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How JLo and Ben Broke Up and Housewife Producer Tells-all · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 1: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: I've got some hot topics and some updates, and then
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  Speaker 2: I have such a juicy interview with the former EP
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  Speaker 2: of Real Housewives of OC, Thomas Kelly. You've heard about
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  Speaker 2: him a little bit in the news. We get right
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  Speaker 2: into the juice. But even if you don't follow the Housewives,
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  Speaker 2: this is a really juicy interview about any reality show,
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  Speaker 2: how it's produced, how the cast is treated, how the
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  Speaker 2: cast treats the producers. So much Hollywood insight. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to love it. And he's a total delight. So first,
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  Speaker 2: let me just get into a little update. Justin and
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  Speaker 2: I were talking about Eric Decker and how his little
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  Speaker 2: kid supposedly was playing with his phone and accidentally uploaded
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  Speaker 2: a photo of him in the shower. Like little kid
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  Speaker 2: was doing a selfie and little kid who's like four.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And adorable.
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  Speaker 2: And adorable. accidentally posted the photo onto Instagram story and
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  Speaker 2: it was him in the shower with his perfect backside.
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  Speaker 2: I talked about it. I talked about thirsty moms and
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  Speaker 2: how hard it is to be a thirsty mom. Well,
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  Speaker 2: talk about being a thirsty mom. The Juicy Scoop detectives
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  Speaker 2: zoomed in and realized that there's a lot of long
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  Speaker 2: brown hair on the outside of at the very edge
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  Speaker 2: of the photo where the kid is, meaning it's like,
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  Speaker 2: imagine if I was Jessie. This is what she's being
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  Speaker 2: accused of. There's no trial set. She takes the selfie,
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  Speaker 2: the husband's behind with his perfect ass. She's like, let's
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  Speaker 2: make all these bitches jealous that that's what's fucking me
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  Speaker 2: every night. Let me make everyone jealous that this is
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  Speaker 2: my adorable, perfect looking chocolate eyed baby.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Chocolate-eyed baby, come here. Does a selfie, does a
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  Speaker 2: selfie and go, look at yourself. Yeah. Look at yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, you know what? Here's the thing, people. It's hard
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  Speaker 2: being a thirsty bitch out there in 2022. Sometimes you
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  Speaker 2: pretend your kid took a selfie of your husband's perfect body.
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  Speaker 2: Other times you tell your boyfriend, can we film a
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  Speaker 2: video celebrating our one-year anniversary and save it just in
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  Speaker 2: case we break up and I want to post that
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  Speaker 2: video anyway in a post-it breakup. You know, it's a game.
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  Speaker 2: The social media with the stars is a game. So
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  Speaker 2: don't hate the game, people. I mean, don't hate the players.
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  Speaker 2: Hate the game. We don't know. I'm just saying it's hard.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard for thirsty people. You know, I'm dehydrated myself. Okay. Um,
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  Speaker 2: Also update on the Ricky Martin. I said it was
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  Speaker 2: his biological nephew who is accusing him of being a
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  Speaker 2: stalker after they had a relationship for seven months. And
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  Speaker 2: because it is his nephew in, and that is a
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  Speaker 2: relationship that is an incest, he is looking at more time,
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  Speaker 2: a lot more in Puerto Rico than he would in America.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was pointed out that I said biological nephew and
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  Speaker 2: people were like, I don't know if that's true. What
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  Speaker 2: we found is it is his paternal half sister's son.
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  Speaker 2: So they, so Chris, Ricky Martin and his sister share
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  Speaker 2: the same dad. That sister has a son. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if the son is biologically hers, if the
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  Speaker 2: son is a stuff, who cares? Okay. The point is
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  Speaker 2: don't be dipping in the family pool for sex in
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  Speaker 2: any way. Okay. Find some other people.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's very, so, um, I just wanted to clear that
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  Speaker 2: up cause I'm, I'm not a hundred percent sure of,
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  Speaker 2: of who, in fact, but he, again, Ricky Martin is
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  Speaker 2: people's claim. None of this is true. And that this
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  Speaker 2: 21 year old nephew, whether half nephew or full nephew
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  Speaker 2: or whatever is Um, he suffers from mental illness and
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  Speaker 2: he clearly made up all these lies. So just to
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  Speaker 2: get that out, um, couple little update on the Jen
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  Speaker 2: Ben wedding. Us Weekly is saying that something is not
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  Speaker 2: adding up. Ben Affleck listed his date of divorce from
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Garner as exactly nine years before his wedding to
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Lopez, even though the former couple did not finalize
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  Speaker 2: their divorce until, um, October 18th, I mean, until October, 2018.
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  Speaker 2: So there's been these weird discrepancies. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: he was like tired or buzzed or wrote the wrong
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  Speaker 2: thing on the paperwork in marrying Jennifer Lopez. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what Us Weekly is looking at. But, um, so there's,
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  Speaker 2: he's saying that the date of separation was 2013 and
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  Speaker 2: then he filed in 2015 and then they weren't divorced
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  Speaker 2: until 2018. I know that I tested for a talk
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  Speaker 2: show in which Jennifer Garner was going to be in
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  Speaker 2: it and be a panelist. It was her show. And
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  Speaker 2: I was going to be one of them. The show
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  Speaker 2: never went past the pilot stage. However, one of her
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  Speaker 2: juicy stories was she and her husband, Ben Affleck at
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  Speaker 2: the time, both found themselves up at 3am going to
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  Speaker 2: the bathroom, checking on the kids. And they're like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what? You got to get your bones in with
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  Speaker 2: your husband when you have little kids when you can. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Quite distracting me that imagining her having sex with Ben
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  Speaker 2: Affleck while I have to like be funny on this show.
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  Speaker 2: That would have been in 2015 that I experienced that story.
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  Speaker 2: So if they were separated in 2013, we didn't know
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  Speaker 2: about it. And they obviously got back together because she
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  Speaker 2: said she was, you know, boning him. I don't really know.
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  Speaker 2: But then I did look up why in fact they
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  Speaker 2: did break up. He and Jennifer Garner, sorry, he and
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Lopez, uh, Almost 19, it was about 19 years ago. Um,
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  Speaker 2: it was 2003. They were engaged. She had the big
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  Speaker 2: pink diamond and he had just spent a million dollars
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  Speaker 2: celebrating her 33rd birthday. A big party, million dollars on it.
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  Speaker 2: They were so in love. Wedding plans set. This was
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  Speaker 2: going to be a big, huge wedding. This would have
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  Speaker 2: been her third wedding. She got married to this one
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  Speaker 2: guy way in the beginning of her career. And she
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  Speaker 2: divorced Chris Judd, the choreographer. According to this Daily Mail article,
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  Speaker 2: he got $ 9 million from that divorce, Chris Judd. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if that's true. That's what Daily Mail said. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: what happened was Ben Affleck was out filming a movie
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  Speaker 2: in Vancouver. He and Christian Slater, Christian Slater's wife, Ryan
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  Speaker 2: something at the time, maybe they're still married, and Tara
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  Speaker 2: Reid all go to this strip club. And according to
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  Speaker 2: the stripper who told Daily Mail her story... They have
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  Speaker 2: eyewitnesses that they were all in a private room, that
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  Speaker 2: they were giving him Ben Affleck multiple lap dances, that
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  Speaker 2: Christian Slater invited them back, that they hung out together.
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  Speaker 2: That's what happened 19 years ago. So that's why she,
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  Speaker 2: rightfully so, cut off the wedding. I think it's great.
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  Speaker 2: He's a different man. It's 19 years later. But I
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  Speaker 2: just wanted to clear that up because I couldn't remember
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  Speaker 2: and I figured it out. Also, people believe that Ben
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  Speaker 2: Affleck has had a hair transplant. I immediately said no
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  Speaker 2: until I looked it up. Look it up. And also
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  Speaker 2: I remember that Casper Smart, who she dated after, who
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  Speaker 2: is the singer that she has the kids with? After
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  Speaker 2: she broke up with Mark Anthony, she dated Casper for
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  Speaker 2: a while. He was very into her. He seemed like
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  Speaker 2: a delight. But there were reports, again from the Daily Mail,
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  Speaker 2: back in 2012, Isn't JLo enough for you, Casper Smart?
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  Speaker 2: Toy Boy is one of the world's sexiest singers caught
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  Speaker 2: slinking into a seedy X-rated peep show. I remember that
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  Speaker 2: was a big scandal. You know, it's not on the
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  Speaker 2: woman how hot you are if a guy cheats or not.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's the guy who's cheating or, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: can you believe going, like really? Even in 2012, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: maybe there wasn't OnlyFans, but there certainly was online porn.
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  Speaker 2: Like you're still going to like a brick and mortar
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  Speaker 2: porn shop. Anyway, very strange. Um, and, uh, I just,
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  Speaker 2: so tonight I am, um, you guys have watched by
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  Speaker 2: now you will have watched real houses of Beverly Hills.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all up on it, but I thought this article
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  Speaker 2: was kind of interesting that Lisa Renna commented on a,
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  Speaker 2: on people talking about like on a podcast that they
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  Speaker 2: really thought that there wasn't enough time given to grief
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  Speaker 2: and more time given to the fact that Crystal used
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  Speaker 2: the word dark saying Sutton said something dark. That got three-episoded.
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  Speaker 2: And so Lisa Renna then commented and was like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm disgusted that Bravo only gave one episode dedication to
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  Speaker 2: my mother, Lois. I just want to say, Lisa Renna,
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  Speaker 2: I love you. I love you on the show. I
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  Speaker 2: love your Lisa Renna beauty. I'm wearing that lipstick right now.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people ask me. It's from Lisa Renna.
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  Speaker 2: But I just... I know you have to comment on everything,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't agree. Okay. A lot of people's parents
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  Speaker 2: in the franchise have passed and your mom was beloved
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  Speaker 2: and she was great. Um, but I, I, I think
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  Speaker 2: they did a great job. I think we're covering it.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes, you know, it, that, that's it. We, they
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  Speaker 2: dedicated it. We got to see it. We got to
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  Speaker 2: see you go through it. You got to talk about it. Um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm, that's my opinion. I think, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's being, I think you're stretching a little girl, but
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  Speaker 2: whatever it got me talking about you. So you probably
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  Speaker 2: did the right thing by commenting. Um, oh, speaking of which,
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  Speaker 2: one more juicy tidbit of the housewives news. So Tamara
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  Speaker 2: and Vicky were on, uh, watch what happens live and
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  Speaker 2: they still have yet to announce Tamara's return. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: guessing they're going to announce Tamara's return with maybe another
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  Speaker 2: OG at the same time. Um, but she and Vicky
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  Speaker 2: both looked great and they had a good time. And
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  Speaker 2: then at the end he goes, what's your thorn? What's
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  Speaker 2: your rose about the ultimate girls trip at Dorinda's? They
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  Speaker 2: both said, oh, we had fun with the roses, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And Tamara said, my thorn is when Jill Zarin tried
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  Speaker 2: to sell our likeness or my likeness on her website.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what? Does she have like shirts
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  Speaker 2: with Tamara's face on it? So I called the source.
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  Speaker 2: I asked Allie, what was this about? And she told me.
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  Speaker 2: If you watch the show, a lot of them are
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  Speaker 2: giving each other gifts. And one of the gifts that
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  Speaker 2: Jill gave everybody were these great sweatshirts. I have one.
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  Speaker 2: They're excellent quality. They're like $ 50. They're really thick. And
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  Speaker 2: they're black. And each one, she got the girl's quote
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  Speaker 2: on it. So I think Tamra's was like, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of housewives, but no one hotter. Something like that.
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  Speaker 2: And then it says Team Tamra on the back. I
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  Speaker 2: think you see Brandy wearing one one morning. Team Brandy. Well,
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  Speaker 2: in order to make those, the minimum amount that you
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  Speaker 2: could make was 12. So she gave each girl one
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  Speaker 2: and then she had 11 of each. And so they
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  Speaker 2: put it on the website to sell the 11 off
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  Speaker 2: and give the money to charity. And the girls didn't
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  Speaker 2: like that. So they took it all down. So there
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  Speaker 2: is a box at Jill Zarin's house of the Team Tamers,
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  Speaker 2: the Team Evas, all that stuff with their cute quote
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  Speaker 2: on it. So I don't know what they're going to do,
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  Speaker 2: but I just wanted to clear that up. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to be at their BravoCon weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to, I have a live show. Tickets are
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  Speaker 2: selling great. There's only one show. So once it's sold out,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. And Carlos King is joining me and it's
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  Speaker 2: October 15th. Go to heathermcdonald.net. But let me see. Maybe that,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we'll get this. Maybe they can come and sell
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  Speaker 2: their sweatshirts. Maybe they'll give me permission to throw them
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  Speaker 2: out to the hottest fans. I don't know, but I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to Just explain that. I really hope all these
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  Speaker 2: housewives can get together because I freaking love them all
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  Speaker 2: and I'm having a great time watching it. So here
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  Speaker 2: code juicy. Hello and welcome to juicy scoop. Um, I
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  Speaker 2: think this is going to be extremely juicy. I'm so
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  Speaker 2: excited with Thomas Kelly, producer of real housewives of OC,
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  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills, Dallas, numerous other.
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  Speaker 1: Shows, Potomac too.
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  Speaker 2: Potomac too. We, I thank you so much for coming.
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  Speaker 1: To thank you for having me. I'm super excited for
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  Speaker 1: the summer. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I mean, let's just start with OC because we're
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  Speaker 2: in OC. And your name has popped up recently because
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  Speaker 2: you are no longer, you're not going to be doing
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  Speaker 2: the next season of OC.
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  Speaker 1: Officially, no. Not coming back after three seasons as the EP. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And so with that, we'll get into that, then I
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  Speaker 2: want to get back to you. But let's just get
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  Speaker 2: to the hot stuff. Okay. So there's been rumors swirling
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  Speaker 2: and there's been other shows that have talked about the
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  Speaker 2: fact that A big storyline last season was that Noelle, that,
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  Speaker 2: what was her name? Nicole. Nicole came on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Nicole James.
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  Speaker 2: Nicole James. And it gets revealed that she had gotten
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  Speaker 2: a boob job that apparently she wasn't happy with by Dr. Dubrow.
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  Speaker 2: And there was some type of lawsuit. And that's, everyone's
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  Speaker 2: rumbling about it as she's the new cast member. They
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  Speaker 2: go to Heather Dubrow's house for a beautiful Nobu sushi dinner.
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  Speaker 2: And Emily brings it up. And it obviously, what I believe,
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  Speaker 2: people wondered, how did they not know? Well, if it
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  Speaker 2: was 10 years ago and lawsuits are kind of part
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  Speaker 2: of any plastic surgeon's business, you know, something they have
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  Speaker 2: to deal with malpractice, I believe her reaction was she
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  Speaker 2: was friendly with Nicole but had no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that. No, I think, look, that's what's
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  Speaker 1: so juicy about this story is that, you know, You
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  Speaker 1: start following these things on these shows.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And people start talking on camera. And our job as
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  Speaker 1: producers is to follow it, to track it. And so
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  Speaker 1: when this came out and was brought to Heather's attention,
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  Speaker 1: of course she was mad. Of course she was freaked out.
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  Speaker 1: Of course she was confused. Did I know who this
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  Speaker 1: woman was? Don't forget, she told Shannon on a call,
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  Speaker 1: that's the wrong Nicole. Because she had a different name
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  Speaker 1: back then. And Shannon was insisting, no, this is the
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  Speaker 1: same woman. I'm concerned. That's what makes this so nuanced
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  Speaker 1: and so intriguing, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, we don't know who this woman's identity is.
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  Speaker 1: Shannon's like, she looked like Pamela Anderson back then with
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  Speaker 1: the big boobs and the blonde hair and this and that.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be the same woman. And Heather shot it
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  Speaker 1: down with conviction. This is not the same woman. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so intriguing, right? And then it comes out and literally
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  Speaker 1: all of us, no one knew. I was on the
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  Speaker 1: edge of my seat because Heather... you know, we have
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  Speaker 1: conversations and Heather's been open about this. She thought that
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  Speaker 1: production knew and was setting her up. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: a natural instinct for a cast member to feel that way.
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  Speaker 1: Cause we know whenever things don't go well for someone,
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  Speaker 1: they point to production. They want to blame them, right?
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  Speaker 1: She's been open about having those feelings. We've insisted, no,
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  Speaker 1: this is our job is to follow these stories, let
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  Speaker 1: them unfold. And you guys discover it for yourselves on camera.
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  Speaker 1: So she was surprised. Yes, of course.
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  Speaker 2: But when you guys hired Nicole to be on the show,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know if you can answer this or not,
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  Speaker 2: were you aware that she had a history with Dr. Dubrow? No. No.
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  Speaker 1: And there are certain background checks that cast members go through,
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  Speaker 1: especially the new ones. But some of these things don't
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  Speaker 1: come through.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but a lawsuit from 12 years ago that was
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: settled out of court wouldn't be something that would pop up,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I would assume.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Most likely not. So we were blindsided just as much
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: as everybody else. And our job is to follow it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: So you guys see that this is coming up, that
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Shannon's telling Emily and Gina about it and everything, and
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you go into the sushi party. And so she feels blindsided.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: We see the anger. We see Terry in his leather
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: jacket and just getting pissed. Now, from that is when
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Noella says... and which Noella had an issue with Heather,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: she says that it got more than what we saw
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: at home. That like, you know, she pushed someone or
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: touched someone. She has claimed she never has. I mean,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much you can share about those rumors.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: You know, Tamara was asked about it on Jeff Lewis's.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Kelly Dodd called in and claimed, yes, it's true.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Yep, there's a lot of speculation and a lot of talk.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: which I always think is, is intriguing. You know, unfortunately
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: my name's gotten thrown around a little bit, but there
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: is a lot of, there's a lot that we can't
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: say because we sign NDAs with these shows and it's
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: important that we keep that safe and, and, um, and
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: honor those NDAs. Um, but I can tell you that, um,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you know, Noella has made her claims. She's also been
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: called out for being a liar. We saw Heather being angry.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And she's admitted it. She saw red. She was angry.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: You know, if you agree with her or not, that's
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: up to you. But she was mad. And, you know,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: no one's really going to know exactly what happened.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: But so then I go upstairs and the people continue
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: with the sushi. And is that when she and Terry
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: figure out who she is? And in fact, it was... settled?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happened. Correct. That's a good point. Well,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times if cast members are
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: having a moment on camera They're producers. That's what we're
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: there for. You know, they want to ask us questions.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: They're upset. Yes, Heather was, she was baffled. Okay, so
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Gina felt obligated to break the news to Heather, right?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: That night, like that Shannon was making these accusations, blah, blah, blah,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: or making these assertions about Nicole James. And Gina wanted
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to clear the air. She felt the need to do that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: So when Heather heard that information, her head was spinning.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You know, she walks off camera. We saw that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And yeah, she was questioning like, what's going on? What
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: is this about? Our job as producers is to, you know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: make sure everyone feels safe and comfortable in the environment
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: they're in to have these discussions. So her job and
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: everyone else's job on the cast is to find out
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: on camera exactly what's going on. And when that's an
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable moment, it's hard sometimes. And your instinct as a
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: cast member sometimes is to walk off. You get mad.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: You try to figure it out. You don't want to
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: move forward. But ultimately, at the end of the day,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: you have to come back and you have to face it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And she and Terry did. Because Heather, I really, as
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: far as what I was witnessing, and we all saw
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: it on the show, she was blindsided by this. Like
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you said, it was like this happened so many years ago. Maybe,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you know, and doctors get sued all the time. So
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: it's like, was this just one of those things that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: someone took care of and the information never got to
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: them and they didn't know? So I think the really
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: interesting thing that happened was Heather's instinct and Terry's instinct
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: was to think that we knew and that we were
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: setting them up. That is not true. That is not true.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: And I understand that reaction. And that night, I kept
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: saying to them, I understand why you're frustrated. I would
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: be too if I brought my friend onto a show
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: or invited them. And then all of a sudden, I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: found out that they had sued my partner. Of course,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you're going to be frustrated. Reward the easy way.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Optionscard.ie.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: filed against me.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: what would you do if it was given back?
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I need a home dad. What happens next?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: When I came in, he started crying.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: happens next.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: every day was.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: You're worth the work.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches. You can
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: use your voice even if it shakes.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: We didn't have anything to do with that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like the classic thing that I've gone through
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: my head a million times and not until I interviewed
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Carlos King who worked on Real Housewives of New Jersey.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And Atlanta for many years. Yeah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: When did Teresa find out that they hired her sister-in-law?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: And like, where was she blindsided? Did she feel tricked?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: And he kind of cleared it up too, where it's like,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: it's not, you know, this mystery that you think, but
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: there's still this underlying, like, you know, they, they're frenemies.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Or whatever you want to call it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: But like, with, with that, um, it's interesting because then
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: when they had that, that like mafioso moment with two ponytails.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Heather and Shannon.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: If you ever come from it, I was like, okay,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: you're right exactly what you said. You get hired to
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: do this show. And part of it is reveal everything
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: about your life, but also be a team player and
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: don't go out to dinner by yourselves to have a
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: juicy confrontation. Make sure that we're there.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: And I actually remember hanging out after the Breaking of
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the Ground party. which we were invited to Heather invited
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: our family and we came and we stayed here. And
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: my son was like little her, all of our kids
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: were little. So it was super fun in part day.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: And we go over to Shannon's after and Megan King
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and Vincent's there. And I, I think she had just been, Oh.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: No, she was just there. She was there. She was just.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: There as like a, just a girl like hanging out.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And Brooks was there who is new to dating. Amazing.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: And we're just like all hanging out. And, um, And
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I remember, Shannon, we all went out to Mastro's that night.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, it's either Mastro's, Javier's, or
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: The Quiet Woman.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: And I want to say that one of them, it
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: was Vicky or Sony saying that they were getting a
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: text from the producer saying that they were pissed that
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: we were all, not me, but they were all going out.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And really, nothing juicy happened that night.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But it could have.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: But it could have happened. And it was like, how
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: dare you? And that was my first clue to be like, oh, yeah,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: you're right. You're filming a documentary. You wouldn't be doing
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: this if you're following a murder trial and the convict
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: is the subject of it or the accuser is the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: subject of it. If you're doing the staircase, you wouldn't
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: want Michael Pearson going to meet his attorney without you
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: or whatever. So I'm like, oh, okay, I get that.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: We're up against that all the time, Heather, all the time.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: You see it on social media. You see them out
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: doing stuff, and we're like, what are you doing? Save
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it for camera. There is a fine line between– but
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: these women, you want them to have authentic relationships. You
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: want them to really be rooted in a realistic rapport.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So you want them to hang out and get to
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: know each other, but you don't want all those juicy
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: bits to happen off camera– when they're together. So it's a,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: it's a balance, right?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: You feel like they're in this reality world of, of
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: especially housewives. There are these little like alliances that happen
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: when they're off and off break. And they're like, listen,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: if anything happens, if you find out my husband's cheating,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: if you did it, you gotta promise me that you're
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: going to like, say, meet me at Ladero ranch gate
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: for a walk.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: With no cameras, because I'm not talking about this on camera.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: That's why I feel like sometimes when we watch something happen,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: explode between these women, it's so bad because I feel
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: like they had some secret alliance before, but then when
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: the person was put in it, they were like, you
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: know what? It's my job to do this on camera,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: and I want to keep my job, and I'm just
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: going to say it at this cocktail party.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Perfect example. Example is this past season of Orange County
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: when Shannon and Gina and Emily go out to Javier's,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: one of the three spots in Newport that people go to,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: after we shot at The Deck. A wonderful moment. I
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: loved seeing those three just have so much fun and bond.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: The Deck was the restaurant. The restaurant. Yeah, on the beach.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And they were talking about Nicole James. And they had
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: such a great conversation. There was a lot more to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that conversation that we don't have time to show on
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: the show. But they were laughing and whooping it up
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: in Vicki Gunvalson's terminology. So afterwards, they're like, I don't
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: want to stop. Let's keep going. And I was like, no.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: That's one of those moments. It's like, no, go home.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Because I don't want you guys going and doing stuff
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: off camera. But they go. Anyway, they have to live
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: their lives. I get it. So it was so frustrating.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, so they go and the cameras weren't there.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: They did. They went to Javier's without cameras.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Because you couldn't just continue because there's hours and you
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: didn't clear it and everything.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Correct. Yeah.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: We didn't have permission. We had another schedule. We have
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: another shoot to go to.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: You know, we have three months to shoot this entire season. Right.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: So we could do it for a year. They used
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to do Atlanta for like six, nine months or something.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Back in the day. But anyway, so they go to Javier's.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: They continue to drink. Their drinks are being poured. They're
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: having a good old time. And Shannon says, this is
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: what we see on the show. Shannon says, I just
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: can't believe it. This is Nicole James. It's got to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: be her. It's got to be her. Pinky promise. They
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: did a pinky promise. This is what you're talking about.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: There's the alliance.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Because Shannon felt really close to them. And this is
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: what we love about Shannon, right?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: She's wide open.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: And so- she says to them what she learns and has,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: has learned about Nicole. She knew the juicy scoop.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: And so they made a pinky promise and then off
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: they go. Right. And then Gina, the next day she
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: wakes up, she's clear minded. She's no longer, you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: under the airs. Yeah. With four margaritas in her or
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: more or whatever. And so she's like, can I curse? No. Yeah.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: She's like, what the fuck?
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I have this information and now I have to like
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: hold it. And then she meets Heather at, We're at,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: we're at Mastro's. I think one of the three places.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And she's sitting there with Heather and she's like, are
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you going to tell her? She's like, what? And then
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Shannon's thinking to herself, oh fuck, you know, I had
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: too much to drink. I'm doing the pinky promise, the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: pinky promise. And that was broken. So that's a perfect
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: example of how that stuff off camera can get really
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: messy for you.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: And then in Gina's defense.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: But really, good for the show.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: And in Gina's defense, she's probably like, I, you know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this lawsuit is, but I don't
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: want it blown up on camera that could hurt him more.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: So it's like, I understand. It's just like.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And jeopardize her new relationship with Heather DeBruyne.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Which is what was really important to her.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: And getting those warm towels.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And getting those warm towels.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Being able to cozy up in that bathroom.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Who doesn't want that? Certainly Gina does. And there's like
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: little nice little leather jackets and the outfits that Heather,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: you know, provides for her.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: She looks great, right? Gina looks amazing.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, Gina looks great. Yeah, yeah. And then, so anyway, okay,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: so thanks for explaining that, but you are no longer
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: with the show.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not with the show anymore.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: No. And that is because they said goodbye to you.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: They, yeah, it's so interesting, right?
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: They put you on pause.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: It was drawn out. I was on pause, yeah. I've
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: been put on hold, right? It wasn't a block, but
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: on hold. And, you know, Bravo has this philosophy, agree
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: with it or not, that sometimes relationships need to be
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: refreshed on the cast, within the producing world, all of that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I don't entirely disagree. I actually think that I'm the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: best person for this group of women because of the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: history I have. And because I know how to push
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: them out of their comfort zone to deliver something that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: otherwise they might not be feeling comfortable to deliver with
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: somebody else.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: That's my personal philosophy. That's what I'm good at. That's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: what I've been good at. That's why I've been so
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: successful on these shows over the years. But I think
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: there's so much talk about orange County and where it's going.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And there's been so many, um, some might say misfires
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and casting or whatnot. Um, But whatever it is, it's
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of pressure on the show to
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: succeed and to continue on and to maybe re-find its
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: original image. Because this is the thing, right? You always
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: want to reinvent these shows. You always want something fresh.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: You want to move it forward. But sometimes when you
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: do or you're going in a different direction, it might
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: not be exactly what everybody's really wanting. So it's an
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: experiment of sorts, but it's a very expensive one. And
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I understand that Bravo has to make certain choices. And
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: so moving away from me to be the showrunner on this,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: It's their decision. I have made a huge career out
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: of Bravo. I'm appreciative. I love it. I've loved working
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: with them. But now I'm also finding new paths for
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: myself too in my career. So I'm currently on hold.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I'm currently part of the Ex-Housewives Club until they asked
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: me to come back and do one of the other shows.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I've done, I don't know, four franchises so far.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that the success of the Ex-Housewives Club
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: at Dorinda's house... People loving that, which is just only
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: on Peacock. I'm sure they'll replay it on Bravo later,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: but it's on Peacock. And I think people loving that
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: is adding to the rumors that OC is bringing back.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I've heard everything from... Tamara seems to be the strongest
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: one that people believe is coming back.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a buzz about that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: But I've heard also Alexis Bellino, and I've heard Vicky,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: of course, and Gretchen.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: And, um, and I don't know if that would leave
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Gina and Emily coming back. We do know that Jen
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: and Noella left and Noella. Yeah.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: What do you think about that?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I I'm okay with Noella leaving because I just don't
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: think she formed any like real friendships because of the
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: sweet James.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Um, which she had limitations and the access of her life.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, she has a whole daughter with somebody
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: else that we couldn't talk about because that dad didn't
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: allow it. And then this son can't be allowed. So
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: we just get her mom on a lounge chair and
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: like a dog. It's just like, what about a friend of.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Who would she know?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Who is she friends with though?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Shannon.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: But I don't really believe just playing devil's advocate. I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: hear you though. And I don't really think that's, I.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Don't think that's, I don't think Sharon's, you know, Sharon
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: can be nice to people and stuff. But who Shannon's
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: really gelling with and laughing with are women that are
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: a little more from her background.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily her age.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: You need a natural chemistry.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I get along with Shannon. We both went to USC.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: We both are like that. We're both moms.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It's easy.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: We're close in age. There's just something that works. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I think when you try to all of a sudden
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: mix these casts, you have to go back to the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: old ways and go, it was about a group of
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: women that were supposed to be friends, right? Now you're
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: individually casting people because you need to have this, you know,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: particular demographic and this particular ethnicity. And I think that's
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: where some of these had some less popular seasons.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. And you're touching on something so important,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: which is casting.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: And I think my experience out of all the shows,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I will say Orange County is the toughest one to cast.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Because look, Every other franchise has a giant city, a
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: giant group of pool of women to choose from and
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: to seek out. Orange County is a small community. We
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: don't have the pool of people to choose from, right?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: So you're hitting on something really interesting. So they're trying
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: to bring in interesting people and have them gel. But
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't connect and the chemistry is not there,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: it's not going to work. You're right. Because the formula
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: is a group of women who are authentically invested in
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: one another. And some of them who have been successfully
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: invested in one another have worked at it. while they're
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: on the show to get a deeper understanding of one another.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: And if, if that works great, then it's worked. But
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: if not, then you're right. I agree with you on that.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I think that that's, it's time to move on. That's
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: why people are feeling nostalgic for old Orange County, which
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: is why there's rumors or buzzes around the cameras and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Alexis's and the Vicky's.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: How many times I've received, you know, messages like bring
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Vicky and Tamara back.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, they are great on, they, they, they are
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: great on, um, I call it the Dorinda show, but
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: they are because like the way they're talking, like, like
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: just Vicki is, I'm remembering how like weird and funny
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Vicki is, you know, where she's like, if I died today,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I don't hope that you would tell everybody that I
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: was sad. And they're like, what? That was on the
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: episode last night. And she's just like odd, but in
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: the best way.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Cause you want to talk, you want to talk about
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: her and you want to engage her. Cause she's funny.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: She's quirky. She's unpredictable.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Right. Um, But also with OC, there's such incredible wealth
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: here too. And I think because the show's been on
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: so long, our latest housewife has pled guilty. She's looking
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: at 14 years. I do think people, whether the husband
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: is saying no way- Oh my gosh, all the time.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Or they're smart enough to say... So then the audience
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: at home sitting in their average home in the middle
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: of America are like, Did you see her countertop? She's
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: not rich enough to be on the show. And it's like, well,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: what do you want? Like they can't get the super
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: rich because the super rich are not.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: You're hitting something really important, which is we always run
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: into is the roadblock is the partner. Because when you
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: get on the show as a housewife, you are allowing
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: access to your whole family. That means your partner, your husband.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: That means your children. And you said it, Noella, we
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: didn't really have access to her. And, you know, I've
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: had conversations with her. I'm like, look, you held an orange.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: And we didn't really even have that much access to
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: your personal life. Like, that's an accomplishment. And she knows
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: that this was a victory for her. And she's looking
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: into other things, options as she moves forward.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Seeking arrangements, right?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, seeking arrangements. She's working... Yeah, she's... Yeah. I mean,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: she's gonna... Hey.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Selling vibrators. What do you gotta do? What do you
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: gotta do?
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And she loves that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: So, good for her. Not so good for the rest
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of the cast, right?
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: But... But, you know, like, I'm so... You know, I'm like...
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I call myself the housewife consultant. I don't... I think...
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: One day I hope that like USC asked me to
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: like do one of those special classes, you know, how
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: they're doing like selling the Kardashians. I could absolutely do it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: And it's, I'm putting it out there in the universe.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Cause that would be a fun.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Great. Well, all these conversations you have with people that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: have been in the industry, you have the information, you
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: got the tea.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: I love it. Anyway. Um, so I, I felt my
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: teenage voice, 19 to 16. And I filmed the, there
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: was a challenge where you asked them like, what's a
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: floppy disk and see how much they know. So I
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: filmed them on TikTok. They've allowed me to start. I
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: never used to put them on there when they were little,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: which I should have exploited them then. But I thought
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: that wasn't right when I was at Chelsea lately.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, you had ethics back then.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Now I'm like, okay. So I filmed them and Annie
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: put this thing together. And I thought it was freaking
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: hilarious because at one point my older son is like,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I'm so sick of these stupid TikToks. Now I don't
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: know what a rotary phone is because I wasn't born
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: in 1970. And he says this. And I think it's hilarious,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: you know, but I start to see a couple of
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: comments and some of them were like, he's so disrespectful.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: He's this. So I told Annie, I go, can you
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: take it down until I talk to Drake? Because I
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: don't want Drake to see the comments and then be like, mom,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I don't want you to do this anymore.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And I learned that from the housewives because I see
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: that like the one I always talk about is that, um,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Megan King, Edmund's stepdaughter was rude to her mother. Yes.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Who later passed of cancer.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: It was prom night. Girls can be bitchy about photos.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: It was stressful. Not only is it prom night with
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: people taking photos, you've got the Orange County housewife's camera there.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Added stress.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: You're so right.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: And I asked her about.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: That, Megan, and she said it was very hard for
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: her later to see that and to get the comments
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: and everything. Because I'm like, kids are bad. So anyway,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I told Drake, he goes, I don't give a shit.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Post it. Good.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Good.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: But then I did write in the caption, I did say,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: so you guys know. These boys were raised by a
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: raunchy female standup comic. I am fine with it. I
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: think it's fricking hilarious. This is our dynamic at our
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: home may not be yours, but they are not in
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: any way disrespectful to me in my opinion. Like, but
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: that's what you get when you put something out, you're going.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: To get, they can't judge your relationship. with your own child,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: but they can not feel like that would be something
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: that they would like for themselves. That's separate.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I also have to accept those comments because
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I'm putting it out there. I'm enjoying when a million people.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: You're starting a conversation. Isn't comedy supposed to be, you know, controversial.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: But I do think about that. Cause I also think
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: about the other thing that I bring up all the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: time was, um, When Gina Kino showed up at her
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: son's baseball game with Vicky and he was like, I'm
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: going to throw this bat at you or something. And
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: as someone at home, I think my boys were like
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: seven at the time. And it like, at one point
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I will not be Gina Kino. Like, and
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, this kid didn't know
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: they were showing up. Probably the stress of being like
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: 19 playing on like whatever junior league, minor league, whatever
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Yep. And teenagers say that, but we don't see it
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and we don't see it on TV.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: And we don't see it, you know, out of context.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: And that's where I'm always like, ooh, you know, when
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: you talk about the partner, including the partner and why
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: that's such a hurdle or not. It's huge. And why
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the marriages break up. And I've gone on nauseam about why. Like,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, I always say it's three things.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Either the wife's not happy with the husband and she
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: wants him to see, she wants the world to see
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: that he's mean.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Or she wants him to see that he's mean and
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: then hope that it'll be nice.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: But 99% of it is he's mean. The world sees it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And he's not going to change.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: And also all of a sudden, this guy who has
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: walked around the earth as a good looking, successful white man,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: never had any trouble, is now getting all this comments
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: of like, you have a receding chin.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: You are a mean to your wife when she asked
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: you for coffee. Like, and then they come home and
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: they fight with their wife and then it was already
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: a cracked foundation.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: This was a catalyst. I think some people do. I
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: think they sign up knowing that, Hey, this is now
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: my platform.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: You have been sort of the driving force for so long,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: but now this is my time.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And that creates a whole other level of tension on
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: top of everything that you just listed. And it's hard
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: because these cameras, your life is under a magnifying glass
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and we're going to look for them. And a good
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: example is you were talking about making King Edmonds. Uh,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Edmonds was delightful to work with.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't know it, what you saw on camera. Very
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: interesting because he would be like, Hey guys, we're like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: what lens are you losing? What's that camera on this night?
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: He was so cool. So nice. And we got him
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: there and then the cameras would go on and they've
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: talked about this openly. Um, he had a certain hesitation
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and it, it, it translated in a very weird way
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: and it affected their relationship, I think.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: But, you know, she also told me when they were
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: still together and she, maybe she was on my show
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: before they were, they broke up and she said, well,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: part of it was we'd already talked about the Puerto Rico, whatever,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Puerto Vallarta vacation. But then I was like, okay. I'm
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: going to bring this up again and ask you about
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: this again. So he was just like not an actor
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: and like annoyed, you know? So yeah.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Often annoyed.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Which is why do you also tell them, Hey, when
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: you come back from Mexico, don't talk to PK about
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: it until we come on Monday with the cameras so
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: that it's fresh. Yeah.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: But then sometimes if you do that too, if you
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: prepare them too much or tip them off, then you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: it might, you might not get the authentic reaction that
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you want. It's very, you have to be very, um,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: careful in how you interact with, with your cast because
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: you want it to be the most authentic reaction and
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: you want that.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: You want to save and you constantly are messaging and reminding,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: please save your conversations. Sometimes the tough ones, people don't
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: want to have on camera because it's tough.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: And it's uncomfortable and they don't know what the consequences are.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: But you know, our job as producers is to get
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: them there and encourage them to do it. It's like, look, you've,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: you've signed up for this, the tough, the good and
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the bad. you have to open up because, you know, look,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: you're doing great and we're showing, we can't just run
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: around town seeing you live your fabulous lifestyle. That's not enough.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: You've got to let us in and show the cracks
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: because then when people watch these shows and they're rich
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: and glamorous and beautiful and they have the lifestyle and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: then they fuck up and they trip and you want
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to see them dust themselves off and get back up.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: That's what's relatable because they're like, oh my God, they're
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: not as perfect as anybody else. They're just like me.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: And you have to show that. And it's like, I think,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: one of the challenges with some people on these shows
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: is they don't want that. They want the platform. They
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: want to just show their lifestyle and that's it. You know,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: you know, like there's cigarette, you know, after and, you know,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: fill their glass up, but you've got to let people in.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Viewers are too smart. They can smell the bullshit. You've
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: got to open up. You've got to let them see
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the cracks in your facade and see inside there. You
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: have to be vulnerable. If you're not, then this may
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: be not the right place for you.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: And I've, um, I've often like referred to as like
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: the housewives are the female version of football and this
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: is the all-stars and they're getting traded and this and that.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Do you kind of feel like, I just realized this,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: like you're like a coach.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yes. A hundred percent.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: You're a little bit of coach of encouraging them. And then,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: but are you also a coach in the sense that
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: you're telling more than one player, you're the reason this
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: team is in the all-stars?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Some of them know. That you're coaching the others and
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: some of them don't and that's okay. But they know
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: that my job as the executive producer is to keep
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: the whole team, to use the metaphor, the analogy, and
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: keep it moving. It's a ship, right? And I have
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: to keep it going. And I think honesty is the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: best ingredient for someone in my position. You can't tell
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: everyone everything, but you can tell them, look, you know
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you everything, but I can tell you this.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: And if you don't get your opinion out or your
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: thoughts out right now, there could be consequences for that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: You give them a heads up. And if it's the
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: right thing, like I would never encourage someone to do
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: something that they're not comfortable with or they don't feel
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: good about, right? Like I will give them suggestions, but
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: they have to own it once I give it to you.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: And they know that. Every producer has a different approach,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: but I think the right approach is you say, listen,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what, Heather, I think this
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: is what you need to do right now because you're
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: not seeing it clearly. This, this, and this is happening
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: around you. And you have to make a decision right now.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: If you don't agree with me, that's fine. So what's your,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: you know, do you have a solution? Because I'm all ears.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: And then we, there's a negotiation that happens. And then
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: we come up with a solution. Hopefully, it doesn't work
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: all the time, you know, because they're on the show
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: for a reason. And if they're stubborn, if they don't
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: want to listen to you, then that's part of their,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: that's their jam. That's their deal.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: The music video at the end of this season.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Was that your idea? To have a music video. A
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: lot of people thought that was a moment.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: We'll go back with the band. It was the band.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a band. Oh, it was a band.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: It was a band. But it was shot like a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: music video. That was what we did in the edit bay.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: They did a band at the party and they came
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: up with a song that, what's his name, wrote or
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: his wife, Daisy Fuentes wrote it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Richard Marks.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I thought it was so cheesy, but a lot of
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: my fans were like, a lot of my listeners were
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: saying like, I can't get the song out of my head.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's what we wanted.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a weird, quirky, like, did it
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: jump the shark? But I couldn't take my eyes off
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: of it. Good.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I thought it was cheesy and corny,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: but we loved it and we didn't want to shy
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: away from that.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, it was also the perfect
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: opportunity to bring some of these, you know, segregated group,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: this group, this divided group together because you want to
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: see that. You do want to see that. It was
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: getting a little ugly sometimes. and dark in ways I think,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: and people were feeling it and this felt like the
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: right solution. And the women came up with it. This
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: was not my idea. This was not a producer idea.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: This was Shannon coming up, just like you saw on
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: the show, coming up with the idea to have a
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: rack and roll, not rock and roll, rack and roll.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Cause she cooks ribs. And, and then she turned to
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Heather last minute and was like, can you help me
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: with this? And Heather pulled it off that, you know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: they collaborated in a meaningful way.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Heather can sing.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: So good.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: She sang at Tamara's wedding, which I went to Tamara's wedding.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Um, she sang at the angels to the national anthem.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: She was incredible. I'm like, can you please sing on
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the show?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: She's a good singer. So that was good.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Now we're going to, so I wanted to do, can
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I just say real quick, I wanted to do a
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: music video with them. We didn't have the budget. We
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: didn't have the time or anything like that, but I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: told them in my, my idea was, um, and I,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: hopefully I still get to do it, but how fun
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: would it be to see them? just in their kitchens
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: at home being housewives. And then when the chorus hits,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: they come out the door and they rip off whatever
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: housewife clothing they're wearing and they're like alter ego, right?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: They're like in black leather. They're in the characters that
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: we saw kind of at the end. And then they
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: all come together on the beach, classic Orange County moment
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: when they're just, all I want is you, all I
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: want is you. Be beautiful, be easy to do. I'm
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: still available to shoot that music video for you.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so... So is, um, so did that incident
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: with Heather have, do you think have anything to do
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: with you, um, being asked to take a pause?
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I, I would like to think
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: that no cast member wields that kind of power to
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: hire or fire producers. That's Bravo's decision. That's the production
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: company's decision and they collaborate.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Um, I do think other people would combat that with,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: by saying people that like me, they've been fans. There's
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: certain housewives that just like, just like movie stars in
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: traditional TV have more power than others.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I think some are more influential.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Vanderpump, Bethany, and maybe even Heather.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, I would agree with that. I think there,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: but I think it's fair.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I think if you have multiple shows or, you know,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: that type of thing, you're going to candy, you're going
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: to have a little more say as you would like,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: everyone always asks like, why did I get this? I'm like, well,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: or why did this person get paid more?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a hierarchy. Yeah.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: And in movies too, like, Did you have the best agent?
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Do you have a history of more movies on the
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: back end? You are going to make more than your
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: female counterpart. Like it's not, you're not all working at
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: a factory making chocolates. Like it's not the same thing.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: It's true.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: So.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: And I will say this. Heather is amazing. She's very, she's, she's,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: she's admitted that she's very controlling. She said that. And
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I told her, then let us see more of that.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: That gives a vulnerability, right? And I think that I
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: fought really hard to tell her personal story. And I
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: think we had some really beautiful moments with her family.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: And I would like to think that she respects that
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: and appreciates that. And she's told me that. But I
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: also know that she's very particular. And, you know, I
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: would hate to think that she was not, you know,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: happy with the... the blood, sweat, and tears that I
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: put into this franchise for many, many years, and many
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: years when she wasn't around. And it mattered a lot
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: to me. And it's hard to step away from something.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: This has been my life. I've bought a house from
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the money I've made from working on this show, and
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I've built a career. I'm here talking to you because
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: of my resume. So it matters to me. And it
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: would really hurt me to think that she disliked me
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: so much that she wanted me gone. And maybe that was, uh,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: she was using that as leverage to whether she would
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: come back to the show or not. That is a
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: very cynical take on the things, but I know that's
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: been out there, put out there. I would like to
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: think that that's not true because Heather is, she is
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: a really lovely person and she's very talented. Um, I
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: would like to see her open more, open up more
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: on the show and be vulnerable and, Um, and I think,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I really do think we accomplished a lot this season
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and I think, you know, next season you're going to see,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: you're going to see more of her. And I'd like
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: to think that I was a big part of that.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, a lot of, a lot of moms are,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of women are that controlling person. A lot
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: of people are laissez faire. It doesn't like be both,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: you know, or you, I mean, you can't really be both.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: There's people that are successful being both.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: You know, and they're high anxiety. There's a lot of
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: highly successful people who are highly anxiety. They're controlling. I'm
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: not saying this about Heather, but some of them fight
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: depression and they hold it together beautifully because they're driven.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I think she is a very driven, ambitious person and
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: she wants things perfect. I don't blame her. This is
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: a very messy forum. You have to be willing to
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: get messy. You have to be willing to reveal yourself,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: like I was saying earlier, and be vulnerable. That's what
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: people want to see. Let it go.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the other juiciest thing that happened during
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: your time, Brooke's cancer, the fake cancer.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Season 10.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: What, what, what were you guys thinking about when it,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: people started to suspect because we, in the beginning, we
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: saw that Shannon was amazing. It's a very Shannon. Is
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: that also that type of woman? This is also a
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Jill Zarin that knows doctors that will get you in
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: the school that, you know, like I'm friends with both
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: of them and they are like that. And so like,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I can totally see that Shannon right away was like,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: I know someone at Hogue or whatever.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: And a hundred percent. And then was like, she knows
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: someone everywhere, by the way. Yeah. Well, yeah.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Someone like her would, you know, and, and be that
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: helpful person. And so when this started to come about,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, was it really Megan who cracked the case?
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I think she started it for sure. And she was
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: the one willing to say something and she did it
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: on camera because she was, that's who she was.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: And what did you guys feel about when the casserole
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: thing came about that? It was like, We still don't know.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: What is your opinion? There's three pools, three things of thought.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Vicky knew from the start and was like, nobody likes you, Brooks.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: We're going to do this thing together. I don't think
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: that's the case. The other one was completely blindsided with
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: the rest, you know, with everybody else. I think it's
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: in the middle where I think she started to suspect
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: and wonder. Maybe she never had a straight out conversation
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: But she knew it wasn't true. And now it's too far.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably fair.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: It's too far in doing it, you know? And now like,
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: oh fuck. So now I'm going to push it a
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: little further and be like, I'm being nailed to the cross.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Why are you guys telling, you know, why won't you
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: just be on my side? I expected a casserole. I
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: didn't expect an interrogation, you know? But then, because I
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: don't think she thought about the implication of lying about
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: cancer and what that means to everybody on this earth
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: that either had cancer or Or knew someone who, and
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: everybody knows someone who had cancer. Everybody on this earth
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: knows someone who has suffered with cancer. So it was like,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: how do you lie about it? And since that, there's
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: been so many other stories and stuff about people doing
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: the Munchausens and lying about it and getting attention. And
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: here you're on a show.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Where- With Yolanda Hadid on Beverly Hills.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: And people come after me for that, but I questioned
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: that one too.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people did.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: And I still kind of do, but whatever, come after me.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: But it's like, you know, you get all these people
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: and they aren't Ethel and Lucy's. They all see themselves
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: as Lucy's. They all see themselves as, you know, type,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm the star.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: The one in control.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: And they want the attention.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: They all say, oh, you're thirsty. You're all thirsty.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's why you're here.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I said every normal housewife that's not on TV that
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: has more than 300 Instagram followers is thirsty.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Andy said it to Heather at the reunion. She's like,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: you called me a narcissist. He's like, well, yeah, we're
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: all narcissists. That's why we're on the couch here. That's
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the thing. Be self-aware.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Not everyone's a narcissist, but do you want attention and fame?
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Do you like the attention?
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you're a bad person.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: No.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: This whole thirsty.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: It's part of our business.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: So when that was going down, like just talk to
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: me a little bit.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, it was phenomenal. I have to say
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: this was- It was the juiciest season of all seasons.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: It was really, really good. And it was my first
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: season on the show. I met Shannon. I was at
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: the moment where she and David were at marriage bootcamp.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: And they did the- Funeral. Sort of the funeral. And
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: they were reading the eulogies and I was dying. Were
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: you like crying inside of your mouth or what? I'm like,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: this is the best job ever. Like I have arrived, right?
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Because it was my first season. And I had just
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: come off of season five of Beverly Hills and it
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: rotated because the production company does both.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh my God, my life is
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: so great right now. And I remember Shannon going outside
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: and she was with David in the car and she
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: was like, you know what? We have the IFBs and
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: we can hear it. She goes, I love Thomas. He's
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: my favorite. And there was a walkie in the car
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: and I was like, copy that Shannon. Thank you. And
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: she died because she didn't know I could hear her.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And she just like erupted.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: She's like, ah!
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: You know, that crazy, like fun Shannon. And that was
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: the beginning of a long relationship there and watching her.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: But I have to say, okay, so back to your,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: your point. About the cancer stuff. This is the thing
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: it was happening And then everyone was rolling their eyes
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: on our end and production a lot of producers are
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: like what what's happening? Is this real? This is gross.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: So they believe that he did have cancer.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: No, we didn't we didn't we thought that the the
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: speculation was gross Oh, like why we like at first
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: right because I think a lot of viewers did yeah
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: as you're watching it unfold But we we literally were
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: at a point where some people on the team were
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: saying we need to move away from this This is
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: gross This is not good, but our job is to
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: follow what happens on camera. So we stuck with it
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: because the ladies didn't stop. They didn't stop investigating. They
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: didn't stop inquiring and they didn't stop holding Vicki and
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Brooks accountable. And it ended up, what season of Housewives
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: have you ever seen where there's one storyline that is
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: that riveting that makes like one of the best seasons ever?
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Not many.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: I think that might be the only one. I mean,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think that there's, Yeah. That there's
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: literally just an A story. There isn't a B, a
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: C or D.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: And you just couldn't get enough of it. And then
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the printout from Hogue and they're looking at, Tamara's looking
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: at the type and she's like, this looks like it's
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: edited here. There was stuff that was mind blowing. So
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: we were along for the ride too. That's the same
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: thing as the Nicole James thing. We're just here documenting this.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: You guys are doing this, not us. We have nothing
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: to do with it. And This is riveting. So we're
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: just going to keep following it. Does anybody else want
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: to talk about this? Okay, let's get the cameras over here.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Go.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: What do you have for us now? It was so incredible.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: And did Brooks ever try to come after you guys?
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Like you ruined my life.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, look, people always, they send
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: their lawyers with their letters and their threats all the
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: time in this business. And the thing is, is, you know,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: like we do, we sign NDAs. And they sign an
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: appearance release and it's a legal document and we're allowed
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: to do what we want to do. You know, the
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: hard thing is, is when somebody is no longer on
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: the show, like, you know, if like, you know, there's
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: a marriage split or something and the, and the ex
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to sign for the kids. That's where it
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: gets really hard. And you know, and the housewife's like, please.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: And they're like, I hate you. I don't want to
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: be a part of your world anymore.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I was fine with our kid being
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: on it before, but now because I know it's important
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Hell no, because now I have leverage.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I always, I always feel bad for
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: those housewives, like a, like Brandy.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine if we had access to Brandy's personal life?
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Because I know Brandy as a mom and a boy
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: mom and stuff. And I relate to that.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: What a side we would have seen from her because
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: she was always so big. But to see a softer side,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: to see the motherly side.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: She said that. She always said that she was bummed
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: because she is the mom that's making the tacos for
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: the kids and joking with them. And I have a
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: similar relationship with my son. So I'm like, God, if
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: that was never shown, then of course people are like,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: They'd be like, that drunk Heather always out doing standup,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: drinking with her friends. Well, that's all you can show
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: in my life.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: That's all you see of me. Yeah.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: That's all you can see of my life.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Like that's not, yeah. So I, but I understand why.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: And that was a hard thing for Noella too. Yeah.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Anybody that you're dealing with in that situation. It's like,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: cause as producers, you want to see all the different
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: sides of them.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Not just one, but that was hard with Brandy, especially.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: When are her kids turning 18? Because- Maybe she's back
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: in the mix.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: I think the older one must be 18 because they're
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: very close to my kid's age.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Let's see what happens.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: You think she might be back in the mix?
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying like when
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: you don't have to rely on the ex.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: So you worked on, okay, so then you worked on
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. Yep.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Five, six, and seven. I was the co-executive.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Producer on that show. And that was Amsterdam. Oh. Oh,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Brandy's kids are 19 and 15.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: 19 and 15. Okay. So if the other one, a
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: couple years.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I did see the 19 year old for a second
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: as she's packing to go to Dorinda's. So if she
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: was to come back on the show, I don't know
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: if the, I don't, I think the kid goes to college,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: but I don't think he goes to, I think he's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: in California.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Do you think that her appearance on the ultimate girl's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: trip is a good calling card to maybe getting back in?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're using these little spinoffs as
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: a tester. That's why I think there's a lot of
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: rumblings about Tamra coming back to the OC.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Because, you know, I haven't seen it yet, but you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: can tell me she's probably great on it. She does
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: her job. Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: No, she's good.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: She's funny. And the trips are the best. Anyway, it's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: a brilliant concept.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: It really is. And then, yeah, with that one, Dorinda
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: is really horrible. Definitely has an alcohol problem. It's very obvious.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: And at one point, Brandy goes, I'm telling you, what
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: I kind of like is they can break the fourth wall.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: They're talking about being ex-housewives.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have to, right?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: And she goes, Dorinda, I'm telling you, you're being really messy.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: And if you think you're ever going to get ass back,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: you're not if you continue to drink every night and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: be a bitch. She basically said that. It's interesting. She goes,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: because I've been there and it didn't work in my favor.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm telling you. And then, of course, Dorinda's like...
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: drink that much when I don't have people at this
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: I'm really kind of an anti-social person alright we get
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: it but like yeah I mean I hope she comes
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: back and part of her journey you know should be
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: let people address that you know because clearly yes I
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: don't think she's an alcoholic but does she have a
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: drinking problem yes yeah you know 12 drinks in a
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: day is a drinking problem like saying weird mean things
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: is a problem it doesn't mean you can never drink
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: again but you gotta admit like I've had one too
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: many nights in my 57 years that are not um
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: something I'm proud of. And she even said, I had
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: the morning after, uh, paranoia and, and, and anxiety after drinking.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, that's a telltale sign of some
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: things going on.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Like it's an issue. I'm not saying it's, you know,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: full blown rehab, but it's an issue.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: And, but that's what we also like to see, you know,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: we do.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: We want to see how they, they cope, how they
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: manage and you want to root for them. You want
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: them to do well. You want them to be able
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: to have a few drinks and not go too far.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Dow, do you think Kim will ever come back on
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: I love her. Uh, she, you know, no, but I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: think the brilliant thing about her role is coming in
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: and out or, you know, dipping in and out, like
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: as making some appearances. I love her in that, that role.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: We're, what was more horrifying? Um, the fact that she
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: was dating that guy that she met down in her mailbox,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: that she thought she was pregnant or that she accused, uh, um,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Kyle is stealing her house. I mean, they were all
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: like amazing moments.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: She just delivers amazing moment after the other. And if
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I could tell you the things that happened behind the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: scenes with her, she is a riot. She is hilarious.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: People always show that clip of her making the chicken
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: salad with her hands while her daughter's getting her makeup
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: done for like the prom or something.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: She's truly original. She's truly unique.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like, what we love about those is that
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: they have this history.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: You can't shake that.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: And a Beverly Hills history, a child star history, a
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: single mom history, several husband history. Like, it's so juicy.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: It's a 12-layer juicy cake. Kyle, Kim, and Kathy are just,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: they're gold. And it is fascinating. You're right, because it
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: goes deep. It's so layered. And there's way more than
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: we'll ever see. And we're getting enough. To wet the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: palette on the show.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: I had someone send me many years ago. It was
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: on YouTube. It's gone now. Kim, Kyle, and Kathy did
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: their own sizzle reel for their own reality show. Were
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: you ever privy to this?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I'd love to see that.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: No. I actually was like, someone needs to tell Kyle
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: to get this removed. It was so... They're at Kathy's house,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I think. And they're making lunch and they're going to
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: go down around Beverly Hills and give lunches to homeless
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: people and ask them if they would like to get
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: a manicure and pedicure.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Oh my God. Is it super actor-y?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: They probably scripted it out. No, it was just uncomfortable.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: It was weird.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: And Kim is like, what would you like to do?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Would you like to learn about computers?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, you sound like her.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: That's really good. And it was like 15 years ago
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, this woman is clearly, you know, mentally off. She's,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: and then, you know, and then I'm like, wait, you're
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: taking these people off the street to the pedicure place.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Like maybe the pedicure place, they're going to be like, wait,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: hold on a minute. Like, you know, like it was so.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Are they aware that you're doing this?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: The cameraman who's filming it is like a heavy breather.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, you can hear him breathing. You're like, is that
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: a stylistic choice for this presentation?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills. that's what I want. And I was like,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, this is amazing. Um, but what do
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: you think that the scene of Lisa Rinna breaking the glass,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: what were you guys thinking? That was all about when
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Kim said, let's talk about the husband.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: We had just arrived in Amsterdam. That was our first
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: day filming. So we were settling in because you know,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: we usually, these trips are typically three to four days, five,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: if we're lucky. Um, they're getting smaller and smaller each
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: year because they want more and more and more. Um, anyway,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: but we had just arrived. We were settling in. We
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: have our video village where the monitors are and we're
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: all watching the producers or, you know, to chatting and seeing,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: watching what's going on. And when she did that and
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Eileen was like, um, beast, right?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: The beast.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: No, she said something like now, wait a minute or something.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: She's like, I've had enough of you, you beast. And
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: then Eileen goes, beast, beast.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: How dare you?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was so epic. And I love Eileen.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Her reaction is just so good. That was one of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: the most iconic moments, I think, in Housewife history. We literally,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: and then Kyle gets up and runs down the street.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: It was so dramatic. We're laughing. I mean, it's terrible. But,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like we're watching a movie. We're watching
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: TV right there. But we have to be in the moment.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: We have to, like, continue producing them, right? So we're, like,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: laughing and pulling our shit together as producers. And we're like,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: I looked at my producer colleague, and I was like,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: we got it. I'm like, we can pack up and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: go home now. Like we've got it. The trip is
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: in the can and it just kept going. And it
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: was so brilliant.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Well, now what do you, why do you think she
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: was so compelled to why that was so such a
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: trigger to Lisa? People have so many theories of when
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: she'll let's talk about the husband. The one was he's gay. Um,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: I never believed that too. I introduced Lisa.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: There's no reason to believe it, right?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's because he did a movie 20 years
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: ago that was very controversial at the time.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: What a great actor.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Where he played a gay man, which that's acting. Yeah.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: It's called acting.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good for him. And he's willing to do it
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: and be an A-list actor to do that at that time.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: He's a trailblazer.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: I want to say it was like 30 years ago.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: It was so long ago.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: And it was a very like, Ooh, like, Oh my God,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: this guy's married, but he realized he's going to go
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: forward with his feelings for this man.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: So juicy. And then, so I'm like, is that what
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: she's talking about? Then I thought Brandy just put it in,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: no offense, but dum-dum Kim's ear.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a thing, right?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if that was it. Then there's a
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: rumor that he had an affair with this actress who
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: accused him of physically assaulting her. There's that rumor out there.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Just a rumor.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Or she just said it because she was just.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Trying to irritate her.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: And then- And then Lisa being a soap star her
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: whole life who probably has broken fake glasses.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: We should see the footage. She probably has, you know, like, yeah,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: you know, um, if you, she knew exactly what she.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Was doing, TV sets, bottles, you know, you always see
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: like an old Western, a bottle breaks on your head.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Now imagine if you really.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Took a real glass and hit it on someone's head,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't break.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: So I think she's break their head probably.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: And then the glass goes and it's like dramatic, but
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: She was triggered. She was triggered because this is the thing, right?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: And this is what we always tell, tell everyone. If
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: don't engage, if someone's trying to get your, is it
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: to get your goad, right? If someone's trying to get
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: your goad, don't let it, don't fall for it. Because
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: if you do, then people are going to think that
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: there's some validity to whatever accusation they're making. Why would
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: you respond like that?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Isn't there also in your brain?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: But she's tough.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Also, yes, react because it's going to make great TV.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: And that's what everybody wants. The people at home.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: She has a natural instinct for that, doesn't she?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: She's very good at that. And I think that she's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: willing to respond in a big way.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Because that's who she's become as who she is as
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: a person. Yeah. And yes. And she's not afraid to
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: do it when the cameras are there. So yeah, I
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: think it's a combination of all that. But I don't know.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: It's it's just like phenomenal when you see that you're like,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: what just happened?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: And then you also worked on.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Dallas, Dallas season three. Oh, that was fun. I love
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: those gals.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: So we had Leanne Brandy, Deandra Cameron. What was going
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: on in that season?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: That was Thailand. No, no, we went to, um, Denmark.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: We went to Copenhagen and they all dressed up and, uh, yeah.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Got naked in that thing.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Got naked.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Why do you think Dallas just didn't really make it?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I really thought that season, I enjoyed it
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: so much. And I thought this is such a dynamic
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: group of women. It's interesting. They're Southern, you know, they're, uh, eclectic.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: I think that, well, it got a little, it got
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: a little, it started going in the sort of like,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: you know, the, um, the tough waters of like racism
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: and not being open-minded and, I think that these are
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: natural growing pains for like where we are as a society.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: You know, I think it happened on New York.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's happening on other franchises.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: And I said, you know, everybody at that.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Kelly Dodd season last season 15. Yeah. Um, we didn't
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: shy away from black lives matter because Brahman was engaged
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: and I was like, and they were like, can we
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: talk about this? I'm like, yes, you can. Is this
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: part of your world? Is this your reality? Then we
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: need to talk about it.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I, I was saying, you know, people like, Oh,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see this. I'm like, Well, six
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: months ago when they were filming it, you were talking
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: about this with your girlfriends at lunch. We all were.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: That's what was happening.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: It's a reflection of our culture, and I think we
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: need to keep that going. I think there's growing pains
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: right now with all the Housewives franchises because of that,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: because we are also going into a new realm.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: There's some dog that wandered in her backyard, but it's
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: not mine.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: See?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: It's not mine.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: They want to see me too.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: But anyway.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: Cutie.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a part of the evolution and
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's unfortunate. I'm sorry to see that. I
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: thought it was wonderful to be able to be in
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: the sort of Dallas, you know, inner society.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder if our society hadn't gone through that, if
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: they could have survived just being their like wacky Dallas selves.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. And I think, but I think, you know,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's healthy. I think sometimes there's like, you know,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: sacrifices that have to be made to get to the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: next level. It might come back. Who knows, you know,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: with a different cast in a couple of years.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Do you think Salt Lake would be as successful without
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: Mary Crosby and Jen Shah?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: I think that this is the thing. When things like
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: that come out on these shows, it's funny because we
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: as producers and networks, I'm sure are like, this is
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: not good. This isn't good. You know, this isn't our brand.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: This isn't where we want to go with this, but
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: the ratings are through the roof. So it's this like,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: do we continue down this path? I mean, look at
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Erica Jane. That's controversial. Like, are they, you know, did
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: they do what is being alleged on the show or not?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's controversial and it's not necessarily what you
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: want to be focusing all your time on, but viewers
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: are eating it up and the ratings are big. So
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: it's a, it's a balance, you know, like I, it's
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: hard to say because Beverly Hills, if that hadn't happened
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: with Erica Jane, was it last season?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Where would it be?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Because remember Lisa Vanderpump was, had exited and she was
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: a huge mainstay and a huge fan favorite. Um, someone
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: who probably wields a lot of power, right. And influence.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: And everyone was like, is this show going to survive
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: without Lisa Vanderpump? And look what happened.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: That was the one, that was a season that I
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: can only remember. It was the puppy gate.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Puppy gate. Yeah.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Who, who was guilty of what with the Lucy
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: goosey apple juicy, whatever her name was. Um, Yeah. And
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Lisa Vanderpump, anytime I would see her, she'd be like,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, they got so toys to rate her online.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on. Like she will never.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: That's a good one too.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: She will never.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: And that was another one where I was like, but
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: I always said, you know, the fact that she didn't
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: go to the reunion and gave up $ 250, 000 makes me wonder.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: It does make you wonder.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: It makes you wonder, like, really? What is someone going
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: to whip out that you cannot deny? Right. So whether
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: it was she did it or hinted for someone else
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: to do it, there's more to the, you know.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: There's more to the story, the narrative. I think when
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: somebody's ego gets the best of them and they're not
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: willing to admit something and they just cut it off
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: completely because they can do that in their real lives.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: That's dangerous on reality TV because then you do look guilty.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Then you do if you shut down or you don't
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: address something or you walk away or you refuse to participate.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: You don't have a voice. So everyone else is going
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: to speak for you. That's not a smart move usually.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: You want to show up and take the heat and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: address it and defend yourself because you have a better
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: chance of winning and surviving than being absent.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: But I think being the queen bee and everything and
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: knowing that like I have these other shows and everything.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: I I'd rather walk away than, I don't know, be caught.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: In a lie or continue or whatever. Well, she has
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: other options.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, exactly.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: And then you also worked on Potomac.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I did. I love Potomac season three and four. It was, um, uh,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: the show was really emerging as a viable franchise. I mean,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: it always was from the beginning, but I think it
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: was growing in popularity. People like Potomac, never heard of it.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: And now it's like, All people can talk about it.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: So you were able to do Potomac and OC because.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I was able to, yes. Well, I did miss one
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: season of OC. I did miss season 13.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: But I went from Potomac season three to Dallas season
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: three to Potomac season four and then to Orange County
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: season 14. And then I've been on it since season 14.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: So I inherited OC as the showrunner when Vicky became
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: a friend. I'm like, really? You're going to give me
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: the season when the OG of all the franchises is
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: getting demoted to a friend? I mean, come on, she's iconic.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: This is not a tough ask, right? Right. And then
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: I had COVID. And then, I mean, you know the story.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you go through COVID, you go through the social
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: injustice time of our society and people talking about it.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: And then you get people that are like, I don't
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: want to hear any politics. I just want to see
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: the girls get drunk and have fun. These people are
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: old and racist. Let's get some new people. I hate
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: the new people. I mean, it's a hard, like, I'm
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: imagining Bravo being like, what the hell are we supposed
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: to do? And one of their solutions is New York.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: We're going to have the OGs, the women like over 50.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: It's interesting, isn't it? And we're going to have, maybe
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: find some new young moms.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Capitalize on it.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Smart.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: So now they have two.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Find some new youngies that are going to give us
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: 15 years. Yeah. I mean, just like any business, you
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: might get rid of the CEO making 2 million and
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: keep the 35-year-olds that are making, you know, whatever, 100,000.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of that too. And so, and
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: then I wonder if by letting them go saying goodbye
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: and then you bring them back, do you not have
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: to pay them that one too anymore?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: I think you do. I think, I think you do
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: because they are, they've earned it.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I want them to just come back. Right. Yeah.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: But I'm just wondering, is.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: It worth it? Because you know, I think you're, I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right. I think you're, it's okay. I
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: think you're right about the branding and the idea of
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: like marketing and moving forward, stepping away, sends a message. Yeah.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: And then people forget what that message was. And then
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: you bring them back. Like a Tamra, for example. People
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: were sniffing, they were sniffing like, you know, oh, is
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: she just a shit stirrer, they call her, right? Is
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: she just shit stirring just for the sake of the cameras?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, when has she not? And that's
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: why you love her, right? Remember for 13, 14 years,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: whatever she's been on?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: That's why you love her. But because it's been run
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: out so many times, played out so many times over
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: the years, maybe it's time to just step away for
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: a minute. That's why I think she would be a
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: viable person to come back because she is, she knows
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: she's fun. She's good. She knows what she's doing. She
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: knows this game.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Have you ever, and you don't have to be specific.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: So you have those meanings coming back and people are
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: aware that you do this and you're like, okay, so
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: I'm a housewife. Okay. Just pretend. And you're like, Heather,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: we're going to start filming in two weeks or whatever.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: So like, ask me like, what do I have going
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: on in my storylines? Yeah. So I have, and what
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: if someone has nothing?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: So just tell me.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. That's interesting.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: And I've been in that seat before.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: So nothing really is going on. Oh, oh, you have
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: a business you want to promote or this or that? Okay.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: So let's say that's the worst.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Let's say it was my year. Okay. Heather, like what's,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: what's new going on with you?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: I'm still doing the podcast.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Still putting it on YouTube.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. Fantastic.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Um, son's already, we already went through the college thing
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: So he's already there. Okay.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: So there's nothing there.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: The other one, we haven't started the college process.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: So there's nothing there too.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Got it. My daughter's already been out of school for
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: a few years, so she's still doing the same thing,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: finding herself.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And your relationship with your husband is perfect, right?
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: It's not perfect. It's the same. Okay.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: Same. Same as it's always been. Got it. Nothing new.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You'll have your fun bicker moments, but then it's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: over pretty quickly.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Okay. But he won't bicker on camera, I'm sure. Probably not.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Why would he? Yeah, because he'll look bad.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: And if we go to the parties, he's not going
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: to engage. He's going to have a cigar in the
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: corner with the other dad. Right.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Talk to the trees.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Got it. Sounds riveting so far. What else do you
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: have going on?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: We're going to redo a countertop in my bathroom.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's always good. I love a reno.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: We're not. We're just doing the countertops.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Well, that could be a little beat.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Actually, it's going to be done in about a week.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: It'll be great in a round robin. But I don't
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: know if we have a scene, but A Round Robin's perfect.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: What's A Round Robin?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: You know when we go from one act to the next,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: it's like you see segments of each of the housewives,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: and then you land at a moment? That's called A
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Round Robin.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So both my elderly parents, they died a
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: few years ago, so they're not coming back.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Okay. Do you ever go visit them? I mean, that
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: might be a little dark.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: No, they're urns, and we put them in a place
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: all the way in Riverside.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not too sexy, right?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: There. No. And then, yeah.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Are you going to get any procedures done? This is
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: a good question to ask a new housewife. You don't
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: need it. Don't, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: If I can get it for free, I think I
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: might wait two more years for a lower facelift, but like.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Two years, maybe they could do it now.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: But if it means I'm going to get, sure. If
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: it means I'm going to get fired, we could do that.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: I also just, um, I had, I did fall on
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: my head, but that's, that was kind of last season
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: and I took a million tests and I don't have
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: anything wrong with me.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: Nothing.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: So you're, you're, you're good. You're pretty normal. That's good.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Things are going well.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah. So now what do you do with that?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: What the hell do you do with that? Can you
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: break a leg?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Can I make one?
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Do you have a limp that turns into something else?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Do you think anybody has, and this is a little controversial,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: but do you think anyone in a desperate situation might
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: ask their child to come out even though they're not?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Or play with it?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: That would be so horrible. I think it's happened.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: If that's the case.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's possibly has happened. I'm not going to
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: say with who. But I think it's happened, you know, with,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest. Okay.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, tell me.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say this. I think the Bronwyn son
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: doing drag seemed a little forced.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Okay. Because the kid has never done it. Like, I've
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: never seen anything where they're going consecutively to see him
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: perform since she's been off the show.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I think, well, we know what, it's clear what her
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: family and their identities are, right?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: So I think that, I don't know the answer to that,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: but I would say that when you are, have an
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: opportunity to be on a television show and you know
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: it has to be entertaining and you want to take
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: it somewhere, you might come up with some ideas that
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: maybe you wouldn't if there weren't cameras around. That's all
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say. Like you might want to, like
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: you were just giving me your rundown of what's going
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: on in your life. If I say, well, look, let's,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: let's jazz it up. Like, do you have any other ideas?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Do you have any, I say, do you want to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: take salsa dancing? Is that something that you want to
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: do to reignite your relationship with your husband?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to stay on the house wise. So I'm
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: going to come up with some stuff.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Um, okay. Yeah. So, uh, Peter and I have always, uh,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: Talked about how weird we think swingers are, but now
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: we're going to try.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know what? I thought you were going
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: to say we're going to do tantric sex. I swear
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: to God. I'm like, now you're talking. Now we're cooking
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: with gas.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, like a swing? Okay, we'll get a swing.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Whatever. That would be so embarrassing. That I don't think
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: I can do.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. But this is what I would say too. Don't
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: want you to do anything that's not in your comfort zone.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: So we need to stay rooted in reality in your
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: comfort zone here. So what else?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: Reorganize my closet. Get rid of some clothes. Right.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: You could donate to another housewife. That's smart.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Help another housewife prepare stuff.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, you donate your clothes, give it to another
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: housewife who's in need.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: And then, yes, exactly. I'm really generous.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: But we have to do something that hasn't been done before.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Sorry to burst your bubble.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: See, this is where I do kind of feel badly
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: when I'm even bored with someone's life. When I see
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: fans go, they have no storyline. I'm like, Have you
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: had an exciting storyline.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Every year of your life? I love you for saying that.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Have you had a mother going through Alzheimer's? You might
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: have breast cancer and your son got a DUI.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you just committed tax fraud and you're going
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: to jail.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Like, did you hit a jackpot of tragedy? Yeah. If
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: you didn't hit a jackpot of tragedy, what are we
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: going to do?
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, seriously. And that's how some of these housewives feel.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: It's like, what the fuck more do you want from me?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: It's like, Jesus. I mean, some of them lay it
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: all out, you know? And then you're.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm finally having a good year.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: My kids are doing fine.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: I'm in a normal relationship.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: And you could defend some of these women, like Bronwyn
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: you brought up, for example. You know, you don't have
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: to be a fan of hers. You don't have to
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: like her one way or the other.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: But I.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Admire her for opening up about her alcoholism and her
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: sexuality when people were saying she was making that shit
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: up about her sexuality. Have you seen her lately?
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: And her alcoholism.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: And her alcoholism too. But when she opened up, and
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: this is where it's like, it's tricky, right? Because my
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: job is to go, like I'm following. Like, and if
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: it's good, if it's juicy, we're going to go there.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: And this is, she, I commend her for opening up
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: because she did that in front of all of us
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: with crews everywhere.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I think she opened up and I think, but to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: the audience. And I believe it was real.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Yes. But the audience was like, oh.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: And the sexuality was real. They sometimes go hand in hand.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Why are you being destructive? It's because you're not facing
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: who you really are. But to the audience, it felt
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: like she had studied the show and decided, I'm going
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: to blow it out.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Because they had established that she was a fan of
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: the show. Yeah.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: I'm going to blow it out with not just one storyline,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: but three and a half. Yeah.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: And during COVID. Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: And to be fair on that point, I'd like to
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: tell everyone we were shut down for many, many, many weeks.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: It was a truncated season. I think we and the
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: team created miracles with that season, like it or not.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: And we can't put a disclaimer on there. Oh, by
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: the way, we were shut down for months. And we
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: still managed to have 14 episodes in like literally nine
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: weeks of filming. That's unprecedented. So we had the women
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: film self film with their phones and we created, it
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: may not have been your favorite episode, but some people
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: called me and was like, that was really interesting. And
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: that was like my favorite season. Wasn't everyone's favorite season,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: but you're not going to win it with all of them.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: And they shot their own footage and we put a
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: whole episode together. Not one producer stood on set. We
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: were all isolated. So to be fair, Bronwyn's story was
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: not flushed out the way it was very minimal. So
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: it felt rushed. It felt compact, but this did happen
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: over a larger course of time. And I think to
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: be fair, that season would have been phenomenal. And I
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: think Elizabeth Vargas would have had more of a chance
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: if we had more time.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: I'm friendly with Elizabeth.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: She's so nice.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: She was disappointed not to be asked back. And she
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: was like, come on, I got the shittiest season. I'm like,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: it's COVID time. We can't go on a trip. And then.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: We couldn't talk a lot about her husband, too, because
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: she's going through a brutal divorce.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: And I like her, but I can see why they
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: decided there wasn't really an avenue to go. I think
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: it's hard when someone isn't married and doesn't have kids.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent. It's always risky. And we talk about that.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: We're like, is there something here? But I, you know,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: you hope there is.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, I know Carol Radswell. And I said,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: the best thing about you, Carol, is that you got
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: to do the show and you didn't destroy any relationships.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Your kids don't hate you because you don't have kids.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: You didn't divorce your husband because you were a widow.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: You weren't married. You were still really fun and interesting.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, that also might've been the
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: reason why, They felt it had run its course. Yeah.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Because where are you going to go?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: And that's another thing with some of these other housewives.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you've seen it and they've been
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: on a long time. It's like, where do you go
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: with them now? You asked me this earlier. It's like, well,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: where do you go? Where do you go with someone
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: who's been on for 13 years, 12, 10, 7?
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: Now, were you the one that had to call Tamara
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: and tell her?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: She talks about that moment a lot. She shared that. No.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: I called Bronwyn and told her. But the big dogs
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: called Tamara.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think because it was just a different, I
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: don't know, a different scenario. Yeah.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: Now, how do you tell?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: They may have a long-term relationship.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, now tell me because now I've been on for
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: six years.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: And the last two years, I've just continued to do
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: my podcast, which you show one second of. Yeah.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: There's only so much podcasting we can do. Yeah. That
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: keeps people's interest.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: And Peter and I have gone to Costco numerous times
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: and made jokes about that. And it feels played out.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: People are done with my teenage boys. So just tell me. Ding-a-ling-a-ling. Hi,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: how are you?
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: I'm good, Heather. How are you?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, so good. I'm just folding some laundry.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: We could do that next season. Talk about it. We're
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: going to get a new washer and dryer.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Do you have a new method to folding? Is it
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: like triangular or square now?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Um, I watched that lady, but, um, yeah, you know, the,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: the cute girl Komoki or I don't know. Anyway, I couldn't,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: I couldn't figure it out, but yeah, but I'm so excited.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Do you think there's a deeper rooted issue here with
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: you for like why you can't figure out how you're folding?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe we should explore that. Well, I'm just, maybe this
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: isn't the right conversation where we're going with it.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: We could, yeah. I mean, that's what I'm so excited
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: to start filming. Cause I, I'm going to go on
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: an organizational journey. Cause I just watched that girl's series
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: on Netflix. And I just think it would be so
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: fun for the people, the Bravo sphere to see me
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: like redo, uh, my pantry you know what i mean
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: like like chloe does like chloe kardashian.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah i know i love your pantry they want to.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: See heather mcdonald just like color coordinate the though i
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: do think i'd buy a lot of food we wouldn't
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: eat but i will totally do.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: That i know you're very particular about your food and
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: um well i heather i wish i just want to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: jump into it i just want.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: To get to the point and i'm Are we meeting
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: at Nobu for to film?
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Nobu may not be the best place
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: to meet for anything.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: No, I mean to film.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: I just want to know. No, they won't let us
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: film anymore after what happened last season. It was a
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: bad reflection on them. No, I'm just kidding. I think
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: we're in good standing with Nobu. They actually loved us.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: They were great. No, but I just, I have to
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: tell you, this is really classic, right? I'm just going
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: to tell you. So Bravo's deciding to go in a
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: different direction.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: A direction.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Direction. They're casting right now and they're still figuring it out,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: but they're deciding to sort of depart from you. Why?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I mean.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: This is really awkward and.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Hard to tell you. I mean, is there something I
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: could do? Could I get?
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: A breast reduction? Oh, God.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: This is so hard.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: What about vaginal rejuvenation? And then Peter tells it if
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: it worked or not, if he feels a different vagina.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe, look, maybe if you take a step away
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: and get your vaginal rejuvenation and some other things and
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: we keep the conversation open.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Should I self-film the vaginal rejuvenation video?
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you feel comfortable with that.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if it gets me back on the show, they
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: can see my vag and my smaller vag.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Like before and after, stuff is always really good. And
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: maybe keep that together and then we can have this
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: conversation down the road. I really want you to keep
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: your relationship intact.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: So when people ask me what happened, like, How do
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: I write that on Instagram? Do I say I'm put
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: on pause like Dorinda? Do I say I want to
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: spend more time with my kids?
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: I think you should. I think you should.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: I think spending more time with my kids is great.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Spend more time with your kids. Graciously bow out. Keep
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: the relationship open. Don't burn any bridges.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: You never know where this could go. We could come
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: back and rearrange your pantry and see your vaginal rejuvenation.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Okay. So I quickly wrote up what I'm going to
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: put on Instagram.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: It's a photo of me holding the orange. After six
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: years of the greatest time, memories... Ups and downs, tears
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: and laughs. I've decided to take this time with Bravo's
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: blessing to spend more time with my kids, organize my pantry,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: work on myself, my inner self. And by inner, I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: mean my vaginal walls. Please follow my journey on TikTok
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: as I seek a tighter vagina and a happier marriage.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: And don't forget to thank your producers.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: And I'd like to thank all the producers, everybody at Bravo,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: and especially Andy, his two kids. I will continue to
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: give gifts. I have their birthdays in my phone as alert,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: all three of them. I promise I will be one
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: of the 65 housewives that wish everyone a happy birthday
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: before anybody else. So keep me in mind.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: And you're going to want to hang out with them too,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: like while you're stepping away for photo opportunities.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: And I don't know why I haven't been called for BravoCon,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: but I already bought a ticket. So I'm going to
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: be just walking outside and you can probably get a
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: photo with me.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm not going to thank my executive producer, just
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: my hair and makeup people.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Right. Does that happen to you in that Bugs?
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: All the time.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: And my glam squad.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: I get jealous.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: My glam squad.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: Because I'm a thirsty producer.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: My club's called Raul and Maricel, thank you. And yeah, exactly.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: It's always that. It's always, oh my God. And you're like, what?
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: Well, because they make the best selfies. That's what it is.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: I've got it down. I've had so many photos taken.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: The cast has taken so many photos with me, but
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: they're like a little orange looking or something like that.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: And I always look great. And they're like, no, we're
• 1:31:27
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  Speaker 1: I think, I think like just what I love sharing
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: from a producer's perspective is because people don't, we don't
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: get to share as much as the people who are
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: on camera.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate you doing that.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. And this is fun. You're just fun to
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: hang out with. I think that, you know, I'm going
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: to tell people who are on these shows, you know,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: respect your producers. work with them, collaborate. Hopefully they're good
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: at what they do and they're there for a reason
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: and be kind. This is, we're making television because this
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: is fun and we're out there together to be inspired
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: and to share with the world. So let's collaborate. I
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: think the industry has gotten a little, you know, it's
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: gotten a little messy. Yeah. We need to get back to,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: we're here to entertain people and we're here to work
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: together and respect one another. And you know, you've been
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: in the business forever and there's some shit that goes
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: on that is just not okay.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: People need to respect each other, be respectful. And know
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: that we're working our asses off so we all can
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: be successful together. Right.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: And I think some of these women, all of a sudden,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: they never were even in high school play. And now
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: they're the star of a show in 122 countries. That's
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: a lot. And they sometimes don't act professionally because they're
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: not a professional. Versus Elisa Renner or Kyle have been
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: working since Kyle was like four. So yeah, Kyle is
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: on time. Kyle does deliver.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Kyle's a professional.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Elisa Renner is too. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, when I'm interviewed- Not everyone does. When I've
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: interviewed housewives, I do like the professionals because they're the
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: ones that come alone. They're on time. The Denise Richards,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: all of them were just so easy. And the other
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: girls were too, but then there'd be some who were
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: like back and forth, flake that morning, this or that.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, forget it. You know, whatever. But yes,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: The people that- say negative things to producers and are like,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: I hope you vomit in your sleep and die tonight.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Or they say that someone has said that off camera
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: to producers before, or, or people, you know, I've been,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I've, you know, there's been physical things like,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: you know, that some people have said, Oh, I'm sorry.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to do that out of frustration or whatever,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: but this needs to be a professional environment where people
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: are respecting each other and coming together in the same
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: cause of making great TV. We don't have to get
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: dirty with each other. But then there's the other side
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: where it's like beautiful and there's like these families, they
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: want to feed us and they want to welcome us
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: into their homes and they're so gracious, you know?
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: It's like we all just need to remember that we're
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: here trying to elevate each other, you know? And I
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: think that goes for all the shows that I've worked
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: on and everywhere else too.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, I just wanted to share that. I love that.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Just put it out into the universe because we're all
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: working hard to be successful. And I think we can
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: lift each other up.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: And I love these shows. I never want to see
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: them go away. I don't. They're so entertaining and I
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: get invested and I love talking about them and all
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: of that. I love interviewing all the people, including now
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: the behind the scenes.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: We can keep making you laugh.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Because that's a big part of it.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: You've been such a delight. Tell us like, what can
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: you share that now you're working on going forward? Any
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: shows coming up or anything you.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: Can hint at? You know, for sure. I, um, you know,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: it was hard leaving OC. It was hard. It was,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie. That's like been my family.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Not only that, but it's literally a family. I know the,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: I've seen people's kids grow up on that show. Like literally, right.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: I know Shannon's kids from way back. And They, we
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: have a relationship, you know, my God, the blue beat,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: the best. I wanted to do a music video of
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: that too. I think maybe I should go into music videos.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: I'm available.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: Girls are great.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: They're so great. So great. Um, I, you know, once
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: the sting subsided and I was thinking, I saw a
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: whole new world of opportunity and I haven't been out
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: interviewing in so long. I had two job interviews and Um,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: one was, uh, it was discovery plus I think it's called,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: and then, um, a Netflix show and I got offered
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: both jobs right out of the gate. So I'm proud. No, no,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: they conflicted. So I chose to do this presentation with
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Netflix and I've done a presentation in a long time
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: and it was a lot of fun because it's like
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: creating a whole new series.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: And you have to package it up and, you know,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: make like a sizzle reel, a 20 minute presentation, uh,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: waiting to hear back from, um, them. It's like a
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: real estate. themed thing in the big apple.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, the big apple.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Really, really good. Really excited about it. Hope I'm still
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: around to do that.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: Did you work on the Tampa selling Sunday?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: I did selling Tampa. I did selling Tampa.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: Now, a lot of people like that. I did not
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: see that, but then wasn't there another Tampa show about
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: lesbians or was it lesbian realtors?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: No, they were, it was a show about lesbians in
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Tampa and they were filming at the same time we were,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: and I was hoping we would cross paths because I
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: was dying to meet them.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: Do you think it would have worked if it was
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: just only lesbian?
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Lesbian realtors?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: How about late in life lesbians and late in life realtors?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: All late in life lesbians who just got their real
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: estate license living in Tampa.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Can we do that show together? Because I live for it.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Selling Tampa, the lesbian edition.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: It's good. Yeah. Well, you know, there's a thriving gay
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: community in Tampa. I'd never really been there. I just
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: heard bad things about Tampa. And it's actually really a
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: beautiful place.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: I have a friend who's very... And open. My friend
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: lives in a beautiful Davis Island.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Oh. So she's... I ate at a little Mexican restaurant there.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: And whenever I do the Tampa improv, I would stay
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: with her. So I've had... And my crowds were great.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: So I had a great time in Tampa.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: That's so great.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Selling Tampa was amazing. One of the best casts I've
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: ever worked with. You know, just... It's so beautiful. Lovely,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: lovely women.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: Now, is that not coming back or you don't know?
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I think, yeah, I
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: think they're still deciding on what's going to happen with that.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: I hope it does because I love those gals.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: It was a fun show. It's fun to be a
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: part of something new.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: What if your show goes?
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: And they don't ask Ramona back for the OGs. Could
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: Ramona be a realtor on your show?
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: I would live for that. You know, she could. She
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: could do it. She's got the skill set.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: No, she hasn't license.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, amazing.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: She's actually doing it.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Right. And she has the personality. So it's like, she's.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: With Douglas Allen.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: That's phenomenal.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: I used to be a realtor too.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine she's going to get into that? Well,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: I love that because like New York and realtors, it's
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: like everybody had a different past life.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to just end on Ramona pitching herself to you.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: I'm ready.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: Because she was not, for some weird reason, not asked
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: back on the OGs or whatever it's called. Yeah.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: I want to tell you, I've actually been really always
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: into real estate and styling gorgeous homes.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: And you know what?
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Since I've been doing this, it's like some really hot
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: guys are hitting on me a lot that I could
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: bring on. I could go on some dates. I could
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: show you houses. I could hang out with these younger people.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Because a lot of people think I'm as young as Avery. Okay?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: I'm really not. But I just have such a youthful skin.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: I'm sold. Sold.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: If you need her, she's available.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, I love it. And if not, I'm
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: coming to you.
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  Speaker 2: Fine. I'm ready to do it. Let's do it. I've
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: told ex-housewives, I told Kelly Dodd, I go, get your
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: real estate license. About a year and a half ago.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: I go, get your real estate license.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Why is she not listening to you?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: She is. She is.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Is she going to do her real estate license?
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: She's either took the test or she's about to take
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: the test.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: She's going to be like, buy the fucking house. What
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: are you waiting for, you douchebag?
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: About a year ago, I said, why don't you do that?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: Because this is before the Oppenheimer Group came here and
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: before Mauricio announced his. And I'm like, you know there's
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: going to be a real estate show out here and
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: you could do that. I go, and if nothing else,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: you have this huge Instagram. Someone's going to... get their
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: listing just cause you, you got 800,000 people and the other,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: the next top realtor only has 2000. You know what.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: You think about Kelly Dodge? She's super smart.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: In some ways, not so smart, but she, I could
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: see her doing that.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: She's a good salesperson and she's charming and.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: She's redoing a house. She redid a house in, um,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: I like the pool.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, she has the, the paddle, paddle tennis, the paddle tennis, pickleball, pickleball,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: all the craze.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: No, but it's all good. I loved that you came here.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: This has been a pleasure. We could talk all day.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: My audience is going to, like the Juicy Scoopers, are
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: going to be so enthralled. And I'm excited about all
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: your next adventures. And whether your pause is a forever
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: or you come back like Dorinda, it doesn't matter. We're
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: going to follow all the shows you do.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you for the support.
• 1:40:56
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• 1:40:59
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