeah, you could use smaller
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men. Yeah, you know they exist, ladies, that's true. Yeah,
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I know that they're not in like that's six or seven seven seven.
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They try to make the case without going to the equality. But I mean,
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I just don't think there's gonna be a team of women willing to do
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this. I mean, I don't even know if there's a team of men
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willing to do this at at this stage. So and I don't know that
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this stuff they keep talking about saving on money, and that's I mean,
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look if they crew. Let me just put it this way, if they
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if they crew a ship to Mars with an all female team and they've never
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done this before, They've never sent earthlings to Mars. Okay, and those
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women die like they have some mistake or they land on the planet and like
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fucking you know, Amazon Martians women like kill them or whatever it is.
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It's gonna be like, oh, why did you send the women? It's
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just like you said, you know, why didn't you send Why did you
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send the women? We will shut this down and now we're not going to
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Mars. I mean, why did you set those women up to murder them?
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Why do you hate them with your patriarchal your horrible patriarchal mind testicles you
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hear? Yeah, why did you use your thrall to make them go to
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Mars? Yeah, that's what it'll be. That'll be the headlines. Yea,
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NASA uses thrall to force women into Mars. They would have cared if
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they were male ass sternuts, they wouldn't have died. Oh god. Yeah.
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Do you remember speaking of women dying in space? Do you remember the
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Challenger in the eighties, It was like a space shuttle that exploded and there
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was a female teacher on board that died. I mean, there were a
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bunch of men that died too, But do you remember that? M yes,
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I remember it. Yeah, okay, okay, I'm just checking.
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No I remember, um yeah. I don't know like if people got all
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like been out of shape, but I do remember that. There was a
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lot of focus on the woman who died in that explosion, and that's all
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we hear it heard about, you know, so there was a Yeah,
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there was a female astronaut too, that's Sally Ride, the one they mentioned
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in the article. Unfortunately, reality is that when a woman's involved in something,
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the disaster becomes more disastrous. It's very bad. It's very bad,
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um publicity, and you know, it's it's like if you you make if
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you're running a program in which women are dying, people are not going to
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be happy with it. Yeah, you know, men die and everybody's like,
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but that's the way it goes. Yeah, you know, that's that's
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that's that's that's just par for the course. As soon as women start dying
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in your program, everybody starts investigating. You get bad publicity, you lose
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funding, and I don't know, like, do you want a society that
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just doesn't care about women dying, well, then you're gonna have to let
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go of all the violence against women rhetoric. Like honestly, why would it
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matter anymore than it matters when violence is directed against men? And violence is
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directed against men significantly more often. M hmm. Okay, this is a
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short article. I don't want to spend like two hours reading it. No,
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No, it's fine, it's fine. Um. Anyway, what I'm
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saying is is that like, regardless of who they send, like if they
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if they were able to go to Mars do some stuff and then come back
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and not be dead, I'd be shocked. Honestly. I think that when
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the no matter who we send, Okay, like so if we said men
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as well, like I would, I would be surprised if they came back.
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So um, all right. But anyway, I think that most astronauts
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that are going to go on flights like this or whatever, they there,
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there's got to be a part of them that's aware, you know, that
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they may not come back. Um all right. So yeah, the biggest
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thing that men have is you know, suicidality. Yeah, checkmate this.
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Yeah, the high suicide rate probably makes for a pretty courageous astronauts. I
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don't know. Oh, that's dark, it's very dark. I'm sorry then
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start No, no, I set you up for that. You did all
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right. Beyond physical practicality, there are psychological reasons women might be better suited
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to extend missions away from Earth. Oh really, let's find out. Statistics
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show that all women groups are far more likely to choose non confrontational approaches to
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solve interpersonal problems, and most definitely are more likely to deal with the situation
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without resorting to violence, which could be a big problem on a Mars journey
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where the crew must live in close quarters for two to three years. Landis
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wrote, numerousies have shown that women in general are more cooperative and less given
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to hierarchical social structures. Really, where are those cities? That's bullshit?
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No, yes, because certainly women are the ones whose cooperation has built society.
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Yeah, I mean to a degree, it is on a social level.
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But really, when it comes to goal orientated cooperation, I think that
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men have got us beat there. Just just saying, do you think that
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like male astronauts are just like low impulse control having like primates, or do
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you think they're highly trained, very stoic guys that are doing shit that like
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probably harder work than most others like soldiers, firemen, coast guard whatever.
30:23
Right, this is like a whole different level. Okay, So are most
30:30
definitely more likely to deal with the situation without resorting to violence? Okay?
30:33
Have they integrated statistics from women's prisons and lesbian relationships into this? Of course
30:41
not, because if you look at the statistics in women's prisons, they're horrifically
30:45
violent, even relative to men. And we're not dealing with like you know,
30:48
NASA astronaut men. We're dealing with basically the worst male specimens in society.
30:55
The most were the ones with the least amount of impulse control, and
30:59
they're still less violet than women in prison. And gay men are less violent
31:04
than gay women in their relationships. So where where are these statistics coming from?
31:10
Like, but the other thing is they they deal with non confrontational approaches
31:15
without resorting to violence. Well, non confrontational doesn't actually mean non destructive.
31:23
Yeah, of course it's because if you've got three women emotionally ganging up on
31:30
the fourth and the fourth to kidmits suicide halfway through your mission, that's pretty
31:34
destructive. None of them confronted her about their problems, but they all made
31:41
it known that she was a problem. You know, that kind of ship,
31:45
that kind of violence completely goes under the radar, but it's what kill
31:48
It gets people to kill themselves, that kind of exclusion and interpersonal aggression.
31:55
And when you look at the bullying statistics on the web, women top the
31:59
sharts, like most of the bullies on the web or women, and most
32:04
of the people they're bullying are women. You know, I got that like
32:08
the instant the main channel, Honey Badger Radio started to get a majority female
32:15
viewership. Holy crap, did I get bullied like they were? The women
32:20
were just vicious really, so I got a personal experience. Yes, I
32:24
mean there were some women who weren't. They were they appreciated the message.
32:29
Oh did I get a lot of shit. Though. As soon as I
32:31
got more attention from women, men are like and you know, I mean,
32:35
guess part of it is because I'm an advocate for men's issues. But
32:38
actually, honestly, no matter what you advocate as a woman, you will
32:42
get bullied by other women. And that's statistical reality. So where is this
32:47
coming from? Is this this stereotypes or these self reported studies, because I'm
32:54
pretty sure there's there's some stuff that that contradicts this umerous sociological studies that's shown
33:04
that women in general are more cooperative unless given to hierarchical social structures. Um,
33:09
why is there this belief that cooperation is somehow oppositional to hierarchy, Because
33:16
it seems to me that a hierarchy of skills that's cooperating towards a goal is
33:22
a lot more efficient than a bunch of people in a circle trying to divide
33:27
the resources of the capsule between them. M okay, because that's what I've
33:35
seen when women give concepts. That's not the way that most men like when
33:39
they're working as teams, like in construction or or as athletes. It is
33:45
hierarchical and cooperative. Yeah, that's a thing that can happen. Yeah,
33:52
so cooperative in what sense? Well? Yeah, because women's groups are sort
33:58
of like resource distributing entities. Everybody cooperates and try and tries to I guess
34:06
get equal resources. But that's that's not a good group dynamic for when when
34:12
you want to get something done, A cooperative hierarchy is a much more efficient
34:16
way of getting things done. Yeah, okay, I think these are these
34:23
are really bad assumptions. All right. So, just over sixty years ago,
34:30
the Women in Space Program put nineteen female aviators to astronaut training sixty years
34:35
ago, with more onerous testing than NASA gate to the original Mercury seven astronauts.
34:40
The thirteen women who passed arguably top the men, both physically and psychologically.
34:45
Oh really, arguably arguably arguable. Boy, that's a merely a mouth
34:52
you know, on the primary reason why women shouldn't be the ones going to
34:55
Mars because of the attitude of this article. Yeah, the sense of entitlement
35:02
that had no meaning, the entitlement, Like they're coming at this from a
35:08
place not of service to humanity, but entitlement. Yeah, I mean that's
35:16
the thing. You don't come from this from a position. From what I've
35:20
seen. You know, there is ego, There is hierarchy and competitive hierarchy
35:25
with men, but many of them come from it from an attitude of service
35:30
that they are serving humanity. That man who basically kept reporting even as he
35:36
was going to his death, Yeah, that was an attitude of service to
35:40
humanity. It's completely absent in this ye, where's your attitude of service?
35:45
Get rid of your freaking entitlements. Where's the attitude of service. You're going
35:50
to do something horrific that most likely will result in your death. Attitude of
35:53
service is what you need to get through that. And you don't have it
36:00
I have. You don't see it in women, this attitude of service,
36:06
Just this freaking endless sense of entitlement. You're not entitled to go to Mars.
36:12
You're not entitled to these positions. You're not entitled to men making something,
36:16
and then you're having access to it because you're a woman, because you
36:20
were excluded from the thing that they were making while they were making it,
36:22
well, they were making it, all right. This is what boggles my
36:29
mind. When women supposedly make something like domestic violence shelters, which they didn't.
36:34
They got government funds and a lot of rich men donated to make these
36:38
things. They turn around and say, make your own to all the people
36:42
who advocate for advocate for male victims of domestic violence. Okay, so that
36:46
so if you make something even though you didn't make it, but if you
36:50
perceive that you make something that women make something, men have no right to
36:54
it. But when men make something like universities and certain industries and the space
37:02
program. Women somehow are entitled to it by virtue of having been supposedly excluded
37:08
from it, even though they often express no real interest in it. Yeah,
37:14
like I know the um. You know what the um the thirteen women
37:19
who arguably topped the men most physically psychologically. Yep, they weren't taking the
37:22
risks like those were some hellish risks that men were taking as test pilots.
37:31
Okay, and arguably you know that when you say something like this is arguable,
37:39
that means they didn't. Yeah, arguably taught means they didn't top the
37:46
men. Arguably topped in what sense? Where is the data? Okay,
37:53
because when you see arguably caught, that is a weasel word. No,
37:58
there's just a link. Let me see. Let me see this ship.
38:02
Click on the Women in Space Program link. Maybe that will show us something
38:07
it might not. But it's so infuriating all the women who were like,
38:12
oh my god, we were excluded. And then at the same time as
38:15
they say, but we need to exclude trans women from our sports, but
38:20
you won't take the logical steps here. Yeah, Okay. Sixty years ago,
38:27
NASA scientists found that women would be better astronauts. Their work was never
38:30
published. Oho, okay, all right, okay, so okay, But
38:39
their idea was soon squashed when President the Eisenhower deemed that astronaut candidates should be
38:45
recruited only from the ranks of military fighter jet pilots. At the time,
38:49
women from barred from were barred from the role because it was incredibly dangerous.
38:53
All right. So what they're saying is that because men went through a war,
38:58
they got to be astronauts. Oh gee, howdy boy, what a
39:01
nice actual appreciation for men's sacrifices. But of course this is this exclusion of
39:10
women, you know, and they never talk about the exclusion of women from
39:16
the drafts. Okay. So these two of these two people, they were
39:24
more than up to the challenge of space flights. So with private funding and
39:28
facility at Albuquerque, New Mexico, the duo decided to challenge esteemed female aviators
39:32
to complete NASA's host astronaut exams. Twenty eight year old trendsetting pilot Jerry Cobb
39:40
was the first selected. Cobb was bombarded with the same test the Mercury seven
39:44
astronauts took and passed the program with fine colors, except she didn't run the
39:47
same risks. So essentially, what you're saying as you're putting these women who
39:52
have no history of service in wartime, which itself is or no service in
39:58
the military, which is itself an indication of the ability to manage the stress
40:02
of being strapped to a freaking canister on a bomb. Okay, and this
40:10
is one of them. Okay, we are already in a position to say
40:15
that certain qualities of the female space pilot are preferable to her male colleague.
40:20
Oh God, let's hear how he appeals to the angel in the kitchen or
40:24
the house when he says Lovelace next secured more funning and began searching for additional
40:31
female pilots to undergo astronaut training at the new Women's Space Program. Again,
40:36
this was conducted outside of NASA's purview. Okay, they describe eventually recruited nineteen
40:45
female candidates, each of whom faced the exact same rigorous testing schedule that male
40:51
astronaut and candidates is dirt with the addition of a gynological examination. Some of
40:55
the women's tests were actually more difficult, like the sensory deprivation tests, in
41:00
which the women were immersed in pitch black sound isolation tank filled with skin temperature
41:06
water for hours to challenge their psychological stamina. Someone sounds like he has a
41:10
fetish. Two of the women, Rayah Hurrell and Wally funk And endured the
41:15
tank for ten hours before staff terminated testing. NASA merely placed the men in
41:20
a soundproof dark room for two to three hours. John Glenn later confessed to
41:24
writing poetry on a tablet during his test. Oh did that make him fail
41:30
his test? Did they not? At the conclusion of the Women in Space
41:36
program, thirteen of the nineteen women sixty eight percent passed. For comparison,
41:39
eighteen of the thirty two men fifty six percent selected by nasaid on a GOO
41:46
official testing succeeded. Okay, Yeah, the male the same rigorous testing,
41:54
the exact same except for the sensory deprivation tank. Okay, Yet they still
42:02
don't have a history of performance under pressure in the kind of context that would
42:08
be required. And the other thing is that how do we know for sure
42:15
that they were the exact same tests? Oh? Details of the program are
42:23
never published in a scientific journal, but two doctors withou later critique as well
42:28
as the women's suitability as astronauts in a published paper where they argued that the
42:31
menstrual cycle could affect psychological and temperamental performance during space play. Okay, ladies,
42:37
if you want excuses for your behavior during menstruation, then you are going
42:43
to have to accept limitations on what you are allowed to do because of menstruation.
42:47
If you're going to have your own kind of special like crime of passion
42:52
because you were menstruating, then you don't. You have to accept limitations one
42:59
or the other. We'll we'll work with both, okay. And this is
43:07
this is when again like there was a like people were more men were dying
43:14
in the space program to bring it to fruition. Mh okay, yeah,
43:21
absolutely, I mean that was it was almost like one of those things that
43:24
somebody has to take this risk, right, So, like that's just the
43:30
reality. It's like when imagine like the first time you know, mankind tried
43:37
to sail across the ocean, or when they became interested in seeing what was
43:43
under the ocean, you know, with submarines and whatnot. I mean a
43:46
lot of there had to be a lot of ways that they got it wrong
43:50
and people died that but that's just like that. That's the nature of human
43:57
existence. It's like we're constantly, you know, looking to see what's beyond
44:01
our you know, our world, whether that's in space or in the deep
44:07
sea or underground or whatever. And it's it's risky because we don't know.
44:12
It's the unknown. So people, people die, they you know, that's
44:16
just the way it is. So okay. Just over sixty years ago,
44:22
the Women in Space Program put nineteen female aviators through astronaut training with more onerous
44:27
testing than NASA gave to the original Mercury seven astronauts. Thirteen women who pass
44:32
arguably top the men both physically and psychologically. The first crude mission of Mars,
44:38
which will likely not incur and occur until twenty twenty nine at the very
44:44
earliest, will require every advantage possible, So it only makes sense that an
44:49
all female team should be the first to step onto the red planet. That's
44:55
the end of the article. It's not very long, okay. Yes,
45:04
so eighteen people have lost their lives, men, including I think one woman,
45:12
because of the Challenger one, the Challenger space shuttle. Yeah, I
45:17
assume that they would mention it if the Columbia Space Shuttle had a woman on
45:22
it. Yeah, because the only person who has mentioned in this article is
45:29
Christina the teacher from New Hampshire. Oh yeah right, yeah, So this
45:37
is a very This was during the time that these women were supposedly wanting to
45:44
go or being tested. This was an incredibly dangerous occupation. So one of
45:51
the things that they say is that there was no there were Okay, So
45:57
John Glenn and John Conqueror were two astronauts from your Cree seven and other representatives
46:01
from NASA said that they disagreed with women going into space, pointing to the
46:07
lack of interest in women in pursuing astronaut training, the lack of women who
46:09
are qualified, and the prevailing social order did not accept women in this role.
46:15
Okay, prevailing social order, Well, they knew the dangers and they
46:22
wouldn't accept putting women in that kind of danger period as not because they hate
46:30
women anymore than not, you know, like, you don't want to put
46:37
women into this kind of danger because you don't want them to die. That's
46:39
the same impulse behind caring more about violence against women than violence against men.
46:46
Okay, Like you want a society in which women can freely go and get
46:52
themselves killed in high risk frontier activities. Then you need a society in which
46:59
people say, well, violence against women, and people say so okay,
47:05
while women are as legitimate targets of violence as men. So shut up,
47:10
we don't care like you want to make your decisions here, folks. Yeah,
47:15
you can't have it all ways, all right, you want a society
47:21
that cares more about violence against women and as special names for it, then
47:23
you are not going to have a society that's going to tolerate highly dangerous activities
47:29
for women on any kind of wide scale or incredibly public active. You know,
47:32
it's just not going to happen for you one or the other. Choose.
47:38
Stop trying bellyaching about sexism when the sexism you appeal to quote unquote the
47:47
paternalism you appeal to on one area also has detriments in another area. Anyway,
47:54
women can now be astronauts because it's safe enough and everybody agrees it's okay,
47:59
it's true. M hm, it's true. So this is all irrelevant
48:04
anyway. However, a trip to Mars, like Brian is saying, is
48:07
going to be quite the endeavor. And I'm pretty sure every shot in the
48:14
park, Yeah, it's not even going into orbit, and you know,
48:17
I'd be shocked if anybody survives it. So if we want to throw four
48:22
women up on our little sling shot into onto into into the brick wall,
48:27
surett, let's do that. I don't care. Like, I don't consider
48:30
violence against women to be more important than violence against men. I would consider
48:35
women's lives to be more important than men's lives. If it were up to
48:38
me, you know, i'd throw men women into combat. No, I
48:43
have it so. I have it so that we just throw women into combat
48:46
for a few wars. Let's even out the numbers there. That'd be good.
48:50
And I don't mind sling shotting a bunch of cans of female spam into
48:55
space and having them hit you know, a brick wall and die. Who
48:59
cares? As far as I'm concerned, I don't. Let's go for complete
49:01
equality an expendability as well as benefits. I have just the women to send
49:07
to. Yeah, I think that that list is going to be interesting.
49:14
No, well, there's plenty I could think of, but I don't really
49:17
wish, you know, any terrible thing to happen. But if you want
49:22
to, like, let's assume that they make it. Um, I say
49:25
we send Karen Smith, Gretchen Wieners, um uh, Regina George, and
49:34
Katie Herron, which are the women from the movie Mean Girls. I think
49:38
that that will go over very well. So um, I don't want to.
49:45
I mean, yeah, I think it's kind of obvious to be like,
49:46
let's send the feminists, but really they're they're not going to qualify to
49:52
do any astronauting anytime soon. So yeah, um okay, so yeah,
50:00
but but yeah, I mean you want to see some relational aggression there.
50:04
It is right there. So send the mean girls, is what I say.
50:08
Or send the trans women. Oh yess yeah, there's probably trans women
50:16
trying to get into astronaut to g I don't know. Honestly, I imagine
50:22
that in the future all of women's gains in the astronauts in like aviation,
50:30
in science and engineering will be trans women. They'll just they'll just occupy those
50:36
positions. The CIS women will continue to act like SIS women, um and
50:45
uh and yeah. The world will just basically get back in the kitchen again.
50:47
They did this to themselves basically. Yeah, basically, the trans women
50:52
will will be the preferred in every they'll take over every single opportunity that people
51:00
are creating for women to enter men's spaces, it will be occupied by trans
51:05
women and we will just be back to like the what is it to Sparta
51:09
and the three? You know, yeah, with men going into hairdressers going
51:15
into battle. Yep, you know, we'll just be back there. It's
51:21
and biology will reassert itself. I don't know what the West is gonna look
51:25
like. Killing be interesting to see, but there you go. Might as
51:30
well. Let's let's ride this. Let's ride this roller coaster to the end.
51:34
I, for one, embrace gravity. I embrace the strange and distorted
51:43
future that we are embarking upon. Oh boy, okay, so that's the
51:50
end of the article. So I guess we'll wrap it up here. I
51:52
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52:10
okay, So Nova Fan twenty one gives us a dollar and says, if
52:16
they want to justify sending a woman only crew. They should have a similar
52:22
one for men, but at a safe distance to watch the feminist meltdown.
52:27
Uh, what do you mean by a safe distance? You mean like a
52:29
time gap. I mean the thing is is that, like, I don't
52:34
think the folks in the aerospace, you know, like industry are trying to
52:40
create a gender competition, but I think that people who report on it and
52:46
discuss it do, even if they try to tell us. Look, I'm
52:51
totally not you know, saying that women have been excluded, but they were,
52:54
you know, experiencing like severe rampant sexism and it kept them from taking
53:00
jobs. But I'm not saying that. I'm just telling you what history says
53:05
to me. Even though women have been doctors, lawyers, you know,
53:10
in scientists, pilots for like, as long as those professions existed, so
53:19
there were no men saying I'm sorry a little later. You can't do that.
53:22
It just wasn't happening. But anyway, thank you Noba fan for the
53:31
rumble. RANT appreciate it. I don't think there's anything else so but oh,
53:39
but women are for Mars, you mean from No women are from Venus.
53:44
Men are from Mars. Maybe that's why women are going to Mars to
53:47
look for to look for some good men, because there's none on earth,
53:51
apparently according to them. So all right, I guess we'll wrap it up,
54:00
Alison, if you want, we've gone for about an hour, kay,
54:05
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54:14
right, so let us know what you guys think about this. Curious have
54:17
you What do you think will happen if we send a bunch of women to
54:22
Mars, they'll be gone for what like probably two years or so because it's
54:30
gonna take them like nine months to get there, and then they're gonna have
54:32
to stay there for a while, probably a year, and then nine months
54:35
to come back. So we're looking at like three years minimum, right.
54:40
But hey, Peter Jackson made The Lord of the Rings movies in ten,
54:44
so I guess if we can wait for those, wait can wait for this.
54:47
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54:51
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