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Reuben Davidson: Labour's Spokesperson for technology and media on the under-16's social media ban · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: National's pushing your head. Was well, let's call it what
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  Speaker 1: it is. It's a national idea, a national bill for
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  Speaker 1: a social media band for under sixteens.
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  Speaker 2: We won't get every single child off social media. Some
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  Speaker 2: will always find ways around it, but frankly it's just
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  Speaker 2: way too important not to at least try.
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  Speaker 1: Act New Zealand first are agreed to disagree. Labor is
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  Speaker 1: an open question. They've fired off seventy nine questions before
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  Speaker 1: they'll get back at it and back to them. Ruben
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  Speaker 1: Davidson as a Labor spokesperson for Technology and Media, Reuben, good.
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  Speaker 2: Morning, good morning, right now you doing?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Nice to have you on the show. What
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  Speaker 1: did you think of that yesterday? Was that a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a stunt?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Look, it was certainly an interesting turn of events,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't it. I mean we've been going really hard to
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  Speaker 2: work constructively with the Minister and with National and you know,
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  Speaker 2: three years into this term and kind of three sitting
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  Speaker 2: weeks out from the government wrapping up, they put on
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  Speaker 2: yesterday's event. Ruben.
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  Speaker 1: What I've seen the questions that you have sent to Labor,
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  Speaker 1: and some of them are fear and good questions about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, how do the operators actually make the checks
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  Speaker 1: for people? But the second issue you raise is how
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  Speaker 1: does the bill uphold to titity or white toungy? What
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  Speaker 1: what has this got to do with the tity or
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  Speaker 1: white tungy?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we know that from from our reading of
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  Speaker 2: the bill and from knowing how people are affected by
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  Speaker 2: some of the harms that happen on social media, we
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  Speaker 2: know that what we need is a is a law
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  Speaker 2: that takes some New Zealand specific considerations into account. How
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  Speaker 2: would you do that would be how would you do
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  Speaker 2: What we're seeing is that the bill seemingly hasn't considered
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  Speaker 2: that at all. But how would you want the points
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  Speaker 2: of that?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? But how would you make a treaty specific proposal
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  Speaker 1: or ban? What does it even mean?
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  Speaker 2: Sure? So what you'd do is you would you would
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  Speaker 2: gives consideration to the treaty and how that bill is prepared.
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  Speaker 2: And there's there's a number of other considerations that are
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  Speaker 2: that are unique or specific to the New Zealand context
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  Speaker 2: that that the bill just has hasn't hasn't addressed, which
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  Speaker 2: is but how would a many questions different we had
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  Speaker 2: on the head on the bill.
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  Speaker 1: But how your second one is about the treaty, which
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  Speaker 1: I just thought was interesting. How how would it be different?
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  Speaker 1: Would you ban only like non Maldi children. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think we're talking about that at all.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about is making sure that what we've got
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  Speaker 2: is a bill that is not just lifted from what
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  Speaker 2: some other countries have been doing with you know, some success,
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  Speaker 2: but that will have a bill that is actually designed
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  Speaker 2: to work in the very specific New Zealand content and is.
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  Speaker 1: The so the bill that as you currently read it
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  Speaker 1: is not that you're saying you will not support what
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  Speaker 1: they've put forward. You're going to have to do some
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  Speaker 1: talking after the election, presumably.
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  Speaker 2: So we have a number of questions remaining and we've
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  Speaker 2: requested to see a number of documents. We sent those
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  Speaker 2: requests through end of last week, heard nothing from the minister,
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  Speaker 2: and then received something late last night, you know, hours
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  Speaker 2: after yesterday's big reveal.
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  Speaker 1: Oh what did they say?
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, you know, it was late last night. Still
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  Speaker 2: working through the questions, Please to have answers to some
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  Speaker 2: of the issues we raised. Pleased also to have some
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  Speaker 2: of the additional points that we've raised around things like
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  Speaker 2: tile impact assessments about privacy impacts and then these are
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  Speaker 2: pretty meaty issues. The Minister herself yesterday talked about. You
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  Speaker 2: know that these platforms are designed. They're not designed by accident.
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  Speaker 2: They're designed by some of the smartest people on the planet.
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  Speaker 2: So what we need to make sure that the legislation
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  Speaker 2: is as well.
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  Speaker 1: And that's fair to say. They've given you some documents
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  Speaker 1: last night. It's going to take you, guys a while
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  Speaker 1: to You're not going to have an answer today, are you.
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  Speaker 2: Oli. I don't I don't expect to be able to
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  Speaker 2: keep through all of all of you know what we
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  Speaker 2: got back late last night. All right, on a Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: We'll check back in with the ones you've had a
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  Speaker 1: chance Ruben Davidson from Labor For more.
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  Speaker 2: From Early Edition with Ryan Bridge.
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