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Free Biafra, Ex Nigeria – Hon. Chief Okpara on Genocide, Faith & Independence with Gunther Fehlinger · Gunther Fehlinger Podcast

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I'm so happy to be here this afternoon at the Gunter Failing,
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a podcast. We are developing very well.
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We just celebrated the Biafra Independence Day in Austria this
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29th of November and the podcast is really developing very well.
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We have now 13,000 subscribers on YouTube.
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I want to thank everybody who has subscribed and I'm very
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honoured that after celebrating together the Independence
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declaration of Biafra in Vienna last Saturday on the the 29th of
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November, now Chief Ink Barre is here with us and I'm very happy
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that you're here. I'm congratulating you for this
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celebration. Thank you very.
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Much on Saturday and now please can you introduce yourself and
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sorry if I mispronounce your name and please explain exactly
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your position and your relation and everything about the Biafra
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movement because many people in the world, they don't know so
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much about Biafra and about the tragic history and the great
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future Biafra will have after Nigeria is ex Nigeria which we
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hope here. And absolutely, Chief, the floor
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is yours. Thank you very much, Honorable
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Gunta. I want to thank you once again
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for all the work you have been doing for BIAFRA.
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You are really doing good. We are doing it together, We
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are. You're welcome.
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People like you are not many, believe me, because you care for
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the innocent blood of the people, because you know that
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blood is the Kadam water. And I really want to appreciate
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you once again. My name is Chief Obaraki
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Anasoto. Yes, I am a Biafran.
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You see, I was a personal bodyguard to the Senate
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President of Nigeria. If I came to Austria.
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Shuba Okadigu, he's dead now they know what happened to him.
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Tell me your story. Well, let me be more specified
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on Biafra issue. Absolutely.
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That's what we are here at the moment.
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Don't tell any secrets we don't want to bring you because you're
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already in legal trouble. I guess in Nigeria you cannot.
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Return. Yeah, I can go home, but I'm not
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afraid. Nigeria should understand that
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God Almighty have sent those people that they they committed
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genocide on those people they took everything from.
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They should understand that God Almighty have sent them back to
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life for we to come and finish what we have started so many
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centuries ago. A lot of people don't understand
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what is going on. Biafra is spiritual.
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Yeah, Biafra is spiritual. Those ancient fathers that have
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removed are back and we are part of them.
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Mazen nan de Kano or Hamadike Ndibu.
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Let's explain step by step because our international
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audience has to understand step by step.
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Yeah. So Biafra is basically the
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southeastern part of Nigeria, of present Nigeria and it's
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predominantly Christian country. Yes, we are all in Biafra land.
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We are all Christian, Pagan and Judaism.
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We have nothing like Islamic in our land.
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And you have already declared independence in 1967, yes.
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And this is this infamous or famous Declaration of
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Independence. The first one, yes.
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And you wanted to break away? Yes, But there was this terrible
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famine which the Nigerian authorities have unleashed
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against the Biafran people, Yes. And it was a tragedy of world
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infamity and millions of people of your nation have starved to
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death. Yes, in the 1967 to 1970, yes, I
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understand. Yes, yes, yes.
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And it was horrible. You were personally, your family
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was affected. Yes, my grandfather was a a
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commander in Biafran army. They killed him.
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They killed your grandfather. Yeah.
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So you're from your family. You are like a noble family of
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Biafra. You are the chief one of the
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leaders of the Biafran Society. Yes, I am the I represent the
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Biafran government, United States of Biafra in Austria
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here. I'm the representative and I'm
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here to do my work. I'm here to help the our Mazen
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and the Kano Hamadique, our PM, the Prime Minister of the United
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States of Biafra, and Dr. Ungozar Abeze, who is holding
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the affair now. We have to step by step go for
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the issues because it's all very important issues.
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OK, so let me talk about you in the 1970s first, because this is
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very much the key to understanding today.
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Yeah, it was a breakaway. You wanted to be independent.
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You did get independence. And then the Nigerian
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authorities have basically killed so many preference.
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So much. Why did the British not help
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you? Why did the French not help you?
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OK, the reason why is a lot of people don't understand Nigeria
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has never been a the country before Nigeria.
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There were people living in that land.
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We have the Ibos, the Biafrans, the ancient people.
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We are the oldest people on earth.
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We are the four civilized people, the civilizations that
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the whole world I enjoy today, they took it from us.
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We know who we are and Nigeria and British Nigeria is just a
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British company which is called Royal Niger Company, which has
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already expired. So the Nigerian state as it is
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today was created by the British colonial empire and they were
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combining various tribes and peoples from that region where
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today's is Nigeria into one country.
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Yes. When did that happen?
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It was in the 19th century. 19th century, yeah.
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And then there's a contract of 100 years.
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Yes, which has already expired. And that has expired already.
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So the argument you bring forward for the breakup of
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Nigeria has also a firm legal basis, Yeah, similar like the
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transfer of Hong Kong, Yeah. You said it's 100 years contract
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for the unity of Nigeria, Yes, but now it should be basically
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expired, Yes. And there is no legal brown
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brown case for Nigeria anymore. Yes, yes, and.
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And you have deserved freedom. Yes, we deserve freedom because
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if Nigeria is working as a country, people like us will not
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be here today and be talking about we want to be free.
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When you come stay here and be talking about freedom.
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But because Nigeria has never been a country, you know the
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everything we do as because we are the ancient people, you
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know. So you are the original people
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who live. There.
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And then it was like this in 1967 to 70, you wanted to have
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independence and then the Nigerians have basically killed
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millions of Piafran Christians. And they are still killing us
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now. Now is more because they are
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haunting us. And then in 1970, the war was
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lost or won or. It was not lost.
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It was they gathered together to settle.
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There was nobody. Nigeria never defeated Biafra,
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you know. So there was no victors, no
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conquest. Yeah.
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And there was basically a kind of compromise.
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Yeah. Biafra was reintegrated into
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Nigeria. Yeah.
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But how was the situation after 1970 for the for the Biafra and
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Christians in Nigeria? It was was.
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It good the last 50. Very very very worse.
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They are picking nose 1 by 1. They are killing us one by one.
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That is the reason why people like us are not living in there.
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Because I can't stay in there because I know when I'm living
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there, my life is at stake because there is no government,
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nothing is working there. If Nigeria is good, someone like
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me can never be living in another man's land.
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I should have been in my own land if I want to come to us.
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So I come for a visit, not to come and live in another man
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except if I wish to. So Nigeria is a terrorist
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country that are killing Christians.
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You know they, they kill Christians.
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The Nigerian police, they are robbing the innocent ones.
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And Nigeria is in reality a very rich country.
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There's a lot of oil resources, as I understand, and probably
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gas and minerals, and it has a lot of natural.
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Yes, we are. Very big country, yes, and
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there's a lot of money at the top.
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Yes, we are the richest country in the world.
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But Nigeria is basically economically, it has high
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inflation, low growth, a lot of problems.
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Why is that? Because those who are in Nigeria
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are, are criminals. They are all criminals, they are
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all terrorists. They are very wicked.
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They are very hardly. If not, tell me the reason why.
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Your people, the government that is killing his own citizens, the
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government that kept his own citizens in abject poverty.
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Most of my people are suffering all over the war.
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Most of my people are dying in jails.
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Hunger. You know Nigeria breeds
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criminals. You know it's.
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A lot of corruption. A lot.
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A lot. A lot.
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Of so anyone who is talking about Nigeria shake the person's
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profile. He that person must be a
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criminal nobody that have a mindset of his own that will say
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that Nigeria is a country. No, because we that are all over
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the world. We, I suppose we know how the
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economic works, we know how the world move not people like us
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can still live in that. Such an evil contraction.
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Thank you, chief. The situation is in the last 50
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years since the Civil War, a lot of Biafrans have moved to Europe
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and to the United States. Yes, including me.
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Are they very successful Everywhere is there?
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Yeah, sure, We are the truth. We are the true children of God
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Almighty and that is the reason why anywhere we went in this
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world, we are always very successful.
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Not those who have those people who put their hands in
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criminality. That's not what I'm trying to
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say. But the real Biafran, the real
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Indibo. Indibo, that means the Asian
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people, the oldest people on Earth.
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Wherever we step in, we are always very successful as you
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can. In a good jurisdiction in the
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United States of America, European Union, the behalfo
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Christians, when they come, they are very good people, they
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behave well and they are very successful, economically
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integrated and as you very good and to proper people.
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Yeah, yeah, that is it. Yeah, and now and Nigeria is a
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very corrupt state. It's oil soak and the elite is
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very corrupt. Where do they put the money to
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this Nigerian presidents and the Nigerian oligarchs?
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Where they put the money normally.
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Oh my God, these people have really dealt with their own
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people because they bring their money overseas, they put their
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money in Europe's, they buy mansions in all over the world
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while their people are dying of hunger.
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Why pregnant women are dying in the hospital because they don't
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have money to go to hospital. Why so many people are dying
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because they don't have money to to go to hospital?
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Why there are hungers everywhere, no light, no Rd. no
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hospital, nothing. My people are suffering and you
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know those criminals should be hold responsible.
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After all, the Canadian government, Nigerian political
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parties as a terrorist group, I believe you know about this.
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Thank you. Chief, And tell me about the
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economic situation and the social situation.
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Is it in Biafra today, in the last 50 years?
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Is it very developed skyscrapers, hospitals, or is it
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still a lot of poverty today there?
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Are more than a poverty now in Biafra land.
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You can imagine even as a individual person, you want to
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put things in order. They will tell you you don't
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have right to do that. They will stop you.
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You know why? Because they want to keep my
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people in abject poverty. They want to make sure that no
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one can talk. They want to make sure that no
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one can rise against. And that is the reason why
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whenever you rise against them, the next thing is they will look
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for you to bring down, they will try to eliminate.
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You so chief will eliminate even that Yeah.
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So the situation is it's a failed state economically
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despite being very rich and it's also the situation of the Biafra
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Christians is very miserable in the underdevelopment,
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unfortunately artificially kept by the central authorities.
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And now let's come to the recent accusation of a genocide against
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the Christian Biafrans, because in the media now in 2024 and
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five, it was a lot of reports and that there is this killing
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by the Islamist terrorist. They are coming to the Biafra
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aggression lands and they are killing your people.
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Yes, tell me about it. Yeah, the killings is too much.
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They hunt people, they go homes, they kill people, they kill
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innocent people. Even the police, the community,
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they stay on the street. They raw people and they kill
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people. They keep on.
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They subdue my people. They make my in fact, they kept
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my people in abject poverty that they don't have right to speak
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for themselves and this is so pathetic.
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The freedom must come. Recently there was this Boko
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Haram. Yes, it's a terrorist
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organization. And you should understand now,
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Boko Haram, Nigerian militaries, most of the terrorist groups are
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in Boko Harams, Fulani herdsmen, they are in Nigerian militaries
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and police and they send them in Biafra land to keep on killing
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our people. What is the Fulanis?
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We hear about the Fulanis, but what exactly?
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Fulanis are not from Nigeria, they are foreigners.
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They came to the north, now they conquer the north and now
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Nigerian terrorist government are using these terrorist
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groups, give them military uniforms and police uniforms,
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they send them in Biafra land and they keep on killing my
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people. They go in the midnight when the
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people are sleeping and they commit a lot of genocide.
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And the worst is that nobody is talking.
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The newspapers in Nigeria cannot speak because one they speak
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that company will be in a very big trouble because Nigerian
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terrorist government is controlling all the medias in
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Nigeria and that is so, so so pathetic.
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So this Nigerian government, it's basically looking away when
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the Fulanis and Boko Haram, the Islamist terrorists are killing
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Christians, trying to genocide them, and that's basically their
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duty as a state to protect US, to be Afro Christians.
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But the Nigerian government is not able to do that.
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No. How can they do that when they
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are the ones that are sponsoring them?
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Are they involved? Yes, because the military will
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come and guide them why they are killing people and if you kill
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any one of them then we enlist the military.
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After they left the military, we unleashed pains on the people.
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So there's a collusion between the military and the Secret
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Service of Nigeria with the Fulanis and with Boko Haram,
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resulting in a genocide against Christians.
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Yes, yes. What you think should be done by
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the international community now that we see these terrible facts
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and the Christian as a massacred and slaughtered and there is a
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genocide against the Biafra Christians?
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What do you think the Europeans and the Americans should do to
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stop the Christian genocide? Thank you very much.
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The only thing we can do now, as you can see, we have already the
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Biafrans have already rejected Nigeria.
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Every Monday, they sit at home to show the world that there are
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no more Nigerian, there are no more part of Nigeria.
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In fact, explain me this is a kind of a passive resistance
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movement to stay in Monday. At home, yeah.
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Every Monday. Yeah, every Monday.
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Yeah, they. Stay at home.
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Yeah, and they don't. Go to school, not to the
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university, not to work, not to the public institution.
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Yeah, to show that they don't want to be part of the Nigerian
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state anymore. Yes, and it should also release
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our leader Mazen and the kind they want.
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The people want Mazen and the kind of to come back to him.
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So let's talk. About Massey, because I created
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also the hashtag Free Massey. He's the historic leader of your
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movement, the Nelson Mandela of Biafra, the Ibrahim Rugova of
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Biafra. He is the man who is the leader
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of your movement. Yeah.
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And where is at the moment? As you can see is in the hands
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of the terrorist government of Nigeria which they don't want
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him to come out because you know, Mazen Nan Dekano is a true
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person. He's a very, very good man.
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He's not. We are not a terrorist.
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The Ibos, the Action People has never been a terrorist.
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We are the real Nigerians because we build Nigeria, we
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develop Nigeria. I am part of those who developed
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Lagos State, we developed Nigeria, we develop everybody.
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So when you talk about this Nigeria, in fact the egos, the
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Asian people are the only people that are real in Nigeria because
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anywhere we go, we develop the land.
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So as you can see our leader Mazen and they can, they
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captured him from Kenya, they bring him back to Nigeria.
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What happened exactly? That was when in which year he
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was captured from Kenya. That was 2002. 2000 and.
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Two. Yeah, the 22. 22 three years ago
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so the situation is that the Nigerian Secret Service and.
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Kidnapped him Kidnapped him from Kenya from Kenya to.
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Bring him back. Yeah, and now he.
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Is sentenced to life sentence. Yes, you know why?
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Because he rejected all the offers he understand the meaning
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of a good. Most of all these governors in
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in in the eastern part. I wonder the kind of mindset you
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are having those. I want to use this opportunity
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to tell them that they should remember that, you know, a good
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legacy is better than evil money.
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Because as a governor of the state, your responsibility is to
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make sure your citizens, your people this time around, it's
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your own people. They give you the power to
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govern them. Your responsibility is this is
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to make sure that they are very much OK.
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Chief, let's talk about Masi first, OK?
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Masi is the one person which many people compare to Nelson
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Mandela. Yeah, he's a peaceful man.
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Yeah, very, very peaceful. He's a not a terrorist.
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Never, never. And he was kidnapped by the
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Nigerian authorities from Kenya to bring back to face trial for
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what? Because Mazenan, they cannot
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want the freedom of his people. The killings and the suffering
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of his people are too much. And he said no, he can't take
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this anymore. He want the betterment of his
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people. He want good life for his
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people. And because of this they said
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no, you can't. And that's the reason why they
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are still holding. So he has committed no crime.
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Never. He has never committed.
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He's a good man if. He's not a good man.
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Someone like me can never be part of it.
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So he is the Nelson Mandela of the Biafra people.
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Yes, yes. And he must be, yeah.
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He's even greater than Nelson Mandela even.
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Greater, yeah. And so do you call on the
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European Union and America to talk and insist and enforce that
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Mister Massey will be free again?
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Yes, yes, that is very, very much important.
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Mazen Nandikan should be free. Mazen Nandikan has never
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committed any offense. Mazen nan de Kano is the is
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trying to protect his people and give his people a better life.
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So I don't see the reason why Nigerian government should be
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holding Mazen Nan de Kano. So I call upon the European
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Union, I call upon the NATO, I call upon Americans and United
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Nation to look into this and to make sure that Mazen Nan de Kano
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must be released by all means. Absolutely, Chief.
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And tell me the European Union has a strong trade ties with
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Nigeria and is buying a lot of oil and products from Nigeria as
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well. There is a lot of financial
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assistance from the European Union to Nigeria in the area of
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development. Do you think it's a good idea
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that the European Union stops that cooperation with Nigeria?
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Immediately. Immediately.
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Because those money are given to them.
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They are using it to kill their own people.
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Immediately they should. It's very, very much important.
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Stop the funding, stop the trade.
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Yes, stop the shipment of arms. And technology, yes.
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Because Nigeria is a genocidal. State, yes, they bring the
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weapons, they give it to the terrorists and the militaries to
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be using it to unleash whip evil to their own people which is not
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supposed to be so. And God Almighty is very, very,
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very angry with Nigeria. God Almighty is very, very, very
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angry. The world should understand that
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God is very angry because of the innocent blood that are being
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wasted in the land on daily basis.
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Thank you. What do you think about the
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United States of America and their policy towards Nigeria and
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Piafra? Because Mr. Trump has now
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tweeted that he will no longer look so far away.
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He will watch very carefully situation from the Christians in
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Piafra but he has not done any action.
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What kind of action you expect from the American President?
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Well, I am asking Donald Trump, the president of America to
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interfere now, especially now that we have 40 states in
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Biafra. Lana, we are now a country.
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I want Donald Trump. I wish we have over 50 millions
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of Biafra that have voted for this.
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We have over 101,500 people that went to Finland to redeclare
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this redeclaration. So now, as you can see, we talk.
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1st we I ask you about the American president, what he what
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he should. Do he should try to look into
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it. We need our freedom, we want to
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be on our own, we want to control our resources and we
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want a better life for our people.
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So. You want the American president
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to recognize independent Biafra? Yes, yes.
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You have the recognition similar like Kosovo was recognized by
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the United States of this is the demand.
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Yes, this is what we want. We want them to recognize us
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fully. We want.
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Independent and free country. Yes.
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At the same time, we want the European Union, we want the
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Europe, we want everyone to recognize us as an independent
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country. Thank you.
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Let's talk about Finland. Last year, on the 29th of
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November, a lot of Biafrans came to Finland and they have
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declared the independence. Have you been there?
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Yes. What was happening there?
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Yes. I was there, it was wonderful.
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We really thank God when we get there, we realize that Nigeria
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has sent their some of their people in there to distract what
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we are doing the. Nigerian government government
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has sent agents like cigarettes agents.
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What they don't know is bigger than them because they don't
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understand that we are the true children of God Almighty.
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Everything that is hidden in the in the presence of God Almighty
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is just like a mirror. So when we realize this,
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normally we have to redeclare this before on 2nd of December.
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That was the right time we supposed.
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But when we see how things we are going, we call a cabinet
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meeting immediately, which some of those who the.
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Cabinet of the exile government. Biafran government in exile,
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yeah, we call a cabinet meeting which some of us those who are
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being bought by Nigerian government trying to distract.
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And then we voted, I think we had over 29 vote out of eight
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people who voted that let us redeclared this Biafra the next
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day. So on the next day, we took
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everybody on our way and we redeclared our Biafra.
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So on 29th of November last year, that was when we really
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cleared. That was in Finland.
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In Finland, yeah. And how was the How many people
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were there and how big was that event?
23:53
Over 1500 people. It's very big event.
23:57
It was very massive. Piafa people from all over the
24:00
world coming to last year. Yes, including me, yeah.
24:04
And very good. And what happened in that sense
24:07
because there is somebody in prison I think now in Finland.
24:10
Yeah. And the Finland government is
24:12
thinking to extradite him to to Nigeria.
24:16
Yeah. What?
24:17
Who is that in prison? Our Prime Minister Simon Ekba,
24:21
he was the. Simon Ekba.
24:23
Yeah, he was the Prime Minister of the United States of Biafra.
24:26
He was voted at this meeting in. Last year, you know Nigerian are
24:32
making mistake, you know why? They think when they hold Mazen
24:36
and they can Biafra will not come.
24:38
They also think when they use Finland government to hold our
24:43
PM that Biafra will not come. So it was the Nigerian
24:47
government to ask Finland to imprison.
24:50
Yes. And the exile Prime Minister,
24:51
Yes. So we have the president
24:54
basically is Mr. Mazi. Yeah.
24:56
And the Kano? Yeah, he's in prison now in
24:59
Nigeria. And the Prime Minister is in
25:02
Finland at the moment. Mr. Ekba?
25:04
Yeah. He's.
25:05
There. They're holding him there, yeah.
25:06
They're holding him there and why?
25:08
On which charges? Why they hold them?
25:10
Because Nigerian government tagged him terrorists.
25:14
But is is our PN Simon by here now when the killings that is
25:19
going on in Biafra land, The killings of Christians in Biafra
25:24
land in all over Nigeria, is PM there?
25:26
No, we are never a terrorist. The only thing they are trying
25:30
to stop us so that they will Biafra will never come so that
25:33
we took our land away from us. They only want to destroy.
25:36
Finland should release, Yes, in this Prime Minister.
25:39
Yes, Mr. Ekba should be released.
25:41
Yes, they want him to be. Released.
25:43
They should allow our PM to go. We need him now.
25:47
We need him. Finland is threatening to
25:49
extradite him to send him to Nigeria.
25:52
Is this a good idea? No, no, no, because Nigeria,
25:56
there is no law in Nigeria. The people, those terrorists,
25:59
those who does not understand the rules and Nigeria is a
26:04
lawless country. If you know, this is a place
26:07
where if you commit crime, you can always go.
26:09
Yeah. The terrorists of the Boko Haram
26:12
and Gulani are not in the jail, Yeah.
26:15
Not. The exile leader of Biafra,
26:17
Yeah, is in jail for a lifetime, Yeah.
26:19
That's very unfair. Yes, very, very unfair.
26:22
That's very unfair. So the Finland should they sent
26:25
the Prime Minister in exile to Nigeria.
26:28
No, no, no, no. They should.
26:30
They should let him go. Yeah, we need him.
26:32
He should come back to us. So I will join hand and finish
26:35
what we have already started. But I also want to tell them
26:39
that with our Prime Minister or without our Prime Minister, we
26:42
are going home because Biafra is here.
26:44
Thank you. Absolutely.
26:46
Chief, tell me about there's a certain division in the Biafra
26:49
movement. I understand.
26:50
And there's the Prime Minister in exile, which is the Briga.
26:54
Yeah. Is based in Washington.
26:55
Yeah. And there's the United States of
26:58
Biafra government with one lady. She's based in Europe.
27:03
Can you describe? Yes, yes, you know.
27:06
It's very common in exile movements that there's
27:08
divisions, yeah, but unity would be good.
27:11
Yes, not now anymore, because you know, the the government in
27:18
exile, Ogen Kerry was our finance minister.
27:22
That's the current acting Prime Minister in exile in the
27:25
Washington. He declared himself as acting
27:28
Prime Minister and nobody gave him that.
27:30
They don't have the mandate he will he sign all of them that
27:36
are claiming that our government in exile at least all of us went
27:39
to Finland and they all voted all.
27:41
Together then. Yeah, even then.
27:43
One year ago. Yeah, even in both of the
27:45
everybody. And now they are in Washington.
27:47
Yes, yes. And who's the lady who is in the
27:50
United States? Yeah, our Deputy Prime Minister.
27:53
Deputy Prime Minister. Yeah, our Deputy Prime Minister.
27:56
Yeah. What's her name?
27:58
Madam. What's her name?
27:59
Doctor. Ungosi Arabesi, He's a strong
28:02
man, a strong woman and woman. And she's based in Europe.
28:06
Yeah, no, she's in America. In America.
28:08
Yeah, and we are very proud of her because she's doing great.
28:12
I understand you are supporting her, yeah.
28:14
Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
28:15
What's? Your role?
28:17
What's your position in the Excel government?
28:19
You also have a position. Yeah, I'm also Australia as
28:24
then. You're the Austrian office,
28:26
basically of the United States of Biafra.
28:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've been there.
28:32
This was only when they kidnapped Mars in and the
28:35
cannon. Then we realized that those who
28:37
are fighting for Biafra, they are not there for Biafra.
28:40
They are just there for their pocket, so.
28:42
Let's not excuse anybody because, yeah, but I understand
28:46
there's the Mr. Mazi is the president.
28:48
There is the Prime Minister in exile who is in prison.
28:51
And now after this Declaration of Independence, there's
28:54
basically the former finance minister in Washington who has
28:58
declared himself the acting Prime Minister and the former
29:01
Deputy Prime Minister, the lady, she is also looking for
29:05
legitimacy and is representing the United States of Biafra.
29:09
And there's the basis of the conflict at the moment, yes,
29:12
it's very normal in exile movements to have these
29:15
divisions. That is not right, but it's not
29:17
good. We have to move with one spirit.
29:19
1 mind division is always not good.
29:22
It's always. Unity is methods for achieving
29:25
independence, yeah, but recognition, yeah.
29:28
But if someone fall apart, yeah, many, as they said many are
29:32
called, but few are choosing, yeah.
29:35
Do you call for unity? Yes, of the Biafra movement?
29:38
Yes, to achieve independence. Yes.
29:41
That would be the optimal outcome.
29:43
Yes, yes. But as you can see, I believe
29:46
some of them have been bought and then they are working.
29:49
Let's not speculate on that one. But I also call for unity of the
29:53
Biafra movement, Yes, because I know very much the Kosovo
29:56
Albanians. Yes, there were many parties
29:58
like Uchika El Dika Bedika, but they were divided.
30:02
But at the moment when it matters most, when the war was
30:06
there for liberation, all Kosovo Albanians stood together to be
30:10
united with America and to go for independence.
30:13
And that's the way to achieve. It unity is important.
30:18
Many are uniting now. March.
30:20
This Saturday we met here in Vienna for a ceremony
30:24
celebration of the 1st anniversary of independence.
30:28
It was wonderful, I really loved it.
30:30
Thanks for inviting. Me.
30:31
Thank you. Very much.
30:32
It was really good. It's a lot of videos online and
30:34
I shared it widely. It was very, very nice.
30:37
We put the EU and NATO flag, the Biafra flag and the Austrian
30:41
flag. Yeah, yes.
30:42
What do you want from the Austrian government?
30:45
Now I am pleading the Austrian government to assist Biafra, to
30:51
recognize the United States of Biafra, because already we have
30:55
already cleared our nation and we stand by that, and we want
31:00
the whole world and Austrian government to recognize us.
31:03
Austria must recognize Biafra. Yes.
31:06
You know that Austrian chancellor, in our Prime
31:08
Minister's office, we have an office for the fight against the
31:12
prosecutions of Christians worldwide.
31:14
Yeah. Do they contact you?
31:17
I send them a mail which, well, I don't want to talk about it
31:22
now. Yeah, but maybe in the future
31:24
they should be more active. Yeah, they should.
31:26
Because one thing is talking about we want to fight.
31:30
Prosecution of prisons. But much better is to be active,
31:35
yeah. And to really help you to
31:37
establish exile government, recognise you as the
31:39
representative of PIAFRA. Yeah.
31:42
And have a full institutional cooperation between Austrian
31:47
government and you as the liaison of the United States of
31:51
PIAFRA in Austria. Yes.
31:53
Yes, that would be the optimal outcome I.
31:55
Think so, yes. Thank you as a basis for
31:57
independence. Yes, yes, yes.
31:59
Let's talk about yourself. You are also a very interesting
32:02
personality. I got to know you now.
32:05
You came to Austria. When did you exactly come to
32:08
Austria? I've been in USA a bit long.
32:11
I'm here more than 20 years. 20 years.
32:14
Yeah, more than 20 years. And you came from Nigeria
32:18
directly? Yes, I came from Nigeria.
32:20
I left Nigeria not because I want to live in Austria.
32:24
I'm living in exile. Yeah, I came to Nigeria.
32:27
I left all Nigeria to Austria because of the what is going on
32:32
in Nigeria and also because of my work with the Nigerian
32:36
government as the personal bodyguard to the Senate
32:39
President of Nigeria, Shubho Kadibu.
32:41
So you are like a political refugee, Yeah, now in Austria.
32:45
Yeah, yeah. And did you get the status of
32:50
asylum? Actually.
32:57
No secrets. We don't want to hear all the
32:59
secrets. But you're 20 years here.
33:01
Yeah. And you're also a famous
33:03
sportsman. Yes.
33:04
So everything walks through my sports career.
33:08
Sports career yeah, tell me about your sports.
33:11
Are you? You're a famous sportsman and.
33:12
Yes, yes, you're very strong. Yeah, that's why God have
33:18
choosen those who is going to do this work.
33:20
So, and I'm part of that and I can't hide myself.
33:24
Yeah, you are, which can sport a little bit because.
33:26
I was a good fighter. A fighter, yeah, In boxing.
33:30
No free fight and wrestling, yeah.
33:32
Wrestling. Yeah.
33:33
I. Was also a European heavyweight
33:35
champion, yeah. European heavyweight champion in
33:41
wrestling. Yeah, very.
33:42
Good. You are very television.
33:44
Famous. Yeah, I've been in television
33:47
and so many newspapers like I was in and their newspapers,
33:57
different newspapers and magazines and yeah, and all that
34:00
things that follows. Very good.
34:02
Did you? You went to some fights, some
34:04
championships. Yes, yes, I fought in different
34:07
land and here in Austria too. And you were fighting for
34:10
Austria? Yeah, yeah.
34:12
OK. Thank you very much.
34:13
Thank you very much. You absolutely.
34:17
That's good. Yeah, that's good.
34:19
And now you continue to be a sportsman or it's.
34:22
No. Because I'm 57, you maybe are
34:26
what's your what's your age? I'm 50 something. 50 something
34:30
you don't think? Yeah, but now I'm can be
34:33
fighting for sports when my people are dying.
34:36
The best thing I can do now is to make sure that my people have
34:40
a better life because just like I'm here, if I don't have money,
34:45
my people cannot eat. The people I'm feeding so many
34:48
families, which if I'm having a monetary problem, I'll be
34:52
feeling for them because I know how everything is around them.
34:55
So the best option for me now is my children cannot be here
35:00
enjoying while my people are dying and people think
35:02
everything is normal. No, there is nothing like I need
35:05
to also help the United States of Biafran government in Austria
35:14
to make sure that we put capability where capability is
35:18
supposed to be. Thank you.
35:19
You are a famous sportsman here in Austria, have been fighting
35:22
for Austria, achieved the championships and now you have
35:26
the possibilities also to give something back, yes, And to help
35:30
your people, yes, on the political front, yes, but also
35:34
on the social front. You help them also when they
35:36
have needs, yes. And you help them also with
35:38
integration in Austria? Yes.
35:41
How is the situation of the Biafran people in Austria?
35:44
Well, as a Biafran, if you are having a problem, maybe like,
35:49
like, like deportation and it got to my table, I will, I will
35:58
send messages and mails to the government of Austria and they
36:03
will not deport you. So, but only as a Biafran
36:07
without any crime, you know, without crime.
36:10
If the Austrian government wants to deport people from Biafra
36:13
towards Nigeria, where they will be prosecuted, Christians,
36:17
Christians from Austria will be sent to Nigeria where they face
36:22
the Boko Haram and the Fulanis. That's very bad.
36:26
We shouldn't do that. Yes, yes, really.
36:28
My people are really suffering. They really need.
36:30
Help So how many Biafran people Christians live in Austria?
36:35
I think there are many many, so many, so so many.
36:38
In Linds in Vienna. Yes, everywhere, we are all over
36:42
the world. That's why Nigerian government
36:44
lies cannot be hidden anymore because any lies they bring in
36:48
when we expose them to the community of the world, we are
36:51
all over the world. So they should understand that
36:53
gone are those days when they will tell lies and the world
36:56
will just listen to it. Any lies they put on, we will
36:59
bring the truth out. Thank you.
37:01
Chief, tell me a bit more about the Biafran people in Austria.
37:05
Is there some support from the state?
37:07
Is there some politicians who are interested?
37:10
Because we have several politicians who are very
37:13
Christian and they want to help the Christians in Biafra, in
37:17
Nigeria, in Lebanon, in other countries.
37:20
But do you work with them? Are you in contact with them?
37:23
Not really, but I believe with time with your help also I
37:28
believe everything happened at the right time.
37:32
Because the Austrian church has every December or end of
37:37
November. We have African Catholic
37:38
community here. Yes, there is the Red Wednesday.
37:42
The Red Wednesday is the day when all the churches in Austria
37:46
are in red, and also the parliament until recently,
37:49
because now the new president doesn't like that anymore.
37:52
But we have it in red in order to protest against the red blood
37:57
being spilled by extremists and terrorists of Christians in
38:02
Syria and Nigeria, and especially in Biafra.
38:05
So I think there should be a lot of solidarity in the Austrian
38:09
Christian service with the Biafra people.
38:11
Absolutely, yeah. Sure.
38:13
Do you think we can convince them as well that it's not about
38:17
solidarity alone, but also about independence?
38:20
Yes, yes, because we have all the documents and everything
38:24
they needed will be provided to them for them to realize that
38:27
everything we say is the truth and nothing but the truth.
38:31
Because Nigeria is expired, basically it's a colonial
38:34
imposed project by the British, yeah, which has a termination
38:39
contract is. Expired.
38:41
It has already expired. And Biafra should be free.
38:43
Yes, yes. And now that the people have
38:46
said no, we don't want to be Nigeria again, we don't want to.
38:49
We want out. They show it by their actions
38:53
every Monday sit at home and now during the voting, over 50
38:58
millions of Biafra voted that they want out.
39:00
So as the people, the will of the people most carried out,
39:05
yes. And to hear so Austrians as
39:07
Christians should stand in solidarity with the Christians
39:10
of. Biafra Yes, yes, I think yes,
39:12
it's good. We really need.
39:14
Unfortunately, Austria is much more interested in trade
39:18
relations with Nigeria. Yes, yes.
39:20
And that's a very corrupt and failed state.
39:23
Yes, it's very unfortunate. Yes, any country now that is
39:27
supporting Nigeria should understand that they are also
39:30
supporting the killings of the Christians in Nigeria because
39:34
all the resources they give to Nigerian government, they are
39:37
using it to kill their own citizens because they want the
39:40
Islamic world. But you don't know now Nigeria
39:43
is an Islamic nation. Yeah, Nigeria is an Islamic
39:46
nation. We don't know.
39:48
Nobody asks us for our own concept.
39:50
We are not Islam. We are the Jews, we are the
39:53
Asian people, we are the Christians.
39:55
So I mean that shouldn't be. So Biafra is an open and
39:59
tolerant society where you have Christians, you have Jews, you
40:02
have Asian people, you know, but there is no Muslim in no.
40:07
No, no, no, no, no. So they are coming from the
40:09
north. Yeah.
40:09
And they are killing you. Yeah.
40:11
And you want your own state in order to be secure?
40:14
Yeah. That you can invest, live and
40:16
protect your families. Yeah.
40:17
In their own state, Yeah. With your own army?
40:19
With your own security, Yes. Similar like we have it in
40:22
Croatia, for example. Yes.
40:24
Or North Macedonia, Yes. Yes.
40:26
Have you traveled actually now since you were 20 years in
40:29
Austria? Have you been to Croatia?
40:32
Yeah, I've been to Croatia. For the holidays maybe?
40:35
Yeah, and it's. A wonderful country.
40:37
Very beautiful. Do you know the sea?
40:39
Beautiful. I didn't go much, I just
40:42
entertained my children. OK, Very good situation is that
40:46
Croatia was also in Yugoslavia, it was part of Yugoslavia and it
40:50
was very unlawful state and the Croatians lived in very bad
40:54
situation and then they broke away.
40:56
They built their own country, they have their own nation and
40:59
now they are very, very happy, very secure and prosperous and
41:04
member of you and NATO. Wow, super.
41:06
This is exactly what we are asking the world power the world
41:09
to look into. Do you want to be the Croatia of
41:12
Nigeria? Yes, yes, yes.
41:15
Because once Biafran emerge, the terrorism in Sahara, we stop.
41:19
We are going to make sure that we stop the terrorism and then
41:24
everybody can travel anywhere he or she want to go.
41:27
There will be free movement. And Biafra has also the sea
41:31
access. Yes, it's at the sea.
41:33
Yeah. Basically.
41:33
Yeah, it is the own port. Yeah, own sea.
41:37
And like we. Have our own sea, but we don't
41:39
have a port in Biafra. There is no any.
41:41
Nothing like development in Biafra.
41:42
And they have not. Invested.
41:44
Nothing they have. Kept you blue.
41:45
No kept 100 years, no light, no hospital, no Rd.
41:50
People are dying rashed in Biafra land.
41:53
People are re suffering. Very, very, very people are
41:56
suffering. You go to school after coming
41:58
out from school, you don't. You can't do anything.
42:01
Chief, is it now time for Ex Nigeria?
42:03
Yes, nice ex Nigeria and that's that is what it's going to be
42:08
same. Nigeria same like ex Yugoslavia,
42:10
ex Nigeria. Yes, ex Nigeria.
42:12
Do you see the parallel between Yugoslavia and Nigeria?
42:15
Yes, and here the opportunities for Croatia and Piafra to be
42:20
friends. Yes, yes, and.
42:21
Piafra to be free? Yes absolutely.
42:24
I see the same and I wish it will be happening.
42:27
Thank you very much. Thank you, I wish you all the
42:29
best, it was nice to talk. To you, thank you very thanks a
42:32
lot. Thank you and all the best.
42:33
Thank you and free Biafra. Biafra and ex Nigeria.
42:37
Ex Nigeria. Thank you very much.
42:39
Thanks for coming. Thank you.
42:41
Thank. You all the best, thank you.